Linux in 2024 - Charting its Own Path to Innovation
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- Linux in 2024. The feet on backwards is a quote from a friend of mine on his opinion of Linux, lets find out what he meant, and is Linux really THAT kind of OS?
Oh don't worry I am not predicting this is the year of the Linux Desktop...This is my take on why I use Linux and some of the experiences I have had with other operating systems like MacOS and Windows. In fact my most recent experiences with Windows while working on getting a Linux distro up and running on very new hardware. Some of these tips I know will help you avoid issue and problems that make us lose our tempers and our hair at times. As you will see the problem isn't Linux, as Pogo said "We have met the enemy and they is US".
AI thumbnail is the image I think most of the world has of us, think glasses, a white shirt and high water bell bottoms.
Where you can go to find out release information about the latest Linux kernel: lwn.net/Kernel/
kernelnewbies.org/Linux_6.7
Chapter
00:00 - Intro
00:23 - What do other think of Linux?
03:11 - Reasons to use Linux
08:20 - Moving Linux to a New Machine
09:34 - The Window Activation Dance
13:34 - Linux Device Drivers are Built-in
17:26 - Linux is Hard to Setup
19:28 - RTF Release Notes
19:37 - Linux has a Smaller Footprint
20:30 - WSL
21:10 - Atomic Level Customization on Linux
21:49 - DKMS and FUSE
22:31 - DKMS
23:32 - Linux Uses a Pluggable Architecture (PAM and Systemd)
24:25 - Linux Minimal Installation Option
25:03 - Linux Updates
26:05 - Automatic Bloat
28:10 - What is I just want to Use Linux...can I do that?
31:27 - Cloud Reliance Bad
34:46 - One Thing I hear a lot: You can run Linux on old hardware
39:07 - The Bathtub Failure Curve
40:05 - Heat is your Enemy
43:16 - Linux Stands Out from the Crowd
43:33 - MacOS and Windows Track everything you do
46:34 - One more thing...
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WINDOWS UPDATES!!! This alone is why the switch to Linux is so worthwhile.
Historically or recent issues?
5 minutes from login to loading the webpage I want …. argggh
Actually both. I used Windows in its very early days and was very content with Windows 7 but started "playing" with Linux and gradually left Windows completely. I have Windows 11 available in a multi-boot system so I can still provide support to relatives and friends.@@GrishTech
Absofreakinlutely!
Windows is all reasons to run Linux in a nutshell.
I love my Linux mint , my pc was absolute garbage under windows 10 . Now it is awesome and does everything i need straight away . Its also on my 2009 imac which became unusable due to no updates available
Your first question is really easy to answer for me... I kept getting more aggravated with each version of Windows, a lot of the tasks I did got harder and it felt slower, and I always had to fight the computer / Microsoft on things.
So when some of my old games couldn't be run on Windows 10 without a battle and my Linux laptop ran them perfectly, that was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Now I am finding joy in using my computer again, it isn't always sunshine and roses, but the total sum is so much better than what I had with Microsoft.
Now I hope you (DJ Ware) made the ZFS version work that I tipped you about earlier.
Great stuff as usual. I think you summed up what motivates Linux users so well:
"It's about embracing an operating system that values user control, customization, and community"
I had to choose Linux. I had zero choice. I brought a HP A180c web server. Turned out it wasn’t intel based but a HPPA Pa-Risc chip. No hpux installed so I brought a paper weight. Thankfully 6 months later Debian Woody came out with HPPA support and I have never looked back. Steep learning curve but well worth it.
Awesome story!
I love FreeBSD
BSDs forever!
@@jholloway77 and ever
I want my BSD
When I got some time over I'm gonna check out OpenBSD, I've never used any BSD. Heard that FreeBSD is more "friendlier" to use, also I'll heard of another one called GhostBSD... I don't know.
I've had great success using old computers and Linux with my family and friends who just do simple stuff like browse the web, edit a document, etc. One caveat to that is it has to at least have an ssd in it, which works wonders. It's all they really need.
Yeah man I do all of my programming on a 30 dollar refurbished Dell laptop I bought on eBay. It runs like a dream after putting an SSD in it.
My mom is running Manjaro on a dell d820 (from 2009 I think). Put a fast ssd in it and boosted it's ram up a bit and it runs fantastic.@@hoi-polloi905
Nothing wrong to use hardware until it dies as long as you have backup🙂
I never understood backing up personal computers. Just use git and download what you need as you need it. @@gwoodlogger4068
Even without an SSD, it's slower but it works, I've been using a hard disk for week, waiting for my SSD to be RMA'd.
My 2008-era media server is feeling self-conscious about the old hardware comments, haha :)
LOL oops, well I have a an old potato too that I fire up once in awhile
I remember back when I was a Windows programmer, I worked at a company where we had one Linux guy. Every time he would say something about Linux, I would respond with something like "Macs suck" or "I can't stand Apple products". It would infuriate him to no end. He never caught on that I was trolling him and never failed to be enraged. Ahhhh...good times.
WTF lmao 😂
LOL
thats actually hilarious 💀
Big Red Button that makes him mad... I gotta press it! I just gotta press it man!! 😄
And he shows you the old anti Microsoft ad where Nowell computers only go down when they bring them down.some of the old computer ads were great.
The freedom to decide what gets installed on my system it's the reason why I prefer GNU/Linux. Though, lately I find myself distro hopping, also another reason why I like Linux is performance; currently, I'm running Q4OS at the moment, by the way, I'm trying it on my laptop. My laptop is rather old of course, it's a Lenovo Ideapad N580, dual core Intel B960, not a good CPU but for what I need it it still for running and trying Linux, as DJ Ware says, I'm pushing my limit.
I switched from Windows 7 to Linux some years ago and I never looked back. It is fantastic what you can do with Linux. When I was using Windows I really had no clue about the OS. With Linux I am mastering more and more. My first encounter with an OS other than Windows was in '92 on a Sun workstation (Solaris) at uni but I didn't give it much thought because I studied chemistry.
CONGRATS!!!! You freed yourself!! ENJOY !! (i am sure you do!) 😄
I switched while still on W7 too, and I did know a lot about the OS, but since one of them was you didn't have any good way to know about what all the OS does, how it works, and how to make it not do some of them, and make them do things the way you wanted, and that if you did manage to change something it could take it away at any time! Linux didn't come with that problem in the first place.
Add how easy and fast it is to reinstall the OS, and all your software, and even retain most settings for both the OS and all software just by keeping your home folder (On a separate partition or drive). I can have it done in a few hours, and remember it taking days and even weeks on Windows, and then just having a small hardware change could make "Authentication" fail and then have to argue with M$ support... same with the many software's that are proprietary.
Another big difference is getting straight, honest, and accurate answers from the community when there are bugs, security risks... unlike on the Microsoft forums where the blind are leading the blind and M$ is keeping secrets and/or being evasive, even blaming users and software's for shit that turns out to be a Windows problem after all, often taking months to find a solution if they even care to make one. Linux is all about the user and the community, and anyone with the understanding can investigate way deep into the underlying tech, and help find and fix the issue, add a new feature, make a GUI for a terminal app... Just ask, and unless your request would break security or user space, someone will look into it and see if, and then how to make it happen. In Windows it's M$ way or the highway.
I have been computing since 79, and tried quite a few OS's but I was lost in a terminal vs a GUI, and was so glad for the future of computing and what doors it could open (I watched "The Jetson's" a lot), but of course the industry never delivered the goods and instead only crippled alternatives that created an illusion, working in their favor, not the users.
Back in the day we expected there to be a central computer in every house, and anything that could be controlled by one to link to it, and it all worked together in harmony for adhering to standards... but instead everything has a computer of it's own, mostly proprietary and locked down in many ways, none of it working well together... and the consumer has become the product, not the product serves the user!
BeOS had an underlying data base any app that needed to could access, so any office software already worked together right out of the box, no need for 5 apps with separate address books, financial info and what not, or needing convoluted workarounds to make them work together, type in an new clients address, and it knew what it was and where to put it; you do it once, and it was there for anything needing it. Start typing one already in the DB and it filled in the blanks... Then you could expand the database and add data types and functions to it. Even Linux is sorely lacking in that regard, but at least not by bad intentions, as it's more of a having many choices thing and so many ways to do them.
@@AxelWerner LInux ist das Beste, was mir computermässig je passieren konnte. Die Möglichkeiten sind grenzenlos. Es wird nie langweilig.
@@Bob-of-Zoid Thanks for sharing your insights with us.
@@adjusted-bunny ganz genau! Und nichts wird "versteckt" oder ist geheim. Alles ist offen, überall darf, kann und soll kann man hinein schauen, testen, lernen, verändern. #LINUX und #GNU "laden dazu ein" . Aber ich sehe auch warum Linux für Anfänger häufig so ein Problem ist. Denn diese "neue Freiheit" ist Anfangs ungewohnt und schwer zu überblicken. Denn es ist Niemand mehr da (Microschrott, CrApple) die einem vorschreiben wie und was mit der Software und dem eigenen Computer gemacht werden darf/soll. Da hab ich selbst auch einige Zeit gebraucht, bis ich das "ohne an der Leine laufen" gelernt habe :D Aber das Durchhalten wurde belohnt! ❤
the reason i switched from windows to linux is because back in 2019 , i was playing a game with my friends and we were almost going to win but suddenly Windows update came causing my game to minimize and by the time i returned back in the game , its all over ...
Will never forget that day ( and the game was CSGO )
almost 4 years using linux now , no regrets till this day
Ouch, what a time for an update to occur thanks for sharing that painful event, VEKTOR.
Hahahaha. Pretty fun switched-to story.
@@evanesoteric it is the worst thing to happen especially when you are this close to winning
All my friend blamed me but it wasn't my fault
Today we all using either fedora or Arch
There is no point in using Windows as all our games and programs are available on Linux
@@CyberGizmo I am not the only one who faced this problem :
ua-cam.com/video/eP31lluUDWU/v-deo.html
I have a history of putting Linux on Apple hardware.
I had a brand new 1998 iMac but became frustrated by the constant crashing of it's OS (System 7). On my previous computer (Macintosh SE) I had installed a variant of Minix and had enjoyed tinkering with it so when I learned about Linux (Linux PPC) I installed it on my iMac. Fast forward to the present, I now have a MacBook Pro and have recently installed Asahi/Fedora Linux. When Asahi leaves alpha I'm going to replace MacOS permanently.
There are several advantages in doing this:
1. No corporate tracking, spying etc...
2. A fully secure and open environment.
3. The hardware actually works better under Linux.
4. Feels good to stick it to Apple - bwa ha ha ha :)
Needless to say all of my P.C.s run linux as well...
Thanks D.J. for this video!
P.S. I do wear glasses, but you wouldn't catch me dead wearing bell-bottoms!
re: P.S. ROFL and you are welcome, and me either although I did have some giant ones back in the day
I feel like you've massively undersold how much additional value you can get out of old hardware from using Linux. I have a bunch of old hardware I've resurrected for various reasons and in has been fantastic for that. This is especially true if you use a lightweight DE like LXQt. I have a minimal Debian install with a manually installed Openbox window manager and it's very fast and smooth for the tasks given to it. Saying that, there is value in putting a new SSD in old hardware.
Undersold? A very strongly worded statement. I am not selling anything, I am expressing an opinion. So from what I said I gather you are saying older hardware runs faster than new, it is more secure than newer hardware and older drives fail less than newer ones? That was my message and I use older machines up to 7 years old for laptops and up to 10 years old for desktops that was my message. What you choose to do with your equipment is all up to you and the risk you are willing to bear. And I stand by my opinion.
@@CyberGizmo You know that's not what I'm saying. I am saying older hardware runs more smoothly under lightweight versions of Linux than it does under Windows because there's less overhead. That means Linux can makes old hardware useful. You can also cut down the OS to the bare minimum and you can have a great experience browsing, watching movies etc. That isn't possible in Windows. I don't think we have wildly different opinions on the matter, I just don't think you made this clear in your video.
@@matthewhayward1843 I tried Linux vs. Windows performance a lot of times over the years (started with mp3 playback back in 199x), Linux always lost. I wonder where the myth comes from, that Linux would perform any better. Most of the time, the software / drivers available with hardware acceleration, codecs and things or just lower power consumption, sleep and resume are way better on Windows than what is available on Linux. So performance is often already better just because of that. The Linux OS I tested a few days ago came with Firefox, had a quick look into UA-cam with it, I immediately noticed the fan spinning up of the computer, it was using 85% CPU while playing the video instead of 10% with Windows. It is the same story, hardware decoding not there / enabled and performance tanks. I also tested Proxmox vs. Hyper-V recently.. Linux VM always 15% slower compared to hosting the VM on Windows. The Linux boxes also always take more power from the wall. Quake III had half the frame rate I tested some time ago etc., so.. no, for me Linux always performs worse.
Love the conversation.
That was a cute quote. For me (us) the fact that we were locked into Microsoft operating systems from the days of MS-DOS left us with too many bad memories of being "over sold" on features that we needed but were always late, sometimes by years. MS Windows 10 was our breaking point, and Linux Mint is what we use every day now. Mint has been running on new builds and old laptops very well indeed, and I quit worrying about updates breaking anything a couple of years after the "walking backwards" started. Funny thing about that - we get to use the hardware we want to use and nobody tells us what software we can or can't use, or that we have to be mined for everything we do on-line....
Loved the video DJ! One of my best decision in my life was to use Linux (Debian user), becouse just that it push me to learn a lot of cool things that facilitate my life.
Linux on old machines is great value! Why should I throw away my computer every three years or so? Just replace the failing components with a modestly-specced substitute and you'll still have a system good enough for office work, browsing the internet, writing code, etc., just like it was when it was new. Windows has a major update every six months, approximately, and they target an average system spec about six months newer, so my budget laptop which ran early Windows 10 pretty smoothly was way under the minimum recommended specs _for Windows 10_ by the time Windows 11 came out. Somewhere along the way the expectation was that I should be running the OS out of an SSD, so the system got horribly unoptimized for spinning rust. The system was always choking on storage bandwith, even with no user applications open. Linux mint, which is hardly a performance-optimized distro, solved that right quick.
thank you for your work!
Enjoyed the presentation ! Almost makes me think a migration just MIGHT be _possible_ !
Great topic and the way it was presented. Feels like a campfire chat. Thank you DJ.
Most welcome, now i want some samores
The problem you mentioned about old computers is true. Some notebooks don't have dual band for wifi, so you can only connect to 2.4GHz connections, and web speed is a pain.
I recently switched, but the lack of printer support worries me because I aim to print for a home business. I don't see that changing so I can't throw out my windows just yet.
Check your printer's specs -I myself have only ever had printer trouble with Windows, never with Linux. Also, if your printer runs fine on a live session (running Linux from an installation medium, without installing it), then it definitely *will* work fine if you install Linux. Plus, dual boot (preferably with a two-disk setup, as Windows doesn't like it while Linux does) allows you to play around for as long as you wish without giving up options.
Check if your printer has network printing capability, if it does you should use it regardless of operating system, usually much more reliable than their shoddy drivers (they just refuse to give the teams the time to polish them)
Interesting musings. Enjoyed your personal experiences. Agree with most of them.
But will take issue with one comment about not installing Linux on older systems. I have a mid-2014 15" Macbook Pro with 16gigs of RAM running Ventura. It was getting long in the tooth and there have been at least 2 major OS updates since them. (I am running Sonoma on my Mac mini M1). I decided to swap out the OS with a Linux distro. After a bunch of live USB experiences (Debian 12, etc.), I decided to install Linux Mint 21.3 on my laptop.
Well, it installed smoothly, is running great, is snappy, looks great (with my customizations), recognized my Wi-Fi, Magic Mouse, Ethernet and all devices without any configuration (except for the built-in iSight camera, the driver for which I had to install myself) and came pre-installed with most of the apps that I needed.
Bottom line, the 10-year old Retina 15" MBP is has a new, updated, modern lease on life. So, I don't know how far back exactly your "older system" remark refers to, but I can testify that my 10-yr old MBP is fantastic running LM 21.3.
So, I do highly recommend people installing Linux (after following your suggestions about compatibility, etc.) on older machines to (1) extend the useful life of these machines and, very importantly, (2) not contribute to e-garbage any more than we have to.
I need a browser, a basic office suite, a C compiler and a Swizz army knife worth of shell tools. I HATE using the mouse as a touch typist, so my GUI needs are very rudimentary, so XFCE works perfectly fine for me. Slackware has fit my personal taste perfectly for decades, so for me neither Windows nor MacOS has anything to offer. Offering me nothing, but charging me money for the privilege, while also actively annoying me, is not a particularly good sales case.
oh yeah, and slackware its been a long while since I have done anything with it, a great great distro
@@CyberGizmo The ultimate "get out of my hair" distro for grumpy old men who don't like changes :P
Tracking is even more pervasive than you mentioned. One day I was playing with an old radio, looking at what kind of stations it could pick up. I found a channel with a good signal and listened to a song. My Android phone was nearby. The next day, on my Linux computer, UA-cam has that song and others by that group in my recommended videos. Creepy af.
I moved to Linux because I was getting tired of Microsoft removing or hiding features that were previously there. In hindsight, it feels like they stop caring about power users with Windows 10, and 11 is really a mess.
2 full years only on Linux at home and I can't see moving myself moving back. Knowing what my system does, what is upgraded and when I want it to is such a change.
Moving from EOS to Arch to OpenSUSE TW I think I've found my distro :)
The next thing we'll need is Linux for cars to get rid of all that tracking garbage that nobody would knowingly consent to.
There is only one fix for windows...it's called Linux. Best OS I've ever used.
An excellent and rational conversation. If Linux users refrained from bashing other than their favourite Distro, Windows/MacOS users might, just might, be tempted to put a toe in the water, and try Linux.
I reserve the right to criticise any OS that does not meet my standards, and that is as a Linux user since 1996 (and as a UNIX admin and system builder / maintainer for 8 years before that).
If that means that others are so "offended" by my comments that it means they don't come over to Linux, that's entirely on them. I don't treat my OS of choice as a "fashion accessory" such that 2% or 92% desktop penetration would make zero difference as to how I use it - ultimately I don't care about modern gaming, for example, and am therefore not one of these newbies who thinks that just because they own a Steam Deck then that makes them a Linux expert all of a sudden.
And before you throw back the usual "you're the exact reason why the Linux community is the way that it is", or you call me an "elitist" or "gatekeeper", part of my day job with Linux is training others how to use it and creating shell and Python scripts to help them get the best out of it - plus I'm an organiser of a local Linux and Raspberry Pi club that spreads the word of Linux. I put a lot into educating others in using it, but they have to want to engage and learn.
But the only people I am willing to help are those who are interested in learning Linux and are willing to put in effort to do so. Unfortunately, you just sound like a whiny individual that will always blame someone else for your own unwillingness to put in effort - and that's your choice, but that's not a Linux issue.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I would totally agree that genuine criticisms are, of course valid and welcome. Unfortunately some just seem to bash other distros for the sake of it.
@@tonywise198 I have been a Gentoo Linux user 2003 and it comes under constant bashing for having lengthy compile times and other silly Internet memes - I could care less about others bashing it, it doesn't change my using it.
If anything, if someone uses a meme to bash your distro, ask them what it's like to be a member of the "Internet Hive Mind" because, in my universe, nothing says "I can't think for myself" better than parroting a meme, something "funny" that someone else once said.
And someone who can't think for themselves shouldn't be using Linux in the first place.
If you are worried about old disk failure, just replace your disks on a clock. What makes sense for you? Seven years? Or just do proper backups and replace the disk if it fails.
A great overview on Linux. Thanks DJ!
Very welcome!
Great comparison video! Its not enough saying one is better, trust me. Its way more realistic when specifics are included and explained.
Thank you!
In 2013 I bought three HDD WD, one died in the first months, the other two are still in use with more than 30,000 hours of operation, SMART is ok, but they knock quite hard.
I know it's reckless to use them but I have backups, on one of these ancient drives😅
Yeah i use them until they break as well, no point wasting money until you have too and I also keep backups for when the inevitable happens
I started on with Linux because I was interested in learning about the inner working of a computer, stuff like bash, package manager, kernel, unix, systems admin etc. Along the way I learned stuff like git, vim, package manager, distros, DE, window manager etc.
Today I use Linux because of sunk cost fallacy and window managers. I am agnostics about linux, and I slightly tilt towards macs because of their excellent hardware.
Although I really like Linux, with this discussion I think we kind of need to qualify what we mean by "Linux OS", at least for some of the points like "Tracking what you do", "Automatic bloat" and "Annoying updates". The reason I say this is because technically Android OS and ChromeOS are Linux operating systems, yet they perform a lot of intrusive activity on the user and lock you out of a number of permissions by default.
I've heard people say that Android and ChromeOS "Not real Linux OS'es" even though they use the Linux kernel. But that then begs the questions, what is a "Linux Desktop"?
If it is not the kernel that defines something as a Linux OS it would have to be something else that defines it as a Linux OS.
Is it the form factor? I've heard people say that using a smartphone or tablet to do something isn't really using a computer, but I've known people who only use an android based tablet to do all of their work. Heck, there was a while when I was using a Blackberry phone to type up my university papers (god that keyboard was great!)
Is it the user-land, particularly ones that use primarily GNU utilities? In that case we can exclude ChromeOS and Android, but also things like Alpine Linux. It it the design principles and commitment to end user freedom/customization? In that case we could also include non-Linux systems like FreeBSD or OpenBSD.
I suppose you could try to define it by the community and the ethos & design principles it supports, but even within the community there is a lot of diversity - one only need look at the recent controversy over RedHat to see that, not to mention the endless collection of forks.
The reason I think we need these definitions of what counts as a "Linux Desktop" is that there is so much diversity. You'll often see Linux evangelists brag that Linux is the most successful OS ever, pointing out that majority of computers and super computers use Linux, but the former includes cellphones & servers while the latter is so different from what would be used by the average techie that it is basically a different machine. It would be like saying that an old Ford Pinto is the same as the latest Formula-1 race car just because they both use internal combustion engines.
Getting my father to install Ubuntu on an old laptop was fairly straight forward, but I can't imagine walking him through installing Arch. He'd get overwhelmed even using the command line based archinstall utility.
I think without the clear definition of what we mean by Linux Desktop or LinuxOS we can't clearly describe what we like about "Linux" as a whole, instead it will just become a our favorite design principles and utilities, and just saying what we don't like about other systems.
Proprietary driver *do* work on linux, but kernel updates may break 'em. This is usually handled by the distro packagers. This is why nvidia eventually released their driver code.
If my understanding is correct the rest of their proprietary will eventually works once the nvidia kernel code matures
When windows started auto-updating people to windows 10 without consent, I switched to linux full time (I had dabbled before). I think already, the fights over moving the start button and how to get it back if you didnt want to change were in full swing. I think MS was jealous of Mac and wanted to be able to dictate "The Proper Way" to their deciples. My computer is an appliance. I just want it to work reliably and consistently from here on out. I dont need AI integration or any other buzzwords. I would still be happily on windows 7, or even xp, if they would continue supporting it. I really could care less about open source, etc. I just want a reliable experience going foreward. I even avoid DE's that are prone to ground up redisigns from time to time. XFCE for my 1990's UI experience is what I want. To that end, I have endured quite a lot of headache learning how to fix various linux "features" over the years.
at the end of the day, all i want is something I turn on and it just works, the side nerdy hacking is just to learn for me (hobby if you will). Agree with you!
How do you judge if reboot is required or not on your system, especially if it is a rolling distro flavour? I am surprised You choose this as example, isn't it more of a sysop flex from old days? Even on arch that builded I choose to reboot the desktop and have no doubts, it takes 10 seconds afterall, maybe elaborate on this in next vid? Thanks.
I am working in IT since 40 years and I used numerous operating systems on a pro-level. Without going into details I can say that nothing comes even close to Linux. Combined with the Plasma desktop it is an outstanding user experience. The switch from MacOs X and Windows was hard 15 years ago but since then I never looked back although I have still some Windows partitions (for some software) and MacOS PCs but I try everything to avoid working with these annoying systems.
11:22 the MS Support License Key recovery merry-go-round. It Me 🤚. Been there had to write down the stupid GUID/Number sequence. I don't how MS make any money having to staff a Help Desk that makes people spend 60-120 minutes of their lives to get a bona fide key to re-enable/or upgrade their OS. How many do they do in a day? Or a year? I just boggles my mind.
I honestly don't understand how they are able to generate billions of dollars every year. Probably selling personal data to advertisers and direct admin access to any system to the FBI.
that phone session served as a good reminder, of why I don't use WIndows anymore
Hey @DJ Ware you mention macOS and windows having had their day. Would you categorize the BSD family of UNIX operating systems that way. I’m a fan but I’ll be the first to admit it seems like they are falling behind Linux in hardware and features.
Yeah the BSD family is still innovating, they are more focused on servers though so the desktop has never really been a thing, except for GhostBSD, they are IMHO the desktop BSD.
I use Windows and Linux. I've never had a Windows update that forced me to reboot. Sure, it will tell me that I should reboot to finish installing updates, but I'm never forcibly kicked off for updates to install. I use Windows 11.
I also use Linux, and if you haven't configured your system properly, kernel updates tend to mess with existing kernel modules. In the past, kernel upgrades on ArchLinux rendered the system unusable afterward. It's either the graphics or sound drivers break due to not having been recompiled against the new kernel. Thankfully, over the years, I've switched most of my kernel modules to DKMS, and I have an update hook that automatically recompiles them. However, even this is not always enough to have a completely working system after Linux kernel updates. I can't go into too much detail, but the gist of it is that you have to be somewhat of a wizard on a distro like ArchLinux to have a working system after a kernel upgrade.
In light of that, I prefer the way Windows handles these important system upgrades. It's just less stressful, and I don't have to be an expert in Windows architecture to manage updates.
I'm Dutch, so I choose Linux for 2 simple reasons, it is FREE like in FREE BEER and you can run it on CHEAPER HW. My last 3 PCs were:
In 2008 I bought a 2003 HP d530 with a Pentium 4 HT (3.0 GHz); 2.0GB DDR. In 2014 I bought a 2008 HP dc5850 with Phenom X3 8600 (3x 2.3 GHz); 4GB DDR2 and upgraded later to a Phenom II X4 (4x 3.2 Ghz); 8GB DDR2. Since 2019 I have a new $349 own build with Ryzen 3 2200G (4x 3.7 GHz); 16GB DDR4 and a 512GB SP nvme (3400/2300MB/s). In 2024 I want to upgraded to a Ryzen 5 5600G with 32GB DDR4. I never had a problem with drivers :) :)
With respect to older hardware, I did spend 2x $8 on the HP dc5850 to buy an USB 3.0 card and a SATA 3 card to speed up the peripherals and the sata-SSD. In 2023 two of my HDDs (500MB and 1TB) died in my desktop both after 10 power-on years, so I bought a new 2TB HDD and restored everything from one of my backups.
The remains of the 2003 HP d530 are together with 2 IDE HDDs 3.5" and 2 SATA HDDs 2.5" now in use as my 2nd backup server with in total 1.21TB. It runs a 20 years younger 32-bits FreeBSD 14.0 on OpenZFS :) It is powered on for 1 hour/week and all HDDs have less than 3 power-on years.
I'm in the process of switching to Linux on a gradual basis. (Dual Boot.) What is more important is that it supports many of the typical progs and apps that people use on a daily basis and that includes me!
Hello, DJ. I completely agreed with you. It is a pain to get those keys to work even though you pay for them, and they are totally legal. I only use windows at work. I do not use it for my daily driver at home. I use a Windows account and Windows OS to keep up. Thank God for Linux, FreeBSD and any other OS there. Thank you. --
SlowRoll had been behind Tumbleweed for the past few weeks, but the update this morning brought it up to date with Tumbleweed 6.7.4-1. I am really impressed with SlowRoll.
Good to see you @act. 13:41, and yeah I avoided a couple of arch issues last year by not updating everyday.
@@CyberGizmo I loved Arch, but I did get tired of it breaking. 😂
I discovered Linux 5 years ago just as I started my CS study. I never really was annoyed or bothered with Windows, I was simply amazed by how nice and smart everything felt in Linux engineering wise. The way Windows works felt like a duct taped school project, even though Linux is the OS once created by a college student for fun.
Let's be a little more historically accurate, Linux was the kernel that a college student made for fun, all the programs that made up the OS were provided by the GNU project in the beginning which was missing a kernel at the time because they were struggling to get their experimental one called GNU HURD working, Linus' kernel filled the gap and the rest is history. The full name of the OS is GNU/Linux but that is awkward and clunky to say so we all just called it Linux and the GNU part is often forgotten about but still a key part of its history. The GNU HURD is still around today, they got it working in the end but way too late, its very much a forgotten fringe project now.
@@captainblood9616 Cool I use Alpine without any GNU utils btw
I remember when, many years ago, we got a new printer. I was already running Linux (Ubuntu back then), and my girlfriend's laptop ran Windows. She had to install drivers and configure stuff. I just plugged it in.
Quiero instalar EndeavourOS que me recomienda grub o systemd-boot y que sistema de archivo btrfs o ext4 gracias
I got my main HDD HD103SJ on my main (usually gaming) PC running for 14 years (it seems) , almost 24/7 with win7, formatted only once (with ~2 in-place upgrades to itself (Win7SP1)) :)
I know time to change probably... but got no issues with that yet. But more and more software is stopping to get updates for win7 anymore (usually because embedded chromium).
There are work-arounds... but it is getting tedious.
Refurbished Dell Optiplex minis works perfect with Linux. I use a 5050 Optiplex mini. Every distro I tried on it, installed without problems. Even with Secure Boot enabled, except for Pop OS of course. It never ceases to amaze me that after a storm you don't have power anymore. This never happens in the Netherlands.
To be honest, I had a very good experience with Windows 10. I only had problems with the applications I installed; because I pushed my system beyond its capabilities, rendering those Apps to be sluggish. Running Windows 11, which is better, I actually had problems with one application, throwing me out of Windows 11 and rebooting by itself. As I try to install those resource intensive apps, I anticipate running again into the sluggishness, I experienced before, primarily because my system is not built for running Windows 11.
If you're running two operating systems: Windows on one disc, and Linux on another, can Linux interfere with the operation of Windows and vice versa- by an update or some other software manipulation, that will affect the microcode of the hardware?
i believe WSL has been available on Windows Home for quite a while now
If you bind your key to your live account it works just fine to activate on other hardware
Just dealt with the windows update thing, had to stop something I was doing to let windows update have it's reboot and I'm so tired of it. I don't mind rebooting, I do mind stopping what I'm doing to do it. And that's on my second machine that I run windows on pretty much just for office, I had to do some work on an excel spreadsheet for someone.
So what is your take on FreeBSD soon to drop 32-bit support completely?
Its coming for linux as well just a matter of time. We are on the verge of 128-bit machines. Why? I guess because we can from a memory model 128-bit makes no sense, but ... not everything we do today makes sense.
In 14 years, unless something is done to patch Unix time, won't 32-bit become obsolete?
What's so special about security updates on the OS. Isn't it better to just have software especially designed for security? That's what servers use.Why would Anyone rely on security on an OS that does data mining/ spying on your computer.
I can't really detect any performance difference between my high-end workstation and my 12 year old X1 carbon for most of my daily use. I'm not going to game on it, and I run bigger compile jobs elsewhere, but the thing that eventually makes me upgrade to a newer system is (always) better IO options. I'd probably still be using my 2001 T20 if it had USB 3.
you can add an usb 3.1 extension card
@@viruslab1 PCMCIA can't get close to 3.0 speeds, and that's about the fastest connectivity you get on a T20.
that's sad (( @@capability-snob
@@capability-snob- Good info; many thanks. Back to Kung Fu w/ Nikon; hiiiyaaa!
By the way nowadays Windows 10/11 doesn't care how long are you running it without a license, it will just have some appearance features locked and will show a watermark telling you to activate Windows
What is CFS?
Is it correct to say that an all AMD system will run Linux optimally?
My goodness. Linux, Linux, Linux - that's the UA-cam I like :-)
and I'm still not sure if Ableton and all my waves plugins will still work under wine
WinDoze 98 made me learn Linux. My computer went from nearly unusable to completely stable.
2 hours on the phone to install Windows? How do you think I felt - as a simpleton - trying to install Arch for the first time?
I have a ThinkPad with a Haswell i7-4702MQ that I still use. I think it's still solid, although it is true that it is not as fast as my other ThinkPad with its i5-1135G7.
Funny thing you mention about removing the chip with windows on it. I installed an SSD Drive on my laptop and with Linux Mint it runs better/ faster then Windows does on a faster chip then the SSD Drive.
FREE software is only for anyone with spare FREE time. The most annoying thing is when a program/library suddenly disappears/is replaced. E.g., the legacy "cal" is recently replaced with "ncal".
Windows is still valid to find out if there is a hardware problem. E.g., when Linux freezes, hangs, or is in an audio loop. If that also happens in Windows, it means a hardware problem. Otherwise, it is a Linux problem.
Sometimes, "the community" recommends conflicting suggestions. E.g., for the audio loop problem above, some recommend increasing "vm.swappiness", and some recommend decreasing it. Both suggestions do not make sense since there is plenty of memory available and zero swap activity.
Therefore, do not use FREE software if you don't have FREE time.
The Raspberry PI and Steam Deck are giving consumers a taste of how powerful Linux can be without being overly complex.
There are ways to install proprietary drivers in Linux even though they're not in the kernel.
My feets are always facing Crunchbangplusplus: Debian stable with a preconfigured Openbox.
This is granddad I never had
omg, lol
I occasionally run an Dell Inspiron 9400 from 2003 with OpenSUSE Leap. HDD replaced every 5 years.
It's slow!
The open source NVIDIA drivers are pretty good now
Thanks 👍
Welcome, Bob!
Am I the only one who thinks the beard makes him look like the actor Donald Sutherland.
Will the new Windows "12"'s built-in A.I. solve all grievances against Windows? Thanks. :)
It will only make them worse. More crap constantly running, snooping on everything and interrupting what you were doing with suggestions.
Yeah the return of Clippy...err super annoying Clippy
Yes it will.. by recommending a selection of Linux distributions
Heeheeheehee! Best comment ever! :) @@captainblood9616
Do people really go out and buy old systems to install linux on? I'm pretty sure the idea is that when your winblows machine starts running slow you can recoup some of your time and irritation by transitioning to linux with it's lower resource overhead. It's about repurposing existing old systems or not having to buy something new right away rather than saving money on a purchase.
I recently bought a laptop with Windows installed and found it SO HARD to use. Everything is so locked down it's a PITA. Of course it's slated for a Linux Distro. Now you have to pay attention to the hardware because some hardware will ONLY work with Windows now, even if you build it yourself. You might not be into bashing Windows, but it's an authoritarian nightmare and we need to leave it in the dust.
Remember when Apple released a new version of OS-X with a blank administrator password, and never asked you to change it?
All of my Linux hardware is 10+ years old, including the old Optiplex I use to run Proxmox 🤷🏻♂️
Also, windows has multiple package manager.
Windows 11 was the final straw for me. I wanted an os that I could,make my own
I started looking at Linux when Micro Shaft ended support for XP I now run all my machines on Linux . My first install of Linux was in 2004 and it has become easier for people to use and has support for more hardware . I also will not buy any hardware that does not run on Linux.
Why did you remove the NVME drive?
To replace it with a faster one it was an OEM drive
@@CyberGizmo Thank you. Thank you for all the info.
@@CyberGizmoI was confused on what you meant by throwing it out hah!
I just use whatever operational system that comes fitted inside the cromputer im ordered to operate
Windows has been pissing me off TO THE MOON for years! So I moved to Trixie a couple of months and NEVER GOING BACK! The only thing I miss severely is WinMerge.
Que distribucion de linux usa como su estacion de trabajo
Yo uso dos, Fedora y Endeavor OS.
Muchas gracias por su atención su canal es una joya de la información de linux @@CyberGizmo
Muchas gracias por su amable respuesta@@CyberGizmo
Quiero instalar Endeavor OS que me recomienda con grub o systemd-boot, ext4 o btrfs gracias@@CyberGizmo
Que me recomienda grub o systend-boot y btrfs o ext4@@CyberGizmo
Wouldn't the takes given by the uneducated for Linux actually apply to the BSDs abd Haiku?
I have a feeling that Haiku might progress further than the BSDs but even Haiku is MIT licenced.
Really cool beard!! 😎😎 Once you cut that beard, you will lose all memories of computers and software. Assuming you cherish your wisdom, guard that beard with your life!
Windows had it's day? Which day was that? I always thought that was the demo that comes with a new computer. Of course that is replaced with a real OS as soon as the system gets home. I have told my house hold that I will only IT Linux. They can have whatever they want on their machine.... I have never seen windows last more than a week... even with no breakage.
You must be doing something wrong. My Win7 installations lasted almost 10 years, I reboot when I need, maybe 5 times a year, it's sleep and resume day in day out. Laptop and server machines running over a year without a single reboot. Not saying windows is perfect, but it just works. Booted Win10 on a single core from 2005 recently, I put the same SSD into 40 other computers.. it always booted, installed GPU, Wifi, Audio drivers automatically, awesome experience. It wasn't always like this, Win7 did not like hardware swaps that much, but still possible. The commercial part of the Windows world is a pain in the rear, but once the OS is debloated, it's kinda perfect to get work done! o)
Will auntie malware software like Kaspersky - work with Linux?
I got my new catchphrase:
'what's the cost?'
'nothing but your time'
For me operating system is a tool. I don't particularly like or hate Windows, Linux or FreeBSD. But Windows offer the most freedom in choice of software, commercial or not and my job is software developer of app, that uses Qt, but it's meant to run on Windows. Many things are annoying on Windows, such as updates, random forced reboots and wake ups at 3am when you put computer to sleep, yes it cost almost two days salary once in six years. But on the other hand if you buy random bluetooth or wifi USB dongle, it works. It may or not work on Linux. It's unlikely that it will see FreeBSD support ever. About stabiliy, I'd say (despite 45 days uptime of my home server) that Windows are more stable _desktop_ OS. Linux may occasionally or sometimes often crash due to faulty GPU drivers on playing video, running OpenGL app. I guess both systems have it's place. About OS tracking whatever I'm doing ... yeah, maybe kind of, but once it's basically unavoidable to have google account, android smartphone, browser always signed to google because of youtube, gmail, ... that's something to be scared of.
Because Linux is BASED!
Linux is Linux based.
@@rursus8354 hahahahahahaaaaa
"Just what I always wanted, automated bloatware" 🤣🤣🤣
Reboots are the most annoying!!!!!!
Reboots *rarely* happen in my Linux laptop and Mac. I still keep one Windows desktop tho for games and that's it.
Security? Linux/UNIX has way way much fewer attack surface than Windows by default.
Yeah! Exciting new innovations in Linux...
like ssh backdoor... and who knows what else, that a Microsoft employee didn't catch in time.
Yeah, Linux is so secure... This aged well ;)
EVERYTHING is insecure!
there are other video cards Linux will use without any problems.
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