The Emotional Devastation of THE LAST OF US | Explained
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Once again I am here to ask you what your favorite moment was.
To clarify, they never told me what was wrong, sent me a 'we're worried about your well being' email, didn't give me the option to request a review on the original video, then sometime in the last hour someone completely removed all the original restrictions on it, meaning there was nothing wrong with the original video at all, all with no explanation.
I was wondering. Because I was sure I saw this earlier.
@@AmandaTheJedi they wouldn't though, youtube policy would say you would have to guess what was wrong with the content. There was youtube link I gave showing of this youtuber had a simlier issue, only swearing. And Happy your at ease and your wellbeing.
@@AmandaTheJediIt's like taking a license or citizenship test, not passing but you're not told what you missed.
Thanks so much for your reupload, Amanda. I enjoyed this entire show, particularly Ellie and Joel's entire relationship.
They revealed that the fungus was spread world wide by flour. In episode one if you notice there are many times Joel could have been infected. Sarah wanted to make pancakes but Joel forgot to get some mix. Later on he promised to get a cake, he worked too late to get one. And when leaving for work the neighbor offered some biscuits but they declined because he got grossed out with how sloppy the neighbor was feeding his mother. And later on when Sarah was at her neighbor's doing homework she was offered those raisin cookies which she left right as they were ready. All those chances for him and Sarah to get infected.
The idea of infection through flour is extremely fantastic... it would be much more realistic if a single-celled mycelium would fly apart from the microparticles of the bodies of bombed Indonesians. That would be more realistic.
@@владимирмазепа-у3нit is like that in the games as well (the devs did a great job explaining just enough about the infection)
@@_donttouchme_ it’s also not supposed to take over people like that either. In the first episode they talk about the heat difference between bugs and people and how it evolved. Super interesting. I wonder if they thought about what your point
@@_donttouchme_ it depends on the fungus, there are some thermoresistant spores than can survive forest fires without much trouble.
@@_donttouchme_ I mean - I think the intent was that it was consumed, however, like you said be careful handling the flour. The process of rolling out dough etc gets flour everywhere, all over your apron, your hands, in the air. It's quite possible the infection spread through the flour being disturbed, kicked up, and breathed in instead of the food actually being consumed. And then of course you get the infected spreading it themselves.
I loved how the show handled gore. Especially the last scene. How he has zero hesitations, swapping weapons on the fly and kills anyone who stands in his way. The whole scene is about Joel. And at the very end when the lady pleads for her live and he shoots her... And then he lies to Ellie because he knows she would hate him for what he's done and there's no going back....
It's just perfect.
I always thought he was lying to her so she wouldn't go to the fireflies again... I don't think she loved Marlene that much.
@@владимирмазепа-у3нn the games ellie and marlene are pretty close so it would make more sense
Too bad they were too afraid to show gore
@@владимирмазепа-у3н Maybe. I mean given the option she would have sacrificed herself and Joel won't let it happen...
@@unavezms8167too bad she was not allowed the opportunity to make that decision.
The fight with david literally made me burst into tears from visceral terror, even knowing the assault would not progress.
I’m really glad to see Rutina Wesley (the actress who played Tera in True Blood) getting another role, and I hope she gets the main character in something big cause she’s *^}!~ fabulous and deserves all the flowers
"Whoever thought of that was sick and must have a lot of job security" GET THEIR ASS I ALSO FELT IT WAS UNNECESSARY FJNXNXNZ
My biggest complain, is the introduction of the concept that the infected can comunicate between them, they're connected, but despite the episode when it is introduced it's not used at all I believe. And the 3er episode, I liked but I would like it more if it was more connected to the main plot
I feel like HBO went from having things be a slow burn to just short episodes that are good but super fast. House of Dragons is another series where I've heard of people asking for more episodes and I honestly feel HBO is geared towards fast pace at the expense of the story.
Edit: Immunolgists as well as biochemists and others mentioned that the fireflies were full of crap and must have been med students that failed 1st semester. Because they pointed out all the medical equipment that would be needed as well as why you shouldn't kill your only living specimen when you're trying to create a vaccine. There's no way of storing the brain or keeping a supposed vaccine safe and no way of being able to give other countries that vaccine. Not to mention the hoardes of people who wouldn't want to go back to before the fungal infection or the fact that the state wouldn't allow any firefly vaccine to transport to place.
I really loved how the show leaned into Joel's insecurity and allowed the mask to slip a couple times. He felt like someone trying to put up barriers but still paralyzed by trauma. Game Joel was brilliant but the show added a layer I didn't know was missing.
I loved the show, but there was one thing that's either a huge writers' room mistake, a huge costuming/makeup mistake, or something people just don't understand yet. Unless Joel was unconscious for at least several days, there was no chance at a cure.
If your team lacks the knowledge, skill, or resources to exhaust all non-lethal options before an autopsy, they don't have what it takes to make a cure. Cordyceps in real life is not "in the brain" and that's pretty much how it looked like in the show, even if it's in the brain it's also all through the body; Marlene talked about chemicals being released; they assumed there's a big fungal growth in her - there was weeks if not months of blood tests and imaging and cultures and biopsies before you let the host die.
I was worried that like most show/movie adaptations of video games, they'd change a bunch and make it worse, but the first episode put my worries at ease. It felt so true to the game without seeming repetitive, and anything that was changed was clearly done with logical intention. I agree that some episodes felt too short, I think they could've had another episode or two to expand on some chapters of the story or at least had each ep be closer to an hour. All in all though, definitely the best video game adaptation I've seen.
You know a show is good when the main criticism you hear about it is "I wish there was more!"
So glad to see the vid is back up!
Like I said in my previous comment, I wish that there was at least one more episode in the season to explore Joel and Ellie’s bond before the finale. They both went something so traumatic and then the next time we see them they’re joking and feeding giraffes. Don’t get me wrong it was cute but I wish we could’ve seen them traveling from the cult farm to Seattle before everything went downhill.
But still this was a fantastic adaptation and I can’t wait for Season 2!
yes! there were really nice MOMENTS and it gives you everything you need to know about why they've bonded, but I'm down to see more of it
Especially because it's spring now, so you know that time has passed, at least a couple of months, but you don't FEEL like it has - they could have spent some time on that journey.
That whole timeskip was very out of place because the rest of the show was so well-paced and didn’t skip too much time.
I will say this show made me feel left out of the family dynamic because the memorial for Sarah and Kevin (the names of my siblings) in Jackson (the name of my nephew) had me wanting my own name drop 😂
That somber rendition of the theme for the final ep was so goddamn good
The only thing that bummed me was how in the middle east they censored the Ellie x Reily kiss ☹️ I was very confused because i knew it happened and when the episode ended I was like where the heck is the kiss, then it dawned on me
It wasn't Anna getting bit on the leg that gave Ellie her immunity. It was the fact Anna used the knife she killed the runner with that had cordycep still on the blade, then using that unclean knife to cut the umbilical. The cordycep was deposited on Ellie's side of the umbilical and in the amount of time it took for Marlene and the other fireflies to get there, the cordycep had that time to travel down the umbilical into Ellie's tiny body.
Here's the thing about "the cure." There is no belief Ellie would have been the catalyst for the cure. Dr. Neumann in the 1963 section said there was no vaccine, no medicine. Ratna in the 2003 Jakarta section reiterated that by said there was no vaccine, no medicine. Then Marlene used a word twice that calls into question her decision to forgo Anna's pleadings to take care of and protect Ellie, and that word was "thinks." Marlene said the firefly doctor "thinks" he could synthesize a vaccine. How does he do this when Neumann and Ratna with the best research and materials at their disposal said there was no possibility of a cure, make this "cure" by euthanizing this girl without proper study and trials? Marlene wasn't taking Anna's begging into consideration when she was going to so willingly server Ellie up to a "maybe" prospect. As for Joel....I believe he didn't do anything wrong. His words in episode two are what is uppermost here, and that is the scientists and the science hasn't worked up to that point, and what made the fireflies think they could in effect murder this girl on a possibility of a cure? Quite simply, it didn't work and Ellie would have died for nothing. Couple that with the lack of consent on Ellie's behalf and you have the reasons Marlene was basically no different than David: A zealot.
I truly do hope they will change the direction of season two and have Joel tell Ellie the truth and why he did what he did. That lie felt so antithetical to who Joel and Ellie are to each other. It felt wrong.
Well said & great recap!
In regards to it feeling short, I'm still convinced they cut an episode. 9 episodes is odd AF, but in the after the episode section in the last episode, Bella refers to episode 8 as episode 9, they cut her audio off but not in the subtitles.
I saw that too
I found Kathleen pretty compelling because she really isn't a good leader and you understand that as soon as you meet her. I assumed after the scene with her and Perry in her childhood bedroom that the reason everyone was following her was mostly due to loyalty to her brother. She basically inherited the rebellion from him when he died and was able to rally them all enough that they could take down the KC Fedra but once it came time to govern, she dropped the ball in favour of revenge.
This was simply a master class in taking creative license with the source material. I to like that they made the infected\clickers\bloaters a whole lot tougher than in the game so that when they do show up, we know just how dire the situation is. There's virtually no shooting your way out.
Can't wait to see Part II and how they deal the the challenges of the time line and fleshing out Ellie's relationship with Dina and Abby's relationship with Lev\Yara
it won't go well, even this one wasn't great
@@marcusclark1339 LMAO!
23:21 area. Even now, just that small snippet, after weeks, and it STILL got me crying again. Fuuuu--- Bella is phenomenal. 😢
Its not that Ellie's mother got bit, its that she used the same knife to kill that infected to cut Ellie's cord.
Oh damn, I didn’t even think of it
but that's the catch, without repeated experiments with controlled test groups there's no way to know if it was the knife, the bite, her genes or other factors, she's one of a kind and that's why there's no reliable (or ethical) way to recreate her birth
I understood it as being due to both
Her being bit would still contribute
I like how the show made it so explicitly clear over and over again that you can't make a vaccine for a goddamn fungus even under ideal circumstances, let alone in a fuckin apocalypse
Re-watching it! Amazing work as usual! And I agree that they should have made the season longer!
Bella’s stance at 25:25 is so chilling, inhuman almost
Fave moments- the strawberries!!! And the “baby girl” . I ugly sobbed for an hour each
I wish that the backstory for Tess wasn’t cut out
Sam!!!! 😭😭😭😱 That actor (pun indeeded) KILLED IT!!!
I don't play video games so I don't have the context for the source material but I loved the little details like how Joel's family didn't eat wheat that day but they kept shoveling cake in that old lady. But one problem I had was how sudden Joel's panic attacks showed up and gone in that episode. They were consistent with his hearing loss in one ear. Why not the panic attacks?
play the game or watch someone play it on youtube
it's so much better
Thank you for this video ❤
Honestly this show is pretty great. I love what they did and expanded on so much good. I love it but I am scared for season two as I was not a great fan of the part two of the last of us. Over all great review!
Thank you for bringing up Gretchen from Recess. Everyone likes to bring up Growing Pains for Ashley Johnson, but when i found out she was Gretchen it blew my mind
It blows my mind that people think Bella doesn’t look like Ellie. Oh my god when I heard she was cast, I thought she looked perfect!
I don't think she looks like Ellie at all.
However. I absolutely loved her performance of Ellie. She nailed the performance side so much that I could see past the visuals
bella looks exactly like ashley. i thought they aged up bella to play the mother of ellie and was shocked to learn she was her voice actor. perfect casting
get some glasses then
I've played through TLoU so many times. This was perfect. 11/10
My only gripe with the show is the amount of plot armor Joel has. I mean I get that he’s capable but almost at every chance (except when the plot needs it) he comes out unscathed. He fights the worst zombies, the most capable military people, raiders, snipers, and paramilitary groups and he just got perfect aim every time??? IDK, a bit too perfect at times, especially in the final episode.
Other than that (besides maaaaaybe the lack of zombie tension), I loved every minute of it.
Episode 3 was sooooo heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time. I love that we do get to see this “happy” story/ending in this effed up world. People just making it work, living full mundane lives and enjoying the little things, and then to be able to die on their own terms completely fulfilled! Gosh!! It was so good.
I hope she does a video on Yellowjackets someday
Longtime fan of the game, I was introduced to it by my husband as it is his all-time favorite game and story. Beyond happy with the way the show turned out and I totally agree with your points, I definitely wanted MORE but what we did get was really fantastic and I loved the choices they made to flesh the world out, expanding the lore and timeline.
Episode 3 was absolutely fantastic and had me sobbing for minutes on end afterword, it was such a beautiful story of love and the way it changes people and I think that's really what the show nailed. The show weaved the theme of love so thoroughly into the storyline, it was wonderful!
Lastly,
You put my thoughts about Kathleen into words completely. I loved seeing more organization and established characters to the kinds of people who set up elaborate traps for travelers and I understood her motivations. But much like you said, I constantly questioned WHY anyone would continue to follow along with a leader so laser focused on revenge for someone already dead and gone when there are bigger threats/problems on the horizon. Loyalty was likely key but it would take something pretty intense to earn loyalty that blind that the show never really sold me on her having accomplished anything worth that level of devotion.
Thanks for this video, I loved hearing your thoughts on the show as a whole with the little episodic breakdowns unlike individual episode to episode reactions.
I'm really burned out on zombie media, but this was just such a good show. Episode 3 will be always remembered.
Am I the only one who's having issues with the UA-cam compression algorithm constantly breaking during this video? Usually only happens when I'm watching speedruns.
I realize I'm late to this, but what kind of world do you want to build? Do you think the Fireflies are the ones to build it? The Fireflies are the people who don't recognize the value of a person. Is that the world you want to build?
The actress for Ellie hit those iconic game scenes moments perfectly
Love these breakdowns. It's really nice to see people's perspectives.
And while the show may go on some very interesting sequiturs or maybe non-sequiturs. It's a breath of fresh air of storytelling.
Sam's actor was deaf for real, and over time pretty much any crew or cast member who could find the time went and learned sign language from him/his interpreter.
The characters here feel more like real people than TWD.
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I could say so much about this series, but it just hit me SUPER-hard how aside from being father figures, David and Joel are the perfect example of why supposedly, "women like bad boys." That's been my life experience: the ones who seem too good to be true, are. The ones who are gruff or guarded and try to hide their emotions, are afraid of getting their feelings hurt, because they HAVE feelings TO hurt rather than just mimicking them.
There are exceptions to these two categories, but overall I've seen more decent men be nervous to let someone in because this world is so often cruel to the kind.
I loved the show, it was such a faithful adaptation of the game despite taking on its own identity. My critiques would be, firstly, I wish it would slow down. It went from basically cut scene to cutscene from the game making it seem a bit rushed and sacrificed the character development a tiny bit. I also wish there was more of the infected. I know the last of us is about people not zombies, but there could have been a bit more. Episode 2 was perfect even with one clicker. Ideally, they should have kept the sequence with the clickers in the sewers. Not only was it scary in the game, but also gave a tragic story of of a community of people including children hiding out and ultimately being overtaken by infection. This would have taken it a little bit further and added to the sheer horror of the infection.
Yeah it's really the last episode that let me down... the rest of the show was really good. I think they could have split the first game into two seasons but I'm not sure exactly where the season 1 climax would be, then.
I loved it but I agree there should have been wayyyy more infected scenes
i like that they showed that bit of the mom making marlene promise because i think its tryna show, or if not thats what im getting, that ellies mom would have done the same thing joel did
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I was happy about the deviations they made as an absolute dead on adaptation was tricky and made it work so well for both game fans and non-gamers alike.
Watching it again to help you out, but also because the video is good enough that I don't mind it.
I haven't seen or played either and don't I ever will but you're fun to listen to.
i just love Joel's stance of "f*ck the greater good" if it comes down to protecting the ones he loves. I think I would have very similar convictions in a world like that. or even in reality. and I always love to see that in protagonists of stories, instead of in the opposite: that the "good guys" would sacrifice their loved ones for the world and the villains prioritising their loved ones over everyone else is portrayed as their decent into villany.
it's what I love about stories and characters like bat man, about jessica jones and what I dislike about Harry Potter (specifically Albus Dumbledore) and other hero-villain stories.
Can you review Yellowjackets?
I'm a big fan of both games, and have always loved the entire story. I intentionally avoided any news about the show, as I didn't want to have much of any hype or expectations going in, not after being burned so many times in the past. The only things I ended up hearing about were from racists who were complaining about Sarah being black, and from lookists complaining about Ellie being "ugly", and who really cares about the opinions of people like that.
I finally watched the trailer the week before the first episode aired, and started feeling a little excited when I saw how the world looked.
I hadn't seen anything with Pedro or Bella before though, so I had no clue how they would do with the roles, especially as I felt that Ellie's character is the more difficult of the two.
Man did the show blow me away. I was so happy after watching the first episode, I couldn't believe just how fantastic it was. Even some of the little thing that only people who have played the game will really notice and appreciate, like that fake out when they were only nearly t-boned, which made me laugh so much because damn did they ever have me going there.
I absolutely love what they did with the show. There are a few scenes that I think the game did a little better, like when Joel decides to not have Tommy take Ellie, but most of the differences made in the show I found to be improvements. Like the fact that Joel is more emotionally intelligent in the show than he is in the game (that heart to heart with Tommy was masterful), and not as much of an asshole during the first 2/3, and how Bella is a much more realistic 14 year old.
It also took some time for me to really feel attached to Bella's Ellie, which I love as it is so well earned. I liked her well enough right away, but she was different enough from Ashley Johnson's portrayal of Ellie in the games that my attachment didn't just transfer over to the show (like how I immediately started crying in episode 9 as soon as I could hear "Ellie's" grunts).
By the ending of episode 5 though, I was just as attached to Bella's Ellie.
I can't wait for the next season. So far The Last of Us is easily my second favorite TV show of all time, and if the next season(s) are able to nail it the way this season did, it might end up being my #1.
Some folks have suggested that Ellie got infested by the knife that her mom used to kill the infected and then used to cut the cord. Makes sense. The knife and the cord are a lot closer in the time given then the bite on the leg.
The show that is so good it's worth talking about it twice
But where is your newscaster voice? Refreshing. This and RLM will tell me what to watch.
considering we're probably getting 2 seasons out of part 2, season one was tragically short.
I can’t wait for the HBO series of Crash Bandicoot
I never played the game and this show was so good and filled with surprises, I loved it i only wanted more, gonna have to play the game now
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't played the game since 2017. But, isn't there either three weeks or three months between the university and the confrontation with David? Three months where Ellie becomes a good hunter, and nurse where she learns to be independent? I honestly wish that was in the series. I'd totally watch her first rocky hunt followed by a montage of Ellie the hunter, taking care of the horse, and killing clickers. Even the mall shootout with David's men from the DLC would have been cool.
Anyway, this is a very minor gripe, but yeah. The idea that Joel is in fighting ability 1-4 days after being shot is unbelievable.
Gotta come back to this one, don’t have HBO but considering getting it to watch it and some other shows. It looks like a food series and I am a fan of both of these actors from GOT.
It’s worth the subscription they nailed everything perfectly even with the small changes it was balanced perfectly
I've never been to Zombie shows (or so I thought) and I'm not a gamer. I've heard about the game ofc and I knew the general premise of the story was quite good, but what mostly led me to watch the show is the cast (wink wink).
But I loved it so much!!!! The relationship between Joel and Ellie was epic the Frank and Bill episode was just wholesome.....
but I totally agree that the show and especially the finale was not flushed out. I was shocked when it ended... well that it ended xd I just needed more. It left me feeling unsatisfied.
I wanted more so I jumped onto the next Zombie show - The Walking Dead which was also available on HBO :D I started watching it the day after The Last of Us finale aired and I'm now on season 9!!
So I basically went from not liking Zombies to binge-watching zobie shows! :D
I really hope that the success of The Last of Us means that In The Flesh on BBC gets picked up again- it was cancelled way to soon and watching the last of us reminded me how good it was
I'm surprised she didn't mention that Dina cameo
Any cure the FF MIGHT have created would have been nothing but a means of holding humanity hostage to their demands. They're terrorists who recruit children. The way Marlene handles things reminded Joel who and what the FF were, Ellie's savior complex aside. Was she in a mental position to even be capable of understanding this? Who knows. So what do you do? You create a reality in which the person can live and gain enough life experience to have the perspective to understand, hopefully.
I also love esteemed character actor Melanie Lynskey! Are you watching the new season of Yellowjackets?
I played the last of us in a two day binge with my boyfriend this winter. It’s his favorite game of all time and he wanted me to experience it and it was absolutely fantastic. We were both so excited when the show came out. One aspect I’ve always loved, and thought they did an even better job with it in the show, was Ellie and the cannibals, especially the last scene where she kills David. With the way it was shot, and from our internal bias as a viewer, we think Joel is gonna show up in time to save her, to kill the big bad. But he doesn’t. It was such an incredibly devastating and shocking moment for me and I wonder if show-only peeps were feeling the same seeing that Joel didn’t quite make it in time.
i think they dropped the ball in that scene, only in changing when joel finds ellie, i thought waiting for it to happen when she is already outside and not mid butchering takes away the emotional punch. by still being a subversion of our bias, joel didnt showed up to save her from the big bad, he showed up to give her the emotional support she desperately needed in the moment. you not knwoing if she would have just keep swinging despite the fire spreading just because she is in such a trance. and joel being the one that takes her out of it, bulding on top of that emotional peak with "babygirl"
I loved the games and the show but man am i disappointed that they didnt give us more infected. The clickers and bloaters in the show were amazing but i wanted MOOOOREEEEEE. They better give us something really cool and scary in season 2... in the basement of a particular hospital.
I'm still gagging at some of the guest stars. Storm Reid? Ashley Johnson?! Rutina Wesly?!?! THE Laura Bailey?!
For me, the whole thing felt so rushed (whilst at the same time so slow because a whole lot of nothing could happen for long stretches at a time). Ultimately, I don't think they gave the necessary time to do justice to the heart of the story: Joel and Ellie (none of the emotional moments hit because it didn't felt believable that they would feel so deeply for one another given how little it had felt they had gone through). For that reason, I don't think it was a successful adaptation. They also didn't do the world justice because, generally, the feeling of dread just wasn't there. Omitting the Infected from the show as much as they did was a mistake, and same for action in general. Action isn't just pew pew, bang bang; it's conflict - conflict that would have done wonders for the development of our protagonists, both on an individual level and regarding their relationship.
That's the most consistent complaint. I've heard from fans and I agree as well that it wasn't long enough. . I think they were afraid of the video game adaptation curse and if they had made it too long people wouldn't be interested. But actually it was the opposite. I think more people would have appreciated A more fleshed out longer season. Hopefully they split part 2 × 2 seasons so we can really appreciate the game.
Cord blood is pretty powerful and newborns due gain certain antibodies through breastfeeding, so I really thought that was a pretty sound explanation for them to use.
I haven't played the game so its really interesting to hear all the changes made in the show. Even I could tell the series was too short, the finale left me like 🤨
I agree with your criticism of them speed running. My thinking is
Season 1 ends with Tess’s death
Season 2 ends with Joel reuniting with Tommy
Season 3 ends with Joel falling off the horse and passing out after getting impaled/stabbed
Season 4 ends with the Joel getting Ellie out of the hospital
Just expand on the game.
I agree with everything :)
"They too went west" lol
I enjoyed the show a lot. I didn't get to play the games until shortly before the show came out, and in spite of ultimately knowing almost everything that was going to happen, I still thought they did a great job and they managed to sucker punch me right in the feelings on a regular basis.
The show was definitely low-fat, but I think I'm OK with that. They largely just stuck to what they needed to keep the story moving. If you compare to the game, a lot of "missing" was the gameplay pieces... the wandering around the environments and the fights meant to keep the players involved. I was pretty fine with leaving that out because plugging in an infected fight just to plug in an infected fight could have just come across feeling like filler. So yeah... I do agree that it was a bit on the thin side, but thought they did a good job telling the story without a lot of diversions.
Curious to see how they handle Part II, both in terms of the story-telling format and if they'll put the effort into trying to make you empathize with Abby and question Ellie like they did in the game.
I also agree that I wanted more, not only because it felt rushed at times but *also* because I'm selfish & I wanted more of a good thing. Lol!
I find that when shows try do that, though, they give us junk filler episodes instead (I can think of a few from The Walking Dead), where the pacing is excruciatingly torturous and the episode winds up adding little to the development. So if show runners can give us more of something substantive, then yes! I'm all in. In practice though... haven't we all felt miffed at what we're given? I really wanted more time with Sam & Henry. Even Kathleen! Lol! It goes to show that I was able to come to care for those characters even with the short time we were given, but imagine if we'd gotten 1 more episode. I get what they were trying to do with Kathleen's character arc. Even if it was a male character, I still think that the character development for her was iffy. Like you said, we were fed that she was in power & smart enough to have overthrown FEDRA, but it wasn't sold to me. I could get behind the fast pace of how David got into power because there was enough dialog & (let's be real here) enough real-world sources of cultism that makes it believable how he got such a huge and loyal following. Characters like Kathleen & her brother, though, require more convincing. How did they outsmart FEDRA and get the masses behind them? Sure, they touch on it a little bit but it just didn't feel authentic. Even her bond with her brother felt force-fed. We got the little story when she was reminiscing in their old bedroom & that was it. It was a quick & touching story, but I needed more of that. Maybe a flashback of how, during the usurping, where she was the brains & he was the brawn. Idk... I think that part of the story was the most empty.
ThanksMuch!
I remember watching episode 3 with my aunt and when she looked at me when they first got together, I just said "hey, you know the gays move fast" and she just agreed lol
11:27 as a gay man, this was the average gay men meeting
A+
the last of us is nothing like TWD. I enjoyed the last of us and I barely made it through 3 episodes of TWD. 🤷♀
So I watched the show all the way through and also played the game. Mostly, I think the show did reasonably well (but) I think the show missed the mark on the sense of desperation (the killing someone for food) except for only a few scenes. Plus Bella Ramsey just didn't really do "it" for me - not for any political reason or her look or whatever she just didn't really feel right to me. Maybe if the desperation element was played more and harder, that opinion would have changed. Plus I'm from Pittsburgh and they changed that FOR NO REASON - I'm a little miffed
My main issue is that they rushed through it way too fast and decided to focus more on the side characters and fleshing them out instead of the main characters moving through those stories... every other minor complaint I had really is overshadowed by the fact that other than episode 1 and 2 (and I guess the final episode) they didnt give us as much time to bond with them through small moments as the game did so I feel if they did part 2 that the um- main plot point 🏌♀️ wont be as shocking and meaningful unless you were someone who played the games.
Omg that was the wallpaper in my kitchen growing up 😂🤣😂🤣 amazing!
We literally just watched that fake abc broadcast in my biology class! My teacher seemed to really like this shoe and how it was bringing awareness to cool fungi
Do they know how many times i had to fight David! 😂 I eventually lost interests and stopped playing for a few weeks. They made it too easy in the episode lol
I liked how they took the time to flesh out some of the doomed side characters, namely Sarah, Frank, Bill, Sam, Henry and Riley. Even though their deaths were inevitable, we still got to know and love them, and their deaths didn't feel cheap.
I completely agree with this
The Bill and Frank episode was so such a sweet romantic episode. It brought tears to my eyes by the end.
How’d I know you would be here. 🥔
@@tesstucker3311 Haha, we meet again, Tess! 😉🥔
@@craigh5236 and it gave us probably the only Happy ending we’ll ever see in TLOU as a whole
That scene where Joel admits that the coward that missed was him really got me
I love the characterization of Anna, that she's a bit like Joel. What would have happened if baby Ellie did turn out infected? And Marlene brought her into the QZ? Couldn't have been anything good. But to Anna, her baby mattered more than anyone's. She lied about when she was bit and pushed Marlene to give Ellie her best chance of survival.
I'm not a parent but I think any (good) parent would do the same as both Anna and Joel, protect their child at any cost
Someone said she wasn't actually bit. She just used a knife that was infected to cut Ellies cord. Since the knife was used to kill an infected
@Flutter G Anna was definitely bit, but if you mean the possible sources for Ellie's immunity, I also agree with it being from the contaminated knife.
@@icymoons I haven't watched the show yet. I'm just repeating what someone said lol
but even if the baby turned out infected XD nothing would happen. is the newborn baby gonna go on a rampage? No.
The argument that Joel shouldn’t have saved Ellie from the fireflies because she would have WANTED to sacrifice herself frustrates me, simply because *the fireflies didn't give her a choice, either.* they deliberately lied to her about what was happening, meaning she couldn't have given informed consent-- she wasn't going to sacrifice anything, they were *taking* it from her.
If Joel woke up and found out that this was Ellie's choice, maybe saw that she signed a waver or left him a goodbye note, and THEN went on a rampage to keep the surgery from happening? I would have hated him and 100% been on the bandwagon for treating him as some selfish prick who stole the meaning of her life away. But as it stands, she *didn't* chose to die on that table, and he gave her a chance to live on and serve her community some other way, but in a way of HER EXPLICIT CHOOSING.
I don't believe he's the villain the writers think they've written. I don't believe the Fireflies are the force of world-saving good they could have been. They never gave Ellie a choice, and Joel's response was appropriate imo.
Joel isn’t meant to be a villain just a complex person who made a dubious yet understandable choice
I mean…she’s 14 with a martyr complex. What informed consent could she give?
Joel’s choice tbh is always one I’ve thought of as “the right choice for the wrong reasons” or an accidental right choice. He didn’t save Ellie because he doubted the cure, but rather because of HER, which makes his motives not the right ones
The writers haven't written him as a villain, that was never their intent. Like most everyone else in the story, he is neither a hero or villain, just a survivor doing what he believes is right.
You say the fireflies don't give Ellie a choice but Joel doesn't give her a choice either, and completely manipulates her reality into making her believe she doesn't have a choice and that there is no hope for a cure. It really depends on your definition of a villain and how many wrongs someone has to commit to be considered one, but in my view both the fireflies and Joel have their reasons and their faults. Saying Joel's response was the 'right' one completely disregards his removal of Ellie's agency and also the fact that he basically doomed the world (particularly considering the fact that in the show, unlike the game which is ambiguous, makes it very clear that the doctors are able to extract a cure from Ellie). We can sympathise with Joel's decision without absolving him of blame.
@@violetlavi2207 Literally came here to say this, there is no consenting for her in this situation
I actually thought Bella looked SPOT ON for Ellie looks-wise and I didn't realize HOW MUCH she looked like Ashley (The original actor for Ellie) until I saw her in the show. I mean...I almost thought they'd aged up Bella and transposed her face over someone else until I realized it was Ashley.
On the subject of Bill and Frank. To us that romance did seem fast but it's the end of the world. And they've both been very alone. In a world where you could die tomorrow, you take the moment in full.
Though, I thought that Frank was actually sick and just didn't want to decline further. But it's possible I inferred wrong.
Furthermore, ahem.
THAT WAS TERRA ROM TRUE BLOOD? THAT WENT RIGHT OVER MY HEAD BUT I SEE IT NOW! (What would I do without Amanda?)
it was such amazingly serendipitous that the voice actress for game Ellie, who plays Ellie's mom in the show, actually looks JUST LIKE HER. i didn't realize who she was at first and thought she was cast for her resemblance
Ellie and Joel's relationship is the heart and soul of the show. Bella and Pedro bring them to life spectacularly, and I love that they act as a surrogate family for each other.
What show did you watch? WTF? They have exactly ZERO chemistry, largely because Ramsey has the acting range of a block of wood. 98% of their bonding time is skipped on top which makes all the big moments completely meaningless "you're the only one that hasn't left me!" (you've just fkn met). "I'm not your daddy... but I'm sooooooo sowwy :(" Joel in the game was super harsh and horrible to try and push her away, not apologetic. When Ellie said that in game she meant it, he was everything she got and they went through hell together, and he was always there for her even if it was reluctantly at first.
There was NO relationship between the two. And they turned Ellie from the most sympathetic, smart and lovable kid into an annoying, bratty 12 year old that talks and acts like a mean boy bully who's daddy owns the place. Not like the orphan in a horrifically scary post apocalypse, trying to make the best of it, the naive, vulnerable but when it comes to it insanely brave ellie we all know and love.
Oh look an incel dudebro mad about Ellie not looking just like the one in the game. How rare!
About the letter not being in the show it kind of was but we never saw it. Ashley Johnson said this in the official HBO podcast after the episode; “There's a letter that Anna writes that Ellie keeps in her backpack. And I wrote that letter out and just kept it in my pocket as kind of a reminder to myself of where this character came from.” Whether Neil and Craig decide to officially add it to the show, because it sounds like it's just something Ashley did, who knows but the fact it was there the entire time just reminds me why I like Ashley so much.