Enterprise NX-01 final Xindi battle
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The shot of the aquatic ship breaking up actually looks extremely good for the time this was made
It does. Also its terrifying. If you think about, that water expands when its frozen, it means the crew was most likely crushed to death.
I actually then felt sorry for them to loose their lives when the ship broke up :(
Absolutely horrifying sight.
Because "the time it was made" already was future time you tool.
I'd say the whole battle looks incredible for the time, and holds up today.
Shame the show was cancelled. The Xindi arc really seemed to revive the show
They really had to do that temporal cold war thing 🤦♂️
@@ramirowendler They lost me there too.
@@ramirowendler, Now, you're certainly not suggesting that we should have been denied seeing Daniels numerous times, are you? I thought his Michelin Man suit was pretty boss.
Temporal cold war was stupid.
@@aznthy I agree, but I liked the Xindi and their politics and seeing original designs like the Aquatics and their language. I think the show just needed SOMETHING that made it feel like it was exploring something different.
I would have loved if Season 5-6 was the Earth-Romulan war arc and then Season 7 was the building of the Federation
That was the original plan and if u wan to see the continuation of the War, there is a book about it.
I think it would make more sense for season 5 to be another exploration season with building up the Romulans in the background, and then 6 and 7 be the Earth-Romulan War
@@procyon6370 That makes a lot more sense. Season 5 being "planet/species/forehead of the week" episodes like on TNG.
Yeah, plus then the seasons are:
S1: 2151-2152
S2: 2152-2153
S3: 2153-2154
S4: 2154-2155
S5: 2155-2156
S6: 2157-2158
S7: 2159-2160
Biggest missed opportunity in all of Star Trek history
What I loved about the Xindi arc especially in the latter parts of the season is that the NX-01 just took more and more damage and they showed it, and continued to show it between episodes, the ship looked like it was barely holding together. And the crew too were run ragged; fighting to stop the Xindi with anything they had.
Yea after some battles is looked like it had just as much damage as voyager after the Year of Hell
This is what made Enterprise great and could have made voyager great as well, to step down from their episodic approach.
Well not the Xindi, the sphere builds and Dolim.
At this point Archer has convinced the other Xindi that they were wrong .
The Aquatic Ship actually looks cool.
@@michellebrown4903 You assume an aquatic ship would be designed the same way a Federation Starship interior would be designed. This is why you cannot see how it could be pulled off. You also assume that the aquatics have the smae abilities that aquatic animals have on Earth. Clearly they are a far more advanced species, and who is to say that they did not work with the Arboreals to build the ship or any other Xindi species?
I fly one in Star Trek Online. It's a beast of a ship and packs a hell of a punch while looking fabulous!
@@michellebrown4903 You have to consider how much resources are trapped underwater that humans have never attempted to access (outside of oil). If the Aquatics didn't have this limitation... I'd imagine it would be pretty easy - if not even _easier_ - than it is for humans and other land-dwelling creatures, because they could literally build a terrestrial space dock. If they can figure out how to make a ship fly... the rest is simple (in the sci-fi sense).
I always loved the aquatic ship.
@@michellebrown4903 ok dream killer
Genuinely didn't notice you could see stars through the hull breaches! That means they tore cleanly through at least 3 decks!!!
Probably a rendering error but in universe thats cool as fuck.
I love how they beat that ship up
@@beepthemeep12 Nope, that hull breach was clearly visible even during the Battle of Azati Prime. It definitely went right through.
@@builder396 then thats so cool
The NX-01 was just built different. No shields, just magnetized hull plating and bulkheads...got holes blown through it, all the way through and didn't blow up and remained not only salvageable, but went through this whole battle taking more of a beating and not only survived but won. That was a hell of a tough ship.
They probably put a real emphasis on structural integrity.
Meanwhile in TNG ... A scratch on a warp nacelle and the ship goes 💥 ... 😅
@@mysticmarble94 Indeed. When the Enterprise D went down, it took barely 10% of the damage the NX-01 took and of course they lose the engine section of the ship due to warp core breech. It just doesn't make much sense, other than after ship shields were developed that they went away from magnetized hull plating and focused less on structural integrity.
Spot on, this.
Reminded me of that one Miranda Class Ship in DS9, surrounded by a dozen Cardassian Weapons Platforms, taking hit after hit after hit.. only after the twentieth hit did it finally start exploding. Meanwhile Galaxies, Nebulas, Akiras and Excelsiors were blowing up after 3 or 4 hits…
I want that Miranda.
One of the things I liked about "Enterprise" was the battle scenes. In TOS and Next Generation, battles were always fought with ships basically holding position and trading shots to see who had the best weapons/shielding. In "Enterprise" they showed the ship actually flying and maneuvering to not only avoid enemy fire but also to place themselves in the best position to fire on the enemy. Much more realistic!
Enterprise was the first show where all the ships were computer-generated. In TOS, the ship was always shot from the starboard side because all the wiring on the model was on the port side. And the model for the Enterprise in Next Generation was usually upside-down! With no need to mount the models, they had a lot more freedom in planning battles.
Ya it was also budget limits. In multiple interviews creators /director/ special effects artists on TOS TNG really wanted to give us more ships but they didn’t have the budget or the time frame between episodes to make it happen unfortunately. I will say to some degree I miss the model shots over the cgi shots at times. The models gave the ship a realistic look that’s been lost in cgi
also at the same time while there was starfleet there wasnt a federation like this dates pre captain/admiral pike and captain kirk but i think this is what set the scene for the newer design of the uss enterprise that is seen in the kelvin timeline and even in discovery and the star trek series that follows pike as captain of the enterprise before he became a admiral and james t kirk became captain of the enterprise
Pointless, really. There really isn't much practical purpose to maneuvering in space. Aiming systems can adjust much faster than ships can move, and there's usually nothing to hide behind. Getting behind somebody might (or might not) be worthwhile, but it would take so long, the battle would probably be over by then.
I think DS9 had that beat, Sacrifice of Angels, anyone?
Back when battle formations and movements made sense and were easier to follow, but still looked cool!
1:12 Aquatic ship be even x2 larger than the Enterprise-E. Suppose it would need to be to hold all that water and the size of the species themselves to live in comfort. Impressive.
What’s so strange is that back in the 2000s the Xindi Arc was the most evolved plot line that was continuous over any incarnation of Trek other than DS9. The Xindi Arc ran over one season and had a mix of continuous and standalone episodes - in essence what Prodigy, Discovery and Picard are doing now. In essence the change in Enterprise revitalised the show and paved the way for shows like BSG (2003/2004-2010) and others to do long missions where they have limited resources and such. However, it’s ultimately what killed it. I remember after Season 3 aired the comment boards on ST official website said they hated the Season and wanted it to be back to standalone episodes. And now almost 16 years after the show aired people love and clamour over the third Season. I loved Season 3 from the go, it was so refreshing and so great to see a ship that didn’t repair it self so quickly week in and out. It had actual threats and continuous battle damage - which is what BSG (2003/2004-2010) ended up doing as well.
Sorry but the orginal Battlestar Galatica (1979) Lorne Greene as Adama. Is the first show of long missions , limited supplies. But they did forget to do any permanent damage to the ship.
@@lonknight3197 Yes but that original show didn't involve Ron D Moore whom was a writer and ex producer for TNG, DS9, VOY and eventually BSG 03/04. He was the one pushing for it in Trek with VOY with the Year of Hell two-parter - which was originally supposed to be a year-long event.
It finally got around to a season-long story line with continuous battle damage in ENT. BSG 79 had aliens, planetary resources and despite being a single storyline and limited resources they didn't look like they were starving and struggling. ENT and BSG 03/04 did that.
Cause you frickin' fricks just can't ever be quenched
The Xindi arc could have been replaced by the Earth-Romulan War. The showrunners wasted the opportunity.
Enterprise ultimately failed because of lack of support from the network. Seasons 1 and 2 were weak, but so were TNG's. If TNG had been treated the same as Enterprise it wouldn't have lasted past season 4.
One thing that was a problem for serialized television was the requirement for 25 episode seasons. You can't sustain an engaging story over 25 episodes without a LOT of filler and sidebar episodes. The shorter episodes of modern Trek definitely lend themselves to serialized storytelling.
However, Season 4 of Enterprise was fantastic and it is almost criminal that the network put it on Friday nights. The 3-part stories were perfect and more engaging than self-contained episodes without the long term commitment of the Xindi arc.
Should have had another 3 seasons, great show!!
"We can't sir... The Aquatics are protecting them"
*The best shot of this battle*
They must have been so proud of their CGI at the time... when the ships get torn apart by the space cloud thingies... so much detail... worth a slow-mo... future of animation right here folks...
The NX-01 is my favorite human ship design in all of star trek. They also made that whole show feel way more real than any other star trek I've seen.
I love the style of the Arboreal & aquatic ships. Enterprise has hands down the best ship designs of the Star Trek shows I grew up with. Tech now has definitely made it even better but 20-30 years ago when these shows were still on enterprise had the most cutting edge special effects!
The designers also got way more opportunities for alien ships which is still missing from the new shows even!
Enterprise had it's flaws, but damn those space battles were feckin cool as hell.
This show was much better than it was given credit for.
Man I just absolutely love the Aquatic ship design
Oh how I miss older star trek battles 💚
The Orville did a few good ones, they scratched my Trek ich at least, the final battle against the Kylon being one.
I forgot how cool this battle was! Enterprise, the last great Star Trek!
And after this we never hear of the subspace aperture travel again.
The Aquatics got done dirty in this battle.
Why did they cancel this show? The space battles are amazing!
Chris The Science Guy, Because of the animus for the franchise, by an accursed pos named Moonves. That's about it.
Like most treks seasons 1 and 2 took some time finding an identity, which wasn't helped by the time travel stuff. And by season four it wasn't pulling in the ratings.
bad channel and broadcast time
@@shadowofhawk55 I personally really liked the early Enterprise seasons. Perhaps I just really got into the whole early space pioneer thing. The Temporal Cold War I could have done without but the rest was fine.
@@AdmiralKarelia Same here, I am just saying the standard Trek issues
It still amazes me that he could convince them to turn their back on their own people after all they went through. He's one of my favorite captains
Top top top top top incredible effects for 2003!!! ❤️❤️❤️
All I know NX ship can take quite a beating. Miss this show.
I honestly feel this was the best star trek show made till date.
It had the exact right combination of single episodes and story arcs, science and action as well. The battles are visually great, but not overly flashy.
Discovery, Pickard and now strange new world all 3 are worse. Strange new worlds being the best of the three, but lacking an overarching story.
If next season, they would add a real story arc which connects the episodes more, it would become more engaging.
My biggest problem with enterprise was the huge amount of time travelling.
I think I would've had fewer time-travelling episodes (though I did like T'Pol giving old Loomis that neck pinch and showing him her phase pistol when he lit up his cigarette. I've felt like doing the same when someone lights up near me. She wasn't trying to be human at all, just trying to fit it with the crew. If loneliness is an emotion she admitted to Trip and Hawkins that Vulcans could feel, then she like Spock and Saavik could feel it too. She also missed her mother, baby Elizabeth, and Trip in such a short time, grief and guilt were also emotions T'Pol felt as well.
Travis really is one hell of a driver, isn't he?! 👍🏻👍🏻
A tense moment in the series and GREAT BATTLE SCENES where are they in PICARD and Discovery how old is the technology YET IT IS GREAT like in DS9 battle scenes
I LOVE this scene. Enterprise emerging from the Aquatic ship with phasers firing, a determined Archer standing on the bridge while it explodes behind him ordering Mayweather to make a beeline for the Xindi weapon....
I've had the privilege to experience ALL of the Star Trek
mutations {most of the print}...THIS one is my favorite.
Great battle scenes. Still so much better than STD and Picard.
This battle looks verY REAL REALISTIC IN A WAY IT FELT PERSONAL
Man the Enterprise really took a beating during the Xindi saga…..
Understatement of the century! My guys were running on low Health Bar the entire arc and still pulled throught! THE best Season of Enterprise bar none!
That regenerative plot armor sure can take a pounding.
be quiet or the wee brains will explode
I really liked the aquatic aliens they were pretty cool.
I love Star Trek: Enterprise
Goddamn, the Enterprise NX is hanging on by plot shields and a prayer.
This battle reminds me of Sector 001 from First Contact. I love how it looks.
This was the pinnacle of Berman Trek. Not surprised it got cancelled
Those tri-shape ships remind me of those Chig fighters from "Space: Above and Beyond"
The Xindi were right to "fear" the humans. That one ship from a species that only stepped into the cosmos barely a century prior was able travel through the expanse and caused this much trouble.
I don’t know whose ships were being portrayed, but there was one type, enemy vessels in guessing (as Enterprise fired on them), that looked a lot like the Chig fighters from another great and cancelled prematurely sci-fi series, Space Above & Beyond. It aired about 25 years ago for just one season.
i know the show, watched it long ago too. the ships you described were probably the Insectoid faction.....same ones that pummeled Enterprise in the half way point (one of those mid season finales i so hate) thus losing quite a few crew....
Yeah think the Chig ones were black though and had a more pointed front part but they look similar.
THANK YOU for that long forgot experience !!
Mimbari fighter?
Anybody notice how the Xindi superweapon kind of looked like a futuristic Borg sphere?
I was thinking Death Star.
Futuristic Borg Death Star with gyroscopic rings.
Yeah very cool deathstar...
I feel like the first few seconds of this clip should be accompanied by the sounds of crumpling of metal, a dying motor and a car backfiring. LMAO
Love the Aquatics ship
fine ill rewatch enterprise. god i miss this story arc...
Space: Really Really Big!
Enterprise: Drive closer, I can't see them out the window.
Little tough ship the NX-01
I was thinking the same. You see the battle scars on her. The only other ship I can remember looking like that and still more or less functional was Voyager in Year of Hell. You can bet that the 1701-D wouldn't have done as well.
@@OptimusWombat some people wanted Voyager to have battle damage through out the entire show but I suppose Voyager was able to find friendly races and borrow a repair facility for a few days and trade some stuff they could replace easy as a payment
@@Groza_Dallocort, Regarding The Year of Hell, I believe B & B did initially intend that the story would be a season long arc (or the better part of that term), but the network suits put the kibosh on the plan, so while very memorably entertaining, as a two-parter, the venerable reset button was wielded, once more.
@@mitchellmelkin4078 yeah i've also heard something that it was supposed to be a season long arc
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How is it a battered and fragile ship like the NX Enterprise has more kills in one show than the Galaxy-class Enterprise-D and Defiant had in their whole career?
The other ships are fragile, too, save for some like the Xindi Aquatic ships. Enterprise takes out one of the xindi insectoid ships in one shot (though it could had been weakened)
Well for the time the NX was a powerful ship that could take hits. Without shield they needed to beef up the armour so it could take as much as it could dish out.
Also most of the Xinda ships were weaker than the NX.
Unlike the federation ships in the 24th century that were basically glass canons. An over-reliance on there tech.
To be fair though Starfleet during the NX days were still thinking more military style despite going out for piece.
Starfleet in the 24 century were not and design the ships that could defend themselves but nothing for long engagements. But that started to change because of the dominiom war.
Whatchu talkin bout Willis? The Defiant had LOTS of kills.
Uh, the Defiant had a lot of kills.
This Arc is what saved Enterprise IMO.
Im just getting into this show! Theyre far more gullible than later generations.
That aquatic ship dying hurt :(
I liked the part with the Phasers.
Since the Xindi are part of the Federation, is it possible to use the Aguaticos ship to transport 2 defiant?
This series was amazing. The Xindi story made season 3 very interesting. To me this show is like classic Star Trek. Which makes it tonnes better than Discovery and Picard.
Such a ahame this show got cut loose right as it was hitting its stride
Crazy how Enterprise can still fly. And how are the nacelles untouched too?
So with the uss viper needing a new Back Lets look at some other great ships
This is the nx-01 the first enterprise of starships
First long distance cruiser for its time
pew pew pew
The only thing much worse than the Xindi arc was the "actor" Travis.
bro i thought the thumbnail was a borg sphere XD
All the episodes involving the Xindi just simply annoyed the hell out of me because of that gigantic plot hole.
Why would the Xindi test a small version of their Powerful Secret Weapon on the target world (Earth) instead of some remote planetoid ?
Anyone else get B5 White Star vibes off the Aquatic ship?
People always ask why this show was cancelled.
Downloads.
Everyone I know watched it, but almost all of them downloaded it or has someone else download it for them.
If this was a streaming show in 2021 it would absolutely be a winner.
Les Moonves had it cancelled, actually, when it had more than enough viewers to justify remaining on air.
@@Idazmi7 The end of UPN brought it down. Did Moonves cause that?
@@williammaddock9179
Of all things, a Star Trek show can definitely survive a network change. Moonves was known to have a personal distaste for the Star Trek brand.
@@Idazmi7, You're exactly on target. I find it hard to credit that he wasn't throughly aware that the actual size of the viewership was considerably more than the standard ratings metrics showed. It was the beginning of the time when an offering could be viewed by other means, though I will grant that there probably weren't many folks watching on DVR. However, the show hardly had a consistent air schedule on UPN, such as it was, at that point. One needed to account for a very bifurcated rendering of the total number of first-run viewers, aggregating a number of differing time slots, among other things to be figured in.
Moonves chose the obvious and still accepted rating structure to apply the coup de grace. Even worse though, IMO, was his callous and cynical manipulation to restore the IP, when it suited him, all to salvage a streaming service that still appears to be a losing proposition (even with a shiny new moniker). That's another story entirely, certainly, which is best suited for another post.
They didn’t have Netflix back then. This show was only on TV in North America and some parts in Europe. The rest of the world had to rely on downloads.
Looks like the Xindi got some Borg technology somehow? 🎉
Pew pew, bang bang
Ladies and gentlemen tonight the role of enterprise shall be played by a pile of tin cans stuffed inside a rusted out ford pinto...and now the conclusion!
Noticeably the insectoid ships are quite fragile and their weapons are inaccurate. Most of the ships destroyed were the insectoids
I loved how the aquatic's ship can treat Enterprise like it's just a shuttle in it's hangar bay haha
Surely this is the next-to-final battle?
Oh, those poor Aquatics.
The one thing new trek really doesn't do any where near as good as old trek. Sacrifice of Angels and this battle are still vastly superior to crazy cgi on the new show's, with spinning ships, flipping ships and things floating about all over the place lol.
Finger Guns set to Full: Pew! pew! pew!
Sorry for this buzz kill question....
The Science used to create internal Ship gravity and Warp engines, and no one came up with an idea for weapons using
such tech? No separate space beings ever applied the idea of a suicide bomb/ship? Is it some failure on the part of the
Humanoid condition, some sacred promotion, function follows form....alien means what, the same everywhere, looks like.
Still don't get how the NX class was so powerful Even the Borg were like 👀
The first NX class ship was built for exploring all sorts of places, and it's design was very resilient, after the xindi attack on earth its armor and weapons were improved, more important, at that time, earth only had two or three starships, the enterprise and some "big shuttle like" ships with weapons. So they had to make sure to keep those ships.
What episode is this from?
I question this serious as is this the only federation ship that they built?
1:25 Can anyone tell me what's that orange thing?
It does.
Nice earth defences….
They should have kept Trip alive, what was the point of killing off such a great character.
Outer space sure is loud.
What the?
Are they attacking the MST3K planet? 😃
I wonder what happens to the uneaten food. They don't have replicators so I guess they throw it away? That sucks.
I imagine they had some form of refrigerator and a reheating unit. Since they had to actually cook. Logically officers, especially, couldn't call the kitchens for every drink or meal or snack.
"Protein resequencers." Make supplementary foods, boots, simple goods.
Anybody know how large the Xindi weapon is supposed to be??
Tough litte ship
What happened !?
I really like seasons 1 & 2 of Enterprise but season 3 was a great change of pace. Enterprise was ahead of it’s time because things like the Xindi arc are what modern Trek shows do now. Sadly, people weren’t accepting of the change which upsets me because it’s one of my favorite seasons of Trek.
The aquatics are really bad at designing ships. Why would you put giant glass windows on your ships? Just to make your ships look like giant fish tanks?
I remember reading somewhere that they were extremely claustrophobic and required lots of space to move around, which is why their ships are so big and why they needed windows to look out of.
@@akiramasashi9317 there is nothing to lookout in space. They be better off by placing giant reflective mirrors in side there ships, or out paintings.
The problem with the Xindi arc was (1) it was out of nowhere as far as Trek canon, (2) the resolution was predetermined by the fact that TOS existed, and (3) it was clear from the first few episodes we were gonna get slow-played and teased and made to wait for a story resolution at the end of the whole frikken season. There were some very fine battles and episodes in the Xindi season but overall it was a slog to get to the point where we could see the last episode (teased, of course, by the episode where Earth is destroyed but then they time-mumbo-jumbo their way back out of it). Babylon 5 did it first with the advantage that nobody knew where it would ultimately be going, and BSG pretty much had the same advantage. With the Xindi we knew from the first scene of the season the Xindi were going to try to destroy Earth and would have to be found and stopped somehow. With the other shows we really didn't know what the endgame was that we were waiting for, so even though it was building incrementally we could take each episode on its own. I much preferred the 2-3 episode arcs that Enterprise sometimes did to get a more involved story. The series penultimate two-parter about the terrorists on Mars was one of the best stories of the whole show, and they hit that bar earlier maybe the series would have gotten another season or five.
I do not think the Xindi Arc was planned
Sept 11 happened then they came up with this Xindi War
it was only clear what was going on in that battle occasionally - Enterprise seemed to have no objective or follow any battleplan - battle was a random dogfight until Xindi warp out
@@Endeavour255 - I do see other ships covering Enterprise a few times but it is never clear what Enterprise is trying to do
@@FandersonUfo
They are trying to disable the weapon by destroying its generators essential for its primary function. Of the attacking Xindi/Human fleet, only the Aquatics were better armed than Enterprise, which was more agile.
96 great episodes.
imagine how awesome a 5th or 6th Season could have been, if toxic fanboys haven't got the show canceled
"Toxic fanboys" had nothing to do with it. Les Moonves did.
@@Idazmi7 Unless he caused the collapse of the network the show was on, he's not your culprit. UPN was not going to survive, so Enterprise was not going to survive.
@@williammaddock9179
Bad logic: a show as big a Star Trek (second only to Star Wars) can easily survive a network change. Les Moonves didn't want the show to continue. He was known to have a personal distaste for the franchise.
@@Idazmi7 Enterprise was struggling in the ratings, though. Sure, Paramount might have been able to get it out for a while longer, but with the ratings struggle that would have been a fight. The death of the network sealed the death of the show.
@@williammaddock9179
_"Enterprise was struggling in the ratings, though. (...)"_
A commonly recurring myth. The original Star Trek's run is 'well known' to have struggled (it didn't), and the original Star Trek movie is also 'well known' to have struggled (it didn't - it just had a ridiculous budget). Enterprise wasn't struggling: _it wasn't doing as well as previous Star Trek shows._ Ironically, it did better in it's worst season than Discovery has done in it's best, but *that* is still in production.
A proper Star Trek show like _Enterprise_ isn't reliant on the network's survival: put it on another network and it *will* sell.
You know I never liked the time travel arcs, individual episodes I could work around
But like this one where the point is to destroy humanity so the federation doesn't exist 500 years later
Why go to this point in time why not go back to when life was first forming and simply drop a bunch of bleach in the ocean, real quick no must no fuss no intricate plans that require hundreds of thousands of steps
And now you got Picard, after the boring, unwatchable nonsense of Discovery.
Are you happy now?
Ok this clip makes no sense. You are traveling to a place you know that and you would have known when you will arrive. On getting there you know you are going to fight a battle. So instead of making sure everything is ready checking to see everyone knows their jobs double checking your plans. Your three most senior people the captain his first officer and the chief engineer are having a nice meal. When someone calls to say you are there.
Maybe this is how the real American army works.
Spectacular achievement is always preceded by unspectacular preparation. They'd already planned and prepared for the altercation and were waiting inside an alien ship to get released right on top of the Spherebuilders' pawns. What's your beef with given them a chance to finally eat a steak?
borg spear?
its a Xindi superweapon, aka planet killer ship. The tech was developed with the xindi and spherebuilders help.
German: Xindl
Didn't like the Xindi arc. It was fun but it wasn't what we needed. Then in the end when they got to Earth it just dumped all the Xindi stuff for a time paradox. Awful. Would have liked it to stay in the right time and at least get an ep where Earth and Xindi open first dialogs.
I think dumping the time travel crap for the Earth-Romulan war would have given it a few more seasons.
I absolutely hate time travel stories. almost all of them are poorly written and suck from beginning to end. I enjoyed the show until the whole time travel cold war and Xindi arc started. Then I couldn't be bothered to watch it at all.
Daehawk, Yes, the Xindi did join the Federation (the actual drawing up of which, was still 5 or 6 years off), but trying to sort out when that happened, would be quite speculative. I would find it hard to credit that any true dialogue would take place for quite awhile, though. First, the Xindi political order would need time to settle into its new composition, with the Reptilians brought down several notches. Also, I think Earth would hesitate to seek them out closely, if for no other reason than their likely needing to be a decent interval, before many humans would look favorably on so seriously dealing with the species' that very nearly destroyed Earth (even with the caveat of the Xindi being deceived, being widely disseminated). As we saw in the final episodes, leading to Terra Firma, there was a nativist movement abroad, about a year later, that would have taken much greater action against such a foray, seeing how dead set it was with even the Vulcans staying around.
@@SteveGerencser Time travel is *SUCH* a lazy gimmick. It really has no place in *space* sci-fi, and needs to be handled as a genre on its own. ='[.]'=
No, the Xindi Arc KILLED the show BEING a prequel everybody KNEW the outcome - the Earth will not be destroyed anyway becouse Kirk and Spock existed.IF the wanted to make a difference they had to make a like Abrams and make a new timeline BUT look how much that critic got. Okay JJ made it good idea very bad.
The Flaw was already in the first seasion - the should made it nearly on Earth. There had been good scripts for that - the episode about early warpship testing was one of it. Even the hole character of Ensign Maywheater based on it bringing a "real space kid" to the starfleet. We would had witness his final year in the academy and why he was qualified to become helmsman on the NX 01. Also seeing Archer be the captain on a NX Delta. And much more. All that was chancelled for the Temporal Cold War which should be a very much a spy story of the in the 1950ies or 1960ies style. The suliban were able to look like humans and like in Ds9 when the formshifters infiltrated the Earth a lot of that story could have been so Earth.
The should made the Romulan War instead of the Xindi Arc and how Earth stumbles into it.
That was the threat of the Xindi Arc, since the last episode of S2. That the timeline is changing, a Xindi conflict isn't even known to the future, so the risk of a new timeline was there.
Honestly they should had dealt with something that other trek shows didn't show. Ever notice how Alpha Centauri is never referenced in trek beyond Cochrane of Centauri? Maybe it got utterly destroyed. Maybe they could had threatened parts of earth instead, post-ww3 stuff that's jjust on its feet but isn't even mentioned in the show afterwards - a lot of Asia isn't, the east coast, so on.