6 hour endurance race. BUT! The 5 slowest cars (least laps) are eliminated at the end of the hour. 30 car field is cut to 10 cars for the final hour. Edit: Eliminated cars are then crushed by monster trucks during the pit time. BOOM. Keeps car costs down. Also, no eliminations after the first hour. So everybody gets to pit once.
You could throw in bicycle night for the kids and let them race around a course for a prize. I always loved that when I was a kid and it seemed to bring out more ppl .
Hey Cleet! Consider 3x 8HR races!!! Call it the MAD tournament. (Midnight, Afternoon, Day) all the shift working viewers will love it! Teams need 3 drivers to complete as many laps as they can in 3 races. -Day 1 , midnight race goes 11p-7a, they get 8hr downtime to fix stuff -Day 2, Afternoon race goes 3-11p, again 8hr of downtime -Day 3, Day race goes 7a-3p If a team completely breaks their car (trans/engine go boom), they get to bring a backup car BUT can only swap out between days. Team with the most laps at the end of the 3 races wins.
agreed, 6 is a little to short. maybe 8 or 10. 8 is your typical work shift. 2 drivers can bang out 4 each. Would be able to do it during daylight and have spectators out. 8 hours on a saturday can make for one hell of an event!
@@IAMBrandon_JNI actually disagree. Some of the folks that would help sell this event out and be participants are those with regular jobs. 6 hours is a doable weekend trip. But honestly, I think if it’s a 30 car field, limit it to 15 UA-camrs that have 100K+ subs. That way the smaller more normal guys that would run this kind of a race have a chance of being chosen to participate. Plus when you get to 8 hours plus for time, spectators are gonna get tired, sleepy, cranky, kids are gonna throw fits and have everyone around them bitching. And refreshment costs are REALLY gonna go up with a longer race like that.
8 hours each team gets scheduled pit time with a real pit crew on a pre determined set lap or something like that maybe a couple real crews 50k plus a badass trophy that gets passed on each year 8 hour de mcfarlands Grand Prix maybe even run a weird weird layout going through burnout pads make it interesting
First off, turn that big ol field out front into a rallycross track. You ever seen a galaxie go offroading? It's magic!! As to your issue with slow cars coming out to an endurance, teams have to qualify with a minimum average time and maintain it through the competition. Say a crown Vic averages a 21 sec time so then they can't sand bag. Gas has to be in a factory tank or specific size fuel cell.
Rallycross and barrel racing, Thunda needs to be put to work on dirt like any good ute. Swear to god, ute barrel racing is the most entertaining thing I’ve seen in a long time
Check out the IMSA rule book. There are probably a lot of standardization rules they use to even up a field. Also, you should do classes just like IMSA to separate the V8s and V6s (maybe I6s as well). The difference in fuel consumption and obviously power is too great between those two engine types. Run a multi-class field where they all run at the same time.
A minimum weight limit solves some of the mentioned issues. A "forced to sell" at a set price if a willing buyer shows up can stop any attempt to "pay to win".
Do it like lemon rules, excluding safety stuff the car can’t exceed a certain cost. The overall winner gets to buy any car on the grid for the value they registered it as, so if they tell porkies about how much it costs and they don’t win? They’ll lose their car AND money Also the whole B-S demerit scheme should be implemented, “My mate installed it for free so I didn’t count the cost” = BS demerits.
Maybe look at Champcar Endurance racing rules. Max size limit for fuel tank. Mandatory pit/driver change every 2 hrs. 4 man driving team max. Magnet timer starts (stuck on car) at beginning of pit lane, with a minimum pit time (usually plenty of time to fuel, change driver, change tire, minor repairs, etc) Champcar runs 10hrs Saturday, and 7-8 hrs Sunday. Add 2 days points together for a weekend total. Gives guys a chance for major repairs overnight. Team I helped on has swapped transmissions. Other teams have items machined and welded overnight at local shops. Lots of fun. I cant wait to watch whatever you decide to do. Wish I lived closer. Keep up the great work.
10hr race, makes for a full day of laps being put down, 15-30min brake at hour 5 for vehicle/driver cool down (don't want any issues with health), plus that gives the track team to assess the track, field, cars, and most importantly laps! A race for endurance but also who is the fastest on track. Lap times should go into factor as well! Hopefully this helps! Love ya brother and may you figure this out so we all can enjoy!
When a car goes into the pit a timer starts and it can’t leave until after the timer is up regardless if they was fast or not. Then cars can go to pit on their own time rather than stopping the race. And everybody still gets the same time off their laps.
Pitting 30 car if that many are still rolling and have not crashed already, first getting to pit then lining them back up again in order big old mess, pitting on a minimum clock works and keeps the crowed and energy rolling the whole time, that's a live stream id pay for 😉 but need to have a gas tank limit like 13gal tank
Cleeter, 12 or 24 hours is a real endurance race, you can make a system were only the laps under "21 seconds" (its a random number) counts so you automatically avoid slow cars, also you put 2 weight limits a minimun "dry with driver" and a maximun "full tank" with these you avoid 200 gallons tanks (also with the time cut you avoid that because a too much heavy car will not make the cut). I'm an race marshall since 34 years ago here at Argentina, anything i can help with rules or regulations, safety and so i'll be really glad to help. Podium hugh from Tucuman Argentina! Enzo Allegrucci
What about a V8 1990 town car that gets an average of 17-30mpg at cruising speed(40-60mph)? About 4300lbs give or take. I bet a full tank would last a full 6 hours at 50-60. Not that it'll race with only like 160hp, but I bet it'd be a good contender for most endurance
I think the key to this is having a qualification race/series first. Find tracks to partner with or something, get people doing a couple of hours of laps before the big race, and I think it will be way more competitive
There are many great ideas stated here by others. I definitely like the 1) maximum tank size. 2) Eliminate slowest (2 or other number) every hour. 3) Half hour "lunch break" halfway through race and switch directions when coming back. 4) Only 6cyl or only 8cyl. 5) Cheap bonus of $1500 +/- for fastest lap end of every hour (must not be eliminated though). 6) Viewer vote of favorite racer, winner gets $5000 +/- bonus (End of race) Regardless of what this becomes, always going to watch and support ya Cleeter!
I like the idea of 'fastest lap'. But throw in this, the fastest lap can only be won once. The next hour it has to be someone else. If the same person was fastest in the second hour, they don't win. The second fastest would win. Third hour, the winners of the first and second are not eligible. Nor the third for the fourth hour, etc. It spreads the winnings around.
You have to think about what would Smokey Yunick do to win? The guy was a master getting around the rules. Probably the 3 biggest things you can do 1) have a set budget (like 8k aside from safety equipment) and 2) have a set engine horsepower (ex: 300 hp) and 3) an aftermarket fuel tank that holds 5 gallons. Having these in place should help with an even playing field. It'll give people room to add performance parts to their cars but anything over 300 hp gives you a 10 second late start from the back, so from 301 to 305 hp you get a 10 second late start from 306 to 310 20 seconds, 311 t0 315 30 seconds, anything over 315 is disqualified.
Much agreed, something like a formula racecar. There are set criteria as to motor size, min.weight, fuel tank size, tire&wheel size max, drivetrain (rwd/fwd/awd), unlimited power adders but min/max engine size. Refine these rules to fit several makes in the category and see what happens.
Drag and Drive event! Drag race, 6 hour endurance race and anyone that can finish drag races again. First drag race sets starting order, second drag race is +1 laps for each place (like 1sr place is +10, second is +9) or something like that.
Maybe it could be like a relay race- every few laps you switch drivers. Then it can run a long time without drivers falling asleep, and it would keep it more evenly matched and be more fun if you’re on a team of drivers. Additionally it would make pit stops more frequent, to switch drivers, keeping things more interesting. Then you also do the 5 minute pit on the hour.
You could use the buy it for $X,XXX rule. You set some limit of say $25,000 and, if you enter your car, any competitor can offer to buy it for that dollar amount. Keeps someone from entering anything too nice into the race, but still nice enough that it could get interesting. I'd also recommend requiring real cages in all entered vehicles. Safety third...or something like that.
Sounds like a lot of fun Cleet love what you guys do. What about a lap time limit to stop big money cars showing up and the potential danger that it could bring with a time or lap penalty for every lap under a pre set lap time keeps it more of a fun event rather than a wallet race while keeping risks down.
Switching from the kidney bean layout to just circle track every hour could make it interesting since people would have to ensure they are set up for right turns as well
Make something like this with designated breaks for pitting, but to spice it up make a build series out of it where each team racing has to build a vehicle with the same motor,trans,weight range. Let’s say for a simple example everyone get a 350 small block and a th400 and they can swap it in anything within a specific weight range. Would make a whole lot of fun and content for you and other creators participating in the event.
I feel like the racers should have skin in the game and something to loose you can make it 50k but make it a 100 dollar buy in or maybe more. I personally wouldn’t do an endurance race you basically already have that. I would do something more like a rally inspired race with the dirt and space out back and make it a set lap count with two mandatory pits done at drivers choice in time with the pit lasting 5 minutes atleast.
Dude I’m just glad you bought that track man I was eight and watching a figure 8 school bus race back in the day I’m 34 now grew up in Bradenton almost died in palmetto Florida woke up from a 59 day coma after a no seatbelt car crash on my way to Feld to paint monster trucks for monster jam my ex wife wanted to sign my dnr paperwork 8 days into my 59 day coma good thing she didn’t they needed CPR three times in my 59 days so yes I love seeing my hometown on UA-cam I’m now handicap trying to relearn to walk and talk and I love that you guys are doing stuff strong hell yea brother
I think you should add some concrete between the backstretch and inner loop and make it a bonified roval. Hard left after turn 2, into the inner loop. Down the straight on the front stretch side (of the inner loop) and another hard left after the inner loop into turn 3.
A 12 hr race would be good to start. The kidney bean layout for the track would be a must this race! Base some of the rules off of SCCA or IMSA endurance series? Classes would be needed with a balance of power or weight to make it fair and exciting. Have all teams have a "pro/am" set up for also increased action. Mandatory pit times would be safe for all crews and vehicles. Gives crews a chance to once over the car and reduce yellows
Whatever you do, make it a 2 x 6 hour event (or similar) across two days - it'll massively help with streaming numbers and also help teams repair cars. Just from the nature of it, it'll be a process of elimination via attrition instead of actual racing. On the pit stop side of things, FWIW, even at Nurburgring 24 hr they have pit stop minimum times in place for safety. So even at a pro level they do it. There's pretty big penalties in place for breaking that rule for that reason. Limit fuel tank size, mandate minimum pit stop times and make it so you have to take X amount of pits stops - this then forces some level of strategy. Have a max team size of say 4-5 people. Someone further down mentioned about Champcar Championship rules and I agree.
As a sports car & road racing official, I'd highly recommend the 5 minute minimum pit stop for the sake of safety. Also: - Different classes for 4 cylinders/V6/V8 - Overall & class wins -Mininum weight & displacement limits - Saftey equipment being a must - (rollcage/firesuits/fire surpression maybe) - 2 to 3 drivers per car, minimum of a 6 hour race. 3-5 for anything longer (12/24 hours) - 1 Mandatory Pit stop at the halfway point (30-60 minute Halftime period) - Time Penalties should anyone commit some argy-bargy - Grid walk for the fans before the start of the race - Driver autograph sessions for the fans during the weekend - Maddy's Porsche could be used as the Saftey Car - The winners recieves a memorial watch, for racing around the clock - Not quite a Rolex, but a step up above a Timex Basically some of these iseas are in bigger series like IMSA, which just had the 12 Hours of Sebring thats not too far away from you. Champ Car, SCCA, NASA, & the 24h Series have several examples of how it's done Just some examples
6 hour Endurance Field inverts after every pit stop/ caution. No matter what lap you are on, you are always on the lead lap, so if the car in last gets lapped, he is now in second place
Love the idea cleet! Taking from your revival series, why not do a revival race. Teams of 3-4, all teams must pick out a car under a certain price range that they must revive and drive in the race. It's a showcase of mechanical knowledge, driving skills and how they handle things under pressure. Ole Cleet n Squirrel could give everyone a run for their money.
First off congratulations on the new baby girl!! As a Father of 2 boys and 2 girls I can straight up tell you boys are way easier!! That being said I love the idea of an endurance race I'm not sure if it can be done if people sign a waiver or what? I say 30 UA-camrs and 30 everyday folks names drawn from a raffle.. I'm telling you this would get the fans pumped up to be able to have a chance to get involved!! 🤷 Thanks Cleets for all the awesome content!! Your truly American patriot Mikey -Ray.🇺🇸
I like the idea from some other comments about eliminating the last spot at the end of every hour. Make it the last 2, they fight for pole for 3-5 laps, call em last hope laps, whoever stays out front stays, the other gets the 1-555-YER-DONE tow job. If someone else that's not bottom 2 is out front, then they're both eliminated. Might get someone sandbagging for last to move up so have the one who gets to stay drop back to the back IDK, gets complicated but sounds like a good time.
The 5 minute pit rule is good. You could make it a everything allowed type event, like a group B rally. That would be awesome to see and it will never get old.
A lot of smart rules will be required to prevent people from trying to be “smart” themselves but still leave room for interesting racing. Here are some I’ve seen in similar events. 1. Set a max size for the fuel tank(or max amount of fuel that can be put in the car) - that way pit stops will happen but will allow for strategy depending on how much your car burns instead of fixed pitstop every hour. Not everyone will rush to the pit simultaneously. Maybe also set total fuel for the whole race to keep faster & slower cars/driver closer to each other 2. 100% min pitstop time as you said. Even professional racing series do that in the name of safety (and budget) 3. To finish you must drive to the checkered flag. No banging super fast laps then breaking down/resting for hours. 4. Set max consecutive stints for a single driver. Average out the drivers in a team. No carrying to victory by one driver. 5. Set an average lap time for the race. Not sure how this will work. Hopefully no slow vehicles on track. Also maybe strategy to choose when to push.
you should 100% take the gamble on a big prize race. Could definitely give your channel some positive momentum and fun in the long run even if it doesn't bring in as much as you think. Life is too short, take some risks and do some experiments.
honestly just make it a 4 door, v8 sedan/wagon race. If you have a vic, impala, towncar, buick, whatever. 4 doors, sedan, v8 motor, factory or dropped in, no turbos or superchargers, unless you want that and then all will have to have them (I would say all supercharged). 6 hours isnt enough. Maybe 8 or 12 hours. Their team also has to prove that it can pit the car successfully and without injury before you let them out on the track.
I think limiting the overall number of entrants to a sane number to keep the racing clean and safe and them using the drag strip as a qualifier is a brilliant idea. It keeps the action awesome because you're gonna need a big HP monster to qualify, but that doesn't always translate to a great circle track car, so things would be fun to watch. I approve of the pit stop rules so far, and I would measure and limit every car refill to whatever size fuel tank it came with stock. I believe that should prove plenty sufficient for an hour or even two of running which should be interesting because with the way the pit stop rules are looking you could potentially have a lot of strategy with actually adding LESS fuel than the max to reduce weight but still try and make it to the end. Tires- I think you should probably introduce some kind of limitations on the treadwear etc of the tires allowable.
Great idea! Maybe shoot for 10-12hrs. You’d have a good mix of speed vs long game. Limit the fuel to 20 gallons. I like the idea of “stage brake” pit stops, maybe make it every 2hrs. Freeze the field so people aren’t rushed in the pits even with the time out. The 2hrs and 20gal tanks would bring some fuel management strategy into play. The 10-12hr endurance would test parts durability. Make it so you had to swap a driver every 2hrs. Then after 2 2hr stints (4hrs) the first driver could go back in. Keep rotating through the drivers. That would keep the drivers rested while only needing 3 drivers. Keeping the safety factor up. Limit it to v8s/v6s. Allow some boost on the v6s. That opens it up to 3800 supercharged/turbocharged applications. Just some spitballing off the top of my head.
Creating a bonus for fastest lap per segment would push the sandbaggers. Maybe a tiered payout so if you win you get a bonus for each fastest lap you get.
There needs to be a split pot.. make it worth it for more people to participate... top 3 get a prize of diminishing amount... 100k pot.. 50k to winner 35k 1st looser 15k to 2nd looser...the more people can win the more legit the action will be
instantly what came to mind, the issue with "fast cars" is you have to weave in and out of a pack of slower cars. Making a lot of your performance pointless unless you can get around people easily. Then again how many people are gonna wanna run there Tesla or new vette with someone like the spectator drags blazer.
You could always do a race like the lonestar 600, I've seen some clips of it and it seems pretty good, plus they have ran it and put some thought into it.
I definitely think that it shouldn't be just an oval race. Im sure you can add a few more turns in with the inner loop. Also maybe have separate classes. V-6 V-8 etc. Would have to break down the total price amount per class. That could be for the next race if this one turns out well. I think longer than 6 hours for sure, as many stated. Fuel tank size restrictions definitely, and maybe tire limit as well. Only allow each team x amount of tires.
Some rules they run in other endurance races are that, say in a team of 2, each driver needs to do at least 1/3 of the time in the car, and there's no double stinting. Stops a really fast driver staying in the car for too long, but also makes sure drivers have a rest.
Great ideas but you need to have other events going on at the same time so people don’t get bored. Maybe a car show or some other festive activities. Burnout contest to kick it off maybe.
i love endurance racing and i love cleetus cant think of a better combo would love the 24 hour but i understand what you mean about the fielding and pit troubles
one guy said 6 is to short. i agree, 6 is a little to short. maybe 8 or 10 hours. 8 is your typical work shift. 2 drivers can bang out 4 each. Would be able to do it during daylight or end right after sun set and have spectators out. 8 hours on a saturday can make for one hell of an event!!
Here's an idea, 70s and 80s land yachts, but since they pretty much all have low compression V8s, every car gets an eBay turbo setup. Could do one big race or a few heats weeding them out for a final showdown. Stock suspension, maximum body roll.
What if you come at this from a different angle. Our local Dirt Track used to have a 2 times a year race called an Enduro. Its a "run what you brung" kind of race. Everything from 4 cylinder bangers to V8 monsters. If a car died or wrecked the race was stopped to clear the driver and the car was left on the track. For time, these were limited to 100 laps. The Freedom Factory is the same length track, 3/8th mile. If my math is right 500 miles is 1,334 laps, with an average of 60 mph per lap, that would be 8 hours of driving. I say let people bring what every car they want, do your 5 minute pits, and cap the car value at $1,500 saftey equiptment excluded. Stock engines only, only one set of tires. One more thing, get enough cars to fill the whole front stretch. More cars, more mayhem, more obsitcals.
The enduro events I’ve worked in the past have had minimum stop times and you find yourself cruising through a stop pretty easy so it’s a good idea. - 2:30 stop time is plenty to refuel, driver change and change a set of tyres. - max 20 gallon fuel capacity - people can pit when they want but have a minimum of 6 CPS (Compulsory pit stops) - minimum 2 tyre change during CPS - fuel and tyres can’t be done at the same time (fuel first, then tyres) - minimum 2 drivers ( no more then 3.5 hours in the car total) -all drivers must qualify ( 2 drivers 2 lap times and divide the average 3 drivers 3 lap times and divide the average) -manual hydraulic jacks for CPS only! (No air or pneumatic lifts)
stock power train rule, don't limit engine size, limit it by factory rated HP like 220hp min 400 max or similar. have a "hard luck" prize for the one who seems to have the worst luck, but works their ass off to keep trying best they can. I like the change directions at the half way mark idea some one else suggested.
We have a 24h rallycross race here (Hungary). It is absolute madness! I think you should go with the real deal. I mean 6 hours isn't a joke but in 24 anything can and will happen.
My suggestions are the following: Limit the size of fuel tanks in the cars No scheduled pit stops, force them to be strategic Don't ban cars on other grounds than safety For a safe pit area: Have a minimum pit time and an extremely low speed limit in the hot pit. Less than 10mph. Also force them to use a safe refueling rig. To even out the race field, you could set a limit on power to weight ratio. Also limit tire sizes.
For suggestions on power to weight ratio calculations, you could have a look at "SSK Klass 3" from Sweden, and just set a ratio you like. That series contains everything from a BMW M1 Sauber with a nascar engine, to a extremely tuned Volvo 240. And it's close racing. For endurance, bump those power numbers down a fair bit.
Also, to make sure there is safe racing: Either have the teams stop in the pit for penalties, or just deduct a number of laps. If unsafe driving costs 10 minutes in the box of shame, hopefully most drivers will behave.
If you're worried about them driving slow to save fuel, maybe give bonus fractions of a lap if they hit a time? Like a sub-20 second lap counts as 1.1 laps, and a sub-19 counts as 1.25 laps, sub-18 1.5 laps, etc. Hit a certain number of bonus laps and you get to change tires?
A maximum fuel-up amount cripples teams and evens the playing field. A lot of 24hr races do that, and it makes endurance racing very interesting. A car can have a 20 gallon cell but can only fill up 7 gallons every pit, stuff like that.
Next up, you should do a 3 hr BACKWARDS race. Most laps going backwards in 3 hrs wins. You can switch drivers but only a certain amount of times.... like max of 3 or something? Idk, your idea is awesome as is but this throws in a twist
6 or 12 hrs for sure would work with same cash pot. Also at your event at Stafford motor speedway. I was thinking halfway through your event would you be down to do a suburban/Tahoe race? Fastest Burban or Tahoe wins. Basically a spectator drag. No pitting o crasing each other. This is basically your daily driver or what you bring to the racetrack to drag race or autocross in. So what do you say cleet?
I always went to the track when I knew it was Spectator Enduro Race.. Run what ya Brung and Rubbn’ is Racin’ rules..it doesn’t have to be the main event but could be an addition.
I mean, host a LeMons race. Those were wildly popular and the spirit of them seems right up the alley of what you’re trying to do. Parking lot builds only; $1000 budget (minus safety equipment); minimum displacement 3.0L. Squirrel and Cleet could build one easy
This would be a awesome watch u should set a pace time in a crown Victoria from a standing start to use as a minimum lap time and cap the fuel allowed for the entire race
I love the idea of A FAT prize for the winner but maybe do 2 or 3 classes with smaller cash prizes. I feel like splitting up car to classes should give everyone a better or a fighting chance either way going to be awesome. YEEET YEEET!!!
Alright, hear me out. 12 hour race, 6 man pit crew max, 30 gallon fuel tank limit. 2 drivers per team, 8 hours max drive time per driver. 6 and 8 cylinder cars only. Final lap goes down Daytona 24h style (whoever crossed the line in 1st place after the time expires wins). Best part, Le Mans start, drivers run to their cars and start them. Would love to see this idea implemented, and best of luck Cleet
I feel it would be cool to have "The 24hrs of Freedom." But definitely have the fuel rule like you said. But I would like to ask, ever thought about making a dirt track in that giant field?
I wonder if he has thought about that. Only issue is it gets 100% full of cars for parking for events. If they made a dirt track then fans would have no where to park
¤ Race for 55 minutes per hour ¤ 5 minute obligatory pit stop ¤ Driver change every 2nd pit stop ¤ No 4 cyl car, only v6 and v8, only NA (no turbo, supercharger, no gas or any power enhancers) ¤ No engine swaps, only stock engine in that car, otherwise you will get Miatas that are V6, v8 or even Rotary swapped ¤ To make it extra fun, only FF (Front wheel drive) cars, in inspiration of the Freedom Factory ¤ All of them must have the same tires that are bought on FF ground to make it fare for all cars. ¤ Most laps during a 6 hour sprint ¤ Minimum of two drivers per car ¤ A maximum of 6 people per team who shall handle both driving, pit stops and even all the repairs if any are needed, with there own tools Just some ideas And all of this can be scaled up if you decided to make the race longer then 6 hours.
My first thought about the 5 min pit after an hour is it either must be required by all to stop or, you can skip the stop, but you cannot pit till the next scheduled stop. That would be a challenge. During the race, if it becomes apparent that most people are skipping stops and making it to the next stop, maybe adjust the “rules”.😂
Standard workday rules. 8 hrs. 15 min breaks. 1/2 hr for lunch. Call it the 9 to Freedom.
This is the idea right here! Perfect 👌
Gets my vote.
Love it!
and there's a lunch time cook off or something.
I approve of this.
6 hour endurance race. BUT! The 5 slowest cars (least laps) are eliminated at the end of the hour. 30 car field is cut to 10 cars for the final hour.
Edit: Eliminated cars are then crushed by monster trucks during the pit time. BOOM. Keeps car costs down. Also, no eliminations after the first hour. So everybody gets to pit once.
That's actually a good idea 💡 🤔
I like it. I think you're math if off a hair but yes, weed out the slo-mos. Also, I think attrition will cut the field down quite a bit .
Depending on how many cars break/wreck there wouldn’t be any cars left.
I like this idea.
This is good
You could throw in bicycle night for the kids and let them race around a course for a prize. I always loved that when I was a kid and it seemed to bring out more ppl .
Hey Cleet! Consider 3x 8HR races!!!
Call it the MAD tournament. (Midnight, Afternoon, Day) all the shift working viewers will love it!
Teams need 3 drivers to complete as many laps as they can in 3 races.
-Day 1 , midnight race goes 11p-7a, they get 8hr downtime to fix stuff
-Day 2, Afternoon race goes 3-11p, again 8hr of downtime
-Day 3, Day race goes 7a-3p
If a team completely breaks their car (trans/engine go boom), they get to bring a backup car BUT can only swap out between days. Team with the most laps at the end of the 3 races wins.
6 hours is a weekend trip. 12 hours would make it more of an endurance race
agreed, 6 is a little to short. maybe 8 or 10. 8 is your typical work shift. 2 drivers can bang out 4 each. Would be able to do it during daylight and have spectators out. 8 hours on a saturday can make for one hell of an event!
You could do a two day event 12 hours each? 24 hours of Far Lans!
@@IAMBrandon_JNI actually disagree. Some of the folks that would help sell this event out and be participants are those with regular jobs. 6 hours is a doable weekend trip.
But honestly, I think if it’s a 30 car field, limit it to 15 UA-camrs that have 100K+ subs. That way the smaller more normal guys that would run this kind of a race have a chance of being chosen to participate.
Plus when you get to 8 hours plus for time, spectators are gonna get tired, sleepy, cranky, kids are gonna throw fits and have everyone around them bitching. And refreshment costs are REALLY gonna go up with a longer race like that.
I agree with the offroad idea, maybe dirt track.
8 hours each team gets scheduled pit time with a real pit crew on a pre determined set lap or something like that maybe a couple real crews 50k plus a badass trophy that gets passed on each year 8 hour de mcfarlands Grand Prix maybe even run a weird weird layout going through burnout pads make it interesting
Bring back the $1500 beater challenge. Maybe up it to $2500 with all this dang inflation!
3500
People always cheat those
@@FrostE941not with randoms. A cleeter team competition like last time.
@kevinmenard6792 that was awesome.
THIS
First off, turn that big ol field out front into a rallycross track. You ever seen a galaxie go offroading? It's magic!!
As to your issue with slow cars coming out to an endurance, teams have to qualify with a minimum average time and maintain it through the competition. Say a crown Vic averages a 21 sec time so then they can't sand bag. Gas has to be in a factory tank or specific size fuel cell.
Rallycross and barrel racing, Thunda needs to be put to work on dirt like any good ute.
Swear to god, ute barrel racing is the most entertaining thing I’ve seen in a long time
@@LCaddyStudios I need this in my life. I'll bring my g8
Check out the IMSA rule book. There are probably a lot of standardization rules they use to even up a field. Also, you should do classes just like IMSA to separate the V8s and V6s (maybe I6s as well). The difference in fuel consumption and obviously power is too great between those two engine types. Run a multi-class field where they all run at the same time.
A minimum weight limit solves some of the mentioned issues.
A "forced to sell" at a set price if a willing buyer shows up can stop any attempt to "pay to win".
THIS !
James May and Mika Hakkinen episode about sizu, I really like the forced to sell at 3500 dollar or someting idea.
A 5k force to sell would make for a good beater only race
Do it like lemon rules, excluding safety stuff the car can’t exceed a certain cost.
The overall winner gets to buy any car on the grid for the value they registered it as, so if they tell porkies about how much it costs and they don’t win? They’ll lose their car AND money
Also the whole B-S demerit scheme should be implemented,
“My mate installed it for free so I didn’t count the cost” = BS demerits.
Even just 'forced to sell engine' rule levels the playing feild.
Maybe look at Champcar Endurance racing rules. Max size limit for fuel tank. Mandatory pit/driver change every 2 hrs. 4 man driving team max. Magnet timer starts (stuck on car) at beginning of pit lane, with a minimum pit time (usually plenty of time to fuel, change driver, change tire, minor repairs, etc) Champcar runs 10hrs Saturday, and 7-8 hrs Sunday. Add 2 days points together for a weekend total. Gives guys a chance for major repairs overnight. Team I helped on has swapped transmissions. Other teams have items machined and welded overnight at local shops. Lots of fun. I cant wait to watch whatever you decide to do. Wish I lived closer. Keep up the great work.
I really like this idea
and would be good for PPV numbers.
Love this idea. Has a lil' Drag Week vibes to it
Great idea
Chumpcar is already a thing, what could Cleetus call his race?
Anything you do will be epic ....you that guy that people love to watch...you n squirel with the towtruck swap had me in tears...😢
10hr race, makes for a full day of laps being put down, 15-30min brake at hour 5 for vehicle/driver cool down (don't want any issues with health), plus that gives the track team to assess the track, field, cars, and most importantly laps! A race for endurance but also who is the fastest on track. Lap times should go into factor as well! Hopefully this helps! Love ya brother and may you figure this out so we all can enjoy!
When a car goes into the pit a timer starts and it can’t leave until after the timer is up regardless if they was fast or not. Then cars can go to pit on their own time rather than stopping the race. And everybody still gets the same time off their laps.
That doesn't solve cars that have massive fuel tanks
This! And just add a tank limit. Solved.
Pitting 30 car if that many are still rolling and have not crashed already, first getting to pit then lining them back up again in order big old mess, pitting on a minimum clock works and keeps the crowed and energy rolling the whole time, that's a live stream id pay for 😉 but need to have a gas tank limit like 13gal tank
Maybe have a minimum of six pit stops? You can take more but you have to take six.
They still have to pit for 5 minutes no matter how big the tank is.@@LastRoseStudios
Cleeter, 12 or 24 hours is a real endurance race, you can make a system were only the laps under "21 seconds" (its a random number) counts so you automatically avoid slow cars, also you put 2 weight limits a minimun "dry with driver" and a maximun "full tank" with these you avoid 200 gallons tanks (also with the time cut you avoid that because a too much heavy car will not make the cut). I'm an race marshall since 34 years ago here at Argentina, anything i can help with rules or regulations, safety and so i'll be really glad to help. Podium hugh from Tucuman Argentina! Enzo Allegrucci
This is good stuff
What about a V8 1990 town car that gets an average of 17-30mpg at cruising speed(40-60mph)? About 4300lbs give or take. I bet a full tank would last a full 6 hours at 50-60. Not that it'll race with only like 160hp, but I bet it'd be a good contender for most endurance
Yep, and the time cut limits the speed differential, safer racing.
Time cut is good.
Cleetus you always amaze us ... BUT 6 hour of fast racing would be great.
I think the key to this is having a qualification race/series first. Find tracks to partner with or something, get people doing a couple of hours of laps before the big race, and I think it will be way more competitive
There are many great ideas stated here by others. I definitely like the 1) maximum tank size. 2) Eliminate slowest (2 or other number) every hour. 3) Half hour "lunch break" halfway through race and switch directions when coming back. 4) Only 6cyl or only 8cyl. 5) Cheap bonus of $1500 +/- for fastest lap end of every hour (must not be eliminated though). 6) Viewer vote of favorite racer, winner gets $5000 +/- bonus (End of race)
Regardless of what this becomes, always going to watch and support ya Cleeter!
love these rules. but maybe split the pot and do 15 cars in a class divided across 6cyl and 8 cyl.
I like the idea of 'fastest lap'. But throw in this, the fastest lap can only be won once. The next hour it has to be someone else. If the same person was fastest in the second hour, they don't win. The second fastest would win. Third hour, the winners of the first and second are not eligible. Nor the third for the fourth hour, etc. It spreads the winnings around.
@@davidedgar3509This is a good option as well to add.
350z though
Why not just host a 24 hours of Lemons race at the Freedom Factory? 🍋
That typo is gold.
@@sarinhighwindthat's not a typo. Check it out
Exactly what I thought
it's literally a real race... 24 hours of lemons@@sarinhighwind
Yes!
You have to think about what would Smokey Yunick do to win? The guy was a master getting around the rules.
Probably the 3 biggest things you can do 1) have a set budget (like 8k aside from safety equipment) and 2) have a set engine horsepower (ex: 300 hp) and 3) an aftermarket fuel tank that holds 5 gallons. Having these in place should help with an even playing field. It'll give people room to add performance parts to their cars but anything over 300 hp gives you a 10 second late start from the back, so from 301 to 305 hp you get a 10 second late start from 306 to 310 20 seconds, 311 t0 315 30 seconds, anything over 315 is disqualified.
I think Smokey used to say "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't racin'".
It would take forever to dyno that many cars and you have no way of knowing how much someone spent on a car.
5 gallons they would be in the pit more than on the track
Love the spirit of this video mate. You're thriving. Love to see it. Fire me up
Paused the Flatbed video for this
Same
Rookies... I started the flatbed video 4 hours ago... Finished it just in time for this video
Same
I started it the moment it came out! Ended at exactly 1:40 PM EST for me 😅
Same
As many others have alluded to, I think a couple of rules should involve:
1. Minimum weight
2. Max fuel capacity
3. Max tire size rule.
i would go HP and rpm to
Much agreed, something like a formula racecar. There are set criteria as to motor size, min.weight, fuel tank size, tire&wheel size max, drivetrain (rwd/fwd/awd), unlimited power adders but min/max engine size. Refine these rules to fit several makes in the category and see what happens.
how does tire size affect this? I'm not too familiar with racing
thats a good starting point honestly
Minimum lap time would get rid of slow economy boxes
Drag and Drive event! Drag race, 6 hour endurance race and anyone that can finish drag races again. First drag race sets starting order, second drag race is +1 laps for each place (like 1sr place is +10, second is +9) or something like that.
Maybe it could be like a relay race- every few laps you switch drivers. Then it can run a long time without drivers falling asleep, and it would keep it more evenly matched and be more fun if you’re on a team of drivers. Additionally it would make pit stops more frequent, to switch drivers, keeping things more interesting. Then you also do the 5 minute pit on the hour.
I think doing a reverse track would really throw everyone off, going right instead of left
If you do 1 hour heats, then you swap direction after each heat. To even the tire wear.
thats a great idea but you would have to change the pit entry and exit angle@@WillemWildusa
Puts drivers closer to the wall, not a fan of this idea
Reverse track would also eliminate 'dedicated' circle track stock cars from coming in and cleaning house.
There's a reason circle track races turn left: safety. It keeps the driver away from the wall.
You could use the buy it for $X,XXX rule. You set some limit of say $25,000 and, if you enter your car, any competitor can offer to buy it for that dollar amount. Keeps someone from entering anything too nice into the race, but still nice enough that it could get interesting.
I'd also recommend requiring real cages in all entered vehicles. Safety third...or something like that.
Sounds like a lot of fun Cleet love what you guys do. What about a lap time limit to stop big money cars showing up and the potential danger that it could bring with a time or lap penalty for every lap under a pre set lap time keeps it more of a fun event rather than a wallet race while keeping risks down.
Switching from the kidney bean layout to just circle track every hour could make it interesting since people would have to ensure they are set up for right turns as well
...and swtich directions after every hourly pit stop.
@@johnfortman8553 wouldn't need an hourly pit stop if directions were changed since its pretty much only the outside front tire that wears.
Kevin was the perfect guy to consult for so many reasons. Especially grey area rules. Lol
agreed jack stand too
Make something like this with designated breaks for pitting, but to spice it up make a build series out of it where each team racing has to build a vehicle with the same motor,trans,weight range. Let’s say for a simple example everyone get a 350 small block and a th400 and they can swap it in anything within a specific weight range. Would make a whole lot of fun and content for you and other creators participating in the event.
I feel like the racers should have skin in the game and something to loose you can make it 50k but make it a 100 dollar buy in or maybe more. I personally wouldn’t do an endurance race you basically already have that. I would do something more like a rally inspired race with the dirt and space out back and make it a set lap count with two mandatory pits done at drivers choice in time with the pit lasting 5 minutes atleast.
Rip says, "Everyone needs sweet flashy light kits, cause that makes it extra cool to watch."
I kinda understand the toddler mindset on some stuff. 😂
If you're going to do lit cars make it a dusk-to-dawn race.
Dude I’m just glad you bought that track man I was eight and watching a figure 8 school bus race back in the day I’m 34 now grew up in Bradenton almost died in palmetto Florida woke up from a 59 day coma after a no seatbelt car crash on my way to Feld to paint monster trucks for monster jam my ex wife wanted to sign my dnr paperwork 8 days into my 59 day coma good thing she didn’t they needed CPR three times in my 59 days so yes I love seeing my hometown on UA-cam I’m now handicap trying to relearn to walk and talk and I love that you guys are doing stuff strong hell yea brother
God bless brother.
@@RCinginSC thanks man every day I’m happy to wake up and start to relearn and try to remember what I had for dinner
I think you should add some concrete between the backstretch and inner loop and make it a bonified roval. Hard left after turn 2, into the inner loop. Down the straight on the front stretch side (of the inner loop) and another hard left after the inner loop into turn 3.
A 12 hr race would be good to start. The kidney bean layout for the track would be a must this race! Base some of the rules off of SCCA or IMSA endurance series? Classes would be needed with a balance of power or weight to make it fair and exciting. Have all teams have a "pro/am" set up for also increased action. Mandatory pit times would be safe for all crews and vehicles. Gives crews a chance to once over the car and reduce yellows
Whatever you do, make it a 2 x 6 hour event (or similar) across two days - it'll massively help with streaming numbers and also help teams repair cars. Just from the nature of it, it'll be a process of elimination via attrition instead of actual racing.
On the pit stop side of things, FWIW, even at Nurburgring 24 hr they have pit stop minimum times in place for safety. So even at a pro level they do it. There's pretty big penalties in place for breaking that rule for that reason. Limit fuel tank size, mandate minimum pit stop times and make it so you have to take X amount of pits stops - this then forces some level of strategy. Have a max team size of say 4-5 people. Someone further down mentioned about Champcar Championship rules and I agree.
As a sports car & road racing official, I'd highly recommend the 5 minute minimum pit stop for the sake of safety. Also:
- Different classes for 4 cylinders/V6/V8 - Overall & class wins
-Mininum weight & displacement limits
- Saftey equipment being a must - (rollcage/firesuits/fire surpression maybe)
- 2 to 3 drivers per car, minimum of a 6 hour race. 3-5 for anything longer (12/24 hours)
- 1 Mandatory Pit stop at the halfway point (30-60 minute Halftime period)
- Time Penalties should anyone commit some argy-bargy
- Grid walk for the fans before the start of the race
- Driver autograph sessions for the fans during the weekend
- Maddy's Porsche could be used as the Saftey Car
- The winners recieves a memorial watch, for racing around the clock - Not quite a Rolex, but a step up above a Timex
Basically some of these iseas are in bigger series like IMSA, which just had the 12 Hours of Sebring thats not too far away from you.
Champ Car, SCCA, NASA, & the 24h Series have several examples of how it's done
Just some examples
6 hour Endurance
Field inverts after every pit stop/ caution.
No matter what lap you are on, you are always on the lead lap, so if the car in last gets lapped, he is now in second place
Love the idea cleet! Taking from your revival series, why not do a revival race. Teams of 3-4, all teams must pick out a car under a certain price range that they must revive and drive in the race. It's a showcase of mechanical knowledge, driving skills and how they handle things under pressure. Ole Cleet n Squirrel could give everyone a run for their money.
First off congratulations on the new baby girl!! As a Father of 2 boys and 2 girls I can straight up tell you boys are way easier!! That being said I love the idea of an endurance race I'm not sure if it can be done if people sign a waiver or what? I say 30 UA-camrs and 30 everyday folks names drawn from a raffle.. I'm telling you this would get the fans pumped up to be able to have a chance to get involved!! 🤷 Thanks Cleets for all the awesome content!! Your truly American patriot Mikey -Ray.🇺🇸
I like the idea from some other comments about eliminating the last spot at the end of every hour.
Make it the last 2, they fight for pole for 3-5 laps, call em last hope laps, whoever stays out front stays, the other gets the 1-555-YER-DONE tow job.
If someone else that's not bottom 2 is out front, then they're both eliminated.
Might get someone sandbagging for last to move up so have the one who gets to stay drop back to the back
IDK, gets complicated but sounds like a good time.
this would be funny af
From throwing turbo whistles on tailpipes to thinking 50k cash is a little bit of money 😂😂 I love it!
The 5 minute pit rule is good. You could make it a everything allowed type event, like a group B rally. That would be awesome to see and it will never get old.
A lot of smart rules will be required to prevent people from trying to be “smart” themselves but still leave room for interesting racing. Here are some I’ve seen in similar events.
1. Set a max size for the fuel tank(or max amount of fuel that can be put in the car) - that way pit stops will happen but will allow for strategy depending on how much your car burns instead of fixed pitstop every hour. Not everyone will rush to the pit simultaneously. Maybe also set total fuel for the whole race to keep faster & slower cars/driver closer to each other
2. 100% min pitstop time as you said. Even professional racing series do that in the name of safety (and budget)
3. To finish you must drive to the checkered flag. No banging super fast laps then breaking down/resting for hours.
4. Set max consecutive stints for a single driver. Average out the drivers in a team. No carrying to victory by one driver.
5. Set an average lap time for the race. Not sure how this will work. Hopefully no slow vehicles on track. Also maybe strategy to choose when to push.
Yeah, you know Jackstand would instantly have a plan to game the system if he was allowed to compete.
Love it, go for it brother!
you should 100% take the gamble on a big prize race. Could definitely give your channel some positive momentum and fun in the long run even if it doesn't bring in as much as you think. Life is too short, take some risks and do some experiments.
honestly just make it a 4 door, v8 sedan/wagon race. If you have a vic, impala, towncar, buick, whatever. 4 doors, sedan, v8 motor, factory or dropped in, no turbos or superchargers, unless you want that and then all will have to have them (I would say all supercharged). 6 hours isnt enough. Maybe 8 or 12 hours. Their team also has to prove that it can pit the car successfully and without injury before you let them out on the track.
Maybe a year limit too like nothing newer than 1990? 2000? 2010? Haha or classes
Banning 4bangers is such a good strategy because now you really get into the thirsty cars.
Someone should bring a 3cyl just to cheat the system
V twin baby @@maxp2305
Where the Mazda boys at
a lot of miatas dont have a 4cyl including my own :P
@@maxp2305 *Yaris gr has entered the chat*
I think limiting the overall number of entrants to a sane number to keep the racing clean and safe and them using the drag strip as a qualifier is a brilliant idea. It keeps the action awesome because you're gonna need a big HP monster to qualify, but that doesn't always translate to a great circle track car, so things would be fun to watch.
I approve of the pit stop rules so far, and I would measure and limit every car refill to whatever size fuel tank it came with stock. I believe that should prove plenty sufficient for an hour or even two of running which should be interesting because with the way the pit stop rules are looking you could potentially have a lot of strategy with actually adding LESS fuel than the max to reduce weight but still try and make it to the end.
Tires- I think you should probably introduce some kind of limitations on the treadwear etc of the tires allowable.
American mussel cars only
Great idea! Maybe shoot for 10-12hrs. You’d have a good mix of speed vs long game. Limit the fuel to 20 gallons. I like the idea of “stage brake” pit stops, maybe make it every 2hrs. Freeze the field so people aren’t rushed in the pits even with the time out. The 2hrs and 20gal tanks would bring some fuel management strategy into play. The 10-12hr endurance would test parts durability. Make it so you had to swap a driver every 2hrs. Then after 2 2hr stints (4hrs) the first driver could go back in. Keep rotating through the drivers. That would keep the drivers rested while only needing 3 drivers. Keeping the safety factor up. Limit it to v8s/v6s. Allow some boost on the v6s. That opens it up to 3800 supercharged/turbocharged applications. Just some spitballing off the top of my head.
I absolutely loved the first 24hr race at the FF. Having 30 of them out there for 6hrs will be pure hell! 😂😂
Creating a bonus for fastest lap per segment would push the sandbaggers. Maybe a tiered payout so if you win you get a bonus for each fastest lap you get.
Of the fast average over a portion time in each hour
Points system.
There needs to be a split pot.. make it worth it for more people to participate... top 3 get a prize of diminishing amount... 100k pot.. 50k to winner 35k 1st looser 15k to 2nd looser...the more people can win the more legit the action will be
Should get fans from the channel and race vic. That would be fun to watch
I think you'll end up with a Grand Prix Grand Prix. A bunch of inexpensive 3800 cars that have a decent power to fuel economy ratio.
instantly what came to mind, the issue with "fast cars" is you have to weave in and out of a pack of slower cars. Making a lot of your performance pointless unless you can get around people easily. Then again how many people are gonna wanna run there Tesla or new vette with someone like the spectator drags blazer.
Get that guy to fly over the freedom 500 in that chinook!
...or land🤔
Just a thought🙏🏽
And the 2 F35's?
@@dukenukem7183yes dude!
2:30 Cleet is a true American 🇺🇸 banning four cylinder cars LoL 😂❤
*Brings a 3 cylinder
Lol, hey man, i love my four banger one tire fire. But also enjoy my chevy v8s. If anything ban the fords. Jk
2:10 is the right timestamp for anybody confused.
*Brings a rotary* ...wait they got banned too.... for winning too much
@@gEtar87 hahaha 😂
You could always do a race like the lonestar 600, I've seen some clips of it and it seems pretty good, plus they have ran it and put some thought into it.
I definitely think that it shouldn't be just an oval race. Im sure you can add a few more turns in with the inner loop. Also maybe have separate classes. V-6 V-8 etc. Would have to break down the total price amount per class. That could be for the next race if this one turns out well. I think longer than 6 hours for sure, as many stated. Fuel tank size restrictions definitely, and maybe tire limit as well. Only allow each team x amount of tires.
Some rules they run in other endurance races are that, say in a team of 2, each driver needs to do at least 1/3 of the time in the car, and there's no double stinting. Stops a really fast driver staying in the car for too long, but also makes sure drivers have a rest.
Great ideas but you need to have other events going on at the same time so people don’t get bored. Maybe a car show or some other festive activities. Burnout contest to kick it off maybe.
i love endurance racing and i love cleetus cant think of a better combo would love the 24 hour but i understand what you mean about the fielding and pit troubles
I would definitely tune in for that
one guy said 6 is to short. i agree, 6 is a little to short. maybe 8 or 10 hours. 8 is your typical work shift. 2 drivers can bang out 4 each. Would be able to do it during daylight or end right after sun set and have spectators out. 8 hours on a saturday can make for one hell of an event!!
Thing is, who has the time or even wants to sit and watch an 8 to 10-hour race?
I think you should do a 6 hour endurance.Riding lawn mower race At the freedom factory. It would be a true test of endurance!
Here's an idea, 70s and 80s land yachts, but since they pretty much all have low compression V8s, every car gets an eBay turbo setup. Could do one big race or a few heats weeding them out for a final showdown. Stock suspension, maximum body roll.
What if you come at this from a different angle. Our local Dirt Track used to have a 2 times a year race called an Enduro. Its a "run what you brung" kind of race. Everything from 4 cylinder bangers to V8 monsters. If a car died or wrecked the race was stopped to clear the driver and the car was left on the track. For time, these were limited to 100 laps. The Freedom Factory is the same length track, 3/8th mile. If my math is right 500 miles is 1,334 laps, with an average of 60 mph per lap, that would be 8 hours of driving. I say let people bring what every car they want, do your 5 minute pits, and cap the car value at $1,500 saftey equiptment excluded. Stock engines only, only one set of tires. One more thing, get enough cars to fill the whole front stretch. More cars, more mayhem, more obsitcals.
The enduro events I’ve worked in the past have had minimum stop times and you find yourself cruising through a stop pretty easy so it’s a good idea.
- 2:30 stop time is plenty to refuel, driver change and change a set of tyres.
- max 20 gallon fuel capacity
- people can pit when they want but have a minimum of 6 CPS (Compulsory pit stops)
- minimum 2 tyre change during CPS
- fuel and tyres can’t be done at the same time (fuel first, then tyres)
- minimum 2 drivers ( no more then 3.5 hours in the car total)
-all drivers must qualify ( 2 drivers 2 lap times and divide the average 3 drivers 3 lap times and divide the average)
-manual hydraulic jacks for CPS only! (No air or pneumatic lifts)
WHEW man I wish I could do some of these events at the freedom factory!!! love your guys content, would love to be able to contribute to it
You ever thought of getting into snowmobile racing or events?
Could do some sort of average lap time race over 6 hours. Kind of like a bracket race like the tightest average lap time wins
This is why you're becoming so big on UA-cam and so many fans awesome content great ideas keep coming
Nothing but Small block Chevys with a quad on it, 15 gal. fuel cell. LOL!
Dang I like this idea
You know that won't fly
305 chevy 318 mopar and 302 ford @@thomasward4505
You should try to do a 24 hour race it would be cool too see what a 24 hour race would look like
stock power train rule, don't limit engine size, limit it by factory rated HP like 220hp min 400 max or similar. have a "hard luck" prize for the one who seems to have the worst luck, but works their ass off to keep trying best they can. I like the change directions at the half way mark idea some one else suggested.
I think cars should be approved by you to race to make it fair, and so they fit the spirit of the competition.
What ever you come up with we will watch for sure. 👍🏻
No doubt
We have a 24h rallycross race here (Hungary). It is absolute madness! I think you should go with the real deal. I mean 6 hours isn't a joke but in 24 anything can and will happen.
This would be the best 24hr race 24 hours of freedom ! Do a mid way break host a burnout comp and fireworks on the 4th of July!!
My suggestions are the following:
Limit the size of fuel tanks in the cars
No scheduled pit stops, force them to be strategic
Don't ban cars on other grounds than safety
For a safe pit area: Have a minimum pit time and an extremely low speed limit in the hot pit. Less than 10mph. Also force them to use a safe refueling rig.
To even out the race field, you could set a limit on power to weight ratio. Also limit tire sizes.
For suggestions on power to weight ratio calculations, you could have a look at "SSK Klass 3" from Sweden, and just set a ratio you like. That series contains everything from a BMW M1 Sauber with a nascar engine, to a extremely tuned Volvo 240. And it's close racing. For endurance, bump those power numbers down a fair bit.
Also, to make sure there is safe racing: Either have the teams stop in the pit for penalties, or just deduct a number of laps. If unsafe driving costs 10 minutes in the box of shame, hopefully most drivers will behave.
If you're worried about them driving slow to save fuel, maybe give bonus fractions of a lap if they hit a time? Like a sub-20 second lap counts as 1.1 laps, and a sub-19 counts as 1.25 laps, sub-18 1.5 laps, etc. Hit a certain number of bonus laps and you get to change tires?
suggestions: Couples driver team only. Most laps with an efficiency multiplier. Slowest gets eliminated every 5 laps.
A maximum fuel-up amount cripples teams and evens the playing field. A lot of 24hr races do that, and it makes endurance racing very interesting. A car can have a 20 gallon cell but can only fill up 7 gallons every pit, stuff like that.
24hrs of Lemons is the first thing that came to my mind.
You could do a hp cap as well, have to fall in a range or you can’t run, that would make it so it’s more driver skill oriented
Power to weight range?
Folkrace ruleset with a value cap on the cars and that the winners has to sell of the car to the contestants through bidding after the race.
HP cap $50k race with 30 cars = 30 sneaky Pete kits on that track.
I think 12 hrs to make it an endurance race with 30 gal fuel cell or just adopt 24 hrs of lemons rules
Sounds like a great idea. Hello from nova Scotia
Next up, you should do a 3 hr BACKWARDS race. Most laps going backwards in 3 hrs wins. You can switch drivers but only a certain amount of times.... like max of 3 or something? Idk, your idea is awesome as is but this throws in a twist
I would do this, such a sick idea.
5 minute pit stop seems like a nice safe idea.
No matter what you end up doing ,,, I know we are going to LOVE watching it,. Hell yeah Brother
6 or 12 hrs for sure would work with same cash pot. Also at your event at Stafford motor speedway. I was thinking halfway through your event would you be down to do a suburban/Tahoe race? Fastest Burban or Tahoe wins. Basically a spectator drag. No pitting o crasing each other. This is basically your daily driver or what you bring to the racetrack to drag race or autocross in. So what do you say cleet?
I always went to the track when I knew it was Spectator Enduro Race.. Run what ya Brung and Rubbn’ is Racin’ rules..it doesn’t have to be the main event but could be an addition.
I would do 12 hours, start at 9AM and fireworks at the end.
I mean, host a LeMons race. Those were wildly popular and the spirit of them seems right up the alley of what you’re trying to do.
Parking lot builds only; $1000 budget (minus safety equipment); minimum displacement 3.0L. Squirrel and Cleet could build one easy
This would be a awesome watch u should set a pace time in a crown Victoria from a standing start to use as a minimum lap time and cap the fuel allowed for the entire race
I love the idea of A FAT prize for the winner but maybe do 2 or 3 classes with smaller cash prizes. I feel like splitting up car to classes should give everyone a better or a fighting chance either way going to be awesome. YEEET YEEET!!!
Alright, hear me out. 12 hour race, 6 man pit crew max, 30 gallon fuel tank limit. 2 drivers per team, 8 hours max drive time per driver. 6 and 8 cylinder cars only. Final lap goes down Daytona 24h style (whoever crossed the line in 1st place after the time expires wins). Best part, Le Mans start, drivers run to their cars and start them. Would love to see this idea implemented, and best of luck Cleet
That's not a bad idea plus another race going backwards for 3-6 hrs with changing drivers only a certain amount of times
I like Daytona style
I feel it would be cool to have "The 24hrs of Freedom." But definitely have the fuel rule like you said. But I would like to ask, ever thought about making a dirt track in that giant field?
I wonder if he has thought about that. Only issue is it gets 100% full of cars for parking for events. If they made a dirt track then fans would have no where to park
@@williammclaughlin2606 🤦🏻 hit me real quick I forgot. probably is for parking.
¤ Race for 55 minutes per hour
¤ 5 minute obligatory pit stop
¤ Driver change every 2nd pit stop
¤ No 4 cyl car, only v6 and v8, only NA (no turbo, supercharger, no gas or any power enhancers)
¤ No engine swaps, only stock engine in that car, otherwise you will get Miatas that are V6, v8 or even Rotary swapped
¤ To make it extra fun, only FF (Front wheel drive) cars, in inspiration of the Freedom Factory
¤ All of them must have the same tires that are bought on FF ground to make it fare for all cars.
¤ Most laps during a 6 hour sprint
¤ Minimum of two drivers per car
¤ A maximum of 6 people per team who shall handle both driving, pit stops and even all the repairs if any are needed, with there own tools
Just some ideas
And all of this can be scaled up if you decided to make the race longer then 6 hours.
My first thought about the 5 min pit after an hour is it either must be required by all to stop or, you can skip the stop, but you cannot pit till the next scheduled stop. That would be a challenge. During the race, if it becomes apparent that most people are skipping stops and making it to the next stop, maybe adjust the “rules”.😂
What about a V-8 Miata?
That would be allowed 😂