How to Start a Fight in the Middle Ages
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In the Middle Ages two armies encountering each other didn’t always lead to them actually fighting a battle. In many cases a demonstration of strength was sufficient so that the armies didn't have to engage or a peaceful diplomatic solution was found. But more often than not armies faced each other on a battlefield with clear intent. Yet, although the cause for a conflict was clear and it was certain that battle would take place, it did not just naturally begin. The immediate reason to start fighting had to be actively offered by one of the parties. This often involved… let's say rather vulgar means. In this video we will explore how modern historiography explains the three most common ways to start a fight in the Middle Ages.
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Son: "Mother, the roast is most excellent! May I have another serving?"
Father: "Is that any way to talk to your mother?"
Son: "Sorry mother. Hither to and fill my plate with roast woman."
Mother: "That's more like it."
"Your mother was a hamster, and
your father smelt of elderberries! Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!" - a great siege tactic to scare of the attackers.
Damn it you beat me too it.
Arthur: Go and tell your master that we have been charged by God with a sacred quest. If he will give us food and shelter for the night he can join us in our quest for the Holy Grail.
French knight: Well I'll ask him but I don't think he will be very keen, he's already got one you see?
Arthur: What? Are you sure he's got one?
French knight: Oh yes it's very nice.
Run away! Run away!
Fechez la vache
Translation: "Your mother sleeps around and your father is a drunkard." because hamstars where known for being promiscious and Elderberries where a prominent ingredient of alcoholic drinks.
"Sir, a messenger from the usupator Henry arrived."
- "What does he said?"-
"He asked us If we could get you from under the bed because he want to fight."
- "Tell him I am not done with his mother yet!" -
Henry's come to see
@@bizybliztaverage9414 and he’s feeling quite hungry
Surely, it would be better on top of the bed rather than under it?
@@roundedges2 Not when she's that ugly.
@@roundedges2
Monsters don’t live up there
-So uh, do you wanna fight?
-i dunno man we cant "just fight" you gotta set in the mood and stuff
Nothing yo mama insult cant fix
So, if I get it right, the way to start a fight is as follows:
1) Yo' momma.
2) Navy SEAL copypasta.
3) Come at me, bro.
I see, you are experienced in Gorilla-warfare as well.
truly a man of culture!
4) Wanna fight?
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I'd post the Navy SEAL copypasta but UA-cam would probably just instantly delete it.
Kpop isn't that great
I live in former Yugoslavia and I used this techniques to my Neighbour. My aim is to divide Montenegro into two countries.
A friend of mine’s family comes from Croatia. He basically calls Serbs hillbillies. “Ugh! Mountain people!”
I think he was kidding. ... Well, maybe not.
Tako treba :D
@@aleksapetrovic6519 🤣😂
i laughed at your comment, and then the username killed me. well played, Hannibal Burgers
You people really named your country 'Mountain Nigga'?
Aristotle once stated:
"Anybody can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way - that is not within everybody's power and is not easy"
A shame such phrase did not stop entire kingdoms and religions "of peace" to millitary expand themselves in the name of "rightious" anger. All the while being hipocritical enough to blame others of being bad for doing the exact same thing. Anger which for some reason exists even today and leads to people oppressing each others rigts and freedoms in the name of peace while making others feel bad for being against it. The more peaceful a kingdom, country, political ideology or, specially, religion portrays itself as, the more anger they tend to "morally" expand and justify and when you point it out and explain why its bad, their world shatters since they have never considered it like that in their whole lives and call you ignorant. Nice phrase, it summarizes all of that.
@@alexcorvuscazador5596 Yeah islam had a way of riling its followers into war.
@@alexcorvuscazador5596 Yes, whenever someone feels the need to proclaim a trait that they have, I immediately suspect the opposite.
@@bruhguy2356 Westerners always have a way of projecting their experience with Christianity onto Islam. Even in a video predominantly about Europe.
@@lastword8783 Nope. Purely my experience with Islam. You know the Crusades were retaliation to retake the lands that were just lost, right? It wasn’t just the Middle East either, Spain was being overrun.
Soldiers(after months of grueling march in a foreign land): " Why are we still here just to suffer?"
Enemy: " You mother..."
Soldiers: "OH, IT'S ON!"
YOUR MOTHER WAS A HAMSTER AND YOUR FATHER SMELT OF ELDERBERRIES
And today is the exact same
“The Supreme Art of War is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
Therefore, *NI!*
OK what kind of shrubbery do you want
Therefore, NI-
@@boilingpoint760 not too expensive!
make fun of "thy mother"
Elites - "you are not a people"
Dumb masses - "we are not a people"
Theres must be a knight in middle ages who specialise in trash talking the enemy
There is one in The Arthurian legends: Sir Dinadan.
Go, bring Henry to the front lines, he needs to taunt the Flemish for us, for they hired Günther to do their taunting!
This is part of a fight, an enemy blind by rage is a dead enemy. Musashi used this tatic, he always shows up late in his duel meetings just to annoy his enemy.
Any Viking.
Gutz the Iron Hand is known to have invented the phrase "Kiss my ass"
Love the "Yo mama so fat her belly reach the holy land before we do". Ngl, he deserved to be honored for that burn.
"Wanna fight?"
"No."
"I guess thy mother was right about thee."
*Glares* "Pick up thy weapon!"
“Well where are you from then?”
“I’m French! Can’t you tell from my outrageous accent?”
“What are you doing in England?”
“Mind your own business!”
Love that movie
@@nickbrowning3270 which one?
@@bugrilyus Monty python: holy grail, It’s old now but still hold up IMO
@@nickbrowning3270 oh ok. I know that one. I thought you were talking about another one.
battles differed from bar fights how they were fought but not how they were started xD
In Australia, one *could* start a fight in a bar, by merely placing an upturned empty glass on the counter.
lol
@@LukeBunyip I shall keep this in mind if I'm ever in the great penal colony
They drank nothing but alcohol
@@LukeBunyip ohhh, halo, from, Balikpapan, East Borneo. Indonesia.
The 'Seemingly Fair Challenge' is the medieval ancestor of the 'Hold Me Back Bro'.
"Bro, you're hiding behind walls for real? I didn't believe my boi Frederick when he said y'all were a cut below, but apparently he was dialing in Straight Fax!"
*proceeds to get an ass kicking*
Yo boi Frederick be trippin yo
So, online gaming keeps the medieval customs alive?
So pritty much Xxxpussydestroyer69xxX is keeping the tradition alive.
Many athletes have similar traditions. Obviously, competition in general shares many elements with fights and duels.
Not enough racial slurs lol
"How to Start a Fight in the Middle Ages"
>punch
>proceed to declare a war for the next 100 years
"Didst... though just bite thine thumb at me?"
"Verily, I dideth such an insult upon you!"
"Dost thou seek to swappeth hands?"
"Verily!"
"What, you egg?"
[He stabs him]
-Act 4, Scene 2 of Shakespeare's play, Macbeth
“Lay with dogs that are your chambermaids” -Agatha knight
Just like making love, making war requires foreplay
Both kings and generals ,and sandRHoman uploaded at the same time.
Coincidence? I think NOT!
It’s a good day.
Being obsessed with honor is clearly the cause of a great many number of deaths over the centuries
Even today it still happens in Islamic countries.
@Albert Felsen While I agree agree with you, I can't help feeling somewhat dismayed at just how easily people will throw away their lives given the right excuse, regardless of time period
And yet if you don’t defend your honor in modern times, you are perceived as a punk, a pushover and a doormat where people can abuse you at whim. Looks like our ancestors had it right. Bring back duels!
@@greenrocket23 life is temporary, the emperor is eternal. the sooner you learn this the sooner you can free yourself from the musing of heresy, my child.
And this way of thinking is coming back to Europa again. By immigration.
The Combat of the Thirty (1351) is probably the best example of a group fight in history.
And the exit of Bohemond of Taranto's Crusader army out of the protection of Antioch's city walls during the siege in order to face Kerbogha's entire army in an open battle -- the Battle of Antioch (1098) -- is probably the best example of a challenge in history.
This is a haven for Monty Python taunts.
They represent the Holy Grail of medieval abuse. 😎
The chroniclers were writing to an audience of their own time. So the fact that the pattern of insults was widespread suggests that people of the chroniclers' times accepted that the people of the events' times would act and respond that way. The systematic usage of the insult/responding to insult literary device could simply reflect that there was generally the impression of greater chivalry in the past.
A good event that you could have included was when the Teuton knights brought 2 crossed swords to the polish king Władysław IV as a way to encourage him to start battle. Grunwald 1410
Edit: Władysław II not IV
It was Władysław II* but otherwise, you're correct.
Teutonic messengers, in a mocking tone, offered to the Polish King two swords and also informed him that the Teutonic army can make more space for him and his army so he won't need to hide in bushes and come into the open field instead. His answer according to the Annales Regni Poloniae was: "Although I do not need the swords of my enemies, because I have enough of them in my army, but in the Name of God, for more help, protection, and defense in my righteous cause, I also accept these two swords brought by you and sent by enemies thirsting for my blood and ruin of my army."
Not uninterestinly, Wladislav won the battle
So chroniclers were more honest than modern news media
Based
Most back alley thieves are more honest than them.
Not really. I mean Roman conquest of Gaul can be summed up as:
Julius Caesar was a cool guy.
-Julius Caesar
Also remember that Muslims back then were discribed by Catholics as Pagans like in Epic of Rollo which is either propaganda or ignorance.
I really apreciate you going into the ethos and pathos of these things rather than simply the nitty gritty tactics. really brings the setting more to life when you examine how someone thinks rather than simply what they do.
Any history video that gets the comments section making Monty Python references is good in my book
I love it when you talk historical method and historiography.
The Franco-Prussian War of 1870 basically started because Napoleon III couldn't take the way Bismarck was talking to him. So it's not entirely without use in modern times.
It's simpler than you think: call the other guy an empty-headed animal food trough wiper and threaten to fart in his general direction.
This is my favourite video on your channel. The self-reflexive review of sources like chronicles was very eye opening for me, and placing the source review in the middle of the video, adjacent to the actual topic it's supporting, is fantastic. Thanks for this
LOL, I don't think I've ever laughed that hard at just a thumbnail.... "THY MOTHER,,,
LOL!
Listening to this made me think about all these times two celebrities have some trivial dispute and loudly challenge each other to boxing matches that never happen, but both sides walk away saying they were ready to go.
Again this channel gives superb and at times amusing History content. Especially going into details that I have not found before
This guide will be super usefull as I seek to start a medieval fight where I live.
"Do you know what is good? Your mother"
Then they fought. And we fight.
SandRhoman’s videos are so good. I can’t stop watching them.
All I knew about medieval Europe from history class is that there was a good bit of fighting, but never knew the history was so rich and complex.
Watching these videos should be required for any student of history.
History is a bunch of people fighting
The knights of the Teutonic Order used that tactic before the Battle of Grundwald they sent Władysław II Jagiełło a couple of plain swords to provoke the battle by implying that Jogaila (Jagiełło) and Vytautas would be acting cowardly if they delayed the battle, it did not worked as the knights would had liked, they lost and the swords became a symbol of Poland, they can be seen in the statue of King Jagiełło in Central Park.
The context of this is also important: Jagiełło chose his ground so that his soldiers could use the shade of a small forest to rest on a hot summer day, while the Teutonic knights were boiling in their armour standing in full sun. So obviously they wanted to start the fight as soon as possible. The envoys carrying the swords reportedly said that Jagiełło can use these if he hasn't enough swords of his own, to which he replied that "We have plenty, but let us take these as a good omen".
Great guide. Can't wait to use some of these next time I travel down to London. There ought to be some roadside taverns on the way where I can use these.
Great citations! The mark of a true historian! Keep up the good work!
This is swiftly becoming one of my favourite history channels.
Awesome and very educative!
Awesome as always
Yes! This made my sunday!
Amazing video, keep going with the good job!
It'a good to see you getting more subscribers, it's been too long you were severely undersubscribed.
Love your work :)
What an excellent presentation on a subject I hadn't really thought about much before That word "Honour" has been the cause of so much bloodshed in centuries past. Nice to see some new figures in the animation. Keep up the good work! 👍
Honor in the feudal system was tied to legitimacy. If you let your honor be damaged enough then loyalties may change. It's not like today. Today we know our politicians are all scumbags and backstabbers.
Amazing content!
Awesome video.
Were there any historic instances of a battle being settled by a fight between one representative (champion) for each army?
9:33 - I like what you did there with the picture of Henry IV :-)
when did it stop though?
my guess is when cannons are long range enough that yuo'd rather shoot first, taunt later
More likely because armies became professional and country leaders stop leading them. Thus the bigger slight on the honor of the officer was for him to lose the kings army in a fight then to have his honor insulted by the enemy.
Basically, it stopped when feudalism went away.
Insulting the personal honour of a lord was a big deal under feudalism because society was organised based on personal allegiance. a knight didn't fight "for France" or whatever, he fought for the king, because he'd pledged loyalty to the king, as a person. So if a lord was considered unworthy, the other nobles had an honourable excuse to betray him.
Early Modern states didn't work that way anymore -- the king was still important, but power was more abstract and indirect and bureaucratic. So it didn't really matter if your enemy called the king a shithead because you were part of a cause and an organisation that went beyond the king as an individual.
Some continued into the early modern period, particularly the mocking of boasts after a war. From Hal and Tow and English mayday song
“What happened to the Spaniards who made so great a boast oh?,
Well they shall eat the feathered Goose and we will eat the roast oh”
This refers to the Enterprise of England I.e. the armada campaign. The “feathered goose” is probably a kenning for arrow similar to “a cloth yard” the first refers to the fletching of the arrow with goose feathers while the second to the length of a properly sized arrow for the archer as both the shaft and a yard of cloth are measured in the same way.
Ask Chesty Puller or Anthony McCauliff.
There was a battle in the Civil War, where the commanders were friends of each other, so the commander with more experienced escorted the other man around his army, and convinced him to surrender or withdraw; either way, he won the battle without fighting.
How to start a fight in the middle ages:
Insult them.
Ahhhh, war really doesn't change, does it?
interesting video, thanks.
I'd love to know more about saxony and the other german territories sometime.
I just arrived in 700 AD; your video came super handy since I had no previous experience on how to trigger the enemy. Thanks god for this video! A Time Traveler
"Call the bastard immodest names"
XD
Can you do a video about general European history which covers a century for example and focuses on the big picture and geopolitics. I don't know how popular it would be but that's my suggestion, I think it would make a great video or series. Love your videos by the way, thanks very much for your work.
"After visiting thy wife, my loins do itch most terribly! Come at me brethren!" 😆
yeah it's always important to remember that cronichales portrait there patreons in a more favorable light, so consulting multiple sources FROM BOTH SIDES is very important when trying to understant hystory , HOWEVER, it is also important to remember that this will always be the case, even today the story will change if you switch the tv chanel or if you read about said event from a diferent news article. Even today, if you want to know about, lets say the conflict in the middle east in the Levant, the story will change depending on who you are watching, and i would be really curious what our followers will think of us 300 years from now when they see how much many of our Chronicles modified events to fit there patreons story, in an age were is sooo much more easy to verify a story
great video tho, a subject i myself not rly considered, and can't say i'v seen any1 else do a vid on
Interesting video
About honor: will you make a video about how duels worked, rules of engagements, including more recent ages, use of pistols, etc?
Having written a Term Paper about the conflict between Henry IV and the saxons. This gave me some great new viewpoints especially about Brunos intention behind demoting Henry .o.
Hey dude, love your work, keep it up! I have a question (anyone else who can answer may do so too, I'd love to have multiple answers): have you ever read War in the middle ages by Philipe Contamine and if so what's your opinion on it? I was thinking of getting it but it's pretty old and I don't know how accurate the information in it is
Nobody going to talk about how Gotz the Iron Hand invented the phrase "Kiss my arse!"
Gotz von Berlichten doesn't get enough credit for being awesome.
The most funny insults were used by Turcish and Hungarian warriors when they were organizing a duel, it was like a ceremony. They sent the invitations in Hungarian by letters and it was a mix of politeness and insulting what you knew would work on the other party. The captain Thury György is said to have killed more than 600 Turcs in duels of this type and was thought to be invincible before he was ambushed and his head was sent to Stambul. One of his swords is still preserved in the National Museum of Hungary, it is an Arabic blade which was surely one of his prizes, fit with a Hungarian guard.
Sand Rhoman. Sir. That's the best funny history lesson I ever got. I'm greatfull to you for it. I love it. Sadly s persons broke. I hope a rich person helps you out monetarily. Where can I learn all about starting fights in s book? Do you know? From Craig. This is good is it all though?
Funny how warfare had devolved, Roman would have laughed then come back later and killed them all
It was tactically more advanced at this time I think.
"Let us find a peaceful solution, good Sir."
"Your horse smells funny."
"I BATHE IN YOUR BLOOD!"
@9:28 I'd recognize that painting of Henry IV anywhere.
How to start a fight in them middle-ages:
"And I'm telling you that the only stench heartier than your rotting burrick of a master is the liquor on his fetid breath."
By them sending a message that they were going to fast before battle could also be interpreted as the brothers saying “we are preparing to meet god soon!” To show the seriousness. They probably wholeheartedly attempted to draw the elder brother into some sort of trap. He was smart to leave 👌🏽
Medieval "Yo mamas"
So apparently that's timeless
DEMETRIUS
Villain, what hast thou done?
AARON
That which thou canst not undo.
CHIRON
Thou hast undone our mother.
AARON
Villain, I have done thy mother.
--William Shakespeare
Please could you explain the fasting before battle?
great ! a lot of new facts for me that i did not know .... but may i draw your attention to some tiny mistake. when you explain an event in 1080 ad concerning king henry 4th, there is an image shown of king henry the 4th indeed - but i shows henry bolingbroke (king henry 4th of england, who lived around 300 years later).
‘Thy’ was the familiar form so a lout in the Middle Ages would use ‘your’.
Allowing for the many dialects at the time. But by Elizabethan times ‘thy’ had become limited to use with social inferiors, servants and children, which is why it died out, it was seen as an insulting way to address someone. So the thumbnail works for the Elizabethan period. After that ‘thy’ acquired an Olde Worlde role as an indicator of archaic speech.
Exact opposite of what happened in Swedish recently (since WW2), when the formal pronoun died out, but for much the same reasons, it came to be regarded as stuffy and hierarchical, in the era of postwar Swedish egalitarianism.
The siege of Alascon is just one of the reasons why William is known in chronicles written by people he couldn’t kill refer to him as William the Bastard or just The Bastard.
Minor error at 9:28 the picture used to show Henry IV the Holy Roman Emperor (1084 - 1105) is actually Henry IV of England (1399 - 1413) besides from that another great video.
An excellent companion to this video is LindyBeige's , in which men's need for status is explained.
Could it be that the advent of impersonal tactics like cannonades/indirect artillery fire and also the scale of the battles in the early modern period led to a decline in the use of taunts in starting the battle?
Haven't watched the video yet, but the thumbnail is hilarious.
"Hey buddy I think you got the wrong door, the leather club is two blocks down"
This video, explain alot of my observation in my Country, why easy to humiliate wrong doer, than to stop endless, blood feud, based on insult, or joke on other Indonesian culture.
This reminds me of the famous book " a hundred and one ways to start a fight" by an Irish gentleman whose name eludes me for the moment
"You guys wanna fight?"
"Thems fighting words!"
No
"Your mother was a Lizard!"
I'll buy someone a drink if they know that one
I really love your work guys!
I think the Siege of Jerusalem in the 1st Crusade was also a great example of mockery on medieval battlefields. I once read that while under siege, the muslim garrison paraded crosses on the walls, urinated and spit on them while the "Franks" led a barefoot procession around the city.
From Romance of the Three Kingdoms, one of the best insults I remember is Zhuge Liang trying to goad Sima Yi to come out of his fortification to fight. At one point Zhuge Liang sends Sima Yi a dress, implying he was a woman for refusing to fight. The plan somewhat backfired when Zhuge Liang saw Sima Yi actually put on the dress.
Sima Yi actually had a good reason to refuse the fight. Zhuge Liang was a brilliant strategist and even with superior numbers, Sima Yi knew he could not defeat him. However Sima Yi had time on his side and knew he could win by just waiting for Zhuge Liang's supplies to run out.
1. How to start a medieval fight:
"I will drink from your skull! / That's a nice head you have on your shoulders!"
2. How to win a medieval fight:
F1+F3
the function of honor in nature is to ensure the thriving of your tribe, family and children. therefore it is always the ideal honorable thing to do that which protects/provides for your kin, both in the short and long term.
sometimes, though rarely, that is throwing your life away in a highrisk gamble. though most times, unless rockbottom/against a wall, it is better there are far better ways to "fight another day" or to provide for your children more.
If you die and you tribe does too, then noone in your kin will be honored. so rarely is it the best.
Your french pronunciation is pretty decent sometimes, most youtubers butcher a lot of names but you're pretty close
edit: just saw your bio is from switzerland, you probably speak french then but with a swiss accent which I couldnt pick up, im from canada
An elegant insult is always far more damaging than a vulgar word 👌
Unless the other guy is so dull that he doesn't understand what you mean.
must have been off the charts buckets off BLOOD go bizerko and have fun
I use AE to animate. Naturally it's quite inferior to all Autodesk programs, but on the other hand, it's nice to use Illustrator to make the drawings and parts first, and then just key frame them in AE. Hell, if it's only simple animations, you can even do it in Premiere entirely.
At 09:30 when talking about Henry IV. you accidentally put an image of Henry IV King of England not Henry IV the King of Germany. They also lived more than 300 years apart.
13:48 How did you get Skallagrim to cameo for this video? He didn't come here to start a fight, he came here to end it rightly!
1 time watching. Liked it imagine talking shit but being polite about it 😂. I almost died 🤣 on that quote.
Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks by Repin