Good case plays, good explanations, and I particularly like when you go into a full "what if" explanation such as with Play 2, covering all the possible bases that could have occurred if the delayed violation and/or the foul were enforced. I find that particularly helpful to not skim over, as we are left with a fuller picture of what to do in the many possible scenarios and outcomes.
Bonus play wow. The ref that made a call didn't even stop the clock. This is perfect, he is probably the saying of must know the right people to get to ref this game. Poor machanics
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From Wales. when my son was playing, my son was shooting free throws on the 2nd free throw the defending player boxing out elbowed him in the throat. The ref was switched on and disqualified the opposition player . I have been a player for 35 years and refereeing for 3years and this is the only other similar situation I have seen (play 2)
Play 1, that is my alma mater! Good call. Question though. What if the throw in is on the back court endline after a made try. The throw in is an end-line throw in which allows the thrower to move along the end line. Player A2 runs out of bounds and receives pass OoB and then throws it back to A1 after A1 has established herself on the court?
Play 1 (23:40). Since this is a throw-in, even under old rules this would be legal. This is what I thought before your explanation. The main thing is that this was a designated spot throw-in which makes the players going OOB a violation. Play 4 (12:04). When I saw this play, I noted the first shot did not hit the rim so no reset. I then ruled a held ball with white retaining possession. The shot clock should not have been reset as we have no change in possession and should be reset to 21 seconds. With the call that was ruled on the court [travel], shot clock should be 35 seconds. Bonus OOB play (17:53). I see a tip by white on the video. However, the camera is in a better position to see if the ball was tipped. Definitely asking for help though.
Do tell, Greg: what would you have done with the illegal uniform in in the state final game (6:16)? (a) Direct T to the coach, he sits for the rest of the game, and 2 foul shots for White? Or (b) let it slide? I've got to know!
Jeff, the thing we have here is all of the state representatives present. We can go to them pre-game and say here is the situation. We need to enforce the rules. What direction do you want to go? If it was a game in a preceding round? We can never go wrong by enforcing the rules. This isn't a spirit and intent of the rules situation. These unis are illegal and there is a specific penalty when that is the case. I'm for enforcing the penalty until I'm told not to.
Yes, volutarily leave the court to avoid a screen, or simply players in the way on the court, is legal as long as the player is not the next to touch upon returning to the court.
Play #2 - not enough contact to crush a grape, the ball goes in AND the shooter is leaning back - play on. To what "delayed violation" are you referring? "a player may not cross the line prior to the ball contacting the ring"??? What line? I've never heard that rule, please provide citation.
I got this one Greg. Rule 9-1-3h "Players occupying marked free-throw lane lines spaces may not enter the free-throw semicircle until the ball touches the ring or until the free-throw ends." The line being referred to is the free-throw line as well as the the semicircle which is attached to it. No one may enter and no one may exit that semicircle until the ball touches the rim or the free-throw ends. Now, if this is a defender violating the rule, it is known as a "delayed violation." That means the official acknowledges that the violation has occurred by having a straight arm sticking horizontally to their side with a closed fist, and if the shot is successful then the violation is not penalized and play continues on. If the shot is not successful, the official then stops the play and awards the free-thrower a replacement shot. If the violation is on the free-throw shooter or their teammate, then the play becomes dead immediately, the shot is canceled, and the free-thrower loses the opportunity to shoot that free-throw as a penalty of the violation. If you are asking yourself now "well what about the players who are NOT occupying marked free-throw lane line spaces?" Well they are covered by Rule 9-1-3f "A player, other than the free thrower, who does not occupy a marked lane space, may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the free-throw line extended and the three-point line which is farther from the basket until the ball touches the ring or until the free throw ends." As for the non-grape crushing contact... players are entitled to the space they are legally standing in. With that being said, if you move them out of that space by using contact, even if your contact is soft and gentle, it is still illegal displacement. If they give up the space themselves, well then there is no issue.
True. This play is from Georgia. NFHS shot clock rules have 35 for both. Some states choose to reset to a lower number is some situations. Cali may be an outlier in the future. I'll be interested to see how they may change.
@@BetterOfficials I would like to see girls switch to 35 second shot clock, 10 second back court, and 5 seconds closely guarded just like the boys. No need for them to differentiate on that in today's game.
Play 2, Greg, you had 2 scenarios where the lane would be cleared for the replacement free throws. Can you explain your first scenario with the lanes being cleared, please?
Play 2. If ft goes in and a foul is ruled against defender of Ft shooter, why would lane be cleared for those shots (if in bonus). I believe shooters is awarded two Ft with players lined up in lane spaces.
Hi Steve, I was describing what we would do if the try was UNSUCCESSFUL. If successful we would resume with lane spaces filled and the resulting bonus free throws.
Good case plays, good explanations, and I particularly like when you go into a full "what if" explanation such as with Play 2, covering all the possible bases that could have occurred if the delayed violation and/or the foul were enforced. I find that particularly helpful to not skim over, as we are left with a fuller picture of what to do in the many possible scenarios and outcomes.
I really appreciate it when you put the violation reference in the video so I can go read more
Bonus play wow. The ref that made a call didn't even stop the clock. This is perfect, he is probably the saying of must know the right people to get to ref this game. Poor machanics
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From Wales. when my son was playing, my son was shooting free throws on the 2nd free throw the defending player boxing out elbowed him in the throat. The ref was switched on and disqualified the opposition player . I have been a player for 35 years and refereeing for 3years and this is the only other similar situation I have seen (play 2)
not until a pass was made to one of them first
Play 1, that is my alma mater! Good call. Question though. What if the throw in is on the back court endline after a made try. The throw in is an end-line throw in which allows the thrower to move along the end line. Player A2 runs out of bounds and receives pass OoB and then throws it back to A1 after A1 has established herself on the court?
Legal play for a non-designated spot throw-in. Not affected by the new rule change.
Play 1 (23:40). Since this is a throw-in, even under old rules this would be legal. This is what I thought before your explanation. The main thing is that this was a designated spot throw-in which makes the players going OOB a violation. Play 4 (12:04). When I saw this play, I noted the first shot did not hit the rim so no reset. I then ruled a held ball with white retaining possession. The shot clock should not have been reset as we have no change in possession and should be reset to 21 seconds. With the call that was ruled on the court [travel], shot clock should be 35 seconds. Bonus OOB play (17:53). I see a tip by white on the video. However, the camera is in a better position to see if the ball was tipped. Definitely asking for help though.
Do tell, Greg: what would you have done with the illegal uniform in in the state final game (6:16)? (a) Direct T to the coach, he sits for the rest of the game, and 2 foul shots for White? Or (b) let it slide? I've got to know!
Jeff, the thing we have here is all of the state representatives present. We can go to them pre-game and say here is the situation. We need to enforce the rules. What direction do you want to go? If it was a game in a preceding round? We can never go wrong by enforcing the rules. This isn't a spirit and intent of the rules situation. These unis are illegal and there is a specific penalty when that is the case. I'm for enforcing the penalty until I'm told not to.
And this year, it is a Point of Emphasis! Team's bear the responsibility.
Question on play one - well sort of. with the 2023 rule change, if a player leaves the court to avoid a screen, is this legal under the rule change?
Yes, volutarily leave the court to avoid a screen, or simply players in the way on the court, is legal as long as the player is not the next to touch upon returning to the court.
Play #2 - not enough contact to crush a grape, the ball goes in AND the shooter is leaning back - play on. To what "delayed violation" are you referring? "a player may not cross the line prior to the ball contacting the ring"??? What line? I've never heard that rule, please provide citation.
I got this one Greg. Rule 9-1-3h "Players occupying marked free-throw lane lines spaces may not enter the free-throw semicircle until the ball touches the ring or until the free-throw ends."
The line being referred to is the free-throw line as well as the the semicircle which is attached to it. No one may enter and no one may exit that semicircle until the ball touches the rim or the free-throw ends.
Now, if this is a defender violating the rule, it is known as a "delayed violation." That means the official acknowledges that the violation has occurred by having a straight arm sticking horizontally to their side with a closed fist, and if the shot is successful then the violation is not penalized and play continues on. If the shot is not successful, the official then stops the play and awards the free-thrower a replacement shot. If the violation is on the free-throw shooter or their teammate, then the play becomes dead immediately, the shot is canceled, and the free-thrower loses the opportunity to shoot that free-throw as a penalty of the violation.
If you are asking yourself now "well what about the players who are NOT occupying marked free-throw lane line spaces?" Well they are covered by Rule 9-1-3f "A player, other than the free thrower, who does not occupy a marked lane space, may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the free-throw line extended and the three-point line which is farther from the basket until the ball touches the ring or until the free throw ends."
As for the non-grape crushing contact... players are entitled to the space they are legally standing in. With that being said, if you move them out of that space by using contact, even if your contact is soft and gentle, it is still illegal displacement. If they give up the space themselves, well then there is no issue.
@@OpaTheOpenminded Thanks!
Girls shot clock in California is 30 seconds and not 35 (play 3)
True. This play is from Georgia. NFHS shot clock rules have 35 for both. Some states choose to reset to a lower number is some situations. Cali may be an outlier in the future. I'll be interested to see how they may change.
@@BetterOfficials I would like to see girls switch to 35 second shot clock, 10 second back court, and 5 seconds closely guarded just like the boys. No need for them to differentiate on that in today's game.
@@OpaTheOpenminded I agree they should be the same. I say 30 seconds! Surprised Boys hasn't gotten shorter.
Play 2, Greg, you had 2 scenarios where the lane would be cleared for the replacement free throws. Can you explain your first scenario with the lanes being cleared, please?
I had the same question.
I addressed this question (in a fashion) with Play #4 in this week's show: ua-cam.com/video/EBKl4EcBsoY/v-deo.htmlsi=ajVHiL3387iiundH&t=607
Thank you
as with the illegal uniform in the state playoffs, the state may have given the team a waiver on the uniforms
Possible I suppose.
Play 2. If ft goes in and a foul is ruled against defender of Ft shooter, why would lane be cleared for those shots (if in bonus). I believe shooters is awarded two Ft with players lined up in lane spaces.
4:56 time stamp
Hi Steve, I was describing what we would do if the try was UNSUCCESSFUL. If successful we would resume with lane spaces filled and the resulting bonus free throws.
On the pass to herself, is proper call travelling because she did not attempt a dribble?
The player had dribbled previously. When she released to ball and then picked it up again that is considered a second dribble.
If she had not dribbled previously and retrieved her own pass like she did, is it still a violation?