I'm officially naming this recipe: Cinematic Chrome haha. Are you always shooting Log? What do you think!? Right now I'm still about 70/30 between Cinematic Chrome and F-Log 2. (p.s. for fun here's my original video from 3 years ago: ua-cam.com/video/qg8MBaCBkr4/v-deo.html)
Always enjoy your content man. Our team shoots in Classic Chrome exclusively for weddings and it’s so easy to grade. It always surprises me how far you can push the Rec709 files when grading too. Thanks for the tone curve idea!
I'm glad I'm not the only one that loves Classic Chrome for video. Just love the color tones in the skin and sky with Classic Chrome. F-Log gives me some funky color noise in the skin and dark shadows. So I pretty much stick with Classic Chrome or Eterna (f-log replacement).
Many thanks for this. Indeed very nice recipe. Just tested this out, and compared it with F-Log2C for a high contrast scene. As a newby, I was somewhat flabbergasted to realise side by side what a difference f-log makes in terms of preserving all the details in highlights and shadows for a high contrast scene. But whether the scene requires this, is certainly an artistic case to case decision.
great images and colour, have often felt tempted to switch to fuji from the panasonic S1, just for the colours, but I shoot weddings in 4k 60 and hear fuji cameras can overheat using those frames rates, what's you experience as a fellow wedding videographer?
Thanks for this, haven't shot video in a while but already tried this recipe for stills (but actually increased color to +2). Works great and can't wait to try it with video, too!
thank you man! I actually will release a video tomorrow about that. And I find cinematic chrome to be cleaner than f-log in lowlight, of course that's normal for rec709 vs log just because the nature of a log curve, but ya I like CC in darker venues too!
I've used Classic Chrome for a couple of my short films on my UA-cam channel because of your recommendation and it looks super nice, so thanks John. My friend has helped me out with editing and post production with his PC, but now I'm living in Morocco and I'm using a laptop which is pretty powerful, but when i shoot in 10 bit 265, the playback footage is stuttering in DaVinci Resolve (free version). Therefore, would you recommend shooting in 8 bit or do you have any tips on how to playback footage smoothly in DaVinci without the stuttering? The reason I'm asking if shooting in 8 bit with Classic Chrome or Eterna is a good idea is because I'm wondering if that is enough for UA-cam videos and whether or not 10 bit is necessary? Thanks dude and once again, you've really helped and inspired me to become a hybrid shooter and more of a videographer with my X-T4 👍
Super glad to hear all of that!! Thanks for the kind words. I would say 8bit is enough for starting out for sure. 10bit can be very helpful as you progress in skill, but many of my early videos were 8bit and people still loved the colors and I had great success that way. I would only say you need to expose and white balance better because you have less wiggle room later!
Usually a content creator will make something that contradict their previous statement, like "I Was Wrong About blablabla, Here's Why" with facepalm thumbnail. But John really want us to use Classic Chrome for the rest of our life 🤣 BTW i prefer the tone at 4:10. Can you explain what gear did you use and also the settings?
hahahaha incredible comment, just you wait till my next video... 😵 "I CAN'T BELIEVE _____" 😅 -- but seriously I'm stillllll rocking Cinematic Chrome and I hope it never dies! at 4:10 is the back of camera clip? I honestly can't remember, but I think it was xt4 with kit lens and cinematic chrome.
Honestly, I find F-Log causing me a lot more trouble than recording in a Rec. 709 format - with F-Log the shadows are blotchy and the artifacts are just all over the place. What I do instead is using Eterna set to DR400 as a passthrough format on my X-T4, remove the SD card and let it record directly onto my Atomos Ninja V, where the signal hits a LUT from Emotive Color that's being baked into the recording. The LUT converts the Eterna profile back to F-Log and then converts it to an ARRI Rec. 709 image, giving me results that looks exactly like it would, if it was captured on an ARRI Alexa 🙂 The LUT has an inbuild highlight ceiling, that prevents highlights from clipping and with DR set to 400, I've almost got the same flexibility that F-Log provides. Besides that, you get ARRI's colorscience instead of Fuji 😉
Well, I gotta say, this sounds like one of those moments where as long as it works for you then it works!! Haha I’m sure it’s a clean workflow once you’re accustomed to it, hopefully someone else finds this and gives it a try! Thanks for the contribution my man🙌🏼
You are an independent thinker and that's great. You look at the evidence and test the theories and come up with the logical answer not the one everyone else brainlessly parrots. The only time you need Log is when the dynamic range of the subject exceeds what the camera can capture. Usually this is way less then ten stops so brainlessly squashing those stops into the center of a 13-15 stop waveform and then stretching them out in post does nothing but add noise to the image. The cleanest digital image is the one with the least amount digital manipulation. The ideal, would be to shoot a ten stop image on a ten stop waveform and doing no stretching or squeezing in post at all. That is what you have discovered with your experimentation and what the great photographer Ansel Adams discovered long ago with his Zone System. Good thinking!
@@johnstamw and do you use any LUT on the cinematic (classic)) chrome setting? I could be wrong, if your video "CC vs flog" a little bit different in terms of colors...
@@joevee5619 ah, hey ignorance just means you can't know what you don't know! not bad to ask questions! rec709 just means "standard" video aka compared to Log or Raw or HLG recording which are different color spaces(i might even be goofing the technical language there), but point being: when recording in the "film simulations" you are recording a rec709 format!
I find then it's coming out too flat which makes it hard to not just make the switch over to F-Log, also it changes the base iso which part of the benefit of Classic Chrome for me is the low 160 iso.
although you dont use LOG the footage that you are used to edit is 10bit, right? im looking for a good grading profile for my XT20 do you think this profile is any good on 8bit footage? have you ever tested this on 8bit? great video and colors!
I do still use log, but oh yeah this classic chrome is safer on 8 bit footage in my opinion, here's two videos shot + edited from this color profile on the XT30: ua-cam.com/video/6HTxWH9UMbk/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/VP6p_fywq-c/v-deo.html.
I do use this periodically for photos as well, however for straight-out-of-camera jpegs I often just use a slightly modified portra 400 v2 from fujixweekly
I always use Eterna it gives me enough space to color grade and get amazing colors I was using before F-log 2 but I felt that the video have so much grain and noise.
I'm officially naming this recipe: Cinematic Chrome haha. Are you always shooting Log? What do you think!? Right now I'm still about 70/30 between Cinematic Chrome and F-Log 2. (p.s. for fun here's my original video from 3 years ago: ua-cam.com/video/qg8MBaCBkr4/v-deo.html)
Always enjoy your content man. Our team shoots in Classic Chrome exclusively for weddings and it’s so easy to grade. It always surprises me how far you can push the Rec709 files when grading too. Thanks for the tone curve idea!
Thank you man!! Yes amen, it's always always surprising, I've got a video coming in the next couple days demonstrating an exposure tip too!
funny seeing you here Ryan. lol
@@tjrosemond3232 worlds colliding?!
@@johnstamw Yessir. Ryan and I work for the same company 😂
@@tjrosemond3232 wow, that's awesome!!
I’ve been grading with your recipe and luts from the beginning; it’s unbelievable! thanks man
wow that's super rad to hear! I need to check out some of your work!!
Just the video I needed. Didn't want to do the extra effort with f-log for home videos, vlogging etc.
Thanks again! 🫶🏾🔥
Can't recommend it enough, I hope the results speak for themselves.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that loves Classic Chrome for video. Just love the color tones in the skin and sky with Classic Chrome.
F-Log gives me some funky color noise in the skin and dark shadows. So I pretty much stick with Classic Chrome or Eterna (f-log replacement).
Many thanks for this. Indeed very nice recipe. Just tested this out, and compared it with F-Log2C for a high contrast scene. As a newby, I was somewhat flabbergasted to realise side by side what a difference f-log makes in terms of preserving all the details in highlights and shadows for a high contrast scene. But whether the scene requires this, is certainly an artistic case to case decision.
Hey John. Thank you very much for your amazing Fujifilm tips you provide for free. The way your footage looks is such an inspiration to me.
Always love the vids John. I might finally give this a try. Next show us how you color it. 😉
I do definitely need to put together some more grading videos huh? 😏
I appreciate this. I am new to color grading and filming Log on my Sony is so hard and long.
@@Life_of_TUSH yup! not always necessary to shoot Log!
Bro, I’m jealous of that golden glow behind you. 😅 I’ve also been wanting to create my own look with the film sims.
I got that golden hour halo I guess haha!! you should!
@@johnstamw you definitely do bro. 🙏🙏 and I will
great images and colour, have often felt tempted to switch to fuji from the panasonic S1, just for the colours, but I shoot weddings in 4k 60 and hear fuji cameras can overheat using those frames rates, what's you experience as a fellow wedding videographer?
Thank you. I’ll give this a try. Looking for something different.
hope you tried it and liked it!
Man this hits home so much. Thank for this great content
i'm so glad!!
I'm gonna be testing this out!
i think you'll like it!
Thanks for this, haven't shot video in a while but already tried this recipe for stills (but actually increased color to +2). Works great and can't wait to try it with video, too!
that's awesome!! yeah go give it a try and let me know if you like it!
John...Thanks for the settings video...Do you have a video on how you expose while shooting without the Nija v ...of course using classic chrome
I'm never using a Ninja! When I'm recording I use all 3 tools: EV, histogram, & zebras. Usually in that order of importance.
Great video! Would like to see auto-focus/manual focus tips! God bless you
I should get around to that! May Jesus bless you as well!
Can’t you record in F log and apply the classic chrome simulation lut downloaded from Fuji?
no, fujifilm only provides a LUT that converts f-log to Eterna or WDR rec.709
I just got my Fujix100vi. Will this work on it?
Your footage is gorgeous! Do you overexpose? How does this go with inside venues and low light?
thank you man! I actually will release a video tomorrow about that. And I find cinematic chrome to be cleaner than f-log in lowlight, of course that's normal for rec709 vs log just because the nature of a log curve, but ya I like CC in darker venues too!
I've used Classic Chrome for a couple of my short films on my UA-cam channel because of your recommendation and it looks super nice, so thanks John.
My friend has helped me out with editing and post production with his PC, but now I'm living in Morocco and I'm using a laptop which is pretty powerful, but when i shoot in 10 bit 265, the playback footage is stuttering in DaVinci Resolve (free version). Therefore, would you recommend shooting in 8 bit or do you have any tips on how to playback footage smoothly in DaVinci without the stuttering?
The reason I'm asking if shooting in 8 bit with Classic Chrome or Eterna is a good idea is because I'm wondering if that is enough for UA-cam videos and whether or not 10 bit is necessary?
Thanks dude and once again, you've really helped and inspired me to become a hybrid shooter and more of a videographer with my X-T4 👍
Super glad to hear all of that!! Thanks for the kind words. I would say 8bit is enough for starting out for sure. 10bit can be very helpful as you progress in skill, but many of my early videos were 8bit and people still loved the colors and I had great success that way. I would only say you need to expose and white balance better because you have less wiggle room later!
@@johnstamw thanks for the tips mate. It's really appreciated 👍
Were the example shots at the start post or pre colour grading?
sorry i'm a little confused by the question. everything is labeled? there is a color wipe being applied.
Usually a content creator will make something that contradict their previous statement, like "I Was Wrong About blablabla, Here's Why" with facepalm thumbnail. But John really want us to use Classic Chrome for the rest of our life 🤣
BTW i prefer the tone at 4:10. Can you explain what gear did you use and also the settings?
hahahaha incredible comment, just you wait till my next video... 😵 "I CAN'T BELIEVE _____" 😅 -- but seriously I'm stillllll rocking Cinematic Chrome and I hope it never dies! at 4:10 is the back of camera clip? I honestly can't remember, but I think it was xt4 with kit lens and cinematic chrome.
Honestly, I find F-Log causing me a lot more trouble than recording in a Rec. 709 format - with F-Log the shadows are blotchy and the artifacts are just all over the place.
What I do instead is using Eterna set to DR400 as a passthrough format on my X-T4, remove the SD card and let it record directly onto my Atomos Ninja V, where the signal hits a LUT from Emotive Color that's being baked into the recording. The LUT converts the Eterna profile back to F-Log and then converts it to an ARRI Rec. 709 image, giving me results that looks exactly like it would, if it was captured on an ARRI Alexa 🙂
The LUT has an inbuild highlight ceiling, that prevents highlights from clipping and with DR set to 400, I've almost got the same flexibility that F-Log provides. Besides that, you get ARRI's colorscience instead of Fuji 😉
Well, I gotta say, this sounds like one of those moments where as long as it works for you then it works!! Haha I’m sure it’s a clean workflow once you’re accustomed to it, hopefully someone else finds this and gives it a try! Thanks for the contribution my man🙌🏼
Please explain how to work with auto white balance? To lock it on a grey card test? Please..
Nope, I just lock in on the scene i'm shooting
Hey is the luts (on sale), $59 USD or $59 canadian or $59 (where im from) Australian?
You are an independent thinker and that's great. You look at the evidence and test the theories and come up with the logical answer not the one everyone else brainlessly parrots. The only time you need Log is when the dynamic range of the subject exceeds what the camera can capture. Usually this is way less then ten stops so brainlessly squashing those stops into the center of a 13-15 stop waveform and then stretching them out in post does nothing but add noise to the image. The cleanest digital image is the one with the least amount digital manipulation. The ideal, would be to shoot a ten stop image on a ten stop waveform and doing no stretching or squeezing in post at all. That is what you have discovered with your experimentation and what the great photographer Ansel Adams discovered long ago with his Zone System. Good thinking!
you know, I appreciate you saying that. And I couldn't agree more with your sentiment.
I have an xe4 but I can’t seem to change the film simulation for videos, the options are grayed out and it’s set on standard 🤔
Are you in manual shooting mode? That’s the only reason I could think for the issue hmmm
Saw you video make me love Fujifilm
you set the sharpness -4, but do you use a diffusion filters too? thanks for the video!
I rarely use diffusion and Fuji is known to have some heavier digital sharpening so yes even still I turn it down with diffusion
@@johnstamw and do you use any LUT on the cinematic (classic)) chrome setting? I could be wrong, if your video "CC vs flog" a little bit different in terms of colors...
John…Do you have a Lut package that may work well with the classic chrome?
both my lut packs (big sur and pnw) are both built off the 'cinematic chrome' for the 'standard'(rec709) packs!
@johnstamw John...Sorry for the ignorance...is there a video on how to convert the fuji CC to rec 709 in FCPX..? THANKS FOR YOUR HELP.
@@joevee5619 ah, hey ignorance just means you can't know what you don't know! not bad to ask questions! rec709 just means "standard" video aka compared to Log or Raw or HLG recording which are different color spaces(i might even be goofing the technical language there), but point being: when recording in the "film simulations" you are recording a rec709 format!
Thanks for the quick response...I will check out the LUT Packages.
Nice video! Why does DR400% not give you the results you want?
I find then it's coming out too flat which makes it hard to not just make the switch over to F-Log, also it changes the base iso which part of the benefit of Classic Chrome for me is the low 160 iso.
@@johnstamw Check!
DR400 need 800 iso minimum, so it's hard to get clean footage.
although you dont use LOG the footage that you are used to edit is 10bit, right? im looking for a good grading profile for my XT20 do you think this profile is any good on 8bit footage? have you ever tested this on 8bit? great video and colors!
I do still use log, but oh yeah this classic chrome is safer on 8 bit footage in my opinion, here's two videos shot + edited from this color profile on the XT30: ua-cam.com/video/6HTxWH9UMbk/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/VP6p_fywq-c/v-deo.html.
So is the video quality of xt3 much different from xh2? (In 4k 420 10bit )
how do you color grade the Classic Chrome preset after?
I have a few color grading videos on my channel!:)
would you use these for photos?
I do use this periodically for photos as well, however for straight-out-of-camera jpegs I often just use a slightly modified portra 400 v2 from fujixweekly
I always use Eterna it gives me enough space to color grade and get amazing colors I was using before F-log 2 but I felt that the video have so much grain and noise.
yeah f-log 2 adds some texture for sure! rec709 usually ends up cleaner, eterna just never did it for me tonally, but i'm glad you like it!
nice one
thank you
*Promosm*
doesnt make sense if you still have to color grade it.....
it still makes sense because you don't *have to* color grade it, but if you want to there's still lots of flexibility. nice middle ground.
Your skin tone need a litle bit of color. Looks too desaturated, like someone ill
i'll consider that next time