@@cake_made_of_bacon3710 the whole joke is that yes they are played by the same actor Pete’s brother is Ted (from TGWDLM) and Ted time travels in Time Bastard and becomes the Homeless Man
is he confirmed to be his brother? bcs he could just be his uncle of smth they just share a last name and im a bit skeptical because of the age difference
There's also Pete's line right before Richie says "You're fucking useless, Pete!" where Pete says "Yeah... I don't want to, though." just like what Paul says in the beginning of TGWDLM
One line about Grace you missed, in Black Friday right at the start, Tom says he only called Emma because "Grace wasn't available" so Grace Chastity is Tim's usual baby sitter!
@@aliceinanderland Ted is Pete’s older brother, as seen in Abstinence Camp and hinted towards in Black Friday (though it’s really subtle), they were confirmed to be cousins by Nick Lang back during the TGWDLM days but that has now changed to be canonically confirmed brothers Richie has no relation to any existing character, though he does share the last name of a cut character from TGWDLM who would’ve been Paul’s Landlord Also yes, Ted is the Homeless Man
The watch/anti-iPhone does come up in NPMD but only briefly. The lords in black shouting "We don't give a shit about your phone" could be a reference if you take into account the Black and White absorbed General McNamara, who hates phones.
The “What Do You Want Steph” moment gets even deeper if you think about the person saying it. According to the lore, Pokey is responsible for the events in TGWDLM and the “hive mind.” He saying “What Do You Want Steph,” especially in a slight melody to the “What Do You Want Paul” piece is just so perfect 😭
Corey has a very common theme of being surrounded or attacked/accused in each show. Not Your Seed is a song directed at him accusing him of being a bad dad before getting attacked. Feast or Famine he's surrounded and attacked by the customers Hatchet Town he's targeted and accused
Interesting thing; with the exception of Wiggly, who’s placed at the end for dramatic purposes, the Lords In Black’s given order is also the order in which we the audience first see them at work. Pokotho in TGWDLM, Bliklotep in Watcher World, T’noy Karaxis in Time Bastard, and Niblenephim in Honey Queen.
That's his younger brother remember how during the lords of black song the orange one states "A spankofsky im going to have the whole set" The homeless guy is his older brother.
You caught it at the end but I love that every hatchetfield musical has at least one song where Corey just yells something while the song is actively happening 😭
another headline talks about the Clivesdale Cherry Festival being cancelled out of lack of interest. Dan talks about it during Honey Queen. Theres also a headline about a land development plan by Witchwood Forest which could refer to Perky's Buds
A few others I appreciated: -The tradition of Lauren's character lying face-down on the floor (or in Ruth's case, some chairs). Not Hatchetfield specific, but she's done it in 4 other shows, so I'm sure it was a deliberate callback. -Grace and Jason's "Kiss me?" "Ok!" at the end, like Emma and Paul's lines in TGWDLM -Just like the first two Hatchetfield installments, there's an in-universe work of fiction that gets a related song; Workin' Boys, Santa Claus is Goin' to High School, and now Barbeque Monologues
And also when grace pulled Ruth up like that it reminded me of SWW pulling Craphole when she was asking him about the dead bird on his mouth Edit: sorry I meant when SWW asked him about the grass reserves and if he ate them all
The only thing I can think of is that Gerald is who was on the phone with Linda during all of Black Friday, who couldn’t enter a Cinnabon. He says “Linda, call my lawyer” just like Linda tells him to call hers when the store opened in Black Friday
Tbh I think it’d be funny if they DID do a musical in Clivesdale but nothing bad happened it was just like the most generic slice of life play U keep expecting something horrible to happen but nope. Everything’s just normal and chill, the most generic shit ever
It could be a cutaway scene like Santa Claus is going to high school or the barbecue monologues and we just see the Clivesdale citizens go through boring life while hatchetfield is on fire
@@anoctolingwithinternetacce572 In TGWDLM, the Clivesdale news station actually gives a heartfelt eulogy for their lost "sister town." I love the idea that Clivesdale is really chill and respects Hatchetfield, while everyone in Hatchetfield is petty as hell back.
I would want the play to be leading up to a big event, like a harvest festival. There's implications that it's just a cover up for something big, but no. Just a fun gathering with overpriced food and souvenirs.
Right after watching NMPD, I finally brought myself to watch Nightmare Time, then immediately watched the full musicals again. Oh my lord, the writing for this series is TIGHT! It's not even just references, the lore from Black Friday forward is cohesive and fairly straightforward, while still being appropriately mysterious (and when pantheons of gods are involved, that is an achievement). The only one you can poke holes it is TGWDLM, and of course, it's the first. But such care went into designing Pokey that, while still clearly a retcon, he works well enough for you to see his influence on a second viewing. Kudos to everyone involved with the writing (mostly the Langs, I believe), because they freaking knocked it out of the park.
I do think TGWDLM works without Pokey being involved. It's all about PEIP, (Paranormal, Extraterrestrial, Interdimensional Phenomena) TGWDLM is Extraterrestrial. BL is Interdimensional. NPMD is Paranormal. Of course, there was no PEIP in this play, but I think it works well that the Lords in Black are only an antagonist of 1 play, the other 2 plays are mostly unrelated crazy shit.
@@mickys8065Pokey wants everyone to have his voice. So him being behind a musical hive mind makes perfect sense. The infected even gain a gland that synchronizes with sounds and music.
@@michaelcarlton1484 Oh no, I totally get that it, and I know it is canon that Pokey is the guy behind the guy who didn't like musicals, but after Nightmare time I'd just prefer if they hadn't retconned him to be the hivemind.
i’ve had multiple starkid related dreams since npmd came out. one was nick talking to me about the lords in black dolls and one was jeff trapping me in a box (i was oddly okay with it)
I’m not sure it was a reference, but the “what are you???” when he was getting pulled away by the Lords in Black reminded me of “what are youuuuuu?” from Trail to Oregon with The Watchers
@@unclewiley1986I remember reading on the wiki that Blinky is also called the Watcher with a thousand eyes. Which I thought was a very interesting connection to TTO. But I can’t find anymore information about it!
Fun fact about the Hatchet Town cameos, they're different in the soundtrack version. The one I remember is instead of accusing Gerald, she accuses Jerry, who immediately accuses Girl Jeri
It's the other way around, they are only different in the pro-shoot. There are no cameos in the live performance, and the soundtrack follows the live performance lyrics.
i really love the use of their own iconic music in scenes, like when spooky stuff happens the "look what happens, nightmare time" or when peep make an appearance the "america is great again" theme plays, i think there are others i just dont have them off the top of my head
Another thing is that in the prologue scene, one of the cops mentions an officer named Sweetly, which is Sam's last name. Also, Max's "Smoke Club" dance is identical to the one in Califor M I A.
its a blink and you'll miss it moment, but the newspaper curt is holding as grace's dad has some fun references, including one headline about how hatchetfield has "its foot on the gas", the iconic opening line to jane's a car
Reminder that nerdy prudes must die was actually made before tgwdlm. Like the script was written before and the storylines. This means those all are technically callbacks to npmd
Emmas scream in that scene is, I think, meant to relate to Linda’s scream in Black Friday where she grabs the doll. Also, every time the cops say something along the lines of I’m a cop or do something drastic, lol.
@@IncorrectHBi think it’s mostly referred to as the nightmare time theme because of the lyric from tgwdlm that it calls back to, “look what happens, nightmare time” from not your seed, which then became the title of the nightmare time series
You missed "Jan's a car" completely with the ritual where the patient is invoking the names in that order, and a reference of the Black Book is also in this story
You got the "Grace being called a dirty girl" reference, but you didn't mention that the scene where Max calls her a dirty girl is almost word perfect to when Boy Jerry calls Girl Jeri a dirty girl. Jerry/Max: Dirty girl Jeri/Grace: Don't call me that. Jerry/Max: But that's what you are
Pretty sure they play cup of roasted coffee instrumentals during the beenie’s scenes, also they play one specific section of not your seed at random transitions and stuff
Yea when nightmare time theme is mentioned in this video that part of the song is actually played a loooot. It’s actually in every musical and episode (starting with not your seed where it is basically born for us the viewers with look what happens nightmare time) it’s always there at some point
Probably not intentional but when Ruth says to Steph "dont bully me!" it reminded me of the "multiple webbies" scene in yellow jacket where I think theres an exchange like "whats on your face?" "my headgear, don't bully me!"
There's also melody callbacks between Hatchet-town and Ax Man. But something unrelated I noticed while watching this ... Mayor Lauter mentions he got the black book 15 years ago. Since the kids this show are seniors in the class of 2021 and its homecoming, it must be 2020, making 15 years ago 2005. What else was in 2005? Hannah Foster's birth. Coincidence? I think not!
That's when you think of stuff like that that it becomes unthinkable that NPMD is the last piece of the hatchetfield universe. I truly hope there will be more in any form of media
"Dirty girl" "Don't call me that" "But that's what you are, isn't it? My little dirty girl" This exchange in NPMD is almost directly lifted from Abstinence Camp (Jagerman adds 'my little')
Steph’s phone and the pictures on it being “what she cherishes most” is a reference to the same sentiment from Zoey Chambers, a character from Honey Queen played by the same actor. The smoking mime Jagerman does when mentioning the Smoke Club could be considered a reference to Ethan and Hannah doing the same during CaliforMIA. Added layer to “What do you want [NAME]”; Pokotho was the one who was possessing Paul’s Boss for that song (and possessing all the infected for the whole of TGWDLM).
Phone also is the same as Alice who is also played by Mariah in watcher world being obsessed with her phone, Mariah herself said she keeps playing characters obsessed with her phone…just like her Speaking of another thing that has been pointed out is Mariah keeps getting a gun aka Alice twice and now Steph
Zoey and Steph seem to have a few parralels. There's a bit in Honey Queen where Zoey grabs obnoxious teen (the one from BF) and tries to get him help her cheat, by first reffering to him as "hey geek"
I love how many little nods that have to the rest of Hatchetfield!! I missed so many of these even though I've watched npmd no less than a million times so far
You missed that the “axe-wielding” townsfolk who put an end to the Church of the Starry Children would be a reference to the Hatchett Men mentioned in perky’s buds as the ones who killed all the magic users in town and planted their bodies to make the Witch Wood
Another thing related to the Lords in Black: they’re *always* referenced in the same order when they’re mentioned together (Pokey, Blinky, Tinky, Nibbly, Wiggly). This happens on the tape recording in Jane’s a Car, the invocation that Sherman uses to become young in Daddy, and the Summoning in NPMD. As shown in the video, it’s also the order that the dolls are shown in The Witch in the Web. This is also the order of their first appearances in the Hatchetfield universe (Pokey (or at least his influence) in TGWDLM, Blinky in Watcher World, Tinky in Time Bastard, and Nibbly in Honey Queen), with the exception of Wiggly, who is saved for last as he seems to be the most important/hold the most power.
Not a reference to other starkid works, but the corny jokes made before each murder are definitly in reference to other horror slasher characters, mostly Freddy Krougar.
I think the last 'reference' with Corey is just an overall running joke in the Hatchetfield musicals of his character always dying at some point in the story.
There was also a reference to Show Me Your Hands when the cop asks Paul to keep his arms up and then put his hands down. In the song they said to put hand in to ur pockets and then not to do that
I’d like to point out another reference not tied to hatchetfield. When Max is being pulled down by the LoB, he says ‘what are you’ in the same tone as the father in trail to Oregon
Another funny thing is that when Pete says he’s been waiting five years for his hot chocolate, Nerdy Prudes came out five years after The Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals came out
during that scene where Grace calls butter butt stuff etc. there's a hidden reference on the newspaper,her dad (curt) is reading, one of the news is something along the lines of "mamma mia flops at the starlight theatre"
I have rewatched this show daily since it dropped. My mum loves it too...she's probably more relieved she finally understands what the hell i've been quoting. (I have ADHD so this show is now a hyperfixation and i have now adopted the character personalities as part if my own.) 😂😂😂 Seriously this whole show is a huge dopamine rush. Also i really want The Lords in Black plushies. They're so cute.
@@Its_hatchetfield same. Like i've been trying to downsize how many plushies i buy (i really do have allot) but i need The Lords in Black. They're so adorable.
Nah I absolutely think the parallel between Feast or Famine and Hatchet Town was intentional. Both are a group turning on a character played by Corey, and the dialogue from him seems pretty similar
If I remember correctly, in Nerdy Prudes Must Die when Paul gets taken down by the cop, the cop quotes lines/variations of lines from Show Me Your Hands from TGWDLM.
The nightmare time theme song is based off “not your seed” from TGWDLM, I’m pretty sure. In fact, the lyrics at that exact melody was “look what happened. It’s nightmare time”
there’s also a tiny musical reference during the homecoming scene before Best of You- a cutesy instrumental version of Jane’s A Car plays in the background! lots of really fun details!
Callbacks to twisted as well!: “its all ya fault spankoffski” and “what the fuck is happening right now” Also firebringer when lauren goes into the sad lauren pose as ruth
In the scene right after Richie's death, when Grace gets up you can hear "La Dee Dah Dah Day," specifically the part that plays while Paul is going "okay." There was also one or two other instances of this and it may have been the other times the Chastitys were on screen, but I'm not sure.
I think they took it from not your seed because in not your seed there's a part where they go "nightmare time" I assume that's what you're referencing :)(
5:59 I’m not sure why, but I’ve noticed this pattern. In EVERY SINGLE iteration, the Lords in Black are introduced in this specific order. In the musicals, in Nightmare Time- hell, even in official merchandise! The question is, why?
You know, I wish Alice was one of the main characters of NPMD and when they find out Max is back from the dead she carries her father's legacy and says "HE'S GONNA KICK OUR HEADS!"... am i the only one?
i haven’t actually watched all of nightmare time so seeing steph, her dad, grace etc in this vid was a shock to me. might have to go back and watch the rest
Also a callback in the PAul and Emma scene to 'Forever and always'. How Emma screams, you know what's really going on and the cop won't really come out there unscaved
But that was officer Bailey, right? And he’s still ok by the end? And Beanie’s didn’t burn? If time bastard is canon in every timeline (since homeless man is in every show so far), is forever and always also like that?
@@PeteQuaint True, that was also the part that confused me since he didn't came out with bruises or at least some hint a previous fight has happened. But otherwise, Emma would never scream like that when Paul was hurt in other timelines, It kind of made sense that was at least a nod to that timeline.
@@PeteQuaintiirc, forever and always is only canon in timelines where the world doesn’t end. for example, it isn’t canon in tgwdlm or bf because the world ends and they never get far enough in the future to make the emma androids or paul clones. I don’t actually know if we count npmd’s ending as the world ending? i feel like that’s kind of up in the air, so i guess forever and always may or may not be canon in this timeline
isn't Nightmare Time Theme just the theme jingle for the whole series, the start of TGWDLM and BF started with that it was also used in the songs Not Your Seed and Made In America
Also, during Hatchet Town, it’s canon that character Jon plays is Boy Jerry, and it’s more obvious in the soundtrack and digital ticket bc he has Gerald’s spot in the song. In the soundtrack/digital ticket, Bryce’s reporter says: “Until Jerry… Went on his murder spree” Which Jon’s character/Boy Jerry responds with: “It was Girl Jeri, that dirty girl!”
Woah.. I did not catch the Starlight Theater and Lakeside Mall for the altars matching with Wiggly and Pokey. If there were other places, one is The Gazette, which I would assume is Blinky's more appropriate altar. The schoolhouse is interesting... Would that one more align with Tinky? Nibbly for the Amusement park (Or probably considered a fairgrounds of sorts for things like the Honey Queen Festival) Oh crap... One is the house... IDK. I prefer my version. No one said the Waylon house isn't outside the Fairground
I mean, the Gazette is where Tinky's time Machine is and the Amusement park probably refers to watcher world, Blinky's theme park, so Nibbly would probably reside in the school house
everytime i heard or saw a reference i just screamed inside aaa i love stuff like this and i love how the nightmare time jingle is sprinked through the whole hatchetfield series 6:00 ALSO THIS BIT IS PERFECTLY IN SYNC OML
One that I haven’t seen mentioned yet is Curt as the cop telling Paul “get your hands out of your pockets! put your hands down!” referencing Show Me Your Hands
9:51 i also think that is Linda Monroe’s Gerald from Black Friday. She is on the phone the whole time talking to him, i think one time she even says “Yes, call my lawyer!” :)
Part 2 is up on my channel!
The homeless man like becomes way funnier when you remember the homeless man is literally his brother
It does lol
And it’s also him 😭 (the actor)
Edit: Oh yeah… that was the point of the whole joke mb
@@cake_made_of_bacon3710 the whole joke is that yes they are played by the same actor Pete’s brother is Ted (from TGWDLM) and Ted time travels in Time Bastard and becomes the Homeless Man
@@cosmicslacker I should rewatch Nightmare Time. It was such a good show
is he confirmed to be his brother? bcs he could just be his uncle of smth they just share a last name and im a bit skeptical because of the age difference
There's also Pete's line right before Richie says "You're fucking useless, Pete!" where Pete says "Yeah... I don't want to, though." just like what Paul says in the beginning of TGWDLM
Yeah I did catch that after I posted this😭 thank you!
One line about Grace you missed, in Black Friday right at the start, Tom says he only called Emma because "Grace wasn't available" so Grace Chastity is Tim's usual baby sitter!
Yes, there's also a planned Nightmare Time story with them
that poor child
Poor kid
@@akkadia_6605REALLY?
and in nightmare time: perky buds, she was a babysitter
With the “you’re useless” line it’s funny that the actors both get a turn at saying they to each other
Also “I don’t want to though”, Pete and Paul, Ted and Richie, it just makes sense… I’ve heard some people theorize that Paul and Richie are related
@@Foxy02016 No, I think it's Richie and Ted who are brothers (also Ted becomes the homeless man in Nightmare Time(?))
@@aliceinanderland Ted is Pete’s older brother, as seen in Abstinence Camp and hinted towards in Black Friday (though it’s really subtle), they were confirmed to be cousins by Nick Lang back during the TGWDLM days but that has now changed to be canonically confirmed brothers
Richie has no relation to any existing character, though he does share the last name of a cut character from TGWDLM who would’ve been Paul’s Landlord
Also yes, Ted is the Homeless Man
@@Foxy02016 Noo you're right, I got Richie and Pete mixed up lol
for what feels like 5 fucking years because tgwdlm was made almost 5 years ago
Omg I didn’t even notice that! That’s amazing lol
I lost my shit when I realized 😭
Literally screamed when I first watched that scene
Another callback: Grace’s chant to get rid of homecoming is the same chant to get rid of Perky’s Buds in Nightmare Time
Thank you! I didn’t catch that
@@Its_hatchetfielddefinitely worth making a part 2
'Fuck 'em straight to hell! Assholes!' is also a direct quote from Honey Queen, Paul says it after Zoey answers her question for the pageant
Thank you! Idk how I didn’t catch that
Yess I just noticed that
The “cut through Pinebrook” is so subtle and shows that they know this world they’re building in such intricate detail!!!!
In NPMD, Paul being in the "neighborhood watch" feels like a subtle reference to Paul's refusal to wear a watch in TGWDLM and BF
Reading that made me think of the knock against phones thoughout the musicals as well. XD
@@ET_Zombie HA i didnt even think about that
Wouldn’t get his own so he joined the neighborhood one
Of course the obvious callback to “Wear a watch!” in TGWDLM was near the end of BF.
The watch/anti-iPhone does come up in NPMD but only briefly. The lords in black shouting "We don't give a shit about your phone" could be a reference if you take into account the Black and White absorbed General McNamara, who hates phones.
The “What Do You Want Steph” moment gets even deeper if you think about the person saying it. According to the lore, Pokey is responsible for the events in TGWDLM and the “hive mind.”
He saying “What Do You Want Steph,” especially in a slight melody to the “What Do You Want Paul” piece is just so perfect 😭
So he's an alien hivemind in black
I think that was the point
I didn’t officially know that pokey was responsible for it, but I figured it out. I’m so glad I was right
I thought that was the point of the reference
Also in the digital ticket, the other lords laugh after he says it. It’s like an inside joke between them and I love that.
Corey has a very common theme of being surrounded or attacked/accused in each show.
Not Your Seed is a song directed at him accusing him of being a bad dad before getting attacked.
Feast or Famine he's surrounded and attacked by the customers
Hatchet Town he's targeted and accused
You can also make an argument for Dirty Dudes Must Die aswell
The whole town wants to get their hands on that man, and who could blame them?
Goddamn poor man can’t catch a break 🤣
the nightmare time theme originally comes from "not your seed" in gwdlm, there's a single line were she says "look what happens nightmare time"
Im pretty sure it’s also in the music for Made In America, can’t remember where specifically
The very start of the musical, and the song TGWDLM is where the start of the nightmare time theme comes from
Finally someone says it, its been bothering me for a while 😭😭
thank you lol it's been driving me nuts, not your seed is my favorite song from tgwdlm so I get excited every time I hear that melody
Interesting thing; with the exception of Wiggly, who’s placed at the end for dramatic purposes, the Lords In Black’s given order is also the order in which we the audience first see them at work.
Pokotho in TGWDLM, Bliklotep in Watcher World, T’noy Karaxis in Time Bastard, and Niblenephim in Honey Queen.
That is really interesting!
Well Wiggly’s last because everyone knows him the best.
@@brotherkhrayn3525Isn’t he last because of Black Friday?
The homeless man thing runs deeper if you remember that the homeless man is Ted Spankofsky
Weird that there are 2 Teds played by Joey
@@QuikVidGuy there aren't. Unless I'm missing something.
@@ValtharrI think they meant 2 Spankoffskis
That's his younger brother remember how during the lords of black song the orange one states "A spankofsky im going to have the whole set"
The homeless guy is his older brother.
@@Mr_Ben. Ted from the office and Ted from the sidewalk
You caught it at the end but I love that every hatchetfield musical has at least one song where Corey just yells something while the song is actively happening 😭
I've never seen a whole theatre lore as tight and well done as the Hatchetfield universe, it's top notch! Thank you for compiling this!
You’re welcome! Thank you for watching!
i remember someone mentioning that in mr.chastity's newspaper theres a part that talks about the mama mia musical which was mentioned in tgwdlm
also 'hatchetfield's got its foot on the gas'!
another headline talks about the Clivesdale Cherry Festival being cancelled out of lack of interest. Dan talks about it during Honey Queen.
Theres also a headline about a land development plan by Witchwood Forest which could refer to Perky's Buds
YOU FORGOT GET YOUR HANDS OUT OF YOUR POCKETS!
I did😭
“PUT YOUR HANDS AT YOUR SIDES” “HES REACHING FOR A GUN” sry I had to
A few others I appreciated:
-The tradition of Lauren's character lying face-down on the floor (or in Ruth's case, some chairs). Not Hatchetfield specific, but she's done it in 4 other shows, so I'm sure it was a deliberate callback.
-Grace and Jason's "Kiss me?" "Ok!" at the end, like Emma and Paul's lines in TGWDLM
-Just like the first two Hatchetfield installments, there's an in-universe work of fiction that gets a related song; Workin' Boys, Santa Claus is Goin' to High School, and now Barbeque Monologues
And also when grace pulled Ruth up like that it reminded me of SWW pulling Craphole when she was asking him about the dead bird on his mouth
Edit: sorry I meant when SWW asked him about the grass reserves and if he ate them all
The only thing I can think of is that Gerald is who was on the phone with Linda during all of Black Friday, who couldn’t enter a Cinnabon. He says “Linda, call my lawyer” just like Linda tells him to call hers when the store opened in Black Friday
It is, Gerald is Linda's husband.
Tbh I think it’d be funny if they DID do a musical in Clivesdale but nothing bad happened it was just like the most generic slice of life play
U keep expecting something horrible to happen but nope. Everything’s just normal and chill, the most generic shit ever
I feel like they'd love their neighbours in Hatchetfield
It could be a cutaway scene like Santa Claus is going to high school or the barbecue monologues and we just see the Clivesdale citizens go through boring life while hatchetfield is on fire
@@anoctolingwithinternetacce572 In TGWDLM, the Clivesdale news station actually gives a heartfelt eulogy for their lost "sister town." I love the idea that Clivesdale is really chill and respects Hatchetfield, while everyone in Hatchetfield is petty as hell back.
I would want the play to be leading up to a big event, like a harvest festival. There's implications that it's just a cover up for something big, but no.
Just a fun gathering with overpriced food and souvenirs.
Like dude, send all your ideas to starkid for this clivesdale musical immediately!!!
Right after watching NMPD, I finally brought myself to watch Nightmare Time, then immediately watched the full musicals again. Oh my lord, the writing for this series is TIGHT! It's not even just references, the lore from Black Friday forward is cohesive and fairly straightforward, while still being appropriately mysterious (and when pantheons of gods are involved, that is an achievement).
The only one you can poke holes it is TGWDLM, and of course, it's the first. But such care went into designing Pokey that, while still clearly a retcon, he works well enough for you to see his influence on a second viewing. Kudos to everyone involved with the writing (mostly the Langs, I believe), because they freaking knocked it out of the park.
I do think TGWDLM works without Pokey being involved. It's all about PEIP, (Paranormal, Extraterrestrial, Interdimensional Phenomena)
TGWDLM is Extraterrestrial.
BL is Interdimensional.
NPMD is Paranormal.
Of course, there was no PEIP in this play, but I think it works well that the Lords in Black are only an antagonist of 1 play, the other 2 plays are mostly unrelated crazy shit.
@@mickys8065Pokey wants everyone to have his voice. So him being behind a musical hive mind makes perfect sense. The infected even gain a gland that synchronizes with sounds and music.
@@michaelcarlton1484 Oh no, I totally get that it, and I know it is canon that Pokey is the guy behind the guy who didn't like musicals, but after Nightmare time I'd just prefer if they hadn't retconned him to be the hivemind.
@@mickys8065I wonder what horror genre they’re gonna go for next with Hatchetfield
I had a dream last night where joey did tgwdlm without the mustache and i had to share that somewhere
I can’t even imagine that lol
That'd be terrifying, you can't have Ted Spankoffski without the mustache
@@michaelaporteous4743it's called the bush brush and it's the most sensual part of a man
i’ve had multiple starkid related dreams since npmd came out. one was nick talking to me about the lords in black dolls and one was jeff trapping me in a box (i was oddly okay with it)
@@quirrelmortsomg it’s you
"Waiting for what feels like five...years" is also a little callback to how long it's been since TGWDLM! 2018-2023:)
ITS BEEN THAT LONG???
I’m not sure it was a reference, but the “what are you???” when he was getting pulled away by the Lords in Black reminded me of “what are youuuuuu?” from Trail to Oregon with The Watchers
Definitely felt like that was a reference!
I think it was bc Trail to Oregon is loosely (emphasis on loosely) tied to Hatchetfield according to Nick.
@@unclewiley1986I remember reading on the wiki that Blinky is also called the Watcher with a thousand eyes. Which I thought was a very interesting connection to TTO. But I can’t find anymore information about it!
Joey's ghost voice reminded me of that scene in Trail to Oregon too.
Fun fact about the Hatchet Town cameos, they're different in the soundtrack version. The one I remember is instead of accusing Gerald, she accuses Jerry, who immediately accuses Girl Jeri
and the man in a hurry is replaced by officer bailey (the cop), and tbh that one is funny in the soundtrack in its own right for some reason
"Until Jerry went on his murder spree!"
"I knew it was Jerry!"
"It was Girl Jeri, that dirty girl!"
It's the other way around, they are only different in the pro-shoot. There are no cameos in the live performance, and the soundtrack follows the live performance lyrics.
i really love the use of their own iconic music in scenes, like when spooky stuff happens the "look what happens, nightmare time" or when peep make an appearance the "america is great again" theme plays, i think there are others i just dont have them off the top of my head
OH the police music too
Fun Fact; Matt Dahn has confirmed he loves using the Show Me Your Hands riff
It would of been kinda cool to have Deb make a cameo. Like in the pro shot with hatchet town she could of been one of the accused
Yeah I heard they tried to get a charlotte cameo too but Jaime wasn’t available or something :(
@@Its_hatchetfieldhas she left starkid?
no I think she was just busy at the time@@carlamartinezmangas4112
@@Its_hatchetfield Oh thank you! I coudnt find any info on it
@@carlamartinezmangas4112luckily not she appeared in the most recent starkid livestream and she is working on space baby so she definitely hasn’t left
Another thing is that in the prologue scene, one of the cops mentions an officer named Sweetly, which is Sam's last name. Also, Max's "Smoke Club" dance is identical to the one in Califor M I A.
And from tgwdlm cause it shows up first there as apart of the background when Alice and deb are shown before joining pokeys hive mind
its a blink and you'll miss it moment, but the newspaper curt is holding as grace's dad has some fun references, including one headline about how hatchetfield has "its foot on the gas", the iconic opening line to jane's a car
Jon finally got back at Joey for the “you’re f**king useless” joke
Reminder that nerdy prudes must die was actually made before tgwdlm. Like the script was written before and the storylines. This means those all are technically callbacks to npmd
Correction: the script itself seems to have been written after tgwdlm but it was conceptualized before
It's more akin to how Pixar puts visual easter eggs in their movies that hint at the next movie in production.
Where is this info from? Director/Writers commentary on the digital extras?
@@jito7377 this comes from the wiki, but specifically the source is the "it's ALIVEstream" anniversary stream
Emmas scream in that scene is, I think, meant to relate to Linda’s scream in Black Friday where she grabs the doll. Also, every time the cops say something along the lines of I’m a cop or do something drastic, lol.
And Girl Jeri's scream in Abstinence Camp
Zeke the fighting Night Hawk is a reference to Ezekiel the Night Hawk in Perky’s Buds.
YOU’RE SO RIGHT, I DIDN’T REALIZE THAT
I never noticed that that’s cool
The nightmare time theme is also the start of tgwdlm. It plays whenever things start to go wrong.
And it has a pretty notable part in Not Your Seed too, didn’t it?
I think a more accurate name would be that its just the Hatchetfield theme. It just didnt become noticeable until NT
@@IncorrectHBi think it’s mostly referred to as the nightmare time theme because of the lyric from tgwdlm that it calls back to, “look what happens, nightmare time” from not your seed, which then became the title of the nightmare time series
You missed "Jan's a car" completely with the ritual where the patient is invoking the names in that order, and a reference of the Black Book is also in this story
I must have missed that sorry😭
And the rituals in daddy which is one of the first times we get spells with all the lords names
And the melody for the song “janes a car” plays during the homecoming scene at the end.
The homeless guy reference is pointing to Time Bastard because Pete looks like his older brother!
0:55 just before this Pete says "Yeah, I don't want to though" the actors basically made a trade with their lines 😂
You got the "Grace being called a dirty girl" reference, but you didn't mention that the scene where Max calls her a dirty girl is almost word perfect to when Boy Jerry calls Girl Jeri a dirty girl.
Jerry/Max: Dirty girl
Jeri/Grace: Don't call me that.
Jerry/Max: But that's what you are
Pretty sure they play cup of roasted coffee instrumentals during the beenie’s scenes, also they play one specific section of not your seed at random transitions and stuff
That clip of not your seed is also the chorus of the nightmare time theme song!!
I mentioned cup of roasted coffee during that scene but I just didn’t put a clip from tgwdlm for some reason
Yea when nightmare time theme is mentioned in this video that part of the song is actually played a loooot. It’s actually in every musical and episode (starting with not your seed where it is basically born for us the viewers with look what happens nightmare time) it’s always there at some point
If you listen to the version of hatchettown thats on the cast recording, you would know that Jon's caracter is boy jerry from abstinance camp
Yeah I heard that but I forgot about it while making this😭
Also in the live show
6:03 it’s also like almost perfectly timed, like the dolls being shown and names said is perfectly timed 😮
Yeah! I thought it was really cool
Probably not intentional but when Ruth says to Steph "dont bully me!" it reminded me of the "multiple webbies" scene in yellow jacket where I think theres an exchange like "whats on your face?" "my headgear, don't bully me!"
i noticed that too! the headgear thing is so specific, i feel like it HAS to be intentional
There's also melody callbacks between Hatchet-town and Ax Man.
But something unrelated I noticed while watching this ... Mayor Lauter mentions he got the black book 15 years ago. Since the kids this show are seniors in the class of 2021 and its homecoming, it must be 2020, making 15 years ago 2005. What else was in 2005? Hannah Foster's birth. Coincidence? I think not!
That's when you think of stuff like that that it becomes unthinkable that NPMD is the last piece of the hatchetfield universe. I truly hope there will be more in any form of media
"Dirty girl"
"Don't call me that"
"But that's what you are, isn't it? My little dirty girl"
This exchange in NPMD is almost directly lifted from Abstinence Camp (Jagerman adds 'my little')
Yeah I just watched it back and saw that. I’m making a part two soon!
Steph’s phone and the pictures on it being “what she cherishes most” is a reference to the same sentiment from Zoey Chambers, a character from Honey Queen played by the same actor.
The smoking mime Jagerman does when mentioning the Smoke Club could be considered a reference to Ethan and Hannah doing the same during CaliforMIA.
Added layer to “What do you want [NAME]”; Pokotho was the one who was possessing Paul’s Boss for that song (and possessing all the infected for the whole of TGWDLM).
Phone also is the same as Alice who is also played by Mariah in watcher world being obsessed with her phone, Mariah herself said she keeps playing characters obsessed with her phone…just like her
Speaking of another thing that has been pointed out is Mariah keeps getting a gun aka Alice twice and now Steph
Zoey and Steph seem to have a few parralels. There's a bit in Honey Queen where Zoey grabs obnoxious teen (the one from BF) and tries to get him help her cheat, by first reffering to him as "hey geek"
The fact Barry (the man in a hurry) is called by name in the song calls back to "Daddy" where Barry was first refered to by name.
That’s not really a call back… that’s just his name
THATS ME OMG 0:14 truly my only claim to fame is being in npmd for half a second
@@nails8647 omg that's so cool!
It's not a direct reference, but Feast or Famine and Hatchet Town are definitely parallels.
Thank you! I thought I was going crazy by how Grace pronounces "Daddy" in npmd 😭
I love how many little nods that have to the rest of Hatchetfield!! I missed so many of these even though I've watched npmd no less than a million times so far
Yeah I had to watch all of the shows a bunch to find all of these and I probably still missed some lol
@@Its_hatchetfield Lol yeah there's a lot to go through to find everything, but if not all then you definitely got most of it, great video :)
@@epicbee27 thank you!!
You missed that the “axe-wielding” townsfolk who put an end to the Church of the Starry Children would be a reference to the Hatchett Men mentioned in perky’s buds as the ones who killed all the magic users in town and planted their bodies to make the Witch Wood
Another thing related to the Lords in Black: they’re *always* referenced in the same order when they’re mentioned together (Pokey, Blinky, Tinky, Nibbly, Wiggly). This happens on the tape recording in Jane’s a Car, the invocation that Sherman uses to become young in Daddy, and the Summoning in NPMD. As shown in the video, it’s also the order that the dolls are shown in The Witch in the Web.
This is also the order of their first appearances in the Hatchetfield universe (Pokey (or at least his influence) in TGWDLM, Blinky in Watcher World, Tinky in Time Bastard, and Nibbly in Honey Queen), with the exception of Wiggly, who is saved for last as he seems to be the most important/hold the most power.
Not a reference to other starkid works, but the corny jokes made before each murder are definitly in reference to other horror slasher characters, mostly Freddy Krougar.
When Paul gets arrested in NPMD Emma screams the exact same way Linda screams at the end of Black Friday, another Callback as "Lauren Screaming"
I think the last 'reference' with Corey is just an overall running joke in the Hatchetfield musicals of his character always dying at some point in the story.
Bill lived in Watcher World
@@Quackervoltz I said the musicals specifically
There was also a reference to Show Me Your Hands when the cop asks Paul to keep his arms up and then put his hands down. In the song they said to put hand in to ur pockets and then not to do that
The Ziggy appearance was hilarious 😂
I’d like to point out another reference not tied to hatchetfield. When Max is being pulled down by the LoB, he says ‘what are you’ in the same tone as the father in trail to Oregon
Another funny thing is that when Pete says he’s been waiting five years for his hot chocolate, Nerdy Prudes came out five years after The Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals came out
during that scene where Grace calls butter butt stuff etc. there's a hidden reference on the newspaper,her dad (curt) is reading, one of the news is something along the lines of "mamma mia flops at the starlight theatre"
I don't know if it s a reference but when Stef stopped her phone to get smashed it reminded me of when Zoe's phone got smashed in Honey Queen
I was going to put that but decided not to. Or when bill drops Alice’s phone in watcher world and she freaks out
Mariah’s characters and their phones are so precious 😂
In NPMD Wiggly mentions checking his Christmas list!!
so obsessed with hatchetfield’s insane lore
10:44 the nightmare time motif comes from "not your seed" im tgwdlm, when Alice sings "look what happens, nightmare time"
The line "I'd have to let you go" in Cool As I Think I Am Reprise is a parallell to "I'll never let you go" in Black Friday
Ohh!!! I love both those lines and now I love them even more omg
I have rewatched this show daily since it dropped. My mum loves it too...she's probably more relieved she finally understands what the hell i've been quoting. (I have ADHD so this show is now a hyperfixation and i have now adopted the character personalities as part if my own.) 😂😂😂
Seriously this whole show is a huge dopamine rush.
Also i really want The Lords in Black plushies. They're so cute.
If they start selling the lords in black plushies I will buy all of them immediately. I need this to happen
@@Its_hatchetfield same. Like i've been trying to downsize how many plushies i buy (i really do have allot) but i need The Lords in Black. They're so adorable.
Nah I absolutely think the parallel between Feast or Famine and Hatchet Town was intentional.
Both are a group turning on a character played by Corey, and the dialogue from him seems pretty similar
If I remember correctly, in Nerdy Prudes Must Die when Paul gets taken down by the cop, the cop quotes lines/variations of lines from Show Me Your Hands from TGWDLM.
Starkid has to be the only theatre company that makes cosmic horror lore for their musicals. I’m not complaining!
The nightmare time theme song is based off “not your seed” from TGWDLM, I’m pretty sure. In fact, the lyrics at that exact melody was “look what happened. It’s nightmare time”
In the news paper that grace's dad is reading, one of the stories actually references the production of Mamma Mia. I think it was about how it flopped
God, this made me realize that the “nightmare time” theme has existed all the back since TGWDLM.
there’s also a tiny musical reference during the homecoming scene before Best of You- a cutesy instrumental version of Jane’s A Car plays in the background! lots of really fun details!
Callbacks to twisted as well!: “its all ya fault spankoffski” and “what the fuck is happening right now”
Also firebringer when lauren goes into the sad lauren pose as ruth
In the scene right after Richie's death, when Grace gets up you can hear "La Dee Dah Dah Day," specifically the part that plays while Paul is going "okay." There was also one or two other instances of this and it may have been the other times the Chastitys were on screen, but I'm not sure.
10:38 I thought this was "Not your Seed" theme in tgwdlm? But I guess its used for Nightmare Time too...
Yeah it’s the same! It’s when Alice sings “look what happens nightmare time” but I just recognized it as the nightmare time theme first!
I think they took it from not your seed because in not your seed there's a part where they go "nightmare time" I assume that's what you're referencing :)(
5:59 I’m not sure why, but I’ve noticed this pattern. In EVERY SINGLE iteration, the Lords in Black are introduced in this specific order. In the musicals, in Nightmare Time- hell, even in official merchandise! The question is, why?
You know, I wish Alice was one of the main characters of NPMD and when they find out Max is back from the dead she carries her father's legacy and says "HE'S GONNA KICK OUR HEADS!"... am i the only one?
i haven’t actually watched all of nightmare time so seeing steph, her dad, grace etc in this vid was a shock to me. might have to go back and watch the rest
You definitely do. They’re great!
Also a callback in the PAul and Emma scene to 'Forever and always'. How Emma screams, you know what's really going on and the cop won't really come out there unscaved
But that was officer Bailey, right? And he’s still ok by the end? And Beanie’s didn’t burn?
If time bastard is canon in every timeline (since homeless man is in every show so far), is forever and always also like that?
@@PeteQuaint True, that was also the part that confused me since he didn't came out with bruises or at least some hint a previous fight has happened. But otherwise, Emma would never scream like that when Paul was hurt in other timelines, It kind of made sense that was at least a nod to that timeline.
@@PeteQuaintiirc, forever and always is only canon in timelines where the world doesn’t end. for example, it isn’t canon in tgwdlm or bf because the world ends and they never get far enough in the future to make the emma androids or paul clones. I don’t actually know if we count npmd’s ending as the world ending? i feel like that’s kind of up in the air, so i guess forever and always may or may not be canon in this timeline
4:05 And on Grace's house, the song playing un the background is "La Dee La Da Day" from TGWDLM
I love how that guy is always in a hurry no matter what
isn't Nightmare Time Theme just the theme jingle for the whole series, the start of TGWDLM and BF started with that
it was also used in the songs Not Your Seed and Made In America
I've been waiting for someone to make a video like this, I love all the references and callbacks to previous Hatchetfield installments
7:52 HOLY SHIT IS HE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE CHARACTERS JOEY’S PLAYED???
Also, during Hatchet Town, it’s canon that character Jon plays is Boy Jerry, and it’s more obvious in the soundtrack and digital ticket bc he has Gerald’s spot in the song. In the soundtrack/digital ticket, Bryce’s reporter says:
“Until Jerry…
Went on his murder spree”
Which Jon’s character/Boy Jerry responds with:
“It was Girl Jeri, that dirty girl!”
Woah.. I did not catch the Starlight Theater and Lakeside Mall for the altars matching with Wiggly and Pokey.
If there were other places, one is The Gazette, which I would assume is Blinky's more appropriate altar.
The schoolhouse is interesting... Would that one more align with Tinky?
Nibbly for the Amusement park (Or probably considered a fairgrounds of sorts for things like the Honey Queen Festival)
Oh crap... One is the house... IDK. I prefer my version. No one said the Waylon house isn't outside the Fairground
Fun fact: the old Gazette building is actually the current location of the offices of CCRP Technical; Paul's workplace!
@@tandnmom100 which can also seem to still work with the "watching" motif
I mean, the Gazette is where Tinky's time Machine is and the Amusement park probably refers to watcher world, Blinky's theme park, so Nibbly would probably reside in the school house
theres another reference to the theather in grace's dads paper, its say mama mia bombed or something lol
That’s so funny
everytime i heard or saw a reference i just screamed inside aaa i love stuff like this and i love how the nightmare time jingle is sprinked through the whole hatchetfield series
6:00 ALSO THIS BIT IS PERFECTLY IN SYNC OML
It is!
Peter's ghost costume is Joey's old Yule Ball costume from AVPM XD
The grace chasity one totally went over my head the first time i saw it
One that I haven’t seen mentioned yet is Curt as the cop telling Paul “get your hands out of your pockets! put your hands down!” referencing Show Me Your Hands
I'm thoroughly impressed! You caught so many & confirmed some of my suspicions. Now I really want a Lord in Black doll. Thank you!
Thank you!! I do too. if they start selling them I’m buying them all immediately
@@Its_hatchetfield I remember Years ago when they had them for sale on their page, but now all sold out. 😞
9:51 i also think that is Linda Monroe’s Gerald from Black Friday. She is on the phone the whole time talking to him, i think one time she even says “Yes, call my lawyer!” :)
Great video! I didn't even make some of those connections haha. I'll definitely stay on your channel
Thank you!!
They also reference the smoke club in Black Friday in California-MIA when Hannah is doing the smoke club move 😂
For someone who watched these way out of order this helped me connect so much. I saw some of them after the fact but this video is awesome!
Thank you! Glad it helped!