Why I sold my GTR for the 2018 ZL1 1LE. Let's take a drive
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2018
- Just some driving and explaining why I sold the GTR for the ZL1 1LE.
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I’ve done 6 track days in my ZL1 in 6 months and 9500 miles 💪🏽🏁🇺🇸👊🏽
I don't have the 1LE but i have the zl1 2017 and i freaking love it. I came from a fully built bottom end sti with 20g cobb turbo etc etc and the camaro just blows me away. I normally drove japanese cars but i have to say that chevy did an amazing job on the zl1.
People don't understand the Gen 6 ZL1 is a total package
I left the Sti Subie world as cult of covid hit, never looked back lol
"Camaro" and "Camaro ZL1 1LE"
World of difference 😉
Beautiful that car is probably my perfect fun day, track day, weekend car. And a ZL1 10 speed automatic for daily driving lol. GTR'S are killer too. ZL1's are a lot of car for the money.
First Camaro I ever wanted. I think this one is perfect!
bingster 223 Really good comment
me too
actually the 10 speed is for the track fuck head , quick shifts
Harvey Jones
The ZL1 1LE is the track car above and beyond the regular ZL1 regardless of whether it's a 10 speed automatic or manual. Do some research b4 you become a keyboard tough guy.
The ZL1 is a monster. Supercar performance w/o the supercar sticker...
Yea but the 750 hp callaway 1le is an even bigger monster
@@blackice7408 Any 750hp 1le is a monster..
@@Cardiakk the original commenter said the 650 hp 1le was a monster. I said the 750 hp callaway 1le was an even bigger monster
@@blackice7408 I know and I'm saying any 1LE with with more power is a monster but the reason why the stock 1le is ridiculous is because of amount of performance you get for the msrp.
@@Cardiakk I understand. I know all about the 1le. With that being said, the callaway version cranks up the performance to 11
cannot blame you one bit..love the ZL1/1LE
Just bought the 2019 ZL1 1LE in Shadow Gray ... Literally looks like a Bat mobile. Drove it through downtown Chicago on a really foggy night looked SICK!.... The Wing , the stiff ride , the look, the sound , the speed and Literally EVERYTHING about this Ride fits perfectly!.. Instant Collectible! Worth every cent
It's insane to think a CAMARO would be snatching GTR owners, let alone I can guarantee a few Ferrari owners after seeing Camaro taillights on a TRACK.
I honestly never thought I'd own a Camaro. The 5th gen were so ugly and bulky, but this one was calling to me after I got into tracking the GTR.
It took Mustang GT350 owners too. They're much happier.
@@MikeEM1 Same man. Hate 5th gens, love Camaros. The last ZL1 is shit. My 2017 2SS 6M blew the 2013 ZL1 auto i drove out of the water.
No downgrade bro that 1le is a dam monster
Nice upgrade, love the ZL1.
Yes 650 horsepower you damn right I went and got one. I will never be bored!! I love it.👍👍
Great pic up I love the GTR but the ZL1 1LE is a beast and looks amazing and 650HP, plus your right way funnier to drive.
You made a wise choice ! Bad ass car huge upgrade !
Chris Sullivan thank you!
A GTR cant touch a 1LE on a road track. There are videos on here of them beating Ferrari 458’s on track.
2018 ZL1 1LE beat every single Ferrari ever around Nurburgring:Nordschleife. Just saying
and McLaren, Porsche, etc. don't believe me go to Ignition youtube channel there's proof, both ZL1 and ZL1/1LE
The (production) ZL1:1LE beat every (production)Ferrari ever around the Nurburgring: Nordrscleife.
the baby brother SS 1LE is beating the 458 on a couple of the smaller tracks too
ua-cam.com/video/sBOCzV2rVT8/v-deo.html
Check this vid
Congrats! I own a 2018 SS 1LE and I think it’s a amazing car. Its a 9 out of 10 in my opinion.
Yours is a 12 out of 10. The Camaro has never been better.
I got rid of my 2013 GTR for the same reason. I got bored with the DCT and had to go back to a manual. For me having a fast car that is also involving to drive is more important than ultra fast shifting transmissions.
Erek K I enjoyed my time with the car and wish I could keep it, but I'm very happy with the choice I made
This so much. I get that DCT's are faster, but aside from a track only car it isn't worth the sacrifice in connection, and enjoyment for ~1/2 second a lap you gain from a good auto.
couldn't have said it better, and then you also get the whiny response of "but traffic" honestly dual clutches suck in traffic, the ones I've been in are so jerky in stop and go traffic.
When the 2018 first came out i was next to one at a light OMG it had more pop then POP Corn (Love It!!!) Sounds soooooo sweet!
I went from an FBO 2014 BLack Edition GTR with E85 to a ZL-1. Don't miss the GTR at all. Old Tech. Impressive, but Dated
I'm literally torn between these two cars as my next car. I love love love the look of the 1LE. I gotta say I am leaning more towards the GT-R. It snows where I live and you can't beat all wheel drive in the snow or ice.
GTR's aren't really great on ice. I wouldn't suggest that, but it's your money. Think about what you want from a car, that'll help you decide. We all have different wants and goals for cars.
Great choice man. I have a red ss 1le and absolutely love it. Let’s keep in touch 👍👍
Great video, I actually made this same decision yesterday, I sold my 2010 GTR and bought a 2018 ZL1 1LE and I have to be honest, the GTR was a different animal that I enjoyed for many years, the car was amazing and still has a place in my heart but at this point I wanted something different, something meaner and so far with only 20 miles on the car the ZL1 1LE has put a smile on face that’s lasting a bit longer compared to the smile I had with my GTR,. The Camaro is slightly higher on the fun factor meter and I have no regrets, it’s more of an overall parallel move for me but in some areas a step up. Thanks for posting this video, I agree with a lot of the reasons why you made that move, I get it honestly.
I bet you love the sound so much more than the GTR. I know I do. Plus all that torque from factory is a big plus! Only thing I miss from the GTR is the gearing and off the line acceleration.
You'll love the ZL1 1LE so much more and there's no GTR tax when it comes to parts or fluids. I remember I spent $500 on trans fluid and $75 for diff. That's before labor. ZL1 1LE I spent $40 for trans fluid and $20 for diff(hooked up from a friend). Car is so easy to work on. I have videos for oil change, trans/diff fluid change.
Brakes are a huge improvement over the GTR as well. Stupid strong from factory. With one track day with the car, I can say it stops the car with ease.
Definitely love the sound a lot more! that alone keeps me smiling, and yes I will have to agree, that brutal acceleration and gearing with the GTR will be missed but honestly the ZL1 1LE offers so much all around right out the box I highly doubt i'll miss what the GTR had to offer for long. Thanks for the maintenance info as well, I knew going in a domestic car would be cheaper but that's great to hear about the trans and diff fluid change difference. Thanks again for responding, I really appreciate it.
I would highly suggest doing your diff fluid at break in miles. Not sure how many miles you're at now, but my diff fluid was horrible at 2,200 miles.
I honestly love this car and how cheap the parts are. I even bought extra front OEM ZL1 pads on Amazon for $196. They're good pads! I don't even need them, but doesn't hurt to have them with future track days over the coming months. Cheap parts/fluids = more tracking for me.
Also the car comes with all the cooling you need! I've tracked the car hard with 95-100 degrees and it didn't even sweat it.
The feedback from the car is so much more too. I'm glad I have someone to discuss this with because a lot of people do not get it. Especially GTR fanboys.
That's good to know, I still have baby miles, about 224 miles on her now.
I agree, if GTR fanboys aren't doing their homework in terms of what the ZL1 1LE has to offer right out the box in comparison to the GTR, not to mention the price point then they bought the car based off of hype and a badge. I loved my GTR, had it for 6 years but simply put it was time for something different and more motorsports driven and that's what I love about the ZL1 1LE.
It's definitely an upgrade and my dream car right now....the fact that it takes a connaisseur to know what it really is, make it more special to me!
Mike you're the man. Good points and gorgeous ride.
Thanks!
Pure upgrade! Power, performance, interior, technology, infotainment system, recoding, torque, hp, ect.....
The wings is the best part and the 1le on the zl1 is limited edition so maybe if you ever plan on selling it, it wont loose as much value
I like the wing and front end equally. Camaro team did a great job with the car.
Wow man just checked and the zl1 1le had a production limit at 750! Your car will definetly not loose value. Sad because I wanted to buy one but not at this time. Will have to get a used one if not regular zl1.
David Morando correct, they only accepted 750 orders for 2018. Nothing wrong with a used one. I was actually looking for a used one.
i got the SS 1le. Love it, it is probably 200 pounds lighter than Zl1 1le. Maybe little easier to live with it as daily. Zl1 1le is a lot of car for money. It is 15th fastest production car around the nurburgring. It will be collectable in the future.
Really like that Camaro, but the thing with me is that everyone and there uncle has a Camaro, Challenger, Mustang, or a Charger and now I’m seeing a lot of Vettes. The GT-R you don’t see everyday like those cars. I’m planning on getting a GT-R soon.
I'm about performance and this car out performs my 12' GTR in about every aspect. Had my GTR for 3 years, had fun, didn't have money to have both, so I chose what fit my car needs.
Didn't buy the GTR because it was less seen, it was for the performance.
I totally understand bro, u made a great choice. That car is amazing, i seen some sitting outside the dealership the other day and they are bad lookin cars. I like the exaust sound, sounds amazing stock!
I was full bolt on with catless downpipes on my GTR, doesn't sound nearly as good as my stock ZL1. GTR is a great car to go fast though. Handles well, except for the understeering. If I had the money, I would have kept it, no doubt about it.
Viper.
Everyone and they mama has a Camaro ss not the zl1.
Sad to hear that the GTR is gone, but congrats on the new vehicle, ZL1 1LE is a great car and a worthy choice.
This car is miles ahead of the GTR. No doubt a GTR is still very fast though on track. You get the right driver in a GTR, and it'll be in the top 5 fastest times at a track event.
I just wanted a car that was ready for tracking instead of having to keep modding the GTR.
I hear ya there Mike!! I know the GTR from a technology standpoint is miles ahead of its time, but again its the old dog as in terms of the features we need in a modern day sports car. Better brakes, more focused handling, tires, suspension, aero all are big add-ons and at a package, thats is more affordable without going crazy with buying and moding parts, granted we all love to tinker. I too have felt the same feelings like you did with the GTR when I sold my supercharged built NSX and many other crazy projects. But nonetheless happy to see you got a beast of a car. 1LE is a bad a$$ car and a fun one for the next track debut. =)
**Sees thumbnail** good choice man. (Definitely an upgrade. The GTR is poopy.
Nice vid. Didn't think i'd watch the whole thing but it went fast.
Would love to see more videos of the ZL1, as someone who's in the market for GTR, ZL1, or GT350 I'd love to see what this thing can do. You've got a new subscriber for sure!
Thanks for joining. It really depends on your goals on what you want to do with the car. Whether you want to drive manual, (ZL1/1LE,GT350), daily the car, budget, track, etc.
There's plenty of videos on what the ZL1 1LE can do. It is a monster on track.
If you want auto to daily/track here and there, GTR and A10 ZL1 is perfect.
There is a thing called GTR tax, where parts are expensive for no reason just because it's a GTR. Dealt with that plenty. Don't miss that.
MikeEM1 Thank you for the information, I'll definitely consider these things when browsing for my next car!
Eventhough the ZL1 1LE is a beast of a car, I will keep my GTR, as I always dreamed of it and finally achieved my goal.
We all have different goals. Enjoy in good health.
If you have metal shavings in your oil at any given point in time, break-in or not, she needs to come apart. Metal shaving get in lifters, clog them up, and now you have a nice lifter tick. But still a good idea to change the oil after 500; assembly lube and whatnot.
The main point was to get break in oil out and keep it fresh as I'm still breaking in the car.
Excellent video! I am super sad to see your GT-R go, that is certainly a dream car of mine despite any of the flaws you brought up. But the ZL1 1LE is an absolute monster and people are just ignorant if they have no idea what it is, and think it's just a base model RS with a big wang on it.
I appreciate you actually breaking down the thought process of why the ZL1 1LE was a better car for you than the GT-R, and not just slamming the GT-R and saying the Camaro is perfect in every single way and has 0 flaws. Keep up the great content brother!
Looks pretty close to perfect for what you want,I'm going to sell my modded FD and am looking for something too!
It would really be the icing if it had a softer daily damping so you could daily it.
The suspension isn't a big deal for daily use for me. Almost all roads around me are new. It's the tires that wouldn't last long if I daily it.
The GT-R is a better quarter mile slayer...but running the quarter mile in an automatic car with launch control takes no skill at all...so where is the fun in that?
The ZL1 1LE is almost as fast in a straight line, but takes practice and skill to get it's potential, and is MUCH more potent on a track with corners.
Well done!
Noise Control - uhhh...what is your point? We weren't talking about the ACR Viper, which is assuredly *slightly* faster than the ZL1 1LE...but also almost $50k more expensive.
Noise Control - Trololololol.
So first of all NO. The ACR was some 15 seconds faster around the Nurburgring than the ZL1 1LE but the ACR had experienced German pro drivers at the wheel, where the ZL1 had a young American engineer. The same drivers would put them much closer. And the NISMO isn't even close. Nissan cheated to get that 7:08 lap time and after they were caught they released *most* of the mods the car had as the aftermarket N-attack package.
This is why citing Nurburgring lap times is idiotic. Different drivers and no verification that the cars are actually stock.
And the Civic Type R???? It's a great car, but roughly on par with the V6 1LE Camaro on track, which is roughly the same price.
Go troll somewhere else.
Noise Control - I can screenshot the comment you deleted if you want to keep lying.
The gtr has a dual clutch and awd, so of course it will be quicker from a stand point and in a quarter mile.
How streetable is the ZL1 1LE? I am in Northeast Ohio, a suburb of Cleveland and our roads aren't the greatest...we have parking lots with bumper killers (speed bumps) and I'm worried about ground clearance or lack thereof. I want a ZL1 SOOO bad...I bought a 1999 Camaro SS M6 brand new and modded it to about 600hp, and still have it but the 6th gens are all around great cars: power, speed, quickness, handling, luxury feel...
I can probably get this in 11 years 👌 wash a car everyday 25$ each 4,000 cars and I'll have the 100k time to get to washing!
$25 car washes sounds like torture haha. Have multiple incomes. You'll get there.
MikeEM1 very true Mike! Thank you
David Saucedo for people with this mentality I always suggest go to school or get into a high paying trade.
Jagdeep Bains I'm trying to buy it cash not finance it
Thats one way to do it. Or you could wash cars for a year, build a name for yourself and hire 3 or 4 guys to start washing with you. In another year you can stop washing all together and now manage your team of 10 or 12 guys. You could buy this car and a nice shiny house to put it in. Always think in terms of scaling up!!
Good information at the end of the vid. Wanted to know about the street manners and it sounds like it is brutal for a street car. I thought there was a tour mode setting for the suspension? Seemed like you were bopping around a lot while hanging onto the wheel? That kinda tells me that the car if too ruff? I have driven M cars that are hard but not brutal. Lots of street noise in the cabin and tar strips on the road are loud but not unmanageable. I drove a 370Z some years ago and found it nauseating. Early Z06 vettes were rough but you were able to get used to it. Have you found the ZL1 1LE to get more comfortable with time or do you tend to avoid it for short trips of 2-4 hours?
It's a tracked focused car with racing suspension. Ride isn't made for comfort. Keep that in mind. There's no different modes when it comes to the suspension. I mentioned it somewhere towards the end. M cars are completely different. Those are soft if you ask me. Sport luxury will never be harsh. Just did a 3 hour drive to the track. Wasn't too bad. Although I prefer to tow mostly for comfort and to save the tires.
Wow what a nice upgrade!
I turned in my gtr for a zl1 1le because i wanted a manual sporty car again and the zl1 its perfect
great car, congrats
The 10 speed auto is insanely fast, but if you want the joy of driver involvement manual is the way to go, THAT 10 SPEED THO OH MY GOD!
The A10 sounds wicked at WOT. A A10 with 1LE set up would be pretty damn fast on track. I missed manual too much and had to have it again.
@@MikeEM1 That would be awesome, some crazy guy out there will try putting the 10 speed in the 1LE it's only a matter of time. Or! OR! Maybe Chevy is leaving that option open to battle the GT500 when it comes to market...🤯
We'll see if the GT500 can put the power down like the ZL1 can. ZL1 has it all, power/tq, cornering, braking. Great car.
Tbh I’m about to switch up my zo6 to a 1LE. Just cause I can option back seats out and now being a father of two I wouldn’t mind having them in the car for a drive.
I love this car in red!!! Great colour choice!!
Definitely did the right move by upgrading to the ZL1 Camaro.
I wouldn't worry about what other ppl say or think... You bought a great car. You should be very proud. Did a great job bud
I'm not worried really. I mean it's my money after all. Was just trying to let people know why I changed before I get repetitive comments asking why I switched it up.
Thank you sir!
@@MikeEM1 Trust me I get that it being your money. Honestly you wouldn't have any car if it wasn't for the money. Lol, but that's NOT issue or telling ppl why switched over to a ZR1. You put this video out bc you do care about what ppl think or you wouldn't have ever put the video out. You don't have to explain yourself to other ppl. If ppl question you. They're gonna question you. Ignore them. I've a corvette myself. Did I buy it with my money of course, but I don't care about other ppls opinions, bc that's what I enjoy. Its simple.
Enjoy your day.
That's an awesome upgrade :D
Most definitely an upgrade 💫🙏
This is a great car. I bought my 2018 ZL1 in January 2019. I up grades from a 2012 370Z Nismo. I did not like the newer Nismo body kit. The ZL1 new sticker price was $66,000 and I got $10,000 off. So I go it for $56,000. The 2019 370Z Nismo sticker price is at $48,000. A big difference between 350hp and 650hp. The new Nismo is not worth that high of a price. It's better to go with a regular 370Z and then do your own after-market parts.
All these red seat belts are getting out of hand. ..
Very impressive track car brother
Great choice
Great choice on the upgrade. Love the ZL1 exterior by far !
I believe your friend's ZL1 pulled on your GTR on a roll. Torque is what wins races in autocross and road course. I traded my 2018 Subaru WRX to a 2018 Camaro SS and I'm loving it.
Congrats. The SS is a lot of car for the money. Levels above the cars in it's price range. (STI, Evo, Civic Type R, Mustang GT, Challenger)
Amazing machine u got bro that’s wt my goal for next year
thank you!
Really considering the ZL1 1LE but worried about the ride quality, thinking of just going with the regular ZL1. 1LE looks so badass and suspension/aero upgrade is worth it IMO. This is a baby Viper ACR (that's a good thing). Maybe they improve on the ride quality for the next year.
The ZL1 might fit you better. What do you mean improve the ride quality for next year?
Perfect choice👌
Nice upgrade actually... Good luck. I don't mind me getting an SS 1LE
Interesting... however, I have AMS Carbon Ceramic kit and Monster Intercooler in my GTR and so far I have experienced no overheating issues whatsoever...
AMS carbon kit is 12k and also I wouldn't even want that for track use. I corrected myself in the video and didn't say overheating problem, but the engine oil isn't the concern on the track. It's the trans temp. Did you buy a trans cooler as well? I've personally seen my friends 15' Nismo overheat his trans at the track.
The main point is that this car comes with all the coolers and that's what I really liked about it. Not even getting into the feel and feedback I get from this car that is far better than what you can get from a GTR. The brakes are bigger/stronger and cheaper compared to the GTR. The grip of this car is easily on par with the GTR as well.
MikeEM1 you are probably right. I have no idea what a stock one would as mine is fully built. My trans is shep trans 2.5. Never has any overheating problems with is. AP racing has a great GTR kit for the Track. $12k for the AMS IS such a deal comparing to Ferrari, Lambo or Porsche prices for carbon ceramic kits.
What’s the paddles for behind steering wheel if it’s stick shift
I would have done the same. People always say auto is faster but manual is 10x for fun to drive in a sports car. Cars like this already fast enough, I’d rather have run and bang through the gears
Boosted Shoost doesn't hurt that this manual is faster around the track than GTR's either.
Currently in the market for a new ZL1 A10 vs 13-15 GTR used ... I am SOOOO TORN. I love the idea of saving $10k and having a warranty. I feel like the GTR has so much more room to grow with power upgrades and it’s actually pretty reliable. And everyone on the road wants a piece of you lol, nice feeling. How’d a ZL1 pull on you with FBO.... makes no sense
MagicalWhiskers having experience with both cars, the ZL1 is the more updated car/chassis, power, braking. Because ZL1's have crazy tq and the A10 is shifts pretty damn quick
MagicalWhiskers it doesn't have to make sense. Maybe on paper it shouldn't, but real world it did.
On paper the P1 should have been the faster car around Laguna Seca than the 918, but it wasn't.
I’m currently in a 1SS, so I’m pretty familiar with the chassis. It’s quite wonderful. Even though the GTR is an older platform, it’s still amazing on the street and, I feel like, way more usable because it can put every last horsepower down to the pavement with the AWD. I guess I can imagine why the ZL1 pulled on it... I heard GTRs without launch control do high 11s in the quarter.
MagicalWhiskers life is all about experiences and if you want to change cars completely to experience the GTR, I say go for it. I had my GTR for 3 years and was ready for change. Especially with all the bells and whistles the ZL1 1LE came with. We all have different goals in what we want from the car.
I bought my '17 ZL1 10sp auto new and had a few boton upgrades done for 647whp and I absolutely love it, I bought it over the new '17 ZO6 Corvette, it's awesome and all I need to keep me entertained. There's 11 intercoolers in the ZL1 to compensate for the overheating issues on the '15 & 16 ZO6 vettes. IMO there's no reason to go to the GTR when you can get more fun in the ZL1 for $30k less...
Is there an aftermarket tune available to optimize the available power and torque from the 6.2 supercharged engine?
Guitarzan put it in race mode. It unlocks everything
Great car
11:30 I've been saying the same thing to my friends.... "This cars' stupid" as a fun compliment 👍
Suggestion for what to talk about, can you go over the suspension? How to change the dampners and raise or lower the height from the suspension settings?
How to change the...?
What specifically would you like me to go over on the suspension? I'd be happy to talk about it.
There are setting to change the wheel chamber I believe from -3 degrees to 3 degrees for the track. It should be completely adjustable in the fly in at a moment's notice. With it also there should be a way to increase the height by 10mm for street driving. I'm trying to figure this out on my zl1 1le but I don't want to mess with stuff without knowing what I'm doing so I'm trying to get all the research I can before messing with my suspension.
Oh yes, it can go up to 3.7. I wouldn't say it's on the fly, you have to take off the wheel and unbolt the suspension from the engine bay, let it drop then adjust from there. It's not a hard task, but can be time consuming. Not something I'd want to deal with at the track. Most likely just set to your preference, get an alignment, and leave it alone.
How would you feel about adding a strut tower brace? People ask me about getting one but I know it's not necessary. Personally I'm not looking to mod the car yet, especially with its design capabilities, I see no point. But as I am new to all of this, it's best for me to get all the information I can and get input from others with experience.
People these days are hilarious. Asking you about a tower brace without probably being engineers. The car is well documented to be pretty competitive at the track, with that said of course there's always room for improvement.
I have no say on a tower brace at the moment. I only have over 600 miles on the car with zero track days with it.
The car is very rigid as it sits and the Camaro may have designed it without a brace for a reason. I don't know, I'm just guessing.
My mods as of right now will be very minimal at the moment. First mod will be switching to a better brake fluid for track use.
Think you’ll get sick of how stiff it is?
Kind of track focused for road use
Could be pretty scary in the rain too
Nope. Absolutely love it. It's perfect on track. I track it, it's not only road use. And I don't drive it in the rain. I have another car.
The ZL1 interior is higher quality than the C7. The C8 better address that.
It has now
@@blackice7408 i prefer my zl1 interior than a c8, c8 looks meh
Btw, check a Zl1 1LE beating a time lap record in Nurburgring
Very good movie!
gtr exhaust sound is a big reason that hurts the car and no manual trans. In a straight line they are really fast when modded. But the zl1 is a great car for the track. IMO the Camaro is way better looking. Congrats
terrifying and awesome....sooooo much power
How do you like the suspension on the ZL1 for around town driving?
Sam Thomas it's great. Most roads are pretty smooth in my area so no issues. I honestly could daily it since I live pretty close to work.
do some performance videos with you driving your car. challenge some buddys with roll racing
I am looking into a ZL1 1LE but can't find one to either test drive or sit passenger in to see how the ride is. Is it really that unbearable as people say? I plan to get one and drive it maybe 3 times a week about 50KMs each way. Plan to track it as well.
It's a track focused car with racecar suspension. Don't expect comfort. It's fine on perfectly smooth roads or tracks.
What a great looking sled
No need to justify why you sold it as I love your new car too and would do the same! It growls, handles like a whore from hell and is a head turner, you've got everything brother!
The ZL1 1LE was hands down an upgrade from the 2012 antiquated GTR platform. Less maintenance cost, newer design, can beat the GTR which is not track focused minus the Nismo or track edition. ZL1 more aggressive looking..,Yea.. GTR was nice for its time.. It can kick rocks until the new platform is released.
The General even the Nismo and Track Edition are still not track ready cars. All GTRs just can do a couple of hot laps. They weren't made for long sessions of abuse. Less maintenance costs was another factor to move on.
I believe the ZL1 1LE barely beat the Nismo GT-R at Laguna Seca. Motor Trend has proven that.
It's a smaller track, but still beating it by almost a full second with a manual is a great achievement. It also cost 100k less than the Nismo. It's 3 seconds faster than a 2017 Premium.
VIR times are even better than any GTR. Either way, I love both cars and wish I could have kept the GTR, but very happy with my choice. Less maintenance costs and a ton of power/tq.
love camaros... can't wait to get mine
I'm not big on Camaros, but this one is exactly what I wanted.
Really thinking about trading in my c7 z51 to a zl1 1le especially for the track. My concerns is mag ride and not 7 speed manual and heating due to the lt4 like the z06. But you're saying no overheating issue so thats a good thing. Plug im in cali you see c7 all day everyday. I like to be unique not alot of zl1 1le out in the wild... still researching great video.
There's no heating issues with the ZL1 1LE. Only Z06s. I've tracked in over 100 degree weather and car didn't even sweat it. I prefer 6 over 7 speed, but that's me. Track cars do not make good street cars, and this is a track car.
My wife and I just bought a ZL1 (not with the 1LE package) and we love it. Now, if Chevrolet will just make a Z28 with the Hennessey Exorcist build and all wheel drive ... that would be a killer machine!
That would never happen, but the ZL1 is a serious car. Great bang for buck and low maintenance.
MikeEM1 guess my wife and I will just have to send ours in to Hennessey then!
I would never let them touch my car or give them any of my money. Good luck though. Google Hennessy Performance problems.
Hennessy Performance had an F on BBB in 2016.
MikeEM1 I’ll do my homework ...
Chevy hit it out of the park. And what guys like Hennessey are doing with them is incredible. My opinion the best sportscar out there. And love the Office bits!!!
Thanks to that suspension, you can buy a used one with 500 miles for 61k :)
Cant you just replace the coil overs with softer ones ?
I don’t think it’s that easy, these are spool valve shocks not just run of the mill coilovers
@@wuaw2011 cant you just replace the whole shock with isc street comfort series kit
I've heard the ZL1 1LE rides incredibly rough compared to the regular ZL1. Going by how much you seem to be getting bounced around in the car, I believe it.
It's also incredibly smooth on track(where it belongs). You give up comfort for grip. It's a car that I exactly wanted.
Awesome move, especially with a stick.
Shawn Barber thanks!
im on the same boat. I want a zl1 soon.
No regrets for me. I love this car much more than my GTR.
Mike, I hope that car came with a kidney belt! ;) Nice car and I look forward to the detailing and track videos.
I really liked my GTR and wanted to keep it. But this car made more sense for me right now. Especially because I don't have to buy much for it. I spent so much on the GTR.
MikeEM1 I hear you on that. These R35s are money pits with the customizations. I’m going to pay mine off and pack it away in storage for occasional use. I came from a Z06 and wouldn’t mind getting another American V8 to mess with.
Also I'm not going to miss the GTR tax. Ridiculous. Pretty sure there isn't a Camaro tax lol. All the fluids should be cheaper. Especially the Transmission.
Is this your daily driver? Probably not, but was curious because I'm thinking of getting a ZL1.
It's not, but you should.
I would not say this is an upgrade or downgrade, to me the gt-r performs better and is fancier. But the camaro looks more badass and is manual and fun. I would just name this a mere replacement. But if i were u i would keep the gt-r becuz it was known to perform, the cmaro was not. I respect your choice bud :)
UberDriver 27 I agree the GTR is known to perform. And this trim is proven to outperform the GTR.
I think you should focus more on enjoying the car as opposed to how much value it'll lose for the next one.
That's why I bought a manual again. Value wasn't the only thing I brought up in the video.
I'm saleing my 2017 ss insane only 12k miles and im 1st owner for a 2015 gtr and it seems the prices have gone up on both lately.
Prices are up for a lot of cars. Used market is good if you want to sell.
I love come out I don’t have a garage sale for 19609 I love him you were smart to get a Camaro
You made the best decision... For sure
The GT350 gets smacked around the track by a regular Camaro 1LE. Lol you'd be a fool to get the GT350/R. That car was made irrelevant a long time ago. RPMs go too high and it doesnt make torque until it hits those higher RPMs which is a major downfall. ZL1 1LE was a phenomenal choice.
Not everybody buying a 350 or a ZL1/ 1LE is buying it to track. The issue with the ZL1 is it's too tamed. It's so good that it's not something that can keep you on your toes. GM engineers are so good that ANYBODY can drive a ZL1The skill gap when it comes to driving a 6th gen ZL1 is much smaller than a voodoo 350/R. Not to mention ZL1's have already fell below 60k on autotrader with ~2000 miles while the 350 and R still are holding their value into the thousands of miles. I never comment, but seeing your "RPM's go too high" and "doesn't make torque until it hits those higher RPM's" (I didn't know 3450 was a high RPMs) shows how little you know about cars and the mechanics behind them. Back to the drawing board kiddo.
S Alex well the GT350 is also a NA 5.2 flat plane crank vs a (non flat plane crank) supercharged 6.2, so of course the gt350 is going to rev very high, that’s the point of it, compared to the 1LE that was made to not have a very high revving engine but a low revving power and torque monster
How does that have anything to do with your original comment showing you have no clue about what you're on about?
Myth are you replying to me?
I’m a muscle car guy. I own a ZL1 but honestly you can’t talk shit about the GT350/R. That motor is amazing. You need to do better research.
Now your ZL1 1LE is Manual or automatic ? why got Paddle shift but i see
you step on the clutch ~ i dont know because malaysia is very rare to see ZL1... I am your Malaysian fan :P
The ZL1 1LE is a manual only car. Paddle is to turn on/off rev matching. Thanks for watching!
thank you for telling me let me know more~ I will continue to watch your video.
IDK WHY YOU HAVE SO MUCH DISLIKES BESIDES THE MIC ISSUES, The camaro is underrated and a great value for the performance. Especially the SS w/1LE package... so much bang for the buck.
BRO REAL MAN CAR!!!
If what you're concerned with is value, this car will not hold its value like all other ZL1s, 1LE or not. At the end of the day you shouldn't have to explain yourself as to why you did what you did. Its your money, your happiness and your responsibility. I love my SS 1LE, its nimble, has power, and surprisingly its a fantastic daily driver! However it will definitely not hold its value over the next couple of years when I'm done paying for it, but it makes me happy and that's what I care about.
There's only 750 of these for 2018. It's not like that for SS 1LE. And Hagerty already named this a future collectible.
BAD ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS car!!!
Thanks Mark!
Some say it's a downgrade? LMAO! GTR is awesome, but your car is definitely an upgrade! I'd take your car over a GTR in a new yor minute! Pluse, manual tranny ALL THE WAY!
How’s the deprecation with the zl1?
Having too much fun with it to care