I rarely watch these guys and this just came up on autoplay but have to say, if they are so salty about their audience, maybe they should consider a new career path...
@@mstrainjr aye that's my point, switch comments off if don't like em, but wait, that's where the money lies, deal with it or find a new audience. Pretty sure they were quick to pull Northrup when believing shit dun wrong...
It wouldn't matter anyway since the USB 3.0(aka USB 3.1 gen1) speed of 5Gb/s is equal to 625MB/s, so 2.5 times the max speed of the faster card (250MB/s). Also the USB C port on the back of his PC may actually be USB 3.2 which supports up to 20Gb/s (2.5GB/s, 2500MB/s).
What cracks me up... being in the computer field area, many of us know this and know how to read memory cards, however it is a BIG MISS even for us to translate what we now think of as common knowledge to another industry that must rely on memory cards. So glad you cleared it up for THIS industry and in a very authentic way using a 'real world' test. Great Job! Love the fact that you also CALL out the haters :) Even as my marketing coach has said... any form of advertising is STILL advertising and in this day in age, controversial comments can do a lot to build awareness and you gain a lot of CRED when you show growth in front of the masses at that point. Great job again!
Nice job on the slightly revised video. It's interesting that the port change allowed for max transfer on the two simultaneous cards. I had no idea on the multiple versions of USB either.
You got confused where 80% of the population gets confused. Nice work in explaining the confusion and going through the tests again. Great video, very useful info. Cheers man
Having worked in a high-end camera store for over 6 years, I can say one of the most frustrating things to sell is memory cards. We dealt mainly in C.Fast and SDXC cards, and about 70% of the time the customer would choose the wrong card. Keep in mind, our customer base was primarily small-to-medium business owners, often with more money than sense, having had their finger off the pulse for many years, focusing on building their business instead of actually shooting and keeping up to speed. Trying to carefully explain to this kind of person that they're wrong, the number on the box doesn't matter and they'll have to spend about 4x that price to suit their needs was a perpetual nightmare. I'd say about half of those customers thought we were trying to finesse them into buying a higher priced item which they didn't really need, so they would buy 30 or so of the cheaper cards only to come back in a couple of days with a head full of steam, ranting and raving about false advertising, accusing us of selling counterfeit cards, demanding refunds, etc etc.
There is always more than one way to look at things. Several times , I have purchased CF or SD cards that were adequate for the device of the moment , only to find that they did not deliver the performance in the next gen device that I acquired...sort of like buying a fast car and putting a governor on the engine. I now buy excess performance capability in memory cards so that I can use them longer in future devices without compromising the performance I paid for in the next gen device. That does entail paying a small premium today but saves tomorrow. Smart shopping and reading performance reviews can get the lowest price .
Hey man, this is an excellent video. You knocked it out of the park. Seriously impressed that you pursued excellence by taking on board everyone's comments and doing a remix/clarification of the old one. I found this very useful. My G9 only records video at 150Mb/s. So good to know. Looks like these Angelbird V90 cards I bought were overkill. Perhaps high framerate raw photo mode will benefit. I'm definitely gonna invest in a good card reader. Thanks again.
7:30 Haha. An old idiom states, the Worst Idiots are those that "Don't know that they don't"! You're the best in reverse merit order my friend! However very honest in that. So I like your channel.
Absolutely unscientific. You did all the test with your watch on your left hand - never stopping to move the watch to the right hand. Aside from that fatal error, we think your video was perfect. The desk is clean, you present and speak clearly, the topic is easy to follow because you explain with common sense and a dash of logic. Well done..fantastic job....except the watch fail.
You Forgot to mention not all the Camera can support the speed SD, as some time that no necessary with the Average price camera like D3400. Sometimes your camera doesn't make different with V30 or V90
11:20 - This info isn't true for modern cameras. You do not need an sdcard with fast write speed to record at high rates because anything that is yet to be written will be buffered to memory (commonly called an "image buffer" or "smart buffer"). The recommended write speed of your sdcard will depend on the memory capacity of the device you're using to record. Your info is only true for old cameras that did not use onboard ram and relied entirely on the write speed of the storage device. Most cameras (or smartphones) these days have at least 4gb+ ram so even the slowest sdcards can be used for recording high quality video.
I have the new Transcend Usb 3.1 card reader and I can confirm it works as advertised, at least for me. It's much faster than the Lexar Pro reader I had.
Please download the Logitech Unifying software, and sync up one those dongles to your mouse and keyboard so you don't have to have two in your PC. Thank you!
I came here to say this. I doubt they will see this comment, but this is true. You don't need two dongles. Those are logitech unifying receivers. You can connect your keyboard and mouse to the same receiver, not having to use two, and waste two USB slots. Just download the unifying software, unplug a dongle, and sync the device to the remaining dongle. Then, you have an extra dongle to use on, say, a laptop. This also means you can buy a unifying mouse sans dongle from ebay and save the money from buying a full package, since you already have the dongle.
This was a really good video. Since I don't film at more than 150mpbs on the GH5 I buy those cheaper cards and they work fine. I was super surprised to see how big a difference the card reader made. I'll definitely be buying one of those when I get a chance.
Just saw a video where he used a SanDisk card in a SanDisk reader. A 64GB transferred just as fast as a 125 GB card in the SanDisk reader. The Sandisk reader is only $18 on Amazon too.
Extra info: They are stating maximum possible through output. The Transcend card reader can achieve up to 260MB Read and 190 Mb Write while dealing with all cards at the same time. The ProGrade however, can deal with 2 of the absolute fastest SD cards on the market (up to 600mb/s simultaneously on each card) at the same time and will need a USB 3.1 Gen 2 connection that will allow for that maximum 1.2GB/s. This is essentially necessary/good only for people who consistently write more than 1 card at a time. For example somebody who needs footage constantly.
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I lost it at "Who's the idiot now? I didn't even know my computer had that option" XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Thank you for the time and effort you put into this video....At least you admitted to your mistakes, But there is always someone who will remind you of your wrong doing... That's life...
you should clear the cache of your computer before getting data for each read and write because it temporary stores previously used data, if the file name were found on the cache and check the validity that it is just the same file, it will just call out the file in your memory cache, not from your SD Card, this will make it faster to read or write the files.
Cool video, but a slightly better way of testing the transfer speeds etc is a program called H2testw (free). It will do a read and write test with it's own test data, so no need for a test file and it's more accuarate and consistant. It will then give you an exact readout of the transfer speeds. It can also write to card until it fills up testing it so see if the capacity is as quoted, therefore catching out fake sd cards.
Thanks for the testing. There was no need for a 2nd video. Too many people view the video only to complain and miss half of what's said and the purpose of the video.
Yes, but only brand vs cheap garbage. Had 2 no-names fail me after 3-4 years of abuse, yet a Sony 32GB SD's casing broke to almost bits while the chip itself still works like a champ after 6 years.
I was originally going to say hey, you confused your reads and writes but you did append that after doing the first copy and paste set of tests ;). Yes the nomenclature is a little confusing for sure, but if you're owning an expensive enough camera (or card) to warrant looking at minimum speeds, I argue it's important to do a quick glance and know before you're buying anyway. I wonder if the better card reader simply has more cache in it, but it's also nice to see those gen 2 cards push data so fast. I guess I tend to not care about SD card write speed as much since I'm only pulling data off of mine since I'm still shooting on CF. But if you're doing 4K+ work, then that's a different matter since the card's write speed will fall below the minimum requirements for higher bandwidth footage. But still a neat test with an expensive card for sure!
why would read speeds randomly drop from one reader to the next with the same medium, and go from a hard throttle point from 60 megs to 15? i'm not familiar with this happening under any circumstances i know of.
This is a great video. Great real-life method of testing. And it's not misleading at all but teaching a lot, especially about card readers and modern cards. It was fun to watch too. Looks like a great computer. I mean a well-balanced nice PC with high-performance and great compatibility. I don't know what was wrong with the initial video -- I haven't seen it. I believe people have almost zero knowledge about cards and card readers. And that's the problem.
Easiest job in the world: Ripping into tech videos and their creators. Lol, it's bound to happen. Don't let them to get to you. Keep the content coming!
How fast a card card can be read is useful if only if it make a big difference in duration. 10 seconds faster is hardly here nor there. The real reason there are professionals that use hi end sd cards in there cameras is for sport photography. Where by they would (and with the use of a hi end camera) shoot multi-able shots per second. In order to capture the perfect timed image. So it is the writing to these that is more important. Also the reliability and longevity of the card.
But the cache... did you restart between tests? When you copy the second time (especially to the SSD) it happens from RAM. Unless the files are different. - I see you explain it at the end -- okay, perfect.
Are you sure that your cheap Transcend reader is the same one from the B&H page you showed, the RDF9 version, which has the extra set of pins for faster UHS-II cards, and it's not the RDF8 model that doesn't? Because they look exactly the same, only the older model can't go faster than 80MB/s.
ok, so the usb debate at 7:00 it wont make any difference because i doubt the card reader will even max out the slower usb 3 speed so plugging it into a faster port will not make it read faster.
I usually go with progade cards or anything that is higher quality cards is because of their write tolerance, so you better stay away with cheaper cards, their slow and they die fast if you use in on you DSLR and use it like in daily basis.
...you compared a UHS I to a UHS II no wonder the ProGrade SD is faster in all respects lol. My question is does that matter for Camera's like the 550D or 7D, etc for video?
I wouldn't sweat it. I take photos, and I assemble my own PC's. Watching this, I could see where the minor errors in presenting the data were, but I could also kinda crunch the numbers in real world performance. The PCMR community loves to split hairs. Long story short..you proved the main thing. Better readers and cards give better results, but at a price where you may be happy to settle for longer wait times importing.
Cheap doesn't necessarily mean slower and vise versa. It's hard to choose storage media or media readers based on advertised read/write speeds. I've bought pricey media storage devices with advertised read/write speeds that were not even close in sequential and random read/write benchmark testing. I actually have two cheaper SD cards with a lower advertised read/write speed that are actually faster than one of the more expensive SD cards with a higher advertised read/write, both are the same size and speed class. I buy local, then benchmark mark the device and if doesn't live up to its advertised specs, I return it. Same goes for just about everything else I purchase. There's nothing worse than companies bloating their products specs or intentionally not listing pertinent information to rip off consumers.
Just wanted to say thanks for the video and for those using Sony camera such is the S 6300 which have heating problems in my experience with that camera when I pay the extra for very fast cards the camera never heats up and I can film all day on my 6300 and it never gets hot when I put in lower rated cards it does heat up so the speed of the card as a direct correlation on the sonic alpha cameras to the heat and the over temp issues that come up
ProGrade aka LEXAR has always been the fastest of readers, they also used to require firmware upgrades, to also note Sandisk cards were always slower in the LEXAR readers much how Final Cut works better on Apple and Premiere Pro on Windows. If you import to an NVME SSD as well you should get faster speeds. Something else you should consider is using PhotoMechanic to import, I did all these tests a few years ago, Import via USB3 or thunderbolt 2 to an SSD or now NVme through Photo Mechanic using a LEXAR (now proGrade) reader.
Michael Vettas I told Lee we should also include the USB3 lexar card readers we have (pop up ones with SD and CF) and he said they always transfer at 5mbps. We tried it and sure enough it was super slow. I remember that card reader being the one everyone jumped to when Sandisk stopped updating their CF FireWire card reader. But, for whatever reason, that Lexar reader is so slow now. -P
@@FStoppers, I moved to the LEXAR hub readers they were much faster, but have had the ProGrade on my list when I need the new reader. Try PhotoMechanic though id be keen to see if you can get even faster.
Michael Vettas - been using Photo Mechanic for years for initial downloads & edits. Love it. Never did speed tests to compare Drag & drop to desktop vs. PM. Is it any different? F-Stopper- what app you using to graph the downloads- or is that just the Windows activity window? ( I’m a Mac guy...)
@@jeffellis6544 yeah it was, the download itself was quicker, from memory maybe 10%, but it also saved time in that it was an auto download on card insert, all depends on your situation I guess, I mainly shoot as press so anything and everything to speed up my process is of benefit, from importing the cards to auto iptc info and preview viewing.
It's funny my UHS 2 capable reader will read top spec cards at maximum capacity. I got a cheap £10 Integral reader that reads my cards at maximum or sometimes just below maximum read/write speed. So long as I'm using a USB 3 powered port. I don't know what's wrong with that Transcend reader frankly. Perhaps the tech is moving fast. I only got mine a couple weeks ago.
"Good camera store" is bull crap, has no advantage over Amazon except the card will cost much more plus worse yet at a camera store they will try to up-sell you expensive useless UV filters to "save / protect you're lens" bullshit.
Well just Buy Thunderbolt 3 cable USB-C (£20) connect between Sony A7RIII and iMac with USB -C - access two cards, plus charge camera then you finish - Job done
If you would like some more details testing you could try using CrystalDiskMark to try different tests, it even allows you to set different amounts up to 32GiB
Don't you wish computer tower cases were still designed to have an internal reader? I do. Why they don't makes no sense to me. Prograde should make a version with SD and Micro SD too, with an internal mount option. i'm about to build a new modern computer and will have to reuse my old tower case and probably my old reader.
As I am not the impatient type who wants everything fast, fast, fast or else I'll go mad, the cheaper option makes more sense for me. It's not like I'm transferring files all day long. Besides, what's an extra 10 seconds anyway? It takes me longer to change a pair a pants!
You do mention it, but just to highlight - my GX85 for example has a max. internal write speed of about 33MB/s. Therefore, there is no performance enhancement while shooting with a faster card. The GH5 is much faster internally. Check your camera's specs before choosing a card.
There is still mistake regarding the Transcend reader. The reader you are using is old model RDF8K which doesn't support UHS-II but the specs you are showing are for the newer model RDF9K and with that you should be getting about the same results as with the ProGrade reader. I own the same old model as you. www.transcend-info.com/Products/No-331 www.transcend-info.com/Products/No-709
That actually might be your SSD slowing down because of the SLC cache. Anything over 20 GB will slow down. Unless of course you have a drive with no Cache
Sony G series SD card better option (reliable) than ProGrade. I lost all my photos on two ProGrade cards!! I use Transcend Reader Card USB 3.0 (CF, SD, MicroSD) for 5 years without issue. Enough speed for me. I go to the kitchen take a Diet Coke and Hershey bar and return to the computer and everything (download) is in my computer ready to work. Forget ProGrade.!!
Actually, the cable with the weird connectors is a pre-2000s Centronics printer cable. And, it is a *parallel* transmission device, not serial and is wicked slow compared to today's USB serial system. I'm not trolling,-I'm just old enough to remember all these older ways of doing things which were the best for their time.
Could you please test how using V30, V60 and V90 cards affect the number of pictures you can take while burst shooting pictures? I own a Sony a6300 and would like to know if I can benefit from upgrading to V60 cards.
I get 60 megabytes per second on the older cards myself and I get 90 with a very expensive ones. Sounds silly but it's really worth it to me I avoid shooting on the crappy ones.
It always surprises me that a lot of "pro's", using expensive equipment and advising other people about buying expensive equipment, are themself cheapskates and don't listen to other people giving them advise about, lets say, better cardreaders.
But why not compare two cards with similar specs? Yes, if you compare the V90 and the V30 card, ofcourse the V90 is gonna perform better. What I'm interested in is how does a budget fast card (like ADATA Premier One V90 64gb ~50€) compare to a more expensive V90 card (like your Prograde) and a similarly priced slower card (like SanDisk Extreme).
@3:45 the cheaper one is only USB 3.1 GEN 1 which max out at 5Gbps and the expensive one is USB 3.1 GEN 2 which is 10 Gbps of course it’s going to be faster
I've read that many V60 cards are not able to record at the GH5's max quality. We all know companies lie about their products, just look at the size advertisement that counts GB = 1000MB and not 1024MB. From your experience, which is the cheapest and best SD card for the 400mb/s speed of the GH5 ?
Great job and the results do match what’s expected given the tech & price point . Would be a fun test to do adding in an XQD card or even the ultra-fast CFast cards - but you are going to have to use bigger files :) Keep doing these and LOVE the ending - that was so funny 😂
NEWS FLASH: Faster cards are faster!!! Sorry to pile on, but, um, yeah. A much more interesting...and useful...test would be to compare two IDENTICALLY spec'd cards that are priced differently. In other words, is "ProGrade" or "Angelbird" any better than an el-cheapo brand card?
There's some bottleneck on a card reader, so you need reader that can do fast transfer if you want take the advantage from the more expensive card if you have a money to drop on those expensive things, you might wanted to read the manual so you didn't messed up in the first place Investing some time for read the manual because you have drop a serious money on that things and it's not that hard xD
That's what I found out (maybe will be helpful) Sony A9 I (uncompressed RAW + extrafine JPEG) 1) Slot 1 Sony Tough G 300, 128GB; Slot 2 Sandisk 95, 128GB; photos in buffer until full: 146; buffer empties in 46 sec 2) Slot 1 Sandisk 300, 128GB; Slot 2 Sandisk 95, 128GB photos in buffer until full: 131; buffer empties in 46 sec 3) Slot 1 Sony Tough G 277, 256GB; Slot 2 Sandisk 95, 128GB photos in buffer until full: 131; buffer empties in 48 sec 4) Slot 1 Lexar 1000x, 128GB; Slot 2 Sandisk 95, 128GB photos in buffer until full: 120; buffer empties in 1min10 sec Sony a7R IV (uncompressed RAW + extrafine JPEG) 1) Slot 1 Sony Tough G 300, 128GB; Slot 2 Sony G 300, 128GB photos in buffer until full: 34; buffer empties in 18 sec 2) Slot 1 Sandisk 300, 128GB; Slot 2 Sony G 300, 128GB photos in buffer until full: 35; buffer empties in 19 sec 3) Slot 1 Sony Tough G 300, 128GB; Slot 2 Sony Tough G 277, 256GB photos in buffer until full: 35; buffer empties in 19 sec 4) Slot 1 Sandisk 300, 128GB; Slot 2 Sony Tough G 277, 256GB photos in buffer until full: 33; buffer empties in 17 sec 5) Slot 1 Lexar 1000x, 128GB; Slot 2 Sony Tough G 277, 256GB photos in buffer until full: 33; buffer empties in 49 sec
are you guys just too much wanted to find things that he told is wrong? the speed of the highest card reader here is 200MBps which is 1.6Gbps most of the time. even the USB 3.0 / USB 3.1 gen1 or the USB3.2 gen1 (the same thing) has 5Gbps is over 2 times greater than the max bandwidth it is needed to enable to max transfer speed of the SD card.
speed is 1 issue, life span of the card is another, all sd cards has limited write cycles, since the speed improved so much, i guess they use different technology or material for the card, so the life span might changed too.
You said "SSD Drive", meaning Solid State Drive Drive. Reupload it again.
Sacha Korban hahaha
I was like , oof...
Reupload it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haha
Sacha Korban yeah man get it right. Just like when people say it’s atm. It’s pronounced atm machine
"But I'm sure you guys are gonna have something else to complain about."
That statement just about captures the sum of all UA-cam comments.
Captures the sum of ALL comments made on the internet period. hahaha
No it doesnt your just a socialist liberal millennial snowflake MAGA!
I rarely watch these guys and this just came up on autoplay but have to say, if they are so salty about their audience, maybe they should consider a new career path...
@@tuvaaq It is the saltiness of a seasoned UA-camr.
@@mstrainjr aye that's my point, switch comments off if don't like em, but wait, that's where the money lies, deal with it or find a new audience. Pretty sure they were quick to pull Northrup when believing shit dun wrong...
“Who’s the idiot now?? I don’t even know the features of my own computer.”, is it a trick question?
I think it might be a self-deprecating joke...
It wouldn't matter anyway since the USB 3.0(aka USB 3.1 gen1) speed of 5Gb/s is equal to 625MB/s, so 2.5 times the max speed of the faster card (250MB/s). Also the USB C port on the back of his PC may actually be USB 3.2 which supports up to 20Gb/s (2.5GB/s, 2500MB/s).
@@theirishscionyeah I think it was
Fixing your ignorance is commendable, not idiotic.
Found the idiot
What cracks me up... being in the computer field area, many of us know this and know how to read memory cards, however it is a BIG MISS even for us to translate what we now think of as common knowledge to another industry that must rely on memory cards. So glad you cleared it up for THIS industry and in a very authentic way using a 'real world' test. Great Job! Love the fact that you also CALL out the haters :) Even as my marketing coach has said... any form of advertising is STILL advertising and in this day in age, controversial comments can do a lot to build awareness and you gain a lot of CRED when you show growth in front of the masses at that point. Great job again!
Also your chart still has read and write speeds swapped, but that's not a huge issue haha
Dammit!
Nice job on the slightly revised video. It's interesting that the port change allowed for max transfer on the two simultaneous cards. I had no idea on the multiple versions of USB either.
Your hat is facing wrong way!!!!
Lol.. tnx for doing this btw ^^
Yeah you don't want to be going out in the sun like that , end up with a big white stripe on ya head 😀
If someone is wearing a baseball cap backwards, I *cannot* take them seriously.
I hope everyone here's is joking..
You got confused where 80% of the population gets confused. Nice work in explaining the confusion and going through the tests again. Great video, very useful info. Cheers man
Having worked in a high-end camera store for over 6 years, I can say one of the most frustrating things to sell is memory cards.
We dealt mainly in C.Fast and SDXC cards, and about 70% of the time the customer would choose the wrong card.
Keep in mind, our customer base was primarily small-to-medium business owners, often with more money than sense, having had their finger off the pulse for many years, focusing on building their business instead of actually shooting and keeping up to speed. Trying to carefully explain to this kind of person that they're wrong, the number on the box doesn't matter and they'll have to spend about 4x that price to suit their needs was a perpetual nightmare.
I'd say about half of those customers thought we were trying to finesse them into buying a higher priced item which they didn't really need, so they would buy 30 or so of the cheaper cards only to come back in a couple of days with a head full of steam, ranting and raving about false advertising, accusing us of selling counterfeit cards, demanding refunds, etc etc.
Seemed that you are wrong AND not good at explaining. The numbers on the boxes do matter and are easy to understand. Get another job.
There is always more than one way to look at things. Several times , I have purchased CF or SD cards that were adequate for the device of the moment , only to find that they did not deliver the performance in the next gen device that I acquired...sort of like buying a fast car and putting a governor on the engine. I now buy excess performance capability in memory cards so that I can use them longer in future devices without compromising the performance I paid for in the next gen device. That does entail paying a small premium today but saves tomorrow. Smart shopping and reading performance reviews can get the lowest price .
You say 17$ card reader is cheap. In our country we buy them for 0.20$.
kosovo is very good country.
Yes, but what's the average wage?
@@cooloox 200$
$200 a month? Hour? What? Give references please. I’m confused.
@@VictorOrange 100$ per month, min wage. I used to do it.
Uni passed students do jobs full time 200$ wage.
Hey man, this is an excellent video. You knocked it out of the park. Seriously impressed that you pursued excellence by taking on board everyone's comments and doing a remix/clarification of the old one. I found this very useful. My G9 only records video at 150Mb/s. So good to know. Looks like these Angelbird V90 cards I bought were overkill. Perhaps high framerate raw photo mode will benefit. I'm definitely gonna invest in a good card reader. Thanks again.
Have you tested the Sony "Though" cards?
usb 3.0 caps at cca 5gb/s this is still at half the bandwidth only, nice vid! did not expect the reader to make such a difference! sick setup too!!
7:30 Haha. An old idiom states, the Worst Idiots are those that "Don't know that they don't"! You're the best in reverse merit order my friend! However very honest in that. So I like your channel.
Can you redo the test again? You mislabeled the Sandisk's read/write speeds on the notes in the video.
Absolutely unscientific. You did all the test with your watch on your left hand - never stopping to move the watch to the right hand. Aside from that fatal error, we think your video was perfect. The desk is clean, you present and speak clearly, the topic is easy to follow because you explain with common sense and a dash of logic. Well done..fantastic job....except the watch fail.
Cudos for redoing the test and being honest to yourself and the audience. I really appreciate that ;)
You Forgot to mention not all the Camera can support the speed SD, as some time that no necessary with the Average price camera like D3400.
Sometimes your camera doesn't make different with V30 or V90
11:20 - This info isn't true for modern cameras. You do not need an sdcard with fast write speed to record at high rates because anything that is yet to be written will be buffered to memory (commonly called an "image buffer" or "smart buffer"). The recommended write speed of your sdcard will depend on the memory capacity of the device you're using to record.
Your info is only true for old cameras that did not use onboard ram and relied entirely on the write speed of the storage device. Most cameras (or smartphones) these days have at least 4gb+ ram so even the slowest sdcards can be used for recording high quality video.
I have the new Transcend Usb 3.1 card reader and I can confirm it works as advertised, at least for me. It's much faster than the Lexar Pro reader I had.
I just subscribe to your channel thanks to your good sense of humor and for the good info and deliver! 👍🏽
Please download the Logitech Unifying software, and sync up one those dongles to your mouse and keyboard so you don't have to have two in your PC.
Thank you!
I came here to say this. I doubt they will see this comment, but this is true. You don't need two dongles. Those are logitech unifying receivers. You can connect your keyboard and mouse to the same receiver, not having to use two, and waste two USB slots. Just download the unifying software, unplug a dongle, and sync the device to the remaining dongle. Then, you have an extra dongle to use on, say, a laptop. This also means you can buy a unifying mouse sans dongle from ebay and save the money from buying a full package, since you already have the dongle.
David Spivey Gospel isn’t that exactly what I was saying above?
I knew the card made a difference from shooting with them. But had no idea about the card readers. That was a cool and surprising plot twist.
This was a really good video. Since I don't film at more than 150mpbs on the GH5 I buy those cheaper cards and they work fine. I was super surprised to see how big a difference the card reader made. I'll definitely be buying one of those when I get a chance.
@@Noksus U knew what I meant
GREAT VIDEO, ALSO WHERE DID YOU FIND YOUR BACK DROPS OR WALL PANELS
GravityBackdrops.com -P
THANK YOU SO MUCH
Interesting video. Great job :-)
Just saw a video where he used a SanDisk card in a SanDisk reader. A 64GB transferred just as fast as a 125 GB card in the SanDisk reader. The Sandisk reader is only $18 on Amazon too.
Extra info: They are stating maximum possible through output. The Transcend card reader can achieve up to 260MB Read and 190 Mb Write while dealing with all cards at the same time. The ProGrade however, can deal with 2 of the absolute fastest SD cards on the market (up to 600mb/s simultaneously on each card) at the same time and will need a USB 3.1 Gen 2 connection that will allow for that maximum 1.2GB/s. This is essentially necessary/good only for people who consistently write more than 1 card at a time. For example somebody who needs footage constantly.
I lost it at "Who's the idiot now? I didn't even know my computer had that option" XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Thank you for the time and effort you put into this video....At least you admitted to your mistakes, But there is always someone
who will remind you of your wrong doing... That's life...
you should clear the cache of your computer before getting data for each read and write because it temporary stores previously used data, if the file name were found on the cache and check the validity that it is just the same file, it will just call out the file in your memory cache, not from your SD Card, this will make it faster to read or write the files.
Cool video, but a slightly better way of testing the transfer speeds etc is a program called H2testw (free). It will do a read and write test with it's own test data, so no need for a test file and it's more accuarate and consistant. It will then give you an exact readout of the transfer speeds. It can also write to card until it fills up testing it so see if the capacity is as quoted, therefore catching out fake sd cards.
Thanks for the testing. There was no need for a 2nd video. Too many people view the video only to complain and miss half of what's said and the purpose of the video.
Yes, but only brand vs cheap garbage. Had 2 no-names fail me after 3-4 years of abuse, yet a Sony 32GB SD's casing broke to almost bits while the chip itself still works like a champ after 6 years.
I was originally going to say hey, you confused your reads and writes but you did append that after doing the first copy and paste set of tests ;). Yes the nomenclature is a little confusing for sure, but if you're owning an expensive enough camera (or card) to warrant looking at minimum speeds, I argue it's important to do a quick glance and know before you're buying anyway. I wonder if the better card reader simply has more cache in it, but it's also nice to see those gen 2 cards push data so fast. I guess I tend to not care about SD card write speed as much since I'm only pulling data off of mine since I'm still shooting on CF. But if you're doing 4K+ work, then that's a different matter since the card's write speed will fall below the minimum requirements for higher bandwidth footage.
But still a neat test with an expensive card for sure!
why would read speeds randomly drop from one reader to the next with the same medium, and go from a hard throttle point from 60 megs to 15? i'm not familiar with this happening under any circumstances i know of.
This is a great video. Great real-life method of testing. And it's not misleading at all but teaching a lot, especially about card readers and modern cards. It was fun to watch too. Looks like a great computer. I mean a well-balanced nice PC with high-performance and great compatibility. I don't know what was wrong with the initial video -- I haven't seen it. I believe people have almost zero knowledge about cards and card readers. And that's the problem.
Easiest job in the world: Ripping into tech videos and their creators.
Lol, it's bound to happen. Don't let them to get to you. Keep the content coming!
How fast a card card can be read is useful if only if it make a big difference in duration. 10 seconds faster is hardly here nor there. The real reason there are professionals that use hi end sd cards in there cameras is for sport photography. Where by they would (and with the use of a hi end camera) shoot multi-able shots per second. In order to capture the perfect timed image. So it is the writing to these that is more important. Also the reliability and longevity of the card.
But the cache... did you restart between tests? When you copy the second time (especially to the SSD) it happens from RAM. Unless the files are different. - I see you explain it at the end -- okay, perfect.
Yeah that is what I was thinking
Are you sure that your cheap Transcend reader is the same one from the B&H page you showed, the RDF9 version, which has the extra set of pins for faster UHS-II cards, and it's not the RDF8 model that doesn't? Because they look exactly the same, only the older model can't go faster than 80MB/s.
It''s old reader from Transcend's RDF8K2 (UHS-I) . New one (RDF9) dont have USB 3.0 lable on the top . On Front label: UHS-II (SD).
What a out the prograde micro ad card, will it be faster than the cheap ones?
25/5000
GREAT GOOD GOOD CARD.
ok, so the usb debate at 7:00 it wont make any difference because i doubt the card reader will even max out the slower usb 3 speed so plugging it into a faster port will not make it read faster.
I usually go with progade cards or anything that is higher quality cards is because of their write tolerance, so you better stay away with cheaper cards, their slow and they die fast if you use in on you DSLR and use it like in daily basis.
...you compared a UHS I to a UHS II no wonder the ProGrade SD is faster in all respects lol. My question is does that matter for Camera's like the 550D or 7D, etc for video?
Have you considered doing a test for XQD and CF cards?
I wouldn't sweat it. I take photos, and I assemble my own PC's. Watching this, I could see where the minor errors in presenting the data were, but I could also kinda crunch the numbers in real world performance. The PCMR community loves to split hairs. Long story short..you proved the main thing. Better readers and cards give better results, but at a price where you may be happy to settle for longer wait times importing.
It's only that fast if your camera supports that protocol
Cheap doesn't necessarily mean slower and vise versa. It's hard to choose storage media or media readers based on advertised read/write speeds. I've bought pricey media storage devices with advertised read/write speeds that were not even close in sequential and random read/write benchmark testing. I actually have two cheaper SD cards with a lower advertised read/write speed that are actually faster than one of the more expensive SD cards with a higher advertised read/write, both are the same size and speed class. I buy local, then benchmark mark the device and if doesn't live up to its advertised specs, I return it. Same goes for just about everything else I purchase. There's nothing worse than companies bloating their products specs or intentionally not listing pertinent information to rip off consumers.
Just wanted to say thanks for the video and for those using Sony camera such is the S 6300 which have heating problems in my experience with that camera when I pay the extra for very fast cards the camera never heats up and I can film all day on my 6300 and it never gets hot when I put in lower rated cards it does heat up so the speed of the card as a direct correlation on the sonic alpha cameras to the heat and the over temp issues that come up
wait why are you using 2 unifying USBs? you have 8 logitech devices?
He needs to address this and REUPLOAD!
ProGrade aka LEXAR has always been the fastest of readers, they also used to require firmware upgrades, to also note Sandisk cards were always slower in the LEXAR readers much how Final Cut works better on Apple and Premiere Pro on Windows. If you import to an NVME SSD as well you should get faster speeds. Something else you should consider is using PhotoMechanic to import, I did all these tests a few years ago, Import via USB3 or thunderbolt 2 to an SSD or now NVme through Photo Mechanic using a LEXAR (now proGrade) reader.
Michael Vettas I told Lee we should also include the USB3 lexar card readers we have (pop up ones with SD and CF) and he said they always transfer at 5mbps. We tried it and sure enough it was super slow. I remember that card reader being the one everyone jumped to when Sandisk stopped updating their CF FireWire card reader. But, for whatever reason, that Lexar reader is so slow now. -P
@@FStoppers, I moved to the LEXAR hub readers they were much faster, but have had the ProGrade on my list when I need the new reader.
Try PhotoMechanic though id be keen to see if you can get even faster.
Michael Vettas - been using Photo Mechanic for years for initial downloads & edits. Love it. Never did speed tests to compare Drag & drop to desktop vs. PM.
Is it any different?
F-Stopper- what app you using to graph the downloads- or is that just the Windows activity window? ( I’m a Mac guy...)
@@jeffellis6544 yeah it was, the download itself was quicker, from memory maybe 10%, but it also saved time in that it was an auto download on card insert, all depends on your situation I guess, I mainly shoot as press so anything and everything to speed up my process is of benefit, from importing the cards to auto iptc info and preview viewing.
Hey, you tower PC looks amazing. Did you build it yourself?
Thank you, that was helpful!
It's funny my UHS 2 capable reader will read top spec cards at maximum capacity. I got a cheap £10 Integral reader that reads my cards at maximum or sometimes just below maximum read/write speed. So long as I'm using a USB 3 powered port. I don't know what's wrong with that Transcend reader frankly. Perhaps the tech is moving fast. I only got mine a couple weeks ago.
Please reupload the video cause your cap is facing backwards
My friend if you are going to buy a SD card try buying it from a good camera store.
"Good camera store" is bull crap, has no advantage over Amazon except the card will cost much more plus worse yet at a camera store they will try to up-sell you expensive useless UV filters to "save / protect you're lens" bullshit.
I got a card reader on eBay for about $5 and it was great. I can do a video on that maybe. Good idea.
Well just Buy Thunderbolt 3 cable USB-C (£20) connect between Sony A7RIII and iMac with USB -C - access two cards, plus charge camera then you finish - Job done
Well done... I needed this info.
If you would like some more details testing you could try using CrystalDiskMark to try different tests, it even allows you to set different amounts up to 32GiB
Don't you wish computer tower cases were still designed to have an internal reader? I do. Why they don't makes no sense to me. Prograde should make a version with SD and Micro SD too, with an internal mount option. i'm about to build a new modern computer and will have to reuse my old tower case and probably my old reader.
Excellent video 📹 thanks, Bob
As I am not the impatient type who wants everything fast, fast, fast or else I'll go mad, the cheaper option makes more sense for me. It's not like I'm transferring files all day long. Besides, what's an extra 10 seconds anyway? It takes me longer to change a pair a pants!
You do mention it, but just to highlight - my GX85 for example has a max. internal write speed of about 33MB/s. Therefore, there is no performance enhancement while shooting with a faster card. The GH5 is much faster internally. Check your camera's specs before choosing a card.
why isn't anyone talking about cache messing with the 2nd copy test? if he copied the same file(s)
There is still mistake regarding the Transcend reader. The reader you are using is old model RDF8K which doesn't support UHS-II but the specs you are showing are for the newer model RDF9K and with that you should be getting about the same results as with the ProGrade reader. I own the same old model as you.
www.transcend-info.com/Products/No-331
www.transcend-info.com/Products/No-709
Dammit! I'll pin a post explaining the error.
I understand how this works in electronics. The cheaper cards do catch up in time.
Thanks for the real life analysis!
Would be much more interesting to see cards of the same type/interface compete.
fyi the card reader difference is the same as a dramless ssd drive vs one with it.
That actually might be your SSD slowing down because of the SLC cache.
Anything over 20 GB will slow down. Unless of course you have a drive with no Cache
Very nice - but the Prograde's price is still way too high. I stick with the extremepro.
A little bit blue tag will easily fix the problem .
Sony G series SD card better option (reliable) than ProGrade. I lost all my photos on two ProGrade cards!! I use Transcend Reader Card USB 3.0 (CF, SD, MicroSD) for 5 years without issue. Enough speed for me. I go to the kitchen take a Diet Coke and Hershey bar and return to the computer and everything (download) is in my computer ready to work. Forget ProGrade.!!
14:50 Dang... I was soooo looking forward to the benchmark test of the RS232 vs Thunderbolt cable 😔
Actually, the cable with the weird connectors is a pre-2000s Centronics printer cable. And, it is a *parallel* transmission device, not serial and is wicked slow compared to today's USB serial system. I'm not trolling,-I'm just old enough to remember all these older ways of doing things which were the best for their time.
@@sweethomeboston2720 Same here, I still have some of those old cables lying around because I've been too lazy to throw them out.
Could you please test how using V30, V60 and V90 cards affect the number of pictures you can take while burst shooting pictures? I own a Sony a6300 and would like to know if I can benefit from upgrading to V60 cards.
The side table you pop up.... The labels are backwards. "Read"/"Write" labels, I mean.
Give Lee a break, aat least he owned up to it and corrected his mistakes, thanks for the follow up and making this comparison. keep up the work!
I get 60 megabytes per second on the older cards myself and I get 90 with a very expensive ones. Sounds silly but it's really worth it to me I avoid shooting on the crappy ones.
kudos for doing the right thing man..
UA-cam is the new commercial channel
It always surprises me that a lot of "pro's", using expensive equipment and advising other people about buying expensive equipment, are themself cheapskates and don't listen to other people giving them advise about, lets say, better cardreaders.
But why not compare two cards with similar specs? Yes, if you compare the V90 and the V30 card, ofcourse the V90 is gonna perform better. What I'm interested in is how does a budget fast card (like ADATA Premier One V90 64gb ~50€) compare to a more expensive V90 card (like your Prograde) and a similarly priced slower card (like SanDisk Extreme).
@3:45 the cheaper one is only USB 3.1 GEN 1 which max out at 5Gbps and the expensive one is USB 3.1 GEN 2 which is 10 Gbps of course it’s going to be faster
Mac Man he did mention why.
Watch the whole video.
I've read that many V60 cards are not able to record at the GH5's max quality. We all know companies lie about their products, just look at the size advertisement that counts GB = 1000MB and not 1024MB. From your experience, which is the cheapest and best SD card for the 400mb/s speed of the GH5 ?
We have not tested this I’m afraid.
Yeah but if your camera isn't UHS-II compatible, it won't be any faster....
What happens if you are still using CF cards? Any options?
Joke at the end LOL. Great info thanks.
Great job and the results do match what’s expected given the tech & price point . Would be a fun test to do adding in an XQD card or even the ultra-fast CFast cards - but you are going to have to use bigger files :)
Keep doing these and LOVE the ending - that was so funny 😂
NEWS FLASH: Faster cards are faster!!! Sorry to pile on, but, um, yeah. A much more interesting...and useful...test would be to compare two IDENTICALLY spec'd cards that are priced differently. In other words, is "ProGrade" or "Angelbird" any better than an el-cheapo brand card?
There's some bottleneck on a card reader, so you need reader that can do fast transfer if you want take the advantage from the more expensive card
if you have a money to drop on those expensive things, you might wanted to read the manual so you didn't messed up in the first place
Investing some time for read the manual because you have drop a serious money on that things and it's not that hard xD
That's what I found out (maybe will be helpful)
Sony A9 I (uncompressed RAW + extrafine JPEG)
1) Slot 1 Sony Tough G 300, 128GB; Slot 2 Sandisk 95, 128GB;
photos in buffer until full: 146; buffer empties in 46 sec
2) Slot 1 Sandisk 300, 128GB; Slot 2 Sandisk 95, 128GB
photos in buffer until full: 131; buffer empties in 46 sec
3) Slot 1 Sony Tough G 277, 256GB; Slot 2 Sandisk 95, 128GB
photos in buffer until full: 131; buffer empties in 48 sec
4) Slot 1 Lexar 1000x, 128GB; Slot 2 Sandisk 95, 128GB
photos in buffer until full: 120; buffer empties in 1min10 sec
Sony a7R IV (uncompressed RAW + extrafine JPEG)
1) Slot 1 Sony Tough G 300, 128GB; Slot 2 Sony G 300, 128GB
photos in buffer until full: 34; buffer empties in 18 sec
2) Slot 1 Sandisk 300, 128GB; Slot 2 Sony G 300, 128GB
photos in buffer until full: 35; buffer empties in 19 sec
3) Slot 1 Sony Tough G 300, 128GB; Slot 2 Sony Tough G 277, 256GB
photos in buffer until full: 35; buffer empties in 19 sec
4) Slot 1 Sandisk 300, 128GB; Slot 2 Sony Tough G 277, 256GB
photos in buffer until full: 33; buffer empties in 17 sec
5) Slot 1 Lexar 1000x, 128GB; Slot 2 Sony Tough G 277, 256GB
photos in buffer until full: 33; buffer empties in 49 sec
Are you going to WPPI?
are you guys just too much wanted to find things that he told is wrong? the speed of the highest card reader here is 200MBps which is 1.6Gbps most of the time. even the USB 3.0 / USB 3.1 gen1 or the USB3.2 gen1 (the same thing) has 5Gbps is over 2 times greater than the max bandwidth it is needed to enable to max transfer speed of the SD card.
out of curiosity how is my Mac i7 built in SD card reader. my old Mac with card reader was about 5 times slower on uploading images.
speed is 1 issue, life span of the card is another, all sd cards has limited write cycles, since the speed improved so much, i guess they use different technology or material for the card, so the life span might changed too.
great video. thank you.