He's not the only one, Intel ended production in 2007 but kept shipping orders well into 2008. Considering it takes a couple months to fabricate a CPU that means Intel "retired" the P4 and brought it back just to be abused and overworked several times over. (worked at Fab14 briefly, long enough to be told exactly how I borked my part with three wafers but got all 9 others almost perfect).
I worked on the team at Intel that delivered the desktop BIOS for the P4 processor. I did validation testing for various OEM partners like Dell, HP, and Compaq. I miss those days!
Oh, so you're the one that supplied the crappy bios with practically no options! J/K of course, I had a P4 2.53, can't remember the board name but it had 1GB of RDRam. Intel Mobo.
I graduated high school in 1995 & was very much a PC nerd in the 90s. I graduated May 28, 1995 & started working full time building PCs for a library automation company on August 15, 1995. By 1999, I was the head of IT for the mortgage division of a large bank. In 2001 I left there & took a Network Engineer position for a huge insurance company until 2008. I miss this crap so much, because I remember many days like this video! There was a lot of colorful languages followed by "why are you working! There is zero reason you shouldn't be working!" Then stuff would just start working for absolutely no reason. I can't tell you how many times I've ripped parts out & thrown them over my shoulder & putting a new one in. This may sound sick, but I actually enjoyed that time in my life, it actually brings tears to my eyes thinking about how much I miss it. 95-2005 was a very special time that we'll never see again.
Agreed. I’ve only retired machines because they’ve become useless for my needs, not from pure consumerism. Right now I have two retired-but-functional machines - a Gigabyte Brix with an a8-5557m, retired from lack of Vulkan, and a Dell Venue 8 Pro tablet retired because of Windows 10 and the Internet getting too heavy for video streaming on the poor Atom 4-core.
You've convinced me, I'll be building a windows 11 pentium 4 PC! Update: House fire :( Update 2: I figured out the issue, My GPU was lacking, lucky me I have this old Thermi card around! Update: House fire :(
Well, at least the Pentium 4 didn't quite literally kill itself... Unlike modern 13th and 14th Gens... That's worth a point or two for good old Netburst, right?
It wasn't the best Cpu and it ran hot but at least it ran. Honestly if they were 64-bit I could still see some people running Linux on them. But as it stands they are amazing for retro Win98 and XP stuff.
@@ruikazane5123 I think they need to be on LGA-775 or later. I think they have an F in the name, and sometimes called 'Prescott'. Even those aren't great in 64-bit, but it CAN do it. You might have some application incompatibilities due to missing instruction sets though.
The thing with the NX bit removal is while you can remove the NX bit requirement check on Windows 10, it won’t help since the OS actively uses it. So it will crash and be unstable. That is normal.
@@amadeusagripino6862 well yes, because it was intended to run at frequencies between 5.0GHz and 7.0GHz. The closest thing that we have to the Pentium 5 is the Pentium 4 overclocking, in fact there is a whole video of a guy trying to get the Pentium 4 to run at 5GHz.
I had a pentium 4 and it had XP on it. It constantly ran so hot it hit the thermal limit and just shutdown so many times (and this was with huge heat sink, exhaust fans, intake fans... the works). Damn thing was literally a space heater. It lasted a year before it toasted itself and I got a laptop with a Core 2 Duo. It was so much more powerful than the P4 and never hit the thermal limit during its lifespan.
Funnily enough my Coppermine Pentium 3 system decided to stop booting as well at the start of this month. No leaks, nothing, worked the night prior perfectly fine.
I've lost two Socket 370 motherboards in a month. I wonder, if their EEROMs have corrupted themselves after ~25 years of storing the information. Now I'm updating BIOSes on all of my machines.
I remember these times when I was a kid. First time I played Doom 3 on a P4 computer in an internet cafe. At that time, I could only dream of owning a PC. It was a demo version that could only be launched through the console. The level available to play was very intense and scary. I was extremely impressed by the graphics and the power of the P4. Now, thankfully, I can buy any PC equipment I want
ive wanted to see such a coment same thing I have thought so I knew where this was going with such an old system :D anyway nice vid in my job I did we once had those old servers simmilarly old to this pc and we had the same issues when wanting to run anything newer windows server than Server 2008
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial I've tried it with WinXP SP3 and MyPal 68.13.8b browser that is backported to run on non-sse2 processors. It was painful, but I was able to access one of the many ChatGTP-like AIs on a shady looking site, and talk to it. Also tried a dual-cpu Pentium III server, and it is somewhat usable too.
Crazy that Windows 10 uses more resources than these older games. It's sad that Windows abandon support for their "old" versions making old hardware unusable. Windows XP and 7 are still the best.
G'day @6Twisted, I still use an XP PC for Analogue to Digital Conversion & Retro Gaming, the games I play are either original disc versions or GOG DRM Free versions. For A-D I do Records, Cassettes & VHS with RCA-USB Converter. For photos I do 35mm + Slides with my HP Scanner which is the reason I still run XP Home as the program will not run on XP 64bit or any newer OS 32bit/64bit. I can't see the point of spending $200AUD+ on a new scanner when my XP PC + HP Scanner still work great, I know how the programs work & they do an AWESOME! job.
At least we have a way to access the old software. The bigger problem is when old software is sold exclusively on new platforms. Steam doesn't support XP anymore, but sells games that run better under XP than 10. Like games that use EAX with was depreciated in VIsta. Or how in Quake 3 a 7800 GS from 2006 performs better than a HD 7870 from 2012
@@HappyBeezerStudios Yeah that is why I get games from GOG instead of Steam, I have downloded the offline versions & created my own Library on HDDs so I can play them on either of my W10, W7 or XP PCs
At some point you *have* to drop old operating systems simply because they do not support modern hardware features and would cripple its capabilities and/or performance and building that support into old OSes would take more effort, time and money than creating a whole new release. Well, that basically *is* creating a new release, anyways
The reason why the first P4 never worked for you was because it did not support "Execute Disable Bit" which is necessary to run Windows 10, so the oldest processors that can run windows 10 are: • 3.73GHz Pentium 4 Extreme Edition • All 600-series Pentium 4 • 5xxJ-series Pentium 4 • 3xxJ-series Celeron D
"Can we get on the website, on a Pentium 4... Running... Modern Windows..." Those words were uttered while in total pain. I think the main thing proved here is that modern Windows is a sandbag. If it's this bad with a Pentium 4 that makes you wonder how much performance you'd be losing with a 10900K or similar. Though if you want a real torture test find a laptop with a Pentium III 933 and run Windows 10 on it. It will install. Barely.
that "Why can't it be over...." sounded so genuine and pained that it made me laugh out loud 😭 I too know the struggle as a hardware nerd myself. Great video !!
You'd need atleast a core 2 duo for windows 10 to run decent. But for browsing the modern web on a Pentium 4 and getting some real use out of it, I'd imagine installing a lightweight OS like Linux Mint would be a viable option and installing uBlock Origin and H.264ify browser extensions on the web browser to free up webpage bloat for the P4 to handle well.
Ok, let's comment this crap. 1. It's obviously that Willamette can't run Windows 10 because do not have necessary instructions which were added in LGA775 Prescotts. 2. It is not a fault of 20th year CPU to have a deal with not optimisation shit like Windows 10. Anyway thanks for video and lot of pain 😂
Pentium 4 got s special place in my heart. I used Northwood Celeron 2.0GHz as a start back in early 2003-2004 then moved to Pentium 4 2GHz (can be clocked to 3GHz easy on stock cooler). I still got LGA775 Pentium 4 that used as Windows XP retro gaming PC. It's slower than my other Athlon64 3000+ s939 PC but I liked to alternate between the two.
This was painful to watch because there were SO MANY tweaks you could have done to optimize the system. I use Win10 as a daily driver and at work and I've got those comps running really smooth on relatively mild hardware (though still lightyears ahead of a Pentium 4). Did you even try to turn off unneeded services in msconfig? Turn off startup items? Turn off and remove the live tiles from the start menu? Disable Cortana? Go through all of those settings menus and absolutely disable Win10 automated processes and background crap? Even just uninstall all the Xbox junk and adjust the appearance settings? Did you run a defrag after the OS finished loading? Even an old version of Ccleaner to remove all the registry errors would have smoothed things out
Lmao. I remember doing all this to XP and 7. My XP install was hacked to buggery and barely stable, but it ran fast and did everything I wanted. Stopped being reliably usable after trying to get DX10 running and succeeding through pure ignorance and brute force. I hacked a lot of vista in to it. I didn't (and still don't) fully understand what I did. XP crashed every time when loading large folders full of thumbnails from this point onwards. I used it for over a year like that. I wish I still had that install, I'd upload it for people to enjoy and laugh at, but that HDD is long dead. I had to navigate folders quickly through the keyboard before the thumbnails loaded (which took a long time, lmao). Open folder hit "G" three times and press enter. In to the folder before explorer.exe crashes.
growing up i remember i had a pentium 4 machine with 1.6ghz and 2gb of ram and 258mb gpu, it ran Doom/quake 1/quake 2 / quake 3 arena and unreal 98 / unreal tournament 1999 fine, i also used to play alot of postal 2 share the pain deathmatch on a server called "TurtleFuckerZ", eventually we upgraded to a 3.8ghz pentium 4 and 4gb ram and a 1gb card wich i dont remember.
No they were not 'beasts' Fast enough for the day sure. I had a 478 and 775 P4 and they were just about OK,but mostly shite. At the time the Athlon tore it a new asshole. Ever seen Athlon XP 6000+ ? Look up why they were numbered like that.
@@chloeprice8 There was a guy i knew breifly,who asked a PC shop to build him a PC. They built him a Vista pc,with 1GB ddr2 and a P4/HT. It was absolutely awful. At the time i had a Core2Duo @3.8ghz with 4GB xms2 ram clocked @ 900mhz,and a HD4870. He could not beleive how fast my pc was,and how amazing the gfx were. He was not a happy chappie to say the least lol. I think i was running Windows 7 at the time,it might've been XP SP3 i can't quite remember.
Please try to use 32 bit windows 8.1 WITHOUT any updates and install supermium on it. Also visual c++ is required to get steam running if you decide to do so. Remember to turn off windows update, windows defender and you'll have 3x better experience than this
If PC doesnt support usb boot (or even from optical) all you need is an boot manager like PLOP-bootmanager. You can have the bootmanager in any removable, or even from HDD. After you boot the bootmanager, just select usb and it goes from there normally. I did install W7 on slot A athlon 550mhz like this, from USB! Also worked great on old oem mini-laptop that only had hdd boot support.. installed the plot to the hdd from windows, and from there managed to reinstall windows
W8 and newer like w10 and w11, you really dont want to plug them to internet on older systems without disabling updates and telemetry first.. especially with fast modern internet where the internet is literally faster than the transfer speeds of the old IDE drives, it will literally forcefeed your pc with data and everything will grind to a halt. I had pentium4 running spotify in my workshop.. with 600M internet the cpu would jump 100% for a second as the machine buffered the next part of data.. had to limit the network card to 10M for it to work smoother (it would lag the music whenever it buffered with faster speeds)
8:19 That's on the replicator, QA seems non existent, most are based in Singapore and the Far East. I know all of this as I worked for a software company between 2005-2008, we did a lot in retail and we had a lot returned in the same condition back to the warehouse with similar defects.
See? It's never as bad as you were afraid of! :p Seeing W10 in operation reminds me of my i7 4710HQ when it overheats and slows down to under 800Mhz. Painful. I have to say I was expecting worse. Bravo to the P4. Also, great video and well done for making through it.
But you'd have to use ISO version before the latest as it checks processor for more codes (SSE 4.2) And Athlon 64 can't do it, but AM2 can (which is 1 to 4 cores best being the OG Phenom x4)
This is the ultimate defintion of "madness" ;-) Really impressed with the effort. Seriously curious about the actual time spent on the project if it can be shared?
The last time i dailyied a Pentium 4 was the 3ghz LGA775 Pentium 4 with Hyperthreading, along with 4gb of ram, a 500gb HDD and a GeForce 250 GTS with 512mb vRam... in early 2016 running Windows 7 32 bit but i also ran things like Fallout New Vegas (with the ram mod) and OG Skyrim (with texture mods it played quite decently), and it served me well til i wanted to play Fallout 4, til my nephew gave me a little 'not powering on' SFF eMachine with an Athlon II X2 220, then i scrounged up 4gb DDR3 and 2 gb 630 GT (DDR3 model) and i overclocked it all; the CPU was AM2+ and used an onboard nVidia chipset, so there was software that could let you do things like increase multipliers, PCI-E 16x speed, ram timing etc and was official software (Nvidia System Tools). Windows 7 64 bit went on that PC and then running Fallout 4 (with mods like Wastelander 512 Textures) then later on i got 8gb of DDR3, an XFX Radeon 6870 2gb and an Athlon ii X3 460 i got up to 3.7ghz. The Pentium 4 ended up getting my old GeForce 7600 gs with 256mb vRam, and kept its ram and HDD but was delegated to the bedroom, hooked to my 27" Toshiba CRT TV via S-Video and a wireless mouse as an HTPC running Elementary OS Linux, and it went on like that til cap death took the board out of it. Those old LGA775 Pentium 4 rigs can still make good servers paired with the right config and stuffed in a closet headless. the only thing that makes them impractical for servers is the fact that a ten year old laptop can usually burn less power and do more as a server
You should've tried turning off the Spectre/Meltdown vulnerability patch that it's included as microcode in Windows, probably would gave some performance boost to older CPUs, you can turn it off by basically modifying the user previlage of the .dll file inside the System32 folder
Still got a 2.4GHz Northwood P4 knocking about somewhere in a little cpu box. Used to overclock it to 3GHz. The 'Presscott' P4's that followed extended the pipeline and so had to add another 512k of cache just to keep up with the Northwoods. We used to called them 'Press hots' for a laugh due to the extra heat they produced over the Northwoods.
I picked up a Dell Optiplex (model ?) It had an Amd Athlon single core cpu, ddr2 memory, NForce 4 mobo. Horizontal setup, school pc. I had an Amd (am2) dual core on hand and it worked. I put 4gb ddr2 memory in it, then a GeForce 9800 gt 512mb. It was great with Windows XP. But I ran into the problem with Steam, not supporting XP OS's. I had to update the bios, scary, but successful. It was hard to get whql drivers for hardware this old, but I found them. I never had any problems with it. There nothing I couldn't play. Up to Modern Warfare 2, Assassin's Creed 2 etc. The only problem was, I couldn't put the side panel on. It required a low-profile gpu.
I’ve actually done something similar with a Northwood Pentium 4! It’s actually kinda usable with Firefox 52ESR under both windows 2000 and windows XP, and UA-cam is actually able to play back videos at around 480p in full screen!
I think i will stick to XP/7 for my 1.9ghz socket 423 machine. (i say 7 but the CPU was pegged to 100% usage at the desktop. It runs windows 2000 like a dream though)
I still buy discs to this day, and I've not come across anything like this. Though I get Verbatim discs from Microcenter. I did find a 10 pack of the Verbatim Record design at Walmart, and nothing was wrong with the whole pack.
This garbage-diving for old PC resurection reminds me of our first family computer, around 2003. Kids and parents all contributed for a "powerful" ( back then it was near the top of what you could buy ) ~$2000 desktop and screen, which equates to $3415 in 2024. To be fair it lasted a very, very long time and the replacement we bought a bit over 10 years later for less than half the price was so much more powerful it's difficult to make a comparaison. Crazy to think a $700 laptop with integrated graphics now plays games I couldn't dream about in 2003. Or 2013.
These type of insanity odysseys is why I love PC gaming so much, spending hours bashing your head against the wall until you finally get everything to work, it is a pain, but in the end you feel so rewarded 😆
also, I think the problem here was all that dust around the socket at 10:02 I had a P4 that also would stop working for no reason until I took everything apart and cleaned all the components around the socket. I think the dust just shorts the motherboard trails if too much dust gathers.
"It's been undercover" Sheesh...is that an OG Williamette!? RIP Is that DDR1 Asus board a P4PE2-X? I got my first PC with that motherboard, a 2.8 GHz Preshott and a GeForce4 card. What times that was, the CPU once swapped out to a Northwood and overclocked. Glad we never touched the GeForce FX cards! Next time, get a late model P4 and a Core2 era board. Imagine if Tejas actually made it out. Perhaps a good follow up on this video would be something on the Pentium M, the alternative project that later evolved into the Core series processors. Better not use a laptop for that...
As someone who has three P4 systems at home, I really ought to test the out ASAP. I'm gonna order a 120 GB sata SSD and a Sata->IDe converter, just in case. Also... during the first build Win10 install attempt, I could help but think that Budget should have tried to install Win7, then update to Win8, then to Win10. Really makes you realize how taxing even web-pages have become now-a-days. Where's the optimization?
The suffering in your voice echo what it is like to deal with these on a near daily basis for tech support. Also, not sure if Pentium 4 cpu fan or a 747 max is parked in your living room with engines on XD
Oh wow... I saw that you really struggled with that one! Personally, I'd reassemble the one Pentium 4 system that still works, and get a more authentic OS put back on it, that works properly - such as XP SP3. Then dedicate it to legacy gaming, which it would probably be good at. Also, don't store electronics in a shed! Your loft would have been better than the shed.
Most ironic thing is the Pentium 4 was in my mother’s first computer. She wasn’t a gamer, so a basic system was all she ever needed. Her last computer she had before she passed away was an Acer all in one with a Celeron N3350. It had, and still has Windows 8.1. My first PC had an FX-4300. It was quickly replaced with an Intel 1150 motherboard and i5 4570, which paired much better with the GTX 1050 I had.
Throw a windows server vm on your main pc, install WDS and try doing PXE installs. Found it much more stable than USB installs and much faster than DVD installs on old systems. Its easy to slipstream drivers too - my server has SDItools 40gb library
Even this doesn't compare to a relative's Server Tower I has to troubleshoot. No video, super long boot, no booting to Windows. It was 'solved' by removing battery, turning on until sound, turning off, adding battery and 2 RAM modules (of 4), turning on, resetting (wannabe) UEFI/setting boot to Secure Boot, saving, turning off, adding 2 other RAM modules, turning on, booting to Windows. HP/Dell Servers are trash. ECC still takes to long to boot. Regarding Pentium 4: it's single-core only. You cannot multitask! Even on XP, it was super-slow, last time I tried.
I wish you tried old Linux distros, like Ubuntu or Debian also from the same era and then a modern one. These old rigs can still work decently with Linux distros.
I've found that most of the time, a P.O.S.T. or Power On Self-Test failure is usually caused by some kind of hardware issue, like Ram sticks not being properly seated in their sockets, or a bad contact on one of the PCI cards due to them not being seated in their sockets properly, sometimes it is because the BIOS has gotten a bit flaky too, this can usually be fixed by doing a BIOS reset by taking out the round silver BIOS battery, and then bridging the Clear CMOS pins on the motherboard for about 10 to 20 seconds with the power turned off, after that, you un-bridge the Clear CMOS and then plug the silver BIOS battery back in its socket, plug all the cards and etc back into the sockets on the motherboard and try booting the computer again, you might need to try that a few times before you get a successful boot, some computer motherboards do tend to have a "sticky" BIOS.
Whats your opinon of the 3rd gen i7 3770? I had one running call of duty black ops cold war and it honestly shocked me how well it handled it! Feels like peak intel to be honest.
Oh man, you haven't lived until you've fought a Pentium 4 or Pentium 3 system. If nothing else, it'll give you perspective on how nice modern systems are to work with. LOL! I grew up tinkering with 386, all the way up to Pentium 4 systems. They really helped me develop a health amount of patience.
@@GodSaveTheUnitedStatessame here, I've still got a pentium d in the loft 😂 having just looked it up again, specs say its a dual core but i think i remember mine being a single core so it might be a celeron d
My computer back in 2009 was powered by Northwood Pentium 4 2.4GHz (thankfully not Willamette!), at that time running Windows XP was rather solid, but not stellar. 5 years later and the P4 is slightly downgraded to 2.0GHz one… then in 2019, got another pc (Compaq dc7600) with pentium D 945 3.4Ghz. Run atrociously slow with Windows 7 onboard, so crap I've ended using my smartphone too often (and bought ThinkPad x200t as alternative PC)
Honestly they were pretty good on Win98, ME, 2000 and XP systems. But anything beyond that like Vista? Forget about it. Vista and beyond really want those Core 2 Duos
Oh , it's venerable Willamette P4 , that explains why no usb 2.0 as my old Northwood board from 2002 (I-845E chipset and S478) had 2.0 which was very good at the time , but it still felt slow if a large file had to be copied and large means for early 2000s , not newer ones. But , for everything else that didn't included file transfer , usb was and still is - god send. One connector for everything.
I came across one of these while working at an ewaste refurbishing/recycling place. I took it out of the pc i found it in and put it on my desk as i had wanted to take it home but someone must have thought i just hadnt put it in the cpu bin yet and chucked it.
Have an AMD C60 and an old Celeron running Win 10; but I think the usable limit is a Core 2 Duo. As you found paint dries faster than the load times you are seeing!
Generally its best to use mass grave devs scripts to install the IOT LTSC branch of windows 10, then use maybe autostart thing to skip the start screen entirely (I think rufus has an option for this), maybe blackvipers configuration script, superfetch service disable, setting the task scheduler to favor background programs with about 12gb 'paging file', maybe avoid using edge in favor of ungoogled-chromium with adnauseum, possibly any overclocking tool, maybe editing the power settings to set the cpus's minimum state to 95? I've ran the latest windows 10 IOT LTSC version on a singlecore atom, it was never as bad as a user experience as this.
As a currys employee, I can tell you that stock just comes in on large pallets, cellophane wrapped so for the disks to be like that means they came to us from HP like that. In regards to the order, If you ordered a 10 disk pack online then they likely scanned the 10 disk pack and then gave you the wrong one as you can't "fullfill" an order without scanning in the correct barcode so either the website was wrong and the item was right based on what was ordered, you ordered a 50 pack without realising and assumed it was 10 pack or they scanned a 10 pack and made the mistake of giving you a 50 pack which seems like a wild mistake given how the system works.
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial ah, so realistically then, they would have picked up the 50n and the 10, scanned the 10 to fulfil the order and then just said fuck it and gave you the 50 lol
Would you consider doing a video on AMD’s equivalent failure - Bulldozer/Piledriver? Like the P4, this also has a long pipeline which limited its performance. I still use one as my primary gaming PC, but I think I’m rapidly approaching its limits 😢
I ran Windows 10 on a Pentium 4 about 6 years ago and it was a similar experience to this lol, the saving grace of it was that it was a P4 with hyper-threading but even then it was horrific compared to a cheap C2D
12:42 if you think that's bad, I had a Windows and Linux dual-boot and my bootloader got overwritten, and the only thing I had to reinstall an OS was Windows 10 on an SD card. I can't even remember why. But that took a good few hours to install, and it was successful.. somehow
the beeping was from the POST, it will beep 4 times, one or more will be short, and this short beep will indicate a faulty memory stick/slot, after beeping 4 times, it will repeat, if 4 long then no memory is detected
Athon 64 spanked the P4. I had a Northwood 2Ghz back in the day, lovely Dell workstation machine that churned out Quake III OSP at over 160fps with a Geforce 4 Ti until I finally retired the machine for an Athlon 64. I messed around with a Prescot a few years back through, and it overclocked nicely to 3.6Ghz (on a decent modified cooler) and was impressive enough for period correct games (alongside an X1950 Pro AGP).
I recently get P4 651 3.4ghz cedar mill(65nm) and i tested it on windows 7 and GTX 770 and 8GB DDR2 1066mhz ram. The thing is new GPU drivers have big CPU overhead and 1core cpus suffer badly from it. Performance was absolutely trash even after OC it to 4.6ghz. Far lower than it should be. Best way to use P4 is probably with 8800GTX. Everything newer will cause huge CPU overhead. Examle:Doom3 timedemo only 55fps average(should be in 75+fps) fear1 benchmark 59fps average(should be 100+ easy)
Nice Video as per usual Squire, At 7:57 you show a Blank HP DVD with a manufacturing defect, A Friend of mine bought the latest version of Microsoft’s Flight Sim on DVD & most of the Disks had manufacturing defects and we had a right game (No pun intended) installing the Sim on his PC, We contacted the Supplier who stated that: “It’s the way the DVD’s are manufactured” or something like that & I think it’s ludicrous that Companies can get away with such shoddy manufacturing processes in this day and age, I think they offered my Mate a small partial refund in the end, Barmey, I always try & keep a reasonable supply of Blu-Ray, DVD & CD Disks to hand in case I need them for whatever reason, Anthony - Birmingham.
it is not possible to run windows 8, windows 10 and windows 11 in first and second generation pentium 4 systems, or rather 180nm and 130nm builds. because they are not equipped with the Nx-bit instruction set that Windows needs to be able to install and run. At least, you need a third generation Pentium4 (90nm) with a note, it uses Nx-bit or xD-bit,, which is marked with the letter J behind the series, or a series with the number 1 or 6 at the end. For example: Pentium 4 HT 560J, Pentium 4 HT 531, Celeron D 336. or using the Pentium 4 600 series, where all of these series support 64-bit, as well as xD-bit instruction sets. On the other hand, the xD-bit feature is always found on socket 775. and I myself have never found it on socket 478. So with socket 423?? There really is no way for the xD-bit feature, which Windows 8, 10, and 11 won't work on.
Those are the duel use dvd-r not be be confused with duel layered. The duel use ones are for coasters and bird scarers and I've also known them to be used as frisbees.
I once glued the cooler to the CPU using "thermal paste", but was instead some kind of thermal glue that you use to glue heat-sinks. Motherboard pins completely destroyed, straight to the trash ...
I think the results wasnt a big surprise for us. Windows 10 can be slow to run even on Core 2 Duo based systems so Pentium 4 would be surely as slow as we saw on the video. I will surely continue Windows 7 usage with much better CPU (Core 2 Duo T9300 @ 2,5Ghz).
The poor thing was retired, half asleep on a bench feeding the ducks and you made it run the w10 marathon 😂😂😂
So he was testing Joe Biden?
He's not the only one, Intel ended production in 2007 but kept shipping orders well into 2008. Considering it takes a couple months to fabricate a CPU that means Intel "retired" the P4 and brought it back just to be abused and overworked several times over. (worked at Fab14 briefly, long enough to be told exactly how I borked my part with three wafers but got all 9 others almost perfect).
That processor is now qualified to be President of the United States
@@HaonProductions More qualified than the current President for sure
@@bibasik7 and the previous, which is now officially the oldest presumptive candidate in history
10:39
Remember folks, switching to your secondary Pentium 4 system is faster than trying to find out what tf went wrong with the primary one.
This meme aged so well
Such an awesome comment
I worked on the team at Intel that delivered the desktop BIOS for the P4 processor. I did validation testing for various OEM partners like Dell, HP, and Compaq. I miss those days!
Thank you for your contribution to modern PC technology! Sincerely.
Oh, so you're the one that supplied the crappy bios with practically no options! J/K of course, I had a P4 2.53, can't remember the board name but it had 1GB of RDRam. Intel Mobo.
i love it when a pc takes 3-5 business days to open a blank notepad document
Don't want to make the 📮Postal Service obsolete 😂
LMAO
I graduated high school in 1995 & was very much a PC nerd in the 90s. I graduated May 28, 1995 & started working full time building PCs for a library automation company on August 15, 1995. By 1999, I was the head of IT for the mortgage division of a large bank. In 2001 I left there & took a Network Engineer position for a huge insurance company until 2008. I miss this crap so much, because I remember many days like this video! There was a lot of colorful languages followed by "why are you working! There is zero reason you shouldn't be working!" Then stuff would just start working for absolutely no reason. I can't tell you how many times I've ripped parts out & thrown them over my shoulder & putting a new one in. This may sound sick, but I actually enjoyed that time in my life, it actually brings tears to my eyes thinking about how much I miss it. 95-2005 was a very special time that we'll never see again.
shouldn't this be mostly redacted 😂
@@AlexDaDermahurr I control what's redacted...
Yep those were the DAYS !!!...I miss the computer repair shops and retail computer stores like COMPUSA.And now they are non-existant.
Every budget will have it's build
Agreed. I’ve only retired machines because they’ve become useless for my needs, not from pure consumerism.
Right now I have two retired-but-functional machines - a Gigabyte Brix with an a8-5557m, retired from lack of Vulkan, and a Dell Venue 8 Pro tablet retired because of Windows 10 and the Internet getting too heavy for video streaming on the poor Atom 4-core.
Every build will have it's budget
Every build will go over budget
That build ain’t much of a build💀💀💀
@@TheRandomRepairGuy well, the budget wasnt much of a budget lol
You've convinced me, I'll be building a windows 11 pentium 4 PC!
Update: House fire :(
Update 2: I figured out the issue, My GPU was lacking, lucky me I have this old Thermi card around!
Update: House fire :(
Still more stable than 13000/14000 😂
@@shaneeslick why are you throwing shade?
@@doglol926 Google: Intel 13th and 14th gen failures.
@@doglol926because the 13k and 14k series have stability issues
This fire is still cooler than FX9590
Well, at least the Pentium 4 didn't quite literally kill itself... Unlike modern 13th and 14th Gens... That's worth a point or two for good old Netburst, right?
Atleast netburst did not burst itself into oblivion
It wasn't the best Cpu and it ran hot but at least it ran. Honestly if they were 64-bit I could still see some people running Linux on them. But as it stands they are amazing for retro Win98 and XP stuff.
@@bulutcagdas1071 when the p4 popped up I went later to AMD than core to duo intel + later a used core to quad than AMD again and now again intel 😅
@@bulutcagdas1071 Later P4s did have 64 bit support, dunno how crippled the support is but it is there...
@@ruikazane5123 I think they need to be on LGA-775 or later. I think they have an F in the name, and sometimes called 'Prescott'. Even those aren't great in 64-bit, but it CAN do it. You might have some application incompatibilities due to missing instruction sets though.
The thing with the NX bit removal is while you can remove the NX bit requirement check on Windows 10, it won’t help since the OS actively uses it. So it will crash and be unstable. That is normal.
Ah. Yeah. That's the one. NX bit.
You can however patch Windows 8.1 successfully since the OS doesn’t use it actively
And next year we can look at the Pentium fi- wait... darn.
Maybe next time? No? Aww shuck
Actually there is a video on the Pentium 5, but it doesn't work..... So yeah.....
The five is for the amount of coolers you would need to cool it off
@@amadeusagripino6862 Thermonuclear cooling, oh yea baby!
@@amadeusagripino6862 well yes, because it was intended to run at frequencies between 5.0GHz and 7.0GHz. The closest thing that we have to the Pentium 5 is the Pentium 4 overclocking, in fact there is a whole video of a guy trying to get the Pentium 4 to run at 5GHz.
I had a pentium 4 and it had XP on it. It constantly ran so hot it hit the thermal limit and just shutdown so many times (and this was with huge heat sink, exhaust fans, intake fans... the works). Damn thing was literally a space heater. It lasted a year before it toasted itself and I got a laptop with a Core 2 Duo. It was so much more powerful than the P4 and never hit the thermal limit during its lifespan.
Funnily enough my Coppermine Pentium 3 system decided to stop booting as well at the start of this month. No leaks, nothing, worked the night prior perfectly fine.
Replace the caps and the psu. Just because you don't see leaks or bulging doesn't mean the caps are still good.
I've lost two Socket 370 motherboards in a month. I wonder, if their EEROMs have corrupted themselves after ~25 years of storing the information. Now I'm updating BIOSes on all of my machines.
@@olexanderkidenko4423 just reflash em with backups
😔🖥F
such a powerful system
You took away the PC's pet spider! How could you? :(
I remember these times when I was a kid. First time I played Doom 3 on a P4 computer in an internet cafe. At that time, I could only dream of owning a PC. It was a demo version that could only be launched through the console. The level available to play was very intense and scary. I was extremely impressed by the graphics and the power of the P4. Now, thankfully, I can buy any PC equipment I want
The troubleshooting segment at the start with the long beeping was comedy gold. Great to see you back making videos again, love your content!
Only LGA 775 Pentium 4s can run Windows 10, thats because of the NX bit requirement.
Its IMPOSSIBLE to run Windows 10 with Socket 478 and 423 CPUs.
ive wanted to see such a coment same thing I have thought so I knew where this was going with such an old system :D anyway nice vid in my job I did we once had those old servers simmilarly old to this pc and we had the same issues when wanting to run anything newer windows server than Server 2008
Im pretty sure theres patches out there to allow nx stuff to be bypassed. Its been a while though, so my memory is fuzzy
And then again, if you’re on 775 may as well go core 2 quad or duo
5:10 He mentions it.
There are a couple oddball P4s on socket 478 which actually support EM64T: SL7QB and SL7Q8. No NX bit on either though.
Test their competitor from AMD now . Athlons XP without sse2 are more painfull experience
I don’t even think that could be possible
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial with win 7 special versions of browsers and enough amount of ram and patience i think it could be actually possible
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial I've tried it with WinXP SP3 and MyPal 68.13.8b browser that is backported to run on non-sse2 processors. It was painful, but I was able to access one of the many ChatGTP-like AIs on a shady looking site, and talk to it. Also tried a dual-cpu Pentium III server, and it is somewhat usable too.
My Athlon XP builds are all on 98, nice and easy. The P4 is on Windows 10, since it's a Dell, and deserves the abuse.
@@drewnewby Yeah, they're pretty great for some 98/XP retro action.
But not for modern networking systems.
Pentium 4 trying to run Windows10: "my entire existence is pain"
I would stick to XP on that relic😏
"Why I am still here? Just to suffer."
*Loud beep* Spider is fleeing lol
"I think the spider might've been structurally integral to the computer" oh I can already tell this is gonna be a good one
In Australia they are integral
@@KiLDELTA other places have computers based on x86 or on Arm or on 68k or on PPC, but down under they developed the spider architecture.
Crazy that Windows 10 uses more resources than these older games. It's sad that Windows abandon support for their "old" versions making old hardware unusable. Windows XP and 7 are still the best.
G'day @6Twisted, I still use an XP PC for Analogue to Digital Conversion & Retro Gaming, the games I play are either original disc versions or GOG DRM Free versions.
For A-D I do Records, Cassettes & VHS with RCA-USB Converter. For photos I do 35mm + Slides with my HP Scanner which is the reason I still run XP Home as the program will not run on XP 64bit or any newer OS 32bit/64bit.
I can't see the point of spending $200AUD+ on a new scanner when my XP PC + HP Scanner still work great, I know how the programs work & they do an AWESOME! job.
i think Microsoft made a cartel with the hardware companies how else do you explain this
At least we have a way to access the old software. The bigger problem is when old software is sold exclusively on new platforms. Steam doesn't support XP anymore, but sells games that run better under XP than 10. Like games that use EAX with was depreciated in VIsta. Or how in Quake 3 a 7800 GS from 2006 performs better than a HD 7870 from 2012
@@HappyBeezerStudios Yeah that is why I get games from GOG instead of Steam, I have downloded the offline versions & created my own Library on HDDs so I can play them on either of my W10, W7 or XP PCs
At some point you *have* to drop old operating systems simply because they do not support modern hardware features and would cripple its capabilities and/or performance and building that support into old OSes would take more effort, time and money than creating a whole new release. Well, that basically *is* creating a new release, anyways
The reason why the first P4 never worked for you was because it did not support "Execute Disable Bit" which is necessary to run Windows 10, so the oldest processors that can run windows 10 are:
• 3.73GHz Pentium 4 Extreme Edition
• All 600-series Pentium 4
• 5xxJ-series Pentium 4
• 3xxJ-series Celeron D
Oh my, the delidding was an amazing surprise hahaha
That troubleshooting segment sums up my PC experience. Especial 2:39
10:20 I recognise that paint splatter, that’s the £1 PC board.
Good spot
"Can we get on the website, on a Pentium 4... Running... Modern Windows..." Those words were uttered while in total pain.
I think the main thing proved here is that modern Windows is a sandbag. If it's this bad with a Pentium 4 that makes you wonder how much performance you'd be losing with a 10900K or similar.
Though if you want a real torture test find a laptop with a Pentium III 933 and run Windows 10 on it. It will install. Barely.
This is absolutely miserable, it’s almost impressive. I feel bad for both the poor little CPU and your sanity for actually doing this.
that "Why can't it be over...." sounded so genuine and pained that it made me laugh out loud 😭
I too know the struggle as a hardware nerd myself. Great video !!
You'd need atleast a core 2 duo for windows 10 to run decent. But for browsing the modern web on a Pentium 4 and getting some real use out of it, I'd imagine installing a lightweight OS like Linux Mint would be a viable option and installing uBlock Origin and H.264ify browser extensions on the web browser to free up webpage bloat for the P4 to handle well.
Ok, let's comment this crap.
1. It's obviously that Willamette can't run Windows 10 because do not have necessary instructions which were added in LGA775 Prescotts.
2. It is not a fault of 20th year CPU to have a deal with not optimisation shit like Windows 10.
Anyway thanks for video and lot of pain 😂
@@DaiAtlus79 , Windows 10 also need Nx bit that Intel introduce at Pentium 4 at 775 socket. Not all models get it. But latest version does.
From that era, starting with Opteron(Venus) and Athlon 64 (Newcastle) includes NX bit
the Pentium 4 can run anything in theory because its Turing complete
@@belstar1128 , Hello. Please explain , what you mean about "Turing complete" . Turing -2xxx series of NVIDIA ?
@@ApostolCV its a concept made up by Alan Turing in 1936
Pentium 4 got s special place in my heart. I used Northwood Celeron 2.0GHz as a start back in early 2003-2004 then moved to Pentium 4 2GHz (can be clocked to 3GHz easy on stock cooler). I still got LGA775 Pentium 4 that used as Windows XP retro gaming PC. It's slower than my other Athlon64 3000+ s939 PC but I liked to alternate between the two.
lol this vid's title should be "BBO Lose his Sanity over the Pentium 4 in 27 Minutes"
This was painful to watch because there were SO MANY tweaks you could have done to optimize the system. I use Win10 as a daily driver and at work and I've got those comps running really smooth on relatively mild hardware (though still lightyears ahead of a Pentium 4). Did you even try to turn off unneeded services in msconfig? Turn off startup items? Turn off and remove the live tiles from the start menu? Disable Cortana? Go through all of those settings menus and absolutely disable Win10 automated processes and background crap? Even just uninstall all the Xbox junk and adjust the appearance settings? Did you run a defrag after the OS finished loading? Even an old version of Ccleaner to remove all the registry errors would have smoothed things out
Lmao. I remember doing all this to XP and 7. My XP install was hacked to buggery and barely stable, but it ran fast and did everything I wanted. Stopped being reliably usable after trying to get DX10 running and succeeding through pure ignorance and brute force. I hacked a lot of vista in to it. I didn't (and still don't) fully understand what I did. XP crashed every time when loading large folders full of thumbnails from this point onwards. I used it for over a year like that. I wish I still had that install, I'd upload it for people to enjoy and laugh at, but that HDD is long dead. I had to navigate folders quickly through the keyboard before the thumbnails loaded (which took a long time, lmao). Open folder hit "G" three times and press enter. In to the folder before explorer.exe crashes.
I only fairly recently got into using Linux over Windows. It would be fun to get my hands on a build like this to see what Linux runs like.
growing up i remember i had a pentium 4 machine with 1.6ghz and 2gb of ram and 258mb gpu, it ran Doom/quake 1/quake 2 / quake 3 arena and unreal 98 / unreal tournament 1999 fine, i also used to play alot of postal 2 share the pain deathmatch on a server called "TurtleFuckerZ", eventually we upgraded to a 3.8ghz pentium 4 and 4gb ram and a 1gb card wich i dont remember.
Buy Verbatim discs, theyre probably the only brand new discs that are still very reliable to burn with
Totally agreed !
Pentium 4 is a beast, I had a desktop with Windows Vista and a P4 HT when I was young.
No they were not 'beasts' Fast enough for the day sure. I had a 478 and 775 P4 and they were just about OK,but mostly shite. At the time the Athlon tore it a new asshole. Ever seen Athlon XP 6000+ ? Look up why they were numbered like that.
Yes they where, he is right and you are wrong! 😁
wow. vista on a p4? you really hated your self didn't you?
@@chloeprice8 There was a guy i knew breifly,who asked a PC shop to build him a PC. They built him a Vista pc,with 1GB ddr2 and a P4/HT. It was absolutely awful. At the time i had a Core2Duo @3.8ghz with 4GB xms2 ram clocked @ 900mhz,and a HD4870. He could not beleive how fast my pc was,and how amazing the gfx were. He was not a happy chappie to say the least lol. I think i was running Windows 7 at the time,it might've been XP SP3 i can't quite remember.
@@chloeprice8yes I had both windows 7 and vista on a pentium 4 ht. Both were smooth
With so much things gone wrong, this felt more like a MJD video
Please try to use 32 bit windows 8.1 WITHOUT any updates and install supermium on it. Also visual c++ is required to get steam running if you decide to do so. Remember to turn off windows update, windows defender and you'll have 3x better experience than this
I don’t think he will do windows 8.1. Its hated by everyone and I don’t think he wants a super slow experience with windows 8 ui
@@famousfighter2310 windows 8's ui was super fast even on low end hardware, besides, just don't use metro and it is windows 7
@@Jaguarek62 I forgot about that it was fast on weak hardware. I wish I could still use windows 8.1
If PC doesnt support usb boot (or even from optical) all you need is an boot manager like PLOP-bootmanager.
You can have the bootmanager in any removable, or even from HDD.
After you boot the bootmanager, just select usb and it goes from there normally.
I did install W7 on slot A athlon 550mhz like this, from USB!
Also worked great on old oem mini-laptop that only had hdd boot support.. installed the plot to the hdd from windows, and from there managed to reinstall windows
W8 and newer like w10 and w11, you really dont want to plug them to internet on older systems without disabling updates and telemetry first.. especially with fast modern internet where the internet is literally faster than the transfer speeds of the old IDE drives, it will literally forcefeed your pc with data and everything will grind to a halt.
I had pentium4 running spotify in my workshop.. with 600M internet the cpu would jump 100% for a second as the machine buffered the next part of data.. had to limit the network card to 10M for it to work smoother (it would lag the music whenever it buffered with faster speeds)
Any plans on doing a video on the Matrox Luma series at some point? I'd love to see Matrox's driver magic in action on ARC
There are plans in the works 😎
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial hell yeah!
8:19 That's on the replicator, QA seems non existent, most are based in Singapore and the Far East.
I know all of this as I worked for a software company between 2005-2008, we did a lot in retail and we had a lot returned in the same condition back to the warehouse with similar defects.
Im so glad to see budget builds uploading regularly! Really missed ya!
See? It's never as bad as you were afraid of! :p
Seeing W10 in operation reminds me of my i7 4710HQ when it overheats and slows down to under 800Mhz. Painful.
I have to say I was expecting worse. Bravo to the P4.
Also, great video and well done for making through it.
My cat loved the P4, he blocked the exhaust on the top of the computer... I hated it, sooo Hot!
Loaf heater
he'd REALLY love the modern high end hardware then, its even better space heater!
@@patg108 After the P4 i got a server processor. And the cat found other places to sit/sleep om
As of today i still use a Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5690 Works fine.
But you'd have to use ISO version before the latest as it checks processor for more codes (SSE 4.2)
And Athlon 64 can't do it, but AM2 can (which is 1 to 4 cores best being the OG Phenom x4)
i remember upgrading from a 700 mhz p3 to one of these and being so excited to see something over 1 ghz for the first time.
This is the ultimate defintion of "madness" ;-) Really impressed with the effort. Seriously curious about the actual time spent on the project if it can be shared?
From the start of testing through till the end I’d say just shy of 30 hours 👍
this is first time i watched a buget-builds video under 30mins.🛩🛩🛩!
The last time i dailyied a Pentium 4 was the 3ghz LGA775 Pentium 4 with Hyperthreading, along with 4gb of ram, a 500gb HDD and a GeForce 250 GTS with 512mb vRam... in early 2016 running Windows 7 32 bit but i also ran things like Fallout New Vegas (with the ram mod) and OG Skyrim (with texture mods it played quite decently), and it served me well til i wanted to play Fallout 4, til my nephew gave me a little 'not powering on' SFF eMachine with an Athlon II X2 220, then i scrounged up 4gb DDR3 and 2 gb 630 GT (DDR3 model) and i overclocked it all; the CPU was AM2+ and used an onboard nVidia chipset, so there was software that could let you do things like increase multipliers, PCI-E 16x speed, ram timing etc and was official software (Nvidia System Tools). Windows 7 64 bit went on that PC and then running Fallout 4 (with mods like Wastelander 512 Textures) then later on i got 8gb of DDR3, an XFX Radeon 6870 2gb and an Athlon ii X3 460 i got up to 3.7ghz. The Pentium 4 ended up getting my old GeForce 7600 gs with 256mb vRam, and kept its ram and HDD but was delegated to the bedroom, hooked to my 27" Toshiba CRT TV via S-Video and a wireless mouse as an HTPC running Elementary OS Linux, and it went on like that til cap death took the board out of it. Those old LGA775 Pentium 4 rigs can still make good servers paired with the right config and stuffed in a closet headless. the only thing that makes them impractical for servers is the fact that a ten year old laptop can usually burn less power and do more as a server
As an pentium 4 user,i can confirm that
I must say, the quality of these videos have sky-rocketed. I'm really liking the direction this channel is going.
I made a core2duo e4600 run windows 11 in one of my latest videos too. Keep it up, love your content!
You should've tried turning off the Spectre/Meltdown vulnerability patch that it's included as microcode in Windows, probably would gave some performance boost to older CPUs, you can turn it off by basically modifying the user previlage of the .dll file inside the System32 folder
12:55 That was bug from the build 10240 until 1607 anniversary
This bug was fixed in 1703 I guess but it's heavier.
Still got a 2.4GHz Northwood P4 knocking about somewhere in a little cpu box. Used to overclock it to 3GHz. The 'Presscott' P4's that followed extended the pipeline and so had to add another 512k of cache just to keep up with the Northwoods. We used to called them 'Press hots' for a laugh due to the extra heat they produced over the Northwoods.
I had one in a Dell prebuilt in 2006, 3.0ghz similar to the Compaq that was on the channel a few weeks back.
I picked up a Dell Optiplex (model ?) It had an Amd Athlon single core cpu, ddr2 memory, NForce 4 mobo. Horizontal setup, school pc. I had an Amd (am2) dual core on hand and it worked. I put 4gb ddr2 memory in it, then a GeForce 9800 gt 512mb. It was great with Windows XP. But I ran into the problem with Steam, not supporting XP OS's. I had to update the bios, scary, but successful. It was hard to get whql drivers for hardware this old, but I found them. I never had any problems with it. There nothing I couldn't play. Up to Modern Warfare 2, Assassin's Creed 2 etc. The only problem was, I couldn't put the side panel on. It required a low-profile gpu.
I’ve actually done something similar with a Northwood Pentium 4! It’s actually kinda usable with Firefox 52ESR under both windows 2000 and windows XP, and UA-cam is actually able to play back videos at around 480p in full screen!
I think i will stick to XP/7 for my 1.9ghz socket 423 machine. (i say 7 but the CPU was pegged to 100% usage at the desktop. It runs windows 2000 like a dream though)
I still buy discs to this day, and I've not come across anything like this. Though I get Verbatim discs from Microcenter. I did find a 10 pack of the Verbatim Record design at Walmart, and nothing was wrong with the whole pack.
Windows 10 requires a CPU instruction that the early p4 didn't have. Only a couple ever did.
Iirc it's hardware data execution prevention.
Pentium 4 with RGB? Madness!
I have a P4 system waiting to be reviewed, but I don’t yet want to feel actual pain.
This garbage-diving for old PC resurection reminds me of our first family computer, around 2003.
Kids and parents all contributed for a "powerful" ( back then it was near the top of what you could buy ) ~$2000 desktop and screen, which equates to $3415 in 2024.
To be fair it lasted a very, very long time and the replacement we bought a bit over 10 years later for less than half the price was so much more powerful it's difficult to make a comparaison.
Crazy to think a $700 laptop with integrated graphics now plays games I couldn't dream about in 2003. Or 2013.
These type of insanity odysseys is why I love PC gaming so much, spending hours bashing your head against the wall until you finally get everything to work, it is a pain, but in the end you feel so rewarded 😆
also, I think the problem here was all that dust around the socket at 10:02 I had a P4 that also would stop working for no reason until I took everything apart and cleaned all the components around the socket. I think the dust just shorts the motherboard trails if too much dust gathers.
"It's been undercover" Sheesh...is that an OG Williamette!? RIP
Is that DDR1 Asus board a P4PE2-X? I got my first PC with that motherboard, a 2.8 GHz Preshott and a GeForce4 card. What times that was, the CPU once swapped out to a Northwood and overclocked. Glad we never touched the GeForce FX cards! Next time, get a late model P4 and a Core2 era board. Imagine if Tejas actually made it out.
Perhaps a good follow up on this video would be something on the Pentium M, the alternative project that later evolved into the Core series processors. Better not use a laptop for that...
I still have a 5950 Ultra kicking around. Absolutely terrible card.
Closest to tejas is Xeon 7140M. Quad socket, 64MB of l3 and 8 cores 16 threads total
@@IntegerOfDoom The fan on that card compliments the one on the Pentium 4. Turbo!
As someone who has three P4 systems at home, I really ought to test the out ASAP.
I'm gonna order a 120 GB sata SSD and a Sata->IDe converter, just in case.
Also... during the first build Win10 install attempt, I could help but think that Budget should have tried to install Win7, then update to Win8, then to Win10.
Really makes you realize how taxing even web-pages have become now-a-days.
Where's the optimization?
High level languages bro… 😢
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The suffering in your voice echo what it is like to deal with these on a near daily basis for tech support. Also, not sure if Pentium 4 cpu fan or a 747 max is parked in your living room with engines on XD
Oh wow... I saw that you really struggled with that one! Personally, I'd reassemble the one Pentium 4 system that still works, and get a more authentic OS put back on it, that works properly - such as XP SP3. Then dedicate it to legacy gaming, which it would probably be good at.
Also, don't store electronics in a shed! Your loft would have been better than the shed.
I would say, modern OSs may lack older chipsets controllers, causing most of that. Plus a mountain of background tasks.
Most ironic thing is the Pentium 4 was in my mother’s first computer. She wasn’t a gamer, so a basic system was all she ever needed. Her last computer she had before she passed away was an Acer all in one with a Celeron N3350. It had, and still has Windows 8.1. My first PC had an FX-4300. It was quickly replaced with an Intel 1150 motherboard and i5 4570, which paired much better with the GTX 1050 I had.
Throw a windows server vm on your main pc, install WDS and try doing PXE installs. Found it much more stable than USB installs and much faster than DVD installs on old systems. Its easy to slipstream drivers too - my server has SDItools 40gb library
Even this doesn't compare to a relative's Server Tower I has to troubleshoot. No video, super long boot, no booting to Windows. It was 'solved' by removing battery, turning on until sound, turning off, adding battery and 2 RAM modules (of 4), turning on, resetting (wannabe) UEFI/setting boot to Secure Boot, saving, turning off, adding 2 other RAM modules, turning on, booting to Windows.
HP/Dell Servers are trash. ECC still takes to long to boot.
Regarding Pentium 4: it's single-core only. You cannot multitask! Even on XP, it was super-slow, last time I tried.
I wish you tried old Linux distros, like Ubuntu or Debian also from the same era and then a modern one. These old rigs can still work decently with Linux distros.
I've found that most of the time, a P.O.S.T. or Power On Self-Test failure is usually caused by some kind of hardware issue, like Ram sticks not being properly seated in their sockets, or a bad contact on one of the PCI cards due to them not being seated in their sockets properly, sometimes it is because the BIOS has gotten a bit flaky too, this can usually be fixed by doing a BIOS reset by taking out the round silver BIOS battery, and then bridging the Clear CMOS pins on the motherboard for about 10 to 20 seconds with the power turned off, after that, you un-bridge the Clear CMOS and then plug the silver BIOS battery back in its socket, plug all the cards and etc back into the sockets on the motherboard and try booting the computer again, you might need to try that a few times before you get a successful boot, some computer motherboards do tend to have a "sticky" BIOS.
Whats your opinon of the 3rd gen i7 3770?
I had one running call of duty black ops cold war and it honestly shocked me how well it handled it!
Feels like peak intel to be honest.
Sandy/Ivybridge is still doing remarkably well. As long as games target the XB1/PS4 I can’t see it becoming obsolete anytime soon.
The i7 3770 was a beast , I still use for media on another screen, it does desktop stuff faster then my i5 7600k 😂
I have never tried a Pentium 4 PC in my life, but after watching the video, I don't need to now.
Oh man, you haven't lived until you've fought a Pentium 4 or Pentium 3 system. If nothing else, it'll give you perspective on how nice modern systems are to work with. LOL! I grew up tinkering with 386, all the way up to Pentium 4 systems. They really helped me develop a health amount of patience.
@@GodSaveTheUnitedStatessame here, I've still got a pentium d in the loft 😂 having just looked it up again, specs say its a dual core but i think i remember mine being a single core so it might be a celeron d
My computer back in 2009 was powered by Northwood Pentium 4 2.4GHz (thankfully not Willamette!), at that time running Windows XP was rather solid, but not stellar. 5 years later and the P4 is slightly downgraded to 2.0GHz one… then in 2019, got another pc (Compaq dc7600) with pentium D 945 3.4Ghz. Run atrociously slow with Windows 7 onboard, so crap I've ended using my smartphone too often (and bought ThinkPad x200t as alternative PC)
Honestly they were pretty good on Win98, ME, 2000 and XP systems. But anything beyond that like Vista? Forget about it. Vista and beyond really want those Core 2 Duos
My pentium 4 stick rock till today as video mp3 player 😂
Oh , it's venerable Willamette P4 , that explains why no usb 2.0 as my old Northwood board from 2002 (I-845E chipset and S478) had 2.0 which was very good at the time , but it still felt slow if a large file had to be copied and large means for early 2000s , not newer ones. But , for everything else that didn't included file transfer , usb was and still is - god send. One connector for everything.
Love to see a steady stream of content I thought you quit a few months ago
I came across one of these while working at an ewaste refurbishing/recycling place.
I took it out of the pc i found it in and put it on my desk as i had wanted to take it home but someone must have thought i just hadnt put it in the cpu bin yet and chucked it.
Have an AMD C60 and an old Celeron running Win 10; but I think the usable limit is a Core 2 Duo. As you found paint dries faster than the load times you are seeing!
Generally its best to use mass grave devs scripts to install the IOT LTSC branch of windows 10, then use maybe autostart thing to skip the start screen entirely (I think rufus has an option for this), maybe blackvipers configuration script, superfetch service disable, setting the task scheduler to favor background programs with about 12gb 'paging file', maybe avoid using edge in favor of ungoogled-chromium with adnauseum, possibly any overclocking tool, maybe editing the power settings to set the cpus's minimum state to 95?
I've ran the latest windows 10 IOT LTSC version on a singlecore atom, it was never as bad as a user experience as this.
As a currys employee, I can tell you that stock just comes in on large pallets, cellophane wrapped so for the disks to be like that means they came to us from HP like that.
In regards to the order, If you ordered a 10 disk pack online then they likely scanned the 10 disk pack and then gave you the wrong one as you can't "fullfill" an order without scanning in the correct barcode so either the website was wrong and the item was right based on what was ordered, you ordered a 50 pack without realising and assumed it was 10 pack or they scanned a 10 pack and made the mistake of giving you a 50 pack which seems like a wild mistake given how the system works.
Nope, ordered a 10 pack. As I didn't need 50 blank DVDs, and it was only £4.99 for a set of 10. Interesting to hear how things work.
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial ah, so realistically then, they would have picked up the 50n and the 10, scanned the 10 to fulfil the order and then just said fuck it and gave you the 50 lol
Was that a Prescott with HT? I found the HT model ran Windows 10 fairly competently, as the extra thread helps with the plethora of background tasks
Would you consider doing a video on AMD’s equivalent failure - Bulldozer/Piledriver? Like the P4, this also has a long pipeline which limited its performance. I still use one as my primary gaming PC, but I think I’m rapidly approaching its limits 😢
The P4 2.4Ghz (533 FSB) was insane when I first got it, upgrading from a PII 450, and a 486DX4 before that. I will always have love for the P4 ❤
The only thing I remember about RDRAM was that a magazine I was reading said it was more expensive than gold by weight
Boot sales are awesome for brand new old stock blank CDs and DVDs
I ran Windows 10 on a Pentium 4 about 6 years ago and it was a similar experience to this lol, the saving grace of it was that it was a P4 with hyper-threading but even then it was horrific compared to a cheap C2D
12:42 if you think that's bad, I had a Windows and Linux dual-boot and my bootloader got overwritten, and the only thing I had to reinstall an OS was Windows 10 on an SD card. I can't even remember why. But that took a good few hours to install, and it was successful.. somehow
the beeping was from the POST, it will beep 4 times, one or more will be short, and this short beep will indicate a faulty memory stick/slot, after beeping 4 times, it will repeat, if 4 long then no memory is detected
Athon 64 spanked the P4. I had a Northwood 2Ghz back in the day, lovely Dell workstation machine that churned out Quake III OSP at over 160fps with a Geforce 4 Ti until I finally retired the machine for an Athlon 64.
I messed around with a Prescot a few years back through, and it overclocked nicely to 3.6Ghz (on a decent modified cooler) and was impressive enough for period correct games (alongside an X1950 Pro AGP).
That new intro cutscene is great (Ik it's been like that for a few vids)
I recently get P4 651 3.4ghz cedar mill(65nm) and i tested it on windows 7 and GTX 770 and 8GB DDR2 1066mhz ram. The thing is new GPU drivers have big CPU overhead and 1core cpus suffer badly from it. Performance was absolutely trash even after OC it to 4.6ghz. Far lower than it should be. Best way to use P4 is probably with 8800GTX. Everything newer will cause huge CPU overhead.
Examle:Doom3 timedemo only 55fps average(should be in 75+fps) fear1 benchmark 59fps average(should be 100+ easy)
I remember those long beeps in the P4 era, usually cured with a new CMOS battery
Nice Video as per usual Squire, At 7:57 you show a Blank HP DVD with a manufacturing defect, A Friend of mine bought the latest version of Microsoft’s Flight Sim on DVD & most of the Disks had manufacturing defects and we had a right game (No pun intended) installing the Sim on his PC, We contacted the Supplier who stated that: “It’s the way the DVD’s are manufactured” or something like that & I think it’s ludicrous that Companies can get away with such shoddy manufacturing processes in this day and age, I think they offered my Mate a small partial refund in the end, Barmey, I always try & keep a reasonable supply of Blu-Ray, DVD & CD Disks to hand in case I need them for whatever reason, Anthony - Birmingham.
it is not possible to run windows 8, windows 10 and windows 11 in first and second generation pentium 4 systems, or rather 180nm and 130nm builds. because they are not equipped with the Nx-bit instruction set that Windows needs to be able to install and run. At least, you need a third generation Pentium4 (90nm) with a note, it uses Nx-bit or xD-bit,, which is marked with the letter J behind the series, or a series with the number 1 or 6 at the end. For example: Pentium 4 HT 560J, Pentium 4 HT 531, Celeron D 336. or using the Pentium 4 600 series, where all of these series support 64-bit, as well as xD-bit instruction sets. On the other hand, the xD-bit feature is always found on socket 775. and I myself have never found it on socket 478. So with socket 423?? There really is no way for the xD-bit feature, which Windows 8, 10, and 11 won't work on.
Those are the duel use dvd-r not be be confused with duel layered.
The duel use ones are for coasters and bird scarers and I've also known them to be used as frisbees.
I once glued the cooler to the CPU using "thermal paste", but was instead some kind of thermal glue that you use to glue heat-sinks.
Motherboard pins completely destroyed, straight to the trash ...
I think the results wasnt a big surprise for us. Windows 10 can be slow to run even on Core 2 Duo based systems so Pentium 4 would be surely as slow as we saw on the video. I will surely continue Windows 7 usage with much better CPU (Core 2 Duo T9300 @ 2,5Ghz).