my last 2 dmt trips were like this. 1 of them, i saw the rest of my life go on and when i came out of it, i felt eternally grateful and so happy to be back in my body in this time. i dont want my life to go on that path. Last night in Joshua Tree, my trip was me being on a conveyor belt going thru my timeline again. when i opened my eyes, there was a pink geometric patterned net in the form of a dome that stretched out for what i can only guess was a few miles. I keep on thinking and saying to myself, "i need to change", "i cant let my life go on like this", and then today, this pops up on my feed... i can't pretend to understand whats going on, but i think its something special and we should all continue to believe we have the ability to create a better version of ourselves.
My trip had conveyor belts in it too. I totally left the entire scope of reality into another separate realm, where I could look down and to the right and see all of my existence. When I left, I saw myself fall and thought, _That's going to hurt!_ Then I was in the separate place. Behind me was a light. The light didn't cast any rays or make any shadows, but if I looked up and to the right I could see it. When I would turn away, I saw no trace of it...but still knew it was there. So I would look again to see if the light was there and sure enough...it was. So I peeked inside the light and say a room that looked like a stereogram. When I began to focus, I could see pillar in all directions and these conveyor belts moving off into the distances towards a light. On the conveyer belts where little jester head heading towards the light. One of them noticed me and I looked away. I thought, _Don't look back there or it'll know._ So I looked back anyway and it saw me. It then floated up to me and began showing me how happy it was I was there and welcomed me. I said, "Nope" When I pulled my head out of the light I began to go down. Kind of like that feeling you get with an elevator, but without any sound or clanking of gears. I was then in a place with demons. They were dark silhouettes in a dark place and the only thing I could see of them were teeth and eyes. Their eyes and teeth looks like the eyes and teeth of the Electric Gremlin in the movie Gremlins 2: The New Batch. Only instead of blue they were the color you see when you close your eyes and press your eyes in a dark room. That color. Then I realized none of the demons couldn't see me. They were snarling and snapping on each other like a zombie hoard. Just billions of them...EVERYWHERE. But they couldn't see me. So I began to walk through them and after a second decided to leave before they "could" see me. So I stepped up out of the place. Just stepped right out of hell, like stepping up on a cross fit block. Then I started to hear my buddy helping me to the grass so I went back to my reality.
The scary thing about eternal recurrence is not the idea of having to relive every moment, emotion or scenario, but the fact that eternal recurrence means every moment is meaningful and lives on in eternity.
And the devil; the True Devil will teach you to fear and fight against it, and God will teach you to submit and embrace it. Your perspective will determine if you will experience it as heaven or hell for all of eternity. Which is just an observation, don't take it as truth or anything lol.
I like to mix this story in with the story of the egg. Meaning we will actually reincarnate as every soul to exist. But that we will also do it over and over again for eternity
Or meaningless because there is never a chance to learn or alter the path. I feel like the thought process of believing eternal recurrence is its own sort of prison. If one thought every choice was pre determined because of this life long groundhog day, then you could choose to go play ball, stop dead in your tracks and decide nah, I'm gonna watch a movie instead, then change your mind again and go to the park, no go on a run, wait I'll work on the car, ah fuck it, no matter what I choose its already what I would have chosen no matter what so what's the point of choosing at all? Oh wait, if I don't choose, that's the choice. If I kill myself it just starts again only to end the same way. That way of thinking makes nihilism sound like Saturday morning cartoons in comparison. It could drive a person mad if they lack the mental fortitude. Interesting AF though. Love this stuff
bruh if this shit were true it means a baby that lived for 1 week just constantly dies lol. regardless its extremely unlikely this is true its a philosphical concept/thought experiment. im not sure why this is what this guy chose to literally believe in
If we are all locked into an eternal repetitive cycle of the same predetermined existence that we are unable to learn from or alter in any way, then there is no such thing as meaning even in its simplest form. Our entire existence would just be one big never ending glitch. I almost dislike that theory as much as the one about the universe suddenly deciding to come into existence completely on its own even though it didn’t exist but at the same time had always existed.
Nietzsche didn't "believe" in eternal recurrence -- he just used it as a thought experiment for people to figure out whether they're living the life they want. In a way, it's like him asking "If you had to eternally relive your life the same way you've lived it up until now -- would it be a blessing or a curse? What conclusions can you make from this?"
Yeah. That's exactly what Neil said. EDIT- It's disheartening that this comment and many in this thread seem to lack basic listening skills. So I'll help you out - Neil literally says Nietzsche viewed eternal recurrence as a thought experiment TWICE. At 2:00 and 3:58
@@jamesong.a.7695 And the worst are those able to convince themselves that their incredulity is just a reaction to incoherence rather than their lack of understanding. That said, he is incoherent in this case.
“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.” ― Bill Hicks
Why give acid a bad name just cause your a f$cking Doorknob If he thought he could fly .why didn’t he try it from the ground first Now he’s ruined it for everybody..
And if there's a free will and it's always "same you", you'd be making the same decisions over and over again, and that's how you'd live the same life with the same events every time - I don't know why Joe didn't get that
I think the real burden would be the very realization that your life is infinite and recurring, but you'd have to be absolutely certain about it. Almost as if it is somehow presented to you in a completely noetic fashion.
@@socratese5 Its because you cant prove or disprove solopsism. Its the kind of thing an absolute nutter would believe that doesnt have the capacity to think critically. How would one go about proving everything I consider to be "real" is actually an illusion? Any data you show me as evidence will just be rejected as part of the illusion and not real. Its a lose-lose philosphy that as I said, only actual crazy or extremely stupid people would believe
I remember when i was 18 hanging out at a friends house. I looked up towards the sky and for some reason thinking im gonna be 30 in 12 years, it felt like it would be long time til 30 ... Im 51 now!... time goes bye so fast its mind blowing!
For sure...and the older you get the faster a year goes by...I can’t believe sometimes that something I think happened a year ago actually happened 4 or 5 yrs ago. Especially if you work night shift or swing the time seems to really blow by. I am almost 38 now and being 20 only seems like it was a few years ago..life is short.
@@BFaluup true I work swing shifts but it’s also that our perception of time is relative. When we’re young we haven’t experienced much time so it feels as if it goes by so slow but the more time we experience the less we notice it blowing past us.
I'm pretty sure this was a major theme in "True Detective" S1. Matthew McConaughey's character explains it and then declares "time is a flat circle" while smashing a beer can.
“Look, as sentient meat, however illusory our identities are, we craft those identities by making value judgements. Everybody judges all the time. Now, you got a problem with that, you’re living wrong.” - Rust Cohle
First season was awesome, show went down hill from there. They need another season or movie even with Mathew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson, continuing the same storyline!
I think this guy is way off. Life is what you make it. You can ride it like a river or paddle against the current. Time is a construct. It bends, stretches. Take time out of it and look at existence as a whole. We are literally a microcosm of an infinite system. Know your role, treat people how you want treated, and make it cleaner than you found it. Pretty simple stuff.
I dont think anything you said contradicts what he's saying. You can do all those things within the theoretical construct of eternal recurrence. That said, I hope that it's not right because that would literally be hell, even if you did live exactly how you outlined, inside of eternal recurrence you would be in a never ending loop with no novelty whatsoever. What you perceived to be living your best life through a series of free will choices would actually just be an infinite repetitive pattern with no end and no begining.
@@bjornlucent6307 100%. I was just saying that unfortunately being a good person wouldn't contradict what this guy is saying. Also like you said, we dont know. Thank God. If eternal recurrence was true I think knowing for a fact it was true would be what made it a living hell.
He’s misrepresenting Nietzsche here imho. Nietzsche’s thought experiment of eternal recurrence was in support of his life affirming philosophy. He expected the average person to first greet the idea with horror, but if you could see this life as something you’d be willing, and even eager, to do it forever, it would be the ultimate expression of life affirmation. And the idea goes back to at least the Greeks, who believed the universe was cyclical. Oddly, if we find that the universe eventually stops expanding and begins to contract, it could actually be true
goes back to the ancient indians, believed every thing on this universe is a cyclical process, there is going to birth for something that is dead and vice versa, the karmic action what you sow is what you reap is a perfect illustration for that.
He may not be expressing the concept perfectly, but he has the right idea... Reread the part where he says, (roughly)"would you fall down gnashing your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus or would you declare, 'you are a god and never have I heard anything more godlike' "... Which is to say once you know your predicament you would realize you can make better choices and live a great life eternally OR one would just feel screwed and(like a fool) continue making the same follies instead of adjusting your life to get the best outcome possible... The latter part of this answer is a simplified version though, pretty sure he meant to express a deep deep horror upon one realizing his burden that he cast upon himself...
I think you're 100% right. I always thought that what Nietzsche meant was that if you look at your life and you want to know if you've lived a good life, then you would have no problem living it over and over again. I think Neill got it wrong, you don't live the same thing forever, you ACT like you will and that will determine how you live your life. What he's saying, doesn't even make sense.
When Joe asked if he thinks about it during directing I thought he was going to say because what your describing is like a film. The plot is predetermined and yet still has to be acted out and once it's over it can be watched over and over again from a different dimension, expect it's the 3rd dimension looking down onto the 2nd
Except, life isn't a film because we learn. The eternal return is removing experience, learning or consciousness from the equation. I find it amazing that Joe Rogan picks up on this intuitively, when he keeps asking, 'but why can't we learn?'. 99.99% of people don't actually pick up on this from Nietzsche's eternal return.
What I understood about Nietzsche eternal recurence is that in fact, every moment will repeat itself to inifnity as Neil was describing but I found empowering that I have the will to decide how this moment will be in eternity . It can be paradise or hell. Just ask yourself now, if I´m going to come back to this moment time after time, for all eternity, how I want this moment to be? I rather make it a "good" moment. In that way I escape nihilism.
Kind of like how schizophrenics get into delusional belief systems and create their own subjective hell... Scale that delusion up to a cultural level.. Lol
@@leothesouthpaw if YOU are here for eternity it doesn't matter if this is the first time, or the 983737. But on that aspect , a book written by Anthony Peake, speculates with the eternal return,inmortality, time etc and extends precisely in what you are talking about. The book is called. "Is there life after death?
I don't believe Nietzsche really believed this but merely put it forward as a thought experiment. No one could really believe it all the time or they would either commit suicide or become and automaton and then, feeling this too was a waste of time, a catatonic schizophrenic. Know yourself.
It's always amazing to hear people talk about humanity, why we are here, how it all works and their opinions/thoughts on life....BUT then turn around and say God isn't real. So this guy thinks we are in a time loop of life in some sort of biological simulation....but GOD creating man isn't an option...ok.
I don't think he disbleives God, he may just think of God as the eternal organism in which our dimensions and black and white holes and dreams and everything exist within. Still there would be a God I don't think anyone truly believes there isn't one they just use different language. At least I hope so lol.
That and he gets to live the same awesome rich life over and over again, while little Billy gets to die an agonizing death from cancer at 8 years old over and over for all eternity! What a putz!
You're also a nutter if you actually believe in it. You can't prove or disprove it, so its a complete moot point. In which case, why would you lean on the side of it being true for any other reason than to seek attention? Stopped watching after 30 secs.
maybe its like everyone is a single player from their POV and we're all on the same server? or our servers overlap and certain points in time? I dunno man....
I find some very *positive* moments in Ketamine Kent, and some where the SAME scene can be positive or negative where the same loop of music( I IDENTIFY IT as NWA's Parental Discretion is advised...but it's like the first time i ever heard it, every time), and the same "scene", I am lying on my back, in the *NEGATIVE* version of this loop of "J'amais Vu" I have been run over while cycling and am lying on my back in a ditch,(in the WORST version I have been run over on purpose and am awaiting the people who did this to finish me off), in the positive version I am lying on top of a MASSIVE structure, while that loop blares, and Airplanes are flying over me in the same direction and style as the end of the movie "Heat", but all is good, all is as it should be, and every loop, and beat and Plane are positive thoughts and words.
"In this world, is the destiny of Man controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like The Hand of God, hovering above? At least it is true that Man has no control, even over his own will"
One day I was way to high, and had this unshakable awaness, that my entire life was predetermined, and it will repeat over and over, into eternity.And that Deja Vu, was a remembrance of one of the past times you lived this life before.
Me and my friend discussed this last time we tripped. literally. this hits the spot and this is what life is narrowed down to being. us just walking into infinite moments that have already happened and are happening all at once
I understand Nietzsche different here though. I do not for a second believe he literally ment or believed that you would eternally relieve the exact same life. Rather I understood it that it would be good or rather Übermensch-like, to try to live your life in such a way that if you had to relieve it the same over and over exactly the same you could accept it. At least that is how I understood it, that one should try to live a life you can so to speak, "stand behind" and affirm if you were ever questioned over it. That of course does not mean one needs to live a perfect life (if there is such a thing), rather that you have a, maybe, lust and passion for life itself. Not to cling to it, but to be able to accept it the way it is.
@@yuumizedong2574 nope, "for extraordinary claim we need extraordinary evidences" so i have question for you where is the proof of eternal recurrence ??
Man, my views about life and death are a bit different: That free will indeed exists and that we (the universe and existence in general) are inevitable. When we die, an amount of time passes unperceivable to us (the deceased, because our consciousness is gone; dispersed) and we inevitably form into a new consciousness, in a different form, time, place, and possibly, new universe if the universe we once lived in finally dissipated while we were dead. Everyone reading this comment has won the existential lottery by simply existing here, but also this was inevitable. We may experience thousands, if not billions of existences, and even one day, may return to an existence that is almost exactly like this one we have now.
I was on board to the point he kind of implies that the universe only repeats in one version. Basically it's similar to a multiverse scenario, where many different versions of you will come to exist, including the version you are now, and ALL versions, or possible timelines, will repeat eternally. (But not necessarily in overlapping realities as multiverse suggests, but could be one at a time as the universe infinitely cycles)
Imagine believing this nonsense then shitting on religion (not saying you are) but damn it I hate anyone who quotes nietzsche without realising the man was a depressed and unhappy person that only created more sad an unhappy people. Science is a religious doctrine at this point. Don't tell me you understand quantum physics when no one does. Its literally the NWO religion and they already back tracking
I have traveled much in my life and experienced a lot. Many times I have come to serious choke points where major decisions needed to be made. I would like to think that I could have gone one way or another when I reached those points, but deep down inside, when I really examine myself and what else could have happened in those moments, I have to be honest. There was absolutely NO WAY I would have chosen anything other than I did, even the choices that left me alone, or were wasteful in the end in some way. I still can't see myself having done anything different in the end (when I am honest with myself). This fact, combined with Penrose's theory of infinite universal cycles, makes me think about this a lot. Oh, and there have been many important moments in my life that were preceded by a vivid and clear Deja-Vu or a moment from a dream I had years earlier that came true exactly as I had seen it months or years before the situation actually occurred. Also, if you believe that time is infinite, then you believe that we will all be back here one day eventually doing the same things we are right now. On an infinite timescale, it is not only possible, it is inevitable. What Blomkamp is saying in the video, is that we DO have free will, but in the end we actually never use it because of the condition we are in as we live out our lives. After trillions upon trillions of years have gone by since the end of our last iteration to the current one, our souls have literally forgotten the vast majority of what we were and what we did previously. We are lucky that some of us get hints of it at all. I also believe (somewhat) in the Zodiac, but not for mystical reasons. Where we are as we begin to grow in our mother's wombs in relation to the large masses of our solar system could influence how our brains develop along with our genetics. Something to think about.
@@Memememe-is1yn What's most interesting to me about the zodiacs is how accurate the characteristics are amongst the people. Do you think/believe the 13th zodiac actually exists? Asking out of curiosity cause my subconscious won't let me get rid of the thought.
@@Caelum935 Numerology is much more accurate than just zodiac birth month. Look up how to do yours online for free and I guarantee you'll be surprised.
@@SonnyWane I was thinking more like the "Novikov self-consistency principle" of time travel, where even if you tried to kill your grandfather, somehow the timeline would correct itself. Like maybe you went back in time to kill your grandfather, but then time corrects itself and replaces your grandfather with someone who somehow still makes you. Or maybe time keeps you from killing them somehow. Or you get your grandma pregnant instead. Or you go back to the future and hate it so you go back in time again to stop yourself from changing the past. Sometimes it feels like I'm doing something that I know is wrong, and my brain tells me it's wrong, but I keep doing it and going forward with the action, like it's unstoppable. What if at some point in the near future, computer graphics and computing power and computer simulations become so advanced that they rival reality? Like NEO in the matrix learning kung fu in a few seconds... What if we find it most entertaining to live out our ancestors lives? Instead of "Did you see that movie?" the question would be "Did you try living as George Washington yet?" and get an answer like "Yeah actually I did. I was bored and suicidal until my 30's, but then it really picked up." If we were reliving some famous person's life, in an attempt to really understand some boring historical figure or some noteworthy time, we would be bound by certain historical events and then the unknown parts would be filled by free will. You get to do what you feel for the most part, but Abe Lincoln still has to go to that theater. Or you can think of it as you get to run around between missions in any way you want, but each mission in GTA 5 follows a pretty specific chronological blueprint. Everyone plays the mission uniquely, but you still have to hit the proper milestones to complete the mission.
Eternal recurrence is tightly related to amor fati. Despite the same tragedy is destined to happen to you given you are you, you still love your life, or you love your fate. This in my measurement takes the utmost courage for any human beings to accept in their souls. There’s is a movie “arrival” by Amy Adams and Jeremy Renner that can be used as an example to explain the idea. The protagonist played by Amy Adams somehow peers into the future through leaning the alien language, and she saw she would have a lovely daughter but her daughter would die of cancer before puberty. At the end of the movie, she accepted her fate and decided to instead of trapping herself into the grief that her daughter would die, she would focus on spending the time with her daughter while she was alive. This, in some form, is closest we can get to embrace amor fati and the determined fate.
There is a few interpretation of Nietzsche's concept, the main interpretation is not an ontological and metaphysical one about some sort of literal repetition, it is being read as an ethical proposition, live your life with the idea in mind that it could repeat itself over and over again.
@@carlosparra8976 An ontological statement it a statement about the being of something, for exemple, "laws of physics EXISTS outside of our conceptualisation of them". Something ontologically positive is something that exists. Ontology deals with existence. And the proposition that we live our lives over and over again is an ontological one because it implies that Nietzsche thought of the eternal return as something that exists, as something that happens.
This has been talked about for a millenia. The stoics are some of the wisest people to ever exist, from Marcus Aurelius to Seneca. They too believed in a deterministic, looping reality. And designed a philosophy of detachment from the abstract to modify ones perspective on life in the most pragmatic terms. Stoicism has a sage which is to embody true oneness with all your decisions by way of knowing the preordained nature of reality and accepting it. You are a trainer of the body known as yourself. A captain behind the wheel of a ship it envelopes.
@@woodpass choosing to ignores things you can’t change is a choice. Acknowledging that learned experience brought you to that outcome and it was inevitable. But still acknowledging that you still need to decide, even if the choice was decided for you.
@@woodpass that’s part of the paradox of free will. You can’t become catatonic of your bias and experiences. Even genetics play a major role in your course in life. Your attractiveness, your height. All these things are factors when deciding who you’ll be. And news flash, most of them, they aren’t up to you. Especially when we’re vulnerable like children and if your set of circumstances lead you to sadness and no guidance and suddenly you’re 18 with assault on your record, good luck not feeling the weight of capitalism on your shoulders. Good luck finding a job, you’ll resort to crime to get your needs met. Especially if you don’t have a helping hand. Which is generally a part of the reason why creating more equitable environment with more of an incentive on collaboration than competition, would be likely better public health outcomes. Stratify all these variables across all the citizenry of a nation and you’ll see the systemic outcome of public health and crime, intersecting.
@@camb546 free will and determinism are mutually exclusive. You aren’t a victim of your circumstances. You are gifted with the freedom to move within them. Its a tough pill to swallow to acknowledge that your failures weren’t predetermined but entirely your own doing, but it is likewise empowering to know that you create your successes by making good decisions. There is not middle ground, that is called intellectual fence sitting. You are either a predeterministic product of circumstance or you are a sovereign individual with free will and the capacity to choose.
"Remember how good the JRE podcast was when Thomas Sowell was a guest?" That's what we'll be saying after Joe has him on. He's over 90 years old. Please make it happen, Joe!
I gotta give you credit. You’ve left this comment on every jre UA-cam clip for a while now. Persistence is a virtue and youve got it. Here’s the issue. Thomas sowell rarely gives interviews. It’s known that it takes people years to cultivate his trust enough to give an interview. Also he doesn’t leave Palo Alto. In order to interview him you have to go to him or do it through zoom. No one would love to see him on here more than me. It’s just not gonna happen. Also he’s 91 years old and I’ve watched every interview he’s done. He’s not gonna do a free form 3 to 4 hour podcast. It’s just not gonna happen. Unfortunate but it’s just the reality of the situation.
@@jensgronning4436 It's worth trying. Maybe he'll make an exception since it's a hugely popular podcast. If not, the only time I've wasted is typing a comment on a UA-cam video lol
This just makes me think he’s a very surface level thinker. Im sure he thought it was really profound. Another one of the 1000 people with too much time on their hands that are going to misinterpret nietzsche. Lol
@@branmar5817 "In 10 years, nanobots in your blood might keep you from getting sick or even transmit your thoughts to a wireless cloud. According to some futurists, in the next 10 or so years, your blood could be streaming with tiny nanorobots to help keep you from getting sick or even transmit your thoughts to a wireless cloud."
Prophetic dreams give you a glimpse of the literal future. I’ve had them a lot so I get deja vu about the “dreams” if you want to call them that. I don’t know how more people aren’t amazed by prophetic dreams. It’s essentially your mind time traveling.
I was trying to explain this how this happens to me pretty regularly, like I’ll have a dream about whatever, then bam a couple months or even years later I’ll be somewhere, and I feel like a rubber band snaps me back into reality and out of my head for a moment, and it’s I’m sitting in the middle of the exact scene that I dreamt however long ago
@@Ilych367 That’s a great way of describing it. Me and my brother both have this happen pretty often and it’s cool hearing about it from other people. I want to get a whole bunch of us people together, or something that would help us understand just how it’s possible.
Your comment brougth up a deja vu I had maybe 7 years ago when I was about 20. I was going to visit my sister in Malaga Spain, a few weeks before flying over there I told here I had a dream being their with her at the beach/bay walking along the water. When I was there, after having a stop at this frozen yoghurt place, we started to walk back, and suddenly I stopped her when I saw the playing ground from my dreams, and I told her a family would come from the left with a stroller and two kids running towards the red entrance gate. This was so strange when it happened infront of me. I did not even remember the dream until The colourful fence of the playing ground shot me back into it. Weirdest experience ever and it felt so lively, with my eyes staring in front of me but not really seeing reality, all I saw was the dream playing out while it happened in real life
@@thejourneytofreedom9959 Yeah it’s a weird experience. I’ve had A LOT in the past year. Definitely more than 20 I’d say. Some are more intense than others, like the one you had. While some you’ll barely feel the deja vu yet still remember the dream. I’ve also found that sometimes there’ll be slight variations between the dream you had and the actual event. But that’s only been happening recently for me. I want to study why this happens. I really don’t understand why there’s not a ton of coverage on the fact. Our brain is doing time travel and giving us sneak peaks of the future. That’s pretty interesting.
People are always overcomplicating Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence. After Nietzsche did away with God, souls, Heaven and Hell, etc., he still had to come up with a philosophical guide for how we should live our lives. So he came up with the Eternal Recurrence. We should live our lives as if we were destined to re-live that same life for an eternity. Whatever it is you're doing now, you should want to do it again in your next life, and the life after that, and so on, forever and ever.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Nietzsche wasn't a Nazi. In fact, he hated Anti-Semites. He also hated German nationalists. The Nazis ignored that part of his philosophy when they adopted it.
The idea of the eternal recurrence was not a BELIEF it was a thought experiment. The highest affirmation of life is if a demon said to you "you will relive your life, in the exact same way forever", would you curl in a bawl and curse your fate, or accept it as the ultimate test of belief in your life. It was not meant to be taken literally.
bruh you clearly didn't read Thus Spoke Zarathustra or The Will to Power or you didn't understand them at all. In those books, eternal recurrence is clearly more than a thought experiment.
Its not locked in place, there are infinite possibilities and realities that co exist and already "exist", and throughout your life depending on the choices you make you can experience or "unlock" different outcomes of things different next time. You can experience a lot of those outcomes throughout many many reincarnations until you unlock your ascendance out of that matrix. Otherwise what is the point.
@@jeremydevita4932 that's from the gay science. And I've read them both multiple times. He doesn't call it a thought experiment but I think you're reaching if you think he actually believed it.
Once when on shrooms, my friend and I had a revelation that "it's all circles". And the next day, we laughed about it. But, the older I get, the more I realize I was right.
During my trip/experience, I felt like time is indeed cyclical, but also follows an x axis movement - It's always flowing forward, but flowing forward in a spiral. That's why it never repeats exactly the same, but the general ideas are always eternal.
Even in a physical sense I don't think you're wrong@@jordanhallmark1784, it was explained to me once that satellites in orbit are actually falling in a perfectly straight line, it just appears curved because of gravity is bending spacetime. If spacetime is actually 1 substance I don't see how your trip intuition can't be true
Tripped on shrooms in college. I had this fantastic idea for a movie. I went and got a ream of paper and started drawing each scene. I was at it for hours. I turned from drawing stick figures before shrooms to drawing realistic sketches of people in my movie. Made a script and drew every scene. It was hours upon hours in my head. Woke up the next day to a ream of paper at my desk w/ one piece of paper having drawn some shitty sketch w/ some scribbles next to it……my movie idea will be lost forever.
Please don't ignore the square (screen) that you typed that comment on. Remember, there are no absolute values (like "Its all _____") in infinity. Infinity is true. Math is just a system of of computation; thought. Without intelligent beings to consider it and formulate it, there is no math. The Matrix has you. knock knock..
This concept immediately activates my weeb brain and reminds me of the time loop trope from 2 of my favorite animes: Madoka Magica and Higurashi When They Cry. (Highly recommend both btw) Both protagonists have to repeat time to get all the pieces to fall into place, but it's destined to never happen.
I’ve had many dreams of the future since I was small . I generally only remember close to the event usually 6 months later as I’ve gotten older they have become less frequent.
Same with me when i was younger. I cant too much remember many of them but theres one ill never forget. My class had a field trip i believe to a civil war museum and i just remember i dont know if it was in a dream or sometimes i would zone out and start day dreaming but i remembered we were in a line walking to this area in the museum where they had like cottages where i believe slaves lived in but before that we watched a short film but before any of that i just couldn't forget there was a man with a hat just sitting in the museum and i couldn't make out his face and it looked like he had all black on dressed like someone out of a cowboy movie. I feel like he glanced in our direction i cant really remember if he did anything but he was sitting there i dont recall anyone acknowledging him. i never even asked did anyone else see him. Also there was a cannon outside of the building that i remembered seeing before. I dont know what triggered the vision but i feel like it was a connection to the civil war items that were there because alot of things there were real we saw things that day that kids shouldnt see. Me being black seeing how my people lived and were treated the black girls in my class crying we even got to experience cotton picking that day. I have to go back man.
2:39 reminds me of AI learning… how they keep doing the same mistakes till it learns or is given programming… in an endless cycle of birth death and rebirth till it gets the coders(Gods) desired outcome…
This is a perfect example of the Hollywood treatment of anything from history to philosophy: dumb it down, misquote it, and try to sound profound. A+ dude.
He didn’t misquote it? He just just stated that on a very core level, he believes in it himself. Paul Loeb, Professor of Philosophy, visited my class with Gary Shapiro one time to defend this view. He published an excellent book that argues that Nietzsche's theory of the eternal recurrence is actually a legitimate cosmological argument that was meant to be taken literally. Also, Neil is South African/Canadian. Not sure why you’re going on about Hollywood.
@@SallyMankus130 he misquoted Nietzsche, who never put forward the Eternal Return as a metaphysical proposition, rather it was used as a rhetorical device in order to provoke the reader to consider his own actions/life's choices. 'Act as if you were bound to relive you actions over and over for eternity' (the essence of his argument). And to be fair, I didn't "go on" about Hollywood. I only made a single brief comment about it's tendency to dumb down, misquote, misuse history, culture, philosophy, etc. Also, you don't have to be born in America to work in Hollywood. Blomkamp works with all the big U.S. production companies, 20th Century Fox, et al. His career is what roots him in Hollywood. Cheers.
@@m1863m Uh, yeah, he said Nietzsche used it as a thought experiment? Some people are so invested in building a specific narrative that they miss out on certain key details which would force that prior foundation to crumble, you know. And yes, I am more than familiar with it. Lol. That's why I feel as though you should read The Death of Nietzsche's Zarathustra by the celebrated philosophy professor, Paul S. Loeb, who argues that it was more than simply a thought experiment. (By the way, he's not the only one who believes this.) Also, only two out of his five projects were traditional Hollywood productions in that sense. Do you consider auteurs who direct arthouse films that are sold to larger distribution companies Hollywood as well? Would you deny the genius of Kubrick, PTA and Lynch because they've worked with Hollywood? It's certainly not as monolithic as you make it out to be, considering a large portion of cinematic works of art are at least connected to *Hollywood* in that sense and it doesn't fit the criteria that was previously listed, you know. (Unless you're a philistine, I guess but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one.)
I hate misreadings of my boy Nietzsche. He never espoused eternal recurrence as his metaphysics, he said that the overman could bear the burden of making that choice of facing their life on repeat infinitely. It's a comment on the individual not his beliefs of life and death.
I'd understood it to be a invitation to forgive yourself for your dumbass choices and an invitation to be less constrained. He thought most people would hate the idea but, too bad. You'll hate hearing it everytime you hear for eternity. I'm not a scholar. I know good advice when I hear it though.
@Leonard Ney that’s not what I said. Also, there are many readings of that Nietzsche line, it being a metaphysical comment is definitely not one of them.
This guy should have a TedTalk, damn.. this was so interesting - I had the exact same thoughts every single day for as long as I can remember. So great to see somebody mention this, thought it was only me going crazy in my own deep thoughts.. meanwhile our forefathers died in WW1 and WW2 for nothing as we are being mandated to do things against our own free will, while getting shot with rubber bullets, bean bags and sprayed with pepper spray and choked by tear gas and refused to go to the local shops or even walk down the street and stretch your legs, unless we comply by breathing in our own carbon dioxide which our bodies are trying to actually get rid of, due to it being poisonous to the human body and then replacing that with the Oxygen in the air (life essential that we need to live and survive).. and accept an experimental drug injected into your body whilst ignoring the fact of being force-fed with one narrative instead of being presented with the true information of countless negative side-effect facts on both sides and let the people actually decide for themselves what they want to believe and choose what they wish to do with their own body, all in the ironic name of 'caring about our health'... back to Tom with the Weather
Except, those powers which hold down our free will are us. The same forces of WW2 are alive today and are the same people which we are personally. Unless we want to live inside no system at all, in complete chaos, then there must always be this.
Obviously, the concept of a 'recurring life" doesn't exist because of this thing called TIME. You can't have a timeline if everything is recurring. I really wish humans would stop making everything so fucking confusing.
That was moronic of him, which is weird. Because you don't have memories of those past occurrences, how the fuck do you learn if you just hit the reset button? The concept (when properly explained) aims to explain that, if you can imagine life as being an infinite reset in the same timeline with the same person (you), then you will always make the same choices and relive the same events, because you don't have memories of past occurrences, so you can't change anything, and so does everyone else around you, thus, everything just repeats. But if this was a reality, and someone proved this to you, and showed you the truth, you wouldn't be able to assimilate it and would collapse, probably because you have regrets. So, instead of pondering about whether or not free-will exists, you should live your life as if it did, because in case it doesn't, and life is just a repeating set of set in stone events, you'd want it to be the best set of them you possibly could achieve. It's a thought experiment aimed to make people live the best life they can. Nothing more.
The ending is a quite fascinating way to view life. All possibilities are there from the start and all we do it trim it down. Makes me think of Jordan Peterson's rant about the "adult infant" who prefers to keep all options open. I can relate to the anxiety of choosing, knowing all the other options are lost.
This is a taoist belief and I think it's beautiful, and I do think it makes complete sense. Alan Watts once said "anything that happens once, doesn't happen at all" meaning existence itself is similar to a sine wave rather than a once off occurrence. What a beautiful realization
I have always had a similar weird thought that you can't die in your own life. If a deadly experience happens to you, your consciousness seemlessly moves to another reality where you didn't die. When other people die the same thing happens and they continue their life in another reality not knowing the difference, but they're dead in your reality.
I thought that too, but what if something happens to you that you know for sure cant be survived? Like your head getting cut off by a train or something similar?
Anthony Peake says something similar in that your never die in your universe (paraphrasing) I struggle to understand that but its nonetheless fascinating
Self indulgent fate makes us feel better about our life’s events. More than likely it is all simply random and we can’t structure and use that unsettling truth : )
It's amazing to me that people either believe in a God watching them, or everything around them is a hologram, or their life is repeated for eternity,. It all seems so self centered and grandiose, when we're probably just a small insignificant blip of a life.
What if no one is right? What if we're mildly significant but not totally significant? So "Oh yeah, the humans. They were okay. Preferred their first few albums. 6/10".
We spiral up till we reach liberation, we do learn from experience, it deep in the soul our tendencies in life and yearning to do better , eventually we all get out, that's the love and grace of the universe .
Yes we repeat with different outcomes based on choices until we "unlock" our ascendance out of this matrix. There are almost limitless outcomes and many ways to reach that unlocking.
@@Aworology333 Read about actually enlightened beings who transcended their body consciousness.. Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, are two main examples in the last 100 years. The book "I AM THAT" is helpful in pointing out what reality is, and what you are.. also what you're not.
He didn’t explain the idea good enough until the end when speaking on at first you have a million choices when faced with a situation but when you decide on one action then the number of paths you could’ve taken shrinks…it’s like when they say first impressions matter because when you first meet a person there’s a plethora of ways that person can perceive you based on your actions
It might as well NOT be the case. You have no way of proving it for sure, and every life will be like the first time anyway. It’s all theoretical and if you live your life like it’s the “only one”, really it’s the same.
As a small child, I had precognitive dreams. And déjà vu. And those things made me think about life being lived over and over. And that we were just going to eventually remember it. And my precognitive dreams and déjà vu were the things that allowed me to change or avoid danger. They were events that would trigger a breakthrough, and potential change.
Same here, and I still have those dreams now and then. The weird thing is they're not big events at all, and I barely recognize the situation. Then years later I'm at a place in a situation and I'm like "FUCK! I dreamed this!!!". I don't know what this means at all.
@@MadGeorgeProductions I have that too, happens a few time a year, where i see exactly what i dreamt a while ago, for example, in the first person looking at the desk with a colleague stood to the right and me writing a list, thats a stupid example, but they often are just meaningless things where i suddenly realise "ive dreamt this months ago"
@@jeromebullard6123 How did that work out for you? I've been thinking of doing the same but I'm the sold bread winner in a family and have no transferable skills (video editor mainly). Can't really take the hit to start at entry level again. Would love to know how it's gone for you.
I don't know. I could see a universe where Chappie was a little bit better and this guys life is dramatically improved and events altered because of it.
Scary but amazing times we live in. Military checkpoints will be set up on us homesoil for covid vaccination certification. Camps will be activated. Police state is coming. New world order led by obama and pope francis is coming. Jesus christ is coming back for the rapture. Get ready. Dont believe the coming ufo alien abduction narrative
This guy should go read the Majhima Nikkaya and speak to some Theravada monks, maybe do a vippassana retreat. He seems like hed enjoy it and benefit from it.
I can say almost the same about my dream state. I have the ability to change it if I absolutely mentally push it. However, everything else feels like it’s on a track.
@@joemores6196 South African-Canadian. So you can hear some stuff he says is more Canadian like especially when he says "been". Some times he sounds full on American others you can hear the South African accent. I thought it was pretty cool. I mean it is a phenomenon where some people loose their accent after moving to another country slowly over time. This happened to Mel Gibson. Arnold Schwarzenegger never lost his haha.
![Rick Roderick on Nietzsche and the Eternal Recurrence [full length]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/CPa7lkblha0/mqdefault.jpg)
Incredible.
How Joe can weave Jiu Jistu into absolutely any conversation.
Yeah, really! He took a long walk to make an irrelevant reference.
Joe Jitsu
do you train bjj?
@@bossman8066 obviously not 🤣 they train Kungfu
Eternal BJJ Recurrence
my last 2 dmt trips were like this. 1 of them, i saw the rest of my life go on and when i came out of it, i felt eternally grateful and so happy to be back in my body in this time. i dont want my life to go on that path. Last night in Joshua Tree, my trip was me being on a conveyor belt going thru my timeline again. when i opened my eyes, there was a pink geometric patterned net in the form of a dome that stretched out for what i can only guess was a few miles. I keep on thinking and saying to myself, "i need to change", "i cant let my life go on like this", and then today, this pops up on my feed... i can't pretend to understand whats going on, but i think its something special and we should all continue to believe we have the ability to create a better version of ourselves.
I’m screen shotting this because it just spoke to me in a way that I can’t even describe
@@jacoborndorff6270
i had a dmt trip just like this recently, i felt so relieved to be out of the reoccurrence. i feel you brother
But, did you at least see the Joshua Tree?
My trip had conveyor belts in it too. I totally left the entire scope of reality into another separate realm, where I could look down and to the right and see all of my existence. When I left, I saw myself fall and thought, _That's going to hurt!_ Then I was in the separate place. Behind me was a light. The light didn't cast any rays or make any shadows, but if I looked up and to the right I could see it. When I would turn away, I saw no trace of it...but still knew it was there. So I would look again to see if the light was there and sure enough...it was. So I peeked inside the light and say a room that looked like a stereogram. When I began to focus, I could see pillar in all directions and these conveyor belts moving off into the distances towards a light. On the conveyer belts where little jester head heading towards the light. One of them noticed me and I looked away. I thought, _Don't look back there or it'll know._ So I looked back anyway and it saw me. It then floated up to me and began showing me how happy it was I was there and welcomed me. I said, "Nope"
When I pulled my head out of the light I began to go down. Kind of like that feeling you get with an elevator, but without any sound or clanking of gears. I was then in a place with demons. They were dark silhouettes in a dark place and the only thing I could see of them were teeth and eyes. Their eyes and teeth looks like the eyes and teeth of the Electric Gremlin in the movie Gremlins 2: The New Batch. Only instead of blue they were the color you see when you close your eyes and press your eyes in a dark room. That color. Then I realized none of the demons couldn't see me. They were snarling and snapping on each other like a zombie hoard. Just billions of them...EVERYWHERE. But they couldn't see me. So I began to walk through them and after a second decided to leave before they "could" see me. So I stepped up out of the place. Just stepped right out of hell, like stepping up on a cross fit block.
Then I started to hear my buddy helping me to the grass so I went back to my reality.
The scary thing about eternal recurrence is not the idea of having to relive every moment, emotion or scenario, but the fact that eternal recurrence means every moment is meaningful and lives on in eternity.
And the devil; the True Devil will teach you to fear and fight against it, and God will teach you to submit and embrace it. Your perspective will determine if you will experience it as heaven or hell for all of eternity.
Which is just an observation, don't take it as truth or anything lol.
I like to mix this story in with the story of the egg. Meaning we will actually reincarnate as every soul to exist. But that we will also do it over and over again for eternity
I find that idea way more comforting than scary.
Or meaningless because there is never a chance to learn or alter the path. I feel like the thought process of believing eternal recurrence is its own sort of prison. If one thought every choice was pre determined because of this life long groundhog day, then you could choose to go play ball, stop dead in your tracks and decide nah, I'm gonna watch a movie instead, then change your mind again and go to the park, no go on a run, wait I'll work on the car, ah fuck it, no matter what I choose its already what I would have chosen no matter what so what's the point of choosing at all? Oh wait, if I don't choose, that's the choice. If I kill myself it just starts again only to end the same way.
That way of thinking makes nihilism sound like Saturday morning cartoons in comparison. It could drive a person mad if they lack the mental fortitude.
Interesting AF though. Love this stuff
bruh if this shit were true it means a baby that lived for 1 week just constantly dies lol. regardless its extremely unlikely this is true its a philosphical concept/thought experiment. im not sure why this is what this guy chose to literally believe in
Guest: I'm an astronaut
Joe: Amazing, you know, I know this Brazillian dude who is an expert in jiu-jitsu, who is also an astronaut.
If we are all locked into an eternal repetitive cycle of the same predetermined existence that we are unable to learn from or alter in any way, then there is no such thing as meaning even in its simplest form. Our entire existence would just be one big never ending glitch. I almost dislike that theory as much as the one about the universe suddenly deciding to come into existence completely on its own even though it didn’t exist but at the same time had always existed.
That is the point. We are able to learn. That is the straw that breaks the whole scenario on the camel's back.
Ya, everything is everything, pass the joint.
No, but seriously... if you think about it
Well said
Straight up lol
Nothing is everything 👣
Takes a hit…..”wow”
Nietzsche didn't "believe" in eternal recurrence -- he just used it as a thought experiment for people to figure out whether they're living the life they want. In a way, it's like him asking "If you had to eternally relive your life the same way you've lived it up until now -- would it be a blessing or a curse? What conclusions can you make from this?"
THANK YOU
That sounds much more probable (& useful).
Nicely explained ty👌
It's a curse damnit!
Yeah. That's exactly what Neil said.
EDIT- It's disheartening that this comment and many in this thread seem to lack basic listening skills. So I'll help you out - Neil literally says Nietzsche viewed eternal recurrence as a thought experiment TWICE. At 2:00 and 3:58
Guest: Everything repeats itself.
Joe: Jujitsu.
Jiujitsu*
@@undercoverboss543 i’m gonna leave it misspelled so that my lesson.
yeah but what do you even say to that
Guest: Everything repeats itself.
Joe: I have to take a shit...
Joe: let’s keep the viewers and not say things that mean nothing
Another "deep thinker" who has succeeded in confusing himself.
The best “deep thinkers” are the ones able to convince the rest of us they aren’t confused, we’re just too dumb…
@@jamesong.a.7695 And the worst are those able to convince themselves that their incredulity is just a reaction to incoherence rather than their lack of understanding.
That said, he is incoherent in this case.
Lol for fuckin real
🤣🤣🤣
What about the timeline. Does it restart again in the same year you were born? Or do you get to live in the next era etc?
this is like one of those late night discussions you have at a cosplay techno festival with a night elf and a dude in a dinosaur costume.
More like furry festival. Ew.
yeah, thanks you are here because I created you in my soliplistic mind
Lmfao this is hella specific 🤣
Have you seen the video
Joe Rogan gets mad at Alex Jones
It’s hilarious! 😡 😂
Oddly specific
“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.” ― Bill Hicks
Dreaming of that face again
Thats an actually quote? I've only ever heard it from tools song third eye
Did you see this clip of Alex Jones making fun of Joe?! Joe gets pissed! ua-cam.com/video/L5qynOa-mKo/v-deo.html
Why give acid a bad name just cause your a f$cking Doorknob
If he thought he could fly .why didn’t he try it from the ground first
Now he’s ruined it for everybody..
Featured in "Third Eye" by Tool
This is how I be talking to my girl on the phone after I just smoked a blunt 😭😭
That's what they did. Everyone on the podcast is contractually obligated to blaze a blunt first.
No, what you do is bs not this
Bro I do the same shit 😭 my girl don’t smoke so she be tight at me saying I’m always talking shit😭
@@OfficialGOD You don’t know me. Stfu
😂😂
Living your life on a loop wouldnt be a burden, because each loop would feel like the first time.
And if there's a free will and it's always "same you", you'd be making the same decisions over and over again, and that's how you'd live the same life with the same events every time - I don't know why Joe didn't get that
I think the real burden would be the very realization that your life is infinite and recurring, but you'd have to be absolutely certain about it. Almost as if it is somehow presented to you in a completely noetic fashion.
Exactly
Living in the loop wouldn't be the unbearable burden. Being convinced of it would be.
thats the definition of insanity according to einstein
This gives me the message that you should seek to live a life worth living a thousand times.
Except it'll be wayyy more than 1000 and realistically everyone will have ups and downs but they'll be steeper for some.
This guy manages to say a lot without really explaining anything in detail.
Have you seen the video
Elon Musk meets Post Malone
It’s hilarious!! 👽 😂
@@kevinpham8761 I'll check it out
It’s because he doesn’t really give proof or explain well why he believes what he believes
@@socratese5 Its because you cant prove or disprove solopsism. Its the kind of thing an absolute nutter would believe that doesnt have the capacity to think critically.
How would one go about proving everything I consider to be "real" is actually an illusion? Any data you show me as evidence will just be rejected as part of the illusion and not real. Its a lose-lose philosphy that as I said, only actual crazy or extremely stupid people would believe
Just a bunch of psycho babble.
I find it amusing people's absurdly confident grasp on life time etc. When they are financially comfortable
Life is intricately beautiful and full of amazing things... when you have shitloads of money and free time to do drugs in your suite all day.
Lol.
When you are not desperatley trying to survive, you finally have the time and energy to focus on philosophy. That doesn't mean he is wrong though
@@BB-ty6iy He admitted it's a paradox, tho.
@@damyr it's not a paradox, he just fails to explain it.
I remember when i was 18 hanging out at a friends house. I looked up towards the sky and for some reason thinking im gonna be 30 in 12 years, it felt like it would be long time til 30 ... Im 51 now!... time goes bye so fast its mind blowing!
Fuck man I’m 18 now 😂
For sure...and the older you get the faster a year goes by...I can’t believe sometimes that something I think happened a year ago actually happened 4 or 5 yrs ago. Especially if you work night shift or swing the time seems to really blow by. I am almost 38 now and being 20 only seems like it was a few years ago..life is short.
Perhaps we get too busy workin and stop livin
The days go slower and the years go faster
@@BFaluup true I work swing shifts but it’s also that our perception of time is relative. When we’re young we haven’t experienced much time so it feels as if it goes by so slow but the more time we experience the less we notice it blowing past us.
"Someone once told me time is a flat circle." * smashes the beer can *
Hahaha, on his head even
*Flips open pocket knife*
First thing that popped into my head watching this 😂
Yessss
Matter in a superposition of every place it ever occupied, our sentience just cycling through our lives like carts on a track.
One second into the video:
"The universe is a hologram."
Well, I guess it's good to see the Joe Rogan Experience hasn't changed.
Ok
This conversation is about as profound and novel as a philosophy 1 midterm essay at a community college
Thank you! I’m losing brain cells watching JRE, and I’m not even laughing. Can’t someone make it on the show who has something interesting to say?
I feel like i was slapped with bologna while listening to the morons i did drugs with in high school. Couldn't agree more.
Can you really judge someone for having a point of view though..?
@@theautodan7095 I expect more from the show. I learned nothing and I watched the whole podcast. It was a waste of time.
Nerd
I'm pretty sure this was a major theme in "True Detective" S1. Matthew McConaughey's character explains it and then declares "time is a flat circle" while smashing a beer can.
“Look, as sentient meat, however illusory our identities are, we craft those identities by making value judgements. Everybody judges all the time. Now, you got a problem with that, you’re living wrong.” - Rust Cohle
Maybe the best first season of any show, ever.
Well he got that line that time is a flat circle from a Satanist sociopath, so maybe true detective is a critique of that idea.
First season was awesome, show went down hill from there. They need another season or movie even with Mathew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson, continuing the same storyline!
@@MR_Wild the story line is over. It’s concluded.
I think this guy is way off. Life is what you make it. You can ride it like a river or paddle against the current. Time is a construct. It bends, stretches. Take time out of it and look at existence as a whole. We are literally a microcosm of an infinite system. Know your role, treat people how you want treated, and make it cleaner than you found it. Pretty simple stuff.
Very well said. Unfortunately we live in a world where you can spout big words and it’s viewed as hyper intelligent.
I dont think anything you said contradicts what he's saying. You can do all those things within the theoretical construct of eternal recurrence. That said, I hope that it's not right because that would literally be hell, even if you did live exactly how you outlined, inside of eternal recurrence you would be in a never ending loop with no novelty whatsoever. What you perceived to be living your best life through a series of free will choices would actually just be an infinite repetitive pattern with no end and no begining.
@@lukeyaple5949 Either way, what r u going to do. I'm just saying to not be a jerk and ruin it for everyone else. Otherwise make the best of it.
@@bjornlucent6307 100%. I was just saying that unfortunately being a good person wouldn't contradict what this guy is saying. Also like you said, we dont know. Thank God. If eternal recurrence was true I think knowing for a fact it was true would be what made it a living hell.
He just watched interstellar 3 times
He’s misrepresenting Nietzsche here imho. Nietzsche’s thought experiment of eternal recurrence was in support of his life affirming philosophy. He expected the average person to first greet the idea with horror, but if you could see this life as something you’d be willing, and even eager, to do it forever, it would be the ultimate expression of life affirmation.
And the idea goes back to at least the Greeks, who believed the universe was cyclical. Oddly, if we find that the universe eventually stops expanding and begins to contract, it could actually be true
What's this "we" business. I'm not a scientist
goes back to the ancient indians, believed every thing on this universe is a cyclical process, there is going to birth for something that is dead and vice versa, the karmic action what you sow is what you reap is a perfect illustration for that.
He may not be expressing the concept perfectly, but he has the right idea... Reread the part where he says, (roughly)"would you fall down gnashing your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus or would you declare, 'you are a god and never have I heard anything more godlike' "... Which is to say once you know your predicament you would realize you can make better choices and live a great life eternally OR one would just feel screwed and(like a fool) continue making the same follies instead of adjusting your life to get the best outcome possible... The latter part of this answer is a simplified version though, pretty sure he meant to express a deep deep horror upon one realizing his burden that he cast upon himself...
If I had 50,000,000,000 lives until this universe stopped expanding and started retracting to start phase two at halfway into the bang of the next....
I think you're 100% right. I always thought that what Nietzsche meant was that if you look at your life and you want to know if you've lived a good life, then you would have no problem living it over and over again. I think Neill got it wrong, you don't live the same thing forever, you ACT like you will and that will determine how you live your life. What he's saying, doesn't even make sense.
When Joe asked if he thinks about it during directing I thought he was going to say because what your describing is like a film. The plot is predetermined and yet still has to be acted out and once it's over it can be watched over and over again from a different dimension, expect it's the 3rd dimension looking down onto the 2nd
This was deep asf
@@NinoVerse22 asf deep was this ?
Except, life isn't a film because we learn. The eternal return is removing experience, learning or consciousness from the equation. I find it amazing that Joe Rogan picks up on this intuitively, when he keeps asking, 'but why can't we learn?'. 99.99% of people don't actually pick up on this from Nietzsche's eternal return.
What I understood about Nietzsche eternal recurence is that in fact, every moment will repeat itself to inifnity as Neil was describing but I found empowering that I have the will to decide how this moment will be in eternity . It can be paradise or hell. Just ask yourself now, if I´m going to come back to this moment time after time, for all eternity, how I want this moment to be? I rather make it a "good" moment. In that way I escape nihilism.
Kind of like how schizophrenics get into delusional belief systems and create their own subjective hell... Scale that delusion up to a cultural level.. Lol
how are we supposed to know this is the first time around, what if we’ve been reliving this shit for billions of years or whatever
@@leothesouthpaw if YOU are here for eternity it doesn't matter if this is the first time, or the 983737.
But on that aspect , a book written by Anthony Peake, speculates with the eternal return,inmortality, time etc and extends precisely in what you are talking about. The book is called. "Is there life after death?
👍👍
I don't believe Nietzsche really believed this but merely put it forward as a thought experiment. No one could really believe it all the time or they would either commit suicide or become and automaton and then, feeling this too was a waste of time, a catatonic schizophrenic.
Know yourself.
he’s literally explaining the plot to almost every Christopher Nolan film
😄
Or the ending of Kubrick's Space Odyssey, of which Nolan's narrative concepts are mostly informed, or influenced by.
Not batman tho lol
Ok
nah don’t make sense bro
This is the dumbest theory I've ever heard.
I agree. Makes it seem like the universe is pointless...
There has to be a point. Atleast i feel so.
@@lil-dexxy6475God exists. His name is Jesus Christ
It's always amazing to hear people talk about humanity, why we are here, how it all works and their opinions/thoughts on life....BUT then turn around and say God isn't real. So this guy thinks we are in a time loop of life in some sort of biological simulation....but GOD creating man isn't an option...ok.
no body said anything about God.
@Adamcampbell You just typed a non-sequitur.
I don't think he disbleives God, he may just think of God as the eternal organism in which our dimensions and black and white holes and dreams and everything exist within. Still there would be a God I don't think anyone truly believes there isn't one they just use different language. At least I hope so lol.
@@ethandudash1073 Nobody believes in your magic space organism.
I’m not so sure this guy totally understands his theory. He’s almost convincing himself as he explains it to Joe.
Me either
Every physics professor does the same thing until they tell their theory enough times.
It's hard to grasp, I don't entirely grasp it. But I think he has a good idea of it.
These are my thoughts just about every time I hear an “intellectual” speak on a “theory” of theirs these days…
@@jamesong.a.7695 critical race theory, for example…
Use big words, barely understand there meanings, contradict yourself sentence to sentence. You're doing great Neil.
Their...
He’s being solipsistic!
That and he gets to live the same awesome rich life over and over again, while little Billy gets to die an agonizing death from cancer at 8 years old over and over for all eternity! What a putz!
@@Drgluee i don’t think he thought it through well
@@garymac5571 Im not correcting it b/c I deserve the shame
Hegel said "The only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
I would love to see a conference of solopocists and see them debate who is the real one
Can't help but think of the spider man double meme lol
Lol 😂
You're also a nutter if you actually believe in it. You can't prove or disprove it, so its a complete moot point. In which case, why would you lean on the side of it being true for any other reason than to seek attention? Stopped watching after 30 secs.
maybe its like everyone is a single player from their POV and we're all on the same server? or our servers overlap and certain points in time? I dunno man....
It's me
Ketamine does this when you fall in a hole. You feel like you're stuck there forever doomed to repeat these moments forever.
100%
Nietzsche was in a K hole all this time? damn..
That's what a k hole is ? I smoked k2 once and was stuck in the same couple conversation loops for what felt like hours. It was torture
espacially if you do it with N2O man it turns into a fucking dmt khole trip
I find some very *positive* moments in Ketamine Kent, and some where the SAME scene can be positive or negative where the same loop of music( I IDENTIFY IT as NWA's Parental Discretion is advised...but it's like the first time i ever heard it, every time), and the same "scene", I am lying on my back, in the *NEGATIVE* version of this loop of "J'amais Vu"
I have been run over while cycling and am lying on my back in a ditch,(in the WORST version I have been run over on purpose and am awaiting the people who did this to finish me off), in the positive version I am lying on top of a MASSIVE structure, while that loop blares, and Airplanes are flying over me in the same direction and style as the end of the movie "Heat", but all is good, all is as it should be, and every loop, and beat and Plane are positive thoughts and words.
This reminds me so much of the manga, Berserk. RIP Kentaro Miura
"In this world, is the destiny of Man controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like The Hand of God, hovering above? At least it is true that Man has no control, even over his own will"
One day I was way to high, and had this unshakable awaness, that my entire life was predetermined, and it will repeat over and over, into eternity.And that Deja Vu, was a remembrance of one of the past times you lived this life before.
Book: Journey of Souls
Does it repeat for you. Or for evey one though
I've been there.
I watched Source Code and Deja Vu too...
Solipsism is fun until you dissociate and reality isn’t real anymore
Love your videos Reyna
Depends which self you identify with lol
Me and my friend discussed this last time we tripped. literally. this hits the spot and this is what life is narrowed down to being. us just walking into infinite moments that have already happened and are happening all at once
I understand Nietzsche different here though. I do not for a second believe he literally ment or believed that you would eternally relieve the exact same life. Rather I understood it that it would be good or rather Übermensch-like, to try to live your life in such a way that if you had to relieve it the same over and over exactly the same you could accept it. At least that is how I understood it, that one should try to live a life you can so to speak, "stand behind" and affirm if you were ever questioned over it. That of course does not mean one needs to live a perfect life (if there is such a thing), rather that you have a, maybe, lust and passion for life itself. Not to cling to it, but to be able to accept it the way it is.
@@TheGuyAlwaysOnTime you don't think it could be a reality right? Cosmologically?
What.??
@@yuumizedong2574 nope, "for extraordinary claim we need extraordinary evidences" so i have question for you where is the proof of eternal recurrence ??
I like this guy. He's like a nicer well adjusted Rust Cohle.
Well put
Tiiime is a flat circle
Great analogy. Rust was one of my favorite characters ever. His arc completely broke me
Given how long it’s taken me to reconcile my nature, I don’t figure I’d forgo it on your account, Jeff.
Man, my views about life and death are a bit different: That free will indeed exists and that we (the universe and existence in general) are inevitable. When we die, an amount of time passes unperceivable to us (the deceased, because our consciousness is gone; dispersed) and we inevitably form into a new consciousness, in a different form, time, place, and possibly, new universe if the universe we once lived in finally dissipated while we were dead. Everyone reading this comment has won the existential lottery by simply existing here, but also this was inevitable. We may experience thousands, if not billions of existences, and even one day, may return to an existence that is almost exactly like this one we have now.
Sounds more or less like reincarnation.
@@Garrus1995 Yup, pretty much reincarnation that cuts out the religious/fantasy aspect, I suppose
@@chillpenguin7679 reincarnation seems pretty fantasy to me
I can dig it
@@chillpenguin7679 But what is it that transfers? What is this soul substance that can disperse? What can cause it to reform?
I was on board to the point he kind of implies that the universe only repeats in one version. Basically it's similar to a multiverse scenario, where many different versions of you will come to exist, including the version you are now, and ALL versions, or possible timelines, will repeat eternally. (But not necessarily in overlapping realities as multiverse suggests, but could be one at a time as the universe infinitely cycles)
Imagine believing this nonsense then shitting on religion (not saying you are) but damn it I hate anyone who quotes nietzsche without realising the man was a depressed and unhappy person that only created more sad an unhappy people. Science is a religious doctrine at this point. Don't tell me you understand quantum physics when no one does. Its literally the NWO religion and they already back tracking
I have traveled much in my life and experienced a lot. Many times I have come to serious choke points where major decisions needed to be made. I would like to think that I could have gone one way or another when I reached those points, but deep down inside, when I really examine myself and what else could have happened in those moments, I have to be honest. There was absolutely NO WAY I would have chosen anything other than I did, even the choices that left me alone, or were wasteful in the end in some way. I still can't see myself having done anything different in the end (when I am honest with myself). This fact, combined with Penrose's theory of infinite universal cycles, makes me think about this a lot. Oh, and there have been many important moments in my life that were preceded by a vivid and clear Deja-Vu or a moment from a dream I had years earlier that came true exactly as I had seen it months or years before the situation actually occurred.
Also, if you believe that time is infinite, then you believe that we will all be back here one day eventually doing the same things we are right now. On an infinite timescale, it is not only possible, it is inevitable. What Blomkamp is saying in the video, is that we DO have free will, but in the end we actually never use it because of the condition we are in as we live out our lives. After trillions upon trillions of years have gone by since the end of our last iteration to the current one, our souls have literally forgotten the vast majority of what we were and what we did previously. We are lucky that some of us get hints of it at all.
I also believe (somewhat) in the Zodiac, but not for mystical reasons. Where we are as we begin to grow in our mother's wombs in relation to the large masses of our solar system could influence how our brains develop along with our genetics. Something to think about.
Believing in the zodiac just made all your thoughts worthless
@@godsmarine5734 You didn't read the why did you?
@@Memememe-is1yn What's most interesting to me about the zodiacs is how accurate the characteristics are amongst the people.
Do you think/believe the 13th zodiac actually exists? Asking out of curiosity cause my subconscious won't let me get rid of the thought.
@@Caelum935 Numerology is much more accurate than just zodiac birth month. Look up how to do yours online for free and I guarantee you'll be surprised.
I can wrap my head around this.
It sounds like he's playing GTA5, and each time you play the game is different, but the missions are always the same missions.
that's deep
So no, the analogy would be that everything you did in the order and time you did it would be the exact same. Like a movie that’s on rerun
@@SonnyWane I was thinking more like the "Novikov self-consistency principle" of time travel, where even if you tried to kill your grandfather, somehow the timeline would correct itself. Like maybe you went back in time to kill your grandfather, but then time corrects itself and replaces your grandfather with someone who somehow still makes you. Or maybe time keeps you from killing them somehow. Or you get your grandma pregnant instead. Or you go back to the future and hate it so you go back in time again to stop yourself from changing the past.
Sometimes it feels like I'm doing something that I know is wrong, and my brain tells me it's wrong, but I keep doing it and going forward with the action, like it's unstoppable.
What if at some point in the near future, computer graphics and computing power and computer simulations become so advanced that they rival reality? Like NEO in the matrix learning kung fu in a few seconds... What if we find it most entertaining to live out our ancestors lives? Instead of "Did you see that movie?" the question would be "Did you try living as George Washington yet?" and get an answer like "Yeah actually I did. I was bored and suicidal until my 30's, but then it really picked up."
If we were reliving some famous person's life, in an attempt to really understand some boring historical figure or some noteworthy time, we would be bound by certain historical events and then the unknown parts would be filled by free will. You get to do what you feel for the most part, but Abe Lincoln still has to go to that theater.
Or you can think of it as you get to run around between missions in any way you want, but each mission in GTA 5 follows a pretty specific chronological blueprint. Everyone plays the mission uniquely, but you still have to hit the proper milestones to complete the mission.
It kinda sounds like Zelda: Breath of the Wild too. No playthrough is the same but it all leads to beating Ganon and saving Hyrule
Eternal recurrence is tightly related to amor fati. Despite the same tragedy is destined to happen to you given you are you, you still love your life, or you love your fate. This in my measurement takes the utmost courage for any human beings to accept in their souls. There’s is a movie “arrival” by Amy Adams and Jeremy Renner that can be used as an example to explain the idea. The protagonist played by Amy Adams somehow peers into the future through leaning the alien language, and she saw she would have a lovely daughter but her daughter would die of cancer before puberty. At the end of the movie, she accepted her fate and decided to instead of trapping herself into the grief that her daughter would die, she would focus on spending the time with her daughter while she was alive. This, in some form, is closest we can get to embrace amor fati and the determined fate.
Exactly! To be a ''yes'' sayer to life itself. To say ''One more time'' when you are about to die is to have lived meaningful and as one ought!
There is a few interpretation of Nietzsche's concept, the main interpretation is not an ontological and metaphysical one about some sort of literal repetition, it is being read as an ethical proposition, live your life with the idea in mind that it could repeat itself over and over again.
hey, actual question here. What does ontological mean?
You are right. It should be looked at as a thought experiment. Live your life as if....
@@vedrantomic1329 exactly, it would be unlike Nietzsche to make a metaphysical /ontological proposition like this
@@carlosparra8976 An ontological statement it a statement about the being of something, for exemple, "laws of physics EXISTS outside of our conceptualisation of them". Something ontologically positive is something that exists. Ontology deals with existence. And the proposition that we live our lives over and over again is an ontological one because it implies that Nietzsche thought of the eternal return as something that exists, as something that happens.
@@carlosparra8976 To TL;DR Luigi -- topics generally dealing with the nature of objective reality.
No way we are locked in a loop.
How would you even know?
Rich people always turn weird once they have everything they want
@@Jack-bp3ns people like Warren Buffet and Manoj Bhargava seem pretty normal, all things considered
No way? Why?
This has been talked about for a millenia. The stoics are some of the wisest people to ever exist, from Marcus Aurelius to Seneca. They too believed in a deterministic, looping reality. And designed a philosophy of detachment from the abstract to modify ones perspective on life in the most pragmatic terms.
Stoicism has a sage which is to embody true oneness with all your decisions by way of knowing the preordained nature of reality and accepting it. You are a trainer of the body known as yourself. A captain behind the wheel of a ship it envelopes.
Determinism doesn’t involve decisions
@@woodpass choosing to ignores things you can’t change is a choice. Acknowledging that learned experience brought you to that outcome and it was inevitable. But still acknowledging that you still need to decide, even if the choice was decided for you.
@@woodpass that’s part of the paradox of free will. You can’t become catatonic of your bias and experiences. Even genetics play a major role in your course in life. Your attractiveness, your height. All these things are factors when deciding who you’ll be. And news flash, most of them, they aren’t up to you. Especially when we’re vulnerable like children and if your set of circumstances lead you to sadness and no guidance and suddenly you’re 18 with assault on your record, good luck not feeling the weight of capitalism on your shoulders. Good luck finding a job, you’ll resort to crime to get your needs met. Especially if you don’t have a helping hand. Which is generally a part of the reason why creating more equitable environment with more of an incentive on collaboration than competition, would be likely better public health outcomes. Stratify all these variables across all the citizenry of a nation and you’ll see the systemic outcome of public health and crime, intersecting.
@@camb546 free will and determinism are mutually exclusive. You aren’t a victim of your circumstances. You are gifted with the freedom to move within them. Its a tough pill to swallow to acknowledge that your failures weren’t predetermined but entirely your own doing, but it is likewise empowering to know that you create your successes by making good decisions. There is not middle ground, that is called intellectual fence sitting. You are either a predeterministic product of circumstance or you are a sovereign individual with free will and the capacity to choose.
"Remember how good the JRE podcast was when Thomas Sowell was a guest?"
That's what we'll be saying after Joe has him on. He's over 90 years old. Please make it happen, Joe!
Have you seen the video
Elon Musk meets Post Malone
It’s hilarious!! 👽 😂
I gotta give you credit. You’ve left this comment on every jre UA-cam clip for a while now. Persistence is a virtue and youve got it. Here’s the issue. Thomas sowell rarely gives interviews. It’s known that it takes people years to cultivate his trust enough to give an interview. Also he doesn’t leave Palo Alto. In order to interview him you have to go to him or do it through zoom. No one would love to see him on here more than me. It’s just not gonna happen. Also he’s 91 years old and I’ve watched every interview he’s done. He’s not gonna do a free form 3 to 4 hour podcast. It’s just not gonna happen. Unfortunate but it’s just the reality of the situation.
@@jensgronning4436 It's worth trying. Maybe he'll make an exception since it's a hugely popular podcast. If not, the only time I've wasted is typing a comment on a UA-cam video lol
You guys have no idea how much I cry that Man is so old
This just makes me think he’s a very surface level thinker. Im sure he thought it was really profound. Another one of the 1000 people with too much time on their hands that are going to misinterpret nietzsche. Lol
"I read an idea in a book once and now I define my personality off of it." - Blomk-amp (4th dementional interpreter)
I saw the exact same thing in an LSD trip.
@@zacharybennett3249 hahaha exactly
Joe laughing at 3:43 after such a mind-bending question was the most comforting laugh I’ve ever heard
That bald dude should start a podcast
My favorite thing about the simulation is when I'm thinking about some wild shit and the topic comes up on jre a few days later
synchronicities
Same
Another dope who saw The Matrix and believes in a "Simulation"
@@Valkonnen slow down man, I don't believe in anything. Just thought it was funny.
@@branmar5817
"In 10 years, nanobots in your blood might keep you from getting sick or even transmit your thoughts to a wireless cloud. According to some futurists, in the next 10 or so years, your blood could be streaming with tiny nanorobots to help keep you from getting sick or even transmit your thoughts to a wireless cloud."
Prophetic dreams give you a glimpse of the literal future. I’ve had them a lot so I get deja vu about the “dreams” if you want to call them that. I don’t know how more people aren’t amazed by prophetic dreams. It’s essentially your mind time traveling.
I was trying to explain this how this happens to me pretty regularly, like I’ll have a dream about whatever, then bam a couple months or even years later I’ll be somewhere, and I feel like a rubber band snaps me back into reality and out of my head for a moment, and it’s I’m sitting in the middle of the exact scene that I dreamt however long ago
@@Ilych367 That’s a great way of describing it. Me and my brother both have this happen pretty often and it’s cool hearing about it from other people. I want to get a whole bunch of us people together, or something that would help us understand just how it’s possible.
Your comment brougth up a deja vu I had maybe 7 years ago when I was about 20. I was going to visit my sister in Malaga Spain, a few weeks before flying over there I told here I had a dream being their with her at the beach/bay walking along the water. When I was there, after having a stop at this frozen yoghurt place, we started to walk back, and suddenly I stopped her when I saw the playing ground from my dreams, and I told her a family would come from the left with a stroller and two kids running towards the red entrance gate. This was so strange when it happened infront of me. I did not even remember the dream until The colourful fence of the playing ground shot me back into it. Weirdest experience ever and it felt so lively, with my eyes staring in front of me but not really seeing reality, all I saw was the dream playing out while it happened in real life
@@thejourneytofreedom9959 Yeah it’s a weird experience. I’ve had A LOT in the past year. Definitely more than 20 I’d say. Some are more intense than others, like the one you had. While some you’ll barely feel the deja vu yet still remember the dream. I’ve also found that sometimes there’ll be slight variations between the dream you had and the actual event. But that’s only been happening recently for me. I want to study why this happens. I really don’t understand why there’s not a ton of coverage on the fact. Our brain is doing time travel and giving us sneak peaks of the future. That’s pretty interesting.
or to a possible reality
When history is deleted, you’re bound to repeat it.
People are always overcomplicating Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence. After Nietzsche did away with God, souls, Heaven and Hell, etc., he still had to come up with a philosophical guide for how we should live our lives. So he came up with the Eternal Recurrence. We should live our lives as if we were destined to re-live that same life for an eternity. Whatever it is you're doing now, you should want to do it again in your next life, and the life after that, and so on, forever and ever.
Imagine being a violent psychopath and taking this to heart 😂😂
@@godsmarine5734 And then what? How is this a counterargument?
What a dumb Nazi theory. The world doesn't need anyone sharing his insane dumb theories. What a sociopath psycho you have to be to believe this.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Tell me you haven't read Nietzsche without telling me you haven't read Nietzsche
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Nietzsche wasn't a Nazi. In fact, he hated Anti-Semites. He also hated German nationalists. The Nazis ignored that part of his philosophy when they adopted it.
Is this why I get deja vu like 15 times a day?!
The idea of the eternal recurrence was not a BELIEF it was a thought experiment. The highest affirmation of life is if a demon said to you "you will relive your life, in the exact same way forever", would you curl in a bawl and curse your fate, or accept it as the ultimate test of belief in your life. It was not meant to be taken literally.
Hahahah an he didn't continue reading the book.
bruh you clearly didn't read Thus Spoke Zarathustra or The Will to Power or you didn't understand them at all. In those books, eternal recurrence is clearly more than a thought experiment.
Its not locked in place, there are infinite possibilities and realities that co exist and already "exist", and throughout your life depending on the choices you make you can experience or "unlock" different outcomes of things different next time. You can experience a lot of those outcomes throughout many many reincarnations until you unlock your ascendance out of that matrix. Otherwise what is the point.
curl into a bawl is quite a phrase
@@jeremydevita4932 that's from the gay science. And I've read them both multiple times. He doesn't call it a thought experiment but I think you're reaching if you think he actually believed it.
I disagree, the human experience is "evolving consciousness"
100%
exactly
♥️
Part of it. Part of it is unconscious.
I appreciate the curation of these thoughts and the fact that this conversation is being had. ❤️
Read books ✌️
@@angelozachos8777 get some
Here is an example of someone who has VERY surface level of understanding of a concept, and definitely does not.
Joe: so i can do DMT forever?
Guest: Pretty much
Volvo turbo go Tchhu!! chu! chuu! chu! 5cyl go hard Issa fax boyyyy
Don't even trip
I’m glad to hear I’m not the only one with these thoughts.
I wouldn't share that with anyone
Reality being a dream, is the core of most Eastern spiritual traditions. Look into it
Once when on shrooms, my friend and I had a revelation that "it's all circles". And the next day, we laughed about it.
But, the older I get, the more I realize I was right.
During my trip/experience, I felt like time is indeed cyclical, but also follows an x axis movement - It's always flowing forward, but flowing forward in a spiral. That's why it never repeats exactly the same, but the general ideas are always eternal.
nah it's all triangles.
Even in a physical sense I don't think you're wrong@@jordanhallmark1784, it was explained to me once that satellites in orbit are actually falling in a perfectly straight line, it just appears curved because of gravity is bending spacetime. If spacetime is actually 1 substance I don't see how your trip intuition can't be true
Tripped on shrooms in college. I had this fantastic idea for a movie. I went and got a ream of paper and started drawing each scene. I was at it for hours. I turned from drawing stick figures before shrooms to drawing realistic sketches of people in my movie. Made a script and drew every scene. It was hours upon hours in my head.
Woke up the next day to a ream of paper at my desk w/ one piece of paper having drawn some shitty sketch w/ some scribbles next to it……my movie idea will be lost forever.
Please don't ignore the square (screen) that you typed that comment on. Remember, there are no absolute values (like "Its all _____") in infinity. Infinity is true. Math is just a system of of computation; thought. Without intelligent beings to consider it and formulate it, there is no math. The Matrix has you. knock knock..
Hope not, I'm a quadriplegic
Dumb theory makes no sense
Make District 10, goddamn it
This concept immediately activates my weeb brain and reminds me of the time loop trope from 2 of my favorite animes: Madoka Magica and Higurashi When They Cry. (Highly recommend both btw) Both protagonists have to repeat time to get all the pieces to fall into place, but it's destined to never happen.
Love Neill Blomkamp movies.
Disctrict 9 is one my top Sci-Fi movie ever!
Crazy didn't even know this was a thought experiment. I got high one day as a kid and came to the same conclusion, just been enjoying life ever since
I’ve had many dreams of the future since I was small . I generally only remember close to the event usually 6 months later as I’ve gotten older they have become less frequent.
Who’s going to win the super bowl?
Because you are less connected to yourself > but you can cultivate your dreams
@@aaronsimone8647 tampa baby
Sounds like you might be a prophet, try a sensory deprivation tank. Might be able to tap into that ability again
Same with me when i was younger. I cant too much remember many of them but theres one ill never forget. My class had a field trip i believe to a civil war museum and i just remember i dont know if it was in a dream or sometimes i would zone out and start day dreaming but i remembered we were in a line walking to this area in the museum where they had like cottages where i believe slaves lived in but before that we watched a short film but before any of that i just couldn't forget there was a man with a hat just sitting in the museum and i couldn't make out his face and it looked like he had all black on dressed like someone out of a cowboy movie. I feel like he glanced in our direction i cant really remember if he did anything but he was sitting there i dont recall anyone acknowledging him. i never even asked did anyone else see him. Also there was a cannon outside of the building that i remembered seeing before.
I dont know what triggered the vision but i feel like it was a connection to the civil war items that were there because alot of things there were real we saw things that day that kids shouldnt see. Me being black seeing how my people lived and were treated the black girls in my class crying we even got to experience cotton picking that day. I have to go back man.
2:39 reminds me of AI learning… how they keep doing the same mistakes till it learns or is given programming… in an endless cycle of birth death and rebirth till it gets the coders(Gods) desired outcome…
But he's saying we don't learn and we just keep having an identical life over and over ... Makes no sense to me. But then it is only his thoughts.
Oh well, if I’m living the same life over and over again I’ll catch this interview the next time around…
If you miss it this time around , you will miss it the next time around.
I think the guy doesn't believe what he believes
This is a perfect example of the Hollywood treatment of anything from history to philosophy: dumb it down, misquote it, and try to sound profound. A+ dude.
Yeah, the level of consistency and understanding of his own beliefs is ... NPC like 😆
He didn’t misquote it? He just just stated that on a very core level, he believes in it himself. Paul Loeb, Professor of Philosophy, visited my class with Gary Shapiro one time to defend this view. He published an excellent book that argues that Nietzsche's theory of the eternal recurrence is actually a legitimate cosmological argument that was meant to be taken literally. Also, Neil is South African/Canadian. Not sure why you’re going on about Hollywood.
@@SallyMankus130 he misquoted Nietzsche, who never put forward the Eternal Return as a metaphysical proposition, rather it was used as a rhetorical device in order to provoke the reader to consider his own actions/life's choices. 'Act as if you were bound to relive you actions over and over for eternity' (the essence of his argument).
And to be fair, I didn't "go on" about Hollywood. I only made a single brief comment about it's tendency to dumb down, misquote, misuse history, culture, philosophy, etc. Also, you don't have to be born in America to work in Hollywood. Blomkamp works with all the big U.S. production companies, 20th Century Fox, et al. His career is what roots him in Hollywood.
Cheers.
@@m1863m Uh, yeah, he said Nietzsche used it as a thought experiment? Some people are so invested in building a specific narrative that they miss out on certain key details which would force that prior foundation to crumble, you know. And yes, I am more than familiar with it. Lol. That's why I feel as though you should read The Death of Nietzsche's Zarathustra by the celebrated philosophy professor, Paul S. Loeb, who argues that it was more than simply a thought experiment. (By the way, he's not the only one who believes this.)
Also, only two out of his five projects were traditional Hollywood productions in that sense. Do you consider auteurs who direct arthouse films that are sold to larger distribution companies Hollywood as well? Would you deny the genius of Kubrick, PTA and Lynch because they've worked with Hollywood? It's certainly not as monolithic as you make it out to be, considering a large portion of cinematic works of art are at least connected to *Hollywood* in that sense and it doesn't fit the criteria that was previously listed, you know. (Unless you're a philistine, I guess but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one.)
This is what you call confusion. Alhamdulilah for the truth and Islam.
🕋💚❤
I hate misreadings of my boy Nietzsche. He never espoused eternal recurrence as his metaphysics, he said that the overman could bear the burden of making that choice of facing their life on repeat infinitely. It's a comment on the individual not his beliefs of life and death.
@Leonard Ney except Nietzsche is pretty clear on this I mean he doesnt speak in parables so really no other meaning can be taken from his work.
I'd understood it to be a invitation to forgive yourself for your dumbass choices and an invitation to be less constrained. He thought most people would hate the idea but, too bad. You'll hate hearing it everytime you hear for eternity. I'm not a scholar. I know good advice when I hear it though.
@Leonard Ney that’s not what I said. Also, there are many readings of that Nietzsche line, it being a metaphysical comment is definitely not one of them.
@@whitebeltjoe4109 thats it brother. Too much intellectualising doesn’t work, you can feel what’s true sometimes
Karmic circles with the choice to move on once you've learned the lessons you need to move on
This guy should have a TedTalk, damn.. this was so interesting - I had the exact same thoughts every single day for as long as I can remember. So great to see somebody mention this, thought it was only me going crazy in my own deep thoughts.. meanwhile our forefathers died in WW1 and WW2 for nothing as we are being mandated to do things against our own free will, while getting shot with rubber bullets, bean bags and sprayed with pepper spray and choked by tear gas and refused to go to the local shops or even walk down the street and stretch your legs, unless we comply by breathing in our own carbon dioxide which our bodies are trying to actually get rid of, due to it being poisonous to the human body and then replacing that with the Oxygen in the air (life essential that we need to live and survive).. and accept an experimental drug injected into your body whilst ignoring the fact of being force-fed with one narrative instead of being presented with the true information of countless negative side-effect facts on both sides and let the people actually decide for themselves what they want to believe and choose what they wish to do with their own body, all in the ironic name of 'caring about our health'...
back to Tom with the Weather
?
He just is reciting out of Nietzsches book.
These are not their ideas. They are standing on the shoulders of a giant.
Great convo though.
Except, those powers which hold down our free will are us. The same forces of WW2 are alive today and are the same people which we are personally. Unless we want to live inside no system at all, in complete chaos, then there must always be this.
Obviously, the concept of a 'recurring life" doesn't exist because of this thing called TIME. You can't have a timeline if everything is recurring. I really wish humans would stop making everything so fucking confusing.
Time is relative
Time is a human construct
Humans created time also Einstein
@@superklippy6876 Yea, but a necessary one; otherwise, everything would be constrained into one coordinate.
@@modernmind74 it's a very useful measuring tool, but you tried to use time as an answer to why "the concept of a recurring life doesn't exist"
Love this discussion! Missing quality discussions like this for a long time!! Duncan used to riff on these...
Neill Blomkamp: "I don't believe we have any choices in life".
Also Neill Blomkamp: "I think we have infinite choices in life".
This is the type of conversation I watch JRE for.
"Time is a flat circle."
-Rust Cohle
true
I was waiting for someone to make that comment.
"And why don't you learn?"
I'm with Joe on this one.
That was moronic of him, which is weird. Because you don't have memories of those past occurrences, how the fuck do you learn if you just hit the reset button? The concept (when properly explained) aims to explain that, if you can imagine life as being an infinite reset in the same timeline with the same person (you), then you will always make the same choices and relive the same events, because you don't have memories of past occurrences, so you can't change anything, and so does everyone else around you, thus, everything just repeats. But if this was a reality, and someone proved this to you, and showed you the truth, you wouldn't be able to assimilate it and would collapse, probably because you have regrets. So, instead of pondering about whether or not free-will exists, you should live your life as if it did, because in case it doesn't, and life is just a repeating set of set in stone events, you'd want it to be the best set of them you possibly could achieve. It's a thought experiment aimed to make people live the best life they can. Nothing more.
@@LiviuMelioth Please look up Anthony Peake.
Please look up Anthony Peake.
@@therenaissanceronin5669 No.
because you have no memory of the life you just lived
The ending is a quite fascinating way to view life. All possibilities are there from the start and all we do it trim it down. Makes me think of Jordan Peterson's rant about the "adult infant" who prefers to keep all options open. I can relate to the anxiety of choosing, knowing all the other options are lost.
@4Freedom4All Well duh.
This is a taoist belief and I think it's beautiful, and I do think it makes complete sense. Alan Watts once said "anything that happens once, doesn't happen at all" meaning existence itself is similar to a sine wave rather than a once off occurrence.
What a beautiful realization
I have always had a similar weird thought that you can't die in your own life. If a deadly experience happens to you, your consciousness seemlessly moves to another reality where you didn't die. When other people die the same thing happens and they continue their life in another reality not knowing the difference, but they're dead in your reality.
Foolish
I thought that too, but what if something happens to you that you know for sure cant be survived? Like your head getting cut off by a train or something similar?
Anthony Peake says something similar in that your never die in your universe (paraphrasing) I struggle to understand that but its nonetheless fascinating
@@MonroeSim How is eternal oblivion or Heaven and Hell not foolish?
@@cashthecurator666 eternal oblivion is just needlessly depressing, only miserable atheists would believe in something so dark
Self indulgent fate makes us feel better about our life’s events. More than likely it is all simply random and we can’t structure and use that unsettling truth : )
It's amazing to me that people either believe in a God watching them, or everything around them is a hologram, or their life is repeated for eternity,. It all seems so self centered and grandiose, when we're probably just a small insignificant blip of a life.
We're a small piece of life sure, but life itself is pretty magical no?
So every fraction of the whole is also quite special .
What if no one is right? What if we're mildly significant but not totally significant? So "Oh yeah, the humans. They were okay. Preferred their first few albums. 6/10".
@@xFlyingFlip Agreed. Life is amazing without all that extra baggage.
Fair point, but if we're so insignificant, one has to wonder why TF are we here?
@Winston Last Name You can't handle the universe doesn't care about you xD
damn, he's right
....
what will you do now that you know?
....
the same....
We spiral up till we reach liberation, we do learn from experience, it deep in the soul our tendencies in life and yearning to do better , eventually we all get out, that's the love and grace of the universe .
Yes we repeat with different outcomes based on choices until we "unlock" our ascendance out of this matrix. There are almost limitless outcomes and many ways to reach that unlocking.
How do you know this?
@@Aworology333 lol I don't know anything more then my experience. Read the vedas, the Bible, the Gita ..look inside.
82'ers know whats up.
@@Aworology333 Read about actually enlightened beings who transcended their body consciousness.. Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, are two main examples in the last 100 years. The book "I AM THAT" is helpful in pointing out what reality is, and what you are.. also what you're not.
He didn’t explain the idea good enough until the end when speaking on at first you have a million choices when faced with a situation but when you decide on one action then the number of paths you could’ve taken shrinks…it’s like when they say first impressions matter because when you first meet a person there’s a plethora of ways that person can perceive you based on your actions
It might as well NOT be the case. You have no way of proving it for sure, and every life will be like the first time anyway. It’s all theoretical and if you live your life like it’s the “only one”, really it’s the same.
As a small child, I had precognitive dreams. And déjà vu. And those things made me think about life being lived over and over. And that we were just going to eventually remember it. And my precognitive dreams and déjà vu were the things that allowed me to change or avoid danger. They were events that would trigger a breakthrough, and potential change.
Same here, and I still have those dreams now and then. The weird thing is they're not big events at all, and I barely recognize the situation. Then years later I'm at a place in a situation and I'm like "FUCK! I dreamed this!!!". I don't know what this means at all.
@@MadGeorgeProductions I have that too, happens a few time a year, where i see exactly what i dreamt a while ago, for example, in the first person looking at the desk with a colleague stood to the right and me writing a list, thats a stupid example, but they often are just meaningless things where i suddenly realise "ive dreamt this months ago"
I think deja vu happens when you make a different choice than your previous life.
I had lots of those moments recently after I made a choice to walk out of my job, and begin a new career.
@@jeromebullard6123 How did that work out for you? I've been thinking of doing the same but I'm the sold bread winner in a family and have no transferable skills (video editor mainly). Can't really take the hit to start at entry level again. Would love to know how it's gone for you.
I don't know. I could see a universe where Chappie was a little bit better and this guys life is dramatically improved and events altered because of it.
bat whaaai?
Have you seen the video
Elon Musk meets Post Malone
It’s hilarious!! 👽 😂
Scary but amazing times we live in. Military checkpoints will be set up on us homesoil for covid vaccination certification. Camps will be activated. Police state is coming. New world order led by obama and pope francis is coming. Jesus christ is coming back for the rapture. Get ready. Dont believe the coming ufo alien abduction narrative
no doubt.... man take control these movies suck when you let jesus take the wheel
@@daebak7370 whaaaaat?
This guy should go read the Majhima Nikkaya and speak to some Theravada monks, maybe do a vippassana retreat. He seems like hed enjoy it and benefit from it.
I can say almost the same about my dream state. I have the ability to change it if I absolutely mentally push it. However, everything else feels like it’s on a track.
Is it just me, of is Niel loosing his SA accent hehe? He is pulling an Elon. ;)
Is he south African? Because I did notice him say a few words differently like path and set sounded like poth and sat
@@joemores6196 South African-Canadian. So you can hear some stuff he says is more Canadian like especially when he says "been". Some times he sounds full on American others you can hear the South African accent. I thought it was pretty cool. I mean it is a phenomenon where some people loose their accent after moving to another country slowly over time. This happened to Mel Gibson. Arnold Schwarzenegger never lost his haha.
Chaunce = Chance
Yo we're all holograms here for this random guys fake reality. Definitely pass that joint.
Yeah when your a famous person I am sure life does feel like this, when your a normal person working a shit job it feels very different