Nietzsche didn't "believe" in eternal recurrence -- he just used it as a thought experiment for people to figure out whether they're living the life they want. In a way, it's like him asking "If you had to eternally relive your life the same way you've lived it up until now -- would it be a blessing or a curse? What conclusions can you make from this?"
Yeah. That's exactly what Neil said. EDIT- It's disheartening that this comment and many in this thread seem to lack basic listening skills. So I'll help you out - Neil literally says Nietzsche viewed eternal recurrence as a thought experiment TWICE. At 2:00 and 3:58
my last 2 dmt trips were like this. 1 of them, i saw the rest of my life go on and when i came out of it, i felt eternally grateful and so happy to be back in my body in this time. i dont want my life to go on that path. Last night in Joshua Tree, my trip was me being on a conveyor belt going thru my timeline again. when i opened my eyes, there was a pink geometric patterned net in the form of a dome that stretched out for what i can only guess was a few miles. I keep on thinking and saying to myself, "i need to change", "i cant let my life go on like this", and then today, this pops up on my feed... i can't pretend to understand whats going on, but i think its something special and we should all continue to believe we have the ability to create a better version of ourselves.
My trip had conveyor belts in it too. I totally left the entire scope of reality into another separate realm, where I could look down and to the right and see all of my existence. When I left, I saw myself fall and thought, _That's going to hurt!_ Then I was in the separate place. Behind me was a light. The light didn't cast any rays or make any shadows, but if I looked up and to the right I could see it. When I would turn away, I saw no trace of it...but still knew it was there. So I would look again to see if the light was there and sure enough...it was. So I peeked inside the light and say a room that looked like a stereogram. When I began to focus, I could see pillar in all directions and these conveyor belts moving off into the distances towards a light. On the conveyer belts where little jester head heading towards the light. One of them noticed me and I looked away. I thought, _Don't look back there or it'll know._ So I looked back anyway and it saw me. It then floated up to me and began showing me how happy it was I was there and welcomed me. I said, "Nope" When I pulled my head out of the light I began to go down. Kind of like that feeling you get with an elevator, but without any sound or clanking of gears. I was then in a place with demons. They were dark silhouettes in a dark place and the only thing I could see of them were teeth and eyes. Their eyes and teeth looks like the eyes and teeth of the Electric Gremlin in the movie Gremlins 2: The New Batch. Only instead of blue they were the color you see when you close your eyes and press your eyes in a dark room. That color. Then I realized none of the demons couldn't see me. They were snarling and snapping on each other like a zombie hoard. Just billions of them...EVERYWHERE. But they couldn't see me. So I began to walk through them and after a second decided to leave before they "could" see me. So I stepped up out of the place. Just stepped right out of hell, like stepping up on a cross fit block. Then I started to hear my buddy helping me to the grass so I went back to my reality.
“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.” ― Bill Hicks
Why give acid a bad name just cause your a f$cking Doorknob If he thought he could fly .why didn’t he try it from the ground first Now he’s ruined it for everybody..
I remember when i was 18 hanging out at a friends house. I looked up towards the sky and for some reason thinking im gonna be 30 in 12 years, it felt like it would be long time til 30 ... Im 51 now!... time goes bye so fast its mind blowing!
For sure...and the older you get the faster a year goes by...I can’t believe sometimes that something I think happened a year ago actually happened 4 or 5 yrs ago. Especially if you work night shift or swing the time seems to really blow by. I am almost 38 now and being 20 only seems like it was a few years ago..life is short.
@@BFaluup true I work swing shifts but it’s also that our perception of time is relative. When we’re young we haven’t experienced much time so it feels as if it goes by so slow but the more time we experience the less we notice it blowing past us.
And if there's a free will and it's always "same you", you'd be making the same decisions over and over again, and that's how you'd live the same life with the same events every time - I don't know why Joe didn't get that
I think the real burden would be the very realization that your life is infinite and recurring, but you'd have to be absolutely certain about it. Almost as if it is somehow presented to you in a completely noetic fashion.
The scary thing about eternal recurrence is not the idea of having to relive every moment, emotion or scenario, but the fact that eternal recurrence means every moment is meaningful and lives on in eternity.
And the devil; the True Devil will teach you to fear and fight against it, and God will teach you to submit and embrace it. Your perspective will determine if you will experience it as heaven or hell for all of eternity. Which is just an observation, don't take it as truth or anything lol.
I like to mix this story in with the story of the egg. Meaning we will actually reincarnate as every soul to exist. But that we will also do it over and over again for eternity
Or meaningless because there is never a chance to learn or alter the path. I feel like the thought process of believing eternal recurrence is its own sort of prison. If one thought every choice was pre determined because of this life long groundhog day, then you could choose to go play ball, stop dead in your tracks and decide nah, I'm gonna watch a movie instead, then change your mind again and go to the park, no go on a run, wait I'll work on the car, ah fuck it, no matter what I choose its already what I would have chosen no matter what so what's the point of choosing at all? Oh wait, if I don't choose, that's the choice. If I kill myself it just starts again only to end the same way. That way of thinking makes nihilism sound like Saturday morning cartoons in comparison. It could drive a person mad if they lack the mental fortitude. Interesting AF though. Love this stuff
bruh if this shit were true it means a baby that lived for 1 week just constantly dies lol. regardless its extremely unlikely this is true its a philosphical concept/thought experiment. im not sure why this is what this guy chose to literally believe in
I'm pretty sure this was a major theme in "True Detective" S1. Matthew McConaughey's character explains it and then declares "time is a flat circle" while smashing a beer can.
“Look, as sentient meat, however illusory our identities are, we craft those identities by making value judgements. Everybody judges all the time. Now, you got a problem with that, you’re living wrong.” - Rust Cohle
First season was awesome, show went down hill from there. They need another season or movie even with Mathew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson, continuing the same storyline!
What I understood about Nietzsche eternal recurence is that in fact, every moment will repeat itself to inifnity as Neil was describing but I found empowering that I have the will to decide how this moment will be in eternity . It can be paradise or hell. Just ask yourself now, if I´m going to come back to this moment time after time, for all eternity, how I want this moment to be? I rather make it a "good" moment. In that way I escape nihilism.
Kind of like how schizophrenics get into delusional belief systems and create their own subjective hell... Scale that delusion up to a cultural level.. Lol
@@leothesouthpaw if YOU are here for eternity it doesn't matter if this is the first time, or the 983737. But on that aspect , a book written by Anthony Peake, speculates with the eternal return,inmortality, time etc and extends precisely in what you are talking about. The book is called. "Is there life after death?
I don't believe Nietzsche really believed this but merely put it forward as a thought experiment. No one could really believe it all the time or they would either commit suicide or become and automaton and then, feeling this too was a waste of time, a catatonic schizophrenic. Know yourself.
@@jamesong.a.7695 And the worst are those able to convince themselves that their incredulity is just a reaction to incoherence rather than their lack of understanding. That said, he is incoherent in this case.
@@socratese5 Its because you cant prove or disprove solopsism. Its the kind of thing an absolute nutter would believe that doesnt have the capacity to think critically. How would one go about proving everything I consider to be "real" is actually an illusion? Any data you show me as evidence will just be rejected as part of the illusion and not real. Its a lose-lose philosphy that as I said, only actual crazy or extremely stupid people would believe
When Joe asked if he thinks about it during directing I thought he was going to say because what your describing is like a film. The plot is predetermined and yet still has to be acted out and once it's over it can be watched over and over again from a different dimension, expect it's the 3rd dimension looking down onto the 2nd
Except, life isn't a film because we learn. The eternal return is removing experience, learning or consciousness from the equation. I find it amazing that Joe Rogan picks up on this intuitively, when he keeps asking, 'but why can't we learn?'. 99.99% of people don't actually pick up on this from Nietzsche's eternal return.
You're also a nutter if you actually believe in it. You can't prove or disprove it, so its a complete moot point. In which case, why would you lean on the side of it being true for any other reason than to seek attention? Stopped watching after 30 secs.
maybe its like everyone is a single player from their POV and we're all on the same server? or our servers overlap and certain points in time? I dunno man....
One day I was way to high, and had this unshakable awaness, that my entire life was predetermined, and it will repeat over and over, into eternity.And that Deja Vu, was a remembrance of one of the past times you lived this life before.
He’s misrepresenting Nietzsche here imho. Nietzsche’s thought experiment of eternal recurrence was in support of his life affirming philosophy. He expected the average person to first greet the idea with horror, but if you could see this life as something you’d be willing, and even eager, to do it forever, it would be the ultimate expression of life affirmation. And the idea goes back to at least the Greeks, who believed the universe was cyclical. Oddly, if we find that the universe eventually stops expanding and begins to contract, it could actually be true
goes back to the ancient indians, believed every thing on this universe is a cyclical process, there is going to birth for something that is dead and vice versa, the karmic action what you sow is what you reap is a perfect illustration for that.
He may not be expressing the concept perfectly, but he has the right idea... Reread the part where he says, (roughly)"would you fall down gnashing your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus or would you declare, 'you are a god and never have I heard anything more godlike' "... Which is to say once you know your predicament you would realize you can make better choices and live a great life eternally OR one would just feel screwed and(like a fool) continue making the same follies instead of adjusting your life to get the best outcome possible... The latter part of this answer is a simplified version though, pretty sure he meant to express a deep deep horror upon one realizing his burden that he cast upon himself...
I think you're 100% right. I always thought that what Nietzsche meant was that if you look at your life and you want to know if you've lived a good life, then you would have no problem living it over and over again. I think Neill got it wrong, you don't live the same thing forever, you ACT like you will and that will determine how you live your life. What he's saying, doesn't even make sense.
Me and my friend discussed this last time we tripped. literally. this hits the spot and this is what life is narrowed down to being. us just walking into infinite moments that have already happened and are happening all at once
I understand Nietzsche different here though. I do not for a second believe he literally ment or believed that you would eternally relieve the exact same life. Rather I understood it that it would be good or rather Übermensch-like, to try to live your life in such a way that if you had to relieve it the same over and over exactly the same you could accept it. At least that is how I understood it, that one should try to live a life you can so to speak, "stand behind" and affirm if you were ever questioned over it. That of course does not mean one needs to live a perfect life (if there is such a thing), rather that you have a, maybe, lust and passion for life itself. Not to cling to it, but to be able to accept it the way it is.
@@yuumizedong2574 nope, "for extraordinary claim we need extraordinary evidences" so i have question for you where is the proof of eternal recurrence ??
There is a few interpretation of Nietzsche's concept, the main interpretation is not an ontological and metaphysical one about some sort of literal repetition, it is being read as an ethical proposition, live your life with the idea in mind that it could repeat itself over and over again.
@@carlosparra8976 An ontological statement it a statement about the being of something, for exemple, "laws of physics EXISTS outside of our conceptualisation of them". Something ontologically positive is something that exists. Ontology deals with existence. And the proposition that we live our lives over and over again is an ontological one because it implies that Nietzsche thought of the eternal return as something that exists, as something that happens.
I have traveled much in my life and experienced a lot. Many times I have come to serious choke points where major decisions needed to be made. I would like to think that I could have gone one way or another when I reached those points, but deep down inside, when I really examine myself and what else could have happened in those moments, I have to be honest. There was absolutely NO WAY I would have chosen anything other than I did, even the choices that left me alone, or were wasteful in the end in some way. I still can't see myself having done anything different in the end (when I am honest with myself). This fact, combined with Penrose's theory of infinite universal cycles, makes me think about this a lot. Oh, and there have been many important moments in my life that were preceded by a vivid and clear Deja-Vu or a moment from a dream I had years earlier that came true exactly as I had seen it months or years before the situation actually occurred. Also, if you believe that time is infinite, then you believe that we will all be back here one day eventually doing the same things we are right now. On an infinite timescale, it is not only possible, it is inevitable. What Blomkamp is saying in the video, is that we DO have free will, but in the end we actually never use it because of the condition we are in as we live out our lives. After trillions upon trillions of years have gone by since the end of our last iteration to the current one, our souls have literally forgotten the vast majority of what we were and what we did previously. We are lucky that some of us get hints of it at all. I also believe (somewhat) in the Zodiac, but not for mystical reasons. Where we are as we begin to grow in our mother's wombs in relation to the large masses of our solar system could influence how our brains develop along with our genetics. Something to think about.
@@Memememe-is1yn What's most interesting to me about the zodiacs is how accurate the characteristics are amongst the people. Do you think/believe the 13th zodiac actually exists? Asking out of curiosity cause my subconscious won't let me get rid of the thought.
@@Caelum935 Numerology is much more accurate than just zodiac birth month. Look up how to do yours online for free and I guarantee you'll be surprised.
This is a taoist belief and I think it's beautiful, and I do think it makes complete sense. Alan Watts once said "anything that happens once, doesn't happen at all" meaning existence itself is similar to a sine wave rather than a once off occurrence. What a beautiful realization
I find some very *positive* moments in Ketamine Kent, and some where the SAME scene can be positive or negative where the same loop of music( I IDENTIFY IT as NWA's Parental Discretion is advised...but it's like the first time i ever heard it, every time), and the same "scene", I am lying on my back, in the *NEGATIVE* version of this loop of "J'amais Vu" I have been run over while cycling and am lying on my back in a ditch,(in the WORST version I have been run over on purpose and am awaiting the people who did this to finish me off), in the positive version I am lying on top of a MASSIVE structure, while that loop blares, and Airplanes are flying over me in the same direction and style as the end of the movie "Heat", but all is good, all is as it should be, and every loop, and beat and Plane are positive thoughts and words.
"Remember how good the JRE podcast was when Thomas Sowell was a guest?" That's what we'll be saying after Joe has him on. He's over 90 years old. Please make it happen, Joe!
I gotta give you credit. You’ve left this comment on every jre UA-cam clip for a while now. Persistence is a virtue and youve got it. Here’s the issue. Thomas sowell rarely gives interviews. It’s known that it takes people years to cultivate his trust enough to give an interview. Also he doesn’t leave Palo Alto. In order to interview him you have to go to him or do it through zoom. No one would love to see him on here more than me. It’s just not gonna happen. Also he’s 91 years old and I’ve watched every interview he’s done. He’s not gonna do a free form 3 to 4 hour podcast. It’s just not gonna happen. Unfortunate but it’s just the reality of the situation.
@@jensgronning4436 It's worth trying. Maybe he'll make an exception since it's a hugely popular podcast. If not, the only time I've wasted is typing a comment on a UA-cam video lol
Eternal recurrence is tightly related to amor fati. Despite the same tragedy is destined to happen to you given you are you, you still love your life, or you love your fate. This in my measurement takes the utmost courage for any human beings to accept in their souls. There’s is a movie “arrival” by Amy Adams and Jeremy Renner that can be used as an example to explain the idea. The protagonist played by Amy Adams somehow peers into the future through leaning the alien language, and she saw she would have a lovely daughter but her daughter would die of cancer before puberty. At the end of the movie, she accepted her fate and decided to instead of trapping herself into the grief that her daughter would die, she would focus on spending the time with her daughter while she was alive. This, in some form, is closest we can get to embrace amor fati and the determined fate.
This has been talked about for a millenia. The stoics are some of the wisest people to ever exist, from Marcus Aurelius to Seneca. They too believed in a deterministic, looping reality. And designed a philosophy of detachment from the abstract to modify ones perspective on life in the most pragmatic terms. Stoicism has a sage which is to embody true oneness with all your decisions by way of knowing the preordained nature of reality and accepting it. You are a trainer of the body known as yourself. A captain behind the wheel of a ship it envelopes.
@@woodpass choosing to ignores things you can’t change is a choice. Acknowledging that learned experience brought you to that outcome and it was inevitable. But still acknowledging that you still need to decide, even if the choice was decided for you.
@@woodpass that’s part of the paradox of free will. You can’t become catatonic of your bias and experiences. Even genetics play a major role in your course in life. Your attractiveness, your height. All these things are factors when deciding who you’ll be. And news flash, most of them, they aren’t up to you. Especially when we’re vulnerable like children and if your set of circumstances lead you to sadness and no guidance and suddenly you’re 18 with assault on your record, good luck not feeling the weight of capitalism on your shoulders. Good luck finding a job, you’ll resort to crime to get your needs met. Especially if you don’t have a helping hand. Which is generally a part of the reason why creating more equitable environment with more of an incentive on collaboration than competition, would be likely better public health outcomes. Stratify all these variables across all the citizenry of a nation and you’ll see the systemic outcome of public health and crime, intersecting.
@@camb546 free will and determinism are mutually exclusive. You aren’t a victim of your circumstances. You are gifted with the freedom to move within them. Its a tough pill to swallow to acknowledge that your failures weren’t predetermined but entirely your own doing, but it is likewise empowering to know that you create your successes by making good decisions. There is not middle ground, that is called intellectual fence sitting. You are either a predeterministic product of circumstance or you are a sovereign individual with free will and the capacity to choose.
@@branmar5817 "In 10 years, nanobots in your blood might keep you from getting sick or even transmit your thoughts to a wireless cloud. According to some futurists, in the next 10 or so years, your blood could be streaming with tiny nanorobots to help keep you from getting sick or even transmit your thoughts to a wireless cloud."
The first time I ever did acid I had a revelation similar to this. My parents had recently both passed away and I was in a pretty weird headspace, but one night I took like 6 hits of very strong LSD and tried to come to grips with myself over it. At one point I was looking down at my hands and saw they were trembling. Just for a split second, for whatever reason, they looked exactly like my dad's hands. And right then, it hit me. Everything I had ever seen or done or experienced would happen again and again and again until the end of the universe. It was such a fleeting sensation (it lasted less time than it takes to read this sentence) but it was so immensely real, powerful beyond scope, and immeasurably true. One day, not so very long from now, there will be a different (same?) guy with two dead parents tripping his balls off in a dark apartment as he stares wide-eyed at his hands. And another. And then another. And then it was gone. We're talking about a quarter of a second here, but it's not a moment I can forget the significance of. I think I retroactively knew that as it happened - that I would never forget it. In any case, I hope that Nietzsche was wrong and we aren't doomed to cycle through the same bad choices for eternity under the illusory spell of free will. That sounds hella lame, yo.
Man, my views about life and death are a bit different: That free will indeed exists and that we (the universe and existence in general) are inevitable. When we die, an amount of time passes unperceivable to us (the deceased, because our consciousness is gone; dispersed) and we inevitably form into a new consciousness, in a different form, time, place, and possibly, new universe if the universe we once lived in finally dissipated while we were dead. Everyone reading this comment has won the existential lottery by simply existing here, but also this was inevitable. We may experience thousands, if not billions of existences, and even one day, may return to an existence that is almost exactly like this one we have now.
I have always had a similar weird thought that you can't die in your own life. If a deadly experience happens to you, your consciousness seemlessly moves to another reality where you didn't die. When other people die the same thing happens and they continue their life in another reality not knowing the difference, but they're dead in your reality.
I thought that too, but what if something happens to you that you know for sure cant be survived? Like your head getting cut off by a train or something similar?
Anthony Peake says something similar in that your never die in your universe (paraphrasing) I struggle to understand that but its nonetheless fascinating
"In this world, is the destiny of Man controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like The Hand of God, hovering above? At least it is true that Man has no control, even over his own will"
We spiral up till we reach liberation, we do learn from experience, it deep in the soul our tendencies in life and yearning to do better , eventually we all get out, that's the love and grace of the universe .
Yes we repeat with different outcomes based on choices until we "unlock" our ascendance out of this matrix. There are almost limitless outcomes and many ways to reach that unlocking.
@@Aworology323 Read about actually enlightened beings who transcended their body consciousness.. Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, are two main examples in the last 100 years. The book "I AM THAT" is helpful in pointing out what reality is, and what you are.. also what you're not.
I was on board to the point he kind of implies that the universe only repeats in one version. Basically it's similar to a multiverse scenario, where many different versions of you will come to exist, including the version you are now, and ALL versions, or possible timelines, will repeat eternally. (But not necessarily in overlapping realities as multiverse suggests, but could be one at a time as the universe infinitely cycles)
Imagine believing this nonsense then shitting on religion (not saying you are) but damn it I hate anyone who quotes nietzsche without realising the man was a depressed and unhappy person that only created more sad an unhappy people. Science is a religious doctrine at this point. Don't tell me you understand quantum physics when no one does. Its literally the NWO religion and they already back tracking
As a small child, I had precognitive dreams. And déjà vu. And those things made me think about life being lived over and over. And that we were just going to eventually remember it. And my precognitive dreams and déjà vu were the things that allowed me to change or avoid danger. They were events that would trigger a breakthrough, and potential change.
Same here, and I still have those dreams now and then. The weird thing is they're not big events at all, and I barely recognize the situation. Then years later I'm at a place in a situation and I'm like "FUCK! I dreamed this!!!". I don't know what this means at all.
@@MadGeorgeProductions I have that too, happens a few time a year, where i see exactly what i dreamt a while ago, for example, in the first person looking at the desk with a colleague stood to the right and me writing a list, thats a stupid example, but they often are just meaningless things where i suddenly realise "ive dreamt this months ago"
@@jeromebullard6123 How did that work out for you? I've been thinking of doing the same but I'm the sold bread winner in a family and have no transferable skills (video editor mainly). Can't really take the hit to start at entry level again. Would love to know how it's gone for you.
The ending is a quite fascinating way to view life. All possibilities are there from the start and all we do it trim it down. Makes me think of Jordan Peterson's rant about the "adult infant" who prefers to keep all options open. I can relate to the anxiety of choosing, knowing all the other options are lost.
I had a genetics teacher speak of this idea, he elaborated that deja vu was one iteration of yourself actually noticing that you had been there before or experienced that before because you had, many many times before.
Maybe a part of your consciousness or subconsciousness has leapt forward in front of you a few minutes or hours and caught a glimpse of what is coming up .Perhaps this is why you feel like you have done this before . Ever noticed how deja vu seems to happen in ordinary situations ?
I’ve had many dreams of the future since I was small . I generally only remember close to the event usually 6 months later as I’ve gotten older they have become less frequent.
Same with me when i was younger. I cant too much remember many of them but theres one ill never forget. My class had a field trip i believe to a civil war museum and i just remember i dont know if it was in a dream or sometimes i would zone out and start day dreaming but i remembered we were in a line walking to this area in the museum where they had like cottages where i believe slaves lived in but before that we watched a short film but before any of that i just couldn't forget there was a man with a hat just sitting in the museum and i couldn't make out his face and it looked like he had all black on dressed like someone out of a cowboy movie. I feel like he glanced in our direction i cant really remember if he did anything but he was sitting there i dont recall anyone acknowledging him. i never even asked did anyone else see him. Also there was a cannon outside of the building that i remembered seeing before. I dont know what triggered the vision but i feel like it was a connection to the civil war items that were there because alot of things there were real we saw things that day that kids shouldnt see. Me being black seeing how my people lived and were treated the black girls in my class crying we even got to experience cotton picking that day. I have to go back man.
Prophetic dreams give you a glimpse of the literal future. I’ve had them a lot so I get deja vu about the “dreams” if you want to call them that. I don’t know how more people aren’t amazed by prophetic dreams. It’s essentially your mind time traveling.
I was trying to explain this how this happens to me pretty regularly, like I’ll have a dream about whatever, then bam a couple months or even years later I’ll be somewhere, and I feel like a rubber band snaps me back into reality and out of my head for a moment, and it’s I’m sitting in the middle of the exact scene that I dreamt however long ago
@@Ilych367 That’s a great way of describing it. Me and my brother both have this happen pretty often and it’s cool hearing about it from other people. I want to get a whole bunch of us people together, or something that would help us understand just how it’s possible.
Your comment brougth up a deja vu I had maybe 7 years ago when I was about 20. I was going to visit my sister in Malaga Spain, a few weeks before flying over there I told here I had a dream being their with her at the beach/bay walking along the water. When I was there, after having a stop at this frozen yoghurt place, we started to walk back, and suddenly I stopped her when I saw the playing ground from my dreams, and I told her a family would come from the left with a stroller and two kids running towards the red entrance gate. This was so strange when it happened infront of me. I did not even remember the dream until The colourful fence of the playing ground shot me back into it. Weirdest experience ever and it felt so lively, with my eyes staring in front of me but not really seeing reality, all I saw was the dream playing out while it happened in real life
@@thejourneytofreedom9959 Yeah it’s a weird experience. I’ve had A LOT in the past year. Definitely more than 20 I’d say. Some are more intense than others, like the one you had. While some you’ll barely feel the deja vu yet still remember the dream. I’ve also found that sometimes there’ll be slight variations between the dream you had and the actual event. But that’s only been happening recently for me. I want to study why this happens. I really don’t understand why there’s not a ton of coverage on the fact. Our brain is doing time travel and giving us sneak peaks of the future. That’s pretty interesting.
Everything Neil said in this clip is everything I have been thinking and experiencing my whole life, but I never could think of the right words to describe what I was feeling, and Neil really hit nail on the head here.
This is correct. We do repeat this over and over the same way. Even if you think you are changing it... You had already done it that way. I remember every life cycle and it indeed repeats. For the last 2 years I have known every event that will occur and how it will occur and then watched it unfold exactly as I saw it.
Once when on shrooms, my friend and I had a revelation that "it's all circles". And the next day, we laughed about it. But, the older I get, the more I realize I was right.
During my trip/experience, I felt like time is indeed cyclical, but also follows an x axis movement - It's always flowing forward, but flowing forward in a spiral. That's why it never repeats exactly the same, but the general ideas are always eternal.
Even in a physical sense I don't think you're wrong@@jordanhallmark1784, it was explained to me once that satellites in orbit are actually falling in a perfectly straight line, it just appears curved because of gravity is bending spacetime. If spacetime is actually 1 substance I don't see how your trip intuition can't be true
Tripped on shrooms in college. I had this fantastic idea for a movie. I went and got a ream of paper and started drawing each scene. I was at it for hours. I turned from drawing stick figures before shrooms to drawing realistic sketches of people in my movie. Made a script and drew every scene. It was hours upon hours in my head. Woke up the next day to a ream of paper at my desk w/ one piece of paper having drawn some shitty sketch w/ some scribbles next to it……my movie idea will be lost forever.
Please don't ignore the square (screen) that you typed that comment on. Remember, there are no absolute values (like "Its all _____") in infinity. Infinity is true. Math is just a system of of computation; thought. Without intelligent beings to consider it and formulate it, there is no math. The Matrix has you. knock knock..
I can say almost the same about my dream state. I have the ability to change it if I absolutely mentally push it. However, everything else feels like it’s on a track.
People are always overcomplicating Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence. After Nietzsche did away with God, souls, Heaven and Hell, etc., he still had to come up with a philosophical guide for how we should live our lives. So he came up with the Eternal Recurrence. We should live our lives as if we were destined to re-live that same life for an eternity. Whatever it is you're doing now, you should want to do it again in your next life, and the life after that, and so on, forever and ever.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Nietzsche wasn't a Nazi. In fact, he hated Anti-Semites. He also hated German nationalists. The Nazis ignored that part of his philosophy when they adopted it.
Wow, I couldn't agree more. There multiple times in my life where I dream something, and it happens a few weeks or months later. It feels like there's a certain level of free will, but there is still an ultimate current that the universe is flowing in
That was moronic of him, which is weird. Because you don't have memories of those past occurrences, how the fuck do you learn if you just hit the reset button? The concept (when properly explained) aims to explain that, if you can imagine life as being an infinite reset in the same timeline with the same person (you), then you will always make the same choices and relive the same events, because you don't have memories of past occurrences, so you can't change anything, and so does everyone else around you, thus, everything just repeats. But if this was a reality, and someone proved this to you, and showed you the truth, you wouldn't be able to assimilate it and would collapse, probably because you have regrets. So, instead of pondering about whether or not free-will exists, you should live your life as if it did, because in case it doesn't, and life is just a repeating set of set in stone events, you'd want it to be the best set of them you possibly could achieve. It's a thought experiment aimed to make people live the best life they can. Nothing more.
I believe I died in another reality and woke into this one...the day after a tragic event...now this reality and set of choices...feels real! So much so, I am more than ready to end this existence only so I can move to the next!
Dont do anything you idiot. Near death experiences might be what you described, that you die in one universe and in another you just barely survive, but that doesnt mean you should push it. Just make the most of what you have now.
He didn’t explain the idea good enough until the end when speaking on at first you have a million choices when faced with a situation but when you decide on one action then the number of paths you could’ve taken shrinks…it’s like when they say first impressions matter because when you first meet a person there’s a plethora of ways that person can perceive you based on your actions
The idea of the eternal recurrence was not a BELIEF it was a thought experiment. The highest affirmation of life is if a demon said to you "you will relive your life, in the exact same way forever", would you curl in a bawl and curse your fate, or accept it as the ultimate test of belief in your life. It was not meant to be taken literally.
bruh you clearly didn't read Thus Spoke Zarathustra or The Will to Power or you didn't understand them at all. In those books, eternal recurrence is clearly more than a thought experiment.
Its not locked in place, there are infinite possibilities and realities that co exist and already "exist", and throughout your life depending on the choices you make you can experience or "unlock" different outcomes of things different next time. You can experience a lot of those outcomes throughout many many reincarnations until you unlock your ascendance out of that matrix. Otherwise what is the point.
@@jeremydevita4932 that's from the gay science. And I've read them both multiple times. He doesn't call it a thought experiment but I think you're reaching if you think he actually believed it.
Joe you need to invite John Hagelin, physicist, Vedic knowledge expert. He can explain in a super elegant way all the things you discussed here, from the Vedic perspective
This is a perfect example of the Hollywood treatment of anything from history to philosophy: dumb it down, misquote it, and try to sound profound. A+ dude.
He didn’t misquote it? He just just stated that on a very core level, he believes in it himself. Paul Loeb, Professor of Philosophy, visited my class with Gary Shapiro one time to defend this view. He published an excellent book that argues that Nietzsche's theory of the eternal recurrence is actually a legitimate cosmological argument that was meant to be taken literally. Also, Neil is South African/Canadian. Not sure why you’re going on about Hollywood.
@@SallyMankus130 he misquoted Nietzsche, who never put forward the Eternal Return as a metaphysical proposition, rather it was used as a rhetorical device in order to provoke the reader to consider his own actions/life's choices. 'Act as if you were bound to relive you actions over and over for eternity' (the essence of his argument). And to be fair, I didn't "go on" about Hollywood. I only made a single brief comment about it's tendency to dumb down, misquote, misuse history, culture, philosophy, etc. Also, you don't have to be born in America to work in Hollywood. Blomkamp works with all the big U.S. production companies, 20th Century Fox, et al. His career is what roots him in Hollywood. Cheers.
@@m1863m Uh, yeah, he said Nietzsche used it as a thought experiment? Some people are so invested in building a specific narrative that they miss out on certain key details which would force that prior foundation to crumble, you know. And yes, I am more than familiar with it. Lol. That's why I feel as though you should read The Death of Nietzsche's Zarathustra by the celebrated philosophy professor, Paul S. Loeb, who argues that it was more than simply a thought experiment. (By the way, he's not the only one who believes this.) Also, only two out of his five projects were traditional Hollywood productions in that sense. Do you consider auteurs who direct arthouse films that are sold to larger distribution companies Hollywood as well? Would you deny the genius of Kubrick, PTA and Lynch because they've worked with Hollywood? It's certainly not as monolithic as you make it out to be, considering a large portion of cinematic works of art are at least connected to *Hollywood* in that sense and it doesn't fit the criteria that was previously listed, you know. (Unless you're a philistine, I guess but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one.)
"‘This life, as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh.."
I am a diagnosed skitzopheic and I was thinking like this when I had mmy last breakdown I wanted to be born again as someone else or remove myself from the timeline I've had some spiritual experiences that really makes me have faith in a higher power I saw a man made out of stars and he told me everything was going to be okay idk if 8 was dreaming with my eyes open or what but it scared the living shit out of me I started freaking out about who to worship
@Wulfric It’s a complex topic and will try my best to break it down. Eventually quantum computers will get to a place where we can simulate the universe and every atoms action/reaction like the Matrix. It’s like a clock that turns with gears turning each other. Every piece of software written is basically made up of for loops or while loops. We are creatures of habit and Facebook/Google know more about us than we know about ourselves, their algorithms predict our actions and wants which makes their ads business very powerful. It’s honestly kind of a mindfuck how predictable our patterns are.
Live your life like you would like to live it over and over for eternity. Thats how I understand Nietzche Eternal recurrence, the burden comes when you are not living that life
I don't know. I could see a universe where Chappie was a little bit better and this guys life is dramatically improved and events altered because of it.
Scary but amazing times we live in. Military checkpoints will be set up on us homesoil for covid vaccination certification. Camps will be activated. Police state is coming. New world order led by obama and pope francis is coming. Jesus christ is coming back for the rapture. Get ready. Dont believe the coming ufo alien abduction narrative
Eternal Recurrence is an extremely interesting thought experiment. I couldn’t think of a worse hell than to be stuck in essentially the same time loop, making the same mistakes over and over again and never improving my existence into something better than what I am currently living right now. Which is why our memories, experiences, mistakes, and the wisdom we gain from them are so essential to us. Without those things we lack the very ability to make any variability in choice. And at its core it becomes downright terrifying to think how many times I may have written this post before in the past, or what I would conceive as the past anyway. If I had my memories of a past cycle, then my life wouldn’t look anything like it does right now. Is anyone that satisfied with the outcome of their life that they wouldn’t change at least something? With the knowledge that this wasn’t their first go around and all? We would essentially just be 3-dimensional beings living life on repeat, but only observable and understandable from a 4-dimensional perspective. But in that sense, I guess you don’t know what you don’t know. In that vein we must then imagine Sisyphus a very happy man. Because I think there is an ontological difference in repeating everything without the knowledge of doing so for an infinite number of infinities versus being stuck with doing the same task over and over for just one eternity. Because according to Cantor, some infinities are larger/smaller than other infinities. That’s an interesting thought right there. Do these cycles have any variation when measured by linear time? It basically crunches down everything to ignorance is bliss versus a knowable but unchangeable outcome. But it’s like The Game, once you know about Eternal Recurrence then you lose your privilege of the aforementioned ignorance. That’s kind of a mind fuck I’d have to say. And if I just reminded you of The Game, then you just lost as well. Time to hit the restart button until you start thinking of this post again. **EDIT** While typing this out, it glitched out 2 times. So, I opened Word and wrote it a 3rd time. So, every version I wrote was different, and the fact that it happened that many times whilst writing about Eternal Recurrence makes this post an extra mind fuck. How many times did I write three different versions of this over an infinite number of infinities? And which one was the best version, since I lost access to the original two? I think that I need a drink now. Or… again? Do I even get a choice in what I drink this time?
To take your very first point. To have life on repeat can be a hell; it could also be a good thing. However, the fact is that at least a part of life is pre determined. I think that it is a problem when people say that it is 100% determined.
@@SonnyWane I was thinking more like the "Novikov self-consistency principle" of time travel, where even if you tried to kill your grandfather, somehow the timeline would correct itself. Like maybe you went back in time to kill your grandfather, but then time corrects itself and replaces your grandfather with someone who somehow still makes you. Or maybe time keeps you from killing them somehow. Or you get your grandma pregnant instead. Or you go back to the future and hate it so you go back in time again to stop yourself from changing the past. Sometimes it feels like I'm doing something that I know is wrong, and my brain tells me it's wrong, but I keep doing it and going forward with the action, like it's unstoppable. What if at some point in the near future, computer graphics and computing power and computer simulations become so advanced that they rival reality? Like NEO in the matrix learning kung fu in a few seconds... What if we find it most entertaining to live out our ancestors lives? Instead of "Did you see that movie?" the question would be "Did you try living as George Washington yet?" and get an answer like "Yeah actually I did. I was bored and suicidal until my 30's, but then it really picked up." If we were reliving some famous person's life, in an attempt to really understand some boring historical figure or some noteworthy time, we would be bound by certain historical events and then the unknown parts would be filled by free will. You get to do what you feel for the most part, but Abe Lincoln still has to go to that theater. Or you can think of it as you get to run around between missions in any way you want, but each mission in GTA 5 follows a pretty specific chronological blueprint. Everyone plays the mission uniquely, but you still have to hit the proper milestones to complete the mission.
"Someone once told me time is a flat circle. Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again. And that little boy and that little girl, they're gonna be in that room again, and again, and again, forever."
I've found this video because a few days ago, I had this memory or maybe just a dream that I don't remember having, if that makes sense, of being born. When I was born, I was the man I am now but trapped in my baby body. I was fully aware of the events happening around me, I could think just as I do now and understand everything being said but I couldn't do anything or say anything because my undeveloped body wouldn't allow it. It was like being trapped inside someone else's body but it was really my own. I remember thinking "this isn't how it was supposed to be" and "I'll find you again and again if I have to". I'm assuming I was thinking of my wife but I don't honestly know. This dream/memory whatever you want to call it, lead me to this video and it has me thinking. What if it were real? What if, we are trapped inside our own bodies at birth...our soul is the same and the more the body develops, the brain develops...the more we forget who we used to be and start becoming who we are at that time? What if we do have free will but because we can't remember the events in our past life at the time, we keep making the same choices over and over again and believe it's free will but in reality, it's just fate. Would you change anything that has happened in your life? The slightest change to your past and now, your son or daughter isn't born. You never met the love of your life. Would you change anything if you knew it would kill your child by ultimately causing them to never be born again? I would live this life forever just to know the love of my wife and child just once. I would take all the pain and suffering forever just to know that...would you? A little side story...when I was in middle school, I wrote a name on everything. That name had "angel" in it and I knew...without a doubt...that would be the name of my first child; a baby girl. My mother saw it, asked and when I told her it would be the name of my first kid, she laughed it off. Fast forward to after high school...almost a decade later. I was working at a local Kmart and ran into this blonde. She was sitting in the garden section visiting a friend that I worked with. We hit it off and we begin dating within 48hrs. Fast forward again, that young lady gets pregnant and we are picking the name. I've known this name since middle school and tell her. She begins to cry and tells me...."angel" is my mom's maiden name and I always wanted my kid to have her name. I was completely unaware until that moment of her mother's maiden name. That is a 100% true story that my mother and wife can verify. I've now been married 20 years, that first child is now 19 and she has the exact name I wrote in middle school.... her grand mother's maiden name. Just luck, just a coincidence or maybe, just maybe....I've named her a thousand times before and somehow, I know it. Life is fucked up right but it's far better than the alternative. I'm going to love every moment of it for as long as I can and with a little effort, I'm going to try to help others enjoy their time here as well. Who knows...maybe this life is as good as it will ever get forever.
Incredible.
How Joe can weave Jiu Jistu into absolutely any conversation.
Yeah, really! He took a long walk to make an irrelevant reference.
Joe Jitsu
do you train bjj?
@@bossman8066 obviously not 🤣 they train Kungfu
Eternal BJJ Recurrence
Nietzsche didn't "believe" in eternal recurrence -- he just used it as a thought experiment for people to figure out whether they're living the life they want. In a way, it's like him asking "If you had to eternally relive your life the same way you've lived it up until now -- would it be a blessing or a curse? What conclusions can you make from this?"
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That sounds much more probable (& useful).
Nicely explained ty👌
It's a curse damnit!
Yeah. That's exactly what Neil said.
EDIT- It's disheartening that this comment and many in this thread seem to lack basic listening skills. So I'll help you out - Neil literally says Nietzsche viewed eternal recurrence as a thought experiment TWICE. At 2:00 and 3:58
This gives me the message that you should seek to live a life worth living a thousand times.
Except it'll be wayyy more than 1000 and realistically everyone will have ups and downs but they'll be steeper for some.
Guest: Everything repeats itself.
Joe: Jujitsu.
Jiujitsu*
@@undercoverboss543 i’m gonna leave it misspelled so that my lesson.
yeah but what do you even say to that
Guest: Everything repeats itself.
Joe: I have to take a shit...
Joe: let’s keep the viewers and not say things that mean nothing
Ya, everything is everything, pass the joint.
No, but seriously... if you think about it
Well said
Straight up lol
Nothing is everything 👣
Takes a hit…..”wow”
my last 2 dmt trips were like this. 1 of them, i saw the rest of my life go on and when i came out of it, i felt eternally grateful and so happy to be back in my body in this time. i dont want my life to go on that path. Last night in Joshua Tree, my trip was me being on a conveyor belt going thru my timeline again. when i opened my eyes, there was a pink geometric patterned net in the form of a dome that stretched out for what i can only guess was a few miles. I keep on thinking and saying to myself, "i need to change", "i cant let my life go on like this", and then today, this pops up on my feed... i can't pretend to understand whats going on, but i think its something special and we should all continue to believe we have the ability to create a better version of ourselves.
I’m screen shotting this because it just spoke to me in a way that I can’t even describe
@@jacoborndorff6270
But, did you at least see the Joshua Tree?
My trip had conveyor belts in it too. I totally left the entire scope of reality into another separate realm, where I could look down and to the right and see all of my existence. When I left, I saw myself fall and thought, _That's going to hurt!_ Then I was in the separate place. Behind me was a light. The light didn't cast any rays or make any shadows, but if I looked up and to the right I could see it. When I would turn away, I saw no trace of it...but still knew it was there. So I would look again to see if the light was there and sure enough...it was. So I peeked inside the light and say a room that looked like a stereogram. When I began to focus, I could see pillar in all directions and these conveyor belts moving off into the distances towards a light. On the conveyer belts where little jester head heading towards the light. One of them noticed me and I looked away. I thought, _Don't look back there or it'll know._ So I looked back anyway and it saw me. It then floated up to me and began showing me how happy it was I was there and welcomed me. I said, "Nope"
When I pulled my head out of the light I began to go down. Kind of like that feeling you get with an elevator, but without any sound or clanking of gears. I was then in a place with demons. They were dark silhouettes in a dark place and the only thing I could see of them were teeth and eyes. Their eyes and teeth looks like the eyes and teeth of the Electric Gremlin in the movie Gremlins 2: The New Batch. Only instead of blue they were the color you see when you close your eyes and press your eyes in a dark room. That color. Then I realized none of the demons couldn't see me. They were snarling and snapping on each other like a zombie hoard. Just billions of them...EVERYWHERE. But they couldn't see me. So I began to walk through them and after a second decided to leave before they "could" see me. So I stepped up out of the place. Just stepped right out of hell, like stepping up on a cross fit block.
Then I started to hear my buddy helping me to the grass so I went back to my reality.
JESUS CHRIST IS LORD
GOD BLESS OUR SOULS
this is like one of those late night discussions you have at a cosplay techno festival with a night elf and a dude in a dinosaur costume.
More like furry festival. Ew.
yeah, thanks you are here because I created you in my soliplistic mind
Lmfao this is hella specific 🤣
Have you seen the video
Joe Rogan gets mad at Alex Jones
It’s hilarious! 😡 😂
Oddly specific
“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.” ― Bill Hicks
Dreaming of that face again
Thats an actually quote? I've only ever heard it from tools song third eye
Did you see this clip of Alex Jones making fun of Joe?! Joe gets pissed! ua-cam.com/video/L5qynOa-mKo/v-deo.html
Why give acid a bad name just cause your a f$cking Doorknob
If he thought he could fly .why didn’t he try it from the ground first
Now he’s ruined it for everybody..
Featured in "Third Eye" by Tool
I remember when i was 18 hanging out at a friends house. I looked up towards the sky and for some reason thinking im gonna be 30 in 12 years, it felt like it would be long time til 30 ... Im 51 now!... time goes bye so fast its mind blowing!
Fuck man I’m 18 now 😂
For sure...and the older you get the faster a year goes by...I can’t believe sometimes that something I think happened a year ago actually happened 4 or 5 yrs ago. Especially if you work night shift or swing the time seems to really blow by. I am almost 38 now and being 20 only seems like it was a few years ago..life is short.
Perhaps we get too busy workin and stop livin
The days go slower and the years go faster
@@BFaluup true I work swing shifts but it’s also that our perception of time is relative. When we’re young we haven’t experienced much time so it feels as if it goes by so slow but the more time we experience the less we notice it blowing past us.
Living your life on a loop wouldnt be a burden, because each loop would feel like the first time.
And if there's a free will and it's always "same you", you'd be making the same decisions over and over again, and that's how you'd live the same life with the same events every time - I don't know why Joe didn't get that
I think the real burden would be the very realization that your life is infinite and recurring, but you'd have to be absolutely certain about it. Almost as if it is somehow presented to you in a completely noetic fashion.
Exactly
Living in the loop wouldn't be the unbearable burden. Being convinced of it would be.
thats the definition of insanity according to einstein
This is how I be talking to my girl on the phone after I just smoked a blunt 😭😭
That's what they did. Everyone on the podcast is contractually obligated to blaze a blunt first.
No, what you do is bs not this
Bro I do the same shit 😭 my girl don’t smoke so she be tight at me saying I’m always talking shit😭
@@OfficialGOD You don’t know me. Stfu
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The scary thing about eternal recurrence is not the idea of having to relive every moment, emotion or scenario, but the fact that eternal recurrence means every moment is meaningful and lives on in eternity.
And the devil; the True Devil will teach you to fear and fight against it, and God will teach you to submit and embrace it. Your perspective will determine if you will experience it as heaven or hell for all of eternity.
Which is just an observation, don't take it as truth or anything lol.
I like to mix this story in with the story of the egg. Meaning we will actually reincarnate as every soul to exist. But that we will also do it over and over again for eternity
I find that idea way more comforting than scary.
Or meaningless because there is never a chance to learn or alter the path. I feel like the thought process of believing eternal recurrence is its own sort of prison. If one thought every choice was pre determined because of this life long groundhog day, then you could choose to go play ball, stop dead in your tracks and decide nah, I'm gonna watch a movie instead, then change your mind again and go to the park, no go on a run, wait I'll work on the car, ah fuck it, no matter what I choose its already what I would have chosen no matter what so what's the point of choosing at all? Oh wait, if I don't choose, that's the choice. If I kill myself it just starts again only to end the same way.
That way of thinking makes nihilism sound like Saturday morning cartoons in comparison. It could drive a person mad if they lack the mental fortitude.
Interesting AF though. Love this stuff
bruh if this shit were true it means a baby that lived for 1 week just constantly dies lol. regardless its extremely unlikely this is true its a philosphical concept/thought experiment. im not sure why this is what this guy chose to literally believe in
I find it amusing people's absurdly confident grasp on life time etc. When they are financially comfortable
Life is intricately beautiful and full of amazing things... when you have shitloads of money and free time to do drugs in your suite all day.
Lol.
When you are not desperatley trying to survive, you finally have the time and energy to focus on philosophy. That doesn't mean he is wrong though
@@BB-ty6iy He admitted it's a paradox, tho.
@@damyr it's not a paradox, he just fails to explain it.
I'm pretty sure this was a major theme in "True Detective" S1. Matthew McConaughey's character explains it and then declares "time is a flat circle" while smashing a beer can.
“Look, as sentient meat, however illusory our identities are, we craft those identities by making value judgements. Everybody judges all the time. Now, you got a problem with that, you’re living wrong.” - Rust Cohle
Maybe the best first season of any show, ever.
Well he got that line that time is a flat circle from a Satanist sociopath, so maybe true detective is a critique of that idea.
First season was awesome, show went down hill from there. They need another season or movie even with Mathew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson, continuing the same storyline!
@@MR_Wild the story line is over. It’s concluded.
One second into the video:
"The universe is a hologram."
Well, I guess it's good to see the Joe Rogan Experience hasn't changed.
Ok
"Someone once told me time is a flat circle." * smashes the beer can *
Hahaha, on his head even
*Flips open pocket knife*
First thing that popped into my head watching this 😂
Yessss
Matter in a superposition of every place it ever occupied, our sentience just cycling through our lives like carts on a track.
What I understood about Nietzsche eternal recurence is that in fact, every moment will repeat itself to inifnity as Neil was describing but I found empowering that I have the will to decide how this moment will be in eternity . It can be paradise or hell. Just ask yourself now, if I´m going to come back to this moment time after time, for all eternity, how I want this moment to be? I rather make it a "good" moment. In that way I escape nihilism.
Kind of like how schizophrenics get into delusional belief systems and create their own subjective hell... Scale that delusion up to a cultural level.. Lol
how are we supposed to know this is the first time around, what if we’ve been reliving this shit for billions of years or whatever
@@leothesouthpaw if YOU are here for eternity it doesn't matter if this is the first time, or the 983737.
But on that aspect , a book written by Anthony Peake, speculates with the eternal return,inmortality, time etc and extends precisely in what you are talking about. The book is called. "Is there life after death?
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I don't believe Nietzsche really believed this but merely put it forward as a thought experiment. No one could really believe it all the time or they would either commit suicide or become and automaton and then, feeling this too was a waste of time, a catatonic schizophrenic.
Know yourself.
Another "deep thinker" who has succeeded in confusing himself.
The best “deep thinkers” are the ones able to convince the rest of us they aren’t confused, we’re just too dumb…
@@jamesong.a.7695 And the worst are those able to convince themselves that their incredulity is just a reaction to incoherence rather than their lack of understanding.
That said, he is incoherent in this case.
Lol for fuckin real
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What about the timeline. Does it restart again in the same year you were born? Or do you get to live in the next era etc?
This guy manages to say a lot without really explaining anything in detail.
Have you seen the video
Elon Musk meets Post Malone
It’s hilarious!! 👽 😂
@@kevinpham8761 I'll check it out
It’s because he doesn’t really give proof or explain well why he believes what he believes
@@socratese5 Its because you cant prove or disprove solopsism. Its the kind of thing an absolute nutter would believe that doesnt have the capacity to think critically.
How would one go about proving everything I consider to be "real" is actually an illusion? Any data you show me as evidence will just be rejected as part of the illusion and not real. Its a lose-lose philosphy that as I said, only actual crazy or extremely stupid people would believe
Just a bunch of psycho babble.
When Joe asked if he thinks about it during directing I thought he was going to say because what your describing is like a film. The plot is predetermined and yet still has to be acted out and once it's over it can be watched over and over again from a different dimension, expect it's the 3rd dimension looking down onto the 2nd
This was deep asf
@@NinoVerse22 asf deep was this ?
Except, life isn't a film because we learn. The eternal return is removing experience, learning or consciousness from the equation. I find it amazing that Joe Rogan picks up on this intuitively, when he keeps asking, 'but why can't we learn?'. 99.99% of people don't actually pick up on this from Nietzsche's eternal return.
Joe laughing at 3:43 after such a mind-bending question was the most comforting laugh I’ve ever heard
I would love to see a conference of solopocists and see them debate who is the real one
Can't help but think of the spider man double meme lol
Lol 😂
You're also a nutter if you actually believe in it. You can't prove or disprove it, so its a complete moot point. In which case, why would you lean on the side of it being true for any other reason than to seek attention? Stopped watching after 30 secs.
maybe its like everyone is a single player from their POV and we're all on the same server? or our servers overlap and certain points in time? I dunno man....
It's me
One day I was way to high, and had this unshakable awaness, that my entire life was predetermined, and it will repeat over and over, into eternity.And that Deja Vu, was a remembrance of one of the past times you lived this life before.
Book: Journey of Souls
Does it repeat for you. Or for evey one though
I've been there.
I watched Source Code and Deja Vu too...
He’s misrepresenting Nietzsche here imho. Nietzsche’s thought experiment of eternal recurrence was in support of his life affirming philosophy. He expected the average person to first greet the idea with horror, but if you could see this life as something you’d be willing, and even eager, to do it forever, it would be the ultimate expression of life affirmation.
And the idea goes back to at least the Greeks, who believed the universe was cyclical. Oddly, if we find that the universe eventually stops expanding and begins to contract, it could actually be true
What's this "we" business. I'm not a scientist
goes back to the ancient indians, believed every thing on this universe is a cyclical process, there is going to birth for something that is dead and vice versa, the karmic action what you sow is what you reap is a perfect illustration for that.
He may not be expressing the concept perfectly, but he has the right idea... Reread the part where he says, (roughly)"would you fall down gnashing your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus or would you declare, 'you are a god and never have I heard anything more godlike' "... Which is to say once you know your predicament you would realize you can make better choices and live a great life eternally OR one would just feel screwed and(like a fool) continue making the same follies instead of adjusting your life to get the best outcome possible... The latter part of this answer is a simplified version though, pretty sure he meant to express a deep deep horror upon one realizing his burden that he cast upon himself...
If I had 50,000,000,000 lives until this universe stopped expanding and started retracting to start phase two at halfway into the bang of the next....
I think you're 100% right. I always thought that what Nietzsche meant was that if you look at your life and you want to know if you've lived a good life, then you would have no problem living it over and over again. I think Neill got it wrong, you don't live the same thing forever, you ACT like you will and that will determine how you live your life. What he's saying, doesn't even make sense.
Me and my friend discussed this last time we tripped. literally. this hits the spot and this is what life is narrowed down to being. us just walking into infinite moments that have already happened and are happening all at once
I understand Nietzsche different here though. I do not for a second believe he literally ment or believed that you would eternally relieve the exact same life. Rather I understood it that it would be good or rather Übermensch-like, to try to live your life in such a way that if you had to relieve it the same over and over exactly the same you could accept it. At least that is how I understood it, that one should try to live a life you can so to speak, "stand behind" and affirm if you were ever questioned over it. That of course does not mean one needs to live a perfect life (if there is such a thing), rather that you have a, maybe, lust and passion for life itself. Not to cling to it, but to be able to accept it the way it is.
@@TheGuyAlwaysOnTime you don't think it could be a reality right? Cosmologically?
What.??
@@yuumizedong2574 nope, "for extraordinary claim we need extraordinary evidences" so i have question for you where is the proof of eternal recurrence ??
I appreciate the curation of these thoughts and the fact that this conversation is being had. ❤️
Read books ✌️
@@angelozachos8777 get some
he’s literally explaining the plot to almost every Christopher Nolan film
😄
Or the ending of Kubrick's Space Odyssey, of which Nolan's narrative concepts are mostly informed, or influenced by.
Not batman tho lol
Ok
There is a few interpretation of Nietzsche's concept, the main interpretation is not an ontological and metaphysical one about some sort of literal repetition, it is being read as an ethical proposition, live your life with the idea in mind that it could repeat itself over and over again.
hey, actual question here. What does ontological mean?
You are right. It should be looked at as a thought experiment. Live your life as if....
@@vedrantomic1329 exactly, it would be unlike Nietzsche to make a metaphysical /ontological proposition like this
@@carlosparra8976 An ontological statement it a statement about the being of something, for exemple, "laws of physics EXISTS outside of our conceptualisation of them". Something ontologically positive is something that exists. Ontology deals with existence. And the proposition that we live our lives over and over again is an ontological one because it implies that Nietzsche thought of the eternal return as something that exists, as something that happens.
@@carlosparra8976 To TL;DR Luigi -- topics generally dealing with the nature of objective reality.
I have traveled much in my life and experienced a lot. Many times I have come to serious choke points where major decisions needed to be made. I would like to think that I could have gone one way or another when I reached those points, but deep down inside, when I really examine myself and what else could have happened in those moments, I have to be honest. There was absolutely NO WAY I would have chosen anything other than I did, even the choices that left me alone, or were wasteful in the end in some way. I still can't see myself having done anything different in the end (when I am honest with myself). This fact, combined with Penrose's theory of infinite universal cycles, makes me think about this a lot. Oh, and there have been many important moments in my life that were preceded by a vivid and clear Deja-Vu or a moment from a dream I had years earlier that came true exactly as I had seen it months or years before the situation actually occurred.
Also, if you believe that time is infinite, then you believe that we will all be back here one day eventually doing the same things we are right now. On an infinite timescale, it is not only possible, it is inevitable. What Blomkamp is saying in the video, is that we DO have free will, but in the end we actually never use it because of the condition we are in as we live out our lives. After trillions upon trillions of years have gone by since the end of our last iteration to the current one, our souls have literally forgotten the vast majority of what we were and what we did previously. We are lucky that some of us get hints of it at all.
I also believe (somewhat) in the Zodiac, but not for mystical reasons. Where we are as we begin to grow in our mother's wombs in relation to the large masses of our solar system could influence how our brains develop along with our genetics. Something to think about.
Believing in the zodiac just made all your thoughts worthless
@@godsmarine5734 You didn't read the why did you?
@@Memememe-is1yn What's most interesting to me about the zodiacs is how accurate the characteristics are amongst the people.
Do you think/believe the 13th zodiac actually exists? Asking out of curiosity cause my subconscious won't let me get rid of the thought.
@@Caelum935 Numerology is much more accurate than just zodiac birth month. Look up how to do yours online for free and I guarantee you'll be surprised.
I can wrap my head around this.
This is a taoist belief and I think it's beautiful, and I do think it makes complete sense. Alan Watts once said "anything that happens once, doesn't happen at all" meaning existence itself is similar to a sine wave rather than a once off occurrence.
What a beautiful realization
Ketamine does this when you fall in a hole. You feel like you're stuck there forever doomed to repeat these moments forever.
100%
Nietzsche was in a K hole all this time? damn..
That's what a k hole is ? I smoked k2 once and was stuck in the same couple conversation loops for what felt like hours. It was torture
espacially if you do it with N2O man it turns into a fucking dmt khole trip
I find some very *positive* moments in Ketamine Kent, and some where the SAME scene can be positive or negative where the same loop of music( I IDENTIFY IT as NWA's Parental Discretion is advised...but it's like the first time i ever heard it, every time), and the same "scene", I am lying on my back, in the *NEGATIVE* version of this loop of "J'amais Vu"
I have been run over while cycling and am lying on my back in a ditch,(in the WORST version I have been run over on purpose and am awaiting the people who did this to finish me off), in the positive version I am lying on top of a MASSIVE structure, while that loop blares, and Airplanes are flying over me in the same direction and style as the end of the movie "Heat", but all is good, all is as it should be, and every loop, and beat and Plane are positive thoughts and words.
"Remember how good the JRE podcast was when Thomas Sowell was a guest?"
That's what we'll be saying after Joe has him on. He's over 90 years old. Please make it happen, Joe!
Have you seen the video
Elon Musk meets Post Malone
It’s hilarious!! 👽 😂
I gotta give you credit. You’ve left this comment on every jre UA-cam clip for a while now. Persistence is a virtue and youve got it. Here’s the issue. Thomas sowell rarely gives interviews. It’s known that it takes people years to cultivate his trust enough to give an interview. Also he doesn’t leave Palo Alto. In order to interview him you have to go to him or do it through zoom. No one would love to see him on here more than me. It’s just not gonna happen. Also he’s 91 years old and I’ve watched every interview he’s done. He’s not gonna do a free form 3 to 4 hour podcast. It’s just not gonna happen. Unfortunate but it’s just the reality of the situation.
@@jensgronning4436 It's worth trying. Maybe he'll make an exception since it's a hugely popular podcast. If not, the only time I've wasted is typing a comment on a UA-cam video lol
You guys have no idea how much I cry that Man is so old
This is the type of conversation I watch JRE for.
Eternal recurrence is tightly related to amor fati. Despite the same tragedy is destined to happen to you given you are you, you still love your life, or you love your fate. This in my measurement takes the utmost courage for any human beings to accept in their souls. There’s is a movie “arrival” by Amy Adams and Jeremy Renner that can be used as an example to explain the idea. The protagonist played by Amy Adams somehow peers into the future through leaning the alien language, and she saw she would have a lovely daughter but her daughter would die of cancer before puberty. At the end of the movie, she accepted her fate and decided to instead of trapping herself into the grief that her daughter would die, she would focus on spending the time with her daughter while she was alive. This, in some form, is closest we can get to embrace amor fati and the determined fate.
Exactly! To be a ''yes'' sayer to life itself. To say ''One more time'' when you are about to die is to have lived meaningful and as one ought!
This conversation is about as profound and novel as a philosophy 1 midterm essay at a community college
Thank you! I’m losing brain cells watching JRE, and I’m not even laughing. Can’t someone make it on the show who has something interesting to say?
I feel like i was slapped with bologna while listening to the morons i did drugs with in high school. Couldn't agree more.
Can you really judge someone for having a point of view though..?
@@theautodan7095 I expect more from the show. I learned nothing and I watched the whole podcast. It was a waste of time.
Nerd
This has been talked about for a millenia. The stoics are some of the wisest people to ever exist, from Marcus Aurelius to Seneca. They too believed in a deterministic, looping reality. And designed a philosophy of detachment from the abstract to modify ones perspective on life in the most pragmatic terms.
Stoicism has a sage which is to embody true oneness with all your decisions by way of knowing the preordained nature of reality and accepting it. You are a trainer of the body known as yourself. A captain behind the wheel of a ship it envelopes.
Determinism doesn’t involve decisions
@@woodpass choosing to ignores things you can’t change is a choice. Acknowledging that learned experience brought you to that outcome and it was inevitable. But still acknowledging that you still need to decide, even if the choice was decided for you.
@@woodpass that’s part of the paradox of free will. You can’t become catatonic of your bias and experiences. Even genetics play a major role in your course in life. Your attractiveness, your height. All these things are factors when deciding who you’ll be. And news flash, most of them, they aren’t up to you. Especially when we’re vulnerable like children and if your set of circumstances lead you to sadness and no guidance and suddenly you’re 18 with assault on your record, good luck not feeling the weight of capitalism on your shoulders. Good luck finding a job, you’ll resort to crime to get your needs met. Especially if you don’t have a helping hand. Which is generally a part of the reason why creating more equitable environment with more of an incentive on collaboration than competition, would be likely better public health outcomes. Stratify all these variables across all the citizenry of a nation and you’ll see the systemic outcome of public health and crime, intersecting.
@@camb546 free will and determinism are mutually exclusive. You aren’t a victim of your circumstances. You are gifted with the freedom to move within them. Its a tough pill to swallow to acknowledge that your failures weren’t predetermined but entirely your own doing, but it is likewise empowering to know that you create your successes by making good decisions. There is not middle ground, that is called intellectual fence sitting. You are either a predeterministic product of circumstance or you are a sovereign individual with free will and the capacity to choose.
I like this guy. He's like a nicer well adjusted Rust Cohle.
Well put
Tiiime is a flat circle
Great analogy. Rust was one of my favorite characters ever. His arc completely broke me
Given how long it’s taken me to reconcile my nature, I don’t figure I’d forgo it on your account, Jeff.
Hegel said "The only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
Love this discussion! Missing quality discussions like this for a long time!! Duncan used to riff on these...
My favorite thing about the simulation is when I'm thinking about some wild shit and the topic comes up on jre a few days later
synchronicities
Same
Another dope who saw The Matrix and believes in a "Simulation"
@@Valkonnen slow down man, I don't believe in anything. Just thought it was funny.
@@branmar5817
"In 10 years, nanobots in your blood might keep you from getting sick or even transmit your thoughts to a wireless cloud. According to some futurists, in the next 10 or so years, your blood could be streaming with tiny nanorobots to help keep you from getting sick or even transmit your thoughts to a wireless cloud."
I’m not so sure this guy totally understands his theory. He’s almost convincing himself as he explains it to Joe.
Me either
Every physics professor does the same thing until they tell their theory enough times.
It's hard to grasp, I don't entirely grasp it. But I think he has a good idea of it.
These are my thoughts just about every time I hear an “intellectual” speak on a “theory” of theirs these days…
@@jamesong.a.7695 critical race theory, for example…
The first time I ever did acid I had a revelation similar to this. My parents had recently both passed away and I was in a pretty weird headspace, but one night I took like 6 hits of very strong LSD and tried to come to grips with myself over it. At one point I was looking down at my hands and saw they were trembling. Just for a split second, for whatever reason, they looked exactly like my dad's hands. And right then, it hit me. Everything I had ever seen or done or experienced would happen again and again and again until the end of the universe. It was such a fleeting sensation (it lasted less time than it takes to read this sentence) but it was so immensely real, powerful beyond scope, and immeasurably true. One day, not so very long from now, there will be a different (same?) guy with two dead parents tripping his balls off in a dark apartment as he stares wide-eyed at his hands. And another. And then another. And then it was gone. We're talking about a quarter of a second here, but it's not a moment I can forget the significance of. I think I retroactively knew that as it happened - that I would never forget it. In any case, I hope that Nietzsche was wrong and we aren't doomed to cycle through the same bad choices for eternity under the illusory spell of free will. That sounds hella lame, yo.
One of my favorite directors right here!
Be honest. Did u enjoy Chappie?
@@game_theory2547 what? I fuckin love that movie
Man, my views about life and death are a bit different: That free will indeed exists and that we (the universe and existence in general) are inevitable. When we die, an amount of time passes unperceivable to us (the deceased, because our consciousness is gone; dispersed) and we inevitably form into a new consciousness, in a different form, time, place, and possibly, new universe if the universe we once lived in finally dissipated while we were dead. Everyone reading this comment has won the existential lottery by simply existing here, but also this was inevitable. We may experience thousands, if not billions of existences, and even one day, may return to an existence that is almost exactly like this one we have now.
Sounds more or less like reincarnation.
@@Garrus1995 Yup, pretty much reincarnation that cuts out the religious/fantasy aspect, I suppose
@@chillpenguin7679 reincarnation seems pretty fantasy to me
I can dig it
@@chillpenguin7679 But what is it that transfers? What is this soul substance that can disperse? What can cause it to reform?
I have always had a similar weird thought that you can't die in your own life. If a deadly experience happens to you, your consciousness seemlessly moves to another reality where you didn't die. When other people die the same thing happens and they continue their life in another reality not knowing the difference, but they're dead in your reality.
Foolish
I thought that too, but what if something happens to you that you know for sure cant be survived? Like your head getting cut off by a train or something similar?
Anthony Peake says something similar in that your never die in your universe (paraphrasing) I struggle to understand that but its nonetheless fascinating
@@MonroeSim How is eternal oblivion or Heaven and Hell not foolish?
@@cashthecurator666 eternal oblivion is just needlessly depressing, only miserable atheists would believe in something so dark
This reminds me so much of the manga, Berserk. RIP Kentaro Miura
"In this world, is the destiny of Man controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like The Hand of God, hovering above? At least it is true that Man has no control, even over his own will"
Love Neill Blomkamp movies.
Disctrict 9 is one my top Sci-Fi movie ever!
Is this why I get deja vu like 15 times a day?!
I’m glad to hear I’m not the only one with these thoughts.
I wouldn't share that with anyone
Reality being a dream, is the core of most Eastern spiritual traditions. Look into it
We spiral up till we reach liberation, we do learn from experience, it deep in the soul our tendencies in life and yearning to do better , eventually we all get out, that's the love and grace of the universe .
Yes we repeat with different outcomes based on choices until we "unlock" our ascendance out of this matrix. There are almost limitless outcomes and many ways to reach that unlocking.
How do you know this?
@@Aworology323 lol I don't know anything more then my experience. Read the vedas, the Bible, the Gita ..look inside.
82'ers know whats up.
@@Aworology323 Read about actually enlightened beings who transcended their body consciousness.. Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, are two main examples in the last 100 years. The book "I AM THAT" is helpful in pointing out what reality is, and what you are.. also what you're not.
I was on board to the point he kind of implies that the universe only repeats in one version. Basically it's similar to a multiverse scenario, where many different versions of you will come to exist, including the version you are now, and ALL versions, or possible timelines, will repeat eternally. (But not necessarily in overlapping realities as multiverse suggests, but could be one at a time as the universe infinitely cycles)
Imagine believing this nonsense then shitting on religion (not saying you are) but damn it I hate anyone who quotes nietzsche without realising the man was a depressed and unhappy person that only created more sad an unhappy people. Science is a religious doctrine at this point. Don't tell me you understand quantum physics when no one does. Its literally the NWO religion and they already back tracking
As a small child, I had precognitive dreams. And déjà vu. And those things made me think about life being lived over and over. And that we were just going to eventually remember it. And my precognitive dreams and déjà vu were the things that allowed me to change or avoid danger. They were events that would trigger a breakthrough, and potential change.
Same here, and I still have those dreams now and then. The weird thing is they're not big events at all, and I barely recognize the situation. Then years later I'm at a place in a situation and I'm like "FUCK! I dreamed this!!!". I don't know what this means at all.
@@MadGeorgeProductions I have that too, happens a few time a year, where i see exactly what i dreamt a while ago, for example, in the first person looking at the desk with a colleague stood to the right and me writing a list, thats a stupid example, but they often are just meaningless things where i suddenly realise "ive dreamt this months ago"
I think deja vu happens when you make a different choice than your previous life.
I had lots of those moments recently after I made a choice to walk out of my job, and begin a new career.
@@jeromebullard6123 How did that work out for you? I've been thinking of doing the same but I'm the sold bread winner in a family and have no transferable skills (video editor mainly). Can't really take the hit to start at entry level again. Would love to know how it's gone for you.
The ending is a quite fascinating way to view life. All possibilities are there from the start and all we do it trim it down. Makes me think of Jordan Peterson's rant about the "adult infant" who prefers to keep all options open. I can relate to the anxiety of choosing, knowing all the other options are lost.
@4Freedom4All Well duh.
Low key one of the best Rogan episodes in the past few years ngl
Do you still go around saying low key and ngl, you fuuuuucking dork you? 🤠
"Time is a flat circle."
-Rust Cohle
true
I was waiting for someone to make that comment.
Finally I found someone who has this thought as well, I been thinking about how time ends and starts over since I was kid.
You gotta read Nietzsche!
I had a genetics teacher speak of this idea, he elaborated that deja vu was one iteration of yourself actually noticing that you had been there before or experienced that before because you had, many many times before.
He should keep to genetics instead of neuronscience
Maybe a part of your consciousness or subconsciousness has leapt forward in front of you a few minutes or hours and caught a glimpse of what is coming up .Perhaps this is why you feel like you have done this before . Ever noticed how deja vu seems to happen in ordinary situations ?
I’ve had many dreams of the future since I was small . I generally only remember close to the event usually 6 months later as I’ve gotten older they have become less frequent.
Who’s going to win the super bowl?
Because you are less connected to yourself > but you can cultivate your dreams
@@aaronsimone8647 tampa baby
Sounds like you might be a prophet, try a sensory deprivation tank. Might be able to tap into that ability again
Same with me when i was younger. I cant too much remember many of them but theres one ill never forget. My class had a field trip i believe to a civil war museum and i just remember i dont know if it was in a dream or sometimes i would zone out and start day dreaming but i remembered we were in a line walking to this area in the museum where they had like cottages where i believe slaves lived in but before that we watched a short film but before any of that i just couldn't forget there was a man with a hat just sitting in the museum and i couldn't make out his face and it looked like he had all black on dressed like someone out of a cowboy movie. I feel like he glanced in our direction i cant really remember if he did anything but he was sitting there i dont recall anyone acknowledging him. i never even asked did anyone else see him. Also there was a cannon outside of the building that i remembered seeing before.
I dont know what triggered the vision but i feel like it was a connection to the civil war items that were there because alot of things there were real we saw things that day that kids shouldnt see. Me being black seeing how my people lived and were treated the black girls in my class crying we even got to experience cotton picking that day. I have to go back man.
When history is deleted, you’re bound to repeat it.
Prophetic dreams give you a glimpse of the literal future. I’ve had them a lot so I get deja vu about the “dreams” if you want to call them that. I don’t know how more people aren’t amazed by prophetic dreams. It’s essentially your mind time traveling.
I was trying to explain this how this happens to me pretty regularly, like I’ll have a dream about whatever, then bam a couple months or even years later I’ll be somewhere, and I feel like a rubber band snaps me back into reality and out of my head for a moment, and it’s I’m sitting in the middle of the exact scene that I dreamt however long ago
@@Ilych367 That’s a great way of describing it. Me and my brother both have this happen pretty often and it’s cool hearing about it from other people. I want to get a whole bunch of us people together, or something that would help us understand just how it’s possible.
Your comment brougth up a deja vu I had maybe 7 years ago when I was about 20. I was going to visit my sister in Malaga Spain, a few weeks before flying over there I told here I had a dream being their with her at the beach/bay walking along the water. When I was there, after having a stop at this frozen yoghurt place, we started to walk back, and suddenly I stopped her when I saw the playing ground from my dreams, and I told her a family would come from the left with a stroller and two kids running towards the red entrance gate. This was so strange when it happened infront of me. I did not even remember the dream until The colourful fence of the playing ground shot me back into it. Weirdest experience ever and it felt so lively, with my eyes staring in front of me but not really seeing reality, all I saw was the dream playing out while it happened in real life
@@thejourneytofreedom9959 Yeah it’s a weird experience. I’ve had A LOT in the past year. Definitely more than 20 I’d say. Some are more intense than others, like the one you had. While some you’ll barely feel the deja vu yet still remember the dream. I’ve also found that sometimes there’ll be slight variations between the dream you had and the actual event. But that’s only been happening recently for me. I want to study why this happens. I really don’t understand why there’s not a ton of coverage on the fact. Our brain is doing time travel and giving us sneak peaks of the future. That’s pretty interesting.
or to a possible reality
Everything Neil said in this clip is everything I have been thinking and experiencing my whole life, but I never could think of the right words to describe what I was feeling, and Neil really hit nail on the head here.
I've bad news for you: he doesn't know what he's talking about.
@@PawelGrzelak hahahahha ! ouch!
This is correct. We do repeat this over and over the same way. Even if you think you are changing it... You had already done it that way. I remember every life cycle and it indeed repeats. For the last 2 years I have known every event that will occur and how it will occur and then watched it unfold exactly as I saw it.
Oh well, if I’m living the same life over and over again I’ll catch this interview the next time around…
If you miss it this time around , you will miss it the next time around.
Once when on shrooms, my friend and I had a revelation that "it's all circles". And the next day, we laughed about it.
But, the older I get, the more I realize I was right.
During my trip/experience, I felt like time is indeed cyclical, but also follows an x axis movement - It's always flowing forward, but flowing forward in a spiral. That's why it never repeats exactly the same, but the general ideas are always eternal.
nah it's all triangles.
Even in a physical sense I don't think you're wrong@@jordanhallmark1784, it was explained to me once that satellites in orbit are actually falling in a perfectly straight line, it just appears curved because of gravity is bending spacetime. If spacetime is actually 1 substance I don't see how your trip intuition can't be true
Tripped on shrooms in college. I had this fantastic idea for a movie. I went and got a ream of paper and started drawing each scene. I was at it for hours. I turned from drawing stick figures before shrooms to drawing realistic sketches of people in my movie. Made a script and drew every scene. It was hours upon hours in my head.
Woke up the next day to a ream of paper at my desk w/ one piece of paper having drawn some shitty sketch w/ some scribbles next to it……my movie idea will be lost forever.
Please don't ignore the square (screen) that you typed that comment on. Remember, there are no absolute values (like "Its all _____") in infinity. Infinity is true. Math is just a system of of computation; thought. Without intelligent beings to consider it and formulate it, there is no math. The Matrix has you. knock knock..
I can say almost the same about my dream state. I have the ability to change it if I absolutely mentally push it. However, everything else feels like it’s on a track.
Yeah - checks out for sure
Oh God, just the thought of sitting through Chappie again and again for all eternity fills me with extreme despair
Take my upvote sir
i never fell for that ruse, especially once i saw the director
People are always overcomplicating Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence. After Nietzsche did away with God, souls, Heaven and Hell, etc., he still had to come up with a philosophical guide for how we should live our lives. So he came up with the Eternal Recurrence. We should live our lives as if we were destined to re-live that same life for an eternity. Whatever it is you're doing now, you should want to do it again in your next life, and the life after that, and so on, forever and ever.
Imagine being a violent psychopath and taking this to heart 😂😂
@@godsmarine5734 And then what? How is this a counterargument?
What a dumb Nazi theory. The world doesn't need anyone sharing his insane dumb theories. What a sociopath psycho you have to be to believe this.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Tell me you haven't read Nietzsche without telling me you haven't read Nietzsche
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Nietzsche wasn't a Nazi. In fact, he hated Anti-Semites. He also hated German nationalists. The Nazis ignored that part of his philosophy when they adopted it.
I'm definitely putting this video on a loop.....
Wow, I couldn't agree more. There multiple times in my life where I dream something, and it happens a few weeks or months later. It feels like there's a certain level of free will, but there is still an ultimate current that the universe is flowing in
Wow that's power of attraction
Time isn’t real. The human brain can tap into a non-temporal dimension of reality and receive information from it.
You would probably enjoy the movie John Dies At The End.
ua-cam.com/video/JYvYMaWIsro/v-deo.html
This is the type of shit I like to listen when I'm high
"And why don't you learn?"
I'm with Joe on this one.
That was moronic of him, which is weird. Because you don't have memories of those past occurrences, how the fuck do you learn if you just hit the reset button? The concept (when properly explained) aims to explain that, if you can imagine life as being an infinite reset in the same timeline with the same person (you), then you will always make the same choices and relive the same events, because you don't have memories of past occurrences, so you can't change anything, and so does everyone else around you, thus, everything just repeats. But if this was a reality, and someone proved this to you, and showed you the truth, you wouldn't be able to assimilate it and would collapse, probably because you have regrets. So, instead of pondering about whether or not free-will exists, you should live your life as if it did, because in case it doesn't, and life is just a repeating set of set in stone events, you'd want it to be the best set of them you possibly could achieve. It's a thought experiment aimed to make people live the best life they can. Nothing more.
@@LiviuMelioth Please look up Anthony Peake.
Please look up Anthony Peake.
@@therenaissanceronin5669 No.
because you have no memory of the life you just lived
That bald dude should start a podcast
I had this experience the moment kept on looping
I believe I died in another reality and woke into this one...the day after a tragic event...now this reality and set of choices...feels real!
So much so, I am more than ready to end this existence only so I can move to the next!
Dont do anything you idiot. Near death experiences might be what you described, that you die in one universe and in another you just barely survive, but that doesnt mean you should push it. Just make the most of what you have now.
@@DesertStateInEU hahahah! great comment! ahhh neurotic people always looking for something am i right???
He didn’t explain the idea good enough until the end when speaking on at first you have a million choices when faced with a situation but when you decide on one action then the number of paths you could’ve taken shrinks…it’s like when they say first impressions matter because when you first meet a person there’s a plethora of ways that person can perceive you based on your actions
The idea of the eternal recurrence was not a BELIEF it was a thought experiment. The highest affirmation of life is if a demon said to you "you will relive your life, in the exact same way forever", would you curl in a bawl and curse your fate, or accept it as the ultimate test of belief in your life. It was not meant to be taken literally.
Hahahah an he didn't continue reading the book.
bruh you clearly didn't read Thus Spoke Zarathustra or The Will to Power or you didn't understand them at all. In those books, eternal recurrence is clearly more than a thought experiment.
Its not locked in place, there are infinite possibilities and realities that co exist and already "exist", and throughout your life depending on the choices you make you can experience or "unlock" different outcomes of things different next time. You can experience a lot of those outcomes throughout many many reincarnations until you unlock your ascendance out of that matrix. Otherwise what is the point.
curl into a bawl is quite a phrase
@@jeremydevita4932 that's from the gay science. And I've read them both multiple times. He doesn't call it a thought experiment but I think you're reaching if you think he actually believed it.
Joe you need to invite John Hagelin, physicist, Vedic knowledge expert. He can explain in a super elegant way all the things you discussed here, from the Vedic perspective
Interesting. I should watch the full version sometime.
Crazy didn't even know this was a thought experiment. I got high one day as a kid and came to the same conclusion, just been enjoying life ever since
This is a perfect example of the Hollywood treatment of anything from history to philosophy: dumb it down, misquote it, and try to sound profound. A+ dude.
Yeah, the level of consistency and understanding of his own beliefs is ... NPC like 😆
He didn’t misquote it? He just just stated that on a very core level, he believes in it himself. Paul Loeb, Professor of Philosophy, visited my class with Gary Shapiro one time to defend this view. He published an excellent book that argues that Nietzsche's theory of the eternal recurrence is actually a legitimate cosmological argument that was meant to be taken literally. Also, Neil is South African/Canadian. Not sure why you’re going on about Hollywood.
@@SallyMankus130 he misquoted Nietzsche, who never put forward the Eternal Return as a metaphysical proposition, rather it was used as a rhetorical device in order to provoke the reader to consider his own actions/life's choices. 'Act as if you were bound to relive you actions over and over for eternity' (the essence of his argument).
And to be fair, I didn't "go on" about Hollywood. I only made a single brief comment about it's tendency to dumb down, misquote, misuse history, culture, philosophy, etc. Also, you don't have to be born in America to work in Hollywood. Blomkamp works with all the big U.S. production companies, 20th Century Fox, et al. His career is what roots him in Hollywood.
Cheers.
@@m1863m Uh, yeah, he said Nietzsche used it as a thought experiment? Some people are so invested in building a specific narrative that they miss out on certain key details which would force that prior foundation to crumble, you know. And yes, I am more than familiar with it. Lol. That's why I feel as though you should read The Death of Nietzsche's Zarathustra by the celebrated philosophy professor, Paul S. Loeb, who argues that it was more than simply a thought experiment. (By the way, he's not the only one who believes this.)
Also, only two out of his five projects were traditional Hollywood productions in that sense. Do you consider auteurs who direct arthouse films that are sold to larger distribution companies Hollywood as well? Would you deny the genius of Kubrick, PTA and Lynch because they've worked with Hollywood? It's certainly not as monolithic as you make it out to be, considering a large portion of cinematic works of art are at least connected to *Hollywood* in that sense and it doesn't fit the criteria that was previously listed, you know. (Unless you're a philistine, I guess but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one.)
"‘This life, as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh.."
I am a diagnosed skitzopheic and I was thinking like this when I had mmy last breakdown I wanted to be born again as someone else or remove myself from the timeline I've had some spiritual experiences that really makes me have faith in a higher power I saw a man made out of stars and he told me everything was going to be okay idk if 8 was dreaming with my eyes open or what but it scared the living shit out of me I started freaking out about who to worship
When I started reading philosophy and programming, I realized everybody’s life is basically a loop with small variations day to day.
Groundhog Day
Or a fractal.
and Elon Musk is a c**t.
@S Saldana Just watch the first season of Wetsworld.
It's because this is how we are conditioned to live. To the ruling class, we are just money generating cattle. They want us docile and predictable
@Wulfric It’s a complex topic and will try my best to break it down. Eventually quantum computers will get to a place where we can simulate the universe and every atoms action/reaction like the Matrix. It’s like a clock that turns with gears turning each other. Every piece of software written is basically made up of for loops or while loops. We are creatures of habit and Facebook/Google know more about us than we know about ourselves, their algorithms predict our actions and wants which makes their ads business very powerful. It’s honestly kind of a mindfuck how predictable our patterns are.
I wouldn't mind living my life again but with a few people I've come across in my life completely removed.
Meditate and this will be true
@@maxmawell I wish it was that simple.
“Nothing is predetermined, not even death” - Sadhguru
No way we are locked in a loop.
How would you even know?
Rich people always turn weird once they have everything they want
@@Jack-bp3ns people like Warren Buffet and Manoj Bhargava seem pretty normal, all things considered
No way? Why?
No way we are locked in a loop.
This is what you call confusion. Alhamdulilah for the truth and Islam.
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Neill Blomkamp: "I don't believe we have any choices in life".
Also Neill Blomkamp: "I think we have infinite choices in life".
Karmic circles with the choice to move on once you've learned the lessons you need to move on
Live your life like you would like to live it over and over for eternity. Thats how I understand Nietzche Eternal recurrence, the burden comes when you are not living that life
That is the freedom. To be able to choose the path that is not already set.
Love this dude and his podcast
I don't know. I could see a universe where Chappie was a little bit better and this guys life is dramatically improved and events altered because of it.
bat whaaai?
Have you seen the video
Elon Musk meets Post Malone
It’s hilarious!! 👽 😂
Scary but amazing times we live in. Military checkpoints will be set up on us homesoil for covid vaccination certification. Camps will be activated. Police state is coming. New world order led by obama and pope francis is coming. Jesus christ is coming back for the rapture. Get ready. Dont believe the coming ufo alien abduction narrative
no doubt.... man take control these movies suck when you let jesus take the wheel
@@daebak7370 whaaaaat?
So essentially, fate is decided already. Why stress trying to change it? Accept it and embrace it?
no,the point is to live a life worth reliving
Eternal Recurrence is an extremely interesting thought experiment. I couldn’t think of a worse hell than to be stuck in essentially the same time loop, making the same mistakes over and over again and never improving my existence into something better than what I am currently living right now. Which is why our memories, experiences, mistakes, and the wisdom we gain from them are so essential to us. Without those things we lack the very ability to make any variability in choice. And at its core it becomes downright terrifying to think how many times I may have written this post before in the past, or what I would conceive as the past anyway. If I had my memories of a past cycle, then my life wouldn’t look anything like it does right now. Is anyone that satisfied with the outcome of their life that they wouldn’t change at least something? With the knowledge that this wasn’t their first go around and all? We would essentially just be 3-dimensional beings living life on repeat, but only observable and understandable from a 4-dimensional perspective. But in that sense, I guess you don’t know what you don’t know. In that vein we must then imagine Sisyphus a very happy man. Because I think there is an ontological difference in repeating everything without the knowledge of doing so for an infinite number of infinities versus being stuck with doing the same task over and over for just one eternity. Because according to Cantor, some infinities are larger/smaller than other infinities. That’s an interesting thought right there. Do these cycles have any variation when measured by linear time? It basically crunches down everything to ignorance is bliss versus a knowable but unchangeable outcome. But it’s like The Game, once you know about Eternal Recurrence then you lose your privilege of the aforementioned ignorance. That’s kind of a mind fuck I’d have to say. And if I just reminded you of The Game, then you just lost as well. Time to hit the restart button until you start thinking of this post again.
**EDIT**
While typing this out, it glitched out 2 times. So, I opened Word and wrote it a 3rd time. So, every version I wrote was different, and the fact that it happened that many times whilst writing about Eternal Recurrence makes this post an extra mind fuck. How many times did I write three different versions of this over an infinite number of infinities? And which one was the best version, since I lost access to the original two?
I think that I need a drink now. Or… again?
Do I even get a choice in what I drink this time?
There are a lot of ideas in there.
To take your very first point. To have life on repeat can be a hell; it could also be a good thing. However, the fact is that at least a part of life is pre determined. I think that it is a problem when people say that it is 100% determined.
It sounds like he's playing GTA5, and each time you play the game is different, but the missions are always the same missions.
that's deep
So no, the analogy would be that everything you did in the order and time you did it would be the exact same. Like a movie that’s on rerun
@@SonnyWane I was thinking more like the "Novikov self-consistency principle" of time travel, where even if you tried to kill your grandfather, somehow the timeline would correct itself. Like maybe you went back in time to kill your grandfather, but then time corrects itself and replaces your grandfather with someone who somehow still makes you. Or maybe time keeps you from killing them somehow. Or you get your grandma pregnant instead. Or you go back to the future and hate it so you go back in time again to stop yourself from changing the past.
Sometimes it feels like I'm doing something that I know is wrong, and my brain tells me it's wrong, but I keep doing it and going forward with the action, like it's unstoppable.
What if at some point in the near future, computer graphics and computing power and computer simulations become so advanced that they rival reality? Like NEO in the matrix learning kung fu in a few seconds... What if we find it most entertaining to live out our ancestors lives? Instead of "Did you see that movie?" the question would be "Did you try living as George Washington yet?" and get an answer like "Yeah actually I did. I was bored and suicidal until my 30's, but then it really picked up."
If we were reliving some famous person's life, in an attempt to really understand some boring historical figure or some noteworthy time, we would be bound by certain historical events and then the unknown parts would be filled by free will. You get to do what you feel for the most part, but Abe Lincoln still has to go to that theater.
Or you can think of it as you get to run around between missions in any way you want, but each mission in GTA 5 follows a pretty specific chronological blueprint. Everyone plays the mission uniquely, but you still have to hit the proper milestones to complete the mission.
It kinda sounds like Zelda: Breath of the Wild too. No playthrough is the same but it all leads to beating Ganon and saving Hyrule
"Someone once told me time is a flat circle. Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again. And that little boy and that little girl, they're gonna be in that room again, and again, and again, forever."
That was the quickest decent into depression I've ever experienced lol
We are “evolving consciousness” we are always updating ourselves to be the source. We do change
Nihilist depression
I've found this video because a few days ago, I had this memory or maybe just a dream that I don't remember having, if that makes sense, of being born. When I was born, I was the man I am now but trapped in my baby body. I was fully aware of the events happening around me, I could think just as I do now and understand everything being said but I couldn't do anything or say anything because my undeveloped body wouldn't allow it. It was like being trapped inside someone else's body but it was really my own. I remember thinking "this isn't how it was supposed to be" and "I'll find you again and again if I have to". I'm assuming I was thinking of my wife but I don't honestly know.
This dream/memory whatever you want to call it, lead me to this video and it has me thinking. What if it were real? What if, we are trapped inside our own bodies at birth...our soul is the same and the more the body develops, the brain develops...the more we forget who we used to be and start becoming who we are at that time? What if we do have free will but because we can't remember the events in our past life at the time, we keep making the same choices over and over again and believe it's free will but in reality, it's just fate. Would you change anything that has happened in your life? The slightest change to your past and now, your son or daughter isn't born. You never met the love of your life. Would you change anything if you knew it would kill your child by ultimately causing them to never be born again? I would live this life forever just to know the love of my wife and child just once. I would take all the pain and suffering forever just to know that...would you?
A little side story...when I was in middle school, I wrote a name on everything. That name had "angel" in it and I knew...without a doubt...that would be the name of my first child; a baby girl. My mother saw it, asked and when I told her it would be the name of my first kid, she laughed it off. Fast forward to after high school...almost a decade later. I was working at a local Kmart and ran into this blonde. She was sitting in the garden section visiting a friend that I worked with. We hit it off and we begin dating within 48hrs. Fast forward again, that young lady gets pregnant and we are picking the name. I've known this name since middle school and tell her. She begins to cry and tells me...."angel" is my mom's maiden name and I always wanted my kid to have her name. I was completely unaware until that moment of her mother's maiden name. That is a 100% true story that my mother and wife can verify. I've now been married 20 years, that first child is now 19 and she has the exact name I wrote in middle school.... her grand mother's maiden name. Just luck, just a coincidence or maybe, just maybe....I've named her a thousand times before and somehow, I know it.
Life is fucked up right but it's far better than the alternative. I'm going to love every moment of it for as long as I can and with a little effort, I'm going to try to help others enjoy their time here as well. Who knows...maybe this life is as good as it will ever get forever.
You have a gift of awareness, maybe each time we cycle through we get to reach out to others and strive for the positive vibration
I didn't realize I needed a collaboration project with Neil and Christopher Nolan.