Right, the only people who know about "family values" are Christians. I guess that leaves out the other 5 billion people who live on the Earth can raise their children and live peaceful lives.
People like Jenna don't need anyone to stand up for them but it doesn't mean I still don't want to. Thank you, Jenna, for standing up for all of us who value LGBTQ persons and issues, whether we be LGBTQ ourselves or not.
@@bernierasmusson9257 Oh. I didn't realize posting my comment about something was being a troll. Did not realize having an opinion and making it known was being a troll. Is you telling me to get lost, troll...does that mean/make you a troll? I don't know the rules.
The assumption that without a God, there would be a "void" with no substance is like thinking there's no way to keep your head above water without pool floaties under your arms.
For those kind of people, my advice they should remain Christian. Because apparently, that's is the only thing that stops them from hurting their fellow man because they are afraid of hell.
@Phillip Aman Well... that's a lot of meaningless bull. Doing the Deepak Chopra bit? Making a string of mystic babble, followed with a far gone conclusion. _There are kittens & puppies, proof God did not create the Universe._ Magic talk or Choprawoo is not proof of a God. Actually the primary color in the spectrum of light is red, green, & blue. Matthew 25:41, I've always found it quite demonic that God will punish people for eternity for finite "crimes". Where's his mercy? And he will punish the most devote Christian who believes in him, because the mistake of that devote Christian is that he practiced the wrong Christian denomination. Showing God lacks understanding or justice. Sometimes, God makes Satan look like a saint.
@@OverlordShamala "... they should remain Christian. Because apparently, that's is the only thing that stops them from hurting their fellow man ..." Well ... I understand what you mean, but 2000 years of history more than indicates that many Christians use their religion as an excuse for "hurting their fellow man ...". Not that I believe they wouldn't hurt anyone without their religion ... @$$h¤le$ are @$$h¤les, with or without the help of an almighty.
@@cyoul8trallygatr549 True, it goes without saying. But I have encountered Christians that do make that claim they will be sinning & hurting people without God. Hence, why they should remain Christians. But like you said, history has show that hasn't stopped them from committing atrocities when told God commands them.
@@OverlordShamala I (and maybe you?) also have experienced that more than a few criminals or drug addicts becomes Christians "over night" as some kind of escape from their "meaningless" lifes. So yes, it is pointing in both directions if you ask me. Some people acting worse and some better when they believe in a god. If a belief in a god/religion makes people treat others better and more respectfull, good. I would not criticize anyone for their beliefs as long as their beliefs not make them do bad stuff to others.
“What about atheist bakers who have been forced to make big Christian wedding cakes?” If he was even remotely honest he would’ve been stumped right there had to retract his previous rhetoric question.
Always love this argument, we need religion to live together. Where in the bible do they discuss traffic lights or stop signs. We have managed to decide how to live together quite well outside the bible. OUr founding fathers even knew better than to allow the bible or religion to interfere with our governance.
I love how when Matt said there doesn’t need to be a man in the house this caller went straight to single mothers, as if lesbian couples just don’t exist🙄
I grew up having to go to church services where this guy's argument was routinely preached from the pulpit. I have very clear memories as a child sitting in a pew and listening to the minister say, "I'm sorry ladies. I'm sorry. But your husbands are your superiors. They are the heads of the household. The word of Gawd says so!" Try that with my wife. I dare you. Just wait for me to pop some microwave popcorn and find a lawn chair.
In 1944, several thousand young men raised by single mothers, swarmed the beaches of Normandy, leading their squads and platoons into battle against the nazis.
Leaving religion out of the question all together . All the data suggests that children raised by single parents don't fair well statiscally. That is undeniable . A 2 parent home gives you the best chances in life by far. I think there is something to be said about that. In our mad rush for more rights it seems we have put children in a worse place in some ways ..
Jenna shows real humanity, real ethics and indeed real love. Matt is entirely justified in his anger of course but which approach is more likely to produce change? I tend to think Jenna's approach but am really not sure.
The problem is that I don’t think either method will change the mind of this bigot, and others like him - the caller just spouts his nonsense, and is completely unable to justify his utter crap. I like Matt because he tells this bigot exactly what he is - he is a disgusting, stupid little ‘man’ who really needs to learn some humanity and humility, as painfully as possible
This guy qualifies as a Stick-in-the-mud... No long term perspective on how society evolves, no awareness of nuance... just a firm traditionalist who likes his world view just as it is, don't confuse him with the facts. That actually describes about 40% of the US population. And they have a leader in Washington who re-enforces that perspective. This is straight out of 1950. Phobias be damned.
There are two kinds of believers; the mistaken but honest, and the egos that fake. This guy is a faker; he just likes to hear himself talk and sound pristine and moralistic. With this type of clowns (I think) one should not talk about god but instead talk about personality disorders.
I'm resident in one of the least religious countries in the world, I'm very happy here and the people are very kind and friendly. It also happens to have a highly educated population boasting one of the best education systems in the world, it seems these kinds of views are born out of pure ignorance. Hats of to Jenna for keeping her cool and suggesting this guy open his eyes to the world rather than be poisoned by his bigoted friends. I have nothing against religion in general, last year some American missionaries came to fill up my log shed (I'm disabled and no longer do heavy jobs), they were very nice guys and never judged or questioned my beliefs, which is how the world would get along much better if more followed this example.
There is no deference between an households with a divorcee and one in which there has never been a marriage. These two types of households are the same and should be lumped together. These are both households with a single parent in residence.
What I would want from your channel: You clip stuff from long podcast discussions and pick out the best/most dramatic/most controversial points. Then you add a link to the original video. Also, I can recommend you checking out PineCreek and Tjumps channels for great content.
Some people see my beard and say I'm male, I've been a single parent. Many children see my nail varnish, earrings, skirts and ask me if I'm a girl, I don't mind confused youngsters but I wonder/worry about their parents. This calling person needs to broaden their experience and do some growing up.
What this so called Christian doesn't understand is, that the being he claims to be a follower of, was completely devoid of any bigotry what-so-ever! 2000 years ago, a Jewish man wouldn't even speak to a strange woman in public, yet Jesus spoke to the woman at the well, in broad daylight... and even his own apostles dared not reproach him. And on top of that, he was a Jew, speaking to a Sumerian, whom Jews were extremely prejudiced against. Yet the Master was free from all of that nonsense. To him, all people were his brothers, to be loved and respected, regardless of their station in life... "he was not a respecter of persons" meaning titles meant nothing to him. And he would often say "In the kingdom of heaven, there are no rich or poor, free or bond, male or female, Jew or Gentile, all are equally the children of God." So here again, is another "Christian" who knows not the Master's teachings.
@Because I’m Batman!! - Hi Batman, good to see you... I'm sure you're quite fond of your first point... actually, I consider the Shroud of Turin to be sufficient proof of Jesus' existence. On your second point, ages ago I would have agreed. But I've been reading this book with the strange word "Urantia" in it, and Part IV of the book was written by Midwayers (I know, what's a Midwayer, right?) They are distant cousins of ours, they're invisible to our eyes, and they don't die. They were around during Jesus' time, and they wrote down a much more complete version of Jesus' Life and Teachings in this book. (What? Again with these unverifiable Books! Right?) But I'm a logical fellow, I'm a scientist, and in addition to deductive reasoning, there's this other form called inductive reasoning. I read 3/4 of this book initially from the point of view of it being science fiction. But unlike the Bible, this book is entirely internally consistent. It spoke of tectonic plates before that concept was acceptable. It makes predictions (like the missing link can be found in the Sewalic (SP?) hills of India. And it says Adam and Eve were Biological Uplifters sent to our planet 37,000 years ago, to a planet that harbored human life for 100s of thousands of years before. Long story short, the things it reports Jesus as saying are so beautiful and educational, that I find it more compelling than any alternative. On your third point, I'm pretty sure it's verifiable how Jewish men 2000 yrs ago treated women. Much the same way Arabs do today. As this is a channel for debating Christian theology, I'm entitled to throw my $0.02s in. Do I expect anyone to agree with me? yeah, no.
Secular morality is relative,with no standard of reference in justification, Secular morality is an opionated imagination of humanity conduct, behavior! Of a animated animalistic species of man, that's not a developed mind, and rational reasoning.leaving the door open for secular social political agenda! The immorality of the human structure is degrading the human existence.leaving mankind as a animated animalistic species, in the darkest,of what man has to offer..the only thing is an egotistical provoking ideological hearsay,biases etc.towards, the Creator, intelligent design, authoritive diety.
While I agree this guy is a horrible bigot I don't think Matt's approach is going to change that. He's just going to dig in his heels and use this as another example of how atheism is, in his mind, against him and his values instead of just thinking about the values portion of it which might actually get him to change.
Matt’s approach is not about the bigot he is talking to. He definitely doesn’t think he is going to get through to this guy. Matt has made this clear for many years now. So your point seems misplaced to begin with. But a couple decades of countless people directly telling him they changed their minds thanks to him says you are probably wrong about your assessment.
Matt knew where it was going and didn't want to give the benefit of the doubt. I don't blame him, but like Jenna I also try to explain first. Granted, Matt turned out to be right in this instance it won't always be the case and it's worth the risk if you can help even one person to see reason.
Matt actually handled this better than I would have. I wouldn’t have just stopped and let the host take over. Yes Jenna totally handled that amazingly and better than Matt in most levels, but Matt was justified in his reaction.
So there was no morality before Christianity? What a bunch of BS!
If that's an example of a good Christian, then no thanks.
Right, the only people who know about "family values" are Christians. I guess that leaves out the other 5 billion people who live on the Earth can raise their children and live peaceful lives.
Jenna is a saint! For remaining so calm and composed in the face of the caller's utter nonsense and insults.
And severe bigotry, and ignorance.
And people wonder why I left Christianity.
Christianity is the opposite of family values as Jesus wanted you to drop your family like a hot potato and follow him.
Many of today's christians wouldn't know that because they themselves read the holy book that they demand everyone else live their lives by.
People like Jenna don't need anyone to stand up for them but it doesn't mean I still don't want to. Thank you, Jenna, for standing up for all of us who value LGBTQ persons and issues, whether we be LGBTQ ourselves or not.
Jenna is an awful addition to atheist experience. She bats maybe .200
@@jpapan1 Get lost, troll.
@@bernierasmusson9257 Oh. I didn't realize posting my comment about something was being a troll. Did not realize having an opinion and making it known was being a troll. Is you telling me to get lost, troll...does that mean/make you a troll? I don't know the rules.
The assumption that without a God, there would be a "void" with no substance is like thinking there's no way to keep your head above water without pool floaties under your arms.
And some of us take the extra step and say "when you beat cancer, what do you replace it with?"
Matt, you're a legend.
I second that
I third that
Apparently some people need to have a god because they can't determine what's right or wrong and moral or immoral on their own.
For those kind of people, my advice they should remain Christian. Because apparently, that's is the only thing that stops them from hurting their fellow man because they are afraid of hell.
@Phillip Aman Well... that's a lot of meaningless bull. Doing the Deepak Chopra bit? Making a string of mystic babble, followed with a far gone conclusion. _There are kittens & puppies, proof God did not create the Universe._
Magic talk or Choprawoo is not proof of a God.
Actually the primary color in the spectrum of light is red, green, & blue.
Matthew 25:41, I've always found it quite demonic that God will punish people for eternity for finite "crimes". Where's his mercy? And he will punish the most devote Christian who believes in him, because the mistake of that devote Christian is that he practiced the wrong Christian denomination. Showing God lacks understanding or justice.
Sometimes, God makes Satan look like a saint.
@@OverlordShamala "... they should remain Christian. Because apparently, that's is the only thing that stops them from hurting their fellow man ..."
Well ... I understand what you mean, but 2000 years of history more than indicates that many Christians use their religion as an excuse for "hurting their fellow man ...". Not that I believe they wouldn't hurt anyone without their religion ... @$$h¤le$ are @$$h¤les, with or without the help of an almighty.
@@cyoul8trallygatr549 True, it goes without saying. But I have encountered Christians that do make that claim they will be sinning & hurting people without God. Hence, why they should remain Christians.
But like you said, history has show that hasn't stopped them from committing atrocities when told God commands them.
@@OverlordShamala I (and maybe you?) also have experienced that more than a few criminals or drug addicts becomes Christians "over night" as some kind of escape from their "meaningless" lifes. So yes, it is pointing in both directions if you ask me. Some people acting worse and some better when they believe in a god.
If a belief in a god/religion makes people treat others better and more respectfull, good. I would not criticize anyone for their beliefs as long as their beliefs not make them do bad stuff to others.
Pence Flies are strong with this one.
This comment gave ma a buzz.
“What about atheist bakers who have been forced to make big Christian wedding cakes?”
If he was even remotely honest he would’ve been stumped right there had to retract his previous rhetoric question.
We need Christianity or else we won't know to be hateful bigots.
"Christian values like coming together to form a society."
Ah, you mean like with the Tower of Babel?
Always love this argument, we need religion to live together. Where in the bible do they discuss traffic lights or stop signs. We have managed to decide how to live together quite well outside the bible. OUr founding fathers even knew better than to allow the bible or religion to interfere with our governance.
I think the caller nearly cries within the first minute.
Because he upset that his bulshit has no foundation
Religion should come with a warning , this can deplete brain cells, similar to warnings on cigarette packets, about the dangers of smoking
I love how when Matt said there doesn’t need to be a man in the house this caller went straight to single mothers, as if lesbian couples just don’t exist🙄
In his bigoted mind they probably are erased
There are no excuses for complete idiocy.
I don't like this format. I'll go watch matt directly.
Jenna is such a sweetheart the way she handled this asshole. My response would have been similar to Matt's
I grew up having to go to church services where this guy's argument was routinely preached from the pulpit. I have very clear memories as a child sitting in a pew and listening to the minister say, "I'm sorry ladies. I'm sorry. But your husbands are your superiors. They are the heads of the household. The word of Gawd says so!" Try that with my wife. I dare you. Just wait for me to pop some microwave popcorn and find a lawn chair.
I love it when he (the caller) mentioned the whole 'women-are-to-be-obedient-to-their-husbands' thing. Made me LoL.
Spectacular, smooth brain take, lol! Sure hope he isn't being put in danger by his make believe dystopian society.
In 1944, several thousand young men raised by single mothers, swarmed the beaches of Normandy, leading their squads and platoons into battle against the nazis.
Leaving religion out of the question all together . All the data suggests that children raised by single parents don't fair well statiscally.
That is undeniable .
A 2 parent home gives you the best chances in life by far.
I think there is something to be said about that. In our mad rush for more rights it seems we have put children in a worse place in some ways ..
That guy reminds me of why I have no interest in Christianity or any other religion.
Jenna shows real humanity, real ethics and indeed real love.
Matt is entirely justified in his anger of course but which approach is more likely to produce change? I tend to think Jenna's approach but am really not sure.
A couple decades of countless people directly telling him he changed their minds says yes his approach actually does get through to people.
The problem is that I don’t think either method will change the mind of this bigot, and others like him - the caller just spouts his nonsense, and is completely unable to justify his utter crap. I like Matt because he tells this bigot exactly what he is - he is a disgusting, stupid little ‘man’ who really needs to learn some humanity and humility, as painfully as possible
God is like the Troll under the bridge. It's an explanation why we should or shouldn't do something when we don't have an explanation.
This guy qualifies as a Stick-in-the-mud... No long term perspective on how society evolves, no awareness of nuance... just a firm traditionalist who likes his world view just as it is, don't confuse him with the facts. That actually describes about 40% of the US population. And they have a leader in Washington who re-enforces that perspective. This is straight out of 1950. Phobias be damned.
If only Matt were this aggressive in his live debates.
this guy 's voice makes me think he's been on before but has not improved -
There are two kinds of believers; the mistaken but honest, and the egos that fake. This guy is a faker; he just likes to hear himself talk and sound pristine and moralistic. With this type of clowns (I think) one should not talk about god but instead talk about personality disorders.
Humanity needs christianity: gives example of why christianity is horrible....
The sooner everyone evicts any of the many god's from the cosmos the better.
I'm resident in one of the least religious countries in the world, I'm very happy here and the people are very kind and friendly. It also happens to have a highly educated population boasting one of the best education systems in the world, it seems these kinds of views are born out of pure ignorance. Hats of to Jenna for keeping her cool and suggesting this guy open his eyes to the world rather than be poisoned by his bigoted friends. I have nothing against religion in general, last year some American missionaries came to fill up my log shed (I'm disabled and no longer do heavy jobs), they were very nice guys and never judged or questioned my beliefs, which is how the world would get along much better if more followed this example.
Theist caller is typical religious freaks. If you are not one of them you are not thing. I'm taking about all type of religion
I partially disagree with Matt. The caller wasn't a "little, shitty troll". Rather, he was a colossal, shitty troll.
Where did this dope grow up? The guy has a void between his ears
A christian household
Matt
. LMAO.. this called is just so ridiculous. Damn!
He's going to hell....we don't need a heaven we just need a hell....
Family values
Matt: WTF!?
Lmao
The Christian God is a homosexual trio.
This is awesome.
Fuck, they’re weak in how they handle this guy.
Germany lost the war but fascism won. Sadly....
Christian values... ffs
Matt went beast mode!
What a troll ,,,.
LOL. Fantastic
There is no deference between an households with a divorcee and one in which there has never been a marriage. These two types of households are the same and should be lumped together. These are both households with a single parent in residence.
What I would want from your channel: You clip stuff from long podcast discussions and pick out the best/most dramatic/most controversial points. Then you add a link to the original video.
Also, I can recommend you checking out PineCreek and Tjumps channels for great content.
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Some people see my beard and say I'm male, I've been a single parent.
Many children see my nail varnish, earrings, skirts and ask me if I'm a girl, I don't mind confused youngsters but I wonder/worry about their parents.
This calling person needs to broaden their experience and do some growing up.
Troll alert!
OH MY gOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes! Matt. Says what I want to say to this guy. He’s a bigot!! “He’s seen it...” No facts...just rhetoric.
I never capitalize the g either. 😉
What a "knuckle dragging" caller. Feel sorry for any family members he might be dominating.
How does this assertion relate to the POTUS holding up a Bible?
And he callled himself "secular" because he is mixed up and embarassed.
What if these people never had heard of a god or Christianity? Would they have a void to fill?
"Techno Matriarchy" is my new kink, now.
Somebody did forget to flush
Community unity is not a Christian value?? Love thy neighbor??? This is why WLC won't take his ass seriously
"he doesn't know how to think" lol
MATT IS HILARIOUS
Japan
Does Muslim religion not have family values
Islam is just as bad.
@Link of Hyrule oh there’s buddhist extremists. They’re just concentrated in southeast asia
What this so called Christian doesn't understand is, that the being he claims to be a follower of, was completely devoid of any bigotry what-so-ever! 2000 years ago, a Jewish man wouldn't even speak to a strange woman in public, yet Jesus spoke to the woman at the well, in broad daylight... and even his own apostles dared not reproach him. And on top of that, he was a Jew, speaking to a Sumerian, whom Jews were extremely prejudiced against. Yet the Master was free from all of that nonsense. To him, all people were his brothers, to be loved and respected, regardless of their station in life... "he was not a respecter of persons" meaning titles meant nothing to him. And he would often say "In the kingdom of heaven, there are no rich or poor, free or bond, male or female, Jew or Gentile, all are equally the children of God." So here again, is another "Christian" who knows not the Master's teachings.
@Because I’m Batman!! - Hi Batman, good to see you...
I'm sure you're quite fond of your first point... actually, I consider the Shroud of Turin to be sufficient proof of Jesus' existence.
On your second point, ages ago I would have agreed. But I've been reading this book with the strange word "Urantia" in it, and Part IV of the book was written by Midwayers (I know, what's a Midwayer, right?) They are distant cousins of ours, they're invisible to our eyes, and they don't die. They were around during Jesus' time, and they wrote down a much more complete version of Jesus' Life and Teachings in this book. (What? Again with these unverifiable Books! Right?) But I'm a logical fellow, I'm a scientist, and in addition to deductive reasoning, there's this other form called inductive reasoning. I read 3/4 of this book initially from the point of view of it being science fiction. But unlike the Bible, this book is entirely internally consistent. It spoke of tectonic plates before that concept was acceptable. It makes predictions (like the missing link can be found in the Sewalic (SP?) hills of India. And it says Adam and Eve were Biological Uplifters sent to our planet 37,000 years ago, to a planet that harbored human life for 100s of thousands of years before.
Long story short, the things it reports Jesus as saying are so beautiful and educational, that I find it more compelling than any alternative.
On your third point, I'm pretty sure it's verifiable how Jewish men 2000 yrs ago treated women. Much the same way Arabs do today. As this is a channel for debating Christian theology, I'm entitled to throw my $0.02s in. Do I expect anyone to agree with me? yeah, no.
What's this master crap?? You a slave boy ??
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morality is objective
and has nothing to
do with religion
Secular morality is relative,with no standard of reference in justification, Secular morality is an opionated imagination of humanity conduct, behavior! Of a animated animalistic species of man, that's not a developed mind, and rational reasoning.leaving the door open for secular social political agenda!
The immorality of the human structure is degrading the human existence.leaving mankind as a animated animalistic species, in the darkest,of what man has to offer..the only thing is an egotistical provoking ideological hearsay,biases etc.towards, the Creator, intelligent design, authoritive diety.
While I agree this guy is a horrible bigot I don't think Matt's approach is going to change that. He's just going to dig in his heels and use this as another example of how atheism is, in his mind, against him and his values instead of just thinking about the values portion of it which might actually get him to change.
I agree. Matt use to be more patient back in the day.
Matt’s approach is not about the bigot he is talking to. He definitely doesn’t think he is going to get through to this guy. Matt has made this clear for many years now. So your point seems misplaced to begin with.
But a couple decades of countless people directly telling him they changed their minds thanks to him says you are probably wrong about your assessment.
Matt's time is up.
Jenna handled this SO much better.
Matt knew where it was going and didn't want to give the benefit of the doubt. I don't blame him, but like Jenna I also try to explain first. Granted, Matt turned out to be right in this instance it won't always be the case and it's worth the risk if you can help even one person to see reason.
@@benf6822 matt has some 15 years plus experience and there are never any new lines of bullshyte. he knows in 3 sentences where anyone is going...
Matt actually handled this better than I would have. I wouldn’t have just stopped and let the host take over.
Yes Jenna totally handled that amazingly and better than Matt in most levels, but Matt was justified in his reaction.