I wonder if you drilled large holes through the side of the hub and small holes in the OD (braking surface) if it would aid in cooling like a drilled brake rotor
@@Toolingabout yes you can cross drill holes on the braking surface of the drum to help cool it, it also gives the water somewhere to go to help prevent brake fade. I have cross drilled drums for older from drum brake cars in the past just for this reason. Just don't get carried away with to many holes lol.
I love these power wheels builds, maybe you can put the steering forward on the other side of that bar and go through the engine plate to make a little more room?
Yep, Ike's fat a$$ requires it. Additionally, I am sure they weigh more than the engine/etc. in the front thus the need for a more aggressive spring in the rear to actually have a level ride height vice the squat they now have.
Love watching you should test putting red shocks in the back as you weigh more than the engine so it will then all react smoother and potentially keep that wheel down
It's a good thing y'all lengthened that little Bronco. :-P Drop the front end in a big hole and me thinks you will do a forward flip. Forward flips with machines are not fun; I've had experience with that.
I’ve always wondered why the rear shocks are at such a steep angle, it essentially defeats the spring, placing it closer to straight up and down would make it not sag as much and allow the springs and shocks to do their jobs more effectively.
Its know wonder the rear is soft with them shocks so layed down, you would have to have twice as much spring to make it as stiff as a shock standing up.
When you are changing gearing. Changing the small sprocket in the equation has a greater effect than changing the large one. Example, if you have a 12 tooth clutch and a 60 tooth wheel, you will get a 5 times the change adding or removing one tooth to the clutch versus adding or removing one tooth to the wheel.
Uhh, no. It’s not 5 times the change. Yes a tooth difference on the smaller gear will have more of an effect than a tooth on the larger gear but no where near 5 times. The gear ratio is calculated by dividing the number of teeth of the driving gear by the number of teeth of the driven gear. Doesn’t matter which is changed, it’s always that formula to calculate the change.
But right now they can lay claim to having the smallest four wheel drive Power Wheels go kart build on You Tube. plus they are trying to keep the power to weigh ratio as good as they can. I can say for them but would be a guess.
THE CROSS CART IS MAKING A COME BACK. i will say that with that new engine, suspension, and the rest of stuff it will absolutely smoke the trophy kart😤
I think you guy should weld on some mounts on the gas tank for a racing seat instead of a camping pad. Put some memory foam on top of the camping pad with a piece of vinil over top of it. You need a better carburator. That one bogs out. Testing is just part of working out the bugs. If you lenghten the steering shaft longer, you two could easily steer it better with out hitting your knees and legs. Good video! 😁👍 Don't be mad at me. I was just sugesting.
I thought some of y’all would appreciate this I’m welding a walk behind tiller to the back of a four wheeler and welding four wheeler hubs to the plows so I’m building a new four wheeler
grind hard plumbing co lengthened there Barbie jeep and it looks great. so did rather b welding. it would make Ike look less like king Kong in the bronco.
If you move the rear upper shock mounts further up the chassis, closer to the fuel tank, it will also stiffen up and give you more articulation. You want a resting positive rake so it’s somewhat level while one of you are riding.
That comparison will be awesome. The original four engine 4-wheel drive build is the reason I came to your Channel and have been a subscriber ever since.
I'm not even going to read the other comments before putting in my two cents about the suspension but here goes. The reason your inside front tire is lifting up on higher speed curves has nothing to do with your front suspension settings. Your 2hole issue is with the 4ear suspension setup. When you go around a corner like that all the forces get shifted to the outside rear. If your rear suspension is way to soft like yours the outside rear completely compresses and the centrifugal forces of cornering will lift the inside front. In other words put the chromes back on the front and put the reds on the rear. Giving the rear a 2 stiffness advantage over the front might completely fix the issue with no other modification needed. If it still lifts then you need to redesign your rear shock mounting location to give more advantage to the spring and damper, ie mount it significantly more vertically. The the front won't lift at all.
You connected the drum break backwards. If the solid mounting point is on the bottom and the cable is on the top the The friction when applying the brake will tend to pull the band towards your cable assisting in the break action. With the cable on the bottom the friction pulls against your cable trying to open the band up fighting Against the braking action.
I mess around like you guys do in my shop. I am not an expert but my observation on the Bronco being too soft is that your rear shocks are layed down “way” too low. As your suspension compresses the rear shocks loose their leverage and spring rate is decreased alot! Please raise the top mount. You may have to also move the lower one twords the swing arm pivot to retain your ride height. I never write comments. I love your show to watch when my shop is too cold to work in. Keep the vids coming 😎
Shock angle on the rear shocks are making them seem softer. Weight is hung out over the upper mounts. So, you got some leveraged weight. I's throw the red ones on the back or stand them up.
Put the drum brake on the sprocket, has enough metal for it! Ever though of using old valve springs under seat? So bend the angle of steering wheel to get taller angle.
Should probably run red in the rear and black in the front, adjusted all the way to hard. Remember you can always make a 1 inch shock lift spacer to go in-between the shock and upper shock mount to bring up the ride hight,with out making it too top heavy. The spring rate is different (under load) with new shocks, you wear dry testing the shocks
I’d say you need to change the springs in the torque converter so you can get that high rpm strong launch, and wheelies without sacrificing too much top seed
John :“We never claimed to be experts”
‘Isaac walks past with a burning log’ “excuse me”
I love it.
this is why i tune in every episode
That extra large hub almost looks the same diameter as the drum brake you installed. Almost like it want's to be the brake itself :D
This guy is right on!🙌
With a simple jig and a drill press you could relatively accurately drill large holes in the hub to lighten it
I wonder if you drilled large holes through the side of the hub and small holes in the OD (braking surface) if it would aid in cooling like a drilled brake rotor
LOL I was just watching the video and was about to say the same thing until I read your message that Hub size is damn near the size of that brake
@@Toolingabout yes you can cross drill holes on the braking surface of the drum to help cool it, it also gives the water somewhere to go to help prevent brake fade. I have cross drilled drums for older from drum brake cars in the past just for this reason. Just don't get carried away with to many holes lol.
Rock crawlers are supposed to have a soft suspension, helps keep the tires planted when crawling. Great build. Enjoy watching
I love these power wheels builds, maybe you can put the steering forward on the other side of that bar and go through the engine plate to make a little more room?
one of these days they'll learn to stop putting the steering between their knees
I would put 2 more layers of padding and the red Bubba shocks on the back, then paint the frame!
Yep, Ike's fat a$$ requires it. Additionally, I am sure they weigh more than the engine/etc. in the front thus the need for a more aggressive spring in the rear to actually have a level ride height vice the squat they now have.
Ike: Runs log outside
Ike: sneaks out with axe
Ike: KIYAAH!
John: The fuck?
I was rolling on the floor laughing and still re-watch this part i am loosing the plot over here in New zealand
You guys are almost to 1 million subs. That's freaking awesome!
You could change the rear suspension "stiffness" by standing the rear shocks up more vertical. I might also help the roll
Black shocks on front like you have done and put the red shocks on the back. It will work better. Keep safe guys and hope everyone is well..
2:28 was probably me sending another snapchat of a Honda ATC 😂😂
Love watching you should test putting red shocks in the back as you weigh more than the engine so it will then all react smoother and potentially keep that wheel down
It's a good thing y'all lengthened that little Bronco. :-P Drop the front end in a big hole and me thinks you will do a forward flip. Forward flips with machines are not fun; I've had experience with that.
I’ve always wondered why the rear shocks are at such a steep angle, it essentially defeats the spring, placing it closer to straight up and down would make it not sag as much and allow the springs and shocks to do their jobs more effectively.
you know they are cool dudes when they cant resist a test ride even in freezing rain
Change out the spring and weights in torque converter for more rpm and harder launches
THIS!!! That engine RPM should be higher! needs heavier weights in the primary!
Its know wonder the rear is soft with them shocks so layed down, you would have to have twice as much spring to make it as stiff as a shock standing up.
Just some tasteful fender flares on the body and I think it looks like a bunch of fun.
When you are changing gearing. Changing the small sprocket in the equation has a greater effect than changing the large one. Example, if you have a 12 tooth clutch and a 60 tooth wheel, you will get a 5 times the change adding or removing one tooth to the clutch versus adding or removing one tooth to the wheel.
They can't even do the simple math to figure out the ratio,I think what your telling them may be above their ability
Uhh, no. It’s not 5 times the change. Yes a tooth difference on the smaller gear will have more of an effect than a tooth on the larger gear but no where near 5 times.
The gear ratio is calculated by dividing the number of teeth of the driving gear by the number of teeth of the driven gear. Doesn’t matter which is changed, it’s always that formula to calculate the change.
This thing is a little beast!!!
9:16 "This is glue. Strong stuff." Can't help myself :)
Ok Elwood 😎
A split tooth sprocket would save sooooo much time!
Yeah, and they've used em 20 times on other builds.
I want that....kool build
RJ
Yuppp I'm convinced I need to build a power wheels Kart. 🤘
Nice job guys
That thing is pretty awesome
Thing is awesome!! Looks like it shaping up nicely...
I think if you turn down the huge hub in a lathe it would make for a good video. I know I'd enjoy it.
Looks like it rides like a Cadillac 😁👍
The suspension looks perfect
I love this build! But I really feel like it desperately needs another 8-12" of length. I know Ike would sure appreciate it
Just some outboard footpegs would make a big difference.
But right now they can lay claim to having the smallest four wheel drive Power Wheels go kart build on You Tube. plus they are trying to keep the power to weigh ratio as good as they can. I can say for them but would be a guess.
@@harryrenner4016 Yeah if they are trying to hold the record for the smallest then I guess it makes sense
Today on cars and cameras were
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THE CROSS CART IS MAKING A COME BACK. i will say that with that new engine, suspension, and the rest of stuff it will absolutely smoke the trophy kart😤
I think you guy should weld on some mounts on the gas tank for a racing seat instead of a camping pad. Put some memory foam on top of the camping pad with a piece of vinil over top of it. You need a better carburator. That one bogs out. Testing is just part of working out the bugs. If you lenghten the steering shaft longer, you two could easily steer it better with out hitting your knees and legs. Good video! 😁👍 Don't be mad at me. I was just sugesting.
The new gearing seems just right! I'd be curious to see how it would perform on some slicks 🤔
You guys should plasma cut sprockets
John almost looks like a French mountain man in that knit hat and beard.
I thought the same thing. Like a French Canadian fur trapper.
this is so sick
I thought some of y’all would appreciate this I’m welding a walk behind tiller to the back of a four wheeler and welding four wheeler hubs to the plows so I’m building a new four wheeler
Ive got a 4 4cyl 4 wheeler dirt dragster . with 25" skatvtrack rippers. On the back . it can till the garden
...lol
Try the red shocks on the back.
That 3lbs really throws off all that other weight youve got packed on there 🤣🤣🤣
thinking the same thing here lol
Thing has more rotating mass than my car
It's because it's rotating mass then it "heavier" than it just being on the cart. If that makes sense
@@tomward7518 i believe the equation is 1lb of rotational weight is equal to 10lbs of static weight
grind hard plumbing co lengthened there Barbie jeep and it looks great. so did rather b welding. it would make Ike look less like king Kong in the bronco.
They have also
Defeats their original objective of going for the smallest unit, which it looks like they've achieved rather well.
Make a new exhaust for that little ford bronco
The shocks of the same length should have the same travel, its just the stiffness and rebound that should change.
that Fast and Furious ref tho :-)
U gotta lengthen this thing about 4 inches
I would 6 - 8 inches .
@@dalesakawsky7309 thats a good idea, but I don't think the body would look right
@@lowryder3209 - Screw the body at this point.
@@lowryder3209 Just like a limo just do it , easy to make body panels .
If they'd just cut off the "tailgate", they could scoot back 3 or 4 inches before it started doing wheelies, lol.
Drill some holes in that heavy hub.
Glue a second layer of padding too
What heavy tub?
@@donellmuniz590 hub
Jesus i remember when you were building the 4 engine kart has it been that long. Honestly think the 4 engine will win. Its a bit of a beast.
You could always double your foam! Looks great y’all
Sway bar on that front would fix your lean- I'd move the wheel out and up- and put a hydraulic brake of some sort... what a project gents!
Guys
Black in back..chrome up front?
"Rock the Shock" Another motto! 👍
It looks like that front end got real light at speed
So close to 1 million subs!!! Keep it up! I've been watching for nearly 5 years, and loved every video!
If you move the rear upper shock mounts further up the chassis, closer to the fuel tank, it will also stiffen up and give you more articulation. You want a resting positive rake so it’s somewhat level while one of you are riding.
Why not use split sprockets for the larger ones?
its the angle of the rears that make it softer..
Man id love to come see you guys and all the stuff you've built!
me too!
Maybe someday, after the pandemic, they could have an Open House! They got room there for a couple hundred cars, lol.
@@donellmuniz590 and a couple hundred cameras!
Lengthen the steering shaft and install the steering wheel taller. It will clear your knees a lot better and maybe Isaac will be able to drive it.
Nice wood stove 🔥
You need to build a 190cc shifter minibike. You could cut the tabs to mount it on the laser cutter
You mean a Lifan Honda clone engine and trans? Might as well use a Z50 frame, right? Keep it all (ersatz) Honda.
I love to watch all of these projects
I'm going to keep saying it. Good Job, I like that you kept the factory wheelbase. I hope you are going to fully weld the double tube frame. 👍🏼👍🏼
That comparison will be awesome. The original four engine 4-wheel drive build is the reason I came to your Channel and have been a subscriber ever since.
I'm not even going to read the other comments before putting in my two cents about the suspension but here goes. The reason your inside front tire is lifting up on higher speed curves has nothing to do with your front suspension settings. Your 2hole issue is with the 4ear suspension setup. When you go around a corner like that all the forces get shifted to the outside rear. If your rear suspension is way to soft like yours the outside rear completely compresses and the centrifugal forces of cornering will lift the inside front. In other words put the chromes back on the front and put the reds on the rear. Giving the rear a 2 stiffness advantage over the front might completely fix the issue with no other modification needed. If it still lifts then you need to redesign your rear shock mounting location to give more advantage to the spring and damper, ie mount it significantly more vertically. The the front won't lift at all.
You guys should try to find a Honda Odyssey fl 250.
You connected the drum break backwards. If the solid mounting point is on the bottom and the cable is on the top the The friction when applying the brake will tend to pull the band towards your cable assisting in the break action. With the cable on the bottom the friction pulls against your cable trying to open the band up fighting Against the braking action.
It sure would be sweet to be able to disengage 4x4
whats under the tarp boys???
It would be so cool to double the crome shocks.👍🏼👍🏼
Looks like it’s geared better now. 👍
I mess around like you guys do in my shop. I am not an expert but my observation on the Bronco being too soft is that your rear shocks are layed down “way” too low. As your suspension compresses the rear shocks loose their leverage and spring rate is decreased
alot! Please raise the top mount. You may have to also move the lower one twords the swing arm pivot to retain your ride height.
I never write comments.
I love your show to watch when my shop is too cold to work in.
Keep the vids coming 😎
Don't forget to put your other 2 lug nuts back on 19:10 . Nice improvements guys!
I would really reccomend stretching the frame in length for better steering, stability and better fitting for Ike!
Shock angle on the rear shocks are making them seem softer. Weight is hung out over the upper mounts. So, you got some leveraged weight. I's throw the red ones on the back or stand them up.
a rear sway bar will do wonders to reduce understeer and maybe it will let it kick out a little easier, looks really sweet and keep up the good work
The question is when is the frame gonna get painting 😳👀
Probably when the build gets more solid, and it gets warmer out.
Once the frame is rusted until the point you touch it and it turns to dust
You could use that hub as a band break lol
Bring the 2 stroke go cart back out
Get one of those old school square boat pad/life preservers. They are about 2” thick and make a good seat padding for this type of thing....
I can’t wait till the summer and it’s dry so they can set some real lap times with all the new projects.
thank you for the pinto reference
Put the drum brake on the sprocket, has enough metal for it! Ever though of using old valve springs under seat? So bend the angle of steering wheel to get taller angle.
Should probably run red in the rear and black in the front, adjusted all the way to hard. Remember you can always make a 1 inch shock lift spacer to go in-between the shock and upper shock mount to bring up the ride hight,with out making it too top heavy. The spring rate is different (under load) with new shocks, you wear dry testing the shocks
I’d say you need to change the springs in the torque converter so you can get that high rpm strong launch, and wheelies without sacrificing too much top seed
Always love watching the channel. Can't wait for the next one!
Ya
You guys and Vice Grip Garage are my favorite wrenching channels.
My 2 faves also.
Next Project: bigger version of this but with a 450 dirtbike motor
Would love to see that in the snow...put that AWD to work
Sway bar could help w body roll and keep the suspension pretty soft. Maybe one for a quad would work. Then detach the ends for rock crawling.
Almost a million can't wait
Red in the back for sure
Perhaps you may need to customize the body a bit more.
Boys, dont sweat the weight of the new sprocket. It's like a 2nd flywheel, it adds torque for getting out of mud and launches.
My wife has a message for Isaac, " Isaac, sugar, the beard must go."
and, "Great vid, y'all!"
Naw beards are awesome
Makes him look older. I like the young Isaac look
You all need to put a set of handle bars onto it and a backbone for a seat and turn it into a quad runner.
Too bad you couldn't whip off sprockets on your plasma table. Working a lot better with that gearing. 👍
Don't think of it as adding weight to the build. Think of it as shifting the center of gravity a touch lower. :3
I’ve been here since the beginning
I wonder if the frame twisted with the rear axle arms attaching to the center crooked
rad