Good stuff! I bought a cheap punch that gives me the pefect piece of cereal box cardboard for the top and if im not going to shoot that day i use 3 drops of white elmers glue to set it. P.s. For anybody trying to learn...smokeless powder is a much different powder measurement. Cheers!
Interesting video. And you have tried to put together a very compact kit. Couple suggestions. The 410 falls in the "45 caliber or less" category, so 3-F would be a better choice. Obtain, or make, a short starter with a palm swell. Then you won't need to hammer on the powder. Just a little extra weight applied to a short starter will get that "crunch" you are looking for (proof of good compression). The 45 wad is the correct wad for the 410. It's supposed to be tight to work right. Instead of tearing apart large compression wads, you can get proper sized ones from Track of the Wolf, or Circle Fly. Or you can sharpen the edge of a 45 case and cut your own. Since you already have a couple of Lee dippers, I would suggest you get a complete kit. It will have a scoop that will throw what you want. For depriming and repriming get a one inch thick board about 1.5 in x 2.5 in. Bore a hole through one end and inlet a washer that will let the primer through. You'll have a solid, steady base for depriming. The other end of the block, inlet a small, flat piece of steel to serve as a base for repriming. A lot more efficient and steadier than finding an edge of something that can be used (lighter too). Your beeswax "cap" is fair enough if you shoot them that day, but you'll get better results if you build up a little pressure on firing. An overshot card and a roll crimp (or the card and glue) will help get those better pressures. As for using a lighter to melt the beeswax ..... save that step for the very last and DEFINITELY after clearing all powder away from your work area. Good luck!
Thanks for the video just a refresher I seen this video a few years back I have also used just cardboard top with a little bit of candle wax works well too
Thanks for the teacher I thought you needed all those special tools and all that but I'm afraid you can do it just like that awesome and I like how you reuse yet your the two containers I use them for screws and other things but thanks for the good teaching my friend keep up the good work I'll keep watching
Stated previously but you need over shot cards so your shot isn’t 1/2 a waxed slug. Cards n glue is best. Use three cards for your over powder to save room for more shot or use shot cups n cut them to the size you need.
But if wax held shot is making great patterns for him, why would he need the extra work for potentially worse patterns? And WHO decided 'card and glue' is best??
Dusty if you need a good measuring piece for the 7 1/2 shot use a 44mag case, just scoop and brush off top and it is 1/2 ounce. You may be able to do the same with the black powder, measure in your tube and find pistol brass, maybe 44mag or 45 colt. They would be small enough to put in your reloading kit. With some Winchester HS hulls in 3 inch you could cut the crimp off and load like 2 1/2 inch and the full 1/2 ounce of 7 1/2 shot. Have fun
Nice video thank you. The spout on ur flask is I believe 20/25 grain just for future reference. Just hold it open upside down (finger covering the opening) then turn it right side up and u should have said powder charged in ur spout.
You could use over shot cards and roll crimp them. While at your bench. I found a small slow cooker at a garage sale and I use it to melt my wax and add shot for wax slugs.
Thanks for the info. Enjoyed the video. I’m thinking a socket from a socket wrench set that would fit the base of the 410 shell as a base to deprime the hull or maybe a hex nut. Just a thought thanks.
Buy your self a 410 survival reloader when they get back innstock I have one and it's awesome comes with all the tools except for a 16 oz rubber mallet
If I'm only gone for a day or two, I don't clean in field. But when I get home it's hot water down barrel, then solvent, then oil. 5 patches normally does it
For squirrel, I would put an over the shot card, then either wax, or glue, perhaps Elmer's wood glue. I don't want to take a chance on hitting a squirrel with a slug.
I load .410 single ball loads with 35grs of 2F equivalent with just paper towel wadding a single .36 caliber ball since I have a full choke. Then more paper towel packed on top sealed with wax. It makes a fun load to just shoot at the range for the black powder itch. I tried to group them and it was about a foot in diameter at 25yrds 😂
I have a real old 410 that only takes 2 1/4 shells, which really cant find, what amount shot/powder suggested for cutting one down to this size and for making 2" mini shells?
Does it say "Nitro proof" Anywhere on the barrel perhaps under the forestock? If it does not. I wouldn't use smokeless powder. But I would start with 25grains of FF and maybe weigh out 25grains of whatever shot you use. Basic 50/50 load for a cup maybe cut down a standard 410 shot cup, if you wanna use them.
I read online in a dedicated BP shotgun book. 2" 410 25grains of powder. 3/8oz lead shot. Work the powder up from there. You cant fit enough BLACK powder in such a short shell to overpressure the barrel. It even had date for 6 drams/160ish grains BP for a 12 blank. Thats a serious amount of powder.
Did you use a shotcup of some sort with the 40 cal musket balls? Do you use 1 ball per round? I've heard stories about using multiple lead balls who deform each other when excellerating, causing to expand and blow out the choke.
@@pinocolada4254 I weigh my smokeless...20 grains110 Hodgdon...or 40 grains black powder by volumn with a clear tube type measuring device...has increment marked off in grains. I only put in one .40 cal musket ball and fire out of my Rossi .410. The .40 cal ball doesn't have any trouble with the barrel. I use small wads of paper towel pressed in above the powder and another one pressed in above the ball and then cap it off with some candle wax. Black powder works good but dirty. If you want to use your gun like a musket cut the brass from the shell with a new primer....pour in the black powder....and then ram a patched ball down the barrel.
Dusty, has anyone tried disposable paper shells? Seems that the only purpose of the brass base is for easier ejection of the spent hull. After all, BP cap and ball does it, and pressure is not an issue there.
Smokeless shotgun hulls used to be made of paper before plastic came along. The main issue with using just plastic or paper is that they wouldn't seal the breech as well as brass does on firing.
Get your self the survival loader for 410 for about 80dollars and reload out in the truck or at home. I baught one and it comes with everything you need except for powder,shot,wads and primers
You are asking for disaster!! I would never pound on black powder sitting on top of a hot primer nor would I get a flame anywhere near my table with black powder!! I know you have perform that task many times, but black powder is so much more volatile than smokeless!! Glue a card on the end of that thing don’t use a flame around it and press the powder don’t pound it!!!
Awesome Im sure you ll be safe to do that. Especially a break open 410. Im also going to reload bp in 410 n 12 ga. Since everything is scarce now days down here..
I’ve seen charges go up to the equivalent of the caliber of your bore. So with 410 you actually should be safe up to 40 grains of BP . Of course safety and research is key in any of this 🙏
Because another box of shells takes up too much kit space when your backpacking, plus you can tweak your loads on the go for the situation, instead of carrying 5 different boxes of ammo type.
@@Dusty_Tucker Maybe you are in a Bidan inspired survival situation. No business's open, no gas or electricity for transportation, no firearms or ammo available.
Io vivo in Canada e vedo che sono un po morti di fame in nord america. Ho appena visto un altro video di una che si costruiva una bobina per il 410 con un pezzo di legno e un chiodo! Neanche in Africa!! Cazzo. 🤣🙆🤦
Why not invest in a good Mec 650 and use smokeless powder? It seems that it would be faster and a lot safer. All of that beating with a mallet made me nervous.
Good stuff! I bought a cheap punch that gives me the pefect piece of cereal box cardboard for the top and if im not going to shoot that day i use 3 drops of white elmers glue to set it. P.s. For anybody trying to learn...smokeless powder is a much different powder measurement. Cheers!
Interesting video. And you have tried to put together a very compact kit. Couple suggestions. The 410 falls in the "45 caliber or less" category, so 3-F would be a better choice. Obtain, or make, a short starter with a palm swell. Then you won't need to hammer on the powder. Just a little extra weight applied to a short starter will get that "crunch" you are looking for (proof of good compression). The 45 wad is the correct wad for the 410. It's supposed to be tight to work right. Instead of tearing apart large compression wads, you can get proper sized ones from Track of the Wolf, or Circle Fly. Or you can sharpen the edge of a 45 case and cut your own. Since you already have a couple of Lee dippers, I would suggest you get a complete kit. It will have a scoop that will throw what you want. For depriming and repriming get a one inch thick board about 1.5 in x 2.5 in. Bore a hole through one end and inlet a washer that will let the primer through. You'll have a solid, steady base for depriming. The other end of the block, inlet a small, flat piece of steel to serve as a base for repriming. A lot more efficient and steadier than finding an edge of something that can be used (lighter too). Your beeswax "cap" is fair enough if you shoot them that day, but you'll get better results if you build up a little pressure on firing. An overshot card and a roll crimp (or the card and glue) will help get those better pressures. As for using a lighter to melt the beeswax ..... save that step for the very last and DEFINITELY after clearing all powder away from your work area. Good luck!
Great video! I’ve never tried black powder in 410 shells, but I’m about to
Thank you!! And thanks for watching
Bonus points , you can carry a spare 410 round in the ear lobe 😀
Thanks for the video just a refresher I seen this video a few years back I have also used just cardboard top with a little bit of candle wax works well too
Thanks for the teacher I thought you needed all those special tools and all that but I'm afraid you can do it just like that awesome and I like how you reuse yet your the two containers I use them for screws and other things but thanks for the good teaching my friend keep up the good work I'll keep watching
I never previously had a use for gauged ear people’s opinions. Thank you for expanding my tolerance.
I enjoyed your video very much. Also like that military issue sweater.
Stated previously but you need over shot cards so your shot isn’t 1/2 a waxed slug. Cards n glue is best.
Use three cards for your over powder to save room for more shot or use shot cups n cut them to the size you need.
But if wax held shot is making great patterns for him, why would he need the extra work for potentially worse patterns?
And WHO decided 'card and glue' is best??
think i would put a paper disk over the shot before the wax
Dusty if you need a good measuring piece for the 7 1/2 shot use a 44mag case, just scoop and brush off top and it is 1/2 ounce. You may be able to do the same with the black powder, measure in your tube and find pistol brass, maybe 44mag or 45 colt. They would be small enough to put in your reloading kit. With some Winchester HS hulls in 3 inch you could cut the crimp off and load like 2 1/2 inch and the full 1/2 ounce of 7 1/2 shot. Have fun
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you could also trim the case down a bit to adjust the shot/powder load
Nice video thank you. The spout on ur flask is I believe 20/25 grain just for future reference. Just hold it open upside down (finger covering the opening) then turn it right side up and u should have said powder charged in ur spout.
I remember buying spouts that were overlength, so one could trim them to the desired volume.
You could get one for powder and one for shot
awesome video ... 410 is my cabin hanger
You could use over shot cards and roll crimp them. While at your bench.
I found a small slow cooker at a garage sale and I use it to melt my wax and add shot for wax slugs.
A 1/2" socket will work to deprime over.
another small tool to lose in the field?
Thanks for the info. Enjoyed the video. I’m thinking a socket from a socket wrench set that would fit the base of the 410 shell as a base to deprime the hull or maybe a hex nut. Just a thought thanks.
Buy your self a 410 survival reloader when they get back innstock I have one and it's awesome comes with all the tools except for a 16 oz rubber mallet
Excellent video, thanks for sharing. How is the barrel cleanup after firing? Do you bring a cleaning kit with you in the field.
If I'm only gone for a day or two, I don't clean in field. But when I get home it's hot water down barrel, then solvent, then oil. 5 patches normally does it
I used to do this with 3f 35 grains works good in all my 410 s gets dirty quick though
Good post.
Was 410 ever made in Black powder? Were there any 410 black powder shotguns made?
For squirrel, I would put an over the shot card, then either wax, or glue, perhaps Elmer's wood glue. I don't want to take a chance on hitting a squirrel with a slug.
Thanks for this.
I load .410 single ball loads with 35grs of 2F equivalent with just paper towel wadding a single .36 caliber ball since I have a full choke. Then more paper towel packed on top sealed with wax. It makes a fun load to just shoot at the range for the black powder itch. I tried to group them and it was about a foot in diameter at 25yrds 😂
Do not have to cut it. Just expand neck and load as you do. 3/4--- oz. Hunkydorry!
You only need to cut it if your going to roll crimp if not leave it and get the Lee star crimper
I cut it so the wad fits easy down inside
@@Dusty_Tucker leaves a nicer end finish
But then you have to crimp...
Get a punch that will cut wads from beer coasters or cereal boxes.
Put two or three wads over the powder and one thin one over the shot.
I have all of the above, Just demonstrating what you could use bare bones. Thanks for watching
That is the easiest way to do it! I get that you were doing it for primitive loading. Just the essentials. Great video
I’m assuming you mean prairie chickens. No farmer I know would enjoy you hunting his chickens! LOL
Great job
good video thanks
I have a real old 410 that only takes 2 1/4 shells, which really cant find, what amount shot/powder suggested for cutting one down to this size and for making 2" mini shells?
Does it say "Nitro proof" Anywhere on the barrel perhaps under the forestock? If it does not. I wouldn't use smokeless powder. But I would start with 25grains of FF and maybe weigh out 25grains of whatever shot you use. Basic 50/50 load for a cup maybe cut down a standard 410 shot cup, if you wanna use them.
I read online in a dedicated BP shotgun book. 2" 410
25grains of powder. 3/8oz lead shot.
Work the powder up from there. You cant fit enough BLACK powder in such a short shell to overpressure the barrel. It even had date for 6 drams/160ish grains BP for a 12 blank. Thats a serious amount of powder.
Such good shooters too! And so cheap per shell!!
Awesome!!
Candle wax work ok?
Possibly!? It's a bit harder, but in a pinch I'd imagine it's probably ok.
Some drink cartons have plastic bonded card board that is stronger. For punched wads.
Can you show me what this will do throu a chronograph I'm curious to see the fps on any or all of the loads you've come up with
I wish I had a chrony to test a bunch of stuff
Can you get slugs for 410.
I use 40 grains of black powder by volumn or 20 grains by weight of smokeless. I also use 40 cal. musket balls for slugs.
Did you use a shotcup of some sort with the 40 cal musket balls?
Do you use 1 ball per round? I've heard stories about using multiple lead balls who deform each other when excellerating, causing to expand and blow out the choke.
@@pinocolada4254 I weigh my smokeless...20 grains110 Hodgdon...or 40 grains black powder by volumn with a clear tube type measuring device...has increment marked off in grains. I only put in one .40 cal musket ball and fire out of my Rossi .410. The .40 cal ball doesn't have any trouble with the barrel. I use small wads of paper towel pressed in above the powder and another one pressed in above the ball and then cap it off with some candle wax. Black powder works good but dirty. If you want to use your gun like a musket cut the brass from the shell with a new primer....pour in the black powder....and then ram a patched ball down the barrel.
Some people use 444 Marlin cases to load shells for their 410's should last a lifetime
Use a 25 g spout on the flask.
Thanks dude
Use a socket in the field instead of an open end wrench it works good
This is awesome!! If you don’t mind answering, why that gun powder and not smokeless?
hard to make your own smokeless....
Thanks. Sir
Dusty, has anyone tried disposable paper shells? Seems that the only purpose of the brass base is for easier ejection of the spent hull. After all, BP cap and ball does it, and pressure is not an issue there.
Smokeless shotgun hulls used to be made of paper before plastic came along. The main issue with using just plastic or paper is that they wouldn't seal the breech as well as brass does on firing.
do you need a linice to do that reloading them
Get your self the survival loader for 410 for about 80dollars and reload out in the truck or at home. I baught one and it comes with everything you need except for powder,shot,wads and primers
You are asking for disaster!! I would never pound on black powder sitting on top of a hot primer nor would I get a flame anywhere near my table with black powder!! I know you have perform that task many times, but black powder is so much more volatile than smokeless!! Glue a card on the end of that thing don’t use a flame around it and press the powder don’t pound it!!!
I am working on a 12oz thick leather slab on my bench, nothing should go boom. but thank you for your concern.
@@Dusty_Tucker u can dent a primer on ur leather still and boom ram rod in ur head
He’s got “gauges” in his ears, what did you expect? 😅
@@benjaminleatham1587So when can we expect your rebuttal video?
Thanks
Resizing? Missed that part.
with light loads, it is not required
Have you ever tried 30grains yet in the 410.
Not yet! I'm sure the gun I'm shooting these in can handle an extra 5 grains, I'll probably try it out soon!
Awesome Im sure you ll be safe to do that. Especially a break open 410. Im also going to reload bp in 410 n 12 ga. Since everything is scarce now days down here..
@@garywhelansr5602 Old black powder chart shows 30 grains to 1/2 ounce of shot, 2 1/2 inch shell.....
@@gregzeigler3850 thank you for the information sir
I’ve seen charges go up to the equivalent of the caliber of your bore. So with 410 you actually should be safe up to 40 grains of BP . Of course safety and research is key in any of this 🙏
Instead of reloading in the field why don’t you just bring another box of shells ?
Because another box of shells takes up too much kit space when your backpacking, plus you can tweak your loads on the go for the situation, instead of carrying 5 different boxes of ammo type.
@@Dusty_Tucker Maybe you are in a Bidan inspired survival situation. No business's open, no gas or electricity for transportation, no firearms or ammo available.
What size socket is that
Quiero comprar munición .410 ¿está a la venta?
Isn't the powder volume the same as the shot?
I think that old wive's tale was from the muzzleloading days
Esistono in commercio i taglia cartucce, le bilance, per pesare la polvere e piombo. Con la cera solo sotto gli sci
Hahahaahhahah pultroppo non credo che questo parla italiano 🤣🤣🤣 incredibile cosa fanno questi nord americani 🤦🤣👍
Io vivo in Canada e vedo che sono un po morti di fame in nord america. Ho appena visto un altro video di una che si costruiva una bobina per il 410 con un pezzo di legno e un chiodo! Neanche in Africa!! Cazzo. 🤣🙆🤦
Exactly, I know what you mean.
Why not invest in a good Mec 650 and use smokeless powder? It seems that it would be faster and a lot safer. All of that beating with a mallet made me nervous.
Why not buy factory shells. LOL
I would never shoot enough just hunting squirrels to make back the cost of a Mec lading system.
That's why
You have big enough pockets to fit and carry around a MEC650 when primitive camping?
@@davidgiffordsr.930 Better yet, just buy your meat from the store!
How not use an over shot card and seal it with bees was. A 45 cal. Over shot card
WHAT!! NO EYE PROTECTION!! be safe
open flame near black powder can??? Wow, you are calling for an hospital emergency visit very soon...
Painful to watch .. uneeda loading block, Dusty. Sooo much easier.....! Great video.. very helpful.
To much powder. I think
Poor demo