Thnaks for posting this! I've wanted to see this film for years - Ian Rintoul actually made it in 1967 (I'm not sure why the video says 'Copyright 2003' at the start) and he made a name for himself with what were said to be (I'm going on what I've read, until now I'd not seen any) very good short documentary films in the 1970s and 1980s, which he made in his garage. Funnily enough, one of his helpers was Stephen Begg who is now a big name in miniature visual effects.
When the driver's engine was recovered it was discovered the throttle was open and no attempt was made to brake, suggesting there was no pre-warning that the bridge was about to fall. The engine went back into service and was known to all railwaymen as "The Diver".
@@pheart2381 Well, actually, when the engine and its train fell into the Tay, it was protected from damage by the High Girders surrounding it. And it only lay in the water for about four months or so before being fished out, so it was surprisingly sound for such a high fall - indeed, they were able to take it to Cowlairs on its own wheels it was in such good nick! It ended up working very reliably for another 40 years before being withdrawn, and even ran safely across the second Tay Bridge on the 29th anniversary of the disaster.
Interesting and atmospheric footage but slightly,historically flawed in that when salvaged, the loco was still within the high girders and not thrown free like in the film.
Hello, great movie, congratulations! I would like to use some footage of it for a documentary. How could we get in contact? Your website doesn't seem to work... Thank you very much in advance!
It was a very very unwise design structure. Using the information shown at 1:01 ,the columns had an aspect ratio of about 10:1 and that means a side wind acting on the top generating about 1 Ton of lateral force would be torqued to about 10 Tons at the foundations, In addition to this, the fact that the bridge was long and straight, then any side impulse forces as localised bursts of wind, could resonate the bridge to cause standing waves on it, which would produce large forces. I believe that the stumps of the old bridge could only take the compression and not the tension that would have torqued those columns to a side wind much better, than relying on the weight of the bridge itself to hold it down! The designer seems to have a habit of minimising costs to win contracts and not to build beautiful and elegant bridges. It was fortunate in a way not to use his design to build the Forth Bridge. A bridge should be Elegant and Majestic and not just a long horizontal strip as a roof truss, to join two far ends across a valley or a strip of water.
My grandfather sang a Tay Bridge song to my mother when she was 2 and 3 years old. That would have been in 1912 and 13 . He died in 1914. My mother was 4 years old
That's what really irritates me about so many artworks and recreations of the disaster; whether as a bid to sensationalise the disaster or because they haven't checked the facts, they often show the train falling off the bridge as shown here. It's exactly because it didn't that the engine survived to be rebuilt. If I get to do a recreation of my own, as I'm hoping to do, I for one intend to take great care to ensure that the train remains trapped in the High Girders as per that night.
Bill Dryden actually the bridge was broken bc in the process of making it the iron had fell and bent so instead of getting a new one they bent it back into shape and that was th cause
+WorldGrandPrix Actually they had, but as months went on, the drivers of trains kept driving the trains too fast over the bridge. Plus they had reused a fallen girder. The iron had lost it's strength, so yes, the workmen were at fault, but it was the drivers fault too.
People were warned for months about the structural integrity of the Tay Bridge. Workers "patched up" the bridge with fucking wax and iron filings and dust so it would pass, which is probably the biggest facepalming part about this whole disaster....that's just neglect on an already poor design. The WHOLE strength of the bridge was in it's Iron cross braces and cast lugs, which really was not designed with lateral loading in mind. Wind (which was above gale force that night), poor design, deceptive patching and locomotive speed were all factors here.
Its those in charge, those who signed it off, those responsible for the cost cutting, those answering to the bean counters: not the workers who certainly then, were only doing as told.
Thanks for your comments!
Thnaks for posting this! I've wanted to see this film for years - Ian Rintoul actually made it in 1967 (I'm not sure why the video says 'Copyright 2003' at the start) and he made a name for himself with what were said to be (I'm going on what I've read, until now I'd not seen any) very good short documentary films in the 1970s and 1980s, which he made in his garage. Funnily enough, one of his helpers was Stephen Begg who is now a big name in miniature visual effects.
The Bridge is Down by Andre Gren is also a very good book about the disaster and one of the most recent.
I figured someone must have made a reenactment and here it is! I like the way the footage and voice-over put us back in that former time.
When the driver's engine was recovered it was discovered the throttle was open and no attempt was made to brake, suggesting there was no pre-warning that the bridge was about to fall. The engine went back into service and was known to all railwaymen as "The Diver".
Dave Webster They made the exact same mistake in Hatter’s Castle too.
They continued to use it? Thats outrageous!
P Heart Why is it outrageous they decided to reuse the engine?
@@pheart2381 Well, actually, when the engine and its train fell into the Tay, it was protected from damage by the High Girders surrounding it. And it only lay in the water for about four months or so before being fished out, so it was surprisingly sound for such a high fall - indeed, they were able to take it to Cowlairs on its own wheels it was in such good nick! It ended up working very reliably for another 40 years before being withdrawn, and even ran safely across the second Tay Bridge on the 29th anniversary of the disaster.
Today marked the 140th anniversary of this terrible disaster. May the poor 75 passengers rest in peace.
I the colored version. Why is it black and white?
Interesting and atmospheric footage but slightly,historically flawed in that when salvaged, the loco was still within the high girders and not thrown free like in the film.
Hello, great movie, congratulations!
I would like to use some footage of it for a documentary. How could we get in contact? Your website doesn't seem to work...
Thank you very much in advance!
It was a very very unwise design structure. Using the information shown at 1:01 ,the columns had an aspect ratio of about 10:1 and that means a side wind acting on the top generating about 1 Ton of lateral force would be torqued to about 10 Tons at the foundations, In addition to this, the fact that the bridge was long and straight, then any side impulse forces as localised bursts of wind, could resonate the bridge to cause standing waves on it, which would produce large forces. I believe that the stumps of the old bridge could only take the compression and not the tension that would have torqued those columns to a side wind much better, than relying on the weight of the bridge itself to hold it down! The designer seems to have a habit of minimising costs to win contracts and not to build beautiful and elegant bridges. It was fortunate in a way not to use his design to build the Forth Bridge. A bridge should be Elegant and Majestic and not just a long horizontal strip as a roof truss, to join two far ends across a valley or a strip of water.
you can seeit by searching The Tay Rail Bridge Disaster/ The Edinburgh
Only just seen this film remarkable, made something very similar for a video and audio course at Dundee College just a couple of years ago.
The Tay Bridge Disaster would be a horrible nightmare for Thomas the tank engine to wake up from.
Laurence Oliveri there is FanFiction based on the event called Rolf’s Castle Bridge Disaster.
Sorry but u should not be joking about that think about the children baby’s newborns adults teens that all died,
Wow I never imagine of footage like this one.
And every year on the date of his accident, it runs again as a warning to others! Plunging into the gap! Shreiking like a lost soul!!!
I've got a video of the restored & back 2 work loco, nicknamed "The Diver".
Excellent - very haunting, very well done.
nw40001 are I am 84 years
My grandfather sang a Tay Bridge song to my mother when she was 2 and 3 years old. That would have been in 1912 and 13 . He died in 1914. My mother was 4 years old
Wow! Incredible!
very good, I liked this :)
It's the Old bag here. Yep that't me. So why did a train fall off me.
@ 5:19 those are some big Lionel train flanges. lol
@capodicino even better, get "The High Girders" from John Prebble
It is because there was multiple faults with it meaning when the big storm came it fell
Awesome model
Me too
sad did you see that little baby
Loren Pontiff I know I cried when I thought about her
In real life, there was no baby on the train. The youngest passenger was Bella Neish, who was four years old.
Low budget and hokey production, but I like it nonetheless (the film, that is, not the event.)
Dramatic but inaccurate. The train didn't fall from the bridge, the bridge fell with the train inside the box girder.
mtskull59 They made that mistake in Hatter’s Castle.
That's what really irritates me about so many artworks and recreations of the disaster; whether as a bid to sensationalise the disaster or because they haven't checked the facts, they often show the train falling off the bridge as shown here. It's exactly because it didn't that the engine survived to be rebuilt. If I get to do a recreation of my own, as I'm hoping to do, I for one intend to take great care to ensure that the train remains trapped in the High Girders as per that night.
Not true, the bridge had many faults, including it's poor design and cheap materials.
Bill Dryden actually the bridge was broken bc in the process of making it the iron had fell and bent so instead of getting a new one they bent it back into shape and that was th cause
It was the workers problem they didn't test it
+WorldGrandPrix Actually they had, but as months went on, the drivers of trains kept driving the trains too fast over the bridge. Plus they had reused a fallen girder. The iron had lost it's strength, so yes, the workmen were at fault, but it was the drivers fault too.
Riley Railfanning They did test the Tay Bridge. The Government Inspector recommended a speed limit of of 25 mph
People were warned for months about the structural integrity of the Tay Bridge. Workers "patched up" the bridge with fucking wax and iron filings and dust so it would pass, which is probably the biggest facepalming part about this whole disaster....that's just neglect on an already poor design. The WHOLE strength of the bridge was in it's Iron cross braces and cast lugs, which really was not designed with lateral loading in mind. Wind (which was above gale force that night), poor design, deceptive patching and locomotive speed were all factors here.
Its those in charge, those who signed it off, those responsible for the cost cutting, those answering to the bean counters: not the workers who certainly then, were only doing as told.
It was badly designed & badly built.