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@@sahaprocks7751 I joined his patreon and asked him if he had heard of the channel before. He said that he hadn't, but that he would check it out. He later replied that he saw it and liked it.
Technically, Ridley is actually the only newcomer in Ultimate to have alts that were cut. In the demo that was used for the first ultimate tournament, Ridley had color alts that were based on Meta Ridley and Mecha Ridley. Of course, when Ultimate released, and as seen in the initial trailer, they were replaced by Meta Ridley as alternate costumes. Which I think we can agree is a FAR better choice, but it's interesting to note.
@@dslai2938Yes, that is still technically cut content, just content cut before the release of the game. Same as with any cut pre-release content. That's why it's called "The Cutting Room floor"
Yes, I actually played these skins in the demo. The mecha ridley one was pretty neat. Ridley was white and had green claws. The Meta Ridley one was a cool black skin with yellow wings. The Meta Ridley costumes are great but these were very good alts tbh.
@@dustymcwari4468 Because it was! It looked a bit like Ridley in the cutscene of his arrival in Metroid Zero Mission. You can still see it on SmashWiki I believe.
Fire Mario was mainly removed for Wedding Mario but honestly I’d argue it still deserved to be here since it looked different enough and is Mario’s most iconic alternate look, in fact I’m surprised Fire Mario wasn’t a costume in Odyssey
That’s kinda a lame reason to remove it. I get the wedding one is the same white color,but there’s characters like sonic and Pac-Man who have the same colors of blue or yellow
Same, that or a custom palette swap maker, like how you can do that in Rivals of Aether. Even if Smash would only allow it for playing offline and/or with friends, I think it would be super cool to have your own custom color palette for your main
I think Mario should have turned into Fire Mario for his Final Smash. That would have not only made up for the costume being cut, but it would also he more accurate to the Mario games (since Mario needs a Fire Flower to use fire powers)
Let's be honest here, we truly miss our fallen heroes, Fire Mario, black Yoshi, Captain Wario, and Astronaut Olimar, and they did not deserve to be brutally murdered out of Smash Ultimate. If there was a chance that DLC costumes were to be added in the future, I'll take that chance (that is if my wallet doesn't suffer from it)
Black yoshi is not coming back because of Supermario Logan turned black yoshi into a African American stereotype. If they added black yoshi they will be referencing Supermario Logan. Smash is for good boys and girls.
@KBAMF2006 true but most people only know black yoshi from Supermario Logan. Parents was messaging nintendo because they thought Supermario Logan work there because he was using their products. That's why they sent him a letter to stop using their products for youtube.The parents message nintendo saying they was being racist again. It's not the first time nintendo had to remove racist elements. They added a feather to Mr Gamer watch and Jinx alot of people hated because her skin was originally black they had to change her skin color to purple so it won't be racist. Black yoshi is not coming to smash ultimate as skin. If it was a youtube fighting game black yoshi would definitely be in it.
Believe it or not in melee, Ice Climbers had a purple costume that never made it outside of said game as it got replaced by an alt that is actually red. You played as Nana as with this alt with a white Popo following her. The battle portrait and stock icons were red instead of purple and it was used for the red team. Someone on the dev team must have been colorblind. 💀
He pulled the Black Yoshi clip from “SML Movie: Black Yoshi’s Call Of Duty Special Edition!” when and where Black Yoshi is hanging on the plane window and saying “MARIO, PLEASEEE!!!!!!!” 😂😂😂😂😂
The reason why Marios green costume was kept in was because it... Well it's green and sakurai wanted there to be an easy way for teams to tell each other apart, so if you picked the green team, Mario's green costume was easy to see so you didn't accidentally attack your team mate
Honestly having more alts for every character would be a much needed improvement. I'd love to see a Dry Bowser, Meowser even a Fury Bowser Alt, and better Sonic alts referencing more characters than just blue and darker blue.
If they had to cut alts so Wario had 8, they should've cut the redundant red, blue, green, because his WarioWare alts already have those 3 colors, its as if the made Wario's alts before deciding character colors weren't bound to teams anymore, and didn't bother to change that in Ultimate, and doesn't help that the cut alts were from his Wario Land side, while those red, blue, green overall alts are just references to not Wario, but Mario (red-Donkey Kong/early Mario, green-Mario's Green Smash alt, blue-Mario Bros.), as if Wario's only 2d platformer was SML2, rather than properly representing WarioWare and Wario Land sides with 4 alts for each, its just 4 for WarioWare, 1 for Wario Land, and 3 for Mario...
Dry Bones for smash. A few days ago me and a few of my relatives were brainstorming ideas for new fighters and I kept saying Dry Bones. Great work on the video Odyssey.
I wish that they would have allowed different renders to represent different games, like young link could represent OOT in 4 costumes and MM in the others. Or for a more major one, make some of Gannon's from twilight princess and the others from OOT. I think it would have been cool
Fair, I like how they did it with some characters like ike, mario, warrior having different alts based on certain their games, another instance of the Zelda series being done dirty in smash
I still dislike when people say "render" when referring to an alternative mesh. Every costume has a different render. Each costume is rendered in 2D. But I do agree that they should have more different meshes.
@@Liggliluff my bad, I just knew that everyone would know what I mean if I said render, but if I said they should have allowed different skins, then people would stop reading and think I was an idiot.
Also next smash game : waluigi is an assist trophy for the fourth time. Odyssey central : THIS MAKES ME EVEN MORE MAD THAN THE CRAFTED YOSHI REPLACING BLACK YOSHI! YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO ADD HIM AS A FIGHTER BUT YOU DIDN’T!
I really miss green headband Puff. It works for her so well. I thought it would be redundant to have 2 green accessories but this video made me realise that she has 2 red accessories in Ultimate so yeah, get rid of the flower (also R.I.P Lucario, less references than a character who's had like 5 game appearances, 3 of which being Smash).
I love those blue goggles. Ive used them more in Smash than any individual character considering Pichu was my main in Melee and Ultimate and Pikachu was my main in Brawl and Sm4sh
11:27 I'll give you Ice Climbers, but Mii Swordfighter is a character that I enjoy using 🗡️ 19:30-19:35 If they decide to make changes to Sonic's costumes, I'd replace the last two with Amy and Espio(Super Smash Flash 2 reference) and update the black and grey ones to look more like Shadow and Silver
Here’s an idea. What if the player was allowed to change certain colors on a character to make their own costumes in game. Such as making Mario, Luigi, and Wario’s overalls and hat different colors, for example. Then Nintendos premade costumes could be the ones the player couldn’t make themselves, like model swaps and also things like the Fierce Diety Link alt. Just an idea.
This is a good idea... no, this is a GREAT idea... until you remember the internet is... a weird place. I can already imagine how people would use the same color as zss skintone for her body suit. 😢
@@dogboyton3166 The amount of screenshots I've seen online of Yoshi doing...stuff...with the purple schoolgirl Inkling, exploiting the in-game animations and stuff like the Spicy Curry item makes me want to bleach my eyes lol. Yes, I've seen multiple versions of that specific scenario alone for some reason.
Games like CVS2, Soul Calibur 3 and Ultra Street Fighter 2 do this, so it would be nice for Smash to do so. But I imagine character rights might get in the way of that.
It’s weird that they removed Jigglypuff green headband. It’s iconic to melee fans, especially since it’s the main costume of Hungrybox, a melee champion who has been titled as one of that “five gods of smash”.
Honestly giving everyone ten alts to choose from would be a great way to bring back some alts lost to time. I felt like the Yin and Yang concept for an alt had yet to be explored, even with Ice Climbers or Pyra/Mythra, which is an alt I really want to see on a two-as-one character. And a lot of the Pokemon titles have sort of contrasting color schemes that, even though the reference wouldn't connect, would be a great opportunity to base alts for Ice Climbers and Pyra/Mythra off of, despite the two or three franchises being completely separate, wouldn't you say?
Sonic's green alt actually made him more green in Brawl rather than the purple look Ultimate gave for that one. Wish that returned since any alt that deviates more from blue (like black and silver) look better as alts.
It recently came to my attention but I have to wonder why the hell does Snake not have Metal Gear's traditional Tuxedo as an alt costume in Smash Bros? It's the most recurring bonus outfit in the franchise and is typically unlocked as a reward for beating the game in a certain way. If it isn't in a game then it usually has an equivalent like the sunglasses in MGS2 (although it actually is in the Substance version of MGS2 for use in VR missions) or more commonly the suit in MGS4 and MGR. It just makes so much sense as an alt costume for Snake, hell he even actually had it as an alt costume in that DreamMix TV game that he was in before Smash Bros.
I really wish Peach’s Daisy alt was replaced by her retro appearance (Red hair with lighter dress) or even a shadow queen alt. Her gold dress isn’t really it :/
12:54 The new one was not an alteration of Roy scheme color it became a reference to Marth's original color palette of his artworks in the first Fire Emblem game, AKA classic Marth with no pants.
Something to consider and keep in mind is that before 4 whenever you played in teams your costume would default to the one that closely matched the team colors in order to keep better track of them in a fight. For example, a green team Mario would use the green costume while a red team Mario would use the default red one. Also in 64 team battle was the only way to use some fighters costumes, namely blue Captain Falcon and Samus and Green DK, Kirby, Captain Falcon and Mario. P.S. I know you hate Roaslina but there was no need to childishly call her cringe when getting to her.
20:37 Probably already mentioned before but- Lucario used to have a white alt in Brawl that was cut or rather became a much darker gray. A shame cause that was my personal favorite.
The decision to replace Fire Mario with Wedding Mario always really bothered me from the moment it was revealed, and really just seemed like a short-sighted product of the Odyssey hype at the time. Now years later that decision to replace Fire Mario doesn't really hold up so well, because Wedding Mario isn't really iconic at all, who even really cares about him like that? Meanwhile Fire Mario is literally THE MOST iconic alternate look for Mario, AND fits Mario's fireball attack he has in Smash the best, so the fact that it's not in Smash Bros. ULTIMATE but was in most of the previous Smash games, and is instead replaced with a random costume that no longer has any relevance and was just based on a new hyped game at the time, just seems like a kinda lame choice in retrospect.
19:35 considering Sega's Twitter has acknowledged Sonic.exe's existence in the past, and considering how Sanic is essentially an offical Sonic character now, with his shirt in forces, his cameo in Sonic Movie 1, (and apparently there was also a Chili Dog flavored G-feul for him). I wouldn't be suprised if a toned down version of Sonic.exe actually became an offical Sonic character, hell, he may even become a villian for an IDW comic arc. I mean, in the Tangle and Whisper mini-series there was a panel where the villian was disguised as Sonic and was staring twoards the reader. (It also helps that there has been a Pingas reference in the Sonic Boom show, and a possible Ugandan Knuckles and Fandub Eggman reference in Sonic Movie 2 and Murder of Sonic The Hedgehog respectively.)
23:23 THIS! This single thing got me into modding the hell out of Smash! I literally only started to learn how to Mod my Switch purely because of this one, tiny detail because damnit, youre not catching me playing my Main Alt like that!
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I think characters the have female variations or age variations (like ike and kinda like Roy who was younger in melee) should have a thing like pythra where can press x to change to that alt, and to keep the 8 regular alts for each person. It’d lead to 16 different Alts for each character that has this ability, and likely would be pretty time consuming, but I think it’d be pretty cool Edit: also, I think they should bring back zero suit Samus’ brawl design, idk what it is about it but I just think it looks better than the one she has now
One change I'd make for Pokemon Trainer is swapping the pokemon colours for alts 3, 4 & 5, giving the green alt pokemon to alt 4 (the one with Leaf in Brendan's Emerald colours) to reference Pokemon Emerald, the pink alt pokemon to alt 5 (the one with Red in Lucas's colours) to reference Pokemon Pearl and give the yellow alt pokemon to alt 3 (the one with Red in Ethan's colours) referencing Pokemon Gold
I always thought it would be cool for Samus if every alt was actually a different suit. Power, Varia, Gravity, Phason, Dark, Light, PED, Fusion etc. It just feels weird that the base design for her is from the most reviled Metroid game, Other M.
6:06-6:34 I like Black Yoshi, but to be fair, it probably made the most sense to cut him since he's one of the least iconic colors of the bunch so I don't mind this change
Honestly, the thing that *really* hurts alts in Ultimate is the fact that in Sm4sh, Little Mac was the only character to have 16 alts (yeah, not even Wario was allowed that despite having 12 in Brawl) split between his normal and wireframe designs, and then Ultimate couldn’t even let hi, have *that.* I think a reasonable thing to do would’ve been to give certain characters (not even all of them) have 16 alts.
First character in and I already am concerned about Team matchups where originally the different colored characters were forced to change color to the team color back then. Removing said color would break a tradition. I actually use the green Mario costume whenever I play as I do like the color scheme; looking back at Super Smash Bros. 64, Mario's green color reminds me of the lime-orange Tic Tacs which honestly makes me like it more. 😂 This video still has an interesting point of view and it was a fun time watching it. :)
Tbh I wish characters still required a red, blue, and green alt even if they aren't forced to use those colors for their respective teams anymore, I like using green alts, and there's characters that just don't have that color anywhere
I REALLY miss some of these coustumes! I really wished they would make forms of coustume DLC's or something, kinda like what Nickelodeon all-star brawl did! Can't wait for the 2nd game by the way!
I somewhat like the green Mario alt, but mostly I think replacing it with the Fire Mario alt would've just made the selection worse by virtue of having too much of one color scheme (that being red & white; seriously we'd then have the Golf, Fire, AND Wedding alts all using that color scheme). If I were to replace one for it, I'd replace the Golf alt because as nice of a reference as it is, I think Fire Mario is a much more iconic reference to keep than an old NES game's box art (then again I'm biased against that game since it's where the Luigi-Daisy shipping started). For Link, I don't really mind losing the old tunics because most of them are still available on Young and/or Toon Link anyways. Yoshi... look at how they massacred my boy. All they did was change one alt, but it's for such a forced promotion, AND it hurts the color variety of my boy's palettes by giving him a second green alt. WHY. AT LEAST MAKE THE CRAFTED ALT A DIFFERENT COLOR. Like black, white, orange... ANYTHING but one that's already in the game! Sheik in Brawl was apparently concept art either for TP or for Brawl itself, so the devs wanted to have an idea of Sheik in the TP style at least. More importantly, though, Sheik's outfit in Ult isn't JUST concept, it's actually strongly based on an actual set of clothes you can get in Breath of the Wild itself, the Sheikah Set (which can also be dyed in that game to be any color; thus matching most of Sheik's "referenceless" palettes anyways). I'd honestly have liked seeing them pull a Ike on Ganondorf and give him both of his looks (OoT and TP), even if they'd have to have some creative liberties on the moves where he uses weapons. Mewtwo's old green alt is ironically close to his shiny nowadays, making that potentially the reason it got cut in favor of the yellow alt referencing an old shiny. Ideally imo we'd have both, but this is The Pokemon Company, no fun is allowed. -_- I prefer young Ike. Enough said. :) (That said, my god he needs a better voice) The purple wings in Pit's pink alt in Ult is a carryover of that old Brawl alt I think, though personally I'd rather they kept the pink outfit the same and replaced the "Dark" Pit alt with the old purple alt since Dark Pit himself is in the game anyways (and he himself deserves a better alt to replace his "Light" Pit alt too). Speaking of Dark Pit, I kinda like the old yellow alt's wings more but keeping his hair black in Ult was the perfect call imo. Seconded on ZSS. I understand why there's two blue ZS alts, since one is darker, but that's lame and I'd rather take that fancy purple one back instead, since sis would love it. Plus she already has a darker blue alt, that being her indigo shorts. Wario I was thinking you could replace the blue overalls alt with the "sailor" Wario and the green overalls alt with the brown (Foreman Spike) one, to give it some extra color variety and to distinguish himself more from Mario (who has the same colors of blue and green even if reversed) in the process. Brendan's Emerald color wasn't exactly "given" to Leaf, as it more commonly ressemble May's color in the same game. Not like it matters much since they're essentially the same character, but it's always worth keeping in mind. I always assumed the "yellow" trainer alt in Brawl was meant to be a reference to the monochrome screen of the Game Boy, and thus the trainer's sprite. Why it's beige and not yellow, idk, maybe it's to not clash with their skin tone? Anyways this was rectified with a Selene alt for Leaf afterwards, so all's well. (TPC's palette restrictions did my boy Lucario dirtier than the entire internet; and that's a competition I didn't think it'd win) (I also like Brawl Wolf more) Robin I understand why they changed the blue palette's hair; it's more accurate to the default Kris, the player character from New Mystery of the Emblem. In fact I'd say the same for green, as it now more accurately ressembles the sprite of Mark, the (optional) tactician player character from FE7. But the red palette is definitely a huge WTF change imo. Sure the blonde hair looks nice, but you had a perfect reference on an alt that already didn't look bad. It's nowhere near Crafted Yoshi bad, but it's still a change I couldn't help but wonder why they even thought of it. Shulk with different hair colors looks better imo, I think it's just Shulk himself not looking as good in Ult as he does in Sm4sh that might be influencing your decision there. '^^ (That said the Riki alt definitely looks the worst of the bunch with the different hair color; it just looks messy)
Don’t hate me. But I’ll always be a Crafted World Yoshi Costume Defender. 😅 (Even though I only play with all of the characters in their default costumes. Excluding: RD Ike, Famicom ROB, AC Cloud, Female Corrin/Byleth and KH3 Sora)
17:38 This might actually be a fairly obscure reference to the protagonist of G Gundam, Domon Kasshu, the color palette matches and this wouldn't be the first time smash references Gundam, the green Samus alt is a reference to the Zaku from Gundam 79
Between crafted yoshi replacing black yoshi and him getting a few notes taken out of his victory theme for no reason, yoshi truly took the most Ls in ultimate. Also the fact that the only Pokémon with their shinies as an alt are incineroar and technically charizard (with its gen 2 shiny) is a crime. That’s literally the easiest choice.
Had to use a lot more footage from another youtuber Aaronitmar this video than I was hoping to… he makes good videos so check him out too 🔥
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@@andrewmedfordwait how?
@@sahaprocks7751yeah gow did you get ceave gaming to watch odyssey central do you know him or something?
@@sahaprocks7751 I joined his patreon and asked him if he had heard of the channel before. He said that he hadn't, but that he would check it out. He later replied that he saw it and liked it.
I want to see a costume where Bowser wears pink glasses to reference Cool Bowser.
🤝
we need it for smash 6
This and Dry Bones are a must for Smash 6
You know what we don't need? Sonic. Exe
WE NEED THIS
Technically, Ridley is actually the only newcomer in Ultimate to have alts that were cut. In the demo that was used for the first ultimate tournament, Ridley had color alts that were based on Meta Ridley and Mecha Ridley. Of course, when Ultimate released, and as seen in the initial trailer, they were replaced by Meta Ridley as alternate costumes. Which I think we can agree is a FAR better choice, but it's interesting to note.
I mean, if it’s a demo or in its development stage then does it actually count as being “cut?”
@@dslai2938Yes, that is still technically cut content, just content cut before the release of the game. Same as with any cut pre-release content. That's why it's called "The Cutting Room floor"
Yes, I actually played these skins in the demo. The mecha ridley one was pretty neat. Ridley was white and had green claws. The Meta Ridley one was a cool black skin with yellow wings. The Meta Ridley costumes are great but these were very good alts tbh.
@@kyurei4478 black Ridley with orange wings and no metal parts or purple spots sounds pretty cool tbh
@@dustymcwari4468 Because it was! It looked a bit like Ridley in the cutscene of his arrival in Metroid Zero Mission. You can still see it on SmashWiki I believe.
Fire Mario was mainly removed for Wedding Mario but honestly I’d argue it still deserved to be here since it looked different enough and is Mario’s most iconic alternate look, in fact I’m surprised Fire Mario wasn’t a costume in Odyssey
That’s kinda a lame reason to remove it. I get the wedding one is the same white color,but there’s characters like sonic and Pac-Man who have the same colors of blue or yellow
Didn’t notice fire Mario wasn’t in odyssey. Also hi IcyDiamond.
@@smiff1832 Sup, did you retry the World of Memes nuzlocke?
@@IcyDiamond not yet lol
@@smiff1832 Fair lol, you hyped for Deltarune Chapters 3-5?
Always wished there was a costume dlc
Same, that or a custom palette swap maker, like how you can do that in Rivals of Aether.
Even if Smash would only allow it for playing offline and/or with friends, I think it would be super cool to have your own custom color palette for your main
Yeah even just 2 extras would be nice
Same
It could randomly get DLC like MK8D
@@spacesoccercowboy6091somebody else mentions rivals!?!?!?!
I miss Fire Mario, Black Yoshi, White and Black Wario, and my parents.
You gotta go through the Walmart Dungeon and defeat the milkman boss to get them back. Watch out for the Redead Cashiers
I agree. Your parents were the best costumes in Smash
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Your dad went to get the milk and your mom left you at birth
(OK to be honest my mom actually divorced at least your joking 😢)
@@Kirby_And_Pals I̺ f̺e̺e̺l̺ b̺a̺d̺ f̺o̺r̺ y̺o̺u̺
I’m forever disappointed that Cloud, or Sephiroth for that matter, didn’t get their KH1 outfits as an alt costume like they do in the Dissidia games
I think Mario should have turned into Fire Mario for his Final Smash. That would have not only made up for the costume being cut, but it would also he more accurate to the Mario games (since Mario needs a Fire Flower to use fire powers)
He should have returned as alt
If it were to go that route, a Starman would make more sense
@@thatonespooder1513 they're talking about Fire Flowers from the..... Super Mario franchise, when the hell did they imply it was meant to be PK Fire?
@@thatonespooder1513 Literally no one brought up that pk fire thing. What are you even on about?
@@thatonespooder1513 still, what does that have to do with PK fire
Let's be honest here, we truly miss our fallen heroes, Fire Mario, black Yoshi, Captain Wario, and Astronaut Olimar, and they did not deserve to be brutally murdered out of Smash Ultimate. If there was a chance that DLC costumes were to be added in the future, I'll take that chance (that is if my wallet doesn't suffer from it)
Black yoshi is not coming back because of Supermario Logan turned black yoshi into a African American stereotype. If they added black yoshi they will be referencing Supermario Logan. Smash is for good boys and girls.
SML doesn't even own Black Yoshi. Nintendo colored him black first.
@KBAMF2006 true but most people only know black yoshi from Supermario Logan. Parents was messaging nintendo because they thought Supermario Logan work there because he was using their products. That's why they sent him a letter to stop using their products for youtube.The parents message nintendo saying they was being racist again. It's not the first time nintendo had to remove racist elements. They added a feather to Mr Gamer watch and Jinx alot of people hated because her skin was originally black they had to change her skin color to purple so it won't be racist. Black yoshi is not coming to smash ultimate as skin. If it was a youtube fighting game black yoshi would definitely be in it.
Believe it or not in melee, Ice Climbers had a purple costume that never made it outside of said game as it got replaced by an alt that is actually red. You played as Nana as with this alt with a white Popo following her. The battle portrait and stock icons were red instead of purple and it was used for the red team. Someone on the dev team must have been colorblind. 💀
While watching this video, I realized Olimar hits the griddy in his idle animation.
He pulled the Black Yoshi clip from “SML Movie: Black Yoshi’s Call Of Duty Special Edition!” when and where Black Yoshi is hanging on the plane window and saying “MARIO, PLEASEEE!!!!!!!” 😂😂😂😂😂
You know it's a good day when Odyssey Central uploads AND you get to see his video ~30 minutes after it does.
The reason why Marios green costume was kept in was because it... Well it's green and sakurai wanted there to be an easy way for teams to tell each other apart, so if you picked the green team, Mario's green costume was easy to see so you didn't accidentally attack your team mate
Maybe the brown overalls can be changed to a different color. Maybe black to reference Bombs Away.
@@AwesomeGamer-om4hm or just give him dark blue overalls to reference luigi.
Honestly having more alts for every character would be a much needed improvement. I'd love to see a Dry Bowser, Meowser even a Fury Bowser Alt, and better Sonic alts referencing more characters than just blue and darker blue.
I miss wario's skins in brawl
Something about the white and black overalls skin hits so different
I also really miss his brown and beige skin
That's what he looks like in some of the gameboy games too, like Wario Land 3 even though that was on the Gameboy Color. So it was a cool reference.
If they had to cut alts so Wario had 8, they should've cut the redundant red, blue, green, because his WarioWare alts already have those 3 colors, its as if the made Wario's alts before deciding character colors weren't bound to teams anymore, and didn't bother to change that in Ultimate, and doesn't help that the cut alts were from his Wario Land side, while those red, blue, green overall alts are just references to not Wario, but Mario (red-Donkey Kong/early Mario, green-Mario's Green Smash alt, blue-Mario Bros.), as if Wario's only 2d platformer was SML2, rather than properly representing WarioWare and Wario Land sides with 4 alts for each, its just 4 for WarioWare, 1 for Wario Land, and 3 for Mario...
16:44 the dilemma in question:
Green and brown overalls palette:
Exists*
odyssey central: KILL IT!!!!!
Sakurai : Nope. We are killing you odyssey central.
Still sad that there’s no Dry Bowser just so Dry Bones could be represented in some way
21:56 mega man, wii fit and cringe… I think bro has some beef with Rosalina
I miss the Fire Mario alt and the Blue Mario alt and the Wario Mario alt
don’t we all, it was so cool and iconic
Same but at least the wario alt was somewhat valid to do so
OT but cool Ninja Monkey BTD5 profile pic
Dry Bones for smash. A few days ago me and a few of my relatives were brainstorming ideas for new fighters and I kept saying Dry Bones. Great work on the video Odyssey.
I wish that they would have allowed different renders to represent different games, like young link could represent OOT in 4 costumes and MM in the others. Or for a more major one, make some of Gannon's from twilight princess and the others from OOT. I think it would have been cool
Fair, I like how they did it with some characters like ike, mario, warrior having different alts based on certain their games, another instance of the Zelda series being done dirty in smash
I still dislike when people say "render" when referring to an alternative mesh. Every costume has a different render. Each costume is rendered in 2D.
But I do agree that they should have more different meshes.
@@Liggliluff my bad, I just knew that everyone would know what I mean if I said render, but if I said they should have allowed different skins, then people would stop reading and think I was an idiot.
@@speedy2337model. The word you want is model.
Next Smash game: every costume is here!
Also next smash game : waluigi is an assist trophy for the fourth time.
Odyssey central : THIS MAKES ME EVEN MORE MAD THAN THE CRAFTED YOSHI REPLACING BLACK YOSHI! YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO ADD HIM AS A FIGHTER BUT YOU DIDN’T!
They cut *Black Yoshi* because he kept asking all the fighters to buy him the new *Call of Duty*
bro what? 😂
@@budgethewudgeSML reference.
Don’t you mean *duggie*
God I hate that name so much
@@budgethewudge*MARIO, PLEASE BUY ME THE NEW CALL OF DUTY PHO* 🗣
Nintendo hating SML might actually be the reason Black Yoshi was cut
I really miss green headband Puff. It works for her so well. I thought it would be redundant to have 2 green accessories but this video made me realise that she has 2 red accessories in Ultimate so yeah, get rid of the flower (also R.I.P Lucario, less references than a character who's had like 5 game appearances, 3 of which being Smash).
I honestly didn't realize there was no Fire Mario costume in Ultimate till you pointed it out. Now I'm pissed.
I love those blue goggles. Ive used them more in Smash than any individual character considering Pichu was my main in Melee and Ultimate and Pikachu was my main in Brawl and Sm4sh
11:27 I'll give you Ice Climbers, but Mii Swordfighter is a character that I enjoy using 🗡️
19:30-19:35 If they decide to make changes to Sonic's costumes, I'd replace the last two with Amy and Espio(Super Smash Flash 2 reference) and update the black and grey ones to look more like Shadow and Silver
Mii Swordfighter is my most played Mii fighter (not saying much, though, since I don’t play the others too much)
Here’s an idea. What if the player was allowed to change certain colors on a character to make their own costumes in game. Such as making Mario, Luigi, and Wario’s overalls and hat different colors, for example. Then Nintendos premade costumes could be the ones the player couldn’t make themselves, like model swaps and also things like the Fierce Diety Link alt. Just an idea.
This is a good idea... no, this is a GREAT idea... until you remember the internet is... a weird place. I can already imagine how people would use the same color as zss skintone for her body suit. 😢
@@poisonpoint4255 Oof, right, I forgot how degenerate some gaming communities are
@@dogboyton3166 The amount of screenshots I've seen online of Yoshi doing...stuff...with the purple schoolgirl Inkling, exploiting the in-game animations and stuff like the Spicy Curry item makes me want to bleach my eyes lol. Yes, I've seen multiple versions of that specific scenario alone for some reason.
Games like CVS2, Soul Calibur 3 and Ultra Street Fighter 2 do this, so it would be nice for Smash to do so. But I imagine character rights might get in the way of that.
It’s weird that they removed Jigglypuff green headband. It’s iconic to melee fans, especially since it’s the main costume of Hungrybox, a melee champion who has been titled as one of that “five gods of smash”.
Completely unrelated to the vid but that first clip was a PHHAT Mario Spike that instantly got me watching for the rest of the video
22:43
Odyssey central: major circuit
Also odyssey central: *shows world circuit*
I don't get why they have to all have 8 costumed in Ultimate. They needlessly cut so many good alts.
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Honestly giving everyone ten alts to choose from would be a great way to bring back some alts lost to time.
I felt like the Yin and Yang concept for an alt had yet to be explored, even with Ice Climbers or Pyra/Mythra, which is an alt I really want to see on a two-as-one character. And a lot of the Pokemon titles have sort of contrasting color schemes that, even though the reference wouldn't connect, would be a great opportunity to base alts for Ice Climbers and Pyra/Mythra off of, despite the two or three franchises being completely separate, wouldn't you say?
ohhh a yin and yang costume would be really cool for those characters. I'm on board with that idea!
5:43 Black Yoshi jumpscare
5:33 Now this is something that we can agree on!
Sonic's green alt actually made him more green in Brawl rather than the purple look Ultimate gave for that one. Wish that returned since any alt that deviates more from blue (like black and silver) look better as alts.
Love your stuff and I’m excited for your 150k speacial!
replacing black yoshi with something awful is one of the biggest embarrassments Nintendo has ever made.
fantastic video, love watching discussions about nerdy stuff like this 🔥
It recently came to my attention but I have to wonder why the hell does Snake not have Metal Gear's traditional Tuxedo as an alt costume in Smash Bros? It's the most recurring bonus outfit in the franchise and is typically unlocked as a reward for beating the game in a certain way. If it isn't in a game then it usually has an equivalent like the sunglasses in MGS2 (although it actually is in the Substance version of MGS2 for use in VR missions) or more commonly the suit in MGS4 and MGR.
It just makes so much sense as an alt costume for Snake, hell he even actually had it as an alt costume in that DreamMix TV game that he was in before Smash Bros.
11:07 for some reason the auto generated captions didnt show the "cool" until cool bowser showed up lol
I really wish Peach’s Daisy alt was replaced by her retro appearance (Red hair with lighter dress) or even a shadow queen alt. Her gold dress isn’t really it :/
5:39 I swear, the Black Yoshi reveal using SML was the funniest shit I've seen involving SML in a while.
I hate Crafted Yoshi as much as everyone, but i really don't understand what makes Black Yoshi so good.
The black with the silvery white shoes look so cool
12:54 The new one was not an alteration of Roy scheme color it became a reference to Marth's original color palette of his artworks in the first Fire Emblem game, AKA classic Marth with no pants.
Something to consider and keep in mind is that before 4 whenever you played in teams your costume would default to the one that closely matched the team colors in order to keep better track of them in a fight. For example, a green team Mario would use the green costume while a red team Mario would use the default red one. Also in 64 team battle was the only way to use some fighters costumes, namely blue Captain Falcon and Samus and Green DK, Kirby, Captain Falcon and Mario.
P.S. I know you hate Roaslina but there was no need to childishly call her cringe when getting to her.
As a Yoshi and Lucina main, your disrespect does not go unnoticed, and it will not go unpunished.
Wait yoshi mains exist ?
@@skategoats5266 we do and yes we all spam nair and back air
best part of an odyssey video is trying to predict the cool bowser before it happens
20:37 Probably already mentioned before but- Lucario used to have a white alt in Brawl that was cut or rather became a much darker gray. A shame cause that was my personal favorite.
8:02
🤓”Erm, actually, her name is Leaf. Not Gr…”
Gets destroyed by missiles.
The decision to replace Fire Mario with Wedding Mario always really bothered me from the moment it was revealed, and really just seemed like a short-sighted product of the Odyssey hype at the time. Now years later that decision to replace Fire Mario doesn't really hold up so well, because Wedding Mario isn't really iconic at all, who even really cares about him like that? Meanwhile Fire Mario is literally THE MOST iconic alternate look for Mario, AND fits Mario's fireball attack he has in Smash the best, so the fact that it's not in Smash Bros. ULTIMATE but was in most of the previous Smash games, and is instead replaced with a random costume that no longer has any relevance and was just based on a new hyped game at the time, just seems like a kinda lame choice in retrospect.
19:35 considering Sega's Twitter has acknowledged Sonic.exe's existence in the past, and considering how Sanic is essentially an offical Sonic character now, with his shirt in forces, his cameo in Sonic Movie 1, (and apparently there was also a Chili Dog flavored G-feul for him). I wouldn't be suprised if a toned down version of Sonic.exe actually became an offical Sonic character, hell, he may even become a villian for an IDW comic arc. I mean, in the Tangle and Whisper mini-series there was a panel where the villian was disguised as Sonic and was staring twoards the reader. (It also helps that there has been a Pingas reference in the Sonic Boom show, and a possible Ugandan Knuckles and Fandub Eggman reference in Sonic Movie 2 and Murder of Sonic The Hedgehog respectively.)
So, hear me out. . . I think you just don’t like the color green
wake up bro odyssey central just uploaded
honestly, cool bowser is more of a jumpscare than the fnaf jumpscares you used to add
5:40 im crying bro, that sml clip is killing me
23:23 THIS! This single thing got me into modding the hell out of Smash! I literally only started to learn how to Mod my Switch purely because of this one, tiny detail because damnit, youre not catching me playing my Main Alt like that!
You know who else makes good videos? Ceave Gaming. I just wanted to tell you that I got him to watch your videos, and he said that he really liked your calm attitude towards the games you love
Especially in melee, bandana jigglypuff is ICONIC
Black Yoshi and Fire Mario removal is an unforgivable sin
9:04 I never realized they didn’t even get the colors right when this costume was supposed to be nes luigi
Love your content. Keep it up.
i’ll argue about the shulk alts they make the costume changes way more unique with the different hair colors
I think characters the have female variations or age variations (like ike and kinda like Roy who was younger in melee) should have a thing like pythra where can press x to change to that alt, and to keep the 8 regular alts for each person. It’d lead to 16 different Alts for each character that has this ability, and likely would be pretty time consuming, but I think it’d be pretty cool
Edit: also, I think they should bring back zero suit Samus’ brawl design, idk what it is about it but I just think it looks better than the one she has now
Yeah idk why some characters just look worse in this game compared to previous iterations
14:42 my favorite Pit alt. I don’t care that people think its ugly. Its the best alt. My favorite alt in the series
maybe one day the queen will return 9:44 👑
As someone who mained Black Yoshi in MK8DX for quite a while, I will never forgive the Smash devs for robbing me of the superior alt!
It’s an absolute crime that they got rid of Hbox jigglypuff, Fire Mario, and black Yoshi
One change I'd make for Pokemon Trainer is swapping the pokemon colours for alts 3, 4 & 5, giving the green alt pokemon to alt 4 (the one with Leaf in Brendan's Emerald colours) to reference Pokemon Emerald, the pink alt pokemon to alt 5 (the one with Red in Lucas's colours) to reference Pokemon Pearl and give the yellow alt pokemon to alt 3 (the one with Red in Ethan's colours) referencing Pokemon Gold
I was surprised you didn’t swap out an old alt for Pit’s blonde alt, but like thinking it’s Pit going Super Saiyan so your way is fine by me.
(10:40) While I understand they don't want a blue crown, since it doesn't really look like metal. They should at least have gone with silver.
I think we need to have a talk with your brother. He is becoming to powerful with his smash bros choices.
I can already hear the Fire Mario and Black Yoshi rant
5:42 MARIO PLLLEEEEEEEAAAAAASE
17:10 I HAVE to point out that Snakes bandanna used to change color with the alts, but now, for some reason, it just stays grey all the time
The Dry Bones joke is- actually has been getting old.
I always thought it would be cool for Samus if every alt was actually a different suit. Power, Varia, Gravity, Phason, Dark, Light, PED, Fusion etc. It just feels weird that the base design for her is from the most reviled Metroid game, Other M.
I think they should of done some of the character's old designs as alts, like Ganondorf, Zelda, and Wolf. Would've been so clever
6:06-6:34 I like Black Yoshi, but to be fair, it probably made the most sense to cut him since he's one of the least iconic colors of the bunch so I don't mind this change
Its the one people liked most back in Smash 4
21:55 No way he dissed the baddest Nintendo character like that
I bet that ganondorf is going to change to Ganon from tears of the kingdom in the next smash game
Honestly, the thing that *really* hurts alts in Ultimate is the fact that in Sm4sh, Little Mac was the only character to have 16 alts (yeah, not even Wario was allowed that despite having 12 in Brawl) split between his normal and wireframe designs, and then Ultimate couldn’t even let hi, have *that.* I think a reasonable thing to do would’ve been to give certain characters (not even all of them) have 16 alts.
Odyssey’s brother: plays mii swordfighter and ice climbers
Odyssey: plays young link and Steve
Me: plays ganondorf and mewtwo
Louie is finally canon in the OdysseyCentral lore!!!
First character in and I already am concerned about Team matchups where originally the different colored characters were forced to change color to the team color back then. Removing said color would break a tradition. I actually use the green Mario costume whenever I play as I do like the color scheme; looking back at Super Smash Bros. 64, Mario's green color reminds me of the lime-orange Tic Tacs which honestly makes me like it more. 😂
This video still has an interesting point of view and it was a fun time watching it. :)
Tbh I wish characters still required a red, blue, and green alt even if they aren't forced to use those colors for their respective teams anymore, I like using green alts, and there's characters that just don't have that color anywhere
I'm watchinh this at midnight. But this is better than sleeping
You should have talked about the Cut Black Ridley costume from Ultimate’s demo.
YES ANOTHER ODYSSEY CENTRAL VIDEO!!!!!
I REALLY miss some of these coustumes! I really wished they would make forms of coustume DLC's or something, kinda like what Nickelodeon all-star brawl did! Can't wait for the 2nd game by the way!
Glad I got here decently early, and I love these videos
I somewhat like the green Mario alt, but mostly I think replacing it with the Fire Mario alt would've just made the selection worse by virtue of having too much of one color scheme (that being red & white; seriously we'd then have the Golf, Fire, AND Wedding alts all using that color scheme). If I were to replace one for it, I'd replace the Golf alt because as nice of a reference as it is, I think Fire Mario is a much more iconic reference to keep than an old NES game's box art (then again I'm biased against that game since it's where the Luigi-Daisy shipping started).
For Link, I don't really mind losing the old tunics because most of them are still available on Young and/or Toon Link anyways.
Yoshi... look at how they massacred my boy. All they did was change one alt, but it's for such a forced promotion, AND it hurts the color variety of my boy's palettes by giving him a second green alt. WHY.
AT LEAST MAKE THE CRAFTED ALT A DIFFERENT COLOR. Like black, white, orange... ANYTHING but one that's already in the game!
Sheik in Brawl was apparently concept art either for TP or for Brawl itself, so the devs wanted to have an idea of Sheik in the TP style at least. More importantly, though, Sheik's outfit in Ult isn't JUST concept, it's actually strongly based on an actual set of clothes you can get in Breath of the Wild itself, the Sheikah Set (which can also be dyed in that game to be any color; thus matching most of Sheik's "referenceless" palettes anyways).
I'd honestly have liked seeing them pull a Ike on Ganondorf and give him both of his looks (OoT and TP), even if they'd have to have some creative liberties on the moves where he uses weapons.
Mewtwo's old green alt is ironically close to his shiny nowadays, making that potentially the reason it got cut in favor of the yellow alt referencing an old shiny. Ideally imo we'd have both, but this is The Pokemon Company, no fun is allowed. -_-
I prefer young Ike. Enough said. :)
(That said, my god he needs a better voice)
The purple wings in Pit's pink alt in Ult is a carryover of that old Brawl alt I think, though personally I'd rather they kept the pink outfit the same and replaced the "Dark" Pit alt with the old purple alt since Dark Pit himself is in the game anyways (and he himself deserves a better alt to replace his "Light" Pit alt too).
Speaking of Dark Pit, I kinda like the old yellow alt's wings more but keeping his hair black in Ult was the perfect call imo.
Seconded on ZSS. I understand why there's two blue ZS alts, since one is darker, but that's lame and I'd rather take that fancy purple one back instead, since sis would love it. Plus she already has a darker blue alt, that being her indigo shorts.
Wario I was thinking you could replace the blue overalls alt with the "sailor" Wario and the green overalls alt with the brown (Foreman Spike) one, to give it some extra color variety and to distinguish himself more from Mario (who has the same colors of blue and green even if reversed) in the process.
Brendan's Emerald color wasn't exactly "given" to Leaf, as it more commonly ressemble May's color in the same game. Not like it matters much since they're essentially the same character, but it's always worth keeping in mind.
I always assumed the "yellow" trainer alt in Brawl was meant to be a reference to the monochrome screen of the Game Boy, and thus the trainer's sprite. Why it's beige and not yellow, idk, maybe it's to not clash with their skin tone? Anyways this was rectified with a Selene alt for Leaf afterwards, so all's well.
(TPC's palette restrictions did my boy Lucario dirtier than the entire internet; and that's a competition I didn't think it'd win)
(I also like Brawl Wolf more)
Robin I understand why they changed the blue palette's hair; it's more accurate to the default Kris, the player character from New Mystery of the Emblem.
In fact I'd say the same for green, as it now more accurately ressembles the sprite of Mark, the (optional) tactician player character from FE7.
But the red palette is definitely a huge WTF change imo. Sure the blonde hair looks nice, but you had a perfect reference on an alt that already didn't look bad. It's nowhere near Crafted Yoshi bad, but it's still a change I couldn't help but wonder why they even thought of it.
Shulk with different hair colors looks better imo, I think it's just Shulk himself not looking as good in Ult as he does in Sm4sh that might be influencing your decision there. '^^
(That said the Riki alt definitely looks the worst of the bunch with the different hair color; it just looks messy)
that Pichu with a backpack was the cutest thing I have ever seen
Don’t hate me. But I’ll always be a Crafted World Yoshi Costume Defender. 😅
(Even though I only play with all of the characters in their default costumes. Excluding: RD Ike, Famicom ROB, AC Cloud, Female Corrin/Byleth and KH3 Sora)
I don't care,justice for the crafted world costume,it's the only thing that keeps crafted world alive.
YOSSHIII
Agreed
17:38 This might actually be a fairly obscure reference to the protagonist of G Gundam, Domon Kasshu, the color palette matches and this wouldn't be the first time smash references Gundam, the green Samus alt is a reference to the Zaku from Gundam 79
Between crafted yoshi replacing black yoshi and him getting a few notes taken out of his victory theme for no reason, yoshi truly took the most Ls in ultimate. Also the fact that the only Pokémon with their shinies as an alt are incineroar and technically charizard (with its gen 2 shiny) is a crime. That’s literally the easiest choice.
Genuinely, don't see the problem with yarn Yoshi. Your playing Brawl because your tripping
When Crafted Yoshi wins a match, the red glass shattering effect makes him look even uglier.
22:43 that's not the right alt, your commentary is correct but that image is from the World Circuit (which is in Ultimate)