I feel bad for California non-LEO, $800 for that gun is ridiculous. I paid $450 for my off roster 365 and the rest of the U.S. is payig less than $500 for the same gun. Bonta and newsome need to go!
Ah I feel bad for CA gun owners. I also paid $450 for my optic ready P365 (not in California). But at least we can all now enjoy Americas best selling handgun!
Where they sell them for under $500? And you paid off roster $450😂😂😂😂😂 I bet you don’t own even the grip of a p365. I own every p365 XL X regular P365 and Macro and non was selling for under $500. And by the way the one in California are optic ready with Flat trigger, if you own p365 as you claim , u got curved trigger and no optic option, they sell for $749 with Romeo Zero that makes it a good price for Californian . Regular P365’s were selling from $1000 to $1500 in California 6 months ago. Off roster gun used, But you bought it for $450
Sig Sauer is making $$$ for the 1st one to bring the M18 to California. The newest addition since micro stamping is not required . California gun market is so huge specially for anti gun state and that's why Glock still makes gen 3. Gun manufacturers need tap in to California market and start bringing the new cool guns to the roster.
In 2014 Glock had the Gen 4 guns out at that time but they required the loaded chamber indicator and the magazine disconnect. Glock will not disable their guns with a magazine disconnect. So we could have had generation 4 guns but Glock did not want to compromise.
@@ToddCotta new guns are starting to trickle in to the roster which means sale of Gen 3 Glocks will decline by a lot. Let's see if Glock will make gen 5 California edition.
@@ToddCotta If the roster goes away all this will be moot. However, as usual CA will come up with something new to keep guns out. Heck, right now they're probably working on something. The best thing would be to boot these idiots out of office.
I went with the P365 for the same reason the P320 is so popular. The modularity and flexibility. You can use any slide and once that idiotic magazine disconnect is removed (and the manual safety if you want), you can also use any grip module. If you want a longer, thicker, or different grip... just buy one. Want a longer barrel... purchase one.
Given that neither the 365 nor the Hellcat have a factory 30 round magazine(Pinned to 10 rounds of course 🤫) like the Glock 26, all things being equal I'd probably go with the Hellcat between the 2. Both seem like great options though super excited for the newcomers! I already have fullsize and compact handguns so fulfilling a subcompact/carry role the Hellcat seem more appealing in my opinion.
Thank you, great video as always. With the modularity of the Sig being one of their main features in the rest of the country it surprised me that you guys never mentioned that with this new P365 CA. Are the grip modules not going to be interchangeable on the CA version? I will be picking up my M18 Tuesday and my wife held one of these P365 CA that they had just received at the store and now really wants one. The grip seems too small for me and so I was hoping the end user could change grip modules to the longer version and have a similar setup as the P365 X. Thank you.
I keep seeing that these have jamming issues. Outside of that, they sound great. But a gun that jams frequently is a deal breaker if you're planning to carry it for self defense.
I just shot a 365 against my Hellcat this week. Both of them shot great except one of the 9 mm rounds in the 365 would not load. It totally jammed the gun up. I took it out of the 365 and put it in my Hellcat and it shot just fine. Not sure what's going on there. Have a great day!
Gentlemen, thank you for the thorough review of the CA compliant P365. I hope this question is not to late but could you expand on why the empty mag safety is unsafe? I don’t agree with any of the California requirements but if the gun could be potentially more dangerous, I would like to know. Thank you again.
The magazine disconnect disables the trigger when the magazine is out of the gun, not when it is empty. My people practice dry fire with a gun when they are not at a range. The fundamentals of Dry Practice is to have a completely empty gun. Having to put a magazine in the gun to practice causes two problems. #1 it could be a loaded mag, #2 is it locks back when you cycle the slide, when it would not lock back if there was no mag in the gun. Locking back makes the gun pointing direction change and causes delays in training. The biggest issue is that If you are doing a tactical mag change, and have one round in the chamber, the gun is useless while you are transitioning to a new mag. This is dangerous because if you are defending yourself and you need that round it is not available to you. I hope this explains why we said what we said. Thanks for asking.
I live in Southern California, and my local indoor range has off-roster guns for rent. So, I rented the Sig P365, and shot it side by side with my on-roster Kahr PM9. I found the Sig P365 to actually feel snappier with more muzzle flip than my Kahr PM9. Now they also had a Sig P365XL with the flat trigger for rental, that recoiled much better than the P365.
Yes, smaller and lighter guns will feel snappier than metal heavier guns. And larger grip. You have the easier it will be to control. Thanks for watching.
100% you had your thumb on the slide that caused it to not go into battery but you figured it out. For people that have issues with the grip I highly recommend to upgrade to Wilson Combat grip. And even better use the Wilson Combat X or XL grip. You get that beaver tail and better grip angle and it contours perfectly into your palm with slight ergonomic swell. I notice I shoot with more confidence, control and accuracy and I don’t even notice snappiness or recoil anymore. It’s an affordable upgrade that absolutely is worth every penny
@@ToddCotta Ya paid a a hefty amount to get the XL when bought off roster when they came out. I also got the regular 365 slide. And it was a tad more snappy with the smaller 365 slide. But with the Wilson Combat XL grip I shoot as good as I do with the smaller slide as I do with the XL slide. So now I carry and shoot it mostly with the smaller slide and love it. It’s like a 365X but with WC grip. I carry nothing else anymore. Love my P320 and other pistols but I only carry the 365
Thank you, great video as always. With the modularity of the Sig being one of their main features in the rest of the country it surprised me that you guys never mentioned that with this new P365 CA. Are the grip modules not going to be interchangeable on the CA version? I will be picking up my M18 Tuesday and my wife held one of these P365 CA that they had just received at the store and now really wants one. The grip seems too small for me and so I was hoping the end user could change grip modules to the longer version and have a similar setup as the P365 X. Thank you.
There are no modules out yet, so I am not sure if it is cross compatible with the non-compliant 49 state guns. But yes, that smaller grip on the XL is perfect for smaller hands. Thanks for watching.
I believe you have to modify the CA version of the FCU to be able to use other grip modules. I think the magazine disconnect is the issue. There are videos on youtube on how to. Check out Wilson Combat Grip modules but make sure it is compatible with the CA version of FCU.
There is already an instructional video on removing both the magazine disconnect and the manual safety! And doing so doesn't violate and idiotic California laws. So that modularity is still there!
Hi, Thank you for your presentation on this sig p365. I take it, that its a 9mm? I have a question, 115, or 124 grain or even 147 grain. What is the grain referring to? 1. The weight of gun powder? 2. Or the weight of the bullet? 3. What is the largest grain recommended by professionals for this p365? 4. I just purchased the Massachusetts compliant version of the p365, 9mm, for the most part, it is identical to the California p365. I bought mine for $597 5. Can you guys talk about the changing out and demonstrate, how to upgrade to an extended slide release. 6. Your model looks the same as mine, and for the record, I like having a safety. But, I called sig in NH, and they said my sig is not Red ready for a red dot. 6. I think in both of our cases, we need to purchase an upgraded slide. 7. This is the first sig I have ever purchased, but I would really appreciate you guys digging in and helping me/us with some feedback on these other little details. Thank you, for all of your time and efforts! -Harry
115 is fine. The difference between 115 grain vs. 124 grain 9mm ammo is the weight of the bullet, with 115 grain bullets being lighter than 124 grain bullets. Basically, the 115 grain rounds are light and fast and the 124 grain rounds are heavy and slow.
Any issues with reliability, you think? These aren’t “new “ guns, right? Just new to Cali with safety features. Thinking of switching my 43x to this just because it has a smaller grip length
Let me put it this way. They'd be nuts. If they didn't. They would sell the snot out of those. I am almost positive that they are coming out in California but hopefully we can get the roster gone before that happens.
I live in Alabama, and picked up a micro P365, with safety and optic cut, last week. Since I pocket carry, I really like a positive safety with such a relatively light trigger. I have carried a Kel-Tec P11 and PF9, as well as snubbies, so this little blaster is a dream come true! I would like an actual loaded chamber indicator; my P320/M18 spoiled me on that little doodad. Thanks for an informative video, and hoping you get your state turned around!!
@@ToddCotta Oh, I wanted to gush like a schoolgirl when I first shot it! I don't recall ever being so impressed with a new gun--unless it was the .45 Commander that was my first purchase...🙂
Another great vid from you Gentleman , really enjoy your honest opinions and keeping us fellow Ca. 2A gun owners up to date on the latest news. Todd it's funny you mentioned your class you held here in San Luis Obispo County, my dear friend Kelly R. Was in your class, when I forwarded your recent roster vid she told me you were her instructor and really enjoyed your class. Lol small world. Have a great Thanksgiving and God Bless you both. 2A Forever 🇺🇸🇺🇸
I don’t mind paying $200 more for that gun (which I ordered.) We make more here in California compared to most parts of the country. I’m just happy we got the gun. What’s the price of that?!
@@ToddCotta i read some guys are putting on thumb rests it looks like a pictatinny rail cap but it gives you a little ledge to rest your support hand thumb. I'm sure you guys know better than I just something I read some place
I added the XL grip to mine, and it’s amazing! Two fun facts: adding the XL grip gets rid of the magazine lock, and Sig Sauer technically does not manufacture the CA compliant models for modularity. I called them and they were surprised I had the XL grip installed. Not sure what my armor did, but it works great!
The P365 mags come with a flat base and an extended base plate. I carry mine with the flat base because it conceals extremely well. However, the extended base plate is preferable for larger hands. Great gun, extremely accurate, but all Sigs are sighted in for a Combat Hold (white dot OVER the target), not the more common Center Hold (top of sights on the target).
It doesn't make it safer. What it does is it makes it harder to get guns in California. Remember, gun control is not about gun safety. It's about banning guns all together. Thanks for commenting
I live in California and tried to purchase a P265 2 years ago and had to settle for the 9mm Shield. I got use to the Shield and like carrying it. So when I saw your last show I called my gun store and asked if they had any yet They had ordered 20 and then reordered 15 I was told I could get on their list first come first serve list. The price was 747.00 which turned into $850.00 after taxes background etc. I got a call and went down and bought it. Expensive but its California not a free state. Now I am stuck on the waiting period..... waiting . I'M retired LEO no breaks for us at all none the less I am glad I got mine even if it is a California version with it's issues like 10 rd mag and wont fire with the mag out. I never shoot my gun dry always leave one in the tube while tactical loading incase I need it but that trick won't work with this one. Can't wait to get my 2nd Amendment rights back. Keep up the good fight.
I want to buy 2 guns for ccw. One for me and one for my wife. What would you say is the absolute best ccw for CA that was just recently released in November? Is the magazine disconnect feature a problem? Sounds insane. Do I have to keep that feature in order to make it ccw compliant? Is this better than the shield plus that just got released for us? I honestly don’t care about price. I just want the best ccw. How can u but from you?
There are four contenders, I rank them like this, #4 Ruger Max-9 #3 Sig 365 #2 Shield Plus #1 Springfield Hellcat/Hellcat Pro That is my rankings for these guns. When they all are out, I will be doing a comprehensive breakdown of the four guns pluses and minuses. Thanks for watching!
Yeah, what is the trigger pull on the P365 CA? I got to hold one but couldn't pull the trigger cause the store owner was showing me a not picked-up yet customer's gun.
Last week, S&W had the Ca Shield Plus listed with the 10lb trigger. As of today, it says it does NOT have a 10lb trigger, so I ordered one. We will see....
Always use a gun that fits your hand. If a shooter has a big hand, a pistol with small grip will be difficult to shoot 10:10 . Also, don't ever use the thumbs forward grip with a small pistol. The thumbs will get too close to the slide 11:45 . Thumbs forward gripping a small pistol could easily get you killed in a real fight.
I love this state I was born in, but the politics are gawd awful. It is almost comical if it was not so serious of a problem. We will be fighting to save it everyday.
@@ToddCotta My family came to California in 1847 and settled down in Sutter Creek and Jackson . I was born and raised there . Went off to the Army during Vietnam and when I came home got spit on at San Francisco Airport. Left all my friends and family for Texas and never looked back. This country is going downhill fast 💨
$769 and you think it will outsell the Shield, how? I agree it's probably a better gun, but $800? It just seems that Sig is a little too proud of their guns. I also am very happy to see the new versions from the MFG's, just not at such inflated prices.
The Hellcat should be a few hundred less. Depending on if it has night sights or not. Remember this one has night sight so that's 150 bucks more in the overall cost. But we'll see. I am looking forward to doing the reviews on all these new guns coming out.
Rented : Sig 365, Shield and Ruger Max9, all micro 9mm tried out at local indoor range. I bought Ruger Max-9, $450 OTD. The Ruger Max-9 does not have Red Dot mount, but for 5-10 yard and you need the Red Dot …… then you should take the class and spend more time at the range.
So, there are actually 3 features (not 2) that are different about the California compliant P365. The magazine disconnect, the loaded chamber indicator, AND the manual safety. I don't believe I've seen a manual safety on any other version of the P365. Not sure if the sights are unique from their description. The manual safety is a BIG difference. At least the California P365s come with an optics plate. I wonder if some of the other versions of the P365 will be released in California? Not that they'll do much good for the shooters due to the 10 round capacity limit on all magazines sold in California.
There should be more 365s released. Sig would be stupid for not doing it. I just hope they can bring the prices down to at least close to the 49 state prices. Thanks for watching!
I meant MANY people will not purchase a pistol with a manual safety. I must say I agree with them. I don't believe safety mechanism make guns safer. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SAFE GUN. Shotguns or rifles, yes, pistols no.
Of course I find this out after pre paying for a Kahr PM9. I was gonna use the magguts kit and add the +1 for 7+1. I just needed a tiny pocket carry for when I go walking in the summer honestly. I bought 2 of the 8 round mags to have back ups. Kinda sucks on one hand because I've wanted the hellcat since it came out before I moved here. Honestly outsiders only know about our 10 round rule. No one talks about the idiotic roster. So when I moved here and found out I couldn't have it I was livid to say the least. But LA county will only allow 3 guns for carry on the permit. I secured a glock 30 and 26. Just needed the kahr to fill that niche in my life. I'm not sure I could do a hellcat in the pocket anyways. If you're familiar with athletic wear that is designed to be breathable it's extremely thin and the pockets are tiny. You only have a draw string keeping it on. So I think the Kahr was still probably the best choice for me as my 3rd gun for the horrible heat in SoCal during the summer.
Yeah, I don't know what your body size is or even your gender to recommend. What a good size gun is. Just know that the shield is going to be a little bit larger than the Hellcat and the standard 365. I wish you the best luck down in Los Angeles and if you do have a CCW congratulations!
@@ToddCottahonestly if the glock 30 is something I carry a hellcat should be fine. But not for my pocket in the summer. I tend to wear that special breathable type athletic clothing in the summer because I hate the heat. I'm from Pennsylvania. I don't do warm weather too well tbh. But I'm trying to live a more active lifestyle. So I am walking a lot; including in the heat. So for that a little PM9 just made sense. Otherwise I IWB the glock 30 in winter and late fall and otherwise a glock 26. I don't feel undergunned with either. But I like the big holes the .45 can make. Don't have a permit yet. Wanted my 3 guns chosen and trained on before trying to qualify.
Hey Alex... Try a Hogue beaver tail grip sleeve and a standard flat face trigger on that P365. I'll bet ya one you'll feel better with it! Great stuff as always guys, thanks a bunch. I gotta come see y'all sometime from Paso! Stay safe God Bless ✌️🇺🇲
Thanks for the video. This is Feb of 2024, and this is the first video from this channel I've seen. On a side note, I have a laptop with crappy speakers, and you guys still both sound like you have great voices for radio. I was at a local CA gun dealer today where they have the M&P Shield, Shield Plus and full size M&Ps that I have been researching for my very first hand gun purchase. There was a Sig Sauer in the case, but I didn't see which model it was, but it looked to be similar in size to the Shield Plus. Unfortunately, I got to the point where you mentioned this gun is about $800, and I stopped watching. I see a thumbnail to the right of this video of your review of the M18. I'm switching over to watch that one.
I'm pretty sure it's going to happen. Sig would be ignorant to say the least. If they didn't do that for California. Those guns are going to sell like crazy.
Sadly I paid $830 for mine here in California what a way to kill the pocketbook and then paid $500 for a P365X SPECTRE COMP 9MM 3.1" INTEGRATED COMPENSATOR SLIDE ASSEMBLY
I paid $430 for my brand new FNS-9C, without having to pay any of the CA fees (DROS, FSC, excise tax, etc). All I had to pay was sales tax.; this was right before the ‘Rona hit. Unfortunately, since then, our tyrannical governor has signed so many new gun control bills into law, that we are pretty much the CA of the Midwest - and she’s just getting started. I can’t believe I left CA, only to be dealing with the same policies, in my home state of Michigan. On the bright side, at least I can carry here, and have ammo shipped to my home.
Haha, we can't keep them in stock. They are gone before they even arrive at the store. Let's see how long this lasts. At least until the Hellcats come out. Thanks for watching!
If its a striker pistol I demand a manual safety. I will not buy a striker pistol without one. Carrying a striker pistol without a manual safety is like carrying a 1911 without a grip safety cocked but not locked. A light single action trigger just waiting to snag on something when least expected causing a negligent discharge. Not even Jeff Cooper recommended carrying in condition zero. A manual safety is no big deal. Train with it. It does not take any longer on the draw to flip the safety off with the thumb. If folks don't want to use it they don't have to but it would be there for folks that do and for folks that need it.
You know you can carry what you like. I prefer no safeties but use a holster when I am carrying. I just don't want the government telling me what I can and can't do with my firearm. So just because you believe that you're safer with a safety doesn't mean other people are. Thanks for watching!
GLOCK will not produce a gun that will not fire. I don't blame them. It is their product and they still have some of the best guns on the market. Why change? Thanks for watching!
I call BS on the cost increase. S&W and Springfield are bringing their offerings at the same price as they sell them for in the rest of the country. I am a huge Sig fan but they are gouging Californians in this case.
Thanks for the video 👍✌️ Sure kicks badly. Tiny guns are for lady's purses or a back up to something you can shoot with in a gun fight. Also tiny guns do not work well if you have big and meaty hands. Feels and looks awkward trying to grab and shoot in a jam. Yes, I know the fad is on and most mall Ninja type are looking for micro guns!
Micros Guns are great for concealment IWB with a good holster, but they do have some kick. For larger hands, a Glock 26 may be the ticket for control and concealment.
I was just talking about Colorado today and my CCW class I was teaching. Yeah, California poisons every state around it. That's for sure. Thanks for watching.
I am sorry you don't like our style. It is what we do. There are plenty of gun videos out there that are scientific, we just highlight the plusses and minuses. Thanks for commenting.
I feel bad for California non-LEO, $800 for that gun is ridiculous. I paid $450 for my off roster 365 and the rest of the U.S. is payig less than $500 for the same gun. Bonta and newsome need to go!
I could not agree with you more, but elections as they are in CA I don't see much better times coming on the horizon. Thanks for watching!
Ah I feel bad for CA gun owners. I also paid $450 for my optic ready P365 (not in California). But at least we can all now enjoy Americas best selling handgun!
Yea honestly I feel like I got ripped off for that small gun. For $800 I would’ve bought a full size beretta
2028 newsom signed again for Micro Stamping 🤦🏽♂️
Where they sell them for under $500? And you paid off roster $450😂😂😂😂😂 I bet you don’t own even the grip of a p365. I own every p365 XL X regular P365 and Macro and non was selling for under $500. And by the way the one in California are optic ready with Flat trigger, if you own p365 as you claim , u got curved trigger and no optic option, they sell for $749 with Romeo Zero that makes it a good price for Californian .
Regular P365’s were selling from $1000 to $1500 in California 6 months ago. Off roster gun used, But you bought it for $450
Sig Sauer is making $$$ for the 1st one to bring the M18 to California. The newest addition since micro stamping is not required . California gun market is so huge specially for anti gun state and that's why Glock still makes gen 3. Gun manufacturers need tap in to California market and start bringing the new cool guns to the roster.
In 2014 Glock had the Gen 4 guns out at that time but they required the loaded chamber indicator and the magazine disconnect. Glock will not disable their guns with a magazine disconnect. So we could have had generation 4 guns but Glock did not want to compromise.
@@ToddCotta so we were Glock blocked?
@@ToddCotta new guns are starting to trickle in to the roster which means sale of Gen 3 Glocks will decline by a lot. Let's see if Glock will make gen 5 California edition.
Glock will not disable their guns with the mag disconnect. If the roster goes away 100% then we will get Gen5 guns in CA. Thanks for the information.
@@ToddCotta If the roster goes away all this will be moot. However, as usual CA will come up with something new to keep guns out. Heck, right now they're probably working on something. The best thing would be to boot these idiots out of office.
I went with the P365 for the same reason the P320 is so popular. The modularity and flexibility. You can use any slide and once that idiotic magazine disconnect is removed (and the manual safety if you want), you can also use any grip module. If you want a longer, thicker, or different grip... just buy one. Want a longer barrel... purchase one.
Thanks for commenting
They both are top selling guns for Sig
Given that neither the 365 nor the Hellcat have a factory 30 round magazine(Pinned to 10 rounds of course 🤫) like the Glock 26, all things being equal I'd probably go with the Hellcat between the 2. Both seem like great options though super excited for the newcomers!
I already have fullsize and compact handguns so fulfilling a subcompact/carry role the Hellcat seem more appealing in my opinion.
Sounds like you have a plan. That Hellcat is one heck of a good gun. Thanks for watching.
Thank you, great video as always. With the modularity of the Sig being one of their main features in the rest of the country it surprised me that you guys never mentioned that with this new P365 CA. Are the grip modules not going to be interchangeable on the CA version? I will be picking up my M18 Tuesday and my wife held one of these P365 CA that they had just received at the store and now really wants one. The grip seems too small for me and so I was hoping the end user could change grip modules to the longer version and have a similar setup as the P365 X. Thank you.
@@Ondatrack2 you can switch grip modules though you just have to remove the magazine disconnect and you’ll be able to use whatever module you please
I keep seeing that these have jamming issues. Outside of that, they sound great. But a gun that jams frequently is a deal breaker if you're planning to carry it for self defense.
I just shot a 365 against my Hellcat this week. Both of them shot great except one of the 9 mm rounds in the 365 would not load. It totally jammed the gun up. I took it out of the 365 and put it in my Hellcat and it shot just fine. Not sure what's going on there. Have a great day!
Gentlemen, thank you for the thorough review of the CA compliant P365. I hope this question is not to late but could you expand on why the empty mag safety is unsafe? I don’t agree with any of the California requirements but if the gun could be potentially more dangerous, I would like to know. Thank you again.
The magazine disconnect disables the trigger when the magazine is out of the gun, not when it is empty. My people practice dry fire with a gun when they are not at a range. The fundamentals of Dry Practice is to have a completely empty gun. Having to put a magazine in the gun to practice causes two problems. #1 it could be a loaded mag, #2 is it locks back when you cycle the slide, when it would not lock back if there was no mag in the gun. Locking back makes the gun pointing direction change and causes delays in training. The biggest issue is that If you are doing a tactical mag change, and have one round in the chamber, the gun is useless while you are transitioning to a new mag. This is dangerous because if you are defending yourself and you need that round it is not available to you. I hope this explains why we said what we said. Thanks for asking.
I live in Southern California, and my local indoor range has off-roster guns for rent. So, I rented the Sig P365, and shot it side by side with my on-roster Kahr PM9. I found the Sig P365 to actually feel snappier with more muzzle flip than my Kahr PM9. Now they also had a Sig P365XL with the flat trigger for rental, that recoiled much better than the P365.
Yes, smaller and lighter guns will feel snappier than metal heavier guns. And larger grip. You have the easier it will be to control. Thanks for watching.
Ft3 tactical in Stanton?
Just sold my PM9 for the 365. I agree, the PM9 shoots smoother.
Don't shoot the FN Reflex.
You will forsake all your other micro 9mm.s
@@almaadams3631 FN Reflex available for California or not?
Thanks.
100% you had your thumb on the slide that caused it to not go into battery but you figured it out. For people that have issues with the grip I highly recommend to upgrade to Wilson Combat grip. And even better use the Wilson Combat X or XL grip. You get that beaver tail and better grip angle and it contours perfectly into your palm with slight ergonomic swell. I notice I shoot with more confidence, control and accuracy and I don’t even notice snappiness or recoil anymore. It’s an affordable upgrade that absolutely is worth every penny
It's such a small gun. The XL is much easier to shoot for sure. Let's hope they fit on the CA models. Thanks for commenting.
@@ToddCotta Ya paid a a hefty amount to get the XL when bought off roster when they came out. I also got the regular 365 slide. And it was a tad more snappy with the smaller 365 slide. But with the Wilson Combat XL grip I shoot as good as I do with the smaller slide as I do with the XL slide. So now I carry and shoot it mostly with the smaller slide and love it.
It’s like a 365X but with WC grip. I carry nothing else anymore. Love my P320 and other pistols but I only carry the 365
Thank you, great video as always. With the modularity of the Sig being one of their main features in the rest of the country it surprised me that you guys never mentioned that with this new P365 CA. Are the grip modules not going to be interchangeable on the CA version? I will be picking up my M18 Tuesday and my wife held one of these P365 CA that they had just received at the store and now really wants one. The grip seems too small for me and so I was hoping the end user could change grip modules to the longer version and have a similar setup as the P365 X. Thank you.
There are no modules out yet, so I am not sure if it is cross compatible with the non-compliant 49 state guns. But yes, that smaller grip on the XL is perfect for smaller hands. Thanks for watching.
I believe you have to modify the CA version of the FCU to be able to use other grip modules. I think the magazine disconnect is the issue. There are videos on youtube on how to. Check out Wilson Combat Grip modules but make sure it is compatible with the CA version of FCU.
There is already an instructional video on removing both the magazine disconnect and the manual safety! And doing so doesn't violate and idiotic California laws. So that modularity is still there!
@@Snapper314 can you kindly point me to that video?
Hi, Thank you for your presentation on this sig p365. I take it, that its a 9mm?
I have a question, 115, or 124 grain or even 147 grain. What is the grain referring to?
1. The weight of gun powder?
2. Or the weight of the bullet?
3. What is the largest grain recommended by professionals for this p365?
4. I just purchased the Massachusetts compliant version of the p365, 9mm, for the most part, it is identical to the California p365. I bought mine for $597
5. Can you guys talk about the changing out and demonstrate, how to upgrade to an extended slide release.
6. Your model looks the same as mine, and for the record, I like having a safety. But, I called sig in NH, and they said my sig is not Red ready for a red dot.
6. I think in both of our cases, we need to purchase an upgraded slide.
7. This is the first sig I have ever purchased, but I would really appreciate you guys digging in and helping me/us with some feedback on these other little details.
Thank you, for all of your time and efforts!
-Harry
115 is fine. The difference between 115 grain vs. 124 grain 9mm ammo is the weight of the bullet, with 115 grain bullets being lighter than 124 grain bullets. Basically, the 115 grain rounds are light and fast and the 124 grain rounds are heavy and slow.
Thank you for clarifying.
Can you explain the advantage vs disadvantages of using 124, 147 grain?
The SHIELD NEVER had any problems Like the p365 did & will go down as one of the BEST Sub compact guns EVER
We put 50k rounds through our shield 9mm. Not a glitch. Great gun.
Any issues with reliability, you think? These aren’t “new “ guns, right? Just new to Cali with safety features. Thinking of switching my 43x to this just because it has a smaller grip length
It is definitely a smaller gun. Thanks for watching!
@@ToddCotta what about reliability?
thanks for the review. When you say good chance they will bring out the p365xl, does that mean on thee california roster? thanks.
Let me put it this way. They'd be nuts. If they didn't. They would sell the snot out of those. I am almost positive that they are coming out in California but hopefully we can get the roster gone before that happens.
I live in Alabama, and picked up a micro P365, with safety and optic cut, last week. Since I pocket carry, I really like a positive safety with such a relatively light trigger. I have carried a Kel-Tec P11 and PF9, as well as snubbies, so this little blaster is a dream come true! I would like an actual loaded chamber indicator; my P320/M18 spoiled me on that little doodad.
Thanks for an informative video, and hoping you get your state turned around!!
Thanks for sharing
@@ToddCotta Oh, I wanted to gush like a schoolgirl when I first shot it! I don't recall ever being so impressed with a new gun--unless it was the .45 Commander that was my first purchase...🙂
Another great vid from you Gentleman , really enjoy your honest opinions and keeping us fellow Ca. 2A gun owners up to date on the latest news. Todd it's funny you mentioned your class you held here in San Luis Obispo County, my dear friend Kelly R. Was in your class, when I forwarded your recent roster vid she told me you were her instructor and really enjoyed your class. Lol small world. Have a great Thanksgiving and God Bless you both. 2A Forever 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Well make sure you tell Kelly hi for me. We had a great time in class. And I'm glad you're enjoying this videos. Thanks for watching.
I definitely wil let her know. She really enjoyed your class.
I don’t mind paying $200 more for that gun (which I ordered.) We make more here in California compared to most parts of the country. I’m just happy we got the gun. What’s the price of that?!
Still it sucks that everything is more expensive in CA.
Agreed! I don’t really care about the price of the gun. As long as it’s reliable and I’m allowed to carry it
@@ToddCotta it’s all relative bro. That’s the way of the world. Big city, big money… little city, little money.
Seeing that thing jumping around out of both your guys hands is why I'm going to order the XL grip module. Need that full grip. Great video gents.
Yeah I think the XL is going to be much better. Thanks for taking the time to watch.
@@ToddCotta i read some guys are putting on thumb rests it looks like a pictatinny rail cap but it gives you a little ledge to rest your support hand thumb. I'm sure you guys know better than I just something I read some place
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I can't stand tiny guns. These used to be called vest pocket gun/ back up / purse gun, but now they are tacticool .
I added the XL grip to mine, and it’s amazing! Two fun facts: adding the XL grip gets rid of the magazine lock, and Sig Sauer technically does not manufacture the CA compliant models for modularity. I called them and they were surprised I had the XL grip installed. Not sure what my armor did, but it works great!
The P365 mags come with a flat base and an extended base plate. I carry mine with the flat base because it conceals extremely well.
However, the extended base plate is preferable for larger hands.
Great gun, extremely accurate, but all Sigs are sighted in for a Combat Hold (white dot OVER the target), not the more common Center Hold (top of sights on the target).
Thanks for joining the conversation!
What is the logic behind the magazine disconnect? How does that make the gun safer?
It doesn't make it safer. What it does is it makes it harder to get guns in California. Remember, gun control is not about gun safety. It's about banning guns all together. Thanks for commenting
I live in California and tried to purchase a P265 2 years ago and had to settle for the 9mm Shield. I got use to the Shield and like carrying it. So when I saw your last show I called my gun store and asked if they had any yet They had ordered 20 and then reordered 15 I was told I could get on their list first come first serve list. The price was 747.00 which turned into $850.00 after taxes background etc. I got a call and went down and bought it. Expensive but its California not a free state. Now I am stuck on the waiting period..... waiting . I'M retired LEO no breaks for us at all none the less I am glad I got mine even if it is a California version with it's issues like 10 rd mag and wont fire with the mag out. I never shoot my gun dry always leave one in the tube while tactical loading incase I need it but that trick won't work with this one. Can't wait to get my 2nd Amendment rights back. Keep up the good fight.
Glad you found one! Yes we will keep fighting. I'm Ret Fresno Sheriff's Office.
P365 all come with 10 round magazines it doesn’t matter where u buy from. P365 x , Xl and macro got bigger magazines . X12 ,xl15,X macro 17
I want to buy 2 guns for ccw. One for me and one for my wife. What would you say is the absolute best ccw for CA that was just recently released in November? Is the magazine disconnect feature a problem? Sounds insane. Do I have to keep that feature in order to make it ccw compliant?
Is this better than the shield plus that just got released for us?
I honestly don’t care about price. I just want the best ccw.
How can u but from you?
There are four contenders, I rank them like this, #4 Ruger Max-9 #3 Sig 365 #2 Shield Plus #1 Springfield Hellcat/Hellcat Pro That is my rankings for these guns. When they all are out, I will be doing a comprehensive breakdown of the four guns pluses and minuses. Thanks for watching!
@@ToddCotta thank you so much!!!!! How can I buy from you? I’m interested in your number 1 ranked gun of course
We are expecting the Hellcats to start shipping in Mid January. Springfield still has to tool up to get them out to gun stores. Where do you live?
Is it illegal to remove those parts from the sig p365 after you own the gun?
No it is now. But it does increase your liability if you were to use the gun in self defense.
Are you guys going to review the Shield Plus, also? It looks like the CA compliant has a 10lb trigger. Is that true?
As soon as we get one we will be reviewing every gun that's coming out right now.
Yeah, what is the trigger pull on the P365 CA? I got to hold one but couldn't pull the trigger cause the store owner was showing me a not picked-up yet customer's gun.
@@UncleMiltythey are light bro I have the p320 and my friend has the 365 like 3 pound give or taken
Last week, S&W had the Ca Shield Plus listed with the 10lb trigger. As of today, it says it does NOT have a 10lb trigger, so I ordered one. We will see....
Always use a gun that fits your hand.
If a shooter has a big hand, a pistol with small grip will be difficult to shoot 10:10 .
Also, don't ever use the thumbs forward grip with a small pistol.
The thumbs will get too close to the slide 11:45 .
Thumbs forward gripping a small pistol could easily get you killed in a real fight.
Noted. It's a real issue shooting small guns.
Living in California sounds like the former Soviet Union
I love this state I was born in, but the politics are gawd awful. It is almost comical if it was not so serious of a problem. We will be fighting to save it everyday.
@@ToddCotta My family came to California in 1847 and settled down in Sutter Creek and Jackson . I was born and raised there . Went off to the Army during Vietnam and when I came home got spit on at San Francisco Airport. Left all my friends and family for Texas and never looked back. This country is going downhill fast 💨
So going to be looking at picking one of these up. Is was pretty excited when I saw these added, might look at the hellcat too.
Good choice!
Does the California version of the 365 come with the fixed firing pin? I keep hearing the first gen models had some kind of recall due to issues.
I'm sure if that was a problem the past. They are not going to put it on the California guns. Thanks for watching.
The 2018 Sig P365s had a few teething issues, but have long been sorted out.
You guys are great, excellent review. Is the manual safety also required for CA?
No it is not required. But the first edition is coming with safety's.
$769 and you think it will outsell the Shield, how? I agree it's probably a better gun, but $800? It just seems that Sig is a little too proud of their guns. I also am very happy to see the new versions from the MFG's, just not at such inflated prices.
The Hellcat should be a few hundred less. Depending on if it has night sights or not. Remember this one has night sight so that's 150 bucks more in the overall cost. But we'll see. I am looking forward to doing the reviews on all these new guns coming out.
LCI can be disabled with a Romeo X optic. The Mag safety disconnect can be disabled. Google the process, suggest a gun smith do the work.
Yes but if you use it with the MSD gone in a lethal protection case, it could be used against you. Thanks for commenting!
Rented : Sig 365, Shield and Ruger Max9, all micro 9mm tried out at local indoor range. I bought Ruger Max-9, $450 OTD. The Ruger Max-9 does not have Red Dot mount, but for 5-10 yard and you need the Red Dot …… then you should take the class and spend more time at the range.
I myself prefer the max 9 over the 365 micro. So good choice! I hope you enjoy that gun. And yes please keep training.
I'm waiting for the P365 XL, X Macro, .380, AXG, and the "Comp" versions to be legal in CA.
We will see how many they will release.
How much does this 🔥 💪 cost in total in CA?
A lot... just under $800..... Sig is sticking it to us. Thanks for asking!
We have a p365 380 , stovepipes and double stacks. Back to the second time. Not happy.
HUH,, I didn't know they had a .380 version of the 365. Hope it works out!
I have Both, a hellcat and a P365X and I can tell you that the p365X shoots softer, specially with the flat trigger
The P365 XL and Hellcat Pro are about the same in recoil. the little Hellcat and 365 can be a handful when shooting.
So, there are actually 3 features (not 2) that are different about the California compliant P365. The magazine disconnect, the loaded chamber indicator, AND the manual safety. I don't believe I've seen a manual safety on any other version of the P365. Not sure if the sights are unique from their description. The manual safety is a BIG difference. At least the California P365s come with an optics plate. I wonder if some of the other versions of the P365 will be released in California? Not that they'll do much good for the shooters due to the 10 round capacity limit on all magazines sold in California.
There should be more 365s released. Sig would be stupid for not doing it. I just hope they can bring the prices down to at least close to the 49 state prices. Thanks for watching!
Any idea when we’ll see the p 365 x macro in CA?
No idea, Sig is not releasing that information. Thanks for asking!
Do you happen to know what the SKU of the CA compliant Hellcat is??
Not yet... It's not on the website yet.
Good , solid forthright review. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
It’s a plus that you can add a light to the 365 and the hellcat.
Yep, it's definitely a plus.
I'm waiting for the hell cat and its California features. Smith really blew it with no optics cut.
I agree that Smith& Wesson always runs a little bit behind when it comes to innovation and getting the customer what they want.
I’m in Texas I know many people who owns pistols with manual safeties, you said “no one”.
I meant MANY people will not purchase a pistol with a manual safety. I must say I agree with them. I don't believe safety mechanism make guns safer. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SAFE GUN. Shotguns or rifles, yes, pistols no.
My Shield Plus has a red dot. I thought they all did. 🙄
No they don't. The loaded chamber indicator will be a problem for the CA Shields.
Of course I find this out after pre paying for a Kahr PM9. I was gonna use the magguts kit and add the +1 for 7+1. I just needed a tiny pocket carry for when I go walking in the summer honestly. I bought 2 of the 8 round mags to have back ups. Kinda sucks on one hand because I've wanted the hellcat since it came out before I moved here. Honestly outsiders only know about our 10 round rule. No one talks about the idiotic roster. So when I moved here and found out I couldn't have it I was livid to say the least. But LA county will only allow 3 guns for carry on the permit. I secured a glock 30 and 26. Just needed the kahr to fill that niche in my life. I'm not sure I could do a hellcat in the pocket anyways. If you're familiar with athletic wear that is designed to be breathable it's extremely thin and the pockets are tiny. You only have a draw string keeping it on. So I think the Kahr was still probably the best choice for me as my 3rd gun for the horrible heat in SoCal during the summer.
Yeah, I don't know what your body size is or even your gender to recommend. What a good size gun is. Just know that the shield is going to be a little bit larger than the Hellcat and the standard 365. I wish you the best luck down in Los Angeles and if you do have a CCW congratulations!
@@ToddCottahonestly if the glock 30 is something I carry a hellcat should be fine. But not for my pocket in the summer. I tend to wear that special breathable type athletic clothing in the summer because I hate the heat. I'm from Pennsylvania. I don't do warm weather too well tbh. But I'm trying to live a more active lifestyle. So I am walking a lot; including in the heat. So for that a little PM9 just made sense. Otherwise I IWB the glock 30 in winter and late fall and otherwise a glock 26. I don't feel undergunned with either. But I like the big holes the .45 can make. Don't have a permit yet. Wanted my 3 guns chosen and trained on before trying to qualify.
Has anyone else noticed that the audio panning in this video is crazy pants?
Yes, my microphone was broken, and I have since fixed it.
Can the ca p365 fcu be used in a xl frame legally? (Mag disconnect)
yes it can. It just cant be sold new in the configuration.
Hey Alex... Try a Hogue beaver tail grip sleeve and a standard flat face trigger on that P365. I'll bet ya one you'll feel better with it! Great stuff as always guys, thanks a bunch. I gotta come see y'all sometime from Paso! Stay safe God Bless ✌️🇺🇲
I sent him the screenshot of your comment. Appreciate the advice. Thanks for watching!!
Hopefully they'll add the 357 taurus raging hunter soon.
Yeah, who knows. Revolvers are a very special team market for sure. Thanks for watching.
@@ToddCotta and thank you for responding 👍
Can you put a green dot sight on the p365?
yes it has the cut for the Romeo X Micro. Thanks for asking.
Can't you just swap the FCU to the xl frame?
We don't know yet.
Omg. You guys don’t you even know your products?
Yes you can move the fcu around just like the 320s
Just from the issue of battery no go for me on the 365
Not sure what was going on with that but I know my thumb was riding the slide pretty hard. Once I moved it it was fine.
Slide safety..... LCI...... Magazine disconnect..... Easily removed.... With Wilson combat grip module (no slide safety)..
That'll be an interesting setup. Thanks for watching.
Welcome to the Party, from Montana.
Hello from Kommifotnia! Hope all is well in the great white north!!
I just bought the p320 m18 and 30 exact days later (today) I purchased a p365. Cali resident 😂🤦🏻♂️
Glad you are taken care of! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. This is Feb of 2024, and this is the first video from this channel I've seen. On a side note, I have a laptop with crappy speakers, and you guys still both sound like you have great voices for radio.
I was at a local CA gun dealer today where they have the M&P Shield, Shield Plus and full size M&Ps that I have been researching for my very first hand gun purchase. There was a Sig Sauer in the case, but I didn't see which model it was, but it looked to be similar in size to the Shield Plus.
Unfortunately, I got to the point where you mentioned this gun is about $800, and I stopped watching. I see a thumbnail to the right of this video of your review of the M18. I'm switching over to watch that one.
sig prices are ridiculous. Thanks for watching!
Looks like the way ur left hand was on or very near the slide. Thats what the issue might of been.
Yes, I bet that was what was going on. It is too small for may hands and I was over gripping it pressing on the slide. Thanks for the observation.
@@ToddCotta picking up mine today.
That is awesome, you will love it!
I want the XL
Hope they can make it happen
I'm pretty sure it's going to happen. Sig would be ignorant to say the least. If they didn't do that for California. Those guns are going to sell like crazy.
Sadly I paid $830 for mine here in California what a way to kill the pocketbook and then paid $500 for a P365X SPECTRE COMP 9MM 3.1" INTEGRATED COMPENSATOR SLIDE ASSEMBLY
I hope you like the new slide. Thanks for watching;
The standard flat trigger is definitely better for me too.
I agree the flat sugar is just a better overall trigger for that gun.
Can you make a video of all the possible firearms being added to the roster?
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Great video
Glad you enjoyed it. Have a great holiday weekend!
Thunbs riding the slide lock
Yep
I paid $430 for my brand new FNS-9C, without having to pay any of the CA fees (DROS, FSC, excise tax, etc). All I had to pay was sales tax.; this was right before the ‘Rona hit. Unfortunately, since then, our tyrannical governor has signed so many new gun control bills into law, that we are pretty much the CA of the Midwest - and she’s just getting started. I can’t believe I left CA, only to be dealing with the same policies, in my home state of Michigan.
On the bright side, at least I can carry here, and have ammo shipped to my home.
Let's see what happens in the next few months.
Recoil is crazy on it
Small guns are a handful for sure.
HERE..TAKE MY MONEY!!💸💸
Haha, we can't keep them in stock. They are gone before they even arrive at the store. Let's see how long this lasts. At least until the Hellcats come out. Thanks for watching!
I'm #40 on a list at my lcs.
800$ for that?
I paid 450$ for the same gun a few months ago and it came with 3 12 round mags.
But then again i live in texas.
Question, did yours come with three dot tritium night sights? Curious because it is standard with the CA model. Thanks for commenting.
@@ToddCotta yes it did, i think it is standard on all p365.
THE GUN COMES WITH A FINGER EXTENSION.
Thanks for watching!
So you guys can't have a Glock 43X even it's a 10 rounder ?
It is more that 10 round, must have loaded chamber indicator and mag disconnect from the trigger to be on the list. It is a royal mess.
I paid 500 here in 2A loving state of Texas 😳🤣✌️🍺🇺🇸
Great gun, but in CA they charge for everything!
I live in California, for me personally ill stay with my glocks ,they ( Glock) never fail
Actually lately we have had to return a few glocks for manufacturer defects. Its very odd.
@@ToddCottawhat was wrong with the glocks?
If its a striker pistol I demand a manual safety. I will not buy a striker pistol without one. Carrying a striker pistol without a manual safety is like carrying a 1911 without a grip safety cocked but not locked. A light single action trigger just waiting to snag on something when least expected causing a negligent discharge. Not even Jeff Cooper recommended carrying in condition zero. A manual safety is no big deal. Train with it. It does not take any longer on the draw to flip the safety off with the thumb. If folks don't want to use it they don't have to but it would be there for folks that do and for folks that need it.
You know you can carry what you like. I prefer no safeties but use a holster when I am carrying. I just don't want the government telling me what I can and can't do with my firearm. So just because you believe that you're safer with a safety doesn't mean other people are. Thanks for watching!
Glock bending over backwards? All they have to do is add a LCI and a magazine disconnect. It’s easy. Most people remove that crap anyway.
GLOCK will not produce a gun that will not fire. I don't blame them. It is their product and they still have some of the best guns on the market. Why change? Thanks for watching!
Apex needs to make a LCI delete, and I already know how to take mag disconnect out SO THERE!
Safty is a no brainer as well.
Ask your government goons if all criminals in Cali are carrying "roster" compliant firearms.
Safety levers are a negative for me. I am sure apex will be working on something soon.
They are not for sure.
That price is ridiculous!
I don't know what SIG is doing? It cant cost $250-300 more to add one part to a gun to make it CA complaint. Thanks for watching!
I’m in California I would rather have a hellcat.
Me too! Thanks for watching!
Your voice audio is panning back and forth. Left ear to right 😅
There was a glitch in the matrix. I don't know what happened. I couldn't fix it. :(
I call BS on the cost increase. S&W and Springfield are bringing their offerings at the same price as they sell them for in the rest of the country. I am a huge Sig fan but they are gouging Californians in this case.
I see it too but they put night sights on the 365. Subtract $150 without the sights and it's not more.
I’m interested in the Hellcat pro please do a review on that. Californian here, and excited for all of it. Thanks and take care.
Exactly. Ruger's selling Max 9 under $400.
Thanks for the video 👍✌️
Sure kicks badly. Tiny guns are for lady's purses or a back up to something you can shoot with in a gun fight.
Also tiny guns do not work well if you have big and meaty hands. Feels and looks awkward trying to grab and shoot in a jam.
Yes, I know the fad is on and most mall Ninja type are looking for micro guns!
Exactly. Thanks for watching!
Micros Guns are great for concealment IWB with a good holster, but they do have some kick.
For larger hands, a Glock 26 may be the ticket for control and concealment.
Miss-informed statement, people won't by a pistol with a manual safety
Not sure what you mean. Many people will not buy guns with a mechanical safety. I hear from them all the time.
This gives me sadness because Colorado seems to be only a few years away from this 2a control stupidity
I was just talking about Colorado today and my CCW class I was teaching. Yeah, California poisons every state around it. That's for sure. Thanks for watching.
It would be better with less, pontification and more facts and understanding what you are displaying more.
I am sorry you don't like our style. It is what we do. There are plenty of gun videos out there that are scientific, we just highlight the plusses and minuses. Thanks for commenting.
Too bad it's illegal to defend yourself in chinafornia
Depends on where you live I guess. Here in the Central Valley of CA it's pretty conservative. But yes it's a roll of the dice. Thanks for watching!
GET YOUR THUMB OFF THE SLIDE.
I know, it was so small that I was making it fail. Thanks for watching!
What innovations? 😂
All of the original innovations that came with the original 365. Thanks for watching!