@@adamsegin9618 Pretty much, but if top lane is a more impact champ such as Kennen, Kayle, Shen, it will be a swapsie like even matchup bot lane n' tanky jg, to ensure top lane getting lead faster than other lanes instead
It wasn't poor lane management. He made what would've been the right decision in most games. It just wasn't the case in this one with the option of a lantern gank.
@@Nameless-dv9zj i mean his team forced the enemy jingler from topside that means he has to be botside, does not matter if they jave a lamtern gank or no for the first gank and the second gank frogiven saw him and did not back up
@@Nameless-dv9zj None of Forgivens descisions would have been right in most games, except for the first lanterngank opening. He saw that he was in a disadvantageous position, and still moved greedily for cs he could never ever get anyways.
@@tenisacgregor The first gank they had river vision so unless gragas went from lane he can't never gank bot no matter the wave state. The second gank was obviously Forg1ven taking a risk since he otherwise would have to give up the wave and fall behind enough so that the game would be pretty unwinnable anyways.
@@guddefulgaming It was giving up the wave and getting his lane frozen or risk that Selfmade might not gank and get to shove the wave. If he gets his lane frozen he loses the game, there is no comeback from that until Gillius comes but that clearly wasn't gonna happen. If he walks up and try to shove there is a chance that Selfmade doesn't gank and everything is okay and a bigger chance that he ganks and he loses the game too. So what do you choose? 100% losing the game or 80% losing the game?
4:42 In this game, Selfmade showed adaptability, being able to bounce back from getting triple-buffed and finding a gank opportunity. Nemesis showed restraint, not teleporting back to lane, opting to lose gracefully instead of losing it all. Hylissang showed his skill on Thresh, pulling the trigger at the right time and being the reason Fnatic's plays were successful in the first place. Rekkles showed that he can rightclick. Bwipo showed nothing.
What i get out of this: 1. Forg1ven is way to greedy for farm. 2. Gilius is to desperate to make the game winning play happen. 3. Abbedagge is acutally decent(ish) 4. Toplane is an island. 5. Dreams is
"In my 7+ LoL career i always played to win and be competitive. As of now at least, current roster doesn't fit this principle. Schalke is unable/unwilling to make changes to fit that goal, so we mutually agreed that i stepdown until they are willing to do so."
For everyone joking about "top lane impact" - here is the other side of coin - both guys having their time - chill farming, 1v1 duels without jungle interference, a lot of skill match-ups in today's meta, when on midlane you can't even tp on lane because enemy jungler willing to sit 45s in bush to gank you and without help of half of your team you can't even farm
Nemesis clearly MVP Giving up midlane farm and experience for respecting enemy jungler, not even using tp for it, was so important :) play smart and not greedy
@@pedrogomes5238 He definitly was at the right place in the right time and for sure deserves place 2, but for me and many high elo players giving up farm and not even staying in range for experience is a huge sacrifice. You're right, that this should be expected from a LEC player, but it's also one of the biggest mistakes they make (see Forgiven)
How Fnatic bounced back...nah more like Why SO4 is not a great time. The whole video was more Fnatic made an opps then just played league and SO4 was AFK farming
@@ivangospodarski80 it's impossible to be that good because u can't control what going to happen in a game, also sometimes it depends on team comp if u pick scaling
top lane was very impactfull i like it
In a matchup like this, yes
Sett n' Aatrox r favorable for setting ganks n' counter ganks, this cause both couldn't move an inch at all no matter what
Toplane is the island and i hate it! I have no impact on the map! Thats why 5v5 sucks! *BRING BACK 3v3*
What lane?
@@Gamber63 that means that they just afk farm and coin flip rest of the map, nice role
@@adamsegin9618 Pretty much, but if top lane is a more impact champ such as Kennen, Kayle, Shen, it will be a swapsie like even matchup bot lane n' tanky jg, to ensure top lane getting lead faster than other lanes instead
How Fnatic bounced back from a disadvantageous start? Answer: They were playing against Schalke.
More true words have never been spoken before. (rip english)
exactly
yea they should have shown the XL game instead
just saw the video and came to make exactly the same comment
And 300 gold difference lol
What i get from this =
Selfmade knows how to jungle correctly and forgiven as poor lane management
It wasn't poor lane management. He made what would've been the right decision in most games. It just wasn't the case in this one with the option of a lantern gank.
@@Nameless-dv9zj i mean his team forced the enemy jingler from topside that means he has to be botside, does not matter if they jave a lamtern gank or no for the first gank and the second gank frogiven saw him and did not back up
@@Nameless-dv9zj None of Forgivens descisions would have been right in most games, except for the first lanterngank opening.
He saw that he was in a disadvantageous position, and still moved greedily for cs he could never ever get anyways.
@@tenisacgregor The first gank they had river vision so unless gragas went from lane he can't never gank bot no matter the wave state. The second gank was obviously Forg1ven taking a risk since he otherwise would have to give up the wave and fall behind enough so that the game would be pretty unwinnable anyways.
@@guddefulgaming It was giving up the wave and getting his lane frozen or risk that Selfmade might not gank and get to shove the wave. If he gets his lane frozen he loses the game, there is no comeback from that until Gillius comes but that clearly wasn't gonna happen. If he walks up and try to shove there is a chance that Selfmade doesn't gank and everything is okay and a bigger chance that he ganks and he loses the game too. So what do you choose? 100% losing the game or 80% losing the game?
Thanks for the content. The graphs where clean. The voice is clean. The music is on point. I liked it 👌
WeirdChamp
in summary... top lane presence @1:09 won the game
Hey Husgarr, btw my madness is level 1000
4:42 In this game,
Selfmade showed adaptability, being able to bounce back from getting triple-buffed and finding a gank opportunity.
Nemesis showed restraint, not teleporting back to lane, opting to lose gracefully instead of losing it all.
Hylissang showed his skill on Thresh, pulling the trigger at the right time and being the reason Fnatic's plays were successful in the first place.
Rekkles showed that he can rightclick.
Bwipo showed nothing.
Nemesis listening to LS has payed off I see
Should have been how FORG1VEN helped FNC to bounce back.
What i get out of this:
1. Forg1ven is way to greedy for farm.
2. Gilius is to desperate to make the game winning play happen.
3. Abbedagge is acutally decent(ish)
4. Toplane is an island.
5. Dreams is
Nah abbedagge is not good enough for this stage. He never was, always picking Lissandra because he can't keep up in lane pressure
"In my 7+ LoL career i always played to win and be competitive.
As of now at least, current roster doesn't fit this principle.
Schalke is unable/unwilling to make changes to fit that goal, so we mutually agreed that i stepdown
until they are willing to do so."
Well they actually did
Really love this kind of video
It just show how complex a game can be and honestly its very entertaining for me
This is an amazing video, I need more of these in my life
Beautiful content as always at the LEC!
For everyone joking about "top lane impact" - here is the other side of coin - both guys having their time - chill farming, 1v1 duels without jungle interference, a lot of skill match-ups in today's meta, when on midlane you can't even tp on lane because enemy jungler willing to sit 45s in bush to gank you and without help of half of your team you can't even farm
hi Ed, btw hot girls
The animations for this video are sick. Gj to the one who did that and gj on the explanations too.
How to tilt forgiven:
Nemesis clearly MVP
Giving up midlane farm and experience for respecting enemy jungler, not even using tp for it, was so important :) play smart and not greedy
Lol what? How is not playing bad MVP worthy? Selfmade was the clear MVP.
@@pedrogomes5238 He definitly was at the right place in the right time and for sure deserves place 2, but for me and many high elo players giving up farm and not even staying in range for experience is a huge sacrifice. You're right, that this should be expected from a LEC player, but it's also one of the biggest mistakes they make (see Forgiven)
this was a very good video. More of these :)
thanks alot, first time i've seen this type of content. really helpful tho
love it, great video
Forgiven playing like my premade when I tell him to back : "just one more wave"
ender WeirdChamp
Was waiting for this. Didn't have to wait too long, it seems.
ender WeirdChamp
How did this eveb start?
@@Altunuzraids Ender is WeirdChamp
Amazing video. Keep making more of these
the German youtuber maxim made a video about this 6 days ago 😅
Not everyone speaks german
well , to be fair, that was against Gilius.. I still think Selfmade is a beast player
so this replaced the breakdown with zirene now?
i like it
thanks for the video. thats pretty interesting
And meanwhile, the top lane, well they farmed.
anyone know the background music?
Love it!
Hi what's the name of the song ? Good video
Why am I being recommended this Video after they lost 3-0 to S04??
So basicly that was how shalke decided to give away the game ,howevrt fnc played it supper well ,gg
Godgiven material right there
That should finally convince Forg1ven Fanboys that he is bad af
Forgiven should have retired, lack of awareness and missplays have been committed from his side
Anyone still questions if Forgiven is the main problem in this team?
The only thing I get from this is that Nemesis is the Pillar which Broxah used to be.
So what this shows is how bad of an adc forg1ven is
I can hear Forgiven blaming jungler throughout this video
It’s so sad that Schalke dropped from top 4 to last...
forg1ven dem losses
well they prob lost the 4th best adc of the lec and a good jungler and got.. mh.. well..
In summary: Forg1ven lul
spanish subtitles?!?!??!
Its all forgivens fault?
OOOORRR you could resume the whole video in one sentence: Forg1ven is an old toxic player that should stop playing
this +18 video was upload to the wrong site
Forgreeden
TL;DR fnatic won cause forg1ven was on the enemy team
The short bank temporally receive because collision coherently muddle versus a unruly curtain. blue-eyed, trashy leek
How Fnatic bounced back...nah more like Why SO4 is not a great time. The whole video was more Fnatic made an opps then just played league and SO4 was AFK farming
didnt you mean 'not a great team' ? just asking
Fnc get smash by g2 in spring 2019.. right?? And finally they loose 3-2 two times against G2 in summer. They will back in summer
hmh
Why everyone likes comebacks so much?
Because it's harder to make comebacks
@@novacf5258 Yes , but it's harder to be good enough so you don't need to make comeback.
@@ivangospodarski80 it's impossible to be that good because u can't control what going to happen in a game, also sometimes it depends on team comp if u pick scaling
@@novacf5258 I am talking about the team as a whole
@@ivangospodarski80 I'm not talking of one individual either xd
"how rekkles feeds "
Forg1ven needs to retire bruh
So better bot lane wins
forg1ven rusty af
Ok next. How fnatic choked and rekkles in drama mode pgl
Defend Forg1ven more. You cant take a break for 3 years and play at a competitive level immediately
ender please stop casting