The 442s! They are wider and leather forefoot so they stretch a little. The Tekelas were not good for me and they were very difficult to get my foot in because of the high fabric collar around the ankle, I had to return them. The 442s have been great, I still use them, my favorite turfs ever!
Assuming your casual shoe size is 8.5 , I recommend half size down if you like a tight fit, so buy an 8 for this turf shoe. These turf shoes are true to size in my experience.
Hey, in width, especially forefoot, how do these compare to the 442s? Which feels wider and which stretches the best over time?
The 442s! They are wider and leather forefoot so they stretch a little. The Tekelas were not good for me and they were very difficult to get my foot in because of the high fabric collar around the ankle, I had to return them. The 442s have been great, I still use them, my favorite turfs ever!
If I am size 8.5 in general, what size do I order?
Assuming your casual shoe size is 8.5 , I recommend half size down if you like a tight fit, so buy an 8 for this turf shoe. These turf shoes are true to size in my experience.
How are they for flat arch?
They are good, flat insoles like most turf shoes and soccer cleats.