Should TRT be considered Natural?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this video we ask Super Training Gym Members if TRT is Natty or Not. A lot of lifters are hopping on TRT as a logical next step to progressing and gaining muscle. Is that necessary though?
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I already have an answer. TRT is natty when I take it. But not natty if someone else does.
verrrrrry interesting
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Aka cope
Definitely not natty. Natty is natty. Lol
Is natty, natty? it looks like a term coined by the weight lifting community. This words definition & authority is foundated off the disapproval or approval of those in this thought group. Natty points to the word natural so technically TRT can be argued as natty since its from plants and not just straight up created in a lab like other substances. Why are those other substances considered natty, is it not because they are less effective?
Loved the video! Just a random side note, I'm liking the new thumbnails. Much more color and way more vibrant!
TRT isn't natural. Your natural T levels fluctuate during the day, but with TRT it never dips down. But TRT isn't as despicable as steroids, as at least TRT can be prescribed for health purposes and wellbeing.
Wrong, as T levels do fluctuate on TRT. I inject 200mg cypionate every 2 weeks and my T levels start declining a couple of days after injections and continue to do so until the next injection. I start off slightly higher than "normal" shortly after my injection and drop to slightly below "normal" right before my next injection.
@@CaneFu Natural testosterone levels fluctuate within a 24 hour period as part of a natural rhythm. What you said is actually a good example of how TRT is different compared to being natural.
@@kanielk9772 I never said the fluctuations were the same, I simply said "T levels do fluctuate on TRT". And unless one is tested hourly we have no way to know how evenly that release of test is on TRT. Since I inject test into my thigh the release varies with my activity level, heart rate, and speeding up and slowing down of my circulation. If I were to go running or cycling everyday (I don't) I would metablize the test a lot quicker than I do now. BOTH levels of natural and synthetic testosterone fluctuate and high natural levels of testosterone, like young men have, is superior to TRT because the body will manufacture more testosterone when it is needed. If I exercise too much I could burn up my limited supply of testosterone before my next injection and I have actually done that when I tested very low on my trough day. And that's why no young healthy guys should even consider TRT and should wait until middle age before they even think about it. However, when bodybuilders take massive doses of steroids they don't ever have to worry about burning up that much test, or they just inject more if they feel run down. Guys on prescription TRT can't do that because they are only allotted a set dose by the doctor; so don't confuse TRT with steroid users as they are completely different.
If your body can’t do it on it’s own.. it’s not natty. It’s that simple.
I was on it for a year and a half over 2 years ago, and even though my levels were SUPER normal on like 70-80mg a week (Serum Test levels around 340-370 on a reference range chart of 200-800ng/dL) I still felt “better” on it. Better recovery, less visceral fat.. better sex, etc etc. it made me have gnarly sleep apnea and also raised my red blood cell counts and hematocrit/hemaglobin levels despite having “healthy” test levels from an endocrinologist. After being told staying on it could lead to an early grave (I guess there’re statistics that show a higher chance of coronary artery disease and athlerosclorosis in men who are permanently on trt vs men that aren’t taking exogenous testosterone). So who knows. But I did feel better on it even if my natural T levels today are similar to my TRT days.
Why didn’t you just donate blood? This reduces Hematocrit heavily?
@@iNoXpLodE I did indeed brother! That’s exactly what I did :)
@@iNoXpLodE it was just a side effect I didn’t want to constantly have to maintain as well as the others. I wanted to be completely natural by 30 :) but I did indeed get rid of all the hematocrit/RBC and hemoglobin
The TRT interviews were somewhat interesting, but I much more enjoyed seeing Nsima's workout tips.
TRT is not natty as you still get benefits over someone that is not on TRT
Be natural is the best way more healthy way to build muscle 👌
No. Having a stable test level is not normal. Normal is that test levels go up and down.
So by that logic once every two week injection with a short ester is natty?
@@Owen-C1997 they aren’t natty. Natty’s can have wild fluctuations, brought on especially by hard work outs, which impacts recovery. Users don’t experience this, hence they recover better, hence they can go harder more consistently.
Know what is natural? Old age, disease, disability and death. Being natural isn't something to necessarily strive for.
I consider TRT a steriod cycle. Doctor prescribed or local drug dealer. The average adult male produces 6 mg of testosterone per day. That is 42 mg. per week. The normal production range is from 5 to 10 mg. per day. Even at the highest production level, we're only talking about 70 mg a week.
A replacement dose should therefore fall between 40 and 70 mg but but but I need more to get my levels to my high normal levels tho. Most people with low testosterone would never have high natural testosterone hence they low in the first place, due to genetics, lifestyle or anaoblic abuse. Most people are doubling their levels and don't forget about the constant peak. Testosterone levels drop through out the day. I personally believe unless you have a medical issue, most people don't need it. If your levels are in the gutter, there is a reason for it. This doesn't make it Natural
I was on dr prescribed trt of under 70mg of TestE a week. Kept me in the 300s in a reference range of 200-800. Which is what I’m at now, 2 years later completely natural. So no, your theory is completely wrong. Taking too much testosterone is a cycle. Not TRT or HRT
Not saying you didn’t make valid points, but while I was on Dr prescribed TRT I was still completely normal. Not even high normal
WRONG, you don't understand TRT at all. Everyone's testosterone goes way down as we age, yours will too. Replacement doses do not work on a 1 to 1 ratio as it isn't as efficient as natural production and some of the testosterone is lost when it is metabolized, even with injections. Depending on the individual, it will probably take between 100 & 200mg per week to get their testosterone levels up to normal ranges and this is verified by blood work. While some younger guys do abuse TRT and want super physiological levels of T, most older guys (like me) just want to get their levels back up to their younger days so we can continue to exercise, be healthy, have sex again, and enjoy life. Or maybe you think we should all just accept spending our days in a rocking chair as we age?
@@CaneFu what about the constant peaks ? I am not against trt. I might need it one day but that doesn't make me natural.
@@CaneFu exactly
Definitely not.
But the roid epidemic is insane anyway. I've always been a very fast and strong guy, outran everybody in school and rugby training, deadlifting 300kg natural while still being fast and able to do many pullups etc. And now some weak genetics come, take stuff and think EVERYBODY has to be on something. You can't even have 50cm arms without people accusibg you of roids, just because their genetics don't even get there on trt
That Eddie Murphy goatee tho bro 👌 hahaha diggin it you handsome devil!
Where’s the video of the jiu jitsu tournament ?? Get to workk
Not natty, cool video though.
Where to get that fanny pack though?
Imagine abusing PEDs in your younger days, so
much so that now you ACTUALLY need to be
prescribed TRT because of all the detrimental side
effects you've inflicted upon your body like low T,
gyno, balding. Not only that but you've amassed
the majority of your gains from this PED abuse all
whilst maintaining the stance that you are natural.
And now that youre no longer taking
superphysiological amounts of test you continue to
portray yourself as natural despite still taking
exogenous hormones because now you
"NATURALLY" have lower testosterone levels than a
women. Yo the best part is he's omitting the fact
that he's in TRT now but he's actually convinced
himself that he's natural because his test levels are
within
"normal" ranges. Well first off you don't get
to build a bodybuilder physique off of the back of
PEDs then take TRT and claim your natural. Even if
you weren't on TRT (which you are) you still
wouldn't be able to claim natural because of
satellite cells alone. Lastly it's common practice at superphysiological amounts of test you continue to
portray yourself as natural despite still taking
exogenous hormones because now you
"NATURALLY" have lower testosterone levels than a
women. Yo the best part is he's omitting the fact
that he's in TRT now but he's actually convinced
himself that he's natural because his test levels are
within "normal" ranges. Well first off you don't get
to build a bodybuilder physique off of the back of
PEDs then take TRT and claim your natural. Even if
you weren't on TRT (which you are) you still
wouldn't be able to claim natural because of
satellite cells alone. Lastly it's common practice at
these TRT clinics to top people off to 1000 test.....yo
sooo someone anyone…tell me the last time you
ever met a mfer with test levels of 1000 naturally??
For most mfers that's more test than their body
would've ever produced NATURALLY. You're a 🤡
fucking & Nsima and not very intelligent.
anyone on trt isn't natural lmaoooo. Imagine if doctor prescribed me anavar lol
A lot of TRT clinics do lol
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So brother are you natty ??
He’s completely natty bro
Unless it's professional sports. Who cares.
Olympea Gym
Its not natty
TRT is like Gems in Diablo Immortal. Pay to Win. So you are paying for TRT to Win over everyone else.
(I’m kidding. So if anyone gives me shit, I’ll find you.)
I'm 67 years old and was a natural bodybuilder for more than 50 years. Six months ago I went on a low dose of TRT (100mg every 5 days) because my natural testosterone levels had gotten so low I no longer had the energy to workout. I now feel energetic, can workout again, and feel the best I have felt in many years. If you want to say I am no longer natural I don't give a f*ck because you know what is natural? Old age, disease, disability, and DEATH; and I want to put those NATURAL occurrences off as long as I can.
You are not natty bro
Letsgooo brother thats awesome
@@TheJosephGamesI know and it feels great.
Well said. And the best ever defense for taking TRT ❤️
Has long you can live with the side effects is your body. But is not natty. But good work being natty so long I guess.
trt is as natty as breast implants, just because you were born with an A cup, doesnt mean you gotta get them to catch up to the "normal", it certainly gives you an advantage in all types of sports and certainly will have side effects, if you think trt is natty than im very sorry for your 70iq
Bahahahahahaha
@@NsimaInyang sick comeback bro
@@bloodcake1337 That wasn't a comeback. He liked your comment.
lmfao I love this analogy
Who cares about being natty? I'm 67 years old and was a natural bodybuilder for more than 50 years. Six months ago I went on a low dose of TRT (100mg week) because my natural testosterone levels had gotten so low I no longer had the energy to workout and my A1C was pre-diabetic. I now feel energetic, can workout again, my A1C is back to normal, and feel the best I have felt in many years. If you want to say I am no longer natural I don't give a f*ck because you know what is natural? Old age, disease, disability, and DEATH; and I want to put those NATURAL occurrences off as long as I can.
If you outperform all your peers for the simple fact that you're on TRT and when you're off it you lose all your gains, is it natty?
not
That’s not TRT
TRY is specifically designed to help males with LOW T. Not normal healthy males on a cruise
Well you wont out perform all your peers. Depends on your genetics. A lot of guys are my gym are running literal tren and Im bigger and stronger than them as an actual natural.
@@repliesoffcuzimright1679 Imagine if they had a relatively balanced diet, do the basics of gym muscles building and sleep 8 hours everyday
more plates more dates talks about this in its entirety
you're natural testosterone pulses up and down kind of like a bandwidth signal
where as if you are injecting trt you have long chain esters that will pulse the higher output more frequently
translating into more muscle mass / less fat uptake due to the higher levels of cals burnt from more muscle retained..
This is exactly what it does! Good job man all these morons talking bullshit and trying to downplay TRT .Thank god there is a person with a brain here.
Thanks for the interesting info
Great video, loved the demos I between too.
My opinion is that natural is natural and TRT is it's own thing. I wouldn't necessarily class TRT as 'enhanced' but more optimised, so long as you're still falling in that reference range when referring to bloodwork. However depending on your dosing schedule you'll definitely have the advantage of more consistent and stable testosterone levels that won't be affected by sleep deprivation, alcohol etc. as it's administered exogenously.
There is a simple answer to this which I think sums up what you were saying: If you’re CREATING a hormone imbalance, it’s not natty, but if you’re SOLVING a hormone imbalance, it’s natty. There is a healthy range of testosterone for men. If you are above that range due to synthetic T, you are comprising your health and should stop taking steroids immediately. If you are below that range and can only be within it by taking synthetic T, steroids would actually be the natural, healthy option.
TRT is like getting married to someone who only wants you for your money😂
Didn't realize natural comes out of a needle or a pill.
Copenhagen snuff
Definitely not, obviously. Doesn't mean that someone who needs it for medical purposes shouldn't take it though.
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Im going on 200 ml a week trt.I wont be saying im completely natural anymore.
I thought you were going to give me subtitles for the whole thing 😂 💀💀💀
ummm its not. what kind of question is this!?
edit: good video
You are just such a sweetheart omg
Mike Gym America
Dude your abs look SICK btw
NOT
Excellent video man!
Eddie Murphy got big
Eddie’s handsome so I’m cool with that, lmao
@@NsimaInyang please do a meet Dave skit and smile like a creepy alien robot the entire time 😂
Yes TRT is Natty because now you have “natural” levels 😅 I’m on 100mg weekly at 45 yrs old.
BBC genetics
Gets your test levels back to normal where they should be like everyone else.
Natural ✅
Nah... Not natural bro. It may make you "healthier" but it is literally taking test. If your nuts don't produce it... It ain't natty
Good lifestyle habits can also do that, but many people turn to TRT before turning to diet and lifestyle
Also keeps your levels from not fluctuating giving you a big advantage. On top of that your free test is way higher than normal ranges
Is that even a question??
Lol...