Hahahaha! 🙃 I'm copping criticism on both sides for this video - so which side are you on? Angry that I criticised the use of biodiesel, or angry that I said anything nice about biodiesel?
@@delthamajid9853 I have 100,000 miles on waste vegetable oil, some hobby biodiesel production. I am 1/4 of the way through. So far all I see is chemistry. Are biofuels a suitable substitute for drilling? Maybe, if you farm switchgrass and algae out of the ocean? Is that where this is going? "I'll be back..."
@@LubricationExplained I'm Indonesian. My Car Mitsubishi L300 from new until now always use bio diesel, from B5 2012-2016, B20 2016-2020, B30 from 2020 until now. Bio diesel it's totally save to use in my car. My car usually use to transport palm fruit from plantation to CPO factory. And in march 2022 i buy Toyota Kijang Innova diesel engine and use bio diesel, in manual book its save but the risk of frequently changing diesel filters In Indonesia, in sumatera island, all of diesel enggine always use bio diesel, because there no pure diesel fuel (B0) in refueling station. Until now its totally save, from rent car that used until now about 500.000 kilometres and the trailer above one million kilometres Indonesia in January, 2023 increase from B30 to B35. Its totally save to use by research and development about bio fuel. And in August 2022, Indonesia development B40 in small car like Toyota Kijang Innova, enggine 2GD FTV commonrail turbo diesel, and result of research and development and testing in road until about 60000 kilometers it save to use. The enggine is demolish for see the damage and result is no damage.
@@LubricationExplained Hi! Thank you for the explanation, very intersting topic! The oil change interval of VW 2.0l TDI is 30.000km using VW spec 50700 oil. Would you recommend to shorten that interval due to 7% BD, or would you recommend oil analysis to decide for change?
Im a chemist with masteral degree and masteral degree in Mechanical engineering. I totally disagree with your statements 1. The reaction of oil with methanol doesnt yield water. It produces 3 molecules of methyl esters and one molecule of glycerine AND NOT WATER. 2. Biodiesel carrying the alkyl group of oil, has lubricating and cleaning properties, thus it doesnt only clean the engine of dirty diesel deposits but it also lubricates it to lessen the engine noise and make the movement of valves and piston smoother. 3. Biodiesel dont react with water, it has an extremely low dissociation constant and dont reverse back to triglycerides or oil. It will never produce water nor glycerine. You must be referring to the odorous mercaptans and cancer causing benzene of diesel. Brother, no offense but you have to review even your mid school chemistry. Be extra responsible to your global viewers.
I'm a mechanical engineer, just a bachelor's. But I did make a ton of biodiesel about 10 years ago before DPF filters were mandatory. As you mentioned, the byproduct was glycerine. Which made the best soap ever if you could tolerate the look of it. Only water content in the biodiesel was from when I was washing out the excess catalyst so it wouldn't corroded my fuel lines. Which was easy enough to evaporate away any of it that emulsified and didn't naturally separate with a resistance heater and air exchange using a fan. Purely anecdotal, but I'm pretty sure my old Jetta would idle smoother when running B100. Im no expert, but it was a fun little hobby.
@@Andersljungbergif you use it within a couple of months you won’t get algae in the biodiesel. Diesel isn’t immune either. Shelf life of biodiesel is 6 months, diesel is 1 year.
I am a retired chemist, speciaized i biofuels since the mid 1990-ties. I have found reasons to comment on the video which I find unclear at some points and faulty at some others. First of all, vegetable oils come naturally as tri-glycerides with minor levels of free fatty acids. This means that the process required for turning these into metyl (or ethyl) esters is called trans esterification usually with an alkali catalyst. If the level of free acidity is too high, the process needed is called esterification, usually performed with an acid catalyst. One should also be aware of that criterias for lubricants (although biodiesel is a good lubricant) is not automatically suitable for biodiesel. As for the formation of free acidity in the crankcase oil: There is obviusly a parameter for lubricants called TBA (total base no). There are components in the crankcase oil which are there to neutralize any acids coming in contact with the oil(correct me if I am wrong) . These components should be well suited to handle acidity from any kind of fuel, the sulphuric acid included (produced by the sulphur content of the fuel). It seems to me as a higher TBA is to prefer to a lower TBA, correct me if I am wrong again. I agree upon more frequent oil change intervales, since biodiesel does not evaporate from the crankcase oil the way dino does, due to its higher boiling point. The fuel consumption should increase with maximum 10% due to the lower energy content of biodiesel compared to dino . But it may not appear since biodiesel burns more compleatly than dino. Finally, the formation of soot in general from biodiesel is less than fron dino, a fact which is well known from the litterature. But, it is also known that biodiesel with a high content of mono- di-and triglycerides can generate soot deposits, which sometimes can be quite serious. But the usage of high quality biodiesel carries a small risk for this. Even though both the ASTM and EN norms have their flaws, I would still recommend biodiesel meeting those demands. And you lubricants experts, when will we see renewable bio lubricants on the market ? I know that vegetable oils have a good viscosity index. Is that not something to build further on ?
Good comment. . . Can u tell me if biodiesel can be made to a satisfacfory standard by a homeowner, who wishes to avoid the ever fluctuating feul prices? If so, can u point me to a video that u would recommend for this purpose?
@@Blue1Sapphire Well it is difficult to produce biodiesel of satisfactory quality for a home brewer. Biodiesel can be produced, of course, but it is the removal of undesired components that is the problem. Examples of such components are residual methanol, alkali metals, or the acid catalyst, depending upon which process is used, and water. The best approach is to choose an oil (or a fat) as raw material, that has good values of free acidity, water, and a high saponification no. Testing of the final product will also be necessary. Either way, it is not recommended for a home brewer to rely on his or hers biodiesel in the long run. The biodiesel industry has deep control of the quality issues of both the raw material and the biodiesel itself , something that will be too expensive and too knowledge demanding for the home brewer.
If you never used bio you will not know. I have produced 1500 000 litres (b100)and used and sold. Far superior fuel for any compression ignition engine. High cetane so better fuel economy and cooler manifold temp. The industrial ( conventional ) diesels run great on b100. The common rails run great at b30. I want to start testing with turbine engines soon. Regards
@@paul1derdude uts cheap and used motor works good too big government wants ev but Rudolph diesel invented the engine to run on peanut oil problem grown oil can't be taxed as easily.
@@paul1derThe thermal energy is a little bit lower, about 10 percent, but it burn cleaner, smell like food. Doesn't need DPF. I think diesel engine with ability to advance or retard injection will able to consume almost any diesel fuel.
I'm glad I found this video. I've been in a debate on a TDI forum in which many are calling my claims "unsubstantiated assertions" that biodiesel leads to oil dilution and necessitates more frequent oil changes.
There are many research paper that will back up your theory. From what I read, biodiesel has solvent like characteristic and will slowly strip anything it comes in contact with.
@@petea7323 kinda depends on the engine, and probably on the generation of the fuel system. I have a Landi Renzo Evo on a Dacia Duster 1,6l with the engine H4M-738 - 260k km and still going strong. It requires valve adjustment more often on LPG, so that's annoying - this year I did it myself, it's a pain in the butt. So far, the savings on fuel (back of the napkin calculation at curent prices) are about 8300$. Ar some point i will just get a new head, and that will be it.
Biodiesel has the side benefit of extra lubricity for diesel injectors and high pressure fuel pumps, typically found in CRDs. Which is super important for pump and injector protection. So Biodiesel is not all that bad! 🙂
THIS has to be one of the best videos concerning the use of biodiesel fuel. I can tell you all the negative stated issues remind me of when E gasoline first showed up in the market. Speaking from personally using the stuff in a ford vehicle for at least 150K miles without any problems at all without any specialty modifications just shows how the fossil fuel industry will spread lots of BS to keep people using straight dinosaur juice PERIOD. Been using canola, sunflower, and peanut oil in my earth movers for the past 20 years without a hiccup. The best part is the smell just makes you hungry all the time for french fries. THE low sulfur diesel just stinks to high heaven. Ones cloths are also smelly. That is why I prefer to drive a gasoline truck. Just my two cents Sir. Great work too.
@@westgatehygienecleaningsol3442 What I do not know is how long one can store biodiesel and not have an expiration date ?? Tough question to answer for sure but give it a stab. Good day fella too.
A data point, I home brewed B100 for my TDI VW. My base stock was used cooking oil, most likely canola oil but not really sure. I have intermix using my B100 to buying normal diesel based manly on convenience. My TDI VW is around 15 years old now and has over 250,000 miles and never had a major mechanical issue. I do keep up with the maintenance and change my oil and fuel filter more frequently than required.
@@spilledit 2006 VW Jetta with 5 s/p. Consistently get between 45 to 50 MPG. (using US standards) I can start from central Texas and drive to either coast with only needing to stop once for fuel. I can start with a full take of my B100 and when needed, fill up again with fuel station diesel with no issues.
Here in Sweden it is B7, however, the reduction duty has been lowered on diesel in Sweden. the reason for B7 is that most diesel engines are not considered to be made for more than B7, however, they could also mix in a little HVO, i.e. Renewable diesel that can be mixed with regular fossil diesel
Fantastic information. I am a new subscriber and loving the technical info. Would you please do a video on the positives and negatives of running well filtered and de-watered waste vegetable oil in older pre-common rail diesels. Many thanks
Hello, can you recommend for me the best oil for using on bronze spindle bearings and the best grease for normal spindle bearings with rolling elements. Thanks
Hi! Unfortunate that’s not really enough info for a recommendation. You really need the type of bearing, speeds, operating temperatures, application, level of contamination, etc.
@@LubricationExplained hi, all i can say is that it is made out of normal bearing bronze and the speed is from 10 up to 2500rpm, 1,5kw motor, temp is from -10° up to 80° celsius, application is for lathe, level of contamination i would say that only realy small particles like metal and normal dust can get it but in very small quantities. As for the roller bearing i use tapered roller bearings. Thanks
There's a guy on YT who adds about 20% of cooking oil to each tank, he lets it settle first but doesn't filter it I think. He adds it just before filling the tank and drives it home to mix it. Any drawbacks other than inconvenience?
This is an entire level deeper than this retired mechanic has ever been shown. Wish to add a couple of semi related nuggets: With ULSD (Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel) there is inadequate lubricity in the No. 2 diesel by itself, so you REQUIRE B-2, B-5 (2 or 5 percent biodiesel, respectively) to lubricate those very expensive fuel pump, injector assembly, parts, and more. Next, having driven B-5 and B-20, over the course of 60k, it is plain that you get ten percent WORSE mileage with B-20. Rule of thumb: If you put five gallons of number 2 diesel with B-20, one of those gallons is pure biodiesel. As time passes, the emissions implications of B-2 to B-25 (in the USA) will become clearer, but, based on experience so far, legislators or regulators listen to one half of the emissions storyline, and ignore the logical outcome of demanding trouble prone stuff (EGR refeeding soot into the engine) (DPF filter, thousands and thousands of dollars plugging up, ruining everything between its place in the exhaust and the piston-valve-turbo region) (SCRs with DEF fluid that get wanky because the sprayer for the stuff gets uneven) (Crankcase filling with excess fuel owing to too many regen cycles where the injectors heat up exhaust DPF to clean it, washing down the cylinder walls)(Soot galore from intake to exhaust) While I deeply appreciate the air being cleaner, not getting headaches driving behind a diesel, there is such a thing as going too far, which legislation did, IMO, well over ten years ago. Once the problem was solved, government swooped in to fix nonexistent problems, creating more problems, which they swooped to fix, breaking things, and that was about 2012. The beat goes on. Finally, the whole red herring of trying to lower CO2 is utterly insane. If you like life on Earth, you require CO2 and O2. The whiny climate crowd has decimated everyone's awareness of BIG BIG problems in the environment and If I were an evil polluting corp, would do exactly this, trick everyone into worrying about something harmless, that is one half of photosynthesis, life on Earth, while I quietly poison the air, water, with invisible, awful, forever, stuff. "Hey, Carbon Dioxide has DIE in it, it must be bad!!!!" the mindless must be thinking. Off the wall tip: If you drive conservatively, and don't mash the throttle now and then, literally driving like you stole it, its diesel sensors will not pick up it is time to self clean the exhaust (emissions) parts. There are sensors better kept inside the cab that are now attached to the hot, wet, dry, vibrating, muddy, rusty, exhaust system (I count five emissions sensors and attachments). They literally took the most reliable ICE imaginable- say the 6.7 Cummins- and made it so trouble prone and EXPENSIVE it is better to tow with a weak gasoline engine unless you are doing nothing but towing and a lot per every week. Thankful for this gentleman's insights.
I manufacture biodiesel as my core business, and we’ve run 23 trial runs with client comparing biodiesel vs diesel. In no cases was fuel consumption increased Edit after watching the whole video: no water is produced by the reaction mechanism, and biodiesel offers better lubrication than petroleum diesel. Especially after all the sulphur has been taken out of modern diesel. It also is a great solvent, cleaning soot from the engine. Incomplete combustion due to less atomisation is related purely to viscosity. Where I’m from the regulation says 2.0 to 5.3 cSt at 40’C. Biodiesel blends up to even B50 has always passed for us. Thanks for the video though. It’s quite informative
Another superb video... beautifully touched upon all aspects of bio diesel one has to be aware of to join any discussion on bio diesel today...and you have given this to us in 15 minutes!!!!...hats off..my best regards to you.
In Sweden it is B7, the justification being that most diesel engines cannot run at a higher ratio. Therefore, they also mix in HVO = Hydrotreated vegetable oil. . There is information that there is a lot of animal fat in HVO in Sweden
Thank you for great presentation , How BioD effects filtration and flow? also I'd like to share my personal experience in this regards , I have a Chevy truck diesel V8 with 120 kmiles for past 15 years , I had to fuel in Arizona and had no choice of #2 D , I filled with BioD , after 200 miles in mountains my truck went to limp mode and CEL on , had to pull over , scanned the code , and indicated fuel filter plugged , reset and I made it home , filter was not over due for service , also this truck has oil quality sensor , always reminder would come on at about 100 hours or 6-7 kmiles , it came on at around 3000 miles , thank again for great knowledge.
Back in 1998-1999 i used RME (rapeseed) fuel in my Enfield Diesel bike. The combustion chamber and tail pipe became metal clean. Before 3/4 injector holes would foul after 5000km. But with 100% RME all 4 holes was clean after 10000km. In 2012 I started to use it in my BMW 530D, and when it was time for my DPF service they asked me what I did, it was metal clean. 530D did not like 100% RME. However 80% was fine. I’ve drove it with 60-80% RME in temperatures ranging from -33 to plus 34 Celsius. No problem. Sadly they don’t sell it any more at my local station. It was the best medicine for my DPF……
3:58 retired marine engineer. 100,000 miles on waste vegetable oil, drove from North Carolina to Iowa and back on vegetable oil. Have made biodiesel, less enamored with the chemical process on a home level. My chemistry is ancient, enjoyed it, wish I had taken it up more seriously. I also wish you had indicated to the non-engineer that when you have "double bonds" that you do so at the expense of the number of oxygens attached.
Went from marine engineering, to industrial training, to human resources, to school (shop) teaching. Not everybody has watched your previous videos or is an engineer. In fact, you should be trying to draw in high school students. So at 4:40 when you discuss what's good pr bad about double bonds, you should lead with "easier/harder to break up" (or some other conclusion) and then go on to justify that. Makes for better education.
8:20 The part about percent of biodiesel is interesting. I understand that B2 is used as a means of replacing (improving) the lubricity from having removed sulfur from mineral diesels.
8:45 I would be happy of percentage of biodiesel in Mineral fuels was increased but biofuels should not be produced at the expense of things like ethanol derived from corn. We need to leave food for food. Switch grass or even farm-raised algae is fine.
Everything about the acid dilution, water in the crankcase is coming back to me. You have not discussed vegetable oil as a fuel. I believe Otto Diesel (the man) created his compression engine to use oil seeds in Germany. Any thoughts on straight vegetable oil? (Obviously waste oil would have its own acid problems.) Just requires heat. Smells good. ... for that matter, what about using used motor oil. I never did but I know some people who tried it. Would need a lot of cleaning up.
11:20 never measured the energy output of biodiesel, just did it as a hobby but I drove to Iowa and back from North Carolina, my Mercedes-Benz 300SD got 20 miles per gallon weather diesel or vegetable oil. I was getting used vegetable oil from a "funnel cake" guy. Free. Picked up more oil at a grill restaurant in Iowa. As for decreased fuel consumption, my understanding is that (corn-based) ethanol has about 80% the energy of gasoline. Stop using food for fuel. As for things being renewable, remember the second law of thermodynamics, nothing is free. If you make biodiesel you're expending energy in producing it from palm, switchgrass, algae.
Excellent video. Q: in the area of soot accumulating, are there additives that can harm the biodiesel (at a molecular level) or do you suggest staying away from any additives when it comes to biodiesel and possibly renewable diesel as well?
Soot accumulation due to dirty diesel deposits are being cleaned by biodiesel molecules. The reason why triglycerides or oil are being made to soap is because they have alkyl group that has cleaning property. This is carried by biodiesel molecule as it keeps this alkyl groups.
The info I have seen is the higher concentrations used compared to petroleum diesel is, as you said less mileage and piston rings getting glued/stuck into place leading to loss of compression and dilution of oil.
@@LubricationExplained Damn that sucks to hear, I thought the gumming/residue was due to people running WVO with the triglycerides intact. I wonder if there was a low-cost additive that could remedy the residue/ring sticking/ect.
Thanks for the info. A different bit of info well presented for the average six pack joe like myself. All I've heard from some camps is diesel bad and biodiesel good. I'm finding that green isn't always good and oil isn't always bad.
was very concern about inclussion of water in the biodiesel.. well water and aeration been used in the purification/production of biodiesel.. how about that?
Thank you for your explaination refe, im from indonesia, and i have experience with so many fuel dilution happen in my Hino engine, the dilution can even reach 1% by oil analysis.
Dear Kurniawan, in my experience if your engine is direct injection (DI) then if the concentration of biodiesel in diesel is high then when some fuel gets into your lubricating oil it dilutes the lubricant. By the way this lubricants dilution also happens with ordinary mineral HOWEVER mineral diesel is made of a range of hydrocarbons with varying boiling point. When the light components evaporates it leaves behind some long chain material with similar viscosity to the lubricant. But biodiesel has a very narrow AND high boiling point so when it goes into lubricant it does not evaporate. And since it is much thinner than the lubricant it will significantly reduce the viscosity of lubricants and reduce its protection. A group of farmers used B100 in their tractors in Austria in the 1980s and they all suffered from this fuel dilution ( which is actually the lubricant dilution). With B5 or 10 the dilution occurs to a lesser degree. With indirect injection the situation occurs less frequently.
As someone who used and manufactured used canola based biodiesel, many years ago. You made mention of the molecular structure and atomisation. Yes I agree that most biodiesels are bigger in their droplets. However they are rich in one particular thing which makes up for it. A natural form of nitrous oxide. You argue that it doesn't burn as well as mineral diesel. I strongly disagree based on long term use. As It used to run around B70 due to supply, back then, and around 60% in NZ winter conditions. The vehicle of choice back in the day was an 89 Nissan Bluebird with a std, RD20. Motor.
Keep in mind that manufacturers fought seat belts for decades. Ny Golf 201 ruyns great on B30. I get about 50 mpg out of the TDI engine and don;'t require DEF. I do changw fuel filters anually, and keep up with recommended oil change intervals. A single downside, when it's very cold, the engine does like the glow plugs to be hot to start.
Really good video. Will you do a similar video on Renewable diesel? In some states in the US, they're making a hard push to move to it. Apologies if you've already done a vid covering it, I couldn't fine it if so...
I apologize for the late question but just recently discovered your channel. Does the inclusion of animal fats & oils from utilizing restaurant ‘grease’ alter the conversation signifigantly concerning tribology & engine performance?
Not many restaurants use animal fats any more. If any is released from the actual food that is being cooked, animal fats tend to be much higher in saturated fats but still contain poly and mono fats. IOW, if you happened upon waste lard or tallow, you'd be better off than leftover soy or rapeseed oil.
However, I have discovered that car brands can have different principles regarding approved fuel for different markets, for example Mazda when it comes to the ethanol content in different markets on a car model that has the same name in different markets. a car that is approved for renewable diesel in the US may not be in Europe. Here in Europe, the density says if the diesel meets the Diesel standard
congratulations for the channel is really informative! in this video you talk about the problem of hydrolysis in biodiesel due to the reaction of the ester in the presence of heat and humidity, many engine oils contain a certain amount of ester, isn't this a problem for the formation of acids in the engine? in fact I noticed that many "racing" oils with a high ester content have high TBN values even if the recommended drainage intervals are very short ... wouldn't it be fair to avoid esters in long-life lubricants?
Yes and no 😊 You typically only find esters in full PAO engine oils (they’re present to help solvate them additives package). The benefit of having a Group IV synthetic more than outweighs the small disadvantage that esters bring, especially at low treat rates. Having said that, a few formulations have recognised the limitation and they’re starting to substitute esters with AN (alkylated naphthalene) as a co base stock.
This is a great video, but I wish you had pointed out the origins of crude oil. Why we are not making bio diesel the same way the planet does, I don't know.
Very impressive sir. Does the higher the FAME value have to increase the number of TBN? Is there any effect number of SLOC on the use of Biodiesel 30 ?
Thanks for the awesome in depth information. Thankfully I won’t need to worry about any issues from blow-by in my combustion + Steam Tesla Turbine 😈 only thing that needs lube is the bearings which’s re way away from the motive fluid flow.
@@LubricationExplained started off as a hobby but I’m getting such good results who knows! (Just fyi I do have a degree in physics 😅 I’m not just some random Tesla fanboy out here spinning things really fast with no power output… well, ok, I’m kind of a fan boy, but I do still know what I’m doing lol) Tesla’s improved Combustion + steam Turbine Patent GB 186,083 is a sleeping giant waiting to be used. It’s nothing like tooo special but it just a really good way to orient and operate everything. It uses the turbine exhaust to give up the energy for the latent heat of vap to raise the steam and then mixes the superheated steam with the high temp combustion jet. This coincidentally uses the steam as the cooling medium for the combustion jet to be able to be admitted into the turbine and reduces the amount of energy the compressor needs to supply to add all the extra air needed to provide all the cooling normal combustion jet engines need for admitting the high temp motive fluid into the turbine. As well since steam has a higher specific heat (joules/kg/°C) than air you can absorb the same amount of energy with the steam as you would by adding extra cooling air but the steam won’t raise up as high in temps allowing the turbine to operate safer at a higher rpm resulting in a higher efficiency, again to mention doing this while not needing to take power from the shaft. However just to be clear all my Tesla turbine results are proving you do not need high RPMs on the Tesla turbine for it to work efficiently like everyone mistakenly claims about the Tesla turbine, AND you can get high torque out of them if you know how to design them right. Dyno’d at 2.75kW and 6.22ft-lbs of torque at only 4150 rpm on 150 psi room temp compressed air with my plastic and aluminum prototype that I’ve been testing with. As well shown continuous 1200watt electrical load outputs at 6700rpm with room temp compressed air all the way down to 65 psi too! Just wait until I cut out my next all stainless steel turbine and add heat and use steam with a MUCH higher viscosity and adhesion to the disc faces 🤤🤤🤤 But seriously his improved patent GB 186,083 is Literally completely fuel agnostic too. Like ANY FUEL. Heat oil, gasoline, propane, Hydrogen, CRUDE OIL, syngas/woodgas/biomass gasification, saw dust, EVEN pulverized coal!! And the one I’m REALLLLLY looking forward to start testing is powdered iron fuel tests because its a completely carbon free renewable energy storage chemical. Since it makes FeOx’s (rust particulates) and they can be cyclone filtered out of the exhaust to have solar panels split it back into iron and oxygen using electrolysis. Never mind the fact the Tesla turbine doesn’t see detrimental issues from multiphase fluid flow, gasses and/or liquids and/or solid particulates within reason of the discs spacing, obviously. 🤤🤤🤤
Rafe, great delivery of the subject matter as usual 👍 Is there any current data on modern, small high speed common rail engines such as those in the current Australian ute market? Biodiesel is not something I've ever been willing to run in my own vehicle, but if it starts being mandated, would love to hear your thoughts. 12:40 In particular, the effect on DPF and SCR systems.
More and more OEM engine manufacturers are turning to biodiesel due to its many advantages. In fact Coke trucks in Emirates are using B100 for 5 years now. Lots of airlines like Boeing, Airbus are not turning to 100 % biodiesel. The train of Branson, Virgin Air has been using it for years because of its cleaner emisions and better engine performance. Even Mebourne buses have been using it since 10 years ago due to the researches conducted at Victoria Uni.
@@riccapistrano8964 I'll be waiting for the manufacturer of my engine to tell me it's OK to use. With injectors at about $750 each, the high pressure delivery pump at risk and only the depth of my own pocket to pay for it, it's not worth the risk.
@@LubricationExplained Actually the environmental benefit of it comes when you run B100. Specially on diesel boats in environmentally sensitive areas provided the boat can handle it (this is a very important point. Many engines can not handle it properly). That’s where my interest in biodiesel started in 1992. Since then it took a different direction. All the B5 and B10 is just a way of selling agricultural products via different industry.
The original research by the US in what was later called biodiesel started in the 1970s after the first oil crisis. They were using soybean oil and it’s derivatives ( fatty acid methy esters). In Asia research was towards palm oil and its methyl esters. I think Mercedes even made some buses for them that ran on pure oil.
B100 sounds like a cold region nightmare / head ache. In Alaska for example, we used DFA (Diesel Fuel Arctic) it was lighter and flowable at -80F, it also had fewer BTU/pound than #1 Diesel. I don't know if there is a B-number vs. Latitude curve but I'd be leery of any Biodiesel North of 30.
Small amount of biodiesel greatly improves the lubricity of the fuel (since most (or all) diesel is ultra-low sulfur), which is essential for health and longevity of the fuel system of any diesel engine. And the fuel system components for diesel engines are very expensive.
Thank you electoman. My concern running California-distributed ARCO "renewable" diesel is for the longevity of the dosing pump of a Webasto diesel air heater for boats, trucks or campers. If you have anything else to add I'm all ears. Thanks again.
@@applesbighatranch6906 hm, somehow I doubt that dosing pump of Webastov is any more delicate and/or sensitive, than hpfp and injectors of your regular CR diesel engine. This is just my unprofessional guess though. Can't say anything about your fuel station, I'm from UK. Best to ask Webasto service/support team about any specifics of operation of their equipment, the DOs, the DONTs, etc.
Sulphur is the only main ingredient in diesel. Everything else is just marketing. This is what is going to happen to your engine soon if you run on biodiesel ua-cam.com/video/0phE-t7ddH8/v-deo.html
We're looking into buying a new truck, it seems most in the past 15 years are certified to run on B20, what are your thoughts on using blends like B20? We're thinking if we run it in a new truck from day 1, it might not cause as many issues compared to using B20 in a truck with significant mileage already. We'll be buying B20 in bulk from a fuel supplier, say 10,000L/time.
Bunch of crap!!!!!! My uncle has been making bio for over 40 years has several tractors that almost never break down has a old Cummins with over a million miles hardly any problems still has factory internals his oil after 5k still semi transparent he changes it at 20k he put 200 gallons in storage in drums and every 5 years pumps a tank into his truck too see how it does and he cant tell a difference in tge old from tge new well he used to he passed away a few years ago. I do not no what this guy is talking about he must not no!!!! I do not have any degrees but i no from experience he is eather lying for tge oil companies or believes there lies!!!!!!!!! Eather way ignore this video!!!!!!!!!!
Before watching this video I've been running refined food grade palm oil 50/50 all summer approx 5-7 k miles no problems yet 06 VW TDI just not going to be able to use when temp here in Michigan gets below 45 degrees F thanks for the video. I'm planning to cut back to 70/30 30 percent palm oil
Does 50/50 mean half regular diesel and half palm oil, no conversion to biodiesel? Can you make a separate tank and heater to thin the palm oil in winter? Years ago I had planned to make biodiesel for my 2005 VW TDI. That experiment didn't work out because used oil became scarce, methanol prices increased, and later the TDI engine quit running with turbo problems. However, I still have the VW and biodiesel equipment.
just want to say I have known people to run their trucks etc for years even a decade+ and never have a problem. Actually they all have said their engines ran and were better for it
Renewable diesel is the way to go. It uses the same feed stock as bio but is fully refined into the exact chemical as dino without the junk. Higher cetane, higher lubricity, lower cloud point, no sulfur, no oxygen, no smell, less soot, just better in everyway. Its mostly on the west coast but hopefully at a station close to you soon.
Not higher lubricants. And density doesn’t meet EN14214 standards. Viscosity is also lower than the standard. The hydrogen needed to produce green diesel is almost never green sources. And the oil is imported from all around the world using heavy diesel (very dirty diesel) shipping vessels. Biodiesel is the way to go
Indonesia already plans to increase the blend of biodiesel to B40. Several vehicle brands that previously collaborated with the government in using B30, involved carmakers such as Nissan, Toyota, Isuzu and Mitsubishi.
@Akhmat Fauzi Sangat menyenangkan melihat bahwa OEM sangat terlibat. Saya sebenarnya sangat menyukai teknologi biodiesel dan berpikir ini agak mewakili masa depan - tetapi karena tidak terstandarisasi seperti bensin dan solar sebagai komoditas, Anda cenderung menemukan banyak produk berkualitas rendah. Semoga semuanya berubah!
Saya orang Indonesia, kami merasa senang di ban sama Uni Eropa, karena Biodiesel bisa dipakai untuk diri kami sendiri, karena penduduk Eropa sedikit, pasar dalam negeri kami banyak ditambah pasar Asia lainnya. Selain untuk kendaraan Palm Oil juga untuk keperluan memasak, pasar kami di dalam negeri ditambah India, Cina serta Afrika, masa bodoh dengan Uni Eropa, pasarnya sedikit juga banyak aturan. 😂. Di Indonesia Biodiesel sudah sejak lama di jual di tempat pengisian bahan bakar umum.
Ta very mucha. From what I can see in Brisbane shell diesel is the up to 5% bio type generally. I'm going back to easily found BP ultimate diesel. BP say they use tallow in their up to 5% diesel from what I see.
Has anyone else ever noticed that everything that's supposed to be 'better for the environment' involves burning more fuel of some kind and or passing the pollution off to something/someone else the average person doesn't know exists, while making everything evermore harder and more costly for the working class person? 😓
Can Climate also play a role, i.e. if you live in a country where it is hot and humid or if you live in a country where it is cold for several months a year
it doesnt affect the engine as much as you said, in indonesia we already using biodiesel since long time ago probably as early as 2010s and its realy nothing much differ from ordinary diesel fuel your engine will be fine as long as you replace oil regurally edit : there are experimental show by government where they put b100 to ordinary car and it realy doesnt affect its performance at all plus with the bonus of nice paml oil scent😁
Ya depends on if your engine was lucky or if it was actually designed to use bio diesel. There are even various types of biodiesel; the original Diesels ran on peanut oil. Thus you can't really make sweeping statements about what bio diesel will do it ought to be evluated based on the specific engine.
Dam, for the last 30 years we have just washed used cooking oil , Run it through a old high speed centrifuge and a cap of algaecide and add it to the oil fuel tank. Start the engine up on diesel , run it for 5 minutes and switch to cooking oil..... At the end of the run, flush everything with diesel.. Mind you I live in the country and there is no short drives anywhere..
Peanut oil was the original diesel. Some believe Mr Diesel was competition to coal and petroleum thus, he had a short life span. Tried to breathe underwater. Sad end.
That is the problem should not be at all as big with HVO Diesel because it is claimed that It is chemically similar to regular diesel Even if HVO is fossil free diesel. however, the cetane value can be 70 or higher
The duty of reduction, i.e. how many percent of the Diesel mixed with . has been lowered in sweden mixing of B7plus HVO made the diesel more expensive Several kroner more expensive per liter. So the people voted for parties that wanted to lower the involvement in diesel. also seems that the performance of a diesel car can be experienced better With less involvement in the Diesel
I am dubious of the narrators assertions and conclusions regarding the negative effects of biodiesel fuel on diesel engines... I would ask if the narrator is possibly an ASX employee? Otherwise, I thought it was an interesting video presentation.
This is a scam and fraud on the people. In Oregon they sold cheap B20. I didn't even know it for a few fill ups. I just thought they were tying to let the public know they had diesel. It was tax free. Nothing was said about manufacturer approval. I was driving a 2005 Ford 6L. Oh well the truck was wrecked so let another figure out the engine. Time to go electric.
Lots of fuel filter changes are in your future if use this in your older motorhome. Biodiesel is a great cleaner and will shake loose a lot of built up dirt which clogs your filter fast. Biodiesel holds moisture, which allows algae to grow during the storage. That algae will be tough to get rid of and will clog many filters until it is finally controlled.
*Bites apple* Hmm.. They all told me that crude was naturally processed biodiesel. "biomatter, heat, and pressure." *Points at ultrasonic oil extraction* You know that same tech if engines were made correctly would also prevent anything from building up on engines. Lol.. And the system still hasn't updated people on opposed pistols very well. Thanks for the video.. But it doesn't matter in the end what its made from, we have the technology to make it the best. Problem? Hmp.. Same as it is when trying to get the herd to look at the patent *US20100113983A1 - Utilizing ultrasound to disrupt pathogens* for selectively ending all germs based on their resonance if they're hurting people instead of being tolerated by immunity. *Bites apple* Microsoft owns it. Good luck until after the RESET! If you survive.. o7
@@raunakd4877 You think forces outside of nature are why the oil is below surface? Lol.. Its naturally processed biomass. Cody's lab covered making fuels from it. Have FUN!! Go date your sister or something DNA sample.
i came here for information but what I got was a load of BS. comments section full of chemists and engineers saying this video is full of shit. there should have to be some peer review process before publishing a scientific video on youtube
Liar
Hahahaha! 🙃 I'm copping criticism on both sides for this video - so which side are you on? Angry that I criticised the use of biodiesel, or angry that I said anything nice about biodiesel?
There is no both side in your criticism
You just said what you said
@@delthamajid9853 I have 100,000 miles on waste vegetable oil, some hobby biodiesel production. I am 1/4 of the way through. So far all I see is chemistry. Are biofuels a suitable substitute for drilling? Maybe, if you farm switchgrass and algae out of the ocean? Is that where this is going? "I'll be back..."
@@LubricationExplained I'm Indonesian. My Car Mitsubishi L300 from new until now always use bio diesel, from B5 2012-2016, B20 2016-2020, B30 from 2020 until now. Bio diesel it's totally save to use in my car. My car usually use to transport palm fruit from plantation to CPO factory. And in march 2022 i buy Toyota Kijang Innova diesel engine and use bio diesel, in manual book its save but the risk of frequently changing diesel filters
In Indonesia, in sumatera island, all of diesel enggine always use bio diesel, because there no pure diesel fuel (B0) in refueling station. Until now its totally save, from rent car that used until now about 500.000 kilometres and the trailer above one million kilometres
Indonesia in January, 2023 increase from B30 to B35. Its totally save to use by research and development about bio fuel. And in August 2022, Indonesia development B40 in small car like Toyota Kijang Innova, enggine 2GD FTV commonrail turbo diesel, and result of research and development and testing in road until about 60000 kilometers it save to use. The enggine is demolish for see the damage and result is no damage.
@@LubricationExplained Hi! Thank you for the explanation, very intersting topic! The oil change interval of VW 2.0l TDI is 30.000km using VW spec 50700 oil. Would you recommend to shorten that interval due to 7% BD, or would you recommend oil analysis to decide for change?
Im a chemist with masteral degree and masteral degree in Mechanical engineering. I totally disagree with your statements 1. The reaction of oil with methanol doesnt yield water. It produces 3 molecules of methyl esters and one molecule of glycerine AND NOT WATER. 2. Biodiesel carrying the alkyl group of oil, has lubricating and cleaning properties, thus it doesnt only clean the engine of dirty diesel deposits but it also lubricates it to lessen the engine noise and make the movement of valves and piston smoother. 3. Biodiesel dont react with water, it has an extremely low dissociation constant and dont reverse back to triglycerides or oil. It will never produce water nor glycerine. You must be referring to the odorous mercaptans and cancer causing benzene of diesel. Brother, no offense but you have to review even your mid school chemistry. Be extra responsible to your global viewers.
I'm a mechanical engineer, just a bachelor's. But I did make a ton of biodiesel about 10 years ago before DPF filters were mandatory. As you mentioned, the byproduct was glycerine. Which made the best soap ever if you could tolerate the look of it. Only water content in the biodiesel was from when I was washing out the excess catalyst so it wouldn't corroded my fuel lines. Which was easy enough to evaporate away any of it that emulsified and didn't naturally separate with a resistance heater and air exchange using a fan. Purely anecdotal, but I'm pretty sure my old Jetta would idle smoother when running B100. Im no expert, but it was a fun little hobby.
There are problems with algae in biodiesel. Several Swedes can testify to that. And there are different types of biodiesel also what has been used
@@Andersljungbergif you use it within a couple of months you won’t get algae in the biodiesel. Diesel isn’t immune either. Shelf life of biodiesel is 6 months, diesel is 1 year.
Yes, agreed with yours.
I am a retired chemist, speciaized i biofuels since the mid 1990-ties. I have found reasons to comment on the video which I find unclear at some points and faulty at some others. First of all, vegetable oils come naturally as tri-glycerides with minor levels of free fatty acids. This means that the process required for turning these into metyl (or ethyl) esters is called trans esterification usually with an alkali catalyst. If the level of free acidity is too high, the process needed is called esterification, usually performed with an acid catalyst. One should also be aware of that criterias for lubricants (although biodiesel is a good lubricant) is not automatically suitable for biodiesel. As for the formation of free acidity in the crankcase oil: There is obviusly a parameter for lubricants called TBA (total base no). There are components in the crankcase oil which are there to neutralize any acids coming in contact with the oil(correct me if I am wrong) . These components should be well suited to handle acidity from any kind of fuel, the sulphuric acid included (produced by the sulphur content of the fuel). It seems to me as a higher TBA is to prefer to a lower TBA, correct me if I am wrong again. I agree upon more frequent oil change intervales, since biodiesel does not evaporate from the crankcase oil the way dino does, due to its higher boiling point. The fuel consumption should increase with maximum 10% due to the lower energy content of biodiesel compared to dino . But it may not appear since biodiesel burns more compleatly than dino. Finally, the formation of soot in general from biodiesel is less than fron dino, a fact which is well known from the litterature. But, it is also known that biodiesel with a high content of mono- di-and triglycerides can generate soot deposits, which sometimes can be quite serious. But the usage of high quality biodiesel carries a small risk for this. Even though both the ASTM and EN norms have their flaws, I would still recommend biodiesel meeting those demands. And you lubricants experts, when will we see renewable bio lubricants on the market ? I know that vegetable oils have a good viscosity index. Is that not something to build further on ?
Good comment. . . Can u tell me if biodiesel can be made to a satisfacfory standard by a homeowner, who wishes to avoid the ever fluctuating feul prices?
If so, can u point me to a video that u would recommend for this purpose?
@@Blue1Sapphire Well it is difficult to produce biodiesel of satisfactory quality for a home brewer. Biodiesel can be produced, of course, but it is the removal of undesired components that is the problem. Examples of such components are residual methanol, alkali metals, or the acid catalyst, depending upon which process is used, and water. The best approach is to choose an oil (or a fat) as raw material, that has good values of free acidity, water, and a high saponification no. Testing of the final product will also be necessary. Either way, it is not recommended for a home brewer to rely on his or hers biodiesel in the long run. The biodiesel industry has deep control of the quality issues of both the raw material and the biodiesel itself , something that will be too expensive and too knowledge demanding for the home brewer.
Respectfully, paragraphing really helps especially with dense, deep, stuff.
If you never used bio you will not know. I have produced 1500 000 litres (b100)and used and sold. Far superior fuel for any compression ignition engine. High cetane so better fuel economy and cooler manifold temp. The industrial ( conventional ) diesels run great on b100. The common rails run great at b30. I want to start testing with turbine engines soon. Regards
This is what is going to happen to your engine soon ua-cam.com/video/0phE-t7ddH8/v-deo.html
talk to truckers. they will confirm what you said is wrong. real diesel will never be replaced by any vegans environmental dream
@@paul1derdude uts cheap and used motor works good too big government wants ev but Rudolph diesel invented the engine to run on peanut oil problem grown oil can't be taxed as easily.
@@paul1derThe thermal energy is a little bit lower, about 10 percent, but it burn cleaner, smell like food. Doesn't need DPF. I think diesel engine with ability to advance or retard injection will able to consume almost any diesel fuel.
wow, such a great achievement. which country are you from ?
I'm glad I found this video. I've been in a debate on a TDI forum in which many are calling my claims "unsubstantiated assertions" that biodiesel leads to oil dilution and necessitates more frequent oil changes.
There are many research paper that will back up your theory. From what I read, biodiesel has solvent like characteristic and will slowly strip anything it comes in contact with.
can you please make video about LPG ( propane ) and it's effects on engine and lubricants ?
And on CNG / LNG as well will be great .
LPG = burnt out valves
@@petea7323 kinda depends on the engine, and probably on the generation of the fuel system. I have a Landi Renzo Evo on a Dacia Duster 1,6l with the engine H4M-738 - 260k km and still going strong. It requires valve adjustment more often on LPG, so that's annoying - this year I did it myself, it's a pain in the butt. So far, the savings on fuel (back of the napkin calculation at curent prices) are about 8300$. Ar some point i will just get a new head, and that will be it.
@@petea7323 Only if your engine is ancient or built with substandard valves.
We run propane in our 4x4s in BC Canada...
No issues at all and we have v8s
Biodiesel has the side benefit of extra lubricity for diesel injectors and high pressure fuel pumps, typically found in CRDs. Which is super important for pump and injector protection. So Biodiesel is not all that bad! 🙂
This is what is going to happen to your engine soon ua-cam.com/video/0phE-t7ddH8/v-deo.html
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THIS has to be one of the best videos concerning the use of biodiesel fuel. I can tell you all the negative stated issues remind me of when E gasoline first showed up in the market. Speaking from personally using the stuff in a ford vehicle for at least 150K miles without any problems at all without any specialty modifications just shows how the fossil fuel industry will spread lots of BS to keep people using straight dinosaur juice PERIOD. Been using canola, sunflower, and peanut oil in my earth movers for the past 20 years without a hiccup. The best part is the smell just makes you hungry all the time for french fries. THE low sulfur diesel just stinks to high heaven. Ones cloths are also smelly. That is why I prefer to drive a gasoline truck.
Just my two cents Sir. Great work too.
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@@westgatehygienecleaningsol3442 What I do not know is how long one can store biodiesel and not have an expiration date ?? Tough question to answer for sure but give it a stab. Good day fella too.
6 months max lad
A data point, I home brewed B100 for my TDI VW. My base stock was used cooking oil, most likely canola oil but not really sure. I have intermix using my B100 to buying normal diesel based manly on convenience. My TDI VW is around 15 years old now and has over 250,000 miles and never had a major mechanical issue. I do keep up with the maintenance and change my oil and fuel filter more frequently than required.
You can afford it
What year is your jetta?
@@spilledit 2006 VW Jetta with 5 s/p. Consistently get between 45 to 50 MPG. (using US standards) I can start from central Texas and drive to either coast with only needing to stop once for fuel. I can start with a full take of my B100 and when needed, fill up again with fuel station diesel with no issues.
Here in Sweden it is B7, however, the reduction duty has been lowered on diesel in Sweden. the reason for B7 is that most diesel engines are not considered to be made for more than B7, however, they could also mix in a little HVO, i.e. Renewable diesel that can be mixed with regular fossil diesel
Excellent video
Also gives a good explanation on why you need to change your oil
Thanks!!
Actually ..its the wrong explanation ..lol....
Great video! You have a nice setup too. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
Fantastic information. I am a new subscriber and loving the technical info. Would you please do a video on the positives and negatives of running well filtered and de-watered waste vegetable oil in older pre-common rail diesels. Many thanks
Hello, can you recommend for me the best oil for using on bronze spindle bearings and the best grease for normal spindle bearings with rolling elements. Thanks
Hi! Unfortunate that’s not really enough info for a recommendation. You really need the type of bearing, speeds, operating temperatures, application, level of contamination, etc.
@@LubricationExplained hi, all i can say is that it is made out of normal bearing bronze and the speed is from 10 up to 2500rpm, 1,5kw motor, temp is from -10° up to 80° celsius, application is for lathe, level of contamination i would say that only realy small particles like metal and normal dust can get it but in very small quantities.
As for the roller bearing i use tapered roller bearings.
Thanks
There's a guy on YT who adds about 20% of cooking oil to each tank, he lets it settle first but doesn't filter it I think. He adds it just before filling the tank and drives it home to mix it.
Any drawbacks other than inconvenience?
This is an entire level deeper than this retired mechanic has ever been shown. Wish to add a couple of semi related nuggets:
With ULSD (Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel) there is inadequate lubricity in the No. 2 diesel by itself, so you REQUIRE B-2, B-5 (2 or 5 percent biodiesel, respectively) to lubricate those very expensive fuel pump, injector assembly, parts, and more.
Next, having driven B-5 and B-20, over the course of 60k, it is plain that you get ten percent WORSE mileage with B-20. Rule of thumb: If you put five gallons of number 2 diesel with B-20, one of those gallons is pure biodiesel.
As time passes, the emissions implications of B-2 to B-25 (in the USA) will become clearer, but, based on experience so far, legislators or regulators listen to one half of the emissions storyline, and ignore the logical outcome of demanding trouble prone stuff (EGR refeeding soot into the engine) (DPF filter, thousands and thousands of dollars plugging up, ruining everything between its place in the exhaust and the piston-valve-turbo region) (SCRs with DEF fluid that get wanky because the sprayer for the stuff gets uneven) (Crankcase filling with excess fuel owing to too many regen cycles where the injectors heat up exhaust DPF to clean it, washing down the cylinder walls)(Soot galore from intake to exhaust)
While I deeply appreciate the air being cleaner, not getting headaches driving behind a diesel, there is such a thing as going too far, which legislation did, IMO, well over ten years ago. Once the problem was solved, government swooped in to fix nonexistent problems, creating more problems, which they swooped to fix, breaking things, and that was about 2012. The beat goes on.
Finally, the whole red herring of trying to lower CO2 is utterly insane. If you like life on Earth, you require CO2 and O2. The whiny climate crowd has decimated everyone's awareness of BIG BIG problems in the environment and If I were an evil polluting corp, would do exactly this, trick everyone into worrying about something harmless, that is one half of photosynthesis, life on Earth, while I quietly poison the air, water, with invisible, awful, forever, stuff. "Hey, Carbon Dioxide has DIE in it, it must be bad!!!!" the mindless must be thinking.
Off the wall tip: If you drive conservatively, and don't mash the throttle now and then, literally driving like you stole it, its diesel sensors will not pick up it is time to self clean the exhaust (emissions) parts. There are sensors better kept inside the cab that are now attached to the hot, wet, dry, vibrating, muddy, rusty, exhaust system (I count five emissions sensors and attachments).
They literally took the most reliable ICE imaginable- say the 6.7 Cummins- and made it so trouble prone and EXPENSIVE it is better to tow with a weak gasoline engine unless you are doing nothing but towing and a lot per every week.
Thankful for this gentleman's insights.
I manufacture biodiesel as my core business, and we’ve run 23 trial runs with client comparing biodiesel vs diesel. In no cases was fuel consumption increased
Edit after watching the whole video: no water is produced by the reaction mechanism, and biodiesel offers better lubrication than petroleum diesel. Especially after all the sulphur has been taken out of modern diesel. It also is a great solvent, cleaning soot from the engine. Incomplete combustion due to less atomisation is related purely to viscosity. Where I’m from the regulation says 2.0 to 5.3 cSt at 40’C. Biodiesel blends up to even B50 has always passed for us.
Thanks for the video though. It’s quite informative
congratulations for the very enlightening content!
Thanks so much!
Another superb video... beautifully touched upon all aspects of bio diesel one has to be aware of to join any discussion on bio diesel today...and you have given this to us in 15 minutes!!!!...hats off..my best regards to you.
Thanks so much!
In Sweden it is B7, the justification being that most diesel engines cannot run at a higher ratio. Therefore, they also mix in HVO = Hydrotreated vegetable oil. . There is information that there is a lot of animal fat in HVO in Sweden
Thank you for great presentation , How BioD effects filtration and flow? also I'd like to share my personal experience in this regards , I have a Chevy truck diesel V8 with 120 kmiles for past 15 years , I had to fuel in Arizona and had no choice of #2 D , I filled with BioD , after 200 miles in mountains my truck went to limp mode and CEL on , had to pull over , scanned the code , and indicated fuel filter plugged , reset and I made it home , filter was not over due for service , also this truck has oil quality sensor , always reminder would come on at about 100 hours or 6-7 kmiles , it came on at around 3000 miles , thank again for great knowledge.
Back in 1998-1999 i used RME (rapeseed) fuel in my Enfield Diesel bike. The combustion chamber and tail pipe became metal clean. Before 3/4 injector holes would foul after 5000km. But with 100% RME all 4 holes was clean after 10000km.
In 2012 I started to use it in my BMW 530D, and when it was time for my DPF service they asked me what I did, it was metal clean.
530D did not like 100% RME. However 80% was fine.
I’ve drove it with 60-80% RME in temperatures ranging from -33 to plus 34 Celsius. No problem.
Sadly they don’t sell it any more at my local station. It was the best medicine for my DPF……
What is DPF. I read your comment 😊😊😊. Thanks for reply
@@dldchannel1316 DPF : Diesel-Particules-Filter
3:58 retired marine engineer. 100,000 miles on waste vegetable oil, drove from North Carolina to Iowa and back on vegetable oil. Have made biodiesel, less enamored with the chemical process on a home level.
My chemistry is ancient, enjoyed it, wish I had taken it up more seriously. I also wish you had indicated to the non-engineer that when you have "double bonds" that you do so at the expense of the number of oxygens attached.
Went from marine engineering, to industrial training, to human resources, to school (shop) teaching. Not everybody has watched your previous videos or is an engineer. In fact, you should be trying to draw in high school students. So at 4:40 when you discuss what's good pr bad about double bonds, you should lead with "easier/harder to break up" (or some other conclusion) and then go on to justify that. Makes for better education.
8:20 The part about percent of biodiesel is interesting. I understand that B2 is used as a means of replacing (improving) the lubricity from having removed sulfur from mineral diesels.
8:45 I would be happy of percentage of biodiesel in Mineral fuels was increased but biofuels should not be produced at the expense of things like ethanol derived from corn. We need to leave food for food. Switch grass or even farm-raised algae is fine.
Everything about the acid dilution, water in the crankcase is coming back to me. You have not discussed vegetable oil as a fuel. I believe Otto Diesel (the man) created his compression engine to use oil seeds in Germany. Any thoughts on straight vegetable oil? (Obviously waste oil would have its own acid problems.) Just requires heat. Smells good. ... for that matter, what about using used motor oil. I never did but I know some people who tried it. Would need a lot of cleaning up.
11:20 never measured the energy output of biodiesel, just did it as a hobby but I drove to Iowa and back from North Carolina, my Mercedes-Benz 300SD got 20 miles per gallon weather diesel or vegetable oil. I was getting used vegetable oil from a "funnel cake" guy. Free. Picked up more oil at a grill restaurant in Iowa.
As for decreased fuel consumption, my understanding is that (corn-based) ethanol has about 80% the energy of gasoline. Stop using food for fuel.
As for things being renewable, remember the second law of thermodynamics, nothing is free. If you make biodiesel you're expending energy in producing it from palm, switchgrass, algae.
awesome as always
Thanks mate!
Excellent video. Q: in the area of soot accumulating, are there additives that can harm the biodiesel (at a molecular level) or do you suggest staying away from any additives when it comes to biodiesel and possibly renewable diesel as well?
Soot accumulation due to dirty diesel deposits are being cleaned by biodiesel molecules. The reason why triglycerides or oil are being made to soap is because they have alkyl group that has cleaning property. This is carried by biodiesel molecule as it keeps this alkyl groups.
Hey mate, could you please make a video about the process of producing Biodiesel from waste vegetable oils?
The info I have seen is the higher concentrations used compared to petroleum diesel is, as you said less mileage and piston rings getting glued/stuck into place leading to loss of compression and dilution of oil.
Yeah that seems to track. My colleagues in Indo always complain about ring sticking.
@@LubricationExplained Damn that sucks to hear, I thought the gumming/residue was due to people running WVO with the triglycerides intact. I wonder if there was a low-cost additive that could remedy the residue/ring sticking/ect.
Thanks for the info. A different bit of info well presented for the average six pack joe like myself. All I've heard from some camps is diesel bad and biodiesel good. I'm finding that green isn't always good and oil isn't always bad.
was very concern about inclussion of water in the biodiesel.. well water and aeration been used in the purification/production of biodiesel.. how about that?
Great video, perfectly encapsulates everything with reference to the chemistry that underpins it. So grateful I found this video!
Thank you Rafe Enjoying and learning from your engine oil and diesel engine new videos
Thanks Alex! We'll have to catch up soon.
@@LubricationExplained Absolutely I am away this and next week. Back in home office 6/13-Aug1 I hope all well with you
Thank you for your explaination refe, im from indonesia, and i have experience with so many fuel dilution happen in my Hino engine, the dilution can even reach 1% by oil analysis.
Using solar? How about dexlite or pertamina dex?
Thanks for the comment! Yeah it seems to be prevalent throughout Indonesia.
Dear Kurniawan, in my experience if your engine is direct injection (DI) then if the concentration of biodiesel in diesel is high then when some fuel gets into your lubricating oil it dilutes the lubricant. By the way this lubricants dilution also happens with ordinary mineral HOWEVER mineral diesel is made of a range of hydrocarbons with varying boiling point. When the light components evaporates it leaves behind some long chain material with similar viscosity to the lubricant. But biodiesel has a very narrow AND high boiling point so when it goes into lubricant it does not evaporate. And since it is much thinner than the lubricant it will significantly reduce the viscosity of lubricants and reduce its protection. A group of farmers used B100 in their tractors in Austria in the 1980s and they all suffered from this fuel dilution ( which is actually the lubricant dilution). With B5 or 10 the dilution occurs to a lesser degree. With indirect injection the situation occurs less frequently.
As someone who used and manufactured used canola based biodiesel, many years ago. You made mention of the molecular structure and atomisation. Yes I agree that most biodiesels are bigger in their droplets. However they are rich in one particular thing which makes up for it. A natural form of nitrous oxide. You argue that it doesn't burn as well as mineral diesel. I strongly disagree based on long term use. As It used to run around B70 due to supply, back then, and around 60% in NZ winter conditions. The vehicle of choice back in the day was an 89 Nissan Bluebird with a std, RD20. Motor.
Surely any fuel that contains nitrous oxide wold be a plus
Keep in mind that manufacturers fought seat belts for decades. Ny Golf 201 ruyns great on B30. I get about 50 mpg out of the TDI engine and don;'t require DEF. I do changw fuel filters anually, and keep up with recommended oil change intervals. A single downside, when it's very cold, the engine does like the glow plugs to be hot to start.
Really good video. Will you do a similar video on Renewable diesel? In some states in the US, they're making a hard push to move to it. Apologies if you've already done a vid covering it, I couldn't fine it if so...
Great video! Please do one comparing FAME and HVO.
I apologize for the late question but just recently discovered your channel.
Does the inclusion of animal fats & oils from utilizing restaurant ‘grease’ alter the conversation signifigantly concerning tribology & engine performance?
Not many restaurants use animal fats any more. If any is released from the actual food that is being cooked, animal fats tend to be much higher in saturated fats but still contain poly and mono fats. IOW, if you happened upon waste lard or tallow, you'd be better off than leftover soy or rapeseed oil.
However, I have discovered that car brands can have different principles regarding approved fuel for different markets, for example Mazda when it comes to the ethanol content in different markets on a car model that has the same name in different markets. a car that is approved for renewable diesel in the US may not be in Europe. Here in Europe, the density says if the diesel meets the Diesel standard
congratulations for the channel is really informative!
in this video you talk about the problem of hydrolysis in biodiesel due to the reaction of the ester in the presence of heat and humidity, many engine oils contain a certain amount of ester, isn't this a problem for the formation of acids in the engine?
in fact I noticed that many "racing" oils with a high ester content have high TBN values even if the recommended drainage intervals are very short ...
wouldn't it be fair to avoid esters in long-life lubricants?
Yes and no 😊 You typically only find esters in full PAO engine oils (they’re present to help solvate them additives package). The benefit of having a Group IV synthetic more than outweighs the small disadvantage that esters bring, especially at low treat rates.
Having said that, a few formulations have recognised the limitation and they’re starting to substitute esters with AN (alkylated naphthalene) as a co base stock.
what about those ester additives by MANNOL? so thats not good inside engine oil?
@@LubricationExplained I'm guessing the methanol ester in fuel is the least stable, and the ones added in lube are highly stable.
This is a great video, but I wish you had pointed out the origins of crude oil. Why we are not making bio diesel the same way the planet does, I don't know.
Very impressive sir.
Does the higher the FAME value have to increase the number of TBN?
Is there any effect number of SLOC on the use of Biodiesel 30 ?
Great info, thanks!
You're welcome!!
Thanks for the awesome in depth information. Thankfully I won’t need to worry about any issues from blow-by in my combustion + Steam Tesla Turbine 😈 only thing that needs lube is the bearings which’s re way away from the motive fluid flow.
Oooooh. Tesla turbine. Fun!! Is it a hobby project or something you’re looking to commercialise?
@@LubricationExplained started off as a hobby but I’m getting such good results who knows! (Just fyi I do have a degree in physics 😅 I’m not just some random Tesla fanboy out here spinning things really fast with no power output… well, ok, I’m kind of a fan boy, but I do still know what I’m doing lol) Tesla’s improved Combustion + steam Turbine Patent GB 186,083 is a sleeping giant waiting to be used. It’s nothing like tooo special but it just a really good way to orient and operate everything.
It uses the turbine exhaust to give up the energy for the latent heat of vap to raise the steam and then mixes the superheated steam with the high temp combustion jet. This coincidentally uses the steam as the cooling medium for the combustion jet to be able to be admitted into the turbine and reduces the amount of energy the compressor needs to supply to add all the extra air needed to provide all the cooling normal combustion jet engines need for admitting the high temp motive fluid into the turbine. As well since steam has a higher specific heat (joules/kg/°C) than air you can absorb the same amount of energy with the steam as you would by adding extra cooling air but the steam won’t raise up as high in temps allowing the turbine to operate safer at a higher rpm resulting in a higher efficiency, again to mention doing this while not needing to take power from the shaft. However just to be clear all my Tesla turbine results are proving you do not need high RPMs on the Tesla turbine for it to work efficiently like everyone mistakenly claims about the Tesla turbine, AND you can get high torque out of them if you know how to design them right. Dyno’d at 2.75kW and 6.22ft-lbs of torque at only 4150 rpm on 150 psi room temp compressed air with my plastic and aluminum prototype that I’ve been testing with. As well shown continuous 1200watt electrical load outputs at 6700rpm with room temp compressed air all the way down to 65 psi too! Just wait until I cut out my next all stainless steel turbine and add heat and use steam with a MUCH higher viscosity and adhesion to the disc faces 🤤🤤🤤
But seriously his improved patent GB 186,083 is Literally completely fuel agnostic too. Like ANY FUEL. Heat oil, gasoline, propane, Hydrogen, CRUDE OIL, syngas/woodgas/biomass gasification, saw dust, EVEN pulverized coal!! And the one I’m REALLLLLY looking forward to start testing is powdered iron fuel tests because its a completely carbon free renewable energy storage chemical. Since it makes FeOx’s (rust particulates) and they can be cyclone filtered out of the exhaust to have solar panels split it back into iron and oxygen using electrolysis. Never mind the fact the Tesla turbine doesn’t see detrimental issues from multiphase fluid flow, gasses and/or liquids and/or solid particulates within reason of the discs spacing, obviously. 🤤🤤🤤
Rafe, great delivery of the subject matter as usual 👍
Is there any current data on modern, small high speed common rail engines such as those in the current Australian ute market?
Biodiesel is not something I've ever been willing to run in my own vehicle, but if it starts being mandated, would love to hear your thoughts.
12:40 In particular, the effect on DPF and SCR systems.
More and more OEM engine manufacturers are turning to biodiesel due to its many advantages. In fact Coke trucks in Emirates are using B100 for 5 years now. Lots of airlines like Boeing, Airbus are not turning to 100 % biodiesel. The train of Branson, Virgin Air has been using it for years because of its cleaner emisions and better engine performance. Even Mebourne buses have been using it since 10 years ago due to the researches conducted at Victoria Uni.
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I'll be waiting for the manufacturer of my engine to tell me it's OK to use.
With injectors at about $750 each, the high pressure delivery pump at risk and only the depth of my own pocket to pay for it, it's not worth the risk.
Love your style and technical explanations.
What happens when you run B100?
Don't think you're engine will explode or anything 😛 But obviously it takes all these effects to 11.
@@LubricationExplained Actually the environmental benefit of it comes when you run B100. Specially on diesel boats in environmentally sensitive areas provided the boat can handle it (this is a very important point. Many engines can not handle it properly). That’s where my interest in biodiesel started in 1992. Since then it took a different direction. All the B5 and B10 is just a way of selling agricultural products via different industry.
The original research by the US in what was later called biodiesel started in the 1970s after the first oil crisis. They were using soybean oil and it’s derivatives ( fatty acid methy esters). In Asia research was towards palm oil and its methyl esters. I think Mercedes even made some buses for them that ran on pure oil.
B100 sounds like a cold region nightmare / head ache. In Alaska for example, we used DFA (Diesel Fuel Arctic) it was lighter and flowable at -80F, it also had fewer BTU/pound than #1 Diesel. I don't know if there is a B-number vs. Latitude curve but I'd be leery of any Biodiesel North of 30.
Great video! Thanks for sharing all this information.
Small amount of biodiesel greatly improves the lubricity of the fuel (since most (or all) diesel is ultra-low sulfur), which is essential for health and longevity of the fuel system of any diesel engine. And the fuel system components for diesel engines are very expensive.
Thank you electoman. My concern running California-distributed ARCO "renewable" diesel is for the longevity of the dosing pump of a Webasto diesel air heater for boats, trucks or campers. If you have anything else to add I'm all ears. Thanks again.
@@applesbighatranch6906 hm, somehow I doubt that dosing pump of Webastov is any more delicate and/or sensitive, than hpfp and injectors of your regular CR diesel engine. This is just my unprofessional guess though. Can't say anything about your fuel station, I'm from UK.
Best to ask Webasto service/support team about any specifics of operation of their equipment, the DOs, the DONTs, etc.
Sulphur is the only main ingredient in diesel. Everything else is just marketing. This is what is going to happen to your engine soon if you run on biodiesel ua-cam.com/video/0phE-t7ddH8/v-deo.html
We're looking into buying a new truck, it seems most in the past 15 years are certified to run on B20, what are your thoughts on using blends like B20? We're thinking if we run it in a new truck from day 1, it might not cause as many issues compared to using B20 in a truck with significant mileage already.
We'll be buying B20 in bulk from a fuel supplier, say 10,000L/time.
This is what is going to happen to your engine soon ua-cam.com/video/0phE-t7ddH8/v-deo.html
can you do more on Hydrotreated vegetable oil?
However it seems that biodiesel is a good fuel.
Bunch of crap!!!!!! My uncle has been making bio for over 40 years has several tractors that almost never break down has a old Cummins with over a million miles hardly any problems still has factory internals his oil after 5k still semi transparent he changes it at 20k he put 200 gallons in storage in drums and every 5 years pumps a tank into his truck too see how it does and he cant tell a difference in tge old from tge new well he used to he passed away a few years ago. I do not no what this guy is talking about he must not no!!!! I do not have any degrees but i no from experience he is eather lying for tge oil companies or believes there lies!!!!!!!!! Eather way ignore this video!!!!!!!!!!
Hii your video is amazing B-100 biodiesel is good for our vehicle how we check it's quality.
Can we get rid of petroleum based diesel and go completely to bio diesael?
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Thanks for a really good explanation about this stuff 😁👍
Just skip to 9:20 to find out how it messes up your motor oil, especially full synthetic motor oil Group IV made in Germany PAO types. It dilutes it.
Can you run biodiesel in a gasoline engine car? Or just in a Diesel engine car?
Just a Diesel engine. The equivalent in the petrol world are the ethanols.
@@LubricationExplained You call yourself an expert? You're a fraud.
Before watching this video I've been running refined food grade palm oil 50/50 all summer approx 5-7 k miles no problems yet 06 VW TDI just not going to be able to use when temp here in Michigan gets below 45 degrees F thanks for the video. I'm planning to cut back to 70/30 30 percent palm oil
Does 50/50 mean half regular diesel and half palm oil, no conversion to biodiesel? Can you make a separate tank and heater to thin the palm oil in winter? Years ago I had planned to make biodiesel for my 2005 VW TDI. That experiment didn't work out because used oil became scarce, methanol prices increased, and later the TDI engine quit running with turbo problems. However, I still have the VW and biodiesel equipment.
Have you done ethanol?
Not yet!
just want to say I have known people to run their trucks etc for years even a decade+ and never have a problem. Actually they all have said their engines ran and were better for it
Renewable diesel is the way to go. It uses the same feed stock as bio but is fully refined into the exact chemical as dino without the junk. Higher cetane, higher lubricity, lower cloud point, no sulfur, no oxygen, no smell, less soot, just better in everyway. Its mostly on the west coast but hopefully at a station close to you soon.
Not higher lubricants. And density doesn’t meet EN14214 standards. Viscosity is also lower than the standard. The hydrogen needed to produce green diesel is almost never green sources. And the oil is imported from all around the world using heavy diesel (very dirty diesel) shipping vessels. Biodiesel is the way to go
@@trumpthelegend6357 Enjoy your leaks and repairs. I like the no smoke and no smell.
Crankcase oil and crude oil can be used as an excellent fuel just strain out. The chunks
Indonesia already plans to increase the blend of biodiesel to B40. Several vehicle brands that previously collaborated with the government in using B30, involved carmakers such as Nissan, Toyota, Isuzu and Mitsubishi.
Akibatnya harga dex jadi mahal, gara2 harga sawit mahal.
@Akhmat Fauzi Sangat menyenangkan melihat bahwa OEM sangat terlibat. Saya sebenarnya sangat menyukai teknologi biodiesel dan berpikir ini agak mewakili masa depan - tetapi karena tidak terstandarisasi seperti bensin dan solar sebagai komoditas, Anda cenderung menemukan banyak produk berkualitas rendah. Semoga semuanya berubah!
Saya orang Indonesia, kami merasa senang di ban sama Uni Eropa, karena Biodiesel bisa dipakai untuk diri kami sendiri, karena penduduk Eropa sedikit, pasar dalam negeri kami banyak ditambah pasar Asia lainnya.
Selain untuk kendaraan Palm Oil juga untuk keperluan memasak, pasar kami di dalam negeri ditambah India, Cina serta Afrika, masa bodoh dengan Uni Eropa, pasarnya sedikit juga banyak aturan. 😂.
Di Indonesia Biodiesel sudah sejak lama di jual di tempat pengisian bahan bakar umum.
What about not FAME biodisel. what about HVO?
Ta very mucha. From what I can see in Brisbane shell diesel is the up to 5% bio type generally. I'm going back to easily found BP ultimate diesel. BP say they use tallow in their up to 5% diesel from what I see.
Has anyone else ever noticed that everything that's supposed to be 'better for the environment' involves burning more fuel of some kind and or passing the pollution off to something/someone else the average person doesn't know exists, while making everything evermore harder and more costly for the working class person? 😓
Can Climate also play a role, i.e. if you live in a country where it is hot and humid or if you live in a country where it is cold for several months a year
it doesnt affect the engine as much as you said, in indonesia we already using biodiesel since long time ago probably as early as 2010s and its realy nothing much differ from ordinary diesel fuel your engine will be fine as long as you replace oil regurally
edit : there are experimental show by government where they put b100 to ordinary car and it realy doesnt affect its performance at all plus with the bonus of nice paml oil scent😁
Great idea, use scarce fresh water supply, fertilizer, pesticides, and farmland that could otherwise be used for food.
Nothing wrong with the stuff. ATG system works a treat.
Ya depends on if your engine was lucky or if it was actually designed to use bio diesel. There are even various types of biodiesel; the original Diesels ran on peanut oil. Thus you can't really make sweeping statements about what bio diesel will do it ought to be evluated based on the specific engine.
Dam, for the last 30 years we have just washed used cooking oil , Run it through a old high speed centrifuge and a cap of algaecide and add it to the oil fuel tank. Start the engine up on diesel , run it for 5 minutes and switch to cooking oil..... At the end of the run, flush everything with diesel.. Mind you I live in the country and there is no short drives anywhere..
Would not recommend using biodiesel in a Cummins motor- fucks it up pretty good and your fuel filters.
Rudolf Diesel used peanut oil
Peanut oil was the original diesel. Some believe Mr Diesel was competition to coal and petroleum thus, he had a short life span. Tried to breathe underwater. Sad end.
That is the problem should not be at all as big with HVO Diesel because it is claimed that It is chemically similar to regular diesel Even if HVO is fossil free diesel. however, the cetane value can be 70 or higher
The duty of reduction, i.e. how many percent of the Diesel mixed with . has been lowered in sweden mixing of B7plus HVO made the diesel more expensive Several kroner more expensive per liter. So the people voted for parties that wanted to lower the involvement in diesel. also seems that the performance of a diesel car can be experienced better With less involvement in the Diesel
I am dubious of the narrators assertions and conclusions regarding the negative effects of biodiesel fuel on diesel engines...
I would ask if the narrator is possibly an ASX employee? Otherwise, I thought it was an interesting video presentation.
This is a scam and fraud on the people. In Oregon they sold cheap B20. I didn't even know it for a few fill ups. I just thought they were tying to let the public know they had diesel. It was tax free. Nothing was said about manufacturer approval. I was driving a 2005 Ford 6L. Oh well the truck was wrecked so let another figure out the engine. Time to go electric.
Lots of fuel filter changes are in your future if use this in your older motorhome. Biodiesel is a great cleaner and will shake loose a lot of built up dirt which clogs your filter fast. Biodiesel holds moisture, which allows algae to grow during the storage. That algae will be tough to get rid of and will clog many filters until it is finally controlled.
You right about more filter changes ! But its the other way round mate ! Biodoesl kills the mentioned algae ! :)
A baking soda filter is an easy answer of .25 gallon vegetable like diesel x4 vegetable oil density ,,,
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Well let's face it when Diesel built his first engine they ran on flaxseed oil! Many years later they set them up to run a waste petroleum product
Bottom line….it will not get as good fuel economy as D2 diesel. Not worth it.
*Bites apple* Hmm.. They all told me that crude was naturally processed biodiesel. "biomatter, heat, and pressure." *Points at ultrasonic oil extraction* You know that same tech if engines were made correctly would also prevent anything from building up on engines. Lol.. And the system still hasn't updated people on opposed pistols very well. Thanks for the video.. But it doesn't matter in the end what its made from, we have the technology to make it the best. Problem? Hmp.. Same as it is when trying to get the herd to look at the patent *US20100113983A1 - Utilizing ultrasound to disrupt pathogens* for selectively ending all germs based on their resonance if they're hurting people instead of being tolerated by immunity. *Bites apple* Microsoft owns it. Good luck until after the RESET! If you survive.. o7
How high were you when you wrote this?
@@raunakd4877 You think forces outside of nature are why the oil is below surface? Lol.. Its naturally processed biomass.
Cody's lab covered making fuels from it. Have FUN!! Go date your sister or something DNA sample.
Better off just buying 100 crude diesel ⛽️. Diesel is cheap .
Let that bioSh diesel stay in some tank for 3-5month.. after you will see that junk whats on the bottom of tank..
i came here for information but what I got was a load of BS. comments section full of chemists and engineers saying this video is full of shit. there should have to be some peer review process before publishing a scientific video on youtube
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