Making Real Tinder: Feather-Sticks Siberian Style

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  • @KevinDufflev
    @KevinDufflev 7 років тому +2

    This is how my great uncle taught me to make kindling many years ago . Thank you for showing that it's not necessary to beat on your knife with a club in order to start a fire !

  • @andrewsmith1606
    @andrewsmith1606 7 років тому +4

    Just great no nonsense outdoorsman skills.
    Cut out 2hrs of gathering 10 sizes of tinder...much more efficient method of fire lighting.
    Its always great to see a practical approach to problem solving...use what's immediately available, work with it and not against it, don't overcomplicate!
    Great video :)

  • @mistersmith3986
    @mistersmith3986 7 років тому +3

    I like this method 100% better than the thin micro feather sticks. Thanks for the videos brother!

  • @Far-North-Bushcraft-Survival
    @Far-North-Bushcraft-Survival 7 років тому +2

    Around here, rain and moisture will only soak in a dead standing tree about 1/8th inch. Once you have scraped into the tree beyond that 1/8th inch then you have dry wood even in the wettest of conditions. Looks to be the same there. Good advice my friend. This is advice that many may not be aware of and could be key to survival.

    • @SurvivalRussia
      @SurvivalRussia  7 років тому

      Yes, I think it's quite much the same here as you point out. Thank you for dropping in and have a great weekend :)

  • @MOOSEDOWNUNDER
    @MOOSEDOWNUNDER 7 років тому

    Another example of how to learn and adapt from a tribe that has to master these skills for real survival. No time to sit around and make spoons they have to get on with it and get their family warm. Nice work Lars. Cheers Moose.

  • @CorpusCrispy
    @CorpusCrispy 7 років тому +8

    Like hearing about indigenous Russian techniques! Keep it coming!

  • @vv2304
    @vv2304 7 років тому +3

    In my opinion, most of the feathers I see in instructions are unnecessarily thin and small. These are much better, you can still light them with ferro rod if you wish, and most importantly these larger ones burn much longer than flimsy ones and thus additional small kindling is not usually needed for fire if you make enough of these bigger chips.

  • @zcosmos9
    @zcosmos9 7 років тому +11

    great video , Lars....more traditional Siberian skills videos , please

  • @bushcraftnorthof6012
    @bushcraftnorthof6012 7 років тому +13

    This was awesome. I love how almost all of your skills directly apply to my environment. I love my axe, but doing things the way you do, I can see how a Silky and a knife are perfect companions. Also learned a few good tricks from the beginning of the video, about things the video is not about! LoL. Thanks, and love the rapid fire of videos while you're off work. Take care.

    • @shanegray1846
      @shanegray1846 4 роки тому

      @faultroy You are correct and i like your thinking there is no question that carpenters saw is a better saw for the reasons outlined. (i might also consider a japanese style pull saw as well )
      A carpenter's saw(or pull saw) is also substantially more bulky than a folding style saw and it is harder to fit in a pack on your back.
      We must weigh the options for the situation everything is compromise.
      A folding saw that is durable might be the best option for someone on the move. But not the best choice for someone at a semi-permanent camp or traveling in a group, that can share equipment loads.

  • @kgbpirates5014
    @kgbpirates5014 7 років тому +15

    I always like your videos before I even finish them bc I Know it's gonna be good

  • @321berber
    @321berber 7 років тому +3

    Great technique, so much more effective than carving a tiny bit of artsy thin feathersticks. Would love to see a video on how you sharpen the Kansbol with its rather special grind.

    • @tjenahoj
      @tjenahoj 7 років тому +2

      I seem to remember he already have a sharpening video on that, he used his wifes soft nail-polish thingies?

  • @toddbell152
    @toddbell152 7 років тому +3

    Always good too learn new ways of doing things you never know when it it will be useful.

  • @tallcedars2310
    @tallcedars2310 7 років тому +4

    Now that's a feather stick! that fine stuff burns out sometimes and one has to start over again, well, at least for me. Already I can see this method will be more effective. It will also warm one up when getting the Ivenke(?) sticks, thanks for passing on!

    • @SurvivalRussia
      @SurvivalRussia  7 років тому +2

      Thank you. It's surely more effective. The Evenki would not have come up with this if it was not :)

    • @tallcedars2310
      @tallcedars2310 7 років тому +1

      Evenki, thank you. I have to agree, it's one tough country Siberians live in and things have to work well all the time or else I bet:)
      The ground pad out of bark is another awesome tip. Since it's time to collect our winter's wood, will be able to give it a try using poplar, cheers!

  • @marcelwachter5551
    @marcelwachter5551 7 років тому +1

    Pure goodness and awesomeness as always Lars! Greetings from Germania.

  • @Norsology
    @Norsology 7 років тому +6

    Fantastisk Lars. Praktisk viden OG kulturhistorie (practical knowledge AND cultural history). This video puts all of the "bushcrafters" on display - "Dear subscriber, You really need this 200 $ flat grind knife (that was send to me) to make as fine feathersticks as I am".

    • @ronnibuck1504
      @ronnibuck1504 7 років тому

      Norsology my new favorite knife is the Mora robust. $15 delivered and it's hard to beat

  • @rossclay3317
    @rossclay3317 7 років тому +2

    Good one Lars! Yup, feather sticks! A different way to make them!
    Awesome, awesomeness!
    Thanks again!
    Ross
    The Santa Fe Man

  • @duaneostrander6613
    @duaneostrander6613 7 років тому +1

    I love your videos i've been hunting and camping my whole life and I learned a few tricks from you so that says a lot about you and your skill

  • @max_fjellstorm
    @max_fjellstorm 5 років тому +1

    Please show more of the native techniques please!!!

  • @samvittoria9692
    @samvittoria9692 7 років тому +11

    Everything you do is WAY COOL !

  • @branni6538
    @branni6538 5 років тому

    What I've learned from experience Lars is that the only thing a metal knife is needed for is making feather sticks. Other than that it's not really needed. Making feather sticks with stone tools is a ball ache but for butchering game etc stone tools are as good if not better than metal knives.

  • @alaskaraftconnection-alask3397
    @alaskaraftconnection-alask3397 7 років тому +1

    Nice video Lars... same way I make alder chips for smoking salmon on river rafting trips. Of course the 'alder' is not as cooperative a fire starter (ignition source woods) like Birch, Willow, Spruce, Cottonwood etc. however it will burn a long time. Also very good selection for processing (cut/split) like little baby logs to about size of charcoal briquette... I toss in dry-bag... waterproofed and floats... efficient, rugged, compact fuel supply for several days of on water travel in a bag. Convenient for bio-fuel stove and kettle use, Dakota fire pit etc. Food for thought--- Biggest Moose for my Alaska Raft Connection services this season on a float hunt so far is 74 3/4" green spread!!! BIG ONE!!! We have been 100% on float hunt success due mostly to location selections, past several winters being mild, and best in class rafting equipment.. Been raining ALOT so swampy conditions grow bigger moose!!! But it is 39F and windy today --- so fall season is about to slip into winter.

  • @norton750cc
    @norton750cc 7 років тому

    Another 3 weeks of wood stacked today, I have that knife always to hand, its awesome, also keep an axe handy for those knots.
    Out to the shotgun range tomorrow, boom chacka boom..

  • @max_fjellstorm
    @max_fjellstorm 7 років тому +4

    Die Techniken funktionieren auch alle mehr oder weniger im Schnee und mt dicken Fäustlingen., das finde ich klasse! Ich würde total gern mehr über die Evenki erfahren. Tolles Video!

    • @iametoh
      @iametoh 7 років тому

      Fjellstorm Bushcraft Doch Stimmt ^^

  •  7 років тому +1

    Very effective! Thanks for the video, Lars.

  • @gregsummers7350
    @gregsummers7350 7 років тому +2

    Great video thank you Lars. Simple 'old school' tricks. Well done, Greg

  • @riccartwright5623
    @riccartwright5623 7 років тому +4

    always a pleasure to watch my friend

  • @user-wo7rp6bc6t
    @user-wo7rp6bc6t 7 років тому +3

    channels blowing up fast. great video

  • @outdoorlegion9939
    @outdoorlegion9939 6 років тому

    Thanks for your time. I have to add one thing to make it easier. Pound the knife into a small stick of wood and use that as a handle instead of holding the blade. It will act more like a drawknife. Keep the vids coming I like seeing your wilderness and you make me laugh a.lot thanks Lars.

  • @kevinharrison6572
    @kevinharrison6572 7 років тому

    Another good job Lars, thanks again! On a side note the only time I feel it necessary to feather or split wood is in wet weather conditions

  • @MrDavidrex
    @MrDavidrex 7 років тому

    Sweet, can't wait till the grandkids see this method. Thanks again.

  • @DavidKralikOutdoors
    @DavidKralikOutdoors 7 років тому

    I am really enjoying your videos. Always something good, interesting, practical, and filled with what was once common sense.

  • @fumasterchu12
    @fumasterchu12 7 років тому

    Another fine video my friend, I'm happy to see you back in the woods these last several videos. You always have good ideas, and the forest looks so nice too. Have a great weekend brother!

  • @jackwagon6873
    @jackwagon6873 7 років тому

    Great channel Lars really have enjoyed watching your adventures. Thanks for the Mora sling idea. I’ve copied you with my kansbol and an old SKS sling. One improvement though I’ve added a pistol mag carrier for possibles supplies! I wish you well and much luck with the Nissan. Cheers!

  • @chaosvolt
    @chaosvolt 7 років тому

    Making a birchbark sheath will be neat to see.

  • @oxxnarrdflame8865
    @oxxnarrdflame8865 7 років тому

    Great video, it's always great to see different techniques. Adapting to your environment is the key to success and the more tools you have the better your chances. If one technique is not working try another. It's interesting on the TV show Alone where North America woodland outdoor folks fail on Vancouver island because they don't have the skill set or mentality to adapt.

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 7 років тому +1

    Thanks Lars

  • @ThePreparedWanderer
    @ThePreparedWanderer 7 років тому

    Its all about wood selection.

  • @OregonMike
    @OregonMike 7 років тому +2

    very nice Lars. Any interesting birch bark tricks from them?

  • @shanesims2864
    @shanesims2864 4 роки тому

    Awesome job !!!!! Thanks for showing me a different way 👍 Thank you for your time and skills 🙏

  • @lalli8152
    @lalli8152 2 роки тому

    I have always made feather sticks that way. I have not used the against the knee method, but as kid saw my father do like that when he made toy bows for me. I know i would eventually burry the knife to my knee haha. Here in finland we call feather sticks "kiehinen", and i didnt know those you made is some special thing, but im not sure how most here make them.

  • @arummelnu
    @arummelnu 7 років тому

    Thank you for showing. I will try this as soon as possible.

  • @VE3FAL1Fred
    @VE3FAL1Fred 7 років тому +1

    Nice video Lars and glad your able to get out, I am trying but the weather is not cooperating, severe thunderstorms, with high winds, hail and heavy rain. See if I cant sneak out for a few hours today (Friday) and at least go for a ride. Have a great weekend my friend and see you later. Cheers
    Fred

  • @ccpperrett7522
    @ccpperrett7522 7 років тому

    I like it, seems to me I could do this with my mittens or glove on in cold weather. That is an awesome method. Thanks for sharing.

  • @williampysell2819
    @williampysell2819 7 років тому

    I am glad that I found your videos on You Tube. The videos are entertaining and educational. Thank you for taking the time and expending the time and energy to make these videos!

  • @andyblack5687
    @andyblack5687 7 років тому +5

    I'm going to try this next time I make a fire. Thanks so much Lars! By the way, how is the name of the tribe you mentioned spelled in Russian - Евенкый? (This would be plural) Thanks!

    • @guga_man
      @guga_man 7 років тому +6

      Эвенки

  • @mostalajnen66
    @mostalajnen66 7 років тому +1

    Great info video ! i meet alot of people who dosent know how to do it right so i will show them this video, me myself have been using that metod as long as i can remember, ofc i use other metods too

  • @GaerHampton
    @GaerHampton 7 років тому

    While it's not a bomb-proof knife, I really like my Mora. That Scandi grind blade really feathers wood well compared to my old Buck knife!

  • @RM-io7qo
    @RM-io7qo 7 років тому

    Fascinating video and I'd dearly like to make a Siberian log fire...Who knows, perhaps one day and with some of these brilliant feather sticks too. Take care...

  • @max_fjellstorm
    @max_fjellstorm 5 років тому +1

    Why cut towards yourself and not away from the body? What’s the advantage?

  • @whateman12408
    @whateman12408 7 років тому +5

    Good info

  • @iametoh
    @iametoh 7 років тому

    What an excellent bit of knowledge. Thank you Lars ^^

  • @mistersmith3986
    @mistersmith3986 7 років тому +1

    333 thumbs up and 0 thumbs down. Lars is King!

  • @KaylynnStrain
    @KaylynnStrain 7 років тому +2

    that is a very cool method

  • @robertszallavarysullivan9570
    @robertszallavarysullivan9570 5 років тому

    Another great video, Lars--as usual. Thank you for posting it.

    • @SurvivalRussia
      @SurvivalRussia  5 років тому

      Thanks Rob!

    • @robertszallavarysullivan9570
      @robertszallavarysullivan9570 5 років тому

      @@SurvivalRussia You're very welcome, Lars. I really enjoy each and all of your videos. I'd enjoy nothing better than being there with you to enjoy the magnificent, beautiful country in which you live. I'm like you: One who appreciates living in a rural area surrounded by nature, In my opinion, the Russian Federation has some of the most wonderful places on earth in which to enjoy nature, and live as you do.

  • @jelkel25
    @jelkel25 7 років тому +1

    The only Mora I've stuck with is the 2000 which has almost the same blade as your Kansbol. I'm not getting a Kansbol just because it has a new handle and sheath, I have a blade I like and it is far tougher than you would think from the thickness. I will try this method with my old fashioned looking knife!!

    • @SurvivalRussia
      @SurvivalRussia  7 років тому

      The Multi-Mount is awesome.

    • @jelkel25
      @jelkel25 7 років тому

      If I thought it wouldn't misshape and the blade start slipping out after 2ish years like most Mora's I'd buy it.

  • @wpgeeth
    @wpgeeth 7 років тому

    you are awesome man. bloody good tips and hacks you give us. keep rocking man.

  • @kristynchuckhenderson3158
    @kristynchuckhenderson3158 7 років тому +3

    A marshmellow short of perfect!!

  • @Shooter11B
    @Shooter11B 7 років тому

    You keep teasing us with your special secret knife Lars, LOL.

  • @motoraxedaddy
    @motoraxedaddy 7 років тому

    Lars have you ever heard of anyone using a stick to pull with to keep your hand off the blade tip?

  • @sosteve9113
    @sosteve9113 7 років тому +2

    a different approach,but still works
    maybe in a situation it is good to know different techniques

    • @SurvivalRussia
      @SurvivalRussia  7 років тому

      This surely works well Steve. Have a great weekend buddy!

  • @mattiash.8910
    @mattiash.8910 7 років тому

    I love the Evinki! It is alway good to think of of the box, avoid dogma's and be dynamic and think beyond. I never carry heavy big knives. I like them very sharp though! Do you know the Belgian handmade Wetstones Ardennes Coticule? family owned business. They work by means of Mineral Garnets (like diamonds) and Vulcanic substrate. The Romans also knew them. I like your Russian camo so much!! I think the German Flecktarn is too dark. Too much black and very dark green. This is perfect. Big virtual hug!!

  • @ebony5766
    @ebony5766 7 років тому

    ALWAYS GREAT videos! THANKS fOR YOUR HARD work!!!!

  • @sksupply
    @sksupply 7 років тому +28

    Wow my Mora is going to tell me, "Why haven't you been doing this all along?"

    • @SurvivalRussia
      @SurvivalRussia  7 років тому +2

      Most likely. Mora's are good for this.

    • @justicar5
      @justicar5 7 років тому +1

      wow, I got a Skrama from our favourite Finnish store, it's SO GOOD AT THIS. The fine bit near the handle, not the cleaving bit, this is genius

    • @Atkrdu
      @Atkrdu 7 років тому +1

      What is that knife you have stabbed into the log? It looks very functional. If it has that corner on the back of the blade for skinning & butchering, that would be excellent.

    • @cyberserk5614
      @cyberserk5614 7 років тому +1

      I have a large collection of knives, including a Mora and a big Bowie knife. But obviously the Scandinavians and the Siberian folks, instead of caring around a big Bowie, know when to switch from knife to using an axe and back ;)

    • @jeddy_bravo
      @jeddy_bravo 5 років тому

      @@Atkrdu that's a mora kansbol

  • @jeffreyarnold2626
    @jeffreyarnold2626 7 років тому

    Lars it always makes me go play my Deftones cd's when you're done. love your intro song. every time i see those boots i want some, or i should ask first if i can get those shipped to the u.s. ? you could send a link maybe? i found a mongolian version but fur lined, may get a bit warm here in the Pacific NW area. and those feather stick are so much easier than how i been doing it thank you for the wake up. i'll do it this way now. pile some on top of a piece of charcloth, we got fire.

  • @throatnotchingtroutzzz6789
    @throatnotchingtroutzzz6789 7 років тому

    Very easy, cool video. :o) Mora knives are not so bad after all, one just have to know their strong and weak points.

  • @huntarama9375
    @huntarama9375 7 років тому

    so lars at the 8 minute mark did you light the feather sticks just with a fire steel. Last week end I tried to light my mini wood stove with life boat matches and cotton wool and failed miserably. I was in a rain forest but still looks like the mini stove will be another toy that gets left in the toy box.

  • @jamesarends894
    @jamesarends894 7 років тому +1

    Great video im going to try this today

  • @stefanr00
    @stefanr00 5 років тому

    Awesome! Ill surely try this!

  • @silviodante7843
    @silviodante7843 7 років тому

    Yes this knee technique is very dangerous when making feather sticks. I did cut my knee cap once with a big ass draw knife because i was to lazy to go and find myself big log so instead i did something stupid. I'm just glad i was wearing thick pants and my draw knife wasn't sharp enough but it still made nasty wound. That stop and the end of the log might save you if you are using small knife but anything bigger and heavier will slice that stop easily.

  • @rasbhangi
    @rasbhangi 6 років тому

    If I could write I would think of writing a book about all the stuff Lars has taught me. But I can't write, lol.

  • @Pakkerotten
    @Pakkerotten 3 роки тому

    hej Lars god jul og godt nytår håber du og familien har det godt og er sunde og raske, måtte lige gense nogle af dine basis videoer

  • @cmargheimable
    @cmargheimable 5 років тому

    Excellent!

  • @ANACONDALR
    @ANACONDALR 7 років тому +1

    veri good video

  • @redlock4004
    @redlock4004 7 років тому

    I think I found out why you changed your intro music. I stumbled onto your old music on a video by one of those fake survival experts (?). I would have changed the music too!

  • @TheVictory56
    @TheVictory56 5 років тому

    what type of Farrell rod stick is that - how do you make it

  • @jeddy_bravo
    @jeddy_bravo 5 років тому

    What's the strap thingy? I'm aware it's for your knife but like what is it?

  • @glbwoodsbum2567
    @glbwoodsbum2567 5 років тому

    You dont need to cut towards yourself to make shavings like this. Just in case some people are worried about cutting in this particular method.

  • @aksalaman4689
    @aksalaman4689 7 років тому

    When will the new puppy start going with you? Sure miss Deputy Dog!

  • @eltenda
    @eltenda 7 років тому

    great video as usual my friend

  • @david21686
    @david21686 7 років тому

    I'm a suburban dude who only dreams of going out into the wilderness and doing bushcraft. I have a hypothesis that I want you to test.
    Sawdust. Can you use sawdust as tinder in the wild? Instead of making feathersticks with a knife, could you just collect sawdust with a saw and use that as tinder? What if you just took a large stick or log, and used a handsaw to cut it into small pieces while collecting the sawdust? Could you start a fire like that?
    And what about using sawdust with a friction fire? Sawdust must increase friction, right? It's like the opposite of a lubricant, right? Could you try to make a bowdrill or a handdrill friction fire where you sprinkle different amounts of sawdust into the hole where the spindle goes? Would that make the friction fire easier?

    • @thebiggestpanda1
      @thebiggestpanda1 5 років тому

      david21686 collecting sawdust in the bush is kind of a pain unless you bring it with you. It’s even harder if there’s any kind of wind. But hey, they best way to find out is to go outside and try it.

  • @Toad_Hugger
    @Toad_Hugger 7 років тому

    Awesome video as always Lars!
    I've also found that those boots are great for walking on logs! Really grippy.
    These Siberians are pretty neat! How do you spell their name?

    • @SurvivalRussia
      @SurvivalRussia  7 років тому +1

      Thanks Fish :) They are called Evenki in English.

    • @Toad_Hugger
      @Toad_Hugger 7 років тому

      Survival Russia
      Ok, nice!

  • @Baneironhand
    @Baneironhand 7 років тому

    I now can tell all the people who laugh at me for carrying a big knife .It makes a better drawknife. Longer handle to grab with weak hand and a thicker spine is easier on the fingers when pulling. I'm still gonna whack it with a stick occasionally though. :)
    Seriouslymuch better compared to what I tried as feathersticks and very shortly gave up on as a waste of time. This method actually seems useful for getting a lot of dry twig size stuff when it's been raining for three days and the natural twigs are wet.

  • @fredthorne9692
    @fredthorne9692 7 років тому +4

    Until watching your channel, I had no idea that there was an indigenous ethnic group known as Evenk. I had assumed the Native population were similar to the New World's Innuit or Eskimo groups. (I guess an Iron age equivalent of an Indo-Mongolian anthropological conglomerate - I fell asleep during that lecture) Now I must go and find out about these amazing people. My ignorance is shameful.

    • @maritimespook
      @maritimespook 7 років тому +1

      Fred Thorne check out Ray Mears "World of Survival" Siberia .here on UA-cam... he stays with them and shows there bushcraft skill

    • @fredthorne9692
      @fredthorne9692 7 років тому

      maritimespook -Thanks Captain. I'm gonna check it out today. 👍

    • @maritimespook
      @maritimespook 7 років тому

      Fred Thorne ua-cam.com/video/88QosNCLbBA/v-deo.html

    • @maritimespook
      @maritimespook 7 років тому

      Fred Thorne i just sent u the link below my friend !

    • @fredthorne9692
      @fredthorne9692 7 років тому

      maritimespook - Thank you again! 👍👍

  • @ognejar6267
    @ognejar6267 7 років тому

    Эвенкийская стружка))

  • @Eric-ig9oe
    @Eric-ig9oe 7 років тому +1

    Hello Lars, may I ask what's your Job now is, please ?

  • @MuRdABoY2o9
    @MuRdABoY2o9 7 років тому

    AWESOME

  • @timhell8420
    @timhell8420 7 років тому +4

    We need more Bacon!

  • @tdrnkr
    @tdrnkr 7 років тому

    How do the Ivenki start a fire? I'll be a Kroner they don't use ferro rods.

    • @SurvivalRussia
      @SurvivalRussia  7 років тому +1

      I'm not sure how they did it back in the days. Now I will think they use matches/lighters :) I will try and research that!

  • @Molotforsa
    @Molotforsa 7 років тому

    👍🏻

  • @cgirl111
    @cgirl111 7 років тому

    Here is the wiki entry on the people he often refers to - the Evenks:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evenks

  • @logicaredux5205
    @logicaredux5205 7 років тому

    Are the Evenki cousins of the Eskimo?

  • @ultradarkforce5537
    @ultradarkforce5537 6 років тому

    Do you have black legged ticks and Lyme disease in your forests?

  • @johnlord8337
    @johnlord8337 7 років тому

    Siberian Feathersticks ... otherwise known as midget/troll skis .... little green men Martian skis .... DDDDD
    Time to just get a two-handled drawshave and safely make the same skis.

  • @patriceb26
    @patriceb26 6 років тому

    Bonjour gorka suit is it a good and strong clothes ?

  • @mushercdn
    @mushercdn 7 років тому

    Russian LL Bean boots! But this comment isn't about that. Do you make moose calls out of birchbark? But this comment isn't about that. Reality show bushcraft! But this comment isn't about that. This comment is to thank you renewing my faith in real bush skills. Thanks!

  • @Pakkerotten
    @Pakkerotten 7 років тому

    "bushcraft" du sagde det forbudte ord HA HA god video Lars

  • @ariyehzoe
    @ariyehzoe 6 років тому

    did it

  • @zindi1138
    @zindi1138 7 років тому

    day do do dat dont dont day

  • @robertmorgan54
    @robertmorgan54 5 років тому

    I would never pull the knife to my knee cap like that , there is an old saying , Even monkeys fall out of trees. It's a dangerous method.

  • @ivanhita4726
    @ivanhita4726 7 років тому

    What this video is not about! Should have been the title lol