I cried my way through Dunyarzad's story and cursed Hoyo for "killing" her, just to find out she survived somehow... I felt like someone said "It's just a prank bro" after.
Same It was so bad that I didn't care when two other NPCs died in the new quest because I was expecting them to be revived at the end of the quest like Dunyazard, and when they weren't I felt robbed of a nice tragedy.
@@salceds How could I cry or even feel sad over them when I fully expected the story to pull a deus ex machina and revive them any moment, like with Dunyarzad
So you're telling me you were expecting a deus-ex-machina moment in a story based off of that one time a literal God was involved personally? You're just being cynical with no clear purpose or goal. @@ancalyme
As much as I love Inazuma, it was indeed a letdown with how much potential it has as a story. A closed-off country with an ongoing civil war against its own god is such a great plot point. We could only hope that Natlan, which was mentioned to be engulfed in wars, could be what Sumeru was in my mind. Not to mention that a Fatui Harbinger is hinted to be involved in it too. Now I'm excited on your take on Fontaine now since it is by far the best one we have.
Exactly! I think an issue might be with timing. Inazuma is the type of story that they really needed to spend more time on, but because of their release cycles they decided to rush it. They also made sure to dodge a lot of the clearly darker aspects that they could have focused on. Still weird to me that, to this day, we've never gotten a Kazuha and Ei scene or an Ei and Kokomi scene where she takes responsibility. It's odd. Lol
@@StrayMaverick And the start is horrible like you said.I don't know if it's better but I always thought how would it be if our journey to Inazuma started with smuggling ourselves into Beiodu's ship only to find out that they will be coming to Inazuma as reinforcements for the resistance forces or at least help Kazuha be there as reinforcement. And we get thrown right in the middle of chaos on that one awesome cutscene of the battle with Sara. Then maybe we get to the swordfish arc and with that motivation, we investigate and go to the capital. Meet Thoma and Yoimiya just like how we did and see firsthand how the Raiden shogun takes away visions and move on with the story from there.
ccp guidelines fucked with inazuma's storyline heavily. china's gaming association has an internal memo on this; a lot of tight restrictions on depictions of historical japan, depictions of japanese eras of war and historical japanese figures/warlords. the genshin team joined ccp a week before inazuma's release. it seems pretty obvious that the writers had to alter/redact a lot of their original plans for inazuma, resulting in weird pacing and shallow character development. it seems people played through inazuma, called it bad and never looked back, but as someone who went back to the archon quest it... wasn't really that awful. they had a lot of great concepts that can be appreciated irregardless of the pacing, and as much as i hate exploring the foggy island or enka, those places offer us some wonderfully in-depth mythos surrounding inazuma.
@@StrayMaverickthe closest thing we get is Kazuha basically forgiving her in his voice line, so we probably never will get a Kazuha, Raiden Ei apology interaction.
@@6235riveralso, Inazuma has a strong theme imo, which can’t be said about mondstat and liyue imo. Even if it’s a little undercut and also still blemished by how the quest is kind of all over the place, imo the first half of inazuma is good and the ending is good too. But like the second half stuff is just… strange
Ok but about the dottore thing... Zandik, his real identity, has always been evil. He killed a girl he went to school with (and possibly ate her???) And blamed it on some wild animals. He was also always into really unethical experiments
idk man collei's arc isnt an arc its the happy end she needed from the manga, shes's there for the manga people to go "THANK GOD SHE GETS A HAPPY ENDING"
Is Childe's Betrayal really a point? Iirc no one was surprised about Childe in game at all, even the Traveler immediately guessed Childe was the culprit going for the Exuvia before the fight. Plus, the fact he was a Harbinger was said straight it's just he wasn't antagonistic like Signora until the end. Or was that the disappointment and I'm misreading?
Yeah, that was the disappointment. The game makes the Traveler clearly distrust Childe, only to make Childe the enemy supposedly behind the scenes. To me, it was a weird choice to make. If Childe is using us, at least have our Protagonist get close to him instead of always being like "yeah, but like... I know you're trying to trick me." Lol
It's for the UA-camrs I've seen tentatively beginning to trust Tartaglia only for him to "slap" them in the face with his Golden House appearance and fight.
5. I remember Childe's betrayal being blindly obvious, so much so I just didn't see the problem as I was waiting for the betrayal to happen the whole time. Another point, Zhongli being the archon was also blindingly obvious (it is still fun seeing people being surprised), though him giving away his gnosis was the real plot twist for me, imo. 3. That version of Dottore being the "good one" that is left? What gave you that idea??? Every single one of them are complicit to each other's plans (as we saw with the operation to get Haypasia), there was literally the murder of Katsuragi, the destruction of Tatarasuna, and the manipulation of Scaramouche. Dottore also calls himself the "most selfish" version among the clones. Like yeah, it was a shame they dropped the old clones, but he literally said that he will find new methods to "look through the dimension of time" in the future. 1. Nahida being the ultimate power fantasy character??? She is an archon, after all. Not strong enough to fight any of the harbringers alone, but she is still an archon. Her peoples lack of faith hampered her powers, yes, but her insecurities and self-loathing held her back more than anyone else could've had. It was the Sumeru crew's willingness to save her, and her interactions with tabibito, that broke her out of her cage, both physically, and mentally. Back on Dunyarzad, I guess I'm just not a "death completes a person" kinda dude. Her finally interacting with Nahida, that Nahida was ultimately able to save Dunyarzad from the curse through her own grief, the writing ended up being beautiful in another way.
I almost completely agree with you on points four and two. The others, not so much. First of all, I think you completely misunderstood Il Dottore, his role, and the reason he deleted his clones. One thing you seemed to misunderstand was that his different clones would have different personalities. From what Dottore explains however, it's all the same Dottore, but at different ages. And the Dottore in Sumeru CLEARLY states that he is the most selfish out of all his clones. You also have to remember that he was already evil before making his clones. The notes from Zandik reveal to us that he murdered the girl that fell in love with him. This is something that all "clones" share, as they are not clones in the traditional sense with all having unique memories. They all have shared memories. I highly doubt they will redeem Dottore. Redeeming him is also redundant, because none of the players, especially in China are gonna disconnect a redeemed Dottore from the Dottore in the manga where he experiments on kidnapped children. Lastly the reason why he deleted his clones for story purposes is actually to make him look even MORE insane. It's to show how little he cares for lives, even his own life and how he is willing to throw away decades of work and experience just to get what he wants. And as a final note I wanted to mention that it is hinted at that he can still make new clones. It just takes immense amounts of resources. So in short, his actions in Sumeru didn't throw away his evilness, it made him way more evil and insane. I also disagree on your point with Tartaglia, but not as much, because that might just be a difference in perspective. I personally don't mind the twist at the end as much because it's barely a twist. Tartaglia was never ment to be seen as a good harbinger, not even at the beginning. It was continuously hinted at throughout the AQ and the traveler is also suspicious of him the entire time. The traveler and Paimon are also not surprised at all when he turns out to be 'evil'. His role wasn't twist villain. Instead it was to showcase how different fatui go to work. His friendliness towards the traveler was never fake. He genuinely wants to be a nice dude, but he also does his all to serve the Tsaritsa. Last point: So I kinda agree with the Dunyarzad thing, but I don't think it made it THAT much worse that she was still alive. Like, her being alive isn't necessarily bad story telling, but it could've definitely been better. I really just don't get your Nahida point... Like power fantasy? She felt like and was by far the weakest archon. Like she is completely powerless. Both literal and mentally at first. She is both physically isolated and locked up, but also psychologically isolated. In the story, when she finally sees her own desire for freedom and gains resolve, she also gains literal power, although a tiny bit. Even then she is completely reliant on the traveler, unlike Zhongli, Venti or Focalors and Furina. At the end as well, Dottore literally says: "I'm sure you're very aware of the difference in power between us." Nahida is weak and psychology broken. And thematically that makes the most sense for her character. The only thing she can do to survive is giving hope to people like Dunyarzad, making sure there are still people that believe in her. When she meets the traveler it's not strange that she takes her chance to try and convince them to fight the Akademiya for her peoples sake. Her own wellbeing is an afterthought. Only AFTER they start to have successes, Nahida realises that she too, deserves to be treated better and gains resolve and thus power.
I also have a theory on why Dottore didn't just take the Gnosis by force and instead decided to trade it. Some people might be asking: He is evil and has no limits, so why wouldn't he take it by force? My answer would be because of his pride. Dottore takes extreme pride in his intelligence. He wants to show of his intelligence to the god of wisdom. If he would resort to violence, it would mean admitting that he can't argue up against the dendro archon. When Nahida proposes to destroy the Gnosis, she still technically wins the argument. Dottore in his pride has to accept her conditions. Then for the dendro gnosis he opts for telling Nahida something even the god of wisdom doesn't know, hoping to still get the last laugh.
I think the point about the doctor is that it’s missed potential for him to not interact with himself, why have clones if we never really see them. Yes what they did instead is also a choice that has implications, but the current one is that it explains how Dottore will have lore of being super horrible but the one that exists technically didn’t do it because he magically erased the guy who did. As for the Nahida point, we’re really told more than shown that Nahida is powerless, in the Samsara she still has to get a grasp on the situation but she’s the character with the strongest grasp on the situation by far, and then she uses her powers to read minds and control people willy nilly up until she’s captured and mentally contained, and then when she’s freed, she uses her ridiculous powers to defeat every obstacle in her way, she barely feels powerless in her quest, we never see her abilities fail to save someone she tried to save, or fail to accomplish something she tried to accomplish she just technically spends time imprisoned. If her arc was supposed to be about finding strength through knowledge, then she never needed to find that strength, because she always had all the knowledge (and crazy abilities) she needed to accomplish everything she tried.
The manga's Dottore and the in-game Dottore act very differently imo. It's untrue that the different Dottores don't have different personalities. I was very disappointed personally with how in-game Dottore was presented versus what I had been looking forward to from the manga... But that's my thing. Still though, it's not true to say that "All the Dottores are the same"
@@Mr.Nullbody_ I didn't say they don't have different personalities. What I said is that they all are based on the same base: Zandik. What Zandik did is a memory carried by ALL Dottore's
@samkeiser9776I think Nahida's powerlessness is more of a depreciation from the sages and herself. She's still a god, just failing to live up to her predecessor. Her main struggle lies in her inability to save her people from Eleazar and stop the sages from opressing the people (which she blames her own weakness instead of the sages), but she's always shown to have great mental powers as seen in how she conforted the sick children and mad researchers, even saving Aaru village from sandstorms all while being physically confined. She's far weaker than Zhongli, Raiden, Rukhadevatta and presumably the enigma known as Venti but she has her own godly abilities. Her power at the end of the chapter comes from her stop blaming herself and fighting for herself and her people. Even then, she can only perform mental manipulations and rely on Traveler to do the actual fighting
Correct me if im wrong but isnt the segment of dottore who is alive the most evil one . He himself states hes the most selfish and that the other segments wouldn't go through with erasing all the segments.
5:28 I mean he did say that he can and will make more clones, so I think it was more a set up for future so they didn’t have to deal with it until much later in the story
We'll definitely have to see. Odd choice tho that they already had the clones there, and then they erase them, only to bring them back. I think if they ever try to bring them back, we'll stop Dottore before that even happens.
@@StrayMavericki think they did it just to show he can do something like that both from an exposition perspective and his character perspective. Unless his cloning machine malfunctions in future, so we can get a "good version" Dottore out of the box to play with
Personally I am inclined to believe that dottore's erasure situation was rather meant as a setup for a "show dont tell" kind of payoff to his evil once we meet some segments he did not delete and honestly I prefer to believe that headcanon until at the very least im proven wrong lol
@@georgidimitrov836 not really nahida goal was to slow down his operation him having no more clone mean it take time to do a lot of thing that his clone could have done
I was originally going to comment something like “Childe’s reveal as an antagonist could’ve worked if he hadn’t told the Traveler he’s part of the Fatui and it was revealed to us later on as a twist” But then I remembered they literally did that with Scaramouche in the Unreconciled Stars event soooooooooo :/
@@StrayMaverickMaybe, but Zandik himself also tortured and murdered people. And it's also unknown which Dottore is the one to torture Abbas. I really recommend the video "Genshin Impact is a horror game" by . It's an interesting video, not to be taken too seriously but it does talk about one of the horrors Dottore committed. It might even be the original, before he even had clones, meaning all the other Dottores also did this because they would share this memory.
The concept of a civil war against an archon seemed fascinating to me. The first part of Inazuma actually worked really well for me, it had the oppressive atmosphere and the conflict was set up... And then nothing interesting happened. And Raiden Shogun was not held responsible for her misdeeds in any way, shape or form. This, to me, is the most disappointing thing. They could have written a fascinating, transgressive story... and instead we got a wet, dirty blanket.
Wait, Childe being antagonistic was supposed to be a twist? Are you sure?? They literally show the Travellor and Paimon refusing to trust him even when things were at their most peaceful thanks to his help, why would Hoyo have included that when theyre usually so hand-holdy with what they want you to think and feel about basic story beats? Maybe im crazy but i genuinely thought that the point of the way things went with him was to shake up the immediate impression of the Fatui we got from Signora before it settled in too much by not being exactly what we expect in either direction. He openly acknowledges hes kind of a bad guy in our first meeting after all, and says during the betrayal that its our own fault if we didnt see this coming, but then he genuinely considers us a friend after the boss fight because thats how his mind works, and even being reminded that we cant actually trust him during the quest doesnt stop the interactions with him coming across as pleasant that feels more certainly genuine after hes still that weird kind of affable after a temper-fuelled boss fight of all things. He specifically didnt feel like a friend unexpectedly betraying us OR an enemy from the start, but some secret third thing meant to be digging up the freshly laid roots of "all Fatui pure evil, kill on sight" without letting us even start to think that shes the exception and not the rule. They ARE bad guys, but not as moustache-twirlingly simple as one probably assumed after Signora's entrance
I think they did but i think some Dottores were just ready to disconnect and save themselfs before they died hence that how we are gonna get playable dottore
I disagree about permit in inazuma being bad. It reinforced how isolated this country is and more importantly, how upper class is opportunistically stealing from foreigners. It does go down afterward, though.
Dottore said he can just make more clones, so what you said about what we could’ve had with Dottore may still be possible. But, it also confuses me as to why they would erase all the segments and then just make more later. Like, why not just keep the ones that were already there.
Came in thinking you were gonna explain how badly they handled Childe in the final act but got genshins worst writing a tier list so here are my opinions feel free to ignore because it is long and probably wrong No. 5, was it really a betrayal when we saw it coming the moment he outed himself as a fatui harbinger? No. 4 Yeah Collei has been through a lot but what does Collei confronting or even thinking about Dottore accomplish actually? Collei is about doing what you can in the moment instead of stewing in the past. She's living her best life with anxiety being her greatest hurdle, she's moving on from her past. Making Collei confront or talk about Dottore is like constantly touching her when she keeps saying to stop, your not helping her and it doesn't develop her. Collei is there to represent the people Dottore fucked over and she doesn't need to go on some pointless revenge plot. No. 3 We are literally left with the most problematic version of Dottore there is and I see him deleting his clones as an absolute win because he's not gonna get uwufied to become playable via 'misunderstood' segment BS. No. 2 Inazuma Act 1 and first half of 2 are fine and decent at best while act 2 second half and act 3 is hot garbage ESPECIALLY THE SWORDFISH II arc oh LORD THEY MISSED SO HARD. The fanfic in my head is better than what actually happened. No 1. I hard disagreed like I love Dunyarzad, I love the fact that she's alive. Your right that her death would have been fairly meaningful but Nahida getting a victory when she had a score of zero for the last 500 years is just as meaningful. Nahida was already at rock bottom when she was attempting to save Dunyarzad so I see her succeeding as a confidence boost when she had very little from centuries of being uncared for by the majority of her own people. Also your exaggerating when you say that the story made it seem like Nahida is a god that can do anything when again she was physically trapped in the Sanctuary of Surasthana for 500 years and needed outsiders to bust her out and couldn't prevent Rukkhadevata from deleting herself much less remember her. She gives the illusion that she can do anything through her dream abilities but once she's in the outside world she is rather vaunerable if it wasn't for her wit and fast learning abilities. Also unpopular opinion, I thought Maquerade of the Guilty was fine. Writing is good, a bit too much exposition to the point that my emotional investment was a 10 out of 100 at that point so I didn't shed a tear like I did when I first played Sumeru which is how I based my enjoyment of the story quests. I just stopped caring about the fontaine cast in act 3. Surprised you didn't complain about Fontaine act 3 because it was like the samsara loop but poorly written. It was such a terrible follow up from highs that was act 1 and 2. The investigation was such a drag and the pay off unsatisfying.
Hey, thank you for the extensive comment! I'll try and respond to each point as well as I can. 5. Exactly. My point isn't so much that he's not introduced as a Harbinger, but it's that the story plays the reveal at the end that he's evil as a twist. 4. Collei doesn't develop in Sumeru tho. She's static. It's a very weird writing decision to introduce a character who is deeply connected to a main antagonist in an arc, only to have that main antagonist show up and NOT have an interaction with her. Having a confrontation with him would show how much she's changed since their first meeting. Not having a confrontation also means Collei is just... dropped. Like she's straight up forgotten about for the rest of the arc which begs the question; why is she here to begin with? Especially when other characters like Dunyarzad re-explain things like Eleazar. 3. The version if Dottore that tortured Collei was erased. I'm hard pressed to think that any other version is more monstrous than that. And if the segments essentially get erased as soon as they're introduced then... like... why do they exist? It's very clear they exist so the writers could make Dottore redeemable after what was written in the manga. So they decided to delete the character that did that to Collei while pretending that they still have the character. To me it's a cowardly and weird writing choice, when there's a ton you can do with the idea, regardless of whether you use it for a redemption arc. 2. We definitely agree on Inazuma. Lol 1. The issue with the idea that Nahida hasn't had a victory in 500 years is that, well, we didn't see that. We're told about it. The first time we meet Nahida is when she makes this big win. Which is why I say it's an odd choice, and goes counter to her arc of feeling worthless. She's able to accomplish everything she wants, basically. When I say she can "do anything" what I mean is that she has the power to accomplish any task. Again, we don't really see Nahida trapped that much in the arc. She's going all over the place, taking control of people's bodies, saving souls, etc. I agree that the stuff about Rukkhadevata hits, and that's why I don't think Nahida is completely worthless as a character, but it's extremely odd to me to start and arc off with Nahida winning when the arc is about her being unsure of herself. And Fontaine is a LOT. I definitely need to release a video talking about it all soon, but it's definitely too much to chat about here. Lol. Again, thank you for the comment! And I hope you still enjoyed the video regardless of our disagreements. Lol
@@StrayMaverick3. I feel like the point was to make him unredeemable like idk if this is unpopular opinion but his introduction was amazing to me and basically showed how cruel the fatui are willing to go for their goal and getting rid of dottore clones makes him more distinguishable as THIS is him and your point about the one dottore that hurt Colleii (in manga is completely different from the build of dottore we see in game) may be gone but i feel to the game and characters see dottore and his clones as a person who in general is unredeemable and it worked for me and gave me no expectation of him being playable at least the one we know basically A. Plot point was good at establishing how cruel and conniving he is that he is so confident in himself that one dottore is enough to make more and other people and even his other selves are disposable. B. Not that great for a potential playable character. 1. Yeah nahida needed a scene like Furina’s where her suffering is displayed but I feel like honestly when we rescue her and seeing her inner world and her monologue feel tangible even if there should be more the whole scene with the mental wall stopping us from rescuing her and her inner thoughts that she probably had heard for centuries and how everything was quite even if doesn’t show the extent makes you atleast understand her pain even if it could be improved but like what are they gonna do show a scene where she floats in a green orb all day XD
Hard agree on 5, like screw that cliche of the npc character dying to make the protaganist stronger mentally bs, thats why ppl hated the teppei death, its so forced
I know it falls under "all of Inazuma" but I keep thinking how easily fixable Raiden issue is to me; line from one of her story quests actually inspired me that she's a save-able character. There was a bit about dango milk and the vender being scared that Ei will be angry about the novelty of it, but then she asks if he thinks that her idea of eternity is so frail that existance of dango milk can endanger it. I really liked it. Why couldn't we have had a story about this corrupted puppet manipulated by the fatui because of her old ways due to her old, old settings when Ei yeeted into her mind room. Story could be almost exactly the same, just focused on getting rid of the puppet, luring real Ei ouf of her realm and make her rule again (while taking over the puppet's body, since she doesn't have her own). Face what her years of inactivity caused, take responsibility and actively work towards bettering of Inazuma that she had let down. If we could have that Ei who really believes in eternity, and not a puppet who wants to eradicate any and every change, I wouldnt hate her so much, but this whole deal really makes me never wanting to pull for her.
One of my biggest issues with Inazuma except it being rushed is how so many intriguing plot points were practically wasted and had no clear resolve. There was so much potential for the entire Inazuma Arc to be one of the bests if not *the* best Arc in the entire game if they only tweaked out some parts and allowed it to fully grow.
Honestly I've never been a fan of character drama when it works it can be great but most of the time it's needless People still make the argument that Scaramouche becoming Wanderer ruined a potential conflict with Ei but there relationship works better from afar I don't think the story needs Ei clearing up the misunderstanding just like Collie coming to terms works better then traumatizing her for the sake of "development" I kind of hate that most Fandoms have this senseless need to drag characters through some arc so we feel more compelled Hoyoverse loves killing of NPC's already and after enough World Quest I'm glad they kept Dunyazard Alive Just like Inazuma to me isn't as horrible as people say because the environmental story telling as you traverse is good. if anything the only issue for me is after doing the quest reading the notes and speaking to NPC's is that we didn't kill Raiden It's frustrating because for a lot of the characters were meet there already post development so of course in 2.8 Xiyan laughs at people mocking her. Of course Nilous quest is about someone going through similar struggles But fans want "Darker" moments and I can say as much as Honkai fans prop up how sad that game is a lot of the work is post Death. Himeko is tragic because the games spent ALOT of time AFTER her death to contextualiaze and flesh out her character but outside spectacle her death has zero weight(I assume Tingyum is going to get similar treatment) TLDR I like these choices the writers made I know anime has trained us to seek out bleak stories and for everything to be narratively cohesive but I think you lose something when every character goes through a Sasuke clan Massacre Also justice for Dori I'll take her being a money grubby gremlin over hot Waifu aby day and for the Kaveh lovers ... he put himself into debt Dori didn't want to finish the project he insisted
Regarding HI3 my sentiments exactly. Himeko's death is considered as the peak tragedy when before that chapter was there really that much given to her character to care for? It's more we feel for Kiana who has to deal with the guilt and depression over the event after feeling responsible for the longest time.
The Raiden thing is legitimately weird? Also, fuck Dori, play Kaveh's hangout, even if she didn't place him into debt, she wanted to scam him into doing free labor.
I don't know what exactly you mean with 'environmental story telling', but, yeah, maybe it needs more differentiation. I personally loved the tsurumi island world quest, and tsurumi is definitely my favorite place in Genshin. But before 3.0 the story telling of world quests has been way better and was more interesting than the story telling of each Archon quest, with Inazumas Archon quest being in my opinion the worst.
@@yume372 So Environment Story Telling is what the setting conveys without being explicitly said. So Monstade is very small with everything being compact and within reach. People would say Monstade has a Homely presence. It's nostalgic and comfy. Inazuma in contrast is harsh and unwelcoming separated by an archipelago and Thunder Storm that aim at you as you travel Dragon Spine get flack but it's memorable simple because at some point every player has experience there character dying from the cold. The moment you scream "Oh Shit" as you desperately try to find a Seele or Fire World Quest are interesting they kind of show how because Characters are products they do impact how the "Main Story" is told if you play enough World Quest you'll notice how NPC characters are allowed to experience drastic changes. Death is frequent and the cruelty and reality of the setting is alway made apparent. Genshin being a live service helps a lot it allows for the kind of feed back that basically propels the next story. It's a double edge sword but Natlan being the Nation of War will test how far the writers are willing to go
@@salceds So when it comes to Raiden as you travel you'll meet NPC's and read notes that give context to the war going on in Inazuma the casualties and famine happening to the people. Especially in Watasumi Yae and Kokomi look playful when they interact in Events but Ei royal screwed over her entire country with the decree and there's still a lot of tension So the conclusion that felt appropriate was to kill Raiden and have the Commissions Govern Inazuma... which is why at the time I was a bit disappointed As For Dori she made Kaveh do that labor for free and basically ensured some profit for herself but Kaveh wasn't going to be able to build that Libary without her Help If it's between not having the Libary (Which remember the Academia literally limited Knowledge leading to the most of people of the Desert being Illiterate ) or no Libary I feel like Kaveh would have offered anyway it's just in his character to help others even if he puts himself into more debt.
can you do a video explaining the converse? everyone keeps raving about the fontaine archon quest, but i was bored out of my mind the entire time. i just really want to understand what I'm clearly missing.
I broadly agree with your Dunyarzad point, what a huge tonal whiplash that was. The writers really are allergic to there being any kind of long-lasting negative consequences for any of their characters. I think you're kind of missing the point about Nahida's power. Yes, her broken powerset would likely allow her to depose Azar and his cronies by herself, or run the entire nation through mind-control alone if she wanted to, just as a couple of examples. But Nahida's arc was all about overcoming mental barriers and insecurities that were holding her back from leveraging that power in meaningful ways. Pre-AQ Nahida is a person trapped in their own head by feelings of inadequacy and uncertainty about which direction she should lead her nation in, or even if she deserves to lead the nation at all. She takes the easy way out and leaves that job to those that she feels are more qualified - and the very organisation which instilled those feelings in her in the first place - the Akademiya. By the end of the AQ Nahida has the self-belief (and support from friends who also believe in her) to use her power without any fear of the consequences.
can't forget dotorres manipulation of Wanderer ne' scaramouche was even erased , by Wanderer himself, now he's just emo without reason lol my biggest miss in the entire story is the Fatui as a whole. Just running all over all of creation committing war crimes and shit, yet there still fucking everywhere and tolerated .... like , wtf. but yeah Inazuma as a whole the puppet shogun practically tortures all of Inazuma then the fight with Raiden happens and you get "oh she realized it was wrong and is sorry , we're all friends now" like ...... I'm sure kuzuha wasn't the only one to lose someone dear to them via vision theft and the war. It's all good now tho. granted it wouldn't have been easy to handle any other way but that's on them for attempting to make it such a heavy story, while still wanted everyone to love Raiden
If you ever did a video about Fontaine archon quest , here's my thoughts about it and some plot points that feel of for me : Everything about Furina is perfect 10/10 But it has a lot of fillers, there are many points just got ignored in the end, characters like Childe and The Knave feels like side characters despise the fact they seem important They were the center for two patches Then became irrelevant, we didn't talk to childe and the knave did nothing important despise being the center character for fontaine since the teaser till 4.1 I find it sad how they emphasized her importance just to be pinched at the end Focalors's plan depends a lot on luck and perfect timing, like what if the whale attack before the trail there's noway anyone can do anything before Nuvi returns his power and there's no guarantee that we will put her in trail in first place it was nuvi's suggestions and Focalors didn't interfere there , also Skirk said that it was her work to take the whale, and she was going to do it so how exactly the whale is the big problem and the main reason that the prophecy will fulfill what the connection between an abyssal power and a prophecy coming from celesta it feels an excuse to have a boss fight also at the very end we didn't had a chance to talk to childe after being the main reason why the traveler was involved in 4.1 archon quest and destroy act 3 completely we didn't achieve the main reason for that act at the end it was meaningless that the main things that bother me and I would more than happy that you can clear thing to me
One correction. Nahida is not just powerful all the time. In the fight with Scara, she has her gnosis so she is essentially super boosted. We saw that the gnosis was able to make samsara dream cycles in act 2 and that is essentially what Nahida used in that fight. She is still fairly powerful, but she is not even close to Raiden or Zhongli in terms of raw power without the gnosis. Great video otherwise! I basically agree with all of the picks here.
Gotta say I absolutely respect your takes and honestly a lot of them really coincide with mine, although if I were to bring a new argument to the table since you brought up Dunyarzad is that I think Xiao's rescue is actually one of the most disappointing plot elements. Why? Simply put to me I believe it was a pure showing of how unwilling Hoyo is at letting anything tragic happen to they're playable characters(at least in Genshin) and it entirely breaks any tension you could possibly feel with them in truly dangerous scenarios. Granted im obviously not for killing off characters without reason and that doesn't mean it's impossible for them to do nothing in the long term because they simply didn't sacrifice one character but at this point the evidence in recent times clearly shows. Collei is an excellent example, her Eleazar could have had potential to really be some kind of fear for us of her succumbing to it or Nahida's willingness to sacrifice herself in her second story quest but ultimately in the back of your head you'll always think "oh they'll be fine, they wouldn't" because they really haven't. Signora technically wasn't a playable character but that felt meaningful because it built up the real danger the Raiden puppet possessed to us as a player, as messy as Inazuma was concerned it had certain merits. So to put it simply, I think Xiao living was honestly just as much if not even more disappointing then Dunyarzad purely because it alienates any playable characters from any real sense of danger. On top of the fact that since then he hasn't really...changed much. If anything it's like he never had the experience at all. In a way I think it would've fit for him to be at peace that way, to finally be free of that karmic debt and protect others the way he always had before. Probably a hot take but I can't help thinking back to that moment and always blaming it for making me think twice about the real safety of a playable character, in this way it's almost like they'll always be untouchable from the game's world and I don't believe that's necessarily ok.
The whole point of Xiao living is to give him a chance to live the life his yaksha family always wanted to live and we see that now since he's become more willing to interact with others and participate in events. That's why his banner name is Introduction to Mundane Life. Going through with his near death would be a spit in the face to his family and completely validate his very self sacrificial mentally which is not good. Especially since he himself thinks that he shouldn't be alive whole everyone else he loved and who wanted to actually live out their lives have died. Xiao living isn't Hoyoverse telling us they won't kill off a Genshin character Xiao is just the character that doesn't need to die since it doesn't add to his story. Himeko dying added to her story and was bittersweet because yes while it's sad she's gone it shows how much she cared for Kiana and was willing to risk her own life if it meant Kiana could live on and find happiness. Xiao dying would jus validate hin being self sacrificial which is shown multiple times to not be good for him
@@chaoticbliss4169 While I completely understand where you're coming from, in normal circumstances yes I believe Xiao living realistically should open up a path for him to live the life his companions could not. But let me raise a counter question, since that questline what has Xiao surviving added to his character since it ended? Id say the most significance he's had has been through 2 limited time events and while granted ill admit his presence during that special get together with Hu Tao and the others was a nice moment I can't really say his presence felt...needed besides that? For the poetry event he was kind of trying but even then didn't really show any signs of willing to change unless asked to and in terms of permanent appearances was for I believe really only Baizhu's quest and he really just talked exposition then. Now I don't dislike his presence I would just like to see him show more signs of growing, which is entirely random because we all know how consistent Hoyo is at expanding on character arcs. Now, if his sacrifice really did happen imagine not only the lasting impact on us and the characters involved but what a selfish decision like that could really do for the long term vision of how we look at the characters and individuals in the game. Characters making reckless decisions like that can add dimension to them that we can't really fully understand even if it goes against others wishes like the Yaksha and to me I think that's also interesting, it's believable that sometimes the right decision isn't always made for the good of everyone's well being, Nobody ever wants to leave someone behind but there are times where it happens and he made that choice faster than anyone could think about it and was completely prepared to face the consequences. Do I think choices like those should always lead to a sacrifice? No of course not, but in his case it's almost like saving him put him in a similar state of limbo like Dunyarzad where he still exists but without any real purpose anymore, mind you not as dire but subtly similar. I know it's more on Hoyo for that issue but my thoughts on that still remain, I actually really appreciate your point of view on Xiao living feeling more in line with what his friends would've wanted but I just respectfully disagree that his death wouldn't have meant something either. It's always entirely dependent on how they write they're characters at the end of the day
I like that format a lot but don't think you can make us forget about part 3, Maverick! We won't let you run away from your responsibilities so easily!
the thing about collei, did you expect her to go 1v1 with dottore just for the sake of an encounter with him? Sumeru is about moving on from the past and i dont see how collei interacting with dottore would serve any purpose to the main story other than fan service. Dunyarzad... Someone clearly didn't play Dehya's story quest. Also since when was Nahida shown to be all powerful? I'm assuming you thought that during the scaramouche cutscene but all she did was trap scaramouche in a samsara because she knew she couldn't defeat scaramouche in direct combat. Even the traveler couldn't if not for the power of friendship.
A character's whole set up being connected to an antagonist of an arc, only for that character to have zero knowledge or interaction with them while they're near them is like, a cardinal sin of writing. There's no purpose to Collei being connected to Dotorre then. Very clearly it was written this way in junction with the segments to delete the manga from existence. Nahida can control minds, existence in dreams, trap people in loops, beat fake gods, look into the history of the world, etc etc etc. She's by far the most powerful god and I don't feel like it's close.
@@StrayMaverick we don't even know which dottore was responsible for the experiments. You're making it seem like collei being a dottore test subject is integral to the sumeru plot when it's just there as world building flavor. My dude nahida spent 500 years in prison and it wasn't nahida that beat a fake god, it was the traveler with nahida's knowledge capsule buff. She's powerful but she's not even close to Rukkhadevata at her prime though she has the potential to surpass her in time. She has the child body type for a reason.
@@StrayMaverickI feel like Collei's story is more about trauma processing. The reason she never sees or mentions Dottore again is precisely to teach us that you can overcome trauma in your past. There was never a setup for her to meet Dottore again. The point is that she's trying to overcome her trauma from him. Her meeting or hearing from him again would only negate all the years of stabilizing she has been through. And I have no idea how you got that idea of Nahida. All the powers you mentioned she either can't use to save herself or her nation, or she doesn't have that power at all. Like okay, she can trap minds. So what? The sages even managed to trap her mind at the end with the help of Dottore, making it impossible for her to do that telepathy and mind swap thingy. She also doesn't have the power to defeat fake gods, only the traveler managed to beat after like hundreds of tries with her help. And she only gained more resolve AFTER Alhaithems plan already started to succeed. Only after this does she realise how shit she has been treated.
I'm pretty sure the whole reason they come up with Dottore segments is to retcon manga and make Dottore morally gray. 😂The only segment who's left alive is Omega (who has nothing to do with what happened to Collei) and they already left hints about how he can be redeemed. Nahida tells him that he doesn't have any sense of belonging and he wasn't able to make peace with his past and other segments etc. He even agrees with her. This makes me think they will use it as plot device to redeem him and make him join us as playable character at some point.
Honestly great vid, im not going to beat a dead horse by pointing out the things other's have so let me add my own most disappointing plot point: I will NEVER forgive genshin for what they did to the chasm quest with Yanfei, Yelan, Itto, Kuki, and Xiao. I tell this to literally everyone i know bc I'm so upset about it, but i hate the fact they add Xiao to literally every quest. I can go on for hours but ill try to make this short before i get too upset lol i was genuinely excited and enjoying the quest, laughing at how highlarious the ragtag group was together and invested in the story wondering how these (mostly) normal people would escape, BUT then xiao showed up and its just like, oh so xiao is going to teleport everyone out, cool. Did anyone else hate that quest as much as I did?
I am very surprised that Scaramouche redemption arc as a whole wasn't there in the video. The guy does multiple despicable things in the course of a few hundred years, one of them being ruining Kaedehara clan and still gets a free pass, his criminal record erased. Absolutely wild. One of the most blatant "he's really evil, but we have to make him playable" writing. And no, the sob story about how Ei discarded him and he lost his purpose isn't making him any more appealing, doesn't really create any sympathy. Because after that he went on a very long villain arc, it wasn't like he did one bad thing and then we fix him. At least the Traveller still doesn't trust the guy even after.
Ugh, those idiots again. If you don't understand his quest, just say so... sigh. THIS. WASN'T. REDEMPTION. You're wrong, and you suck at media literacy.
Personally I believe that we could replace any of the points that aren't about Inazuma with HOT TAKE INCOMING! Whatever happend during the last stretch of Fontaine, Specifically what happend after the Narwhal dived back into the primordial sea: Neuvilette somehow knew EXACTLY what we are facing.... how? The complete lack of any empathy from MC towards Furina between them getting to witness the life of Furina, and the end of her story quest, (Her story quest is another can of worms) Which baffles me because thus far, Traveler has been shown to be very empathetic throught the stories of the other nations. It also felt as if they REALLY wanted to kill Tartaglia, but they realized they couldn't, at the time when everything was ready for his demise. Like his dive back into the sea was the most obvious deathflag I think I saw thus far in GI, also the knight we fought inside of the narwhale had movements similar to that of Tartaglia. Pretty much everything about Skirk. I felt as if tho every word she spoke, undermined EVERYTHING that has been done to avert the crisis. Oh? this world destroying beast? nuh that's just a weak PET of my master, no big deal.... Focalor has sacrificed herself for THIS?! Also she had possibly the most awkward lore exposition thus far in game, at the end. "I know only those very specific, enigmatic things and my master didn't felt like telling me anything more" oh SHUT UP, would you? And then once again after everything ended, Furina got written out of the story completely, and mind you! The last thing we saw was her literally accepting her death, and we are like "Oh yeah, she will be fine :P".... All of those things made me simply mad, at the very end of a story that could otherwise leave me speechless out of amazement, if not because of those issues.
There was so much missed potential with Tighnari and Collei that it's depressing. The two could have easily accompanied us in helping revive the forest and Collei's arc should have climaxed with confronting Dottore But all the important wotld building was given to npcs and Dottore got thrown out the window 'cause reasons
My biggest peeve of the Sumeru arc was the Wanderer situation. Dont get me wrong, I’m all for a redemption, but my biggest issue was they had to go and erase all of his past mistakes from everyone’s memories. Like ok we get it, the tree of irmensul can change history or whatever but to take all of this emo twink’s atrocities and say lol lets just pretend it never happened by erasing everyone’s memories is the lamest excuse for redemption if you could even call it that. Redemption is all about facing the consequences of your own actions. It would have been great to see Wanderer actually put in the work to fixing those past mistakes. To struggle against his infamous reputation as well as trying to distance himself from the Fatui. The whole Irmensul thing basically give him an excuse to put 0 effort into fixing things bc people forgot about it. His vision cutscene tho was amazing, i just wish it had more substantial character growth behind it.
i think the idea behind his arc is that it's going to be a long path to redemption, at this point he isn't actually 'redeemed'. i'm assuming mihoyo is going to drag it out over a couple years, probably with him first making amends to the descendants of the raiden gokaden first when he gets a story quest. his past getting removed from the memories of everyone he affected sucks, but mihoyo could potentially write his attempts at redemption to be hollow since at the end of the day no one knows who he is anymore. so he'll be trying to make amends for his past but it'll never be truly accepted by the people he wronged. i do think that the fatui now not knowing who he is does suck though. i don't really like the college student arc myself, but that's basically event only so who knows how canon mihoyo will make it. hopefully his story doesn't get dragged out for years like some characters
Some rly interesting points I never thought about myself ! :00 Just wanted to drop some personal thoughts on it! 5) Not much to say, as Liyue AQ would've been the worst had Inazuma not existed. Genuinely Madame Ping came out my favourite character from it, since everyone was underutilised as characters +_+ However Childe is also someone who "helped" us a lot, so fighting him felt like: Meh, what makes you worse than all the Liyue characters who are accusing us?? You basically ended up the friend +_+ I do like how it shows his character though, and he had the biggest impact on me after the AQ; messes w/ppl, then gets messed w/; treats you like a real friend, but let's you know friendship would never get in the way of his work/goals (: 4) I do think they've managed to incorporate her rly well into the story from the manga in the sense you felt connected to her, and she had/developed connections w/the established characters, but I never thought about how they could push her character more, and confronting Dottorre would've been interesting for her. But Scara came to steal her plotline, and neither do anything about Dottorre so feel sorry for them both =_=... 2 (+3 kinda) My most disappointing moment in Genshin oc is Inazuma AQ. Best potential storyline, archon, and fatui involvement. Result: Worst of everything. Sounds silly, but I'm still deeply affected by Tomo and how the ppl of Serai & Watatsumi were treated, there's no closure. Seeing Ei still in power is a kick in the face, Kazuha feels like anything but an Inazuman citizen(ik he's a wanderer, but he still treasures his home), Signora there just to die, and pave the way for Ei (who although eventually reflects upon her actions, never actually has to deal w/the consequences of destroying her country) Oh and wow it's another harbingers fault!😃 I think Inazuma majorly impacted Sumeru for good and for worse. Better storyline, but this Fatui obsession is annoying. Made sense for Sumeru actually cz we knew Dottorre was going to be there, but he did nothing but made to look like a joke, and again, pave the way for more playable characters! Which leads to Scaramouche who is also one of my most disappointing plot points in genshin. It's all Dottorre/Ei's fault, so he gets to be redeemed as if nothing was his fault! Entire backstory dumped into AQ's, nothing left to your own thoughts. Nahid looks like a fool for letting him off, as her 1st SQ is about NOT letting someone off for abusing their power harming others, even if they do have a tragic reason to do so. 1) Finally although I was relieved Dunyarzad lived, because she suffered so much, and now has the chance to do what she wants, and it's because of Nahida she got to, you make an interesting point of it also backfiring and making Nahida look flimsy, in the sense that she can save everyone. And the better emotional payoff of her dying. Personally for me, although Sumeru had a rly strong starting arc, whatever they did to sort the issue just felt wrong, and it ended up becoming underwhelming. Actually I'm quite against the way AQ's are delivered as opposed to WQ's, i don't look forward to them anymore sadly, but uh, it's the little gem's like Thelxie's story that keeps me invested storywise.
I don't get your gripe with Nahida's powers. That wasn't ever really up for discussion. At the time she had the Gnosis and she was still the Archon. Yeah, she's going to be "powerful", and despite being locked up, she spent the last 500 years experimenting with her powers. The only thing she couldn't do was leave. She knew damn well what she was capable of and absolutely "deserved" it because she was literally born to be that way. Her weakness, in terms of powers, is also justified due to lack of faith in her specifically. That's not something she could overcome at that point and there was no plot designed to try.
Cinematics - 10/10 Music - 11/10 Story telling - 6/10 I can never click with the story despite the world building having a pretty good history and plot.
Hard disagree on Nahida point. You are so adamant on her power, the point of her story isn't to show that she is a powerless god but made powerless by her own people. Also her struggle was her loneliness and her feeling of uneeded. She was able to access Irminsul and it's OP power because she had two gnosis, also with Rukha's will to erase herself. We did get to see her struggle of loneliness and the feeling of uneeded. The story did not have to show the player more of how vulnerable Nahida was, because our emotion can understand it enough that being trapped in a cage after your birth is horrible. Her power to get around people's dream wasn't really there to show that she was perfectly "capable" and therefore she was fine, but rather something like her coping mechanism of her loneliness and and to show that she was really vulnerable but she is also still a god, her will is that of a god. Despite being betrayed by her own people right after she existed in the world. She herself learned who she really is, learned about the world, learned about her people, and learned that she has responsibility and tried her best to fulfill that purely out of her kindness. In the end, she gained her freedom and was able to overcome her loneliness and her inferiority feeling of being lesser due to her own people threw her away. Its not much as she was powerless really. Gods can be vulnerable emotionaly, but they are still a god.
You got Collei right and the Inazuma one didnt even go to any specifics, like how Ayato was used to explain bad plot points months after they happened. 1/5 is a failing grade
Inazuma seems like a copout esp after you speedran what was wrong with it, so: The way the 4.1/Jailtime! Archon quest could have been cut in half and it would still be full of filler. Really weird filler. Yayyy time managements simulator. And very obvious 'mysteries' (Except the pipe cleaning. I only knew that the noises weren't cannibals, but did not expect tri-monthly pipe cleaning) We could have been *with* Childe and fleshing out the companionship between the Traveler and him, as well as just his general character, being with him making these weird ass rumors, and understanding *how* he got into *and stuck in* the Primordial Sea, and generally "Childe why are you following the voices???" Re- Dottore and Collei: To be fair, the one who experimented on Collei wasn't Dottore but his subordinate Barnabas, so any of the copies can be held accountable since in their death scene and dialogue, it implies they all converse to come to decisions and conclusions and would therefore all be behind saying 'yeah go ahead' to the guy. And Collei already got closure about Barnabas. Diluc, Amber, and maybe Kaeya I forget beat the shit out of him, he got arrested by the Knights, and then kidnapped by Dottore for failing and 'disposed of'. Amber already helped her past her main character point in the manga: After being betrayed by the last experimental subject still alive, she thought "I will never reach out to anyone again." So I feel like her inclusion in the game as a PC wasn't to press the story forward and/or inform us about Dottore's evilness+, but to let people who read the manga know how little girl who went through and ultimately overcame hardship ended up, since it ended with her leaving Mondstadt with Cyno looking to a brighter but very undefined future. + We get that with all the notes around Sumeru about him being an utter psychopath. Murdering via strangulation a girl/woman while on a late-night picnic because no one else should find out about the ruin golem? Finding a 'cure' to Eleazar that was basically making some poor guy Frakenstien's monster from his friends? In the archon quest, his messing with/murdering Kabukimono's friends, and then doing experiments on Scaramouche that actually scared him so much doing them was a threat? The fuck my guy, I know you have 500 years of zero morals science for the story to catalogue but calm down.
Childe being a villian was never need to be foreshadowed because A. He never hid his identity B. We already knew what the fatus were after at this point So Childe being a Villian wasn't a question of Will he? But rather when will he? The traveller was never caught off by that reveal more like waiting in expectation. I don't see the Problem with Collei. He Diagnostic didn't really matter as i think it was at the end of act 2 or so that we know that Elezar cannot physically be cured by normal means and act 4 shows why that is the case so her diagnostics and treatment never going to be oart of it because it would've been meaniles at the end of the day alongside Dottore's notes, even he could not do anything but slow ot down at best and as much as i like Collei this isn't her story so why do you want to traumatise her even more. These are called Archon Quests for a reason because they're focused on tge Archons more so tgen characters themselves. How is leaving the worse possible one alive the bad choice, left to his own devices he would've done it himself. He just needed an excuse to get rid of them plus i dont up think he can get rid of the original one not to mention he just casually preludes to creating more of them. A. Dhunyarazad wasn't dying the dream became of Elezar. B. It was more like she would've died if the dream had continued, when disappears she wasn't dead her mind just threw her back into a her own dream because it could not continue existing without it's source which was getting weaker by the second. Nahida just tried to keep her brain alive toll we go release the dream otherwise she would've died which would've shufted Sumeru's tone alot more. Nahida would've lost almost all of her confidence rhat instant, like this even starts showing during the ginal loop, if she had died actually Nahida would've just shut down. During the last loop too she just drops everything enough to tell us what to do unsupervised meanwhile she leaves in hopes that there still might be a way to save Dhunyarazad her only stan
I’m glad with how Fontaine’s story was handled and I think it might be a turning point with the tone and quality of the Story to come. Let’s hope they don’t drop the ball like they did in Inazuma.
to be fair I believe the erasure of clones was most likely just a temporary thing to currently appease nahida to give the gnosis away. The way dottore was set up I have no doubts he can just flatout recreate new clones and we might perhaps see one or two going rogue on him after discovering the erasure fiasco, which would make sense as a playable character.
I honestly think the biggest hinderance to any hoyoverse story is its adherence to the gatcha system. Lack of characters with flaws? If theyre too unapealing it'll isolate a core audience that might try to pull them. Lack of villanous characters? All character design resources are needed for playable characters, they're not gunna make a custom model and animations for someone you can't even buy. Lack of drama between characters? Characters need to be able to within the constraints of the lore agree to work with the traveler and other characrers on a playable team. Does a character have no purpose whatsoever? Money. I love this game, but it is sad to see it struggle within its monetization system.
While nowhere near "the worst", I'm fairly disappointed in Arlecchino so far. While there is still copium fueled hope that she is putting up an act, Arlecchino, much like Dottore, had the potential of being a true monster. She had amazing build up as someone who grooms children into secret agents and the voice lines from Childe and Scaramouche sold her as a plain evil bitch. What we got is... intimidating but nice "dad". I will keep on huffing my copium until the end though.
I feel like thats the whole purpose of her character though, a wolf in sheep's clothing. Don't we even have other fatuis explicitly calling her that? The writers are tbh pretty obviously trying to make us build trust with her only so that she can heartlessly shatter it when we have a conflict of interest. In this specific case there was 0 conflict of interest between traveler and arleccino.
i never really understood this line of argument about arlecchino. just because she's nice and cordial doesn't mean she's not still grooming child soldiers to do the fatui's bidding. she can be as pleasant as she wants but at the end of the day she's still taking vulnerable children who feel indebted to her, taking advantage of how indebted they feel, and sending them out to be her soldiers. if anything, she's always been shown to us as morally grey. she'll likely continue to be morally dubious. it would be unnecessary for her to fall into the "hero" or "villain" camp.
Genshin has a few problems when it comes to story. 1. Redemptions: who should get them and what the arcs actually are. 2. The Fatui and the Abyss, the latter BARELY comes up despite when personally important to the Traveler and the Fatui, I swear, have actual plot armor.
Honestly yeah if Dunyarzad had her dying would been interesting plot point. Like imagine everyone learns about timeloop and if it ends she will die. Like imagine if everyone trying to convince Dunyarzard to not do it. Only for her commit ultimate sacrifice to end the loop.
I can argue that Traveler didn't trust Childe from the moment he said he's a Fatui Harbinger The reveal about "betrayal" isn't really a reveal Traveler only play along with childe to clear his/her name, and he simply has the info that the traveler needs and from the moment we met Ningguang, Traveler said to her (It was him isn't ? ) And she agrees, implies that the two of them knew that childe is most likely behind all this then when we went to investigate about the Fatui, it was obvious that the Traveler never trusted Childe and when Zhongli said that something off Traveler immediately explain to Paimon that it 100% Childe starts moving, and they know where he headed when the "reveal" happens, Traveler was never shocked about it. The real disappointment was "Zhongli's reveal" as the Geo Archon it was obvious from the beginning that he's someone important, and the game hints more than 5 times about it, so when the traveler was shocked about his identity I was like "what? What you mean, your shocked about that!"
Great video, I agree with most of your take, especially the last one. It's so disappointing that all of nahida character development is all for nothing since it turns out that she has always been the god of sumeru all this time, all the feat and wisdom of RKDVT is transferred into her making it that she basically didn't learn anything from the previous act since all of that was retconned by irminsul if i remember correctly.
One person who deserves to go on this list is the unknown god. I believe the last time she was mentioned by the traveler is Inazumas interlude (correct me if im wrong) It's like she was forgotten by hoyoverse altogether
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP COLLEII!!! I was expecting that there will be time on sumeru AQ where Collei with help from Tighnari or Cyno will face Dottore. Even tho perhaps they will lost, I think the interaction will be really interesting.
I'm SO glad someone else sees how silly they handled Dunyarzad. They had such a mature, beautiful and emotional approach to her character growth, and death. I was so proud of Hoyo for being mature about it and highlighting just how deadly Elezar is. But they brought her back to life and I was kinda pissed, lmao. Threw all that out for nothing.
I dont see being mature=kill character, thanks to the fact that Nahida was able to save Dunyarzad, she was able to finally believe in her strength and begin to act. if Dunya had not survived, Nahida might never have recovered from the feeling of her powerlessness
I don't always agree that maturity = death, but I don't think that death should be shy'd away from when it's in service of characters and the plot. Nahida having to deal with the fact that she couldn't save someone is also so great. It allows for a more in depth look at her powerlessness. Instead, we see her first feat as one where she's able to save a soul from dying, and then we're made to believe that she doesn't believe in herself. It's a weird choice
1000000% agree. I was very, very confused why they decided to save her and then do nothing with her later as well. Even more of a reason to kill her off. Lol
@@StrayMaverick Nahida has been feeling useless for 500 years, and she also could not stop the beginning of the loop itself, and could only count on the main character, she herself said that she cannot be a real archon if she cannot even save her only believer during her own holiday , I think she definitely needed this victory, an impetus to the fact that she could still help people
I’m so tired of there being no stakes most of the time and when there is it’s resolved cuz “traveler saved the day! Crisis averted!”. There are too many happy ending for everyone. It’s bland.
Genshin biggest problem is tell don't show all the interesting stuff are hidden in game lore and dailuges but we never see them in front of us in the main story
*clears throat* FURINA DESERVED BETTER So I just saw this, and I'm looking forward to your opinions on the Fontaine Archon Quest! SPOILERS AHEAD for anyone that hasn't played it: Personally, one of the worst plot points in Genshin is how everyone treated Furina after she stepped down of the role of Archon. Not only she was never thanked for her 500 years serving as one (except for a brief Focalors message), but she's now basically a common person who now feels less important story wise than other characters like Navia, Lyney or Chlorinde, who are of course heroes, but haven't faced an inch of what Furina had to. It's hard to sum it up in one YT comment, but I can't help but feel that she deserves better. She showed great resolve throughout half a millennium, actually BECAME the Hydro Archon (because people thought of her as it) and managed her duty excellently except for one little mishap: not being able to stop the prophecy, which we find out to be INEVITABLE anyways! And now you're telling me that a character who was that skilled, that smart and cult, that loved and THAT important to a whole nation for so long, can only become a film director while the traveler and Paimon mock her? Sure that's what she "wants" right now... But would some praise hurt?
Personally think collei should've been in dunyarzard's position It would move Dehya's introduction to the desert but it would really make that part of the story feel more cohesive
The whole plot around the unreconciled stars event is retrospectively kind of disappointing, as Hoyo treats it, like it never happened. So this whole plot point about the "false sky" went just nowhere, up until now, the end of Fontaines Archon quest. Like, they altered even Scaramouchs dialog in Inazuma for everyone, who didn't play the event in 1.1. And Wanderer has no voice line about "the false sky" or "about Mona".
honestly one of my top most disappointing plot points were the trials. i expected to actually have to argue against sceptic crowd that has already condemned the defendant or some interesting twists and turns but then you just present a different theory and everyone immediately buys it as the truth. lyney said he didn't hear the noise? sure, we're just gonna treat what the defendant said as actual evidence in court. and then the second trial where they accuse childe even though it's pretty obvious he didn't do it and he wasn't even framed with damning evidence?? it felt like i was playing an ace attorney imitation that completely missed the essence of the series. i get that they probably wouldn't be able to make the trials last as much as aa ones without making a lot of people groan but it still could've been done better.
Azar, man i want the plot let us play Cyno and fight Azar 1v1 and Azar can be mini boss fight in the final act. I want him to atleast fight more than just a boomer.
I gotta disagree with the 1st point. The whole time I saw Childe I thought "when do I get to kick his butt" and to think otherwise showed a lack of understanding narrative
I agree 100% that Dunyarzad should've died in that arc, but I think the writers needs her to be alive so they could give Dehya an interesting character arc in her story quest, I am not gonna lie it was interesting to see what they did with her in Dehya's story quest, but she was far from necessary she was there to set up the "Twist" but then they just abandoned the whole thing so they could give Dehya's character more depth and worked very well I think Dehya's character had an actual character arc and growth of any character in Genshin in a story quest and the set-up for part 2 was so intriguing but while it was working very well to Dehya's character it was far from necessary for Dunyarzad and if she wasn't in the quest the "Twist" would be more complex and put Dehya in bigger dilemma, but I think they waste it I think Dehya's story quest one of the best story quests in Genshin history yet Dunyarzad was a useless part of it, I understand that they needed her alive for that story in mind, but I don't respect it and I think it would be better if she wasn't part of it
Ja odnoszę do takich momentów i egzekucją Furiny. po temu momentu już się chce przepisać temat genszyna nie do poznania. As these moments,i classificate Furina's execution. After that moment i want to rewrite genshin plot beyond recognition.
Nah Hoyoverse will never make a villian playable or kill a playable character. If they do that the kids will cry and attack the story writers and send death threat to their house for killing their favorite pixels
Idk why you're under the impression that this version of Dottore is "good" or "gray" or "not the most evil one." It seems pretty apparent to me that this is truly the most evil Dottore. Bro erased his own clothes, tortured people, killed people, and used people without a hint of remorse. He's not being redeemed. It's just not happening. He's going to die, just like Signora.
Do we know this one has tortured or killed others? It seems he's not the one who tortured Collei too. I'd bet a lot that he's getting at least 50% redeemed. Lol. Also, Wanderer killed people as well. Genshin has redeemed characters like that before.
I recommend reading the manga so you could give Collie's character No.1 in this list as the most disappointing Plot Point in Genshin's History because it well deserved :(
I don't know if Fontaine was as good as people think. Of course Fontaine had the highest high. But this is from someone who just replayed ONLY the Archon Quests in a new account. I kid you not, as enjoyable act I, II, V is; I absolutely dreaded Fontaine Act III and IV. As a whole, I would still put Sumeru > Fontaine. Sumeru didn't have the highest of highs, but it also didn't have the lowest of lows.
Dunyarzad should have died 100%, just like Xiao should have died too. How did they have TWO Deus ex machina moments in a row!? They just so happen to both be the ending of my two favorite archon quests too. It wasn’t enough to ruin those quests for me but definitely soured the moment.
@@Pacerig Playable characters SHOULD die. Otherwise there’s no stakes. I still feel that so far there aren’t any stakes in archon quests. Also other Hoyoverse games do it, why can’t Genshin? I get why Xiao didn’t die because his whole thing is that he’s survived for so long after everyone around him has died. Leaving him to suffer and bear the curse alone. But also that could make for a good point in saying it’s finally his time to rest. Also we don’t have enough shock value moments in Genshin. I know sometimes they are cheap, but there’s like none in Genshin. I actually really like Dunyarzad as a character so it would be quite sad to see her go. But I think it would have left a lasting impact on me. Really showing the stakes.
Don't really agree with any of those. They all seem "there was a really 2 dimensional plot they could have run here but I'm mad because they went with a more complicated one."
Imma be real, I think a lot (not all) of your disappointments just boil down to you have specific sensibilities when it comes to what makes a good story (as everyone has), you not fully understanding every aspect of the story due to not getting into lore through texts and world quests (which is fair enough), and you making weird assumptions about the future plot (which I don’t fully understand tbqh) and has little to do with the actual quality of the writing or execution. Which is all fair, these are just opinions, so ultimately no one is “right,” it’s just interesting to see different perspectives lol
I mean, a disappointment is based on expectations, so obviously this is based on my sensibilities. But I read the lore and world quests (I have 9 hours or recaps on this channel) and which part of this is based on the future? I specify why the thing was disappointing in the moment. Sure, some of it impacts the future, but that's not why these are bad to me. Lol
We got nilu and dehya as playable characters but the charger I think should have as a payble should be duniyazard. Just remove her npc face to a decent character face.
The reason why i loved Act 5 of Fontaine was because we got to meet Silver and Melus and got to know them and then they died. Should've happened to Dunyarzard. if you can't kill Playable characters Hoyoverse, kill the NPC's that are relevant to the plot and give them some reason of why we should give 2 sh*ts about them."
For Me Fontaine was a let down making Furina just a victim that did nothing but play her part while everyone turned toxic with Neuvillete getting all the attention it would make way more sense for a Furina to meet focalor then later regain atleast part of her divinity both from themeatic perspective and the story one. Hoyo making Travler brain dead and flip flopping bettwen trusting and not trusting Fatui in fontaine was also bad.
Can't stand Inazuma, the only thing that caught me there is, surprisingly for many people, Teppei. Like, I didn't give anything about characters presented in main story except for Teppei. He was my main motivation to not die from overall dullness of Inazuma and just go beat some asses.
Inazuma's everything sucked. It started off SO damned well, everything was built up for an amazing part 2 and (logically) part 3...but then almost nothing happened in terms of story? Sure the plot moved forward, but no story was told. Multiple plot points just never mentioned again and a useless character death of some unnamed mook we knew for 5 minutes before feeling "oh swo swad" about him dying...who cared? Legitimately, who cared about that nameless mook?
Inazuma started as my favourite story! However I lost all interest on the ending and sure a few things were un interesting but I too find Fontaine and 4.1 beginning quite boring
The whole Dunyarzad thing annoys me. - If you're going to torture someone with Eleazar, but will not commit to kill them - use Collei, who people care about lot more. - If you're going to have a tragic victim of the Samsara & Eleazar to finish off - use a stand-in like Dunyarzad. they did neither. It felt like a lazy cheap cop-out or a decision forced by the CN censorship body.
I cried my way through Dunyarzad's story and cursed Hoyo for "killing" her, just to find out she survived somehow... I felt like someone said "It's just a prank bro" after.
it's like one piece.
Same
It was so bad that I didn't care when two other NPCs died in the new quest because I was expecting them to be revived at the end of the quest like Dunyazard, and when they weren't I felt robbed of a nice tragedy.
Oh you're crazy, nobody sane didn't cry over Melus and Silver. @@ancalyme
@@salceds How could I cry or even feel sad over them when I fully expected the story to pull a deus ex machina and revive them any moment, like with Dunyarzad
So you're telling me you were expecting a deus-ex-machina moment in a story based off of that one time a literal God was involved personally? You're just being cynical with no clear purpose or goal. @@ancalyme
As much as I love Inazuma, it was indeed a letdown with how much potential it has as a story. A closed-off country with an ongoing civil war against its own god is such a great plot point. We could only hope that Natlan, which was mentioned to be engulfed in wars, could be what Sumeru was in my mind. Not to mention that a Fatui Harbinger is hinted to be involved in it too. Now I'm excited on your take on Fontaine now since it is by far the best one we have.
Exactly! I think an issue might be with timing. Inazuma is the type of story that they really needed to spend more time on, but because of their release cycles they decided to rush it. They also made sure to dodge a lot of the clearly darker aspects that they could have focused on. Still weird to me that, to this day, we've never gotten a Kazuha and Ei scene or an Ei and Kokomi scene where she takes responsibility. It's odd. Lol
@@StrayMaverick And the start is horrible like you said.I don't know if it's better but I always thought how would it be if our journey to Inazuma started with smuggling ourselves into Beiodu's ship only to find out that they will be coming to Inazuma as reinforcements for the resistance forces or at least help Kazuha be there as reinforcement. And we get thrown right in the middle of chaos on that one awesome cutscene of the battle with Sara. Then maybe we get to the swordfish arc and with that motivation, we investigate and go to the capital. Meet Thoma and Yoimiya just like how we did and see firsthand how the Raiden shogun takes away visions and move on with the story from there.
ccp guidelines fucked with inazuma's storyline heavily. china's gaming association has an internal memo on this; a lot of tight restrictions on depictions of historical japan, depictions of japanese eras of war and historical japanese figures/warlords. the genshin team joined ccp a week before inazuma's release. it seems pretty obvious that the writers had to alter/redact a lot of their original plans for inazuma, resulting in weird pacing and shallow character development.
it seems people played through inazuma, called it bad and never looked back, but as someone who went back to the archon quest it... wasn't really that awful. they had a lot of great concepts that can be appreciated irregardless of the pacing, and as much as i hate exploring the foggy island or enka, those places offer us some wonderfully in-depth mythos surrounding inazuma.
@@StrayMaverickthe closest thing we get is Kazuha basically forgiving her in his voice line, so we probably never will get a Kazuha, Raiden Ei apology interaction.
@@6235riveralso, Inazuma has a strong theme imo, which can’t be said about mondstat and liyue imo. Even if it’s a little undercut and also still blemished by how the quest is kind of all over the place, imo the first half of inazuma is good and the ending is good too. But like the second half stuff is just… strange
Ok but about the dottore thing... Zandik, his real identity, has always been evil. He killed a girl he went to school with (and possibly ate her???) And blamed it on some wild animals. He was also always into really unethical experiments
You want horrifying lore? Go to dar al shifa in the desert get inside and read the scattered documents and there you'll now who dottore really is
Genshin not putting 60% of their story into in-game books no one’s going to read challenge (impossible):
idk man collei's arc isnt an arc its the happy end she needed from the manga, shes's there for the manga people to go "THANK GOD SHE GETS A HAPPY ENDING"
I mean, I am glad that she's thriving now, that's fair. Lol
@@StrayMaverickthe manga was her arc not the game
Is Childe's Betrayal really a point? Iirc no one was surprised about Childe in game at all, even the Traveler immediately guessed Childe was the culprit going for the Exuvia before the fight. Plus, the fact he was a Harbinger was said straight it's just he wasn't antagonistic like Signora until the end. Or was that the disappointment and I'm misreading?
Yeah, that was the disappointment. The game makes the Traveler clearly distrust Childe, only to make Childe the enemy supposedly behind the scenes. To me, it was a weird choice to make. If Childe is using us, at least have our Protagonist get close to him instead of always being like "yeah, but like... I know you're trying to trick me." Lol
It's for the UA-camrs I've seen tentatively beginning to trust Tartaglia only for him to "slap" them in the face with his Golden House appearance and fight.
@@StrayMaverick
Yeah that's fair but this is were opinions come into play. I didn't mind that at all and actually liked how that was done.
Childe on the first time we met, literally said something along the lines of, "Im from the fatui, so im kinda of a bad guy."
Did Traveler know the Exuvia was in the Golden House? I never understood how they figured out that's the only place Childe could be going.
5. I remember Childe's betrayal being blindly obvious, so much so I just didn't see the problem as I was waiting for the betrayal to happen the whole time.
Another point, Zhongli being the archon was also blindingly obvious (it is still fun seeing people being surprised), though him giving away his gnosis was the real plot twist for me, imo.
3. That version of Dottore being the "good one" that is left? What gave you that idea???
Every single one of them are complicit to each other's plans (as we saw with the operation to get Haypasia), there was literally the murder of Katsuragi, the destruction of Tatarasuna, and the manipulation of Scaramouche.
Dottore also calls himself the "most selfish" version among the clones.
Like yeah, it was a shame they dropped the old clones, but he literally said that he will find new methods to "look through the dimension of time" in the future.
1. Nahida being the ultimate power fantasy character??? She is an archon, after all. Not strong enough to fight any of the harbringers alone, but she is still an archon.
Her peoples lack of faith hampered her powers, yes, but her insecurities and self-loathing held her back more than anyone else could've had.
It was the Sumeru crew's willingness to save her, and her interactions with tabibito, that broke her out of her cage, both physically, and mentally.
Back on Dunyarzad, I guess I'm just not a "death completes a person" kinda dude.
Her finally interacting with Nahida, that Nahida was ultimately able to save Dunyarzad from the curse through her own grief, the writing ended up being beautiful in another way.
I’m pretty sure Inazuma’s terrible pacing is why Archon quests now have five acts.
I almost completely agree with you on points four and two.
The others, not so much.
First of all, I think you completely misunderstood Il Dottore, his role, and the reason he deleted his clones.
One thing you seemed to misunderstand was that his different clones would have different personalities. From what Dottore explains however, it's all the same Dottore, but at different ages.
And the Dottore in Sumeru CLEARLY states that he is the most selfish out of all his clones. You also have to remember that he was already evil before making his clones. The notes from Zandik reveal to us that he murdered the girl that fell in love with him. This is something that all "clones" share, as they are not clones in the traditional sense with all having unique memories. They all have shared memories. I highly doubt they will redeem Dottore. Redeeming him is also redundant, because none of the players, especially in China are gonna disconnect a redeemed Dottore from the Dottore in the manga where he experiments on kidnapped children.
Lastly the reason why he deleted his clones for story purposes is actually to make him look even MORE insane.
It's to show how little he cares for lives, even his own life and how he is willing to throw away decades of work and experience just to get what he wants.
And as a final note I wanted to mention that it is hinted at that he can still make new clones. It just takes immense amounts of resources.
So in short, his actions in Sumeru didn't throw away his evilness, it made him way more evil and insane.
I also disagree on your point with Tartaglia, but not as much, because that might just be
a difference in perspective.
I personally don't mind the twist at the end as much because it's barely a twist. Tartaglia was never ment to be seen as a good harbinger, not even at the beginning. It was continuously hinted at throughout the AQ and the traveler is also suspicious of him the entire time. The traveler and Paimon are also not surprised at all when he turns out to be 'evil'.
His role wasn't twist villain. Instead it was to showcase how different fatui go to work. His friendliness towards the traveler was never fake. He genuinely wants to be a nice dude, but he also does his all to serve the Tsaritsa.
Last point: So I kinda agree with the Dunyarzad thing, but I don't think it made it THAT much worse that she was still alive. Like, her being alive isn't necessarily bad story telling, but it could've definitely been better.
I really just don't get your Nahida point... Like power fantasy? She felt like and was by far the weakest archon. Like she is completely powerless. Both literal and mentally at first. She is both physically isolated and locked up, but also psychologically isolated. In the story, when she finally sees her own desire for freedom and gains resolve, she also gains literal power, although a tiny bit. Even then she is completely reliant on the traveler, unlike Zhongli, Venti or Focalors and Furina.
At the end as well, Dottore literally says: "I'm sure you're very aware of the difference in power between us."
Nahida is weak and psychology broken. And thematically that makes the most sense for her character. The only thing she can do to survive is giving hope to people like Dunyarzad, making sure there are still people that believe in her. When she meets the traveler it's not strange that she takes her chance to try and convince them to fight the Akademiya for her peoples sake. Her own wellbeing is an afterthought. Only AFTER they start to have successes, Nahida realises that she too, deserves to be treated better and gains resolve and thus power.
I also have a theory on why Dottore didn't just take the Gnosis by force and instead decided to trade it. Some people might be asking: He is evil and has no limits, so why wouldn't he take it by force?
My answer would be because of his pride. Dottore takes extreme pride in his intelligence. He wants to show of his intelligence to the god of wisdom. If he would resort to violence, it would mean admitting that he can't argue up against the dendro archon. When Nahida proposes to destroy the Gnosis, she still technically wins the argument. Dottore in his pride has to accept her conditions. Then for the dendro gnosis he opts for telling Nahida something even the god of wisdom doesn't know, hoping to still get the last laugh.
I think the point about the doctor is that it’s missed potential for him to not interact with himself, why have clones if we never really see them.
Yes what they did instead is also a choice that has implications, but the current one is that it explains how Dottore will have lore of being super horrible but the one that exists technically didn’t do it because he magically erased the guy who did.
As for the Nahida point, we’re really told more than shown that Nahida is powerless, in the Samsara she still has to get a grasp on the situation but she’s the character with the strongest grasp on the situation by far, and then she uses her powers to read minds and control people willy nilly up until she’s captured and mentally contained, and then when she’s freed, she uses her ridiculous powers to defeat every obstacle in her way, she barely feels powerless in her quest, we never see her abilities fail to save someone she tried to save, or fail to accomplish something she tried to accomplish she just technically spends time imprisoned.
If her arc was supposed to be about finding strength through knowledge, then she never needed to find that strength, because she always had all the knowledge (and crazy abilities) she needed to accomplish everything she tried.
The manga's Dottore and the in-game Dottore act very differently imo. It's untrue that the different Dottores don't have different personalities. I was very disappointed personally with how in-game Dottore was presented versus what I had been looking forward to from the manga... But that's my thing. Still though, it's not true to say that "All the Dottores are the same"
@@Mr.Nullbody_ I didn't say they don't have different personalities.
What I said is that they all are based on the same base: Zandik. What Zandik did is a memory carried by ALL Dottore's
@samkeiser9776I think Nahida's powerlessness is more of a depreciation from the sages and herself. She's still a god, just failing to live up to her predecessor. Her main struggle lies in her inability to save her people from Eleazar and stop the sages from opressing the people (which she blames her own weakness instead of the sages), but she's always shown to have great mental powers as seen in how she conforted the sick children and mad researchers, even saving Aaru village from sandstorms all while being physically confined. She's far weaker than Zhongli, Raiden, Rukhadevatta and presumably the enigma known as Venti but she has her own godly abilities. Her power at the end of the chapter comes from her stop blaming herself and fighting for herself and her people. Even then, she can only perform mental manipulations and rely on Traveler to do the actual fighting
Correct me if im wrong but isnt the segment of dottore who is alive the most evil one . He himself states hes the most selfish and that the other segments wouldn't go through with erasing all the segments.
Is it ever stated that he's the one who tortured Collei tho? That's the part I'm not super sure about. Lol
Oh if you mean that then yeah it was a different segment. Its never stated Ingame but its pretty obvious if you read the manga .
@@DampyDamDoesn’t that make *that* segment the most evil one?
@@Fabio-ql5yf tbf we really don't know much about what the segment we see in game has done in the past
@@DampyDam Makes sense
5:28 I mean he did say that he can and will make more clones, so I think it was more a set up for future so they didn’t have to deal with it until much later in the story
We'll definitely have to see. Odd choice tho that they already had the clones there, and then they erase them, only to bring them back. I think if they ever try to bring them back, we'll stop Dottore before that even happens.
Yeh dats what i thought too, or he coudlve had a forgotten reject clone of his self when he was innocent (a deactivated prototype of sort)
@@StrayMavericki think they did it just to show he can do something like that both from an exposition perspective and his character perspective. Unless his cloning machine malfunctions in future, so we can get a "good version" Dottore out of the box to play with
My guy the problem is that Collei gets no closure for the segment that torture her he literally died off screen 😂 it's wasted potential super hard
@@tonyinfinite5174 I don't argue but Collei had her own place, no?
Personally I am inclined to believe that dottore's erasure situation was rather meant as a setup for a "show dont tell" kind of payoff to his evil once we meet some segments he did not delete and honestly I prefer to believe that headcanon until at the very least im proven wrong lol
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t dottore say that he can just… make more segments?
yes, he did. The problem was the resources it required. so Nahida's trade was kinda meaningless...
@@georgidimitrov836 not really nahida goal was to slow down his operation him having no more clone mean it take time to do a lot of thing that his clone could have done
I was originally going to comment something like “Childe’s reveal as an antagonist could’ve worked if he hadn’t told the Traveler he’s part of the Fatui and it was revealed to us later on as a twist”
But then I remembered they literally did that with Scaramouche in the Unreconciled Stars event soooooooooo :/
Lol still shocked that was just an event!
Okay, the Dottore thing might require more looking into. Nothing every implied that the one we met is "good" or "okay".
Where do I say that the one we have is "good?" I just say it's not the obvious evil one that tortured Collei.
@@StrayMaverickMaybe, but Zandik himself also tortured and murdered people.
And it's also unknown which Dottore is the one to torture Abbas. I really recommend the video "Genshin Impact is a horror game" by . It's an interesting video, not to be taken too seriously but it does talk about one of the horrors Dottore committed. It might even be the original, before he even had clones, meaning all the other Dottores also did this because they would share this memory.
The concept of a civil war against an archon seemed fascinating to me. The first part of Inazuma actually worked really well for me, it had the oppressive atmosphere and the conflict was set up...
And then nothing interesting happened. And Raiden Shogun was not held responsible for her misdeeds in any way, shape or form. This, to me, is the most disappointing thing. They could have written a fascinating, transgressive story... and instead we got a wet, dirty blanket.
Wait, Childe being antagonistic was supposed to be a twist? Are you sure?? They literally show the Travellor and Paimon refusing to trust him even when things were at their most peaceful thanks to his help, why would Hoyo have included that when theyre usually so hand-holdy with what they want you to think and feel about basic story beats?
Maybe im crazy but i genuinely thought that the point of the way things went with him was to shake up the immediate impression of the Fatui we got from Signora before it settled in too much by not being exactly what we expect in either direction. He openly acknowledges hes kind of a bad guy in our first meeting after all, and says during the betrayal that its our own fault if we didnt see this coming, but then he genuinely considers us a friend after the boss fight because thats how his mind works, and even being reminded that we cant actually trust him during the quest doesnt stop the interactions with him coming across as pleasant that feels more certainly genuine after hes still that weird kind of affable after a temper-fuelled boss fight of all things.
He specifically didnt feel like a friend unexpectedly betraying us OR an enemy from the start, but some secret third thing meant to be digging up the freshly laid roots of "all Fatui pure evil, kill on sight" without letting us even start to think that shes the exception and not the rule. They ARE bad guys, but not as moustache-twirlingly simple as one probably assumed after Signora's entrance
Theres aboslutely no way they destroyed every dottore, just the ones in sumeru, considering how many dottores there are
I think they did but i think some Dottores were just ready to disconnect and save themselfs before they died
hence that how we are gonna get playable dottore
Hé probably can just recreate
I disagree about permit in inazuma being bad. It reinforced how isolated this country is and more importantly, how upper class is opportunistically stealing from foreigners. It does go down afterward, though.
Dottore said he can just make more clones, so what you said about what we could’ve had with Dottore may still be possible. But, it also confuses me as to why they would erase all the segments and then just make more later. Like, why not just keep the ones that were already there.
Came in thinking you were gonna explain how badly they handled Childe in the final act but got genshins worst writing a tier list so here are my opinions feel free to ignore because it is long and probably wrong
No. 5, was it really a betrayal when we saw it coming the moment he outed himself as a fatui harbinger?
No. 4 Yeah Collei has been through a lot but what does Collei confronting or even thinking about Dottore accomplish actually? Collei is about doing what you can in the moment instead of stewing in the past. She's living her best life with anxiety being her greatest hurdle, she's moving on from her past. Making Collei confront or talk about Dottore is like constantly touching her when she keeps saying to stop, your not helping her and it doesn't develop her. Collei is there to represent the people Dottore fucked over and she doesn't need to go on some pointless revenge plot.
No. 3 We are literally left with the most problematic version of Dottore there is and I see him deleting his clones as an absolute win because he's not gonna get uwufied to become playable via 'misunderstood' segment BS.
No. 2 Inazuma Act 1 and first half of 2 are fine and decent at best while act 2 second half and act 3 is hot garbage ESPECIALLY THE SWORDFISH II arc oh LORD THEY MISSED SO HARD. The fanfic in my head is better than what actually happened.
No 1. I hard disagreed like I love Dunyarzad, I love the fact that she's alive. Your right that her death would have been fairly meaningful but Nahida getting a victory when she had a score of zero for the last 500 years is just as meaningful. Nahida was already at rock bottom when she was attempting to save Dunyarzad so I see her succeeding as a confidence boost when she had very little from centuries of being uncared for by the majority of her own people. Also your exaggerating when you say that the story made it seem like Nahida is a god that can do anything when again she was physically trapped in the Sanctuary of Surasthana for 500 years and needed outsiders to bust her out and couldn't prevent Rukkhadevata from deleting herself much less remember her. She gives the illusion that she can do anything through her dream abilities but once she's in the outside world she is rather vaunerable if it wasn't for her wit and fast learning abilities.
Also unpopular opinion, I thought Maquerade of the Guilty was fine. Writing is good, a bit too much exposition to the point that my emotional investment was a 10 out of 100 at that point so I didn't shed a tear like I did when I first played Sumeru which is how I based my enjoyment of the story quests. I just stopped caring about the fontaine cast in act 3. Surprised you didn't complain about Fontaine act 3 because it was like the samsara loop but poorly written. It was such a terrible follow up from highs that was act 1 and 2. The investigation was such a drag and the pay off unsatisfying.
Hey, thank you for the extensive comment! I'll try and respond to each point as well as I can.
5. Exactly. My point isn't so much that he's not introduced as a Harbinger, but it's that the story plays the reveal at the end that he's evil as a twist.
4. Collei doesn't develop in Sumeru tho. She's static. It's a very weird writing decision to introduce a character who is deeply connected to a main antagonist in an arc, only to have that main antagonist show up and NOT have an interaction with her. Having a confrontation with him would show how much she's changed since their first meeting. Not having a confrontation also means Collei is just... dropped. Like she's straight up forgotten about for the rest of the arc which begs the question; why is she here to begin with? Especially when other characters like Dunyarzad re-explain things like Eleazar.
3. The version if Dottore that tortured Collei was erased. I'm hard pressed to think that any other version is more monstrous than that. And if the segments essentially get erased as soon as they're introduced then... like... why do they exist? It's very clear they exist so the writers could make Dottore redeemable after what was written in the manga. So they decided to delete the character that did that to Collei while pretending that they still have the character. To me it's a cowardly and weird writing choice, when there's a ton you can do with the idea, regardless of whether you use it for a redemption arc.
2. We definitely agree on Inazuma. Lol
1. The issue with the idea that Nahida hasn't had a victory in 500 years is that, well, we didn't see that. We're told about it. The first time we meet Nahida is when she makes this big win. Which is why I say it's an odd choice, and goes counter to her arc of feeling worthless. She's able to accomplish everything she wants, basically. When I say she can "do anything" what I mean is that she has the power to accomplish any task. Again, we don't really see Nahida trapped that much in the arc. She's going all over the place, taking control of people's bodies, saving souls, etc. I agree that the stuff about Rukkhadevata hits, and that's why I don't think Nahida is completely worthless as a character, but it's extremely odd to me to start and arc off with Nahida winning when the arc is about her being unsure of herself.
And Fontaine is a LOT. I definitely need to release a video talking about it all soon, but it's definitely too much to chat about here. Lol. Again, thank you for the comment! And I hope you still enjoyed the video regardless of our disagreements. Lol
@@StrayMaverick3. I feel like the point was to make him unredeemable like idk if this is unpopular opinion but his introduction was amazing to me and basically showed how cruel the fatui are willing to go for their goal and getting rid of dottore clones makes him more distinguishable as THIS is him and your point about the one dottore that hurt Colleii (in manga is completely different from the build of dottore we see in game) may be gone but i feel to the game and characters see dottore and his clones as a person who in general is unredeemable and it worked for me and gave me no expectation of him being playable at least the one we know basically A. Plot point was good at establishing how cruel and conniving he is that he is so confident in himself that one dottore is enough to make more and other people and even his other selves are disposable. B. Not that great for a potential playable character.
1. Yeah nahida needed a scene like Furina’s where her suffering is displayed but I feel like honestly when we rescue her and seeing her inner world and her monologue feel tangible even if there should be more the whole scene with the mental wall stopping us from rescuing her and her inner thoughts that she probably had heard for centuries and how everything was quite even if doesn’t show the extent makes you atleast understand her pain even if it could be improved but like what are they gonna do show a scene where she floats in a green orb all day XD
Hard agree on 5, like screw that cliche of the npc character dying to make the protaganist stronger mentally bs, thats why ppl hated the teppei death, its so forced
I know it falls under "all of Inazuma" but I keep thinking how easily fixable Raiden issue is to me; line from one of her story quests actually inspired me that she's a save-able character. There was a bit about dango milk and the vender being scared that Ei will be angry about the novelty of it, but then she asks if he thinks that her idea of eternity is so frail that existance of dango milk can endanger it. I really liked it. Why couldn't we have had a story about this corrupted puppet manipulated by the fatui because of her old ways due to her old, old settings when Ei yeeted into her mind room. Story could be almost exactly the same, just focused on getting rid of the puppet, luring real Ei ouf of her realm and make her rule again (while taking over the puppet's body, since she doesn't have her own). Face what her years of inactivity caused, take responsibility and actively work towards bettering of Inazuma that she had let down. If we could have that Ei who really believes in eternity, and not a puppet who wants to eradicate any and every change, I wouldnt hate her so much, but this whole deal really makes me never wanting to pull for her.
One of my biggest issues with Inazuma except it being rushed is how so many intriguing plot points were practically wasted and had no clear resolve. There was so much potential for the entire Inazuma Arc to be one of the bests if not *the* best Arc in the entire game if they only tweaked out some parts and allowed it to fully grow.
Honestly I've never been a fan of character drama when it works it can be great but most of the time it's needless
People still make the argument that Scaramouche becoming Wanderer ruined a potential conflict with Ei but there relationship works better from afar
I don't think the story needs Ei clearing up the misunderstanding just like Collie coming to terms works better then traumatizing her for the sake of "development"
I kind of hate that most Fandoms have this senseless need to drag characters through some arc so we feel more compelled
Hoyoverse loves killing of NPC's already and after enough World Quest I'm glad they kept Dunyazard Alive
Just like Inazuma to me isn't as horrible as people say because the environmental story telling as you traverse is good.
if anything the only issue for me is after doing the quest reading the notes and speaking to NPC's is that we didn't kill Raiden
It's frustrating because for a lot of the characters were meet there already post development so of course in 2.8 Xiyan laughs at people mocking her. Of course Nilous quest is about someone going through similar struggles
But fans want "Darker" moments and I can say as much as Honkai fans prop up how sad that game is a lot of the work is post Death.
Himeko is tragic because the games spent ALOT of time AFTER her death to contextualiaze and flesh out her character but outside spectacle her death has zero weight(I assume Tingyum is going to get similar treatment)
TLDR I like these choices the writers made I know anime has trained us to seek out bleak stories and for everything to be narratively cohesive but I think you lose something when every character goes through a Sasuke clan Massacre
Also justice for Dori I'll take her being a money grubby gremlin over hot Waifu aby day and for the Kaveh lovers ... he put himself into debt Dori didn't want to finish the project he insisted
Regarding HI3 my sentiments exactly. Himeko's death is considered as the peak tragedy when before that chapter was there really that much given to her character to care for? It's more we feel for Kiana who has to deal with the guilt and depression over the event after feeling responsible for the longest time.
The Raiden thing is legitimately weird?
Also, fuck Dori, play Kaveh's hangout, even if she didn't place him into debt, she wanted to scam him into doing free labor.
I don't know what exactly you mean with 'environmental story telling', but, yeah, maybe it needs more differentiation. I personally loved the tsurumi island world quest, and tsurumi is definitely my favorite place in Genshin. But before 3.0 the story telling of world quests has been way better and was more interesting than the story telling of each Archon quest, with Inazumas Archon quest being in my opinion the worst.
@@yume372 So Environment Story Telling is what the setting conveys without being explicitly said.
So Monstade is very small with everything being compact and within reach. People would say Monstade has a Homely presence. It's nostalgic and comfy.
Inazuma in contrast is harsh and unwelcoming separated by an archipelago and Thunder Storm that aim at you as you travel
Dragon Spine get flack but it's memorable simple because at some point every player has experience there character dying from the cold. The moment you scream "Oh Shit" as you desperately try to find a Seele or Fire
World Quest are interesting they kind of show how because Characters are products they do impact how the "Main Story" is told if you play enough World Quest you'll notice how NPC characters are allowed to experience drastic changes.
Death is frequent and the cruelty and reality of the setting is alway made apparent.
Genshin being a live service helps a lot it allows for the kind of feed back that basically propels the next story. It's a double edge sword but Natlan being the Nation of War will test how far the writers are willing to go
@@salceds So when it comes to Raiden as you travel you'll meet NPC's and read notes that give context to the war going on in Inazuma the casualties and famine happening to the people.
Especially in Watasumi Yae and Kokomi look playful when they interact in Events but Ei royal screwed over her entire country with the decree and there's still a lot of tension
So the conclusion that felt appropriate was to kill Raiden and have the Commissions Govern Inazuma... which is why at the time I was a bit disappointed
As For Dori she made Kaveh do that labor for free and basically ensured some profit for herself but Kaveh wasn't going to be able to build that Libary without her Help
If it's between not having the Libary (Which remember the Academia literally limited Knowledge leading to the most of people of the Desert being Illiterate ) or no Libary
I feel like Kaveh would have offered anyway it's just in his character to help others even if he puts himself into more debt.
can you do a video explaining the converse? everyone keeps raving about the fontaine archon quest, but i was bored out of my mind the entire time. i just really want to understand what I'm clearly missing.
I broadly agree with your Dunyarzad point, what a huge tonal whiplash that was. The writers really are allergic to there being any kind of long-lasting negative consequences for any of their characters.
I think you're kind of missing the point about Nahida's power. Yes, her broken powerset would likely allow her to depose Azar and his cronies by herself, or run the entire nation through mind-control alone if she wanted to, just as a couple of examples. But Nahida's arc was all about overcoming mental barriers and insecurities that were holding her back from leveraging that power in meaningful ways.
Pre-AQ Nahida is a person trapped in their own head by feelings of inadequacy and uncertainty about which direction she should lead her nation in, or even if she deserves to lead the nation at all. She takes the easy way out and leaves that job to those that she feels are more qualified - and the very organisation which instilled those feelings in her in the first place - the Akademiya.
By the end of the AQ Nahida has the self-belief (and support from friends who also believe in her) to use her power without any fear of the consequences.
can't forget dotorres manipulation of Wanderer ne' scaramouche was even erased , by Wanderer himself, now he's just emo without reason lol
my biggest miss in the entire story is the Fatui as a whole. Just running all over all of creation committing war crimes and shit, yet there still fucking everywhere and tolerated .... like , wtf.
but yeah Inazuma as a whole the puppet shogun practically tortures all of Inazuma then the fight with Raiden happens and you get "oh she realized it was wrong and is sorry , we're all friends now" like ...... I'm sure kuzuha wasn't the only one to lose someone dear to them via vision theft and the war. It's all good now tho. granted it wouldn't have been easy to handle any other way but that's on them for attempting to make it such a heavy story, while still wanted everyone to love Raiden
If you ever did a video about Fontaine archon quest , here's my thoughts about it and some plot points that feel of for me :
Everything about Furina is perfect 10/10
But it has a lot of fillers, there are many points just got ignored in the end, characters like Childe and The Knave feels like side characters despise the fact they seem important
They were the center for two patches
Then became irrelevant, we didn't talk to childe and the knave did nothing important despise being the center character for fontaine since the teaser till 4.1
I find it sad how they emphasized her importance just to be pinched at the end
Focalors's plan depends a lot on luck and perfect timing, like what if the whale attack before the trail there's noway anyone can do anything before Nuvi returns his power and there's no guarantee that we will put her in trail in first place it was nuvi's suggestions and Focalors didn't interfere there , also Skirk said that it was her work to take the whale, and she was going to do it so how exactly the whale is the big problem and the main reason that the prophecy will fulfill what the connection between an abyssal power and a prophecy coming from celesta it feels an excuse to have a boss fight
also at the very end we didn't had a chance to talk to childe after being the main reason why the traveler was involved in 4.1 archon quest and destroy act 3 completely we didn't achieve the main reason for that act at the end it was meaningless
that the main things that bother me and I would more than happy that you can clear thing to me
One correction. Nahida is not just powerful all the time. In the fight with Scara, she has her gnosis so she is essentially super boosted. We saw that the gnosis was able to make samsara dream cycles in act 2 and that is essentially what Nahida used in that fight. She is still fairly powerful, but she is not even close to Raiden or Zhongli in terms of raw power without the gnosis. Great video otherwise! I basically agree with all of the picks here.
Gotta say I absolutely respect your takes and honestly a lot of them really coincide with mine, although if I were to bring a new argument to the table since you brought up Dunyarzad is that I think Xiao's rescue is actually one of the most disappointing plot elements. Why? Simply put to me I believe it was a pure showing of how unwilling Hoyo is at letting anything tragic happen to they're playable characters(at least in Genshin) and it entirely breaks any tension you could possibly feel with them in truly dangerous scenarios. Granted im obviously not for killing off characters without reason and that doesn't mean it's impossible for them to do nothing in the long term because they simply didn't sacrifice one character but at this point the evidence in recent times clearly shows. Collei is an excellent example, her Eleazar could have had potential to really be some kind of fear for us of her succumbing to it or Nahida's willingness to sacrifice herself in her second story quest but ultimately in the back of your head you'll always think "oh they'll be fine, they wouldn't" because they really haven't. Signora technically wasn't a playable character but that felt meaningful because it built up the real danger the Raiden puppet possessed to us as a player, as messy as Inazuma was concerned it had certain merits. So to put it simply, I think Xiao living was honestly just as much if not even more disappointing then Dunyarzad purely because it alienates any playable characters from any real sense of danger. On top of the fact that since then he hasn't really...changed much. If anything it's like he never had the experience at all. In a way I think it would've fit for him to be at peace that way, to finally be free of that karmic debt and protect others the way he always had before. Probably a hot take but I can't help thinking back to that moment and always blaming it for making me think twice about the real safety of a playable character, in this way it's almost like they'll always be untouchable from the game's world and I don't believe that's necessarily ok.
The whole point of Xiao living is to give him a chance to live the life his yaksha family always wanted to live and we see that now since he's become more willing to interact with others and participate in events. That's why his banner name is Introduction to Mundane Life. Going through with his near death would be a spit in the face to his family and completely validate his very self sacrificial mentally which is not good. Especially since he himself thinks that he shouldn't be alive whole everyone else he loved and who wanted to actually live out their lives have died. Xiao living isn't Hoyoverse telling us they won't kill off a Genshin character Xiao is just the character that doesn't need to die since it doesn't add to his story. Himeko dying added to her story and was bittersweet because yes while it's sad she's gone it shows how much she cared for Kiana and was willing to risk her own life if it meant Kiana could live on and find happiness. Xiao dying would jus validate hin being self sacrificial which is shown multiple times to not be good for him
@@chaoticbliss4169 While I completely understand where you're coming from, in normal circumstances yes I believe Xiao living realistically should open up a path for him to live the life his companions could not. But let me raise a counter question, since that questline what has Xiao surviving added to his character since it ended? Id say the most significance he's had has been through 2 limited time events and while granted ill admit his presence during that special get together with Hu Tao and the others was a nice moment I can't really say his presence felt...needed besides that? For the poetry event he was kind of trying but even then didn't really show any signs of willing to change unless asked to and in terms of permanent appearances was for I believe really only Baizhu's quest and he really just talked exposition then. Now I don't dislike his presence I would just like to see him show more signs of growing, which is entirely random because we all know how consistent Hoyo is at expanding on character arcs. Now, if his sacrifice really did happen imagine not only the lasting impact on us and the characters involved but what a selfish decision like that could really do for the long term vision of how we look at the characters and individuals in the game. Characters making reckless decisions like that can add dimension to them that we can't really fully understand even if it goes against others wishes like the Yaksha and to me I think that's also interesting, it's believable that sometimes the right decision isn't always made for the good of everyone's well being, Nobody ever wants to leave someone behind but there are times where it happens and he made that choice faster than anyone could think about it and was completely prepared to face the consequences. Do I think choices like those should always lead to a sacrifice? No of course not, but in his case it's almost like saving him put him in a similar state of limbo like Dunyarzad where he still exists but without any real purpose anymore, mind you not as dire but subtly similar. I know it's more on Hoyo for that issue but my thoughts on that still remain, I actually really appreciate your point of view on Xiao living feeling more in line with what his friends would've wanted but I just respectfully disagree that his death wouldn't have meant something either. It's always entirely dependent on how they write they're characters at the end of the day
I like that format a lot but don't think you can make us forget about part 3, Maverick! We won't let you run away from your responsibilities so easily!
the thing about collei, did you expect her to go 1v1 with dottore just for the sake of an encounter with him? Sumeru is about moving on from the past and i dont see how collei interacting with dottore would serve any purpose to the main story other than fan service.
Dunyarzad... Someone clearly didn't play Dehya's story quest. Also since when was Nahida shown to be all powerful? I'm assuming you thought that during the scaramouche cutscene but all she did was trap scaramouche in a samsara because she knew she couldn't defeat scaramouche in direct combat. Even the traveler couldn't if not for the power of friendship.
A character's whole set up being connected to an antagonist of an arc, only for that character to have zero knowledge or interaction with them while they're near them is like, a cardinal sin of writing. There's no purpose to Collei being connected to Dotorre then. Very clearly it was written this way in junction with the segments to delete the manga from existence.
Nahida can control minds, existence in dreams, trap people in loops, beat fake gods, look into the history of the world, etc etc etc. She's by far the most powerful god and I don't feel like it's close.
@@StrayMaverick we don't even know which dottore was responsible for the experiments. You're making it seem like collei being a dottore test subject is integral to the sumeru plot when it's just there as world building flavor.
My dude nahida spent 500 years in prison and it wasn't nahida that beat a fake god, it was the traveler with nahida's knowledge capsule buff. She's powerful but she's not even close to Rukkhadevata at her prime though she has the potential to surpass her in time. She has the child body type for a reason.
@@StrayMaverickI feel like Collei's story is more about trauma processing. The reason she never sees or mentions Dottore again is precisely to teach us that you can overcome trauma in your past. There was never a setup for her to meet Dottore again. The point is that she's trying to overcome her trauma from him. Her meeting or hearing from him again would only negate all the years of stabilizing she has been through.
And I have no idea how you got that idea of Nahida. All the powers you mentioned she either can't use to save herself or her nation, or she doesn't have that power at all. Like okay, she can trap minds. So what? The sages even managed to trap her mind at the end with the help of Dottore, making it impossible for her to do that telepathy and mind swap thingy. She also doesn't have the power to defeat fake gods, only the traveler managed to beat after like hundreds of tries with her help. And she only gained more resolve AFTER Alhaithems plan already started to succeed. Only after this does she realise how shit she has been treated.
I'm pretty sure the whole reason they come up with Dottore segments is to retcon manga and make Dottore morally gray. 😂The only segment who's left alive is Omega (who has nothing to do with what happened to Collei) and they already left hints about how he can be redeemed. Nahida tells him that he doesn't have any sense of belonging and he wasn't able to make peace with his past and other segments etc. He even agrees with her. This makes me think they will use it as plot device to redeem him and make him join us as playable character at some point.
Honestly great vid, im not going to beat a dead horse by pointing out the things other's have so let me add my own most disappointing plot point: I will NEVER forgive genshin for what they did to the chasm quest with Yanfei, Yelan, Itto, Kuki, and Xiao. I tell this to literally everyone i know bc I'm so upset about it, but i hate the fact they add Xiao to literally every quest. I can go on for hours but ill try to make this short before i get too upset lol i was genuinely excited and enjoying the quest, laughing at how highlarious the ragtag group was together and invested in the story wondering how these (mostly) normal people would escape, BUT then xiao showed up and its just like, oh so xiao is going to teleport everyone out, cool. Did anyone else hate that quest as much as I did?
I like Dori character. Genshin fan want evil character but can't handle Dori lol
I dont think you understood nahida's arc
I don't think you understand THESE HANDS! 👊 ✊️ 🤛
I am very surprised that Scaramouche redemption arc as a whole wasn't there in the video. The guy does multiple despicable things in the course of a few hundred years, one of them being ruining Kaedehara clan and still gets a free pass, his criminal record erased. Absolutely wild. One of the most blatant "he's really evil, but we have to make him playable" writing. And no, the sob story about how Ei discarded him and he lost his purpose isn't making him any more appealing, doesn't really create any sympathy. Because after that he went on a very long villain arc, it wasn't like he did one bad thing and then we fix him. At least the Traveller still doesn't trust the guy even after.
Ugh, those idiots again. If you don't understand his quest, just say so... sigh.
THIS. WASN'T. REDEMPTION. You're wrong, and you suck at media literacy.
maverick is keeping us FED omg
Just in time for Thanksgiving! 🥳
Personally I believe that we could replace any of the points that aren't about Inazuma with
HOT TAKE INCOMING!
Whatever happend during the last stretch of Fontaine,
Specifically what happend after the Narwhal dived back into the primordial sea:
Neuvilette somehow knew EXACTLY what we are facing.... how?
The complete lack of any empathy from MC towards Furina between them getting to witness the life of Furina, and the end of her story quest,
(Her story quest is another can of worms) Which baffles me because thus far, Traveler has been shown to be very empathetic throught the stories of the other nations.
It also felt as if they REALLY wanted to kill Tartaglia, but they realized they couldn't, at the time when everything was ready for his demise. Like his dive back into the sea was the most obvious deathflag I think I saw thus far in GI, also the knight we fought inside of the narwhale had movements similar to that of Tartaglia.
Pretty much everything about Skirk. I felt as if tho every word she spoke, undermined EVERYTHING that has been done to avert the crisis.
Oh? this world destroying beast? nuh that's just a weak PET of my master, no big deal.... Focalor has sacrificed herself for THIS?! Also she had possibly the most awkward lore exposition thus far in game, at the end. "I know only those very specific, enigmatic things and my master didn't felt like telling me anything more" oh SHUT UP, would you?
And then once again after everything ended, Furina got written out of the story completely, and mind you! The last thing we saw was her literally accepting her death, and we are like "Oh yeah, she will be fine :P"....
All of those things made me simply mad, at the very end of a story that could otherwise leave me speechless out of amazement, if not because of those issues.
There was so much missed potential with Tighnari and Collei that it's depressing. The two could have easily accompanied us in helping revive the forest and Collei's arc should have climaxed with confronting Dottore
But all the important wotld building was given to npcs and Dottore got thrown out the window 'cause reasons
My biggest peeve of the Sumeru arc was the Wanderer situation. Dont get me wrong, I’m all for a redemption, but my biggest issue was they had to go and erase all of his past mistakes from everyone’s memories. Like ok we get it, the tree of irmensul can change history or whatever but to take all of this emo twink’s atrocities and say lol lets just pretend it never happened by erasing everyone’s memories is the lamest excuse for redemption if you could even call it that. Redemption is all about facing the consequences of your own actions. It would have been great to see Wanderer actually put in the work to fixing those past mistakes. To struggle against his infamous reputation as well as trying to distance himself from the Fatui. The whole Irmensul thing basically give him an excuse to put 0 effort into fixing things bc people forgot about it.
His vision cutscene tho was amazing, i just wish it had more substantial character growth behind it.
i think the idea behind his arc is that it's going to be a long path to redemption, at this point he isn't actually 'redeemed'. i'm assuming mihoyo is going to drag it out over a couple years, probably with him first making amends to the descendants of the raiden gokaden first when he gets a story quest. his past getting removed from the memories of everyone he affected sucks, but mihoyo could potentially write his attempts at redemption to be hollow since at the end of the day no one knows who he is anymore. so he'll be trying to make amends for his past but it'll never be truly accepted by the people he wronged. i do think that the fatui now not knowing who he is does suck though.
i don't really like the college student arc myself, but that's basically event only so who knows how canon mihoyo will make it. hopefully his story doesn't get dragged out for years like some characters
Some rly interesting points I never thought about myself ! :00 Just wanted to drop some personal thoughts on it!
5) Not much to say, as Liyue AQ would've been the worst had Inazuma not existed. Genuinely Madame Ping came out my favourite character from it, since everyone was underutilised as characters +_+ However Childe is also someone who "helped" us a lot, so fighting him felt like: Meh, what makes you worse than all the Liyue characters who are accusing us?? You basically ended up the friend +_+ I do like how it shows his character though, and he had the biggest impact on me after the AQ; messes w/ppl, then gets messed w/; treats you like a real friend, but let's you know friendship would never get in the way of his work/goals (:
4) I do think they've managed to incorporate her rly well into the story from the manga in the sense you felt connected to her, and she had/developed connections w/the established characters, but I never thought about how they could push her character more, and confronting Dottorre would've been interesting for her. But Scara came to steal her plotline, and neither do anything about Dottorre so feel sorry for them both =_=...
2 (+3 kinda) My most disappointing moment in Genshin oc is Inazuma AQ. Best potential storyline, archon, and fatui involvement. Result: Worst of everything. Sounds silly, but I'm still deeply affected by Tomo and how the ppl of Serai & Watatsumi were treated, there's no closure. Seeing Ei still in power is a kick in the face, Kazuha feels like anything but an Inazuman citizen(ik he's a wanderer, but he still treasures his home), Signora there just to die, and pave the way for Ei (who although eventually reflects upon her actions, never actually has to deal w/the consequences of destroying her country) Oh and wow it's another harbingers fault!😃
I think Inazuma majorly impacted Sumeru for good and for worse. Better storyline, but this Fatui obsession is annoying. Made sense for Sumeru actually cz we knew Dottorre was going to be there, but he did nothing but made to look like a joke, and again, pave the way for more playable characters!
Which leads to Scaramouche who is also one of my most disappointing plot points in genshin. It's all Dottorre/Ei's fault, so he gets to be redeemed as if nothing was his fault! Entire backstory dumped into AQ's, nothing left to your own thoughts. Nahid looks like a fool for letting him off, as her 1st SQ is about NOT letting someone off for abusing their power harming others, even if they do have a tragic reason to do so.
1) Finally although I was relieved Dunyarzad lived, because she suffered so much, and now has the chance to do what she wants, and it's because of Nahida she got to, you make an interesting point of it also backfiring and making Nahida look flimsy, in the sense that she can save everyone. And the better emotional payoff of her dying. Personally for me, although Sumeru had a rly strong starting arc, whatever they did to sort the issue just felt wrong, and it ended up becoming underwhelming. Actually I'm quite against the way AQ's are delivered as opposed to WQ's, i don't look forward to them anymore sadly, but uh, it's the little gem's like Thelxie's story that keeps me invested storywise.
I don't get your gripe with Nahida's powers. That wasn't ever really up for discussion. At the time she had the Gnosis and she was still the Archon. Yeah, she's going to be "powerful", and despite being locked up, she spent the last 500 years experimenting with her powers. The only thing she couldn't do was leave. She knew damn well what she was capable of and absolutely "deserved" it because she was literally born to be that way. Her weakness, in terms of powers, is also justified due to lack of faith in her specifically. That's not something she could overcome at that point and there was no plot designed to try.
Cinematics - 10/10
Music - 11/10
Story telling - 6/10
I can never click with the story despite the world building having a pretty good history and plot.
Hard disagree on Nahida point. You are so adamant on her power, the point of her story isn't to show that she is a powerless god but made powerless by her own people. Also her struggle was her loneliness and her feeling of uneeded. She was able to access Irminsul and it's OP power because she had two gnosis, also with Rukha's will to erase herself. We did get to see her struggle of loneliness and the feeling of uneeded. The story did not have to show the player more of how vulnerable Nahida was, because our emotion can understand it enough that being trapped in a cage after your birth is horrible. Her power to get around people's dream wasn't really there to show that she was perfectly "capable" and therefore she was fine, but rather something like her coping mechanism of her loneliness and and to show that she was really vulnerable but she is also still a god, her will is that of a god. Despite being betrayed by her own people right after she existed in the world. She herself learned who she really is, learned about the world, learned about her people, and learned that she has responsibility and tried her best to fulfill that purely out of her kindness. In the end, she gained her freedom and was able to overcome her loneliness and her inferiority feeling of being lesser due to her own people threw her away. Its not much as she was powerless really. Gods can be vulnerable emotionaly, but they are still a god.
You got Collei right and the Inazuma one didnt even go to any specifics, like how Ayato was used to explain bad plot points months after they happened. 1/5 is a failing grade
I said that I need to make a video dissecting all of Inazuma! That should at least give me a 3/5!
Inazuma seems like a copout esp after you speedran what was wrong with it, so: The way the 4.1/Jailtime! Archon quest could have been cut in half and it would still be full of filler. Really weird filler. Yayyy time managements simulator. And very obvious 'mysteries' (Except the pipe cleaning. I only knew that the noises weren't cannibals, but did not expect tri-monthly pipe cleaning)
We could have been *with* Childe and fleshing out the companionship between the Traveler and him, as well as just his general character, being with him making these weird ass rumors, and understanding *how* he got into *and stuck in* the Primordial Sea, and generally "Childe why are you following the voices???"
Re- Dottore and Collei: To be fair, the one who experimented on Collei wasn't Dottore but his subordinate Barnabas, so any of the copies can be held accountable since in their death scene and dialogue, it implies they all converse to come to decisions and conclusions and would therefore all be behind saying 'yeah go ahead' to the guy.
And Collei already got closure about Barnabas. Diluc, Amber, and maybe Kaeya I forget beat the shit out of him, he got arrested by the Knights, and then kidnapped by Dottore for failing and 'disposed of'. Amber already helped her past her main character point in the manga: After being betrayed by the last experimental subject still alive, she thought "I will never reach out to anyone again."
So I feel like her inclusion in the game as a PC wasn't to press the story forward and/or inform us about Dottore's evilness+, but to let people who read the manga know how little girl who went through and ultimately overcame hardship ended up, since it ended with her leaving Mondstadt with Cyno looking to a brighter but very undefined future.
+ We get that with all the notes around Sumeru about him being an utter psychopath. Murdering via strangulation a girl/woman while on a late-night picnic because no one else should find out about the ruin golem? Finding a 'cure' to Eleazar that was basically making some poor guy Frakenstien's monster from his friends? In the archon quest, his messing with/murdering Kabukimono's friends, and then doing experiments on Scaramouche that actually scared him so much doing them was a threat? The fuck my guy, I know you have 500 years of zero morals science for the story to catalogue but calm down.
dunyarzad not dying was so boring but it gave me hope that melus and silver were gonna revive by the end of the fontaine archon quest...
Childe being a villian was never need to be foreshadowed because
A. He never hid his identity
B. We already knew what the fatus were after at this point
So Childe being a Villian wasn't a question of Will he? But rather when will he? The traveller was never caught off by that reveal more like waiting in expectation.
I don't see the Problem with Collei. He Diagnostic didn't really matter as i think it was at the end of act 2 or so that we know that Elezar cannot physically be cured by normal means and act 4 shows why that is the case so her diagnostics and treatment never going to be oart of it because it would've been meaniles at the end of the day alongside Dottore's notes, even he could not do anything but slow ot down at best and as much as i like Collei this isn't her story so why do you want to traumatise her even more. These are called Archon Quests for a reason because they're focused on tge Archons more so tgen characters themselves.
How is leaving the worse possible one alive the bad choice, left to his own devices he would've done it himself. He just needed an excuse to get rid of them plus i dont up think he can get rid of the original one not to mention he just casually preludes to creating more of them.
A. Dhunyarazad wasn't dying the dream became of Elezar.
B. It was more like she would've died if the dream had continued, when disappears she wasn't dead her mind just threw her back into a her own dream because it could not continue existing without it's source which was getting weaker by the second. Nahida just tried to keep her brain alive toll we go release the dream otherwise she would've died which would've shufted Sumeru's tone alot more. Nahida would've lost almost all of her confidence rhat instant, like this even starts showing during the ginal loop, if she had died actually Nahida would've just shut down. During the last loop too she just drops everything enough to tell us what to do unsupervised meanwhile she leaves in hopes that there still might be a way to save Dhunyarazad her only stan
2 uploads in a month? You are too good to us
I’m glad with how Fontaine’s story was handled and I think it might be a turning point with the tone and quality of the Story to come. Let’s hope they don’t drop the ball like they did in Inazuma.
to be fair I believe the erasure of clones was most likely just a temporary thing to currently appease nahida to give the gnosis away. The way dottore was set up I have no doubts he can just flatout recreate new clones and we might perhaps see one or two going rogue on him after discovering the erasure fiasco, which would make sense as a playable character.
I honestly think the biggest hinderance to any hoyoverse story is its adherence to the gatcha system. Lack of characters with flaws? If theyre too unapealing it'll isolate a core audience that might try to pull them. Lack of villanous characters? All character design resources are needed for playable characters, they're not gunna make a custom model and animations for someone you can't even buy. Lack of drama between characters? Characters need to be able to within the constraints of the lore agree to work with the traveler and other characrers on a playable team. Does a character have no purpose whatsoever? Money.
I love this game, but it is sad to see it struggle within its monetization system.
While nowhere near "the worst", I'm fairly disappointed in Arlecchino so far.
While there is still copium fueled hope that she is putting up an act, Arlecchino, much like Dottore, had the potential of being a true monster. She had amazing build up as someone who grooms children into secret agents and the voice lines from Childe and Scaramouche sold her as a plain evil bitch.
What we got is... intimidating but nice "dad".
I will keep on huffing my copium until the end though.
yea, I think Arlecchino was perfect
I feel like thats the whole purpose of her character though, a wolf in sheep's clothing. Don't we even have other fatuis explicitly calling her that? The writers are tbh pretty obviously trying to make us build trust with her only so that she can heartlessly shatter it when we have a conflict of interest. In this specific case there was 0 conflict of interest between traveler and arleccino.
@@arber7240 that's what my copium is, yes. I'd love to see that but I worry if the writers will just stick to the "loving father" routine.
i never really understood this line of argument about arlecchino. just because she's nice and cordial doesn't mean she's not still grooming child soldiers to do the fatui's bidding.
she can be as pleasant as she wants but at the end of the day she's still taking vulnerable children who feel indebted to her, taking advantage of how indebted they feel, and sending them out to be her soldiers. if anything, she's always been shown to us as morally grey. she'll likely continue to be morally dubious. it would be unnecessary for her to fall into the "hero" or "villain" camp.
Genshin has a few problems when it comes to story.
1. Redemptions: who should get them and what the arcs actually are.
2. The Fatui and the Abyss, the latter BARELY comes up despite when personally important to the Traveler and the Fatui, I swear, have actual plot armor.
Honestly yeah if Dunyarzad had her dying would been interesting plot point. Like imagine everyone learns about timeloop and if it ends she will die. Like imagine if everyone trying to convince Dunyarzard to not do it. Only for her commit ultimate sacrifice to end the loop.
The erasure of character drama I think was because of the CCP banning evil stuff xdddd
Dottore did say that deleting the clones was just a minor setback and could always make more
I can argue that Traveler didn't trust Childe from the moment he said he's a Fatui Harbinger
The reveal about "betrayal" isn't really a reveal Traveler only play along with childe to clear his/her name, and he simply has the info that the traveler needs and from the moment we met Ningguang, Traveler said to her (It was him isn't ? ) And she agrees, implies that the two of them knew that childe is most likely behind all this
then when we went to investigate about the Fatui, it was obvious that the Traveler never trusted Childe and when Zhongli said that something off Traveler immediately explain to Paimon that it 100% Childe starts moving, and they know where he headed
when the "reveal" happens, Traveler was never shocked about it.
The real disappointment was "Zhongli's reveal" as the Geo Archon it was obvious from the beginning that he's someone important, and the game hints more than 5 times about it, so when the traveler was shocked about his identity I was like "what? What you mean, your shocked about that!"
Damn I just got done watching the star rail xianzhou video and BOOM new upload
Great video, I agree with most of your take, especially the last one. It's so disappointing that all of nahida character development is all for nothing since it turns out that she has always been the god of sumeru all this time, all the feat and wisdom of RKDVT is transferred into her making it that she basically didn't learn anything from the previous act since all of that was retconned by irminsul if i remember correctly.
One person who deserves to go on this list is the unknown god. I believe the last time she was mentioned by the traveler is Inazumas interlude (correct me if im wrong) It's like she was forgotten by hoyoverse altogether
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP COLLEII!!!
I was expecting that there will be time on sumeru AQ where Collei with help from Tighnari or Cyno will face Dottore. Even tho perhaps they will lost, I think the interaction will be really interesting.
I'm SO glad someone else sees how silly they handled Dunyarzad. They had such a mature, beautiful and emotional approach to her character growth, and death. I was so proud of Hoyo for being mature about it and highlighting just how deadly Elezar is. But they brought her back to life and I was kinda pissed, lmao. Threw all that out for nothing.
I dont see being mature=kill character, thanks to the fact that Nahida was able to save Dunyarzad, she was able to finally believe in her strength and begin to act. if Dunya had not survived, Nahida might never have recovered from the feeling of her powerlessness
I don't always agree that maturity = death, but I don't think that death should be shy'd away from when it's in service of characters and the plot. Nahida having to deal with the fact that she couldn't save someone is also so great. It allows for a more in depth look at her powerlessness. Instead, we see her first feat as one where she's able to save a soul from dying, and then we're made to believe that she doesn't believe in herself. It's a weird choice
1000000% agree. I was very, very confused why they decided to save her and then do nothing with her later as well. Even more of a reason to kill her off. Lol
@@F1ash1056Couldn’t agree more
@@StrayMaverick Nahida has been feeling useless for 500 years, and she also could not stop the beginning of the loop itself, and could only count on the main character, she herself said that she cannot be a real archon if she cannot even save her only believer during her own holiday , I think she definitely needed this victory, an impetus to the fact that she could still help people
r.i.p. for Melus & Silver in Fontaine who will probably stay dead 😢
I don't think so. I hope they'll stay dead, sure, but I'm like 95% certain that Navia's story quest will bring them back
@@meias. I also hope they stay dead. I feel like the growth Navia had after their deaths would be meaningless if they just came back.
I’m so tired of there being no stakes most of the time and when there is it’s resolved cuz “traveler saved the day! Crisis averted!”.
There are too many happy ending for everyone. It’s bland.
Well dottere there is still potential sense there is a theory that there are two dottore left the original and the segment in sumeru
Genshin biggest problem is tell don't show all the interesting stuff are hidden in game lore and dailuges but we never see them in front of us in the main story
Dottore feels like the biggest fuck you for me. They really dont want evil antagonist at all
*clears throat* FURINA DESERVED BETTER
So I just saw this, and I'm looking forward to your opinions on the Fontaine Archon Quest!
SPOILERS AHEAD for anyone that hasn't played it:
Personally, one of the worst plot points in Genshin is how everyone treated Furina after she stepped down of the role of Archon. Not only she was never thanked for her 500 years serving as one (except for a brief Focalors message), but she's now basically a common person who now feels less important story wise than other characters like Navia, Lyney or Chlorinde, who are of course heroes, but haven't faced an inch of what Furina had to.
It's hard to sum it up in one YT comment, but I can't help but feel that she deserves better. She showed great resolve throughout half a millennium, actually BECAME the Hydro Archon (because people thought of her as it) and managed her duty excellently except for one little mishap: not being able to stop the prophecy, which we find out to be INEVITABLE anyways!
And now you're telling me that a character who was that skilled, that smart and cult, that loved and THAT important to a whole nation for so long, can only become a film director while the traveler and Paimon mock her?
Sure that's what she "wants" right now... But would some praise hurt?
Xiao should have died in the Chasm too.
Personally think collei should've been in dunyarzard's position
It would move Dehya's introduction to the desert but it would really make that part of the story feel more cohesive
THANK YOU I 100% agree with everything you said!
The whole plot around the unreconciled stars event is retrospectively kind of disappointing, as Hoyo treats it, like it never happened. So this whole plot point about the "false sky" went just nowhere, up until now, the end of Fontaines Archon quest. Like, they altered even Scaramouchs dialog in Inazuma for everyone, who didn't play the event in 1.1. And Wanderer has no voice line about "the false sky" or "about Mona".
honestly one of my top most disappointing plot points were the trials. i expected to actually have to argue against sceptic crowd that has already condemned the defendant or some interesting twists and turns but then you just present a different theory and everyone immediately buys it as the truth. lyney said he didn't hear the noise? sure, we're just gonna treat what the defendant said as actual evidence in court. and then the second trial where they accuse childe even though it's pretty obvious he didn't do it and he wasn't even framed with damning evidence?? it felt like i was playing an ace attorney imitation that completely missed the essence of the series. i get that they probably wouldn't be able to make the trials last as much as aa ones without making a lot of people groan but it still could've been done better.
Azar, man i want the plot let us play Cyno and fight Azar 1v1 and Azar can be mini boss fight in the final act. I want him to atleast fight more than just a boomer.
I gotta disagree with the 1st point. The whole time I saw Childe I thought "when do I get to kick his butt" and to think otherwise showed a lack of understanding narrative
Oh I don't have an issue with him being the antagonist. My issue is the story acting like it was a revelation at the end of the plot. Lol
I agree 100% that Dunyarzad should've died in that arc, but I think the writers needs her to be alive so they could give Dehya an interesting character arc in her story quest, I am not gonna lie it was interesting to see what they did with her in Dehya's story quest, but she was far from necessary she was there to set up the "Twist" but then they just abandoned the whole thing so they could give Dehya's character more depth and worked very well I think Dehya's character had an actual character arc and growth of any character in Genshin in a story quest and the set-up for part 2 was so intriguing
but while it was working very well to Dehya's character it was far from necessary for Dunyarzad and if she wasn't in the quest the "Twist" would be more complex and put Dehya in bigger dilemma, but I think they waste it
I think Dehya's story quest one of the best story quests in Genshin history yet Dunyarzad was a useless part of it, I understand that they needed her alive for that story in mind, but I don't respect it and I think it would be better if she wasn't part of it
I really want to hear your thought about Dehya's story quest after this 👀
I am curious about your thoughts of character development 🤔
Idk I wouldnt say the clone erasure was too bad considering if Dottore has made them before he can probably just make more no?
Ja odnoszę do takich momentów i egzekucją Furiny. po temu momentu już się chce przepisać temat genszyna nie do poznania.
As these moments,i classificate Furina's execution. After that moment i want to rewrite genshin plot beyond recognition.
Nah Hoyoverse will never make a villian playable or kill a playable character. If they do that the kids will cry and attack the story writers and send death threat to their house for killing their favorite pixels
Idk why you're under the impression that this version of Dottore is "good" or "gray" or "not the most evil one." It seems pretty apparent to me that this is truly the most evil Dottore. Bro erased his own clothes, tortured people, killed people, and used people without a hint of remorse. He's not being redeemed. It's just not happening. He's going to die, just like Signora.
Do we know this one has tortured or killed others? It seems he's not the one who tortured Collei too. I'd bet a lot that he's getting at least 50% redeemed. Lol. Also, Wanderer killed people as well. Genshin has redeemed characters like that before.
I recommend reading the manga so you could give Collie's character No.1 in this list as the most disappointing Plot Point in Genshin's History
because it well deserved :(
I don't know if Fontaine was as good as people think. Of course Fontaine had the highest high. But this is from someone who just replayed ONLY the Archon Quests in a new account. I kid you not, as enjoyable act I, II, V is; I absolutely dreaded Fontaine Act III and IV. As a whole, I would still put Sumeru > Fontaine. Sumeru didn't have the highest of highs, but it also didn't have the lowest of lows.
Dunyarzad should have died 100%, just like Xiao should have died too. How did they have TWO Deus ex machina moments in a row!? They just so happen to both be the ending of my two favorite archon quests too. It wasn’t enough to ruin those quests for me but definitely soured the moment.
Well Xiao definitely wasn’t dying since he’s a playable character but yeah Dunyazard can go tbh
@@Pacerig Playable characters SHOULD die. Otherwise there’s no stakes. I still feel that so far there aren’t any stakes in archon quests. Also other Hoyoverse games do it, why can’t Genshin?
I get why Xiao didn’t die because his whole thing is that he’s survived for so long after everyone around him has died. Leaving him to suffer and bear the curse alone. But also that could make for a good point in saying it’s finally his time to rest. Also we don’t have enough shock value moments in Genshin. I know sometimes they are cheap, but there’s like none in Genshin.
I actually really like Dunyarzad as a character so it would be quite sad to see her go. But I think it would have left a lasting impact on me. Really showing the stakes.
Don't really agree with any of those. They all seem "there was a really 2 dimensional plot they could have run here but I'm mad because they went with a more complicated one."
Ahh yes, that's exactly what I was saying. Great use of brain power there, literal tub of ice cream.
Imma be real, I think a lot (not all) of your disappointments just boil down to you have specific sensibilities when it comes to what makes a good story (as everyone has), you not fully understanding every aspect of the story due to not getting into lore through texts and world quests (which is fair enough), and you making weird assumptions about the future plot (which I don’t fully understand tbqh) and has little to do with the actual quality of the writing or execution. Which is all fair, these are just opinions, so ultimately no one is “right,” it’s just interesting to see different perspectives lol
I mean, a disappointment is based on expectations, so obviously this is based on my sensibilities. But I read the lore and world quests (I have 9 hours or recaps on this channel) and which part of this is based on the future? I specify why the thing was disappointing in the moment. Sure, some of it impacts the future, but that's not why these are bad to me. Lol
We got nilu and dehya as playable characters but the charger I think should have as a payble should be duniyazard. Just remove her npc face to a decent character face.
The reason why i loved Act 5 of Fontaine was because we got to meet Silver and Melus and got to know them and then they died. Should've happened to Dunyarzard. if you can't kill Playable characters Hoyoverse, kill the NPC's that are relevant to the plot and give them some reason of why we should give 2 sh*ts about them."
For Me Fontaine was a let down making Furina just a victim that did nothing but play her part while everyone turned toxic with Neuvillete getting all the attention it would make way more sense for a Furina to meet focalor then later regain atleast part of her divinity both from themeatic perspective and the story one.
Hoyo making Travler brain dead and flip flopping bettwen trusting and not trusting Fatui in fontaine was also bad.
You can technicly say "Genshin was writen by Kishimoto(the mangaka of Naruto)"
Can't stand Inazuma, the only thing that caught me there is, surprisingly for many people, Teppei. Like, I didn't give anything about characters presented in main story except for Teppei. He was my main motivation to not die from overall dullness of Inazuma and just go beat some asses.
Inazuma's everything sucked.
It started off SO damned well, everything was built up for an amazing part 2 and (logically) part 3...but then almost nothing happened in terms of story? Sure the plot moved forward, but no story was told. Multiple plot points just never mentioned again and a useless character death of some unnamed mook we knew for 5 minutes before feeling "oh swo swad" about him dying...who cared?
Legitimately, who cared about that nameless mook?
Inazuma started as my favourite story! However I lost all interest on the ending and sure a few things were un interesting but I too find Fontaine and 4.1 beginning quite boring
Complete retelling of Sumeru when?
Enkanomiya and Enjou were the best part of inazuma, and they had nothing to do with it.
I could listen to you talk about how bad Hoyoverse is all day 😇
Leave Dunyarzad alone!
The whole Dunyarzad thing annoys me.
- If you're going to torture someone with Eleazar, but will not commit to kill them - use Collei, who people care about lot more.
- If you're going to have a tragic victim of the Samsara & Eleazar to finish off - use a stand-in like Dunyarzad.
they did neither. It felt like a lazy cheap cop-out or a decision forced by the CN censorship body.