Is the Canon R6 REALY better than Nikon Z6ii at focusing?
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- The Nikon Z6ii and Canon R6 are very evenly specced in most respects but the Nikon autofocus is criticised and the Canon's lauded. Is it just fanboys loving the R6 and hating on the Z6 ii or is it really than bad. A Nikon shooter takes a look
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Taylor Jackson who uses both the R6 and Z6II professionally answered a comment - "which camera do you prefer".
His answer was, for photo R6, for video R6, for photo and video the Z6II.
interesting!
@@mattrichardsonsclickbait Matt - is there a difference between the 1080p between the two cameras. I shoot HD a lot for social media.
After watching your review, it looked like the Z6ii focused very well most of the time as you moved in and out of the scene outdoors. Add the bit extra megapixel at 24mp of Nikon z6ii vs. 20mp in R6 and the better out of camera color of the Nikon, shows the Nikon is a much better value. Only when you had you back to camera did Nikon miss focus a bit, while the front shot with your face moving around screen was no problem at all. Canon may have only slightly better focus but the difference is very minor in my eyes. The value of the Nikon z6ii really shines as do many of its features!
No
The white balance in the Canon was way off.
Thanks for the review. Looking forward to Nikon’s firmware upgrade in September as it has rumoured focus enhancements. While the Canon focusing is currently better, I have no doubt Nikon’s updates will catch it up
A great comparison.
Im a diehard Nikon fanboy.
I just bought a NIkon Z6ii
I'm hoping that after the Z9 settles down Nikon will give us better AF.
New firmware updates for the Nikon Z7 II, Z6 II will be coming September 2021
Better tracking and focusing overall!!
Im hanging on in for that - if it doesn't deliver than Ive made the decision to sell my D750 and get a R6.
I think alot of us are now waiting to see what that does
@@mattrichardsonsclickbait I’ve shot 25 weddings now with 2 x Z6iis and the focusing has been awesome. Only running in to issues in very dark situations after the first dance about 9.30 onwards! It’s much better at focusing than my d750
@@GeoffKirby Try adding a small video LED light on top of camera and dim lighting in the reception should not be a problem.
@@adrianvanleeuwen great idea which ones for you use?
For the panning shots with the Nikon if you just use AF-C Wide Area Small you'd nail just about all the shots. The thing about the Nikon AF system is you really have to know what modes to use for what situations - if you do you can shoot just about anything.
If you are someone that just wants to put it on tracking and forget about it then the Canon has the edge for now - that should all change once the Z9 is introduced and that tech trickles down to the 3rd generation of Z cameras.
Thing is Iev owned the Z6ii since February, and had a Z6 for a year before and have tried every focus mode coupled with AF-C and its never done well and panning or cornering shots, something I do several times a week, and which is actually what prompted this test.
Although I like the Nikon more, the Z6ii was meant to be the last chance for the system, Im not sure I can wait for the next generation however long that might be
We’ll see it soon.
nikonrumors.com/2021/07/12/nikon-z6ii-and-z7ii-firmware-updates-with-new-real-time-tracking-rumored-to-be-released-in-september.aspx/
@@mattrichardsonsclickbait maybe try the native 70-200. Deadly accurate in my experience shooting sporting events. It was kind of unfortunate you didn’t have native lens for both, I don’t see how you can really make an accurate comparison.
@@lilnape2604 Yes, this is also true.
@@mattrichardsonsclickbait LAST CHANCE? C'mon, everything continually evolves and so will the Z system.
Very interesting as a Canon man since the late 80s . I would find the swap over hard and very expensive, but as a mirror less , they both need work . Very good video sir 👍
The main issue is the lenses zoom and focus the opposite ways which takes a lot of getting used to!
If you're already with a brand the adapters work incredibly well and the latest models like these have made huge leaps in every regard since just a year ago and make credible alternatives to DSLRs now, but the Z8/9 and R3/1 will be the big hitters later this year
Interesting comparison, thanks for putting in the time. Only thing I kinda wish is that you had the native Z mount 70-200mm when shooting the cars. I don't know how much difference it would make, but it feels a little skewed to put a native RF lens up against an adapted F mount lens.
Fair point, I couldn't get hold of a z 70-200 but from what Ive read theres not a lot in it, in fact Ken Rockwell felt the Z was slower focusing than the F. The FTZ has lenses work as is they were on an F body, so I decided it would be a fair comparison.
It’s a big difference.
I’ve used the vrii the fl and now I’m using the Z.
Yes,sometimes it does seem slower but it’s worlds apart when it comes to tracking.
The Z70-200 beats all my lenses in regards to tracking.
The best flip screen system Fuji has on its X-T2, -T3 (not the T4) and some of the GFX models, it’s like on the Z6, but you may also flip in portrait mode direction, what is a huge advantage. I do no vlogging, so I prefer the Z6/X-T3 screen flip far over the R6 or T4 one, also because of risk of damage is far less than Full flip&tilt style. If I ever start vlogging, I’ll get one of those DJI Osmo (or how it’s called, hope I spelled it correct) things…
Absolutely Outstanding Video, and great effort, Mate! The Video comparison midway through, outside in the bright light, was uncanny, the way you repeated each move and gestures, in the side by side comparison! I think your assessment is fairly spot on.
Let’s face it, there’s no perfect camera out there, and there ‘ain’t” ever gonna be one! Nikon is a proud but arrogant Company, sometimes stuck in their ways. Canon has TOO many Bean Counters, and tries to be innovative in the strangest of ways. And Canon’s Packaging is ridiculous. All that plastic and few items, but comes in a big box. They will double wrap their Rf to Ef adapters, yet wrap a several thousand dollar camera in a thin piece of ‘foam paper!’ Asinine! You HEAR Me Canon! Other UA-cam creators have made a point of mentioning this.
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Thanks, I did try to be as fair as possible, if only because I was thinking of switching brands!
Ultimately I found the Nikon so much nicer to use that the slight AF advantage wasnt worth it
Just working through your videos Matt, I didn’t realise you'd started a photography channel too, found it when watching the Range Rover review on your other channel. Really nice work and hope this is as successful as furiousdriving! All the best.
Great comparison Matt, thanks! Having just purchase a Z6ii, I found your video very balanced and accurate. I've shot Canon, Sony, but mostly Nikon, and I love aspects of all of them. I wasn't planning on getting a Nikon mirrorless due to all the YT negative hype, but in the end it was the best overall complete system for me. The AF is almost there, BUT it is quirky for any fluid and dynamic environments. Yesterday at a beach shot I couldn't get even the pin-point in AFS to focus where I told it to, which was odd. In general in AFC Wide/Eye, it does a phenomenal job. I personally miss terribly the vari-tilt screen of my RP. I take many vertical and odd angled perspective shots and I feel so limited without the variable screens... but understand the veritable arguments of others. Thanks again... I think if Nikon doesn't fix their AF via firmware soon, the Sony A7IV will clean house... and I will probably go Canon, though I will greatly miss Nikon's colors.
Im waiting to see if the rumoured AF update in September is true and if its got Nikon to a good level. Otherwise Im selling my D750 and buying a R6. I just think its a camera more suited to the work I now do - fadt hybrid content creation. Fast reliable AF is the number one feature I crave.
great to hear you liked it, I was trying to be as fair handed as possible, and since releasing this Nikon have announced a big firmware update due September so that will be the decider for me and many others
@@mattrichardsonsclickbait Concur! It’s obvious the z6/7ii aren’t yet taking full advantage of the dual Expeeds. If they don’t vastly improve their af I will prob jump to the A7iv when it hits or the next iteration of the R6 (more than 20mp). Nice to have amazing options!
Chad Cohoon, wow, some contradictory things in your comment, dude! Like, what it is, like ya know 😆 😮 😂
Excuse my ignorance here as I do not own nor either have I used either camera but I saw a review by Slanted Lens. This was a second review of the Nikon Z6II they did because they found a feature in the camera that puts a frame around the subjects face and holds the tracking within that box. In their 2nd review they concluded the Nikon was as good or better than other (similar) cameras because of this feature. Just wondering if this would have any bearing on its performance that we might be missing?
Thank you very much for your review - fantastic information 👍
Ive used that and it does work very well, in fact in portrait stills photography I really cant fault the Z6II and haven't found the issues others claim, its moving subjects I find it struggles with, and low contrast in low light, but we shall see what the big firmware update does soon
Thanks for the comparison
I was waiting for the Sony A74, but can buy a Nikon Z6ii with 28-80mm f4 lens for $100s less than preorder Sony A74 body only 😳 🇦🇺 (R6 also cheaper)
Would love to see an update comparison with latest Z6ii firmware 🙏
Z6 ii - Recording interrupted error IS your SD card. You need a faster card. I had the same issue and put in a faster card. Problem solved. This is written in the user manual.
Im using ones at the speed they say
Thanks very helpful - Im a Nikon shooter who probably is going to buy a R6. Canon has just added video backup to the R6, this is so important to me.
Question: how do you find the stabalisation from 35mm upwards on both cameras.
the stabilisation is superb on both cameras, obviously have used the Z6 more but have hand held at very low speeds with sharp results
R6II user here. The real advantage of the flip screen is that you can shoot waist level looking down at it in portrait.
As for things buried in menus, the camera isn't well optimized for anyone or anything out of the box. That's part of the reason they have the "custom menu" that lets you put some things on a single screen. You also really need to configure the EVF menu. That's where a lot of that stuff is meant to be and manipulated.
After watching the entire comparison, I was honestly shocked you would even consider the R6. The video and stills from the Z6ii looked better all day long. Focus shmocus. The zeds do just fine. Even better after September
And agree 100% with your Flippy screen assessment.
@@ChrisMosner hello sir, do you recommend me to buy this? I'm a film graduate, wanna do photography too. Should I buy it? Or should I go for R6?
@@Neil_Hasnat Get the Nikon
@@Neil_Hasnat hope you didn't listen to this guy. Go with the Canon. You can fix colour, noise, etc. What you cannot fix, is focus & Nikon cannot keep up with Canon when it comes to AF
@@alwynsmit3546 I purchased a7iv last year 😃😐
great and thorough review, I have a 5d Mark III, time to upgrade.
get R5, if you got budget
Matt's dad dancing video! As someone who can't afford either it's still interesting.
Nikon colors look much better
Just casually sitting here waiting for your Z6ii review or more camera videos in general !
very good details explained. well done! thanks
It's crazy how many things Nikon is better about, but it falls apart because of shaky AF. Hopefully, they improve a lot with new FW in September.
It is crazy that a Nikon Shooter who knows the System better Made a Review and is pointing Out the "better" things on the Nikon. I used both Systems and canons is way better in usability
@@airb1976 in your opinion*
The Nikon has a much better way of switching between photo and video and the build quality is a step down on the R6 from the R5 while Nikon uses the same build quality throughout the line.
You also have the flip out screen that is nothing but an annoyance for any real photographer that doesn’t take selfies. The tilt screen is ergonomically much better for photography, as most real pro photographers (not talking about you tube “vloggers”) have mentioned.
Interesting video, Matt! Excellent comparison
Thanks, Im still torn, I know the R6 will track fast subjects better but do prefer using the Nikon
@@mattrichardsonsclickbait but how often do you need to track fast objects?
@@mattrichardsonsclickbait having a seperate screen could also be useful, I believe Sonys latest android phone is specially dedicated for that. Of course with Sony camera's
That mirror - alike UV-lens on the R6 changes everything
I do not own either camera. Watching because I am thinking about going to mirrorless. Know one shooter with a Z camera who says he only uses the 'look at me' when he has a recorder plugged in. I have met one Canon shooter who bragged about his 'floppy out' screen - until he managed to snap it off on a bird shoot. Of course, not covered under warranty. Maybe a point off for the Nikon screen, but put it back on because it seems to be sturdier.
huh interestingly as a nikon shooter, i found nikon to be more accurate or meticulous in terms of what the scene is supposed to look like whereas the canon seemed pleasing and what I want the scene to look like
What Cards are you using that stop your Z6ii recording? Make sure you're using UHS-II SD cards or CF Express cards the slow cards may stop your camera from recording because it can't write fast enough.
CF Express, XQD and a very fast Lexar SD
How have you found the auto focus on the nikon since the latest firmware update?
I AM ALSO A NIKON SHOOTER....
BUT NIKON CANT BEAT CANON IN FOCUSING !
I am a Z6 shooter from the outset.
Autofocus; l think they both great the big difference being algorithms for wildlife.
Body; the Z feels sturdier & is so well weather sealed but the R6 chunkier more comfy to hold.
Features; R6 so much more customisable in smarter ways just took some getting used to.
Colours; l always felt Nikon had warmer nicer colours than all the other brands till l mixed up my images in Lightroom being convinced the warmer shots were my Z but the were the R6.
Fv mode; once you really get used to the R6 Fv mode you will never use another mode except bulb.
Flip screen; a must for portrait style on tripod otherwise prefer tilt screen.
Lenses; both great lenses but the Z glass generally a lot cheaper.
Overall; after 6 months using the R6 it just smarter camera & more enjoyable to use.
Am l a convert; looking like it see what Nikon do over next 12 months need to get some longer lenses out & get some wildlife algorithms happening.
Very interesting, good to hear you were happy to make the switch. Im not too worried about the longer lenses as I rarely use more than 200mm but have longer F glass for those days. You are right about the Canon customisation, it seems endlessly changeable although the Nikon feels more right straight out the box. If they could sort out the AF speed on the Z6 version 3 they'd have it nailed in my book
@@mattrichardsonsclickbait being into wildlife l need more than speed need the recognition of a animal or bird but otherwise l think too much is made of the autofocus issues as apart from wildlife l think it great. There are quite a few great features almost hidden in the R6 menus after 6 months l think & hope l finally know the menu backwards. You can actually map 3 different autofocus buttons single point, face & eye detect & subject tracking with or without eye & face detect. You may wonder why but for birds it is magic & to be able to set a button to put screen to sleep straight away love it, l just enjoy using it more & more. I do enjoy the equipment so the more custom the more fun.👍
Thanks Scott thats very helpful. Im a D750 user who's not yet convinced a Z6II is going to be my next camera.
I'm now mainly shooting for hybrid social media content. The main feature I want in my new camera is fast easy to deploy AF especially in challenging lowlight situations. The R6 ticks so many boxes for me
*Excellent AF
*Flip screen (portrait vertical )
*Video backup
The huge miss tho is no video/photo switch and no custom video settings.
Thats the missing features that the Z6II has that im worried will slow me down on hybrid work.
My first choice of lenses would be the 35mn and 50mm f1.8 followed by a wide adapted lens.
@@markshirley01 this is what makes camera wars so difficult as there never a perfect camera as one brand always has something you need that the other doesn’t & for you the perfect camera would be a blend of Z6 & R6.
stick to the DSLR, especially when adding FTZ adapter, the focus is not good for sports
We need a camera that mix the best of both, im a Nikon Z6 user I hope soon Nikon match Canon autofocus.
Because in a lot of other things, Nikon is better than Canon.
This isn't an answer to your choice problem but have you considered a Sony ZV-1 for Furious workshop videos. Could well solve your focus problems. The 4k quality is very good.
I've used a ZV1 - this was when I realized how useful reliable AF was.
they've just released the ZEV-10 which Ive been looking at for that purpose, it could be ideal
@@mattrichardsonsclickbait Yes, fine but it's bigger and more expensive and you get into the spiral of potentially a new system with the interchangeable lenses etc. To get the wide angle and similar large aperture costs a lot and the lens would be much bigger. The ZV-1 is "handy like the non flippy screen RX100 variants. Call it a GoPro with extras if you like. If you noticed, MS Hubnut was using Ian's little DJI Osmo Action Camera to film at Unexceptional with rather good results. You were still having minor focus problems there.
Super useful video, thanks!
At least here in my country, the R6II is at least 400 dollars more expensive than than the Z6II. Which is ridiculous since the Z6II is just as capable of a camera if not better.
This is pre-firmware update right?
Is that a problem of my iPad or is the audio sometimes out of sync or even totally off? However, thanks for comparison!
Possibly the iPad, didnt notice it playing back here
Canon video here looks absolutely crap!
I honestly thought the same thing.
Canon video always does
Have you ever tried "interval timer shooting" on the Z6II? My setting is A, auto ISO up to 51200, over 1000 shots. I have a random issue, first 10 to 20 photos are overexposed (totally white) then it shows exposure back to normal gradually.
No, not yet, Ill try that and see what happens
What a surprise, another review that shows Canon beats Nikon when it comes to AF. Nikon needs to ask Canon to teach them how to get AF right
It won but not by as much as along of people claim, and the Nikon is nicer to use
19:45 still in focus and AF speed is obviously set on slowest and after that Canon keeps background in focus.
I think the takeaway is neither is 100% perfect, and as both will succeed and fail at different times a video could be edited to show either as the winner. As a Nikon user I wanted it to come up as good and blow away the internet fan boy noise, but ultimately the Canon was a bit better overall
@@mattrichardsonsclickbait "in the end it doesent even matter" becuse both will to the job just we need to adjust ourself according to the camera we use. It nice review/test although 😁
If money was no issue, would you switch? Of course you would? When one has invested thousands in lenses for a specific brand, switching is too expensive... Then you trying to convince yourself that "your" brand is the best...
If the brand is no longer working for you then yes, Ive done well buying Nikon lenses when alot of guys left for Canon years ago, but at this point when I have one body that needs upgrading already and only 3 lenses in the new eco system, its less of a big step
The standard profile video samples totally shocked me. It really was a huge surprise. Based on everything I saw online, based on my experience owning both R6, R5, Z5 and a Z7II, I would've questioned that did you probably make a mistake and put the banners reversely. In all my experience using these bodies Canon seems to always be the warmer one, more magentta and easier on the skin tones where as Nikon tends to be cooler, with a more whiter white balance. It matches reversely to what you've showed. But anyway for these two you can't go wrong with color science on neither anyway.
Nikon eye focus doesn't work with wild animals. It is bad in animal photography. I sold it for a r6
What about 100Mp?
Not on the R6
Wondering why Nikon won't add a fully rotating screen like Canon back screen. It there a copyright/patent issue? If not, Nikon will win over a lot of users if they add one to the next version of the camera in a Z6iii.
no patent that I can think of, but they were reluctant to give a folding screen at first too
Nikon has a rotating screen on my D5500 and the Zfc, so they can do it.
Honestly, I prefer the tilt screen over the fully articulated, at least for photography. Makes waist-level shooting an absolute breeze.
Now if only Nikon would make the screen also tilt in portrait mode, a la Fuji XT3.
@@jooyoonchung3593 Wang Chung Dude, you simply flip out the screen, and tilt it, not that hard! Easy to do waist level shooting. I do concur with you on tilt screen for stills, but when one needs to do any video, or vlog, the tilt/rotating screen is a bonus. Peace
Nikon is better..and image and color
can you just upload on 4k already goodlord...
Fuji colours are best? Tried a Fuji?
I have an XT 10, great camera, terrible focus controls! I want to try the new ones
They aren't, unless you want that filmish look. Realism, Nikon everyday of the week.
The Nikon is more cropped in because it actually has a slightly smaller sensor than the Canon.
It‘s 0.1 Millimeter on each side 🤔 I doubt it would make such a difference
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Sorry. You are too Bios'ed
I thought that was fairly even handed, a Nikon user prepared to accept its not perfect based on real world professional use, but not believing the hype of how great Canon is or that Nikon is terrible
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