Delta does not have the 777-300 ER in its fleet. Never has. The 777-200 ER, yes. But those aircraft were retired in 2020. Delta flies the Airbus 330 and Airbus 350s
@@dalecooper9942 This could be a honest mistake, meaning 767-300, but I left the video when I heard " Delta could be waiting for the Boeing NMA" What a joke!
Not sure holding out would get Delta a better deal with Airbus. The A320 family backlog is about a decade now (most of which are A321 Neo variants). They can sell every plane they make. Boeing are the same. And no there is no MoM airplane being developed by Boeing. They have explicitly said, no new aircraft types until the 2030s aside from those already in development (737-MAX 7 and 10, and 777X). Also as others have pointed out Delta do not have 777-300ERs
Delta has 93 321NEO's on order that I'm sure they have the option to upgrade to the the XLR version if they deem they have the need for it. It's mostly a strategy issue that they are not that interested in long-thin transatlantic flights from their east coast US hubs. They funnel such traffic through the partner JV hubs at CDG/AMS
Delta retired the B777 at the beginning of Covid in 2020-2021. Shift from the B777, no to it. (1:55) However the second half of your video is spot on. Reliance on the Skyteam network to distribute long-haul customers through hubs and cost benefit to refurbish a 20-30yr old 757 that has no replacement in terms of diverse capability within the network are both true, as is the customer preference to fly twin-isle aircraft on trans-oceanic flights.
Delta has 29 A330-900 with 10 more on order, preference for wide bodies instead of narrow for extended routes? According to my search it has a range of 8290 miles. The XLR shows range of 5400 miles.
Great video - the only risk I see for Delta is given the current production woes of Boeing - Delta may miss out on getting A321XLR delivery slots before the 2030s in case it changes its mind on the plane
I think they're stubborn on their Boeing 757-200 as the Airbus A321XLR is not even close to it since the aircraft is designed differently so I think the only way for Airbus is to renegotiate their contract to make it a better deal since Boeing isn't in no hurry for a mid size aircraft.
@@zacherius137 where do you get that? At max take off weight, it can fly 800 miles further than the 757. No way they would have to cut down on seats to do the same range.
Delta's hand is full of B757 as has 111 of them, so why must jump to buy???The real reason is this or either DELTA may want to serve itself in the EXTENDER ROLE in attaching A321neo-XLRs to the world fleet.
They will need to replace those 757's eventually. I don't really get why they don't want the XLR as it seems the closest we will ever get to a 757 replacement.
@@1EnZBosS1in range yes but as far as performance goes it doesn’t compare. Delta uses their older 767 and 330-200 for their overseas flights. They have the Neo as well so there’s no real place for the xlr😊
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 the versatility of the 757 to land and take off on some shorter runways. They don’t have the awful gtf p&w engines to deal with on the 757s either. They’re proven and they have a more useable load. There’s a reason why even the 321 Neo has a whole different load plan than the regular 321. Those extra fuel tanks definitely will alter the amount of cargo/weight that can be used on the plane. Delta has its 767 fleet for the shorter long haul flights as well the 757-300 being in their fleet with more capacity on routes around that 3000-4000 mile range.
@@TrentonThomas627 but Delta doesn’t need to land and take off from short runways. Besides, the XLR needs the same runway at MTOW, but that would give an extra 800 mile range. So when you fuel the XLR for the same range as the 757, it does much better in regards to take off performance. It’s a myth that the 757 does better, because people only compare MTOW, which is comparing apples to oranges. Also, unless you need the range, the regular Neo or the LR can handle most of those trips. The big thing is the $7000 per hour operating cost versus $12000 per hour. You can almost send 2 aircraft for the same price as on 757.
That might be the perception but whenever there are mass injuries and death in unexpected turbulence events, it’s typically a widebody over a large body of water.
Hello from a fellow LDD agent yes I agree, it is hell if any airbus neo aircraft isnt full enough or is to full either balance critical or payload optimized 😩
The 321xlr, the flying gas tank version, of the 30 yr old 321 is nearing approval by EASA. But will the flying public approve 11 hours on single aisle equipment with 2 loos..
A321XLR has been already approved by EASA. "Flying gas tank" claim is just laughable. Is Delta flying their 757s by fart power? How many hours are the passengers staying in a more cramped 757 with worse cabin pressure?
It should not be forgotten that Delta has a significant number of A321s on order. I would have thought it inconceivable that Airbus wouldn't allow them to 'upgrade' at favourable terms. They might not have been so favourable if they wished to downgrade to a cheaper variant. You also have your slot secured at a lower cost, as the deposit is based on a percentage of the purchase price (good for Delta's books). Or quite simply, it may not be required for their ongoing business model plans.
@@DaveP-uv1ml people were “thinner back then” you say. That has nothing to do with this. A single isle airplane, the isle is just as wide as a twin isle on a wide body. The seats are the same on a narrow body as they are on a wide body. So as a passenger, there is absolutely no difference at all, except that with a twin isle, you could walk in laps I guess, when you stretch your legs, but most people stay in their own isle anyway.
@@DaveP-uv1ml Airbus has improved A320. For A321XLR and all A320 family cabin altitude is now set to 6,000ft. In 737/757 it is 8,000-8,400ft. 787: 6,000ft A350: 5,500ft
Delta still gonna fly their 757 and 767 for another maybe 5 more years or so in the future they might replace it with the A330 Neo or just the Normal A321Neo
Delta’s strategy seems illogical. The new Boeing plane is still over a decade away from entering service. Meaning for the next 10 years or greater the A321XLR will be the best fit for that size
The XLR will only work for Delta if the intention is to go head to head with the likes of United and its global network. Don't see that happening. The 757 routes you mention are low demand routes that Delta would be better off utilizing the alliance network for. The 321neo is the best replacement of the 757 domestically. Domestically, Jet Blue would probably be a prime candidate for the XLR for competition on the JFK and BOS routes to Hawaii, the Caribbean and Europe.
The reason why Delta and even United (although I think United may now have an order for them, not sure) is the fact that its actually not an efficient aircraft. Despite its range, its a gas guzzler and its more expensive to operate than a 757. The problem is that there are no 757's in production and the newest of the 757's is over 20 years old now. Should Boeing be able to develop a new plane any time soon (actually, they have an aircraft that will most likely be an NMA in early development stages and fortunately not under a portion of the company effected by the current issues) it will effectively undercut the cost of the A320 by 25%. Problem is, it probably won't be offered before 2030.
This whole video lost credibility attesting g when you mentioned DL using their 777’s on long range flights. They dumped their triple 7’s at the beginning of Covid. It’s been years. Do a little better research to be credible.
A 'cheap' A350 has masses of flexibility with little engine concerns whilst a premium priced A321XLR is pushing the limits in every-way and might not be 99% engine safe!
Delta, you need to choose AIRBUS A321neo only than xlr because of uhhh.... Hmmm.... Did you set it to American Airlines that order 50 AIRBUS A321xlr for the future.
Sorry for the wait!
Delta does not have 777-300ER!
AMd they retired their 777-200er's and lr's so I doubt they are buying the 777x.
He ment 767-300er
Robo AI poorly edited
They do…
@@bjb1016 They don't, they used to have the 777-200er and 200lr but they were retired in 2020
Delta does not have the 777-300 ER in its fleet. Never has. The 777-200 ER, yes. But those aircraft were retired in 2020. Delta flies the Airbus 330 and Airbus 350s
Ah, thanks for the feedback. Thats a mistake…
And 767s
Delta just has too much emotional connection to the 757
Exactly 💯 😆😆😆
the 757 can do things the 321 xlr cant like take off from high el airports on very hot days
And the 757 can takeoff and land on shorter runways. I don't think the A321XLR can do that.
The flying pencil,though old, still kicks ass. It can get off the ground , using half the runway, with the thrust it has.
Rightfully so
Delta doesn't have 777. Do you even know what you're talking about
they did have the 777...
@@ROC-NY-TrainsPlanesElevatorswe had the 200’s not 300’s and we sold them off during Covid
@@dougmitchell20omg I know that
Yes, check your work.
Let’s be honest, 90% of the flying public doesn’t care or know what they’re flying, haha
True😂
90%? I’m even sure it’s closer to 99% tho
Left the video once I heard him say delta had a 777-300er
Exactly. This type of mistake shows the video is inaccurate in content
@@dalecooper9942 This could be a honest mistake, meaning 767-300, but I left the video when I heard " Delta could be waiting for the Boeing NMA" What a joke!
Yes, likely meant 767-300. As that would make the rest of the statement accurate.
1:55 What are you actually talking about? Delta doesn't have any 777s, of any type, in it's fleet
Not sure holding out would get Delta a better deal with Airbus. The A320 family backlog is about a decade now (most of which are A321 Neo variants). They can sell every plane they make. Boeing are the same. And no there is no MoM airplane being developed by Boeing. They have explicitly said, no new aircraft types until the 2030s aside from those already in development (737-MAX 7 and 10, and 777X). Also as others have pointed out Delta do not have 777-300ERs
Delta has 93 321NEO's on order that I'm sure they have the option to upgrade to the the XLR version if they deem they have the need for it. It's mostly a strategy issue that they are not that interested in long-thin transatlantic flights from their east coast US hubs. They funnel such traffic through the partner JV hubs at CDG/AMS
How will they be able to put pressure on Airbus who has their books maxed out for this decade??
They are thinking about the customer who wants to fly 7 hrs in narrow body
lost me when you said Delta is using 777s. obviously you don't know what you're talking about.
Can't wait until all these bogus AI channels disappear
Nothing AI about this.
@@Aviaat1 sure 🤣
Without the XLR, DL will cede long haul secondary routes to UA. Many of these routes can't support a widebody.
I agree sounds like a good move especially since the xlr is a niche product. The 321 neo is good enough then why buy the more expensive one?.
There are no B777-300ER in Delta's fleet
THEY HAD IT BEFORE
@@leng3001They NEVER HAD 777-300ER! ONLY 777-200LR and 777-200ER! PLUS, THEY RETIRED THEM IN 2020!
@@leng3001”BEFORE” not anymore
@@GarlandTexasSpotter2024 jeez
@@GarlandTexasSpotter2024 Alr CHILL I DONT WANNA FUCKI* ARGUE WITH U
delta never had the 777-300ers plus they retired their 777-200lrs yrars ago
video has way to many old facts or incorrect aircraft types
Widebody can fit more cargo containers. That is the strategy.
Delta retired the B777 at the beginning of Covid in 2020-2021. Shift from the B777, no to it. (1:55) However the second half of your video is spot on. Reliance on the Skyteam network to distribute long-haul customers through hubs and cost benefit to refurbish a 20-30yr old 757 that has no replacement in terms of diverse capability within the network are both true, as is the customer preference to fly twin-isle aircraft on trans-oceanic flights.
Delta has 29 A330-900 with 10 more on order, preference for wide bodies instead of narrow for extended routes? According to my search it has a range of 8290 miles. The XLR shows range of 5400 miles.
Delta 757's are getting up there in age sooner or later they will have to replace it. Boeing mid market aircraft its not coming anytime soon.
Delta doesn't fly triple 7 300s
This channel needs more reach! Its way too good for this little audience
Great video - the only risk I see for Delta is given the current production woes of Boeing - Delta may miss out on getting A321XLR delivery slots before the 2030s in case it changes its mind on the plane
I think they're stubborn on their Boeing 757-200 as the Airbus A321XLR is not even close to it since the aircraft is designed differently so I think the only way for Airbus is to renegotiate their contract to make it a better deal since Boeing isn't in no hurry for a mid size aircraft.
The XLR can do everything the 757 can do, for a lot cheaper operating cost.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183nope. It can’t. The XLR can only do the range the 75 does when it cuts down on seats considerably.
@@zacherius137 where do you get that? At max take off weight, it can fly 800 miles further than the 757. No way they would have to cut down on seats to do the same range.
They do not use any Boeing 777 in their fleet
They did. 200LRs & 200ERs, got retired on 2020 tho due to Covid
Delta's hand is full of B757 as has 111 of them, so why must jump to buy???The real reason is this or either DELTA may want to serve itself in the EXTENDER ROLE in attaching A321neo-XLRs to the world fleet.
They will need to replace those 757's eventually. I don't really get why they don't want the XLR as it seems the closest we will ever get to a 757 replacement.
@@1EnZBosS1in range yes but as far as performance goes it doesn’t compare. Delta uses their older 767 and 330-200 for their overseas flights. They have the Neo as well so there’s no real place for the xlr😊
@@TrentonThomas627what performance on delta 757 routes can’t the XLR handle? The answer is, it can. And it does it a lot more efficient.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 the versatility of the 757 to land and take off on some shorter runways. They don’t have the awful gtf p&w engines to deal with on the 757s either. They’re proven and they have a more useable load. There’s a reason why even the 321 Neo has a whole different load plan than the regular 321. Those extra fuel tanks definitely will alter the amount of cargo/weight that can be used on the plane. Delta has its 767 fleet for the shorter long haul flights as well the 757-300 being in their fleet with more capacity on routes around that 3000-4000 mile range.
@@TrentonThomas627 but Delta doesn’t need to land and take off from short runways. Besides, the XLR needs the same runway at MTOW, but that would give an extra 800 mile range. So when you fuel the XLR for the same range as the 757, it does much better in regards to take off performance.
It’s a myth that the 757 does better, because people only compare MTOW, which is comparing apples to oranges.
Also, unless you need the range, the regular Neo or the LR can handle most of those trips.
The big thing is the $7000 per hour operating cost versus $12000 per hour. You can almost send 2 aircraft for the same price as on 757.
Frequent Flier passengers don't like narrow-body airplanes for Long Flights
Wide-body airplanes are more stable during Severe Turbulence events
That might be the perception but whenever there are mass injuries and death in unexpected turbulence events, it’s typically a widebody over a large body of water.
I can tell you as an LDD agent we plan loads and the weight and balance of those planes are horrible alongside the A350
Hello from a fellow LDD agent yes I agree, it is hell if any airbus neo aircraft isnt full enough or is to full either balance critical or payload optimized 😩
I had to look when this was released cause it's been years since the 777 was used by Delta and they never used the 300 variant. Only the 200.
The 321xlr, the flying gas tank version, of the 30 yr old 321 is nearing approval by EASA. But will the flying public approve 11 hours on single aisle equipment with 2 loos..
A321XLR has been already approved by EASA.
"Flying gas tank" claim is just laughable. Is Delta flying their 757s by fart power?
How many hours are the passengers staying in a more cramped 757 with worse cabin pressure?
It should not be forgotten that Delta has a significant number of A321s on order. I would have thought it inconceivable that Airbus wouldn't allow them to 'upgrade' at favourable terms. They might not have been so favourable if they wished to downgrade to a cheaper variant.
You also have your slot secured at a lower cost, as the deposit is based on a percentage of the purchase price (good for Delta's books).
Or quite simply, it may not be required for their ongoing business model plans.
Flying gas tank comment is just silly. All airplanes have fuel tanks.
Single isle is fine. Nobody complained about the DC8, 707 and 757.
@@DaveP-uv1ml people were “thinner back then” you say. That has nothing to do with this. A single isle airplane, the isle is just as wide as a twin isle on a wide body. The seats are the same on a narrow body as they are on a wide body. So as a passenger, there is absolutely no difference at all, except that with a twin isle, you could walk in laps I guess, when you stretch your legs, but most people stay in their own isle anyway.
@@DaveP-uv1ml Airbus has improved A320. For A321XLR and all A320 family cabin altitude is now set to 6,000ft. In 737/757 it is 8,000-8,400ft.
787: 6,000ft
A350: 5,500ft
They have 100 757 in service they will be just fine
Delta still gonna fly their 757 and 767 for another maybe 5 more years or so in the future they might replace it with the A330 Neo or just the Normal A321Neo
Good for them........good decision...Boeing...wake up and give us a new 797
Boeing’s ‘new’ aircraft should be ready by year 2035 maybe???
But then another 10yrs to get approvals as it's a Boeing aircraft......
Delta’s strategy seems illogical. The new Boeing plane is still over a decade away from entering service. Meaning for the next 10 years or greater the A321XLR will be the best fit for that size
More Airbus XLR for the clever airlines 😊
Aer Lingus have ordered 6 x A321 XLR
The XLR will only work for Delta if the intention is to go head to head with the likes of United and its global network. Don't see that happening. The 757 routes you mention are low demand routes that Delta would be better off utilizing the alliance network for. The 321neo is the best replacement of the 757 domestically. Domestically, Jet Blue would probably be a prime candidate for the XLR for competition on the JFK and BOS routes to Hawaii, the Caribbean and Europe.
They waiting on hope for being and this will lead to increased prices
Delta has orders of A321XLR
No it doesn't, it has NEO orders but not XLR
The reason why Delta and even United (although I think United may now have an order for them, not sure) is the fact that its actually not an efficient aircraft. Despite its range, its a gas guzzler and its more expensive to operate than a 757. The problem is that there are no 757's in production and the newest of the 757's is over 20 years old now. Should Boeing be able to develop a new plane any time soon (actually, they have an aircraft that will most likely be an NMA in early development stages and fortunately not under a portion of the company effected by the current issues) it will effectively undercut the cost of the A320 by 25%. Problem is, it probably won't be offered before 2030.
It’s really poor video with an exceptionally analysis. I like these sorts of videos, but Aviaat is a channel to block.
What, why?
Delta doesn’t have, and has never had, 777-300er planes. The second that came up on screen, the credibility of this video goes to zero.
they had 200er it was just a mistake man
This whole video lost credibility attesting g when you mentioned DL using their 777’s on long range flights. They dumped their triple 7’s at the beginning of Covid. It’s been years. Do a little better research to be credible.
this video is an AI production clearly 😂😂😂😂😂
I stopped watching after he said 777-300ER 😅
No more delta
No one cares if the A321XLR is not the right fit for Delta. “Horses for courses.” That’s the rule.
Love Delta. Still never going on a Boeing.
You'll not be going many places with them then I guess given the number of 717, 737, 757 and 767's they operate
W DELTA (you should probably look at my name)
Fake AI voice.
Thumbnail a 350
Yes because they don't have an A321XLR i could use in the thumbnail? Thats what the video is about
This is what's wrong with UA-cam.....complete crap!
I only fly Boeing 🤷♂️
Soon as he said Delta had 777-300ER...✌🏽 won't be subscribing. Channel has zero credibility.
Delta is woke!!!
Can u guys stop saying DELTA DOESNT HAVE A 777 IT LITERALLY DID BUT IN 2020 THEY WERE RETIRED
They had it “BEFORE” meaning delta no longer has them
What a bullshit!
hahaha
sounds like bull to me ......
Watch your language...
A 'cheap' A350 has masses of flexibility with little engine concerns whilst a premium priced A321XLR is pushing the limits in every-way and might not be 99% engine safe!
first pls pin
Delta, you need to choose AIRBUS A321neo only than xlr because of uhhh.... Hmmm.... Did you set it to American Airlines that order 50 AIRBUS A321xlr for the future.