Just how GOOD was Franck Ribery Actually?

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    How good was Franck Ribery actually? #GOAT
    New episode of a documentary series where I plan to present all the greatest players of all time and then give them a score so a ranking of the best players can be created. In this episode we take on Franck Ribery who played for Bayern Munich, Marseille and Fiorentina for most of his career, not only one of the greatest attacking midfielders of all time but one of the greatest players of all time. See how Franck Ribery ranks and just how good he actually was.
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  • @brandao76
    @brandao76 3 роки тому +460

    I still feel sour about him not winning the ballondor he was just magical in his prime truly underrated and under appreciated

    • @philipthomas8928
      @philipthomas8928 3 роки тому +51

      The ballon dor has no value in my mind cause even when they repeatedly gave it to cr7 and messi(2 of the best of their generation) there were times Ribery, Snijder, Xavi all deserved it more than them

    • @brandao76
      @brandao76 3 роки тому +24

      @@philipthomas8928 Iniesta aswell but yea ur point is very valid

    • @diablejambe3460
      @diablejambe3460 3 роки тому +30

      honestly, the ballondor lost all merit and credibility in my eyes when ribery didnt win it in 2013

    • @playboiclarti9166
      @playboiclarti9166 3 роки тому +2

      fax

    • @jackpuccini3143
      @jackpuccini3143 3 роки тому +5

      I know, I really wish he had won it in 2013...like Sneijder in 2010, with the separate awards by France Football and FIFA rather than the merged award, he would have won it, which makes it all the more frustrating.

  • @Woolfie902
    @Woolfie902 2 роки тому +81

    Ribery in his prime was the best winger along with Robben, together they shaped an era at Bayern. Ribery was an excellent dribbler, gave countless assists, scored when he needed to and was incredibly strong defensively too.

  • @joseantoniozunino8489
    @joseantoniozunino8489 3 роки тому +237

    Ribéry Is still OWNING the Italian league at his 38 years old with a mediocre at best squad and yet, you rate him 7 in longevity and adaptability? Lol... His dribbling should also be a clear 10, you just can't do what he does if you aren't perfect at dribbling. Dude had a traumatic childhood and still made him to the very top, he decided not to have any surgery to fix his scars, he carried Bayern and was always there when needed, his mentality should be a 9/10.

    • @diablejambe3460
      @diablejambe3460 3 роки тому +9

      not sure about his mentality. not saying hes mentally weak but he always struck me as a guy who needed absolute confidence from his coach.
      obviously this helps all players but some can only truly perform at their peak when this is the case. like i think ronaldo would just say "fuck u" and go out there and perform even if his manager has zero confidence in him whereas ribery needed that.
      maybe an 8/10 would be more appropriate since he was a fighter and didnt just give up if his coach didnt fully trust him, but just that he couldnt really be his best if he didnt have the complete trust of the coach. (and yes, i know theres not that big a difference between 8 and 9 lol but whatever)

    • @lexkanyima2195
      @lexkanyima2195 3 роки тому

      @@diablejambe3460 he is like Platini and Zidane

    • @osielblanco5101
      @osielblanco5101 2 роки тому

      A living legend

    • @teedepefanio4974
      @teedepefanio4974 2 роки тому +6

      @@lexkanyima2195 nobody is like Zidane.. just like nobody is like Ronaldinho... some players are literally so unique, comparison is impossible. Zlatan is another one... totally unique.

    • @teedepefanio4974
      @teedepefanio4974 2 роки тому +9

      He did well for Munich, but some call it team 'hollywood', they are all stars.. one dude doesnt carry that.. players like Lahm, Kroos, Shweinsteiger, Mueller, Robben; Gomez...
      And you're saying Ribery carried them? Not even close.. that was a team effort and when all cylinders were pumpin, that was one of the most loaded squads I've ever seen...

  • @hitanshsharmanf
    @hitanshsharmanf 3 роки тому +96

    Should've won the Balon D'Or in 2013.😔

    • @albertorodriguezfernandez5956
      @albertorodriguezfernandez5956 2 роки тому +5

      100% agree. He was robbed.

    • @mehmetaksoy7376
      @mehmetaksoy7376 2 роки тому

      Just like sneijder, iniesta and xavi many players through out the years has or have been robbed 🤷‍♂️

    • @alexpaulino1513
      @alexpaulino1513 2 роки тому +1

      Ronaldo clear that year. 66 goals

    • @rwholemilkisgood5050
      @rwholemilkisgood5050 2 роки тому +6

      @@alexpaulino1513 do you know what Franck ribery did that year?

    • @theodoricboahen8709
      @theodoricboahen8709 Рік тому

      ​​@@rwholemilkisgood5050 And in with stacked teams he played? Dude, he became 3rd after messi. Robben was as good if not better than him. But he definitely wasn't any better than cr7, nor messi. His argument for the award is cause he won more instead of individual brilliance. That Bayern side was magic and France was always a stacked team.

  • @gooner72
    @gooner72 2 роки тому +69

    He is one of the very few genuine real proper contenders that never won the Ballon D'or, purely down to the fact that Christiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi have been in it at the same time as him, which is a real shame.

  • @johnnyedelhoff5866
    @johnnyedelhoff5866 3 роки тому +68

    The last game for Bayern's other legendary No. 7 Mehmet Scholl was a friendly match against Barcelona. It was a very emotional moment when Scholl got substituted an Ribéry came in, both wearing No. 7

  • @gooner72
    @gooner72 2 роки тому +82

    This fella was good.... damn good, i can tell you that for nothing. I think everyone who ever saw him play, i did a lot as I'm old enough, thought very very highly of this fella, no matter what team you support. He was an absolute genius.
    Ribery and Robben were absolutely outstanding together at Bayern, an almost unstoppable force in the German giants..

    • @chileshekateule1361
      @chileshekateule1361 2 роки тому +4

      #Robbery 😎💯💣💨

    • @philbled
      @philbled 2 роки тому +2

      He was also fantastic for France in 2006. Tremendous player.

    • @brunofonseca7397
      @brunofonseca7397 Рік тому +1

      P

    • @IAMU.D.
      @IAMU.D. Рік тому +1

      Ribery and Robben are player supposed to be “Selfish” player but somehow it worked

  • @1972dsrai
    @1972dsrai 2 роки тому +16

    At 38 he’s still playing top flight football, recently signing for Salernitana in the Italian top flight. Most players his age would have retired, but he obviously still has the desire and passion to play for as long as he can.

  • @stanleymalcolm9799
    @stanleymalcolm9799 2 роки тому +13

    One of my all time favourite players when his on top form no one can even get near this genius so under miss understood this man is a real old school player you call out for the ball it will be within a inch of your foot 🙃🙃👍

  • @semird615
    @semird615 3 роки тому +82

    It's only fair you make one for his partner Robben. Would also love to see one for Maicon, he's already forgotten but was the best right back along with Alves for a period.

  • @muhammadshais5546
    @muhammadshais5546 3 роки тому +68

    Felt sad when France won the world cup without ribéry and benzema 😒

    • @Agent-ik1ui
      @Agent-ik1ui 3 роки тому +1

      @Jerome S with each other?

    • @jarboon8824
      @jarboon8824 3 роки тому +1

      @Jerome S no Benzema had a lawsuit and Ribery was exiled

    • @twentytwo138
      @twentytwo138 2 роки тому +7

      @Jerome S Who cares about their private lives, we want to see them play..

    • @ronniep9272
      @ronniep9272 2 роки тому +1

      He was already 35 then. He had his chance in 2010 as their main man but he flopped.

    • @muhammadshais5546
      @muhammadshais5546 2 роки тому

      @@ronniep9272
      Have seen old players playing like Z. Ibrahimovic, H. Larsson, C. Ronaldo, L. Figo... You name em. I guess he could be a bench-warmer atleast 😒

  • @playboiclarti9166
    @playboiclarti9166 3 роки тому +14

    i really do like him
    10/10 in dribbling and speed

  • @11SP
    @11SP 2 роки тому +4

    i dont understand why people would mock him for his face. 1 i personally think his scar looks sick, tells a story and its badass. 2 why would you tease someone for something that took away his parents lives and nearly his too?? people are messed up man.

  • @nevanenglin8452
    @nevanenglin8452 3 роки тому +4

    This is top quality content, you deserve more subs

  • @christianromero9596
    @christianromero9596 Рік тому

    I absolutely love these stories. Well done

  • @sheikhqh716
    @sheikhqh716 Рік тому

    What great commentary, I am impressed amazed and speechless.

  • @BvbJude
    @BvbJude 2 роки тому

    Love your videos bro! I can’t get enough of football documentaries. I’ve been searching all over UA-cam for one about robben. I haven’t searched your entire repertoire so if you have one thank! If not please make one!!! 😊😊😊

  • @twentytwo138
    @twentytwo138 2 роки тому +5

    Ribery was like Iniesta on the wing

  • @MrGts92
    @MrGts92 2 роки тому +6

    Compared to other world.class wingers, he was quite underrated relatively to them. He had a small golden period of appreciation, and thats about it. But the Robbery partnership was feckin deadly.

  • @leekitur
    @leekitur 2 роки тому +1

    Well presented,i love ribery more after this,i respect him even more now.

  • @jamesmccreery250
    @jamesmccreery250 3 роки тому +10

    First on my team list if I can chose from all players who have every played. Best two way footballer of all time bar none. His side of the pitch was a no go zone for opponents. It was simply to dangerous to play anywhere near Frank. If the ball was on the same half of the pitch as Frank, regardless of who had possession, his opponent was in danger of conceding. If a single player got isolated with Frank, it was a foregone conclusion that a chance was coming for his team. I've never seen one player change the shape of opponents like Ribery.

  • @digitalkittycat4274
    @digitalkittycat4274 3 роки тому +2

    What a talent in football in last two decades ! Many legends !!

  • @alinac5512
    @alinac5512 3 роки тому +13

    You should make a video about Klose, world cup record scorer, incredible mentality and so humble.

  • @jafetguevara5178
    @jafetguevara5178 3 роки тому +1

    This UA-camr is soo underrated keep up

  • @riz_e9
    @riz_e9 2 роки тому

    Ngl I enjoy your videos. Very good work, well researched and presented. Watched a few now. Keep it up

  • @ScarfaceFranckRibery
    @ScarfaceFranckRibery 3 роки тому +5

    His dribbling is 11/10 - Best dribbler ever. Speed should be 10/10

  • @serback1
    @serback1 3 роки тому +1

    He got my attention when he play at the 2006 World Cup, since then, he has been my favorite French player and of course Bayern player.

  • @khaledb6580
    @khaledb6580 4 місяці тому

    everything is gonna be fine man, and thanks for the nice video. peace

  • @Maximilian0011
    @Maximilian0011 Рік тому +1

    I must write a word, I really loved Franck's play at Bayern, he is a legend to be never forgotten

  • @M1945
    @M1945 2 роки тому +1

    Great footballer, great man

  • @ukulos
    @ukulos 6 місяців тому

    My Dad is a huge Bayern Munich fan and i remember to this day the game when Ribery player vs Bremen. We saw it on TV and i got reminded of the funny lines of the commentary. For example when Ribery was dribbling and joggling the ball the commentary said: "the circus is back in town" which means that's so hyper entertaining what he did

  • @adnaneeddie
    @adnaneeddie 2 роки тому

    I like you videos but may I suggest something? Can u add the season years and the age of the player(s) at the time of events. This is the second video I watch from your channel and I had to go back and look for some events time line. Thanks for your hard work

  • @carlislepanting5219
    @carlislepanting5219 2 роки тому

    Huge respect & admiration for ribery!! From a real madrid fan!!✌🙏🌎🤗❤

  • @joseantoniozunino8489
    @joseantoniozunino8489 3 роки тому +22

    On another note, please consider doing Michael Ballack next :)

    • @Momo-tm1xp
      @Momo-tm1xp 2 роки тому +1

      One of the great players I loved to watch ✋
      Hence the number in my name ❤️

  • @chukwudidaniel7412
    @chukwudidaniel7412 2 роки тому +3

    Seriously i don't know whether am a good person for knowing Ribery as a footballer since my childhood and never bothered to find out the history of the scar on his face, but it never bothered me. I love the player so much especially during his partnership with Robben. I feel real bad for not knowing the cause of the scar. his story is indeed inspirational. I also suffered a childhood accident that broke all the front teeth in my mouth.

  • @RR-ww9ox
    @RR-ww9ox Рік тому +1

    Very good video, we need more video's like this please make a video on the story of Arda Turan , what happened to him. Please make one video on it 👍✌😕

  • @WAProdthejohman
    @WAProdthejohman 3 місяці тому

    I miss watching him and Robben play, by far my favorite Winger tandem ever

  • @davidsaucedo5287
    @davidsaucedo5287 2 роки тому +2

    i just watched the video about Dani the portugese wonderkid. I never even heard about him lmao. Some richkid that got everything handed to him. Things happened that made him uninterested sure but what a stark contrast from some rich considered wonderkid with talent seemingly handed to him compared to Frank Ribery. Who for me WAS bayern munich for years. For me Ribery is another all time legend among French players an amazing player and I never even knew his whole story until now. It just makes you admire him THAT MUCH MORE.

  • @marcop.525
    @marcop.525 2 роки тому +1

    Rib & Rob ... That dangerous duo

  • @Salty_Legionnaire
    @Salty_Legionnaire 3 роки тому

    Great video! can you make one for Robin van Persie?

  • @tabongprestige4104
    @tabongprestige4104 3 роки тому +10

    Drogba please😭😭
    and u take so much time to upload. I die waiting for more vids 😭. this is the best channel EVER!!!

    • @Gonnie6969
      @Gonnie6969 3 роки тому +1

      Idk how fast time passes for u but it flies for me so 1 vid a week is fine

  • @guyincognito7754
    @guyincognito7754 4 місяці тому +1

    Legend

  • @TheJFS123
    @TheJFS123 3 роки тому +1

    One of my top 2 favorite players of all-time with Zidane

  • @IAnsweredYou
    @IAnsweredYou 3 роки тому +7

    You have to follow it up with Robben to complete the robbery. Great video! I kinda agree with the stats i would have dribbling at 10 and the icon factor at 9, he is without a doubt one of the biggest and best players the bundesliga has ever seen.

  • @leemcr1894
    @leemcr1894 3 роки тому +3

    At any other time in the last 50yrs, Ribery would of won balloon d'Or without a doubt? Like one or 2 other players though tbh? But because he played when Messi and CR7 were playing, he had very little chance really, like all the other world class players who are human. Because they were up against 2 super human beings.
    People will look back on this time in football with awe and amazement IMO? We're so lucky to be able to witness the 2 best ever players, playing at the same time and pushing each other to greater levels.

    • @Al-ji4gd
      @Al-ji4gd Рік тому

      That's rubbish. It's because of people like you fawning over them that some players didn't win the Ballon d'Or when they should have. Cristiano and Messi did not deserve it in 2013, Ribery did, and he should've won it. Also, they're not the two best ever players, Cristiano certainly not. Messi is arguable.

  • @Tom-tk7fd
    @Tom-tk7fd Місяць тому

    he is a legend!

  • @Angeldiazz
    @Angeldiazz 3 роки тому +3

    Can you please do a video on Alfredo Di Stéfano

  • @olarikonrad7803
    @olarikonrad7803 3 роки тому

    Thanks!

  • @dinovass9822
    @dinovass9822 2 роки тому

    A true god of football ever

  • @stuartmenziesfarrant
    @stuartmenziesfarrant 2 роки тому +2

    Franck was a legend!

  • @giacomogrosso1388
    @giacomogrosso1388 3 роки тому +2

    You should do One about Milito or Zanetti. Inter's Legends

  • @AG058
    @AG058 Рік тому

    i love Ribery.. he is part of my childhood

  • @madfox5085
    @madfox5085 6 місяців тому

    His dribbling was sublime

  • @krishancurtis450
    @krishancurtis450 2 роки тому +1

    This guy was the chief prankster in a team that included muller and Basti, that it self was enough to make him a legend in my mind #roberry

  • @recordocoombs7564
    @recordocoombs7564 2 роки тому

    Every time my side came up against Bayern but yes Ribery, he was a monster…very great footballer

  • @laminjawneh6293
    @laminjawneh6293 3 роки тому

    Keep it up

  • @Eliaso79
    @Eliaso79 2 роки тому +2

    The reason why so many love Ribery is, because he was all the time a real streetfootballer. The way he played was unique because of his "streetskills".

  • @rjasontwenty1099
    @rjasontwenty1099 2 роки тому

    legend

  • @imranrehman5787
    @imranrehman5787 2 роки тому +1

    Best of the like no.1 in his position one of the greatest players of his generation

  • @jesselikaram5348
    @jesselikaram5348 2 роки тому

    Mad respect for Frank

  • @naaiiiz
    @naaiiiz 2 роки тому

    One of the best he's among the kings

  • @SuperPotato7
    @SuperPotato7 2 роки тому +1

    Is this mans best highlights him juggling.

  • @R18811301
    @R18811301 Місяць тому

    Sir Ribery ! A good guy !

  • @Human_traain
    @Human_traain Рік тому

    1:00 thats cold

  • @MUNGA1_101
    @MUNGA1_101 3 роки тому +1

    Bro continue making this videos.... Don't give up... you'll be blessed by God....We love how you work hard to make this videos

  • @petermountcastle4440
    @petermountcastle4440 2 роки тому +1

    Legend simple as…….

  • @mongokian910
    @mongokian910 10 місяців тому

    GOAT

  • @jessesmith-garcia5313
    @jessesmith-garcia5313 Рік тому +1

    Ribery and Robben a.k.a."Robbery"... Very cool name!

  • @josephritch6718
    @josephritch6718 2 роки тому +3

    8/10 for longevity and adaptability? Playing top level to this day at 38. Argument for a 9.5-10
    Speed and physicality were about a 9, he was a very difficult player to get the ball off and was fast with or without possession, both offensively and defensively.
    His mentality is 9-10. Most players with personality and big game mentalities generally clash and he was in that Bayern team forever it seems. How difficult was he to keep in the team if he lasted around a decade?

  • @mervync9325
    @mervync9325 3 роки тому +1

    El magico gonzalez next? This guy needs his story told

  • @dogukansuduran
    @dogukansuduran Рік тому +1

    Such a great player. He made difference for Galatasaray .For the record we lost Ribery by not paying him 100k. 🤦🏻‍♂️. He went to Marseille.

  • @jesusb972
    @jesusb972 3 роки тому +4

    U needa do Miroslav Klose

  • @Armn9999
    @Armn9999 Рік тому

    Yes I was a huge fan of Arjen Khabin as well

  • @Kenny-yl9pc
    @Kenny-yl9pc 4 місяці тому +1

    What you talking kid his "trophy cabinet needed an international trophy"?!?! He won the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Super Cup and FIFA Club World Cup. And he made a minor achievement of being the runner up of the FIFA World Cup 2006. He won like 25 trophies, and got the UEFA best player in Europe award, 4 x footballer of the year in France and Germany, He won trophies in three different countries and leagues. He is a legend in every way!

    • @Janee8336
      @Janee8336 4 місяці тому

      What are you talking about ? The international trophy and club level trophy is different, international trophy is like if he ever won the World Cup or euro with france national team, that wc runner up doesn't count as international trophies bruh, he only has club level trophies in his cabinet, he hasn't won any trophy under france national team.

    • @Kenny-yl9pc
      @Kenny-yl9pc 4 місяці тому

      So what?! @@Janee8336

  • @dcman9758
    @dcman9758 3 роки тому +1

    can you do a video on arshavin please?

  • @Estuardino71
    @Estuardino71 2 роки тому +5

    How good was he? well he is so good, that he was still active last season in Italy.

  • @Asapricky13
    @Asapricky13 Рік тому +1

    We need an JUST how GOOD is Emilio Butragueño !!!

  • @mervinphiri7562
    @mervinphiri7562 Рік тому

    Could you do some for goalkeepers

  • @lukearchambault1999
    @lukearchambault1999 10 місяців тому

    FIFA 13 ..THIS DUDE WAS A GOD

  • @dinahhoro7561
    @dinahhoro7561 Рік тому

    The most underrated LW

  • @jimmysean6362
    @jimmysean6362 3 роки тому

    Legándolo

  • @nathanakobe5304
    @nathanakobe5304 7 місяців тому +1

    His dribbling stats wise is a clear 10. Has the best dribbling statistics besides Messi in the top 5 leagues

  • @DaroriDerEinzige
    @DaroriDerEinzige 2 роки тому

    He won also a Champions League Title with us and the first Treble of FCB's History.

  • @megapixel7696
    @megapixel7696 3 роки тому +1

    cool

  • @positivevibesrfc
    @positivevibesrfc Рік тому

    He looks like Tony from the original Total Recall.

  • @maytonmiller8988
    @maytonmiller8988 2 роки тому

    Love Ribery always as a baller

  • @mzamomahlangabeza
    @mzamomahlangabeza 3 роки тому +2

    Can you do this on couches too

  • @abhisheklimbu9609
    @abhisheklimbu9609 Рік тому

    Bayern used to be my regular FIFA (EA) team because of RIBERRY. Salute to one of the finest players of all time. cheers!

  • @Theruilcreator
    @Theruilcreator 3 роки тому

    Prime Rib and Rob were on a different planet

  • @Luke-ch9eq
    @Luke-ch9eq 2 роки тому +1

    "it was frank WiBeHarY" - Daily Dose Of Football 19/06/2021

  • @strikingv3in416
    @strikingv3in416 3 роки тому +1

    Do David Trezeguet

  • @mrpixeltv460
    @mrpixeltv460 3 місяці тому

    One the last Matchday of the 18/19 season, the last game of "Robbery" they both scored in a 5:1 Victory over Frankfurt to secure the Bundesliga title. And Ribery did it in fashion, dribbling past two players inside the box and chipping the ball over the goalkeeper. I, as a Bayern fan, completely lost it...

  • @noorfelomina7198
    @noorfelomina7198 2 роки тому

    Unique.. Versatile midfielder player too!?legendary midfielder player at Bayern Munich..France also?!

  • @nikolajmadum8381
    @nikolajmadum8381 3 роки тому

    @ Daily Dose of Football
    Great video and great channel. Here's a list of some players I'd like you to make a video about.
    Sepp Maier
    Hristo Stoichkov
    Franz Beckenbauer
    Lothar Matthäus
    Jurgen Klinsmann
    Arjen Robben
    Philipp Lahm
    Karl Heinz Rummenigge
    Paul Scholes
    Thank you in advance :)

  • @TennisNeedsMore
    @TennisNeedsMore 3 роки тому

    Veron please!

  • @ramosoztas3569
    @ramosoztas3569 2 роки тому +2

    We don't see him as a villain (once again you're wrong) everyone knows it was our chairman at the time to blame. Money didn't come first no. We just didn't pay his wages, which is why we lost them on a free transfer.

  • @nagyfiuk3545
    @nagyfiuk3545 3 роки тому

    Robben needs tó be next

  • @trekurtista4077
    @trekurtista4077 3 роки тому +12

    top 5 french player of all time for sure! should've won ballondr 2013 tho

    • @philipthomas8928
      @philipthomas8928 3 роки тому +4

      I love Ribery and he definitely should have won his Ballon dor, was one of the greatest in his generation But the all time Franch players are stacked with Greatness, like G.O.A.T level greatness in Zidane, Platini, Papin, Henry, Viera, Thuram, Desaily.... The list goes on and on

    • @trekurtista4077
      @trekurtista4077 3 роки тому +4

      @@philipthomas8928 he can absolutley fit right in the top 5 but unlucky not to win a major trophy for his country

    • @joseantoniozunino8489
      @joseantoniozunino8489 3 роки тому +2

      @@philipthomas8928 Zidane, Platini, Henry, Viera, Ribery then you´ve got the likes of Thuram, Desailly, Papin, Cantona, Fontaine, etc, etc.

    • @philipthomas8928
      @philipthomas8928 3 роки тому +3

      @@joseantoniozunino8489 I donno man I really can't put Ribery top 5 or even top 10,no disrespect to Ribery but France had some absolute ballers in attack, midfield and in defense... Henry, papin scores for fun then there's Zizou who I consider the best of all time, Viera and Makelele were 2 of the most crucial CDMs in history then there's Thuram who gave Cafu(best RB in history imo) a run for His money ... There's soo much talent here I just don't see Ribery in the top 10 French players of all time but he's definitely the best of his generation

    • @joseantoniozunino8489
      @joseantoniozunino8489 3 роки тому

      @@philipthomas8928 Fair take mate, it´s really tough to put him up there. I do think though he easily slots as one of the best 7 Wingers of all time, and this is not debatable :D

  • @NwordOutward
    @NwordOutward 3 роки тому +1

    "even being out for 2 months in October."

  • @darismehtic8746
    @darismehtic8746 9 місяців тому

    Ribbery and roben changed bayern forever a long with muller