I always thought it was because Erina was wearing the rebel outfit. Like if Erina didn’t exist as two separate entities, then Toshiro would be wearing an outfit similar to Erina.
@@cometcartoons8528 that would be awesome but also wild in a good way and he would keep his mask but keep his own mask and might be useful in disguise missions too
Well we could say he’s basically a Shido on the good side. Remember how Shido’s shadow didn’t have special outfits like the other shadows in regular Persona 5? I’d like to think Toshiro that way for his awakening
I'd say its because Toshiro sees his suit as his symbol of rebellion. All the other Phantom Thieves' outfits are their personal image of what a rebel looks like. Since Toshiro was never predisposed to be a conventional warrior, rather he always saw himself as a statesman since from young. Therefore Toshiro sees his rightful battlefield to be the Diet Chamber, and that his politician's suit as his rebellion's outfit.
I will say that Erina being his persona was something I called almost immediately after I saw the dynamic between the two of them, and it still didn't take away from this moment at all. They pretty much always nail dope awakenings and how satisfying they are, even in the spinoffs.
I actually love this song for toshiro's awakening Especially the beginning of it with the drums That being said The awakening+ will power combo is legendary
Remember that the attire the Phantom Thieves wear is a reflection of how they view rebellion. Makoto for instances who was always told to act like the model student, restrained by the expectations of others. The fact that she looks like a biker/roadwarrior could be taken as her form of rebellion is being able to drive towards her own destiny (there are others who put it much better than I) My understanding is that Toshiro here desires to change the world, and being an adult with a more mature understanding of himself and the world, believes he can change the system that he is already apart of. Thus has no need to change his appearances as he already can change the world, rebel against the system as he is. Even if until that moment he felt powerless, it's as he says. The Rebellion is here. Compared to the adult character from Strikers Zenkichi, he was stuck, he didn't believe he could change the system as he was, couldn't archive the justice he sought for fear of losing the one thing he still cared about. He felt bound to the system, a cog of it. His persona and attire could reflect him breaking free of those chains, willing the become an outlaw/vigilante, to work outside of the law for the sake of justice.
@@gioelealpizar6009 Those two code names are perfect. Considering it fits not only his rebel mask design but also his persona: Ernesto being autonomous gun.
Wait. I thought the shadow had to fuse with the person when they got a Persona? This was a standing thing in the series, wasn't it? Futaba's Shadow disappeared when her Persona showed up. That a Persona was essentially a tamed Shadow. 2 become one, becoming stronger in the other world. That's how the series has gone. And here we have someone waking up to their Persona fighting their Shadow?
I think it’s stated later in the game that Erina is some strange anomaly that resembles a persona, a shadow, and a cognitive being at the same time, so maybe it has something to do with that.
This Shadow Self is a fake created by the true ruler of the kingdoms. It doesn't have yellow irises (instead sporting white ones) and is able to be killed without Toshiro undergoing a Mental Shutdown. It's likely that Erina is partially Toshiro's TRUE Shadow Self since he's been repressing his rebellious will for most of his life due to his father's emotional and physical abuse combined with the lynch mob of students who tried to take advantage of Nakabachi's exposed crimes to push their gripes onto him. As such, it's clear why "Shadow Toshiro" didn't transform into Ernesto.
@@WeaponXSigma They were created by Nyarlathotep (the ultimate deity shadow). Like the ones in Persona 4 Arena (and Ultimax), they were able to wield copies of their human counterparts' Personas. Both of those types of Shadow Selves were created by the respective villains in their games, unlike the Shadow Selves seen in Persona 4 (Golden) and Persona 5 (Royal and Strikers). In essence, they're fake Shadow Selves.
This game surprised me with its story. Not as life changing as royals ending but this is a story about not giving into fear and never regretting standing up for your beliefs. Very much enjoyed Toshiro more than I thought I would.
Honestly, when I saw Toshiro's Shadow scene for the first time, I couldn't help but think that he was Nyarlahotep and the main antagonist of P5T. A manipulative and charismatic personality, similar methods of influencing enemies (reincarnation into other people and their Shadows, manipulation of reality, hitting characters’ pain points with words), an exorbitant ego and self-pleasure - this is very much in the spirit of Crowling Chaos. The voice acting only enhances the effect. McCloud Andrews is amazing as the voice of Shadow Toshiro, and if there is a remake of P2 one day (main insider Midori confirmed recently that the project already exists in Atlus), then this actor would be perfect for the role of Nyarlahotep.
Personally, though, it would be nice if Atlus at least gave Toshiro a Matador outfit or something. His summoning his persona Ernesto reminds me too much of Adachi.
I had questions about Ernesto, like why it is opposite gender and how Erina could live as separate person? But after i thought a little bit, i made a theory. Soul of Eri made her self a part of Toshiro soul (maybe) or it's just new persona tipe. (ye, i watched a little what heappenend after this) (Also I didn't play in this game, so sorry if I said something stupid.)
Indeed! I did some digging before this, and this is what I got. Ernesto "Che" Guevera is an Argentinean Marxist Revolutionary, guerrilla leader, leader, and military theorist during the Cuban Revoltion in the 1950s
To be fair, Persona are more or less a facet of the idea not the literal thing - since this is Persona and not SMT. It's not like Yusuke is a literal ninja thief for having Goemon.
@@tokie4199 Yusuke is more of a samurai when it comes to how he engages in combat and the air of chivalry he typically gives off (minus wanting Ann to be his model, and even then, he becomes much less forceful after he joins the Phantom Thieves). I'm also pretty sure that stealing things in the Metaverse is a lot different to doing so in the real world, so Liono using Yusuke as an example isn't as bad as you say it is.
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My take on why his outfit doesn't change it because his normal outfit already matches his view of someone who fights for justice.
Perhaps Erina is wearing his rebellion outfit, only it's a feminine version.
I always thought it was because Erina was wearing the rebel outfit. Like if Erina didn’t exist as two separate entities, then Toshiro would be wearing an outfit similar to Erina.
@@cometcartoons8528 that would be awesome but also wild in a good way and he would keep his mask but keep his own mask and might be useful in disguise missions too
Its so sad Toshiro doesn't get a new outfit. His mask is amazing and it sucks we only see it in this one cutscene.
There is a theory Erina is wearing his rebellion outfit
Well we could say he’s basically a Shido on the good side. Remember how Shido’s shadow didn’t have special outfits like the other shadows in regular Persona 5? I’d like to think Toshiro that way for his awakening
@@Yurihyuga766 what do you mean? Shido had probably the wildest shadow forms of any of the bosses.
@@ventusthekey5187 Ohh I was talking about before he transformed into a Char Aznable like outfit
I'd say its because Toshiro sees his suit as his symbol of rebellion. All the other Phantom Thieves' outfits are their personal image of what a rebel looks like. Since Toshiro was never predisposed to be a conventional warrior, rather he always saw himself as a statesman since from young. Therefore Toshiro sees his rightful battlefield to be the Diet Chamber, and that his politician's suit as his rebellion's outfit.
I will say that Erina being his persona was something I called almost immediately after I saw the dynamic between the two of them, and it still didn't take away from this moment at all. They pretty much always nail dope awakenings and how satisfying they are, even in the spinoffs.
I’m upset they didn’t put in the original awakening music in this.
Neither Will Power in the battle afterwards
Someone should edit this cutscene with P5 original BGM
@@trappercapI can do it if I can get the footage without music
I actually love this song for toshiro's awakening
Especially the beginning of it with the drums
That being said
The awakening+ will power combo is legendary
bruh this some persona 4 level sht and I love it
Toshiro during the flashbacks especially looks like Yu Narukami.
And Toshiro have the hardest shit to overcome, thus the strongest upon his awakening
The words I am thou thou art I never fails to give me chills of excitement
im surprised he didnt transform into ernesto like clothes when he summoned his persona strange
Remember that the attire the Phantom Thieves wear is a reflection of how they view rebellion. Makoto for instances who was always told to act like the model student, restrained by the expectations of others. The fact that she looks like a biker/roadwarrior could be taken as her form of rebellion is being able to drive towards her own destiny (there are others who put it much better than I)
My understanding is that Toshiro here desires to change the world, and being an adult with a more mature understanding of himself and the world, believes he can change the system that he is already apart of. Thus has no need to change his appearances as he already can change the world, rebel against the system as he is. Even if until that moment he felt powerless, it's as he says. The Rebellion is here.
Compared to the adult character from Strikers Zenkichi, he was stuck, he didn't believe he could change the system as he was, couldn't archive the justice he sought for fear of losing the one thing he still cared about. He felt bound to the system, a cog of it. His persona and attire could reflect him breaking free of those chains, willing the become an outlaw/vigilante, to work outside of the law for the sake of justice.
The best awakening of all Persona 5 games/spin-offs. It was infront from the start of the game, but still didn’t see it coming like this.
I think Zenkichi’s is easily my fsvorite
Has anyone noticed that Toshiro's mask kind of resembles the eye of a hurricane? Or a snail shell? Or even a bullet hole in glass?🤔🤨🤔🤨
The rifling grooves of a gun barrel, perhaps?
I'm more surprised about this new Persona that is the opposite sex of the user and has a body of its own and it's based on Che Guevara
@MilanTehVillain If that's the case, then I already have two perfect codenames for Toshiro: Spiral, or Bullet.
@@zanok7796an Autonomous Persona?!
My fanfic was less crazy than I figured!
XD
@@gioelealpizar6009 Those two code names are perfect. Considering it fits not only his rebel mask design but also his persona: Ernesto being autonomous gun.
16:04 I know it's not a bike, Ryuji, but...
XD
THE NEW PERSONA IS ME?
NANI?
P6 could have some crazy gameplay!
Or plot twist...
They actually used the Shadow Self from persona 4? Kinda nostalgic. I always preferred that.
Ummm technically it was the same for Futaba
it probably wasn't the same type of shadow, since it was made by [FINAL BOSS SPOILER], and didn't have yellow eyes
@laravioliiii2832 I haven't gotten to this part but the reason why they went with the p4 theme is because toshiro is facing himself vs rebelling
@@laravioliiii2832 I didn't know ... could make shadows!! Wow, I need to play it again, lol.
@@ryanhernandez1877 More like they made the entire world, so them making shadows is not completely out of the picture
Toshiro and Erina’s Awakening Is SO AWESOME! This is now my favorite awakening in all the games.
Xander having speaking lines?!?!
Wait. I thought the shadow had to fuse with the person when they got a Persona? This was a standing thing in the series, wasn't it? Futaba's Shadow disappeared when her Persona showed up. That a Persona was essentially a tamed Shadow. 2 become one, becoming stronger in the other world. That's how the series has gone.
And here we have someone waking up to their Persona fighting their Shadow?
I think it’s stated later in the game that Erina is some strange anomaly that resembles a persona, a shadow, and a cognitive being at the same time, so maybe it has something to do with that.
This Shadow Self is a fake created by the true ruler of the kingdoms. It doesn't have yellow irises (instead sporting white ones) and is able to be killed without Toshiro undergoing a Mental Shutdown. It's likely that Erina is partially Toshiro's TRUE Shadow Self since he's been repressing his rebellious will for most of his life due to his father's emotional and physical abuse combined with the lynch mob of students who tried to take advantage of Nakabachi's exposed crimes to push their gripes onto him. As such, it's clear why "Shadow Toshiro" didn't transform into Ernesto.
Persona 2 had people fighting their shadow even after they awoke to their persona
@@WeaponXSigma Ah okay so they play loose with it across the series. Never played the early ones.
@@WeaponXSigma They were created by Nyarlathotep (the ultimate deity shadow). Like the ones in Persona 4 Arena (and Ultimax), they were able to wield copies of their human counterparts' Personas. Both of those types of Shadow Selves were created by the respective villains in their games, unlike the Shadow Selves seen in Persona 4 (Golden) and Persona 5 (Royal and Strikers). In essence, they're fake Shadow Selves.
I am sure that Toshiro's outfit stayed the same as that is the symbol of rebellion to him
He still believes in the same system it's the people that abuse it is who he rebels against.
0:28 my mood rn
This game surprised me with its story. Not as life changing as royals ending but this is a story about not giving into fear and never regretting standing up for your beliefs. Very much enjoyed Toshiro more than I thought I would.
I fangirled way way WAY TO HARD when I first saw this scene. Kept silently screaming “my boy has a persona! Let’s go” I don’t regret it though.
15:35
Revolver Legs...
Ammo cape...
TransGUNNER!
Honestly, when I saw Toshiro's Shadow scene for the first time, I couldn't help but think that he was Nyarlahotep and the main antagonist of P5T.
A manipulative and charismatic personality, similar methods of influencing enemies (reincarnation into other people and their Shadows, manipulation of reality, hitting characters’ pain points with words), an exorbitant ego and self-pleasure - this is very much in the spirit of Crowling Chaos.
The voice acting only enhances the effect. McCloud Andrews is amazing as the voice of Shadow Toshiro, and if there is a remake of P2 one day (main insider Midori confirmed recently that the project already exists in Atlus), then this actor would be perfect for the role of Nyarlahotep.
Toshiro Awakening is awesome.
Personally, though, it would be nice if Atlus at least gave Toshiro a Matador outfit or something. His summoning his persona Ernesto reminds me too much of Adachi.
It might be recency bias but this is my favorite Persona 5 awakening. Sophia's comes super close though!
I had questions about Ernesto, like why it is opposite gender and how Erina could live as separate person? But after i thought a little bit, i made a theory. Soul of Eri made her self a part of Toshiro soul (maybe) or it's just new persona tipe. (ye, i watched a little what heappenend after this)
(Also I didn't play in this game, so sorry if I said something stupid.)
Understandable
anyone else getting some P4 vibes with confronting your own shadow?
I am a shadow the true self
15:36 - ERNESTOOOOOOOOOOO!
14:41 do anyone know the ost when Toshino awaken his persona?
I finally found the ost
It's その名は... Or Her name is....
8:05 wait Ren speaks now?
Is Ernesto a reference to El Che Guevara? If not what's the reference?
It definitely is. The hat with the star should be a given
If he was in P5R:
Ernesto=> SHE Guevara => RBD
ERNESTOOOO!!! 🤨
Ernesto is a Revolutionary leader and a mass murderer
Indeed! I did some digging before this, and this is what I got.
Ernesto "Che" Guevera is an Argentinean Marxist Revolutionary, guerrilla leader, leader, and military theorist during the Cuban Revoltion in the 1950s
A good fit for a politician honestly
To be fair, Persona are more or less a facet of the idea not the literal thing - since this is Persona and not SMT. It's not like Yusuke is a literal ninja thief for having Goemon.
uh Yusuke *is* a literal ninja thief, that is the worst example you could have chosen
@@tokie4199 Yusuke is more of a samurai when it comes to how he engages in combat and the air of chivalry he typically gives off (minus wanting Ann to be his model, and even then, he becomes much less forceful after he joins the Phantom Thieves). I'm also pretty sure that stealing things in the Metaverse is a lot different to doing so in the real world, so Liono using Yusuke as an example isn't as bad as you say it is.
Awesome awakening
Probably the coolest persona design paired with the worst awakening
I love it
Persona 4 did it better