I'm kind of obsessed with this now. I club race a 2-stroke SM in Mexico (KTM) and I think this will give me a couple seconds on my 2:07 best. I get zero engine braking with 2-stroke and a slipper so I am hoping I can point the bike better in the tight 180's with this as my rear brake/boot control is poor. Just have to save lots of pesos I guess :-) - looks like proper business gear and a passionate business owner.
I use one (a home made one) and I’m not going back to a foot brake. Always fully accessible when to are moving position and banked over. Takes about 3-4 sessions to get used to it.
Great video again Chops . Improvise, adapt, overcome . Engineering problem solved...Good job Dale. 👍 Can't wait to see how it goes Chops as I know a few proffesional racers are running this set up. Love it mate, great work ❤👌
I'm no stranger to thumb rear brakes due to lack of right leg, I've never had an issue getting an MOT without the foot pedal. So long as the lever applies enough pressure when it's on the roller it should be good. I'm contemplating one of these for my GSA as they are handy for tighter turning and erm.....wheelies 🤫May have to speak to Dale.....👍 Nice vid Chops.
Are you above or below knee. I'm an above and getting my arse in getting back on a bike. Finally have a bike. Videos like this are helpful. Do you use a bolt through the peg, then into the boot to keep your foot on the peg?
@@frozenbeard81 Hi, I'm above knee, I personally don't use a bolt in the peg as I just lift my foot onto the peg and leave it there. It depends on what type of bike you have and how much angle you can get on a bent knee. I tend to ride adventure style bikes so plenty of leg room so never have a problem. In my younger days I had sports bikes and would rub my toes on the road occasionally so I guess a pin in the peg would help there?
Selling your left hand stealth mirror by any chance 😬? Mine fell off while I was riding! If it's a no then I may have to buy a racetorx thumb brake too haha! Looks brilliant mate, looking forward to the follow up video 👍🏼
Dales stuff is class was going get his thumb brake during lock down just no in stock at the time got the other bits off him. Will be getting more soon once a build my other bike 😂
Sucking fluid into the syringe means you would need a fluid pot hanging above the caliper whereas pushing the fluid from the caliper means no extra fluid pot is needed so a simpler method but yes sucking will work too.
@@racetorx9702 it's a much better than reverse bleeding. You'll still need the pot either way to then bleed them, to ensure they are free of air, and pressurised properly. It's how I've always done it with fresh lines, or when changing calipers etc.
@HalfdeadRider we all have our own ways that work 🙂 we have always done reverse bleed from the caliper and always has worked for us, which is why we have never tried any alternative, worth keeping in mind though 💪
I have their gear shift support bracket and love it, the quality is awesome! Been looking i to getting the thumb brake, great video! So you have a promo code?
Fascinating video, chops. I’ve just picked up myself a ZXR750-H2 (again….) for resto (and I mean resto, it’s a mess lol) so we can share the journey/headaches/victories on the journey back to the road. Great stuff and keep it coming.
It's probably the breakdown of the rubber in the brake lines causing the dodgy looking fluid. They're perfectly engineered... to only last as long as indicated in the service manual, and not a second longer 🤣
Hey there, this may be a dumb question, but with a junction valve and reverse bleeding the brake line, do you still need an extra fluid pot on the master cylinder on the bars?
Thanks for an informative video, I’ve been interested in a thumb brake but finding a quality one difficult. It might be just my eyes but it would have been an idea to have some sort of light source as I found it hard to differentiate all the dark colored hardware. Please don’t think I’m criticizing as I’m not, just an observation.
I am the owner and designer so of course this thumb brake I have a personal love the kit but from every other thumb brake on the market this is the best unit hands down. We have: 1. the most adjustability 2. the only company to use titanium hardware & its lock wire capable 3. its the only thumb brake to have 5 thumb paddle options 4. push plunger to give in and out adjustability 5. haribo sweets ;) 6. top customer service Even the teams we sponsor say it's the best kit all have used over big names kits on the market. We did a small number of silver kits and they took much longer to sell which is why we decided to only do black. With where the thumb paddle is situated you don't look for it because its right below the grip and in perfect reach of your thumb.
@@racetorx9702 thanks for taking the time to reply to my comment. I think black is perfect. My comment was in reference to the actual shooting of the video in so much as it was difficult to detail due to inadequate lighting of the area being videotaped. But thank you for your dedication to quality and materials used in the production of your thumb brake. What would I need for a 2023 KTM 890 Duke R? Your website?
@karlwilliams8208 ahh sorry I didn't realise you mean the video rather than the product. Yea the lighting was not the best in some angles. A full kit works out roughly £550
Hard question, I want to get a 2020 Harley Davidson softail standard. I have drop foot and no use of my ankle on the rear break. Do they make a set up for that or are the all dirt bike friendly.
Is the idea there is no reservoir at all with two MCs both dead ended which then allows either lever to apply pressure? How does the brake light work unless you can mess about putting 2 banjo switches on into one feed back to bike?
Do you know the reason the fluid becomes “dirty” after a couple of rides? The same happened with my. After few changes of fluid the problem gone and no residue was seen in reservoir. My thoughts are they use inappropriate fluid/seals combination. But not sure what exactly was the reason.
From an MOT point, would you have to keep the normal rear foot brake anyway, as the thumb brake wouldn’t activate the brake light? Great vid keep up the good work.
Depends, KTM superdukes have sensors on the ABS pump, so the thumb brake on that works perfectly with the brake light, my Tenere 700 on the other hand ran a switch so I replaced it with a Hydrolic M10 banjo which is very common on motorbikes.
The dirty brake fluid is probably from the rubber lines. Don't know how old the bike is but they should be replaced every 4 years. Might be a good idea to replace them with steel braided ones.
After recently damaging the ligments and tendons in my right foot I'm going to need something like this to keep my zx10r on the road and my cbr600f on track Thanks for the insight
then the Racetorx kit is for you, as any racer, BSB team and even Hawk racing -Michael dunlop, that has used several different thumb brake kits all have said the same exact words.... (the racetorx thumb brake is the best of all the thumb brakes we have used) which is always a nice thing to hear. :)
@@racetorx9702 thanks for the response. How much are you going to be pricing this at? When will it be available? There’s a few of us on supermotos that would buy if they arnt to expensive!
Boggles the mind a thumb brake would confuse the MOT man, when thumb-throttles are the standard for Quad bikes. They should be encouraging these kind of devices. They're great for riders with disabilities. "If you can use it to GO, you can use it to SLOW." I do accept royalties on my slogans btw lol
You can have a thumb brake on a road bike but we have seen a couple times MOT stations questioned the thumb brake with customers, though unsure they did still pass them, they just were confused at first as the two we are aware of removed the foot pedal completely.
@@racetorx9702 Fair enough. I can understand the two lever system being confusing and a bit awkward to inspect/pass but a single lever substitution job shouldn't be a major issue to comprehend. But then again, a lot of MOT test stations struggle with daylight mots too. or just anything outside the norm anyway.
@@Bow-to-the-absurd Could be that if it was made in India or China they had some of their dirty Indian or Chinese air trapped in before being filled the first time.
if you ride this on a proper supermoto circuit you will rip the plunjer rigt of on one of the jumps poor design like the thump brake kit, good for weelie controle
You say the junction valve would be ripped out on one of the jumps, does a supermoto bottom out on a jump? From experience on supermotos I personally feel there would still be plenty clearance. But anyway as per lamb chops reply, this is a general road supermoto setup although the better alternative for this smcr method is the racetorx duelport master cylinder that will be ready in the next 1-3 months as they are being heavily tested to destruction at the moment.
Brilliant to see such enthusiastic and beautiful engineering. Great video Chops and thanks for introducing us to Dale!
This kit looks to be top shelf , fully kitted out with proper titanium . I got 3 bikes I need this mod for .
Thanks Chopsy and Dale. It'll be interesting to see it in action.
I'm kind of obsessed with this now. I club race a 2-stroke SM in Mexico (KTM) and I think this will give me a couple seconds on my 2:07 best. I get zero engine braking with 2-stroke and a slipper so I am hoping I can point the bike better in the tight 180's with this as my rear brake/boot control is poor. Just have to save lots of pesos I guess :-) - looks like proper business gear and a passionate business owner.
I use one (a home made one) and I’m not going back to a foot brake. Always fully accessible when to are moving position and banked over. Takes about 3-4 sessions to get used to it.
Can't believe you didn't add a sample of the Duelling Banjos from the film Deliverance at the mention of double banjos. Schoolboy error!
Darn it!!
Love the stuff Dale makes.
I have one of these on my zx636. And it's bloody mint
I wish I had found this video before I installed mine. 😂 Fitting the junction valve was a real pain! It's a really nice kit though.
Great video again Chops .
Improvise, adapt, overcome . Engineering problem solved...Good job Dale. 👍
Can't wait to see how it goes Chops as I know a few proffesional racers are running this set up.
Love it mate, great work ❤👌
Really enjoyed the video, was very interesting, and what beautifully engineered and made bit of kit. Thank you.
I'm no stranger to thumb rear brakes due to lack of right leg, I've never had an issue getting an MOT without the foot pedal. So long as the lever applies enough pressure when it's on the roller it should be good.
I'm contemplating one of these for my GSA as they are handy for tighter turning and erm.....wheelies 🤫May have to speak to Dale.....👍
Nice vid Chops.
Are you above or below knee. I'm an above and getting my arse in getting back on a bike. Finally have a bike. Videos like this are helpful. Do you use a bolt through the peg, then into the boot to keep your foot on the peg?
@@frozenbeard81 Hi, I'm above knee, I personally don't use a bolt in the peg as I just lift my foot onto the peg and leave it there. It depends on what type of bike you have and how much angle you can get on a bent knee.
I tend to ride adventure style bikes so plenty of leg room so never have a problem. In my younger days I had sports bikes and would rub my toes on the road occasionally so I guess a pin in the peg would help there?
Selling your left hand stealth mirror by any chance 😬? Mine fell off while I was riding!
If it's a no then I may have to buy a racetorx thumb brake too haha! Looks brilliant mate, looking forward to the follow up video 👍🏼
Dales stuff is class was going get his thumb brake during lock down just no in stock at the time got the other bits off him. Will be getting more soon once a build my other bike 😂
You don't need to reverse bleed, you can use the syringe to suck the fluid through too, I find that the better/easier way on dry lines.
Sucking fluid into the syringe means you would need a fluid pot hanging above the caliper whereas pushing the fluid from the caliper means no extra fluid pot is needed so a simpler method but yes sucking will work too.
@@racetorx9702 it's a much better than reverse bleeding. You'll still need the pot either way to then bleed them, to ensure they are free of air, and pressurised properly. It's how I've always done it with fresh lines, or when changing calipers etc.
i was going to say that too mate. cheers!
And...... If you have a compressor and a Bottle Res, It is even Better with no mess.I generally do it that way!
@HalfdeadRider we all have our own ways that work 🙂 we have always done reverse bleed from the caliper and always has worked for us, which is why we have never tried any alternative, worth keeping in mind though 💪
I have their gear shift support bracket and love it, the quality is awesome! Been looking i to getting the thumb brake, great video! So you have a promo code?
Looks a smart bit of kit that. Good video, I was waiting for Mavis a few times to chirp up! Double banjos!!! 😂😂😂
But does the original pump stay down?
Interested to see how this goes, I’m thinking of fitting one to my FS450 Race bike.
Thumbs up from me 👍. Looking forward to test ride .
Fascinating video, chops. I’ve just picked up myself a ZXR750-H2 (again….) for resto (and I mean resto, it’s a mess lol) so we can share the journey/headaches/victories on the journey back to the road. Great stuff and keep it coming.
Oh fantastic!!! 👍
This look trick, can't wait to see what you think to it. Thinking of getting one for my s1000rr. Do they do a fitting service ?
We do indeed offer a fitting service, best booking in and leaving with us for 2/3 days which is £75
It's probably the breakdown of the rubber in the brake lines causing the dodgy looking fluid.
They're perfectly engineered... to only last as long as indicated in the service manual, and not a second longer 🤣
Yea. Had the same problem with my 690. After few changes of fluid in a period of 3-4 months it remained clean for the rest of the time.
Looks great, I’d love to try one on my ZZR1400 but don’t think it’d fit on the clip on.
Hey there, this may be a dumb question, but with a junction valve and reverse bleeding the brake line, do you still need an extra fluid pot on the master cylinder on the bars?
Clever bit of kit looks complicated ,, talented individual 😊.
i need one of these on my duke! your 690 is absolutely banging! 👌
Thanks buddy 👍
Apparently the inside of the brake lines breaks down and contaminates the brake fluid, so I heard.
Hi, I cant find the video where you test it? Any update please?
I had that on my 2021 690 SMCR, turns out, it was a bad batch of fluid. They changed mine under warranty and it was absolutely fine after that.
Nice, I've always fancied a thumb brake
Ohhh very interesting, think I need one.
Any news on the handbrake system for the 690 yet? 👍🏽
Thanks for an informative video, I’ve been interested in a thumb brake but finding a quality one difficult. It might be just my eyes but it would have been an idea to have some sort of light source as I found it hard to differentiate all the dark colored hardware. Please don’t think I’m criticizing as I’m not, just an observation.
I am the owner and designer so of course this thumb brake I have a personal love the kit but from every other thumb brake on the market this is the best unit hands down.
We have:
1. the most adjustability
2. the only company to use titanium hardware & its lock wire capable
3. its the only thumb brake to have 5 thumb paddle options
4. push plunger to give in and out adjustability
5. haribo sweets ;)
6. top customer service
Even the teams we sponsor say it's the best kit all have used over big names kits on the market.
We did a small number of silver kits and they took much longer to sell which is why we decided to only do black. With where the thumb paddle is situated you don't look for it because its right below the grip and in perfect reach of your thumb.
@@racetorx9702 thanks for taking the time to reply to my comment. I think black is perfect. My comment was in reference to the actual shooting of the video in so much as it was difficult to detail due to inadequate lighting of the area being videotaped. But thank you for your dedication to quality and materials used in the production of your thumb brake. What would I need for a 2023 KTM 890 Duke R? Your website?
@karlwilliams8208 ahh sorry I didn't realise you mean the video rather than the product. Yea the lighting was not the best in some angles. A full kit works out roughly £550
Another good video and accessery Lamb Chop
Glad you enjoyed it Lyn 👍
Nice video, when will you do the test run ?
Hard question, I want to get a 2020 Harley Davidson softail standard. I have drop foot and no use of my ankle on the rear break. Do they make a set up for that or are the all dirt bike friendly.
Is the idea there is no reservoir at all with two MCs both dead ended which then allows either lever to apply pressure?
How does the brake light work unless you can mess about putting 2 banjo switches on into one feed back to bike?
There is a small amount of oil in the pipe work. This acts as the res. No brake light on the thumb brake, foot pedal only. This passed MOT like this 👍
Do you do a thumb brake for an 2018 Aprilia touno factory ?
I Both one for my Panigale V4 easy to install, fit’s and looks nice!
Do you know the reason the fluid becomes “dirty” after a couple of rides? The same happened with my. After few changes of fluid the problem gone and no residue was seen in reservoir. My thoughts are they use inappropriate fluid/seals combination. But not sure what exactly was the reason.
Whens the test vid ?
From an MOT point, would you have to keep the normal rear foot brake anyway, as the thumb brake wouldn’t activate the brake light? Great vid keep up the good work.
Depends, KTM superdukes have sensors on the ABS pump, so the thumb brake on that works perfectly with the brake light, my Tenere 700 on the other hand ran a switch so I replaced it with a Hydrolic M10 banjo which is very common on motorbikes.
Would this work on a mt07 2014 model
Do they sell a turn key kit for a SMCR? I need one in my life
why not use just a shuttle valve, and two master cylinders?
🤔
Just saw on his website, they don’t have a kit for mv agusta, I’ll sacrifice my mv brutale 800 for a thumbbrake
The dirty brake fluid is probably from the rubber lines. Don't know how old the bike is but they should be replaced every 4 years. Might be a good idea to replace them with steel braided ones.
Great vid! really interesting watch.
Rear brake fluid going dark is common on these bikes. Suspect is the discolouration of the rubber brake line.
Think it's a braided line..
Do you have this junctionvalve for the CBR1000RR-R ?
How to install for z900?
After recently damaging the ligments and tendons in my right foot I'm going to need something like this to keep my zx10r on the road and my cbr600f on track
Thanks for the insight
then the Racetorx kit is for you, as any racer, BSB team and even Hawk racing -Michael dunlop, that has used several different thumb brake kits all have said the same exact words.... (the racetorx thumb brake is the best of all the thumb brakes we have used) which is always a nice thing to hear. :)
ETA for the rear Master Cylinder? If like this for 690 enduro.
we have alot of testing to do with them before we will consider releasing them, maybe in around 2/3 months time.
@@racetorx9702 that's fine. Thanks.
Nice work.
Interested in one for my Superduke 1290r (gen 1). Dale mentioned the Superduke so guess its possible, but are there generation specifics?
no our kit is universal from a 250cc motocross bike upto a MOTO GP spec superbike. Super quality kit for all bikes.
Where do you install the haribo supermix? Seems like an integral part... 😂
Haha 😄 👍
Hi chops, where did you get those mirrors from ?
Thanks
Company called stealth mirrors 👍
Loved the format of this video. Where did you get your mirrors from for the KTM worked on ?
They are from a company called stealth mirrors 👍
Will there be a hand brake similar to the clutch lever so it’s easy to use for wheelies??
The thumb brake is already a great anti wheel control but yes we do have a handbrake/scooter brake style in the making 😉
@@racetorx9702 thanks for the response. How much are you going to be pricing this at? When will it be available? There’s a few of us on supermotos that would buy if they arnt to expensive!
@@jackmills1274 they would be on par with the thumb brake. We are looking atleast 3 months yet.
Thumbs up! 👍
LCR - trying to message via website but keep getting errors...
Yeah it's rubbish, send me an email jbmugen@hotmail.co.uk 👍
@@LambChopRides Perfect, thanks. Message sent
Use a Mityvac for bleeding.
Is Dake a distant relative of Gordon Ramsey? Talks in exactly the same way! 😂
I'll take that as a compliment hahaha though i did only sware once and asked for permission ;)
Boggles the mind a thumb brake would confuse the MOT man, when thumb-throttles are the standard for Quad bikes. They should be encouraging these kind of devices. They're great for riders with disabilities.
"If you can use it to GO, you can use it to SLOW."
I do accept royalties on my slogans btw lol
You can have a thumb brake on a road bike but we have seen a couple times MOT stations questioned the thumb brake with customers, though unsure they did still pass them, they just were confused at first as the two we are aware of removed the foot pedal completely.
@@racetorx9702 Fair enough. I can understand the two lever system being confusing and a bit awkward to inspect/pass but a single lever substitution job shouldn't be a major issue to comprehend.
But then again, a lot of MOT test stations struggle with daylight mots too. or just anything outside the norm anyway.
😍😍😍
oh yes........oh YES oh yes oh yes.............
That brake fluid though 😳
Looks like rubber degradation
@@Bow-to-the-absurd The rubbers would not cause that rust colour I don't believe but a better explanation than any other idea I have so far...
@@Bow-to-the-absurd Could be that if it was made in India or China they had some of their dirty Indian or Chinese air trapped in before being filled the first time.
Where's the Discount Code for Racetorx Chopsy? 🤣
Can you not run direct lines to bypass the abs pump ?
Yes if you want to bypass ABS system
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if you ride this on a proper supermoto circuit you will rip the plunjer rigt of on one of the jumps
poor design
like the thump brake kit, good for weelie controle
The bike isn't a 'proper' race supermoto, 450 exc for example would use a completely different mounting system and master cylinder
You say the junction valve would be ripped out on one of the jumps, does a supermoto bottom out on a jump? From experience on supermotos I personally feel there would still be plenty clearance.
But anyway as per lamb chops reply, this is a general road supermoto setup although the better alternative for this smcr method is the racetorx duelport master cylinder that will be ready in the next 1-3 months as they are being heavily tested to destruction at the moment.
Ox system is more simple.