that's the drop the mic moment right there....its like most are on ncaa's side. and don't these guys get paid enough to go back to school?? and can go to school on their own time and hire the best tutors etc??
Its fucking ridiculous. I don't understand how anyone could be on NCAAs side. Pay these effing kids or let them go pro. It's incredibly unfair that the NCAA and the NBA are COLLUDING TOGETHER to make kids play in college. Sure they could go overseas...but that shouldn't be their only options. Free tuition is WORTHLESS compared to even like...one year of salary for kids who are good enough to make the jump from highschool to the NBA. The NBA wants to protect itself from draft busts...and the NCAA wants big names so they can sell a shit load of merchandise...but who's looking out for the kids?
@@RobbieStacks90 They did what they wanted to do ? They should have been paid back then too. They are practically forced to play in the NCAA. Back when Duncan played you could go pro right out of highschool. Now they don't allow that.
@@RobbieStacks90 you could...but look what it did to Brandon Jennings and Emmanuel Mudiay. These are 18 year old KIDS. It's a little harsh to expect them to go overseas where they know no one. Where they won't face the same sort of competition. And where their draft stock will sink. The may not literally be forcing them to play in college but practically they are...if they go overseas they get punished ...why is it that basketball players are forced to play in college? We don't do that with baseball players. We force football players to play in college too. Which might make a little more sense for safety reasons...but we still can't pretend the real reason we do it isnt because these school just want $$$. We can't pretend we are looking out for these kids when ...if these fucking kids are hungry and want a cheeseburger from McDonald's its against NCAA rules for a coach who's making MILLIONS off that kid to buy him a fucking cheeseburger. We can't pretend it's about the kids when if the don't get drafted they won't let him return to play in college, we can't pretend it's about the kids where they can't do a commercial for some money. They sure as fuck don't take away scholarships if someone from the performing arts department appears in a commercial, we can't pretend it's about the kids when Reggie Bush can be (maybe) the best college running back ever...but because he accepted a car and some things for his family his name is erased from the history books, we can't say it's for the kids when some of them grow up with NOTHING...if they accept a gift to help their family out their career is ruined. It's about $$$. It's about rich white guys not wanting to share the wealth ESPECIALLY not with some black teenagers from the projects like is often the case...it's fucking ridiculous. These athletes put in an insane amount of work for absolutely NOTHING. Zion doesn't owe the school fucking anything. He might owe it to his teammates ...but he owes the school NOTHING. If you want loyalty treat your athletes like people. People who put their future careers and future $$$ on the line EVERY TIME THEY PLAY. They don't need to be millionaires in college...pay them enough to at least acknowledge that they are working their asses off for the school.
Jeremiah Gilyard That’s great, but like max said at the end of the video.. The ncaa has been using these kids for their benefit for years, so we can’t be mad when somebody turns the tables on them. Zion got what he needed from college, now he needs to focus on his career & put himself first because if he tears his Achilles or has a career ending injury, the ncaa ain’t gonna take care of him
Im with Max People want this kid to sell his future to protect a school and a coach. And if you think he should for the love of the sport, then you better be giving out your paychecks too.
Why should Zion protect a school like Duke? These top tier colleges make millions off these kids and these white old geezers taking in charge of the profit and they use these kids. It's a shame. That's why I can't stand college sports for this reason.
Minox Knoctis contract a poor kids GOD givin ability...they know these kids and their patents are Hungry...not a fair contract when you consider the graduation rate...kid gives his consideration to the contract school gives NO gauranteed consideration to the athlete...maybe you will graduate and get a good job...but the TV and Confrence contracts guarantee they get paid as long as they field a team of kids...shits like tenant farming...sweat shop...
I ain’t going to lie Max destroyed S.A.S. “Why shouldn’t the athletes use the system to their advantage just like the system use the athletes to their advantage” 💯💯💯 BARZZ
Straight facts! It's already happening in NCAAF too! If Zion was playing football and sat out couple games at the end of the season and a bowl game to get ready for the combine, there wouldn't BE a conversation!
He wouldn't be using the system, it would be fraud. If he is really injured enough to sit out the season thats fine but if he can come back but doesn't ever that is him lying to protect his "shoe deal" or NBA future. How the hell would you feel as an NBA team if a star says he wants to sit just so he preserve himself to next years offers? I mean he agreed to play for the team when he has alternatives so he should play if he is 100%. He shouldn't be forced to play not 100% but skipping out of commitments now will set a poor precedent.
@@TMZahida226 Actually there would be, you don't think the media would have a field day if a starting QB sat out the college playoffs then the title game to get ready for the NFL? I agree the NCAA system isn't fair to many athletes but he agreed to play at Duke and be compensated for his time so he should fulfill it like any contract if he can.
The fact that schools say they benefit by getting a education is hilarious considering how 99% of schools let football and basketball players pass classes so they can play on game day. If they really cared about the education of these athletes they wouldn't just let them pass they're classes.
I still haven't seen a student athlete choose to become a doctor with their education. Even their free education is a manipulation to keep them playing ball.
Man I have friends who went to uconn back when Kemba walker was in school he said he only saw him in class like twice all year college education for student athletes is a fucking joke
I do wanna know what kind of wingnut thinks the cost of a college education is = to the millions poured into the pockets of the NCAA executives, the media circuses and the school executives and coaches. A college coaches pay check could afford a dozen college student grants
They get free school, free housing,free food, medical, and a few hundred dollars a week to spend before they make it to the nba to make millions. If they get paid then they should lose the benefits. They also have an insurance policy like zion has an 8 million dollar insurance plan
Hasn't proved anything. He's playing against boys and he's a man. If he doesn't play he will show he cares for himself over the team and I'm sure that decision will be negative for him.
I live in NC. Millions is such an understatement man. College sports is LIFE for these people down here. They don't support the professional damn teams half as much. The likes of Duke, Clemson, UNC, and USC are literally printing money based on the kids that play for their sports programs. Printing. Money.
@@xaviergeorge3359 Why do YOU care about that?? What happened to the National BASKETBALL Association, and why does it now seem to be the "Make tall blacks rich league"??? Y'all talking about "people's pockets" yet will be the same to say "Don't speak on his money"; FUCKING JOKE!! Y'all collecting salary info like baseball fans collate stats; EMBARRASSING!!! And, after all this protesting on their behalf, have they given you so much as a dollar??? FUCK NO!! But sure, "Some random black dude I've never met is now a millionaire; isn't MY life grand". Y'all now Steve Balmer is a BILLIONAIRE, right?? You know Cuban OWNS the Mavs, right?? But sure, "Woohoo, employee #23 got a max deal"; SIGH!!! *Aim higher*
lets say he plays and blows his knee on some brandon roy stuff.........then what ......he's going be called a fool by the sports media, and then forgotten the next week frfrfr
Unethical? Since when did he have to play college basketball. We all know he was trying to get to the NBA asap. He doesn't owe the NCAA anything! They have been making billions of dollars off athletes like him while they make nothing.
Stephen a lost af in this video when max went off with those fancy words he was lost😂😂😂😂 and made the face of a man who is pretending to be appalled and angry but on the inside he’s lost😂😜
yeah, tell the people who's paying 50k a year in tution and not sure how they're going to pay for the rest. it's not free, it's 200k worth or tution, free housing, food and perks... I know most don't care until THEY have to pay for college
He ain't working for free, he's getting a free education while not having to study at all from one of the best universities in the world. If he got a career ending injury in his first NBA game, he would still have a diploma from Duke that would get him a good job practically anywhere in the modern world.
JR N that is such an ignorant take. These guys are there for a YEAR. You take general Ed classes your first year before you even get into your major. He is there to play basketball my guy. The Bachelor's degree is already damn near extinct for us regular ass people unless you majored in Finance, Accounting, STEM, Pharmacy, Nursing, or Physical Therapy. I think we'd all chase millions rather than a fucking degree
@@frankheck2854 nobody made them go to school and pay 50k that was thier choice. free market capitalism buddy he can go make money in the nba. i get that commies like you enjoy free labor but we dont.
I’m gonna be honest I usually really don’t like max but it’s not even close here. He destroyed Stephen A, WE NEED MORE PEOPLE Sticking up for the athletes NOT THE SYSTEM!
Zion is going to be really good but injuries are going to limit his potential. Being 285 pounds and jumping really high and landing on the ground every game is going to crush his legs.
Go Bucks it’s tough for anybody to handle 285 pounding landing on the ground hard every game for 15-20 years. Zions legs will give his some injury problems. I’m hoping the best for him though
Jrock420blam He’s not that either. He’s a college athlete playing at one of the best universities on a scholarship. He’s free to leave anytime he wants. Saying shit like this is disrespectful to people who are/were slaves all around the world. You’re just parroting some shit you heard someone else say but you sound like an idiot
@@chromeheart2526 Church it up all you want Morty, just because there is a modern twist on it doesn't change anything, a spade is a spade. Keep swinging until you strike out if you want lol
Jrock420blam This “morty” shit is pretty cringe lmao. Often times indentured slaves had to work for pennies to earn their freedom. They couldn’t leave. Players like Zion can leave anytime they want. It’s not the same no matter how much you try to make it the same. You tell me why you think collegiate sports is equal to slavery so I can rip apart that argument lol
Not the point at all. The point is IF Zion decided to bump the rest of the season, he don't owe shit to nobody. He has a right to play if he wants to...but damn the "He should stay because" bullshit.
@@ThomasFromTN the problem is that zion actually can skip rest of the season without any penalty... there is nobody left to punish him for being an idiot... its all about numbers these days... the world suck...
@@martinmikkelsen8183 How does not playing make him an idiot? with potentially 100+ million on the line, and the ability to forever impact your family, would you not do the same?
There is no reason he should stay at play for DUKE. He has already got the highest honor in his future profession, what's the point in staying there. No one else would stay in school if they were given the highest honor in their future profession. NO ONE!
Is it just me or does Stephen A Smith use yelling to counter valid points instead of constructing a logical argument. He's such a Diva 😂😂 it's so annoying when he comes on TV
College Senior who received a job offer in junior year = "I'm taking this year off." Zion Williamson who's got a job offer in freshman year = "I'm taking this year off." Let me know when this Stephen A Smith guy applies this same fervor for the rest of America that he's applying to Williamson.
SAS You were straight GARBAGE with your argument on this point. First, the analogy of Max walking out in the middle of a show would be comparable to Zion walking off the court in the middle of a game, not the middle of a season. Second...what part of Everybody gettin' paid but the players are you somehow trying to restate? Duke, National Championship...so what? Neither pays the bills if a player who could get paid millions going pro gets hurt paying everybody but himself by staying in college. [By the way - I was actually accepted to Duke, but turned THEM down...so don't even try the "You just hatin'" nonsense.] It's easy to recognize when even YOU [How do you say it? YOOOOUUUUU] are losing an argument...you try to out-talk, out-preen, out-bully the person who is challenging your viewpoint. By the way - nothing personal. I actually defended YOOOOUUUU with someone I thought was being just as ridiculously biased against YOOOOOUUUU for saying LeVeon Bell would fit at Carolina, just as you are tryna win this argument with NOTHING.
Both sides right but max more right tbh we black nd ion think zions a lawyer or a doc dont fumble the bag you might not see this chance again rj nd cam nd coach ain't donating no M's
Wow that's rude tell me where I'm wrong tho like with logic guys since you both wanna take shots at intelligence lets have a discussion I thought that's what the comments was for
"Why shouldn't the athlete use the system, the way the system uses the athlete"? Perfect summary of Max's points . As soon as Max said that it was checkmate. He should have said that line at the beggining of the video though, not the end.
The point of this is because Zion got hurt if any high draft prospect gets tweaked they should shut it down. If RJ hurt his knee the exact same way he should shut it down. The risk doesn't outweigh the reward
Yes. Exactly. If you're good enough to be in the NBA out of high school, that's where you should go. That option has been forcibly (and unethically, one might argue) taken out of the player's hands. This is a potential result of that.
They goal of college is to make more money than regular paying jobs....sas is lame talking about unethical to a 18 year old kid like ethics mean very much in his life right now....don't kids have the right to change their minds and make mistakes? Sas making it seem like its going to be something you can look back on zions career and be like look he's not this or that....he's a kid let him do what's he feels best...you don't need no damn college experience...only people that have fun in college are the people with the means to maintain in college...it's alot more people that will say college was an bad experience....these analyst are trash
People are completely missing S.A point he’s pretty much saying why sign up for ncaa if chance of injury is a reason you quit mid season but in today’s world all that matters is money
If you want to play in the NBA you almost always have to sign up to the NCAA. Sure you can do something else your last year like play in europe for example but nothing will give you the exposure for that 1 year like the NCAA. The real solution is to get rid of the one and done rule and just let players be drafted out of HS
? if you are going with the stereotype that Jewish people are shills then clearly you should see he is being the opposite of that. Shoe brands monopolize on the colleges and the players and colleges profit off of players' free labor. That's exploitation. These kids should have the right to wear what ever shoe brand they want as everyone's feet are different and therefore have different needs to fit their performance. You are forced to wear a brand that has features that are not fit for you, your game suffers and your future suffers because Nike and Duke care more about profit than people. That is the opposite of the stereotype you're portraying. Max said it himself, "Why shouldn’t the athletes use the system to their advantage just like the system use the athletes to their advantage"... L for you
I completely agree with Max, "it's a business nothing personal" is the approach you have to take because that's how you get the max out of the situation. Plus, that will be the approach when it comes to you the athlete.
1) Pay the players 2) Charge them for tuition, books, lodging, fees and expenses the same as any college student not on a scholarship 3) Uphold the grades--they don't play if their GPA sucks
How is this any different than the Nick Bosa situation at Ohio State if Zion decides to sit the rest of the year and I hear no one slating Nick Bosa for his decision
So what does he do just drop out of school? Is that even allowed? If he wanted to stop playing how could he even do that? Wouldn't Duke take his scholarship ? Isn't a rule he has to play a year of college ball to be eligible for the NBA?
I'm confused. If Zion wanted to play for a year while getting paid why didn't he go to the G league? That way even if things didn't work out he could still walk away with 125k in his pocket to pay for school if he wanted to. Am I missing something here?
yes, you are missing how much greed has poisioned our society to the point where 1 million dollars isnt enough. Zion should just stay all four years and say fuck the NBA in my opinion. He will never be poor in his life no matter what he decides.
I find it interesting that the black media reporters takes the side of black athletes supporting the system and not looking out for themselves, while the white media reporter says they should look out for themselves lol
this is 2 videos in a row where max makes stephen look bad... he's right. the NCAA system uses these kids to make more than a billion dollars per year, they should all be looking to use that system to the best of their ability. zion used it and launched himself from a probable top 5 pick to the guaranteed #1 pick and now the biggest shoe deal any rookie will ever get. he's done, there's no reason to keep going. get some rest, heal up any nagging injuries along with that knee, start training and prep for your rookie season, because guys are going to come after him in his rookie season to make an example out of him. if he's not already focused on that it will be a loooong year for him.
Kellerman (direct quote): "The unethical thing is sometimes the smart thing or even the RIGHT thing to do." You'd have to try hard to broadcast a more disgusting message than that to the youth of this country. The only person who should "shut it down" is Kellerman.
If Zion decides to come back on the court for Duke, and decides to wear Adidas, And1, Underarmour, Puma, Converse...u can bet Nike WILL NOT sue Zion or Duke due to the contract without risking antagonizing next year's #1 NBA draft pick. Zion if he wants can wear whatever he damn wants.
If players can't play or something happens, they lose their so-called scholarship. When is the reform in the NCAA going to happen already, ugh. It's so early 1900s, ew.
No one has any right to criticize Zion Williamsom if he decides to sit the rest of the season. It's ironic that we're talking about ethics with this young man's life when he plays for the NCAA, an organization that makes BILLIONS off of their "student" athletes!
Whenever Stephen A. knows he lost a debate, he’ll just make that same face to try to make it seem like the other person doesn’t make sense but really it’s him who made the weaker argument
If Zion is able to play, but chooses to bail out of the rest of the season in pursuit of the NBA draft, he should have the guts to publically acknowledge "When it comes down to it, my teammates, coaches, and fans are not a priority to me: I'm all about the money. And whoever drafts me, keep the same in mind. I'll jump ship on all of you at the first opportunity to expand my wealth and brand."
What's so bad about being all about the money? That might be considered a good attribute to have in the NBA because that says to a team that he wouldn't leave the team so long as you give him a lot of money and won't take a paycut to win a ring with another team.
You have to wonder if is shoe was possibly tampered with?? I don't think a shoe has ever blown out like that. Maybe the opposing team was pulling a "shoegate"....
Don’t know if anyone pointed it out already but kyrie did same thing, when he shut his season down 11 games in. No one could fault him if he shut it down. Stephen A just arguing
Max Kellerman: " Use the system like the system uses you." That's it. Thats all.
that's the drop the mic moment right there....its like most are on ncaa's side. and don't these guys get paid enough to go back to school?? and can go to school on their own time and hire the best tutors etc??
Facts
Its fucking ridiculous. I don't understand how anyone could be on NCAAs side. Pay these effing kids or let them go pro. It's incredibly unfair that the NCAA and the NBA are COLLUDING TOGETHER to make kids play in college. Sure they could go overseas...but that shouldn't be their only options. Free tuition is WORTHLESS compared to even like...one year of salary for kids who are good enough to make the jump from highschool to the NBA. The NBA wants to protect itself from draft busts...and the NCAA wants big names so they can sell a shit load of merchandise...but who's looking out for the kids?
@@RobbieStacks90 They did what they wanted to do ? They should have been paid back then too. They are practically forced to play in the NCAA. Back when Duncan played you could go pro right out of highschool. Now they don't allow that.
@@RobbieStacks90 you could...but look what it did to Brandon Jennings and Emmanuel Mudiay. These are 18 year old KIDS. It's a little harsh to expect them to go overseas where they know no one. Where they won't face the same sort of competition. And where their draft stock will sink. The may not literally be forcing them to play in college but practically they are...if they go overseas they get punished ...why is it that basketball players are forced to play in college? We don't do that with baseball players. We force football players to play in college too. Which might make a little more sense for safety reasons...but we still can't pretend the real reason we do it isnt because these school just want $$$. We can't pretend we are looking out for these kids when ...if these fucking kids are hungry and want a cheeseburger from McDonald's its against NCAA rules for a coach who's making MILLIONS off that kid to buy him a fucking cheeseburger. We can't pretend it's about the kids when if the don't get drafted they won't let him return to play in college, we can't pretend it's about the kids where they can't do a commercial for some money. They sure as fuck don't take away scholarships if someone from the performing arts department appears in a commercial, we can't pretend it's about the kids when Reggie Bush can be (maybe) the best college running back ever...but because he accepted a car and some things for his family his name is erased from the history books, we can't say it's for the kids when some of them grow up with NOTHING...if they accept a gift to help their family out their career is ruined. It's about $$$. It's about rich white guys not wanting to share the wealth ESPECIALLY not with some black teenagers from the projects like is often the case...it's fucking ridiculous. These athletes put in an insane amount of work for absolutely NOTHING. Zion doesn't owe the school fucking anything. He might owe it to his teammates ...but he owes the school NOTHING. If you want loyalty treat your athletes like people. People who put their future careers and future $$$ on the line EVERY TIME THEY PLAY. They don't need to be millionaires in college...pay them enough to at least acknowledge that they are working their asses off for the school.
I don’t even like max, but he wiped the floor with Stephen A on this topic
The entire reason why zion is so big rn is bc he went to college. Infact before the season started Rj barrett was the consensus number 1 pick.
Jeremiah Gilyard That’s great, but like max said at the end of the video.. The ncaa has been using these kids for their benefit for years, so we can’t be mad when somebody turns the tables on them. Zion got what he needed from college, now he needs to focus on his career & put himself first because if he tears his Achilles or has a career ending injury, the ncaa ain’t gonna take care of him
@@frosty2.010 i have been watching zion since middle school zion would of been great regardless he didn't need college
Turnabout is fair play
Nah they both made valid points
Im with Max
People want this kid to sell his future to protect a school and a coach. And if you think he should for the love of the sport, then you better be giving out your paychecks too.
Big stupid ass FACTS
Why should Zion protect a school like Duke? These top tier colleges make millions off these kids and these white old geezers taking in charge of the profit and they use these kids. It's a shame. That's why I can't stand college sports for this reason.
Big facts
Lenox W Max is no doubt the most intelligent person on this show...Stephen A has become garbage personified!!!🤣
Minox Knoctis contract a poor kids GOD givin ability...they know these kids and their patents are Hungry...not a fair contract when you consider the graduation rate...kid gives his consideration to the contract school gives NO gauranteed consideration to the athlete...maybe you will graduate and get a good job...but the TV and Confrence contracts guarantee they get paid as long as they field a team of kids...shits like tenant farming...sweat shop...
I ain’t going to lie Max destroyed S.A.S. “Why shouldn’t the athletes use the system to their advantage just like the system use the athletes to their advantage” 💯💯💯 BARZZ
Straight facts! It's already happening in NCAAF too! If Zion was playing football and sat out couple games at the end of the season and a bowl game to get ready for the combine, there wouldn't BE a conversation!
The rapper in him showed out
He wouldn't be using the system, it would be fraud. If he is really injured enough to sit out the season thats fine but if he can come back but doesn't ever that is him lying to protect his "shoe deal" or NBA future. How the hell would you feel as an NBA team if a star says he wants to sit just so he preserve himself to next years offers? I mean he agreed to play for the team when he has alternatives so he should play if he is 100%. He shouldn't be forced to play not 100% but skipping out of commitments now will set a poor precedent.
@@TMZahida226 Actually there would be, you don't think the media would have a field day if a starting QB sat out the college playoffs then the title game to get ready for the NFL? I agree the NCAA system isn't fair to many athletes but he agreed to play at Duke and be compensated for his time so he should fulfill it like any contract if he can.
@@minoxknoctis5851 it's been happening in football a lot more. Many top draft picks sat out their bowl games to prepare for the NFL draft.
The fact that schools say they benefit by getting a education is hilarious considering how 99% of schools let football and basketball players pass classes so they can play on game day. If they really cared about the education of these athletes they wouldn't just let them pass they're classes.
I still haven't seen a student athlete choose to become a doctor with their education. Even their free education is a manipulation to keep them playing ball.
Man I have friends who went to uconn back when Kemba walker was in school he said he only saw him in class like twice all year college education for student athletes is a fucking joke
I do wanna know what kind of wingnut thinks the cost of a college education is = to the millions poured into the pockets of the NCAA executives, the media circuses and the school executives and coaches. A college coaches pay check could afford a dozen college student grants
@@kevinfry1850 I'm sure Kenzel is well versed in Swahili 🙄
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They get free school, free housing,free food, medical, and a few hundred dollars a week to spend before they make it to the nba to make millions. If they get paid then they should lose the benefits. They also have an insurance policy like zion has an 8 million dollar insurance plan
NCAA championship means absolutely nothing. He's already proven he's NBA ready and he has nothing to prove or gain by playing at this point.
FUCKING FACTS
Hasn't proved anything. He's playing against boys and he's a man. If he doesn't play he will show he cares for himself over the team and I'm sure that decision will be negative for him.
@@keithtestaverde3712 you just proved his point.
@@mscooldeadly whats dumb about it
I'm sure Carmelo would trade his national championship for an NBA championship
Rich people always tell somebody to don’t look at money when that’s all they do 😂😂
Thank you!
It's easy for Jalen Rose & Charles Barkley to talk about staying in school because they got the bag already.
thats how they became rich in the first place ... use people, and eliminate competition
Facts on top of FACTS!
I live in NC. Millions is such an understatement man. College sports is LIFE for these people down here. They don't support the professional damn teams half as much.
The likes of Duke, Clemson, UNC, and USC are literally printing money based on the kids that play for their sports programs. Printing. Money.
@Arii price FACTS!! I live in Greenville SC 864 ,
Who benefits if Zion continue to play? Will that NCAA title boost his draft stock and shoe deals? Being healthy and safe should be his top priority.
Who benefits if he's drafted first and has a season ending injury in game 1??
@@darrengordon-hill he does. 100 million dollar shoe deal before he's drafted + 40 million for his first contact.
@@darrengordon-hill duhhhhh. Guaranteed contract
Zion needs to remember what he set out to do. BECOME A NBA PLAYER!!!!
@@xaviergeorge3359 Why do YOU care about that??
What happened to the National BASKETBALL Association, and why does it now seem to be the "Make tall blacks rich league"???
Y'all talking about "people's pockets" yet will be the same to say "Don't speak on his money"; FUCKING JOKE!!
Y'all collecting salary info like baseball fans collate stats; EMBARRASSING!!!
And, after all this protesting on their behalf, have they given you so much as a dollar??? FUCK NO!!
But sure, "Some random black dude I've never met is now a millionaire; isn't MY life grand".
Y'all now Steve Balmer is a BILLIONAIRE, right??
You know Cuban OWNS the Mavs, right??
But sure, "Woohoo, employee #23 got a max deal"; SIGH!!!
*Aim higher*
lets say he plays and blows his knee on some brandon roy stuff.........then what ......he's going be called a fool by the sports media, and then forgotten the next week frfrfr
Brandon Roy didn't blow his knee out he had a degenerative knee problem so his career was doomed wither way
What does blowing your knee matter if you already signed a 100 million $ shoe deal? 30 million lol ok thanks
or worse, they will hype up what a competitor he is then forget about him next week while he struggles to make a living.
John Davis Lls omg bro it’s an example of a knee injury ..... smdh
Nah just blew his cheap Nike shoe in half
Max Destroyed SAS!!! My gawd I actually agree
I was embarrased for Stevie
lol max and stephen a making it awkward for molly
vstars 123 molly needs to shut the fuck up
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@@colmen100 like you
Alamin Abadin I think he talking about the fact they brought up Jalen Rose
Max 5:26 - Molly knows him too! 😂
Slick
Jalen popped Molly? Lol
They’re married.
F4TaLProjektZ woowww. I had no idea. That’s crazy!
@@jazzgordan4205 Yeah they've been married for a few months now.
Damn, I love watching these 2 go at it coming home from work lol
Maybe he takes the bus
Unethical? Since when did he have to play college basketball. We all know he was trying to get to the NBA asap. He doesn't owe the NCAA anything! They have been making billions of dollars off athletes like him while they make nothing.
Next game Zion going to be repping sketches
Stephen a lost af in this video when max went off with those fancy words he was lost😂😂😂😂 and made the face of a man who is pretending to be appalled and angry but on the inside he’s lost😂😜
No body should have a problem if he doesn't want to work for free anymore
yeah, tell the people who's paying 50k a year in tution and not sure how they're going to pay for the rest. it's not free, it's 200k worth or tution, free housing, food and perks... I know most don't care until THEY have to pay for college
He ain't working for free, he's getting a free education while not having to study at all from one of the best universities in the world. If he got a career ending injury in his first NBA game, he would still have a diploma from Duke that would get him a good job practically anywhere in the modern world.
JR N that is such an ignorant take. These guys are there for a YEAR. You take general Ed classes your first year before you even get into your major. He is there to play basketball my guy. The Bachelor's degree is already damn near extinct for us regular ass people unless you majored in Finance, Accounting, STEM, Pharmacy, Nursing, or Physical Therapy. I think we'd all chase millions rather than a fucking degree
@@frankheck2854 nobody made them go to school and pay 50k that was thier choice. free market capitalism buddy he can go make money in the nba. i get that commies like you enjoy free labor but we dont.
@@frankheck2854 you make us millions of dollars and we'll let you live in a small apartment give you a sandwich and some school work
Max wipes the floor with SAS everyday!
Not everyday just this time
@@karmaok6657 I'd say 87.2% of the time
I was unethical and kicked Shaq out of his dream come true in L.A!
Stop acting like you're Kobe....fake
r u the real kobe
@@overfrau6829 no he's not...smh
@@TT-xi7op L
Did the right thing 💪💪
I’m gonna be honest I usually really don’t like max but it’s not even close here. He destroyed Stephen A, WE NEED MORE PEOPLE Sticking up for the athletes NOT THE SYSTEM!
Zion is going to be really good but injuries are going to limit his potential. Being 285 pounds and jumping really high and landing on the ground every game is going to crush his legs.
Not true, his frame can handle it so it's no different than a normal athlete doing it.
Like he just woke up one day and was 285.. I know it's hard for an average Joe to relate .. his body isn't yours thoo
Lebron is now 280...I think Zion will be fine. It was the damn shoe. Those PG shoes were cheaply made. Good shoes wouldve prevented that injury
Go Bucks it’s tough for anybody to handle 285 pounding landing on the ground hard every game for 15-20 years. Zions legs will give his some injury problems. I’m hoping the best for him though
Not true.
A slave running from his master would be "unethical" because they are property but isn't it more unethical to own the slave?
Jrock420blam
Zion is not a slave.
@@chromeheart2526 fine indentured servant, just slavery with extra steps Morty.
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He’s not that either. He’s a college athlete playing at one of the best universities on a scholarship. He’s free to leave anytime he wants.
Saying shit like this is disrespectful to people who are/were slaves all around the world. You’re just parroting some shit you heard someone else say but you sound like an idiot
@@chromeheart2526 Church it up all you want Morty, just because there is a modern twist on it doesn't change anything, a spade is a spade. Keep swinging until you strike out if you want lol
Jrock420blam
This “morty” shit is pretty cringe lmao. Often times indentured slaves had to work for pennies to earn their freedom. They couldn’t leave.
Players like Zion can leave anytime they want. It’s not the same no matter how much you try to make it the same.
You tell me why you think collegiate sports is equal to slavery so I can rip apart that argument lol
Zion has already said he’s not that person so let’s stop this discussion
Not the point at all. The point is IF Zion decided to bump the rest of the season, he don't owe shit to nobody. He has a right to play if he wants to...but damn the "He should stay because" bullshit.
@@ThomasFromTN the problem is that zion actually can skip rest of the season without any penalty... there is nobody left to punish him for being an idiot... its all about numbers these days... the world suck...
@@martinmikkelsen8183 How does not playing make him an idiot? with potentially 100+ million on the line, and the ability to forever impact your family, would you not do the same?
There is no reason he should stay at play for DUKE. He has already got the highest honor in his future profession, what's the point in staying there. No one else would stay in school if they were given the highest honor in their future profession. NO ONE!
A lot of people who watch & comment on sports are quitters and followers. Of course Williamson should finish what he started.
Stephen A Smith: Coming from a Basketball Perspective
Max Kellerman: Business Perspective
Max is 1000% right... I’m out 😂 💰
Is it just me or does Stephen A Smith use yelling to counter valid points instead of constructing a logical argument. He's such a Diva 😂😂 it's so annoying when he comes on TV
College Senior who received a job offer in junior year = "I'm taking this year off."
Zion Williamson who's got a job offer in freshman year = "I'm taking this year off."
Let me know when this Stephen A Smith guy applies this same fervor for the rest of America that he's applying to Williamson.
5:02 Max has some serious rap talent right there.
SAS You were straight GARBAGE with your argument on this point. First, the analogy of Max walking out in the middle of a show would be comparable to Zion walking off the court in the middle of a game, not the middle of a season. Second...what part of Everybody gettin' paid but the players are you somehow trying to restate? Duke, National Championship...so what? Neither pays the bills if a player who could get paid millions going pro gets hurt paying everybody but himself by staying in college. [By the way - I was actually accepted to Duke, but turned THEM down...so don't even try the "You just hatin'" nonsense.]
It's easy to recognize when even YOU [How do you say it? YOOOOUUUUU] are losing an argument...you try to out-talk, out-preen, out-bully the person who is challenging your viewpoint.
By the way - nothing personal. I actually defended YOOOOUUUU with someone I thought was being just as ridiculously biased against YOOOOOUUUU for saying LeVeon Bell would fit at Carolina, just as you are tryna win this argument with NOTHING.
This was a great discussion. Max makes a good point but man Molly is gorgeous.
Both sides right but max more right tbh we black nd ion think zions a lawyer or a doc dont fumble the bag you might not see this chance again rj nd cam nd coach ain't donating no M's
English please! Do you speak it!
Wow that's rude tell me where I'm wrong tho like with logic guys since you both wanna take shots at intelligence lets have a discussion I thought that's what the comments was for
@@sunnylusburner8108 for my whole life miss
@@FYMASMD sorry bro if you got a good enough phone itll read it for you
I understood what you wrote just because I lived in Indy for a while, but yeeesh. Definitely hard to read for people who dont know the lingo.
SAS "Jalen Rose means a lot more to Molly" LMAO!!!!!!!
Good job max
"Why shouldn't the athlete use the system, the way the system uses the athlete"?
Perfect summary of Max's points . As soon as Max said that it was checkmate. He should have said that line at the beggining of the video though, not the end.
Well then rj and cam and tre should stop playing too. Save it for the nba right. Same with all the other lottery pick one and done guys lol.
Are there stocks as high as Zion's tho?
@jimbosjams21 no
The point of this is because Zion got hurt if any high draft prospect gets tweaked they should shut it down. If RJ hurt his knee the exact same way he should shut it down. The risk doesn't outweigh the reward
Rj and cam are not guaranteed 100 mil dollars on a shoe deal, they have nowhere the sealing of zion
Yes. Exactly. If you're good enough to be in the NBA out of high school, that's where you should go. That option has been forcibly (and unethically, one might argue) taken out of the player's hands. This is a potential result of that.
“Why can’t the Athlete use the System when the System uses the Athlete”- Max
PREACH!
They goal of college is to make more money than regular paying jobs....sas is lame talking about unethical to a 18 year old kid like ethics mean very much in his life right now....don't kids have the right to change their minds and make mistakes? Sas making it seem like its going to be something you can look back on zions career and be like look he's not this or that....he's a kid let him do what's he feels best...you don't need no damn college experience...only people that have fun in college are the people with the means to maintain in college...it's alot more people that will say college was an bad experience....these analyst are trash
Man I loved afternoons with max and Marcellus best sports radio show ever.
He’s getting fatter and fatter. He’s gonna be 350 by 22, and not muscle weight...
Ben Simmons and you’re a rookie again this year.
With a better jumper than you
Bitch nigga you can't even shoot 3s
Agreed with Max! “Why not use the system the way the system uses you?”
College uses Athletes, Athletes uses college... nothing is free
Zion is playing again so y'all can stop with that
Zion is the catalyst for a larger conversation. He isn't the first person a situation like this has happened to, and he won't be the last.
NLMB GBE OTF... now their next topic was once he is back is gonna be...”was it smart for Zion to come back”?
I love these "I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU!"
"P E A C E"
People are completely missing S.A point he’s pretty much saying why sign up for ncaa if chance of injury is a reason you quit mid season but in today’s world all that matters is money
If you want to play in the NBA you almost always have to sign up to the NCAA. Sure you can do something else your last year like play in europe for example but nothing will give you the exposure for that 1 year like the NCAA. The real solution is to get rid of the one and done rule and just let players be drafted out of HS
Maybe true in the 80s-00s but witht the internet and guys like luka for example theses nba scouts will come to you especially for a guy like Zion
But I agree that one and done rule with the nba is the real problem here looks like that may be changed soon tho
This is his first taste of adversity, I'm interested to see if he's gonna fold & quit.
Bruh not everyone got it like u. Money has been the point of everything for last thousand years. Put your angel wings down and come join reality.
When stephen a say it's about you lol I was rolling
lol Max Jewness is showing
? if you are going with the stereotype that Jewish people are shills then clearly you should see he is being the opposite of that. Shoe brands monopolize on the colleges and the players and colleges profit off of players' free labor. That's exploitation. These kids should have the right to wear what ever shoe brand they want as everyone's feet are different and therefore have different needs to fit their performance. You are forced to wear a brand that has features that are not fit for you, your game suffers and your future suffers because Nike and Duke care more about profit than people. That is the opposite of the stereotype you're portraying. Max said it himself, "Why shouldn’t the athletes use the system to their advantage just like the system use the athletes to their advantage"... L for you
I just watched these two on 2x speed and is this what an aneurysm tastes like?
Duke isn't letting him sit. We winning it all this year
Letting him?
We winning @@WPwillsavetheworld
It's his decision
@@FirstPlace97 Duke can't make him play he not on contract/getting paid he has all da power in choice
Slavery is over can't make him do nothing he don't want to do while he isn't being paid 🤣
😂😂 “IM TALKING ABOUT YOU MAX!!” 🤣🤣
Stephen A is not going to give Zion one Cent if he gets hurts and misses out on millions
If somebody had informed me that I had won the Powerball in the middle of work....
Steven knows how to fuck up a good and productive conversation
The Classic Vintage Max is back thank god
"why shouldn't an athlete use the system like the system uses the athlete"-max kellerman
something to think about.
Max once again destroys Stephen A with logic.
I love these 2
it wasn't the shoe, it was his lack of flexibility. Men tend to think that "stretching" is sissified.
I completely agree with Max, "it's a business nothing personal" is the approach you have to take because that's how you get the max out of the situation. Plus, that will be the approach when it comes to you the athlete.
Max would've quit in the middle of the show if it was best for him. ESPN brass taking notes about his loyalty and ethics.
Max spitting facts!!!
Max woke up this moring like
"you know what imma say a bunch of stupid shit today to piss Stephen A off"
“YOU Max Kellerman” 😂
1) Pay the players
2) Charge them for tuition, books, lodging, fees and expenses the same as any college student not on a scholarship
3) Uphold the grades--they don't play if their GPA sucks
Shiggy changed the way I look at A Stephen 😂😂😂
How is this any different than the Nick Bosa situation at Ohio State if Zion decides to sit the rest of the year and I hear no one slating Nick Bosa for his decision
This conversation shows you should never have Max as a teammate ever
SAS didn't seem to understand what Max was saying at first.
The media don’t think about the Duke fans when they say things like ”Zion should not play anymore this season”
Fuck Duke fans.
Please. Duke fans were there before Zion, and they'll be there after him.
So what does he do just drop out of school? Is that even allowed? If he wanted to stop playing how could he even do that? Wouldn't Duke take his scholarship ? Isn't a rule he has to play a year of college ball to be eligible for the NBA?
I'm confused. If Zion wanted to play for a year while getting paid why didn't he go to the G league? That way even if things didn't work out he could still walk away with 125k in his pocket to pay for school if he wanted to. Am I missing something here?
yes, you are missing how much greed has poisioned our society to the point where 1 million dollars isnt enough. Zion should just stay all four years and say fuck the NBA in my opinion. He will never be poor in his life no matter what he decides.
I don't think he could have gone to the g league. That only started for this year's seniors.
Stephen only yells when he's losing an argument like this clip.
I find it interesting that the black media reporters takes the side of black athletes supporting the system and not looking out for themselves, while the white media reporter says they should look out for themselves lol
Look at how Stephen gets heated when actual figures are mentioned. He knows nobody is willing to give up 100 mil over a free game🙄
To label this kid unethical or even have this hovering over his name is unfair. Headline should be changed!
He should sit until the draft, but if he does come back and wins the tournament, it’ll add a lot to his legacy/brand.
Best part of this segment is no Molly
GODDAMN!! These two went all out!
this is 2 videos in a row where max makes stephen look bad... he's right. the NCAA system uses these kids to make more than a billion dollars per year, they should all be looking to use that system to the best of their ability. zion used it and launched himself from a probable top 5 pick to the guaranteed #1 pick and now the biggest shoe deal any rookie will ever get. he's done, there's no reason to keep going. get some rest, heal up any nagging injuries along with that knee, start training and prep for your rookie season, because guys are going to come after him in his rookie season to make an example out of him. if he's not already focused on that it will be a loooong year for him.
lmao.. their voice fading out at the end shhhhh
Kellerman (direct quote): "The unethical thing is sometimes the smart thing or even the RIGHT thing to do." You'd have to try hard to broadcast a more disgusting message than that to the youth of this country. The only person who should "shut it down" is Kellerman.
Zion is a special player, can’t compare him to regular players, leave Duke & focus on the draft ... get that money
Stephen A is Joe Budden and Max is Akademiks
Use the system like the system uses you WELL SAID MAX
It's NOT even about the money! It's about the chance to live out a dream. Don't risk further injury for Duke.
Max always reminding people he listens to rap
The value Zion adds is millions compared to the two semesters of free one time use textbooks. At least pay for his Netflix subscription.
If Zion decides to come back on the court for Duke, and decides to wear Adidas, And1, Underarmour, Puma, Converse...u can bet Nike WILL NOT sue Zion or Duke due to the contract without risking antagonizing next year's #1 NBA draft pick. Zion if he wants can wear whatever he damn wants.
Stephen A always cracks me up😂😂😂😂
If players can't play or something happens, they lose their so-called scholarship. When is the reform in the NCAA going to happen already, ugh. It's so early 1900s, ew.
Max spittin nothing but the truth!!!!
Damn, even ESPN on UA-cam is Obsessed with Zion
No one has any right to criticize Zion Williamsom if he decides to sit the rest of the season. It's ironic that we're talking about ethics with this young man's life when he plays for the NCAA, an organization that makes BILLIONS off of their "student" athletes!
Every time he’s losing a debate too max he interrupts him and changing the narrative
Whenever Stephen A. knows he lost a debate, he’ll just make that same face to try to make it seem like the other person doesn’t make sense but really it’s him who made the weaker argument
Pure entertainment. I love it......Max is right on this one.
As Scott Stewart told Kobe and Keyshawn.
CONTROVERSY = MONEY
If Zion is able to play, but chooses to bail out of the rest of the season in pursuit of the NBA draft, he should have the guts to publically acknowledge "When it comes down to it, my teammates, coaches, and fans are not a priority to me: I'm all about the money. And whoever drafts me, keep the same in mind. I'll jump ship on all of you at the first opportunity to expand my wealth and brand."
What's so bad about being all about the money? That might be considered a good attribute to have in the NBA because that says to a team that he wouldn't leave the team so long as you give him a lot of money and won't take a paycut to win a ring with another team.
Max is acting real will cain-like nowadays. Its bringing life to the show.. I think it's working
Max is allowed to be near the grill at the cookout
You have to wonder if is shoe was possibly tampered with?? I don't think a shoe has ever blown out like that. Maybe the opposing team was pulling a "shoegate"....
Don’t know if anyone pointed it out already but kyrie did same thing, when he shut his season down 11 games in. No one could fault him if he shut it down. Stephen A just arguing