What always bothered me about this game was how quick and easy Sarah just writes off and forgets snow, who was her fiancee and did everything to save her in the first place. Even when she dies, no snow mentioned. So much for love lol
??? She talk about snow countless of time at the beginning what do you mean ? And then during her adventure would you always talk about you fiancé? It will be a bit weirn ain'it
@@khiem8488 yeah I agree. If anything she NEVER stops talking about him. But through the game, she realizes that she worries too much about Snow and that he’s capable of protecting himself so she tries to focus on only what she can do atm
I see your point, but I also deeply appreciate this game's resistance to romanticizing a male/female protagonist duo. It would've gotten old and tired if they'd done ANOTHER game where the growing romance was intimately tied up with the rest of the story. From one perspective, it can look like she's uncaring, but also love isn't everything. She's her own person too.
+Oni Black Mage Sorry to hear :( This was really terrific content - I've beaten both FFXIII and FFXIII-2 but years ago now. Never played lightning returns but just got for my PC. Thanks for putting in all this effort!!!! Hope you don't run into any further copyright shenanigans.
I hope you won.. Your previous comment was a year ago, it's stupid why companies would block contents like this. It's free advertisement of beautiful games. Sheesh. These videos made me buy all the games, they should be paying you.
Nope. My first Square Enix Game was kingdom hearts 358/2 days. Then KH BBS, THEEEEN Final Fantasy 13. And let me just say, this is an example of gamers being over-dramatic about not liking a new game because it wasn’t familiar to what they expect from the FRANCHISE. As a stand alone, the games are literally fine for their era. 13-2 really holds up in my opinion over time, but it lacks the immediate icon-ability that makes it easy for people to mindlessly “final fantasy ooh ahh” at.
Ironically, ff 14 is INCREDIBLY difficult to follow if you don’t take in hundreds of hours of dialogue in full… whereas 13 requires like an hour or two of data-logue entries. Which people complained about. Albeit, you have to go out of your way for the full story. I see 13 as a demo, and 13-2 as a more fine tuned demo
I thank you for taking the time to share, I can see why many players complained of the story feeling too convoluted and abstract when time traveling causes great consequences in the 13 universe.
I consider myself reasonably intelligent but this plot is way over my head. That said, it never stopped me throwing about 1000 hours of my life at it over multiple play throughs.
When I played these games I was hella confused since I played more for the game and less for the story, but the more you learn about the story it's actually really cool how much thought they put into it. Still confusing tho
Oni, wanted to say I love this series. You may not get a million views, but, this is great content. Also, wondering if you can answer one question/complaint I have with the FF13 story through 13 and 13-2: How would things have been different if the protagonists did NOTHING? To me, it seems like if the protagonists aren't around in 13, then cocoon falls and Etro's gate is opened, leading to the events of lightning returns, albeit with perhaps, a different savior. If Sarah and Noel fail in their quest to stop Caius, he finds a way to kill the Goddess and chaos is released again. I 'suppose' the difference, at least in the first example, is that humanity gets another 500 years before the end times, but, it just doesn't seem very fulfilling as a game story. However, the bad guys winning in the 2nd episode makes perfect story telling sense...if its a movie. When you've invested 40+ hours or however long you played 13-2, you want to know that your character's efforts mattered in some way.
+Daniel Cappuccio Thanks for watching. Let's see, if the characters did nothing, then, speaking 4th dimensionally, my guess is that Cocoon, with its fal'cie and humans on board would, all die due to Fang/Vanille turning into Ragnarok and ending things. If Etro intervened again, then Fang/Vanille would crystallize again and the Cocoon fal'cie would try something else to kill them. So let's assume their plan eventually works and Cocoon falls and dies. That still leaves the Pulse fal'cie alive, as well as Yuel and Caius who are both immortal, and Etro would still be alive, albeit very sad. Since there was no need to mess with time via Chaos to save the party, the events of FF13-2 would never happen since there is no society of humans to fight for survival, and Caius wouldn't be mad at Yuel dying due to time paradoxes. If anything, Yuel might die even less often with no humans around. Because Caius doesn't try to freeze time, he would continue protecting Yuel and Etro instead. As an aside, Bhunivelze or his creations Lindzei/Pulse may or may not care enough to use the extra Chaos lying around to remake a new human society on a new Earth. The only significant difference is Lightning Returns has the original group saving the original race of humans as Etro intended them, with Chaos inside. Keep in mind the Cocoon fal'cie's plan to end the current race of humans, wasn't necessarily wrong, as peaceful humans in the image of Bhunivelze would be likely be inhabiting Earth instead. Just my 2 cents.
+Oni Black Mage I'll take your pennies and add a few more of my own. It is mentioned in 13 that the cocoon fal'cie were attempting to open "Etro's Gate" and create a calamity great enough to draw the attention of the creator, Bhunivelze. We see in the finale of 13 that Etro's gate was just about to open before the heroes intervened. Cocoon falling would release the chaos if the human souls were still on board. Even if the pulse fal'cie were still alive, they would surely be swept up by the chaos just as it happened at the end of 13-2. This seems to intimate that the chaos could escape Valhalla even without the death of the Goddess if enough souls had to flow into Valhalla. Etro's gate opening in the final cinematic of ff13 may be an incorrect statement, but, I believe I read/saw that somewhere. If it is correct though, the heroes still continue to be 'damned if they do, damned if they don't' through both the first and second game as it relates to the overarching plot. The points about Caius not needing to do anything (because Yuel would be safer in a world not altered by etro's paradox causing ways) doesn't matter as the end times would already be upon humanity. PS. Thank you for responding to a comment on a much older video!
+Daniel Cappuccio FFXIII had them save many of Cocoon for hundreds of years. FFXIII-2 had them save many of Pulse for hundreds of years. FFXIII:LR had them save many for an indeterminate time. Its about Fighting Fate. About humanity having the little bit of 'chaos' that might surpass all other plans of any divine will. If they didn't do anything in FFXIII, other people might have been picked to kill Orphan, everyone in Cocoon dies and there is no Savior because there's no one to save. The world just ends. Either Etro's Gate is 'ripped open' and chaos pours in and God makes a new world, or he goes into the chaos himself and tries to find his mommy, but either way, everyone's dead and they don't come back. There would be no humanity anymore.
Malcolm Swoboda Given the nature of the game world, fighting fate to live another day makes sense to me. I think what might have been lost on me is the span of time that actually occurred in XIII-2. Obviously they tell you the years, but as a player jumping through time, all the events seem to be just days apart. So while the efforts of the players do make a large impact on the people living in the world, it would seem that the PC's themselves are still getting the short end of the stick. But, when you consider the ending of Lightning Returns, with the characters finally coming together and overcoming GOD, yeah...it comes together.
I think it was also mentioned that a large group of people dying at once also releases chaos, so cocoon falling and humans dying would still create a burst of chaos which would be bad you know, if humanity dying out and being replaced wasn't bad enough, who's to say these "peaceful humans" are even really human, part of what makes us human is we are flawed and must overcome our shortcomings.
One thing I never understood is how Caius's heart of chaos = a manifestation of Etro and so killing him throws open the doors of Valhalla in the end. Why couldn't he just stab himself in the heart to reach his goal instead of waiting for someone else to do it? What was the purpose of going to fight Lightning in Valhalla since Etro wasn't physically there
TL;DUnderstand Serah's sister is missing. Serah meets Noel. They do a load of stuff that doesn't actually happen because "the paradox has been resolved". They meet a salty emo Caius man. They kill a salty emo Caius man. S^*t hits the fan because a goddess went heart deep in him. It's basically a bridge between 13 and Lightning Returns, where most of the game takes place in alternate timelines and doesn't even have anything to do with the main story, and doesn't even technically happen. For example, the whole "proto-Fal'cie" thing isn't even real after Serah "shouts" at Hope, because he never builds the AI that builds the Fal'cie in the first place. That's the kind of stuff you can ignore.
+Don'tShootTheMessengerX Yes, the main thing of FFXIII-2 is 'this is how we get from things seeming quite fine, to the world ending anyway'. Though there is still a 'timeline' of hundreds of years in between.
+TheTrophyMunchers haha i am going to do the same thing, final fantasy 13-2 is just unplayable, worst port ever. GTX 970 4GB and FX 8320, Lightning returns is much better + 60 FPS :p
I beat this game yesterday, and that was after putting it on hold for 2 weeks after the first 2 hours of story. Thank you for explaining the narrative. XIII-3 here we go.
@hugo 4363 I can tell you some reasons why ff15 is a lot uglier than you think. It's the most empty final fantasy game. It has boring traveling, reapetitive side quests, no character development, incomplete almost no story at all with horrible narrative and the main story quests are most of them totally silly. It's not broken, it's disgusting. Technically can't get better except if they created 10 more dlcs to fill the gaps and change the story. At least ff13 was decent enough to complete its story and I found it very original and interesting. If you didn't like it it's your problem, but not in a million years ff15 is better than ff13. My favorite is ff9.
Noel Auditore ffxv had so much potential. Square just rushed the game just like how EA, Bethesda, and Activision does it. It was supposed to have a different story (most characters are the same) and a different title (versus 13) which means it was made in the same world as lightning’s. But meh we were given an incomplete game, made without passion.
This is great. I'm finally after getting lightning returns but it's been so long since I've played the first two of the trilogy. So this recap is really useful to me. Thanks.
FF XIII-2 is unnecessarily complex. so confusing. I started watching these recaps as a way to just jump right into Lightning returns, but while the recaps were great -- the story is so confusing I think i'll just play something else. Thanks for the summary. This half an hour saved me hours of agonizing game play.
yknow as much as people say this is convoluted and confusing, this game is literally my favorite final fantasy for its amazing characters, gorgeous music, really painful story especially on yeul, caius, and noel, and the really improved battle system. i had no problem understanding the story, its just a lot to remember but i just hope they actually explained clearly how exactly time travel works with this www-
The ending to this game upset me so much. Not because I had to wait for a conclusion, but for the fact that an already unnecessarily embellished story and universe is constantly being added onto. "Aw, happy ending for FFXIII!" "FFXIII-2: Not really, the ending was a paradox! Here's time travel!" Seriously, what is SqEnix's obsession with Time Travel?
Arigato. For reasons I sadly got interrupted in my 26h playthrough and didn't felt like re-playing all of it again. Thanks to your video I'm still able to somewhat "finish" the game, so I can move on to Lightning returns. Great Work on the Vid. Keep it up :)
This actually has me wondering about Final Fantasy XIII. See, I don't believe the War of Transgression really happened. I believe it is a fiction created by Barthandelus to keep the humans from venturing outside Cocoon. Unless I forgot something in the plot or datalogs (i need to play this over again), but I think it went down that way because Barthandelus wanted to end everything. He used Etro to make humans on Cocoon so he could kill everyone and get Bhunivelze's attention. That way, Bhunivelze would end all creation and start over, or something like that...
my favorite exchange: Serah: "Lightning, tell me, after all of this, after we do everything, will we finally get to be together again?" Lightning: "One thing at a time, Serah."
Thank you for the clear, concise rundown. I couldn't bring myself to finish the game (it's such a mess), but I want to give XIII-3 a chance, too... so... you filled that gap in lore. ...what a mess of a story...
The "good ending with Hope and Snow" is still less confusing than the canon one 😂 I gave a chance to this game, but like in XIII the good ideas doesn't save it in my point of view, too much artificially complex things in the story
I have to admit that this could have been a great plot for a final fantasy game, time travel and a more serious tone for the plot...but...the fact that they tried to glue it together to 13 kinda ruins it for me u.u. Don't get me wrong, it's entertaining but it almost seem like they made the story as they moved on only to tie the three games together. 13 was by itself complicated enough to add this whole time travel thing and paradoxes...in a new game perhaps they could have wrote a better plot but here it's a pain to understand it all completly...I just hope that Square Enix can come up with a final fantasy to redeem the franchise like 7 did at it's time u.u...and one that might actually let us play our rpg like an rpg where we take the calls and it's not automatic -.-
+NekoSoren I understood the story perfectly the first time I played the game. I actually think it was so simple that it was way OVER-explained, lol. If you have questions then I'll gladly answer because I feel like more people would enjoy it as much as I do if they could understand the story. :)
David Kennedy I rank FF 13-2 5th in terms of story and 3rd in terms of gameplay. I rank 13-3: Lightning returns last in terms of story but the gameplay and sidequests are FUCKING AWESOME (P.S. The sidequests have awesome stories and I loved them all. The main story sucks ass.)
Now, joke aside, I actually kind of liked the battle system this time around owo, and the banter between Lightning and everyone XD and it was nice to see her being nice to Snow xD
Since in 2006 got canceled Versus XIII and Agito XIII in Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy XIII changed into Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy also changed into XV for PS4, XBOX 1 follow by Type-0 HD same PS4 and XBOX 1 in Japanese Release 2011 PSP only
And the Samurai Jack, Doc Brown and the Time Squad form Captain Planet and kill the jaberwocky and save Narnia just in time in Final Clusterfuck 2: Electric Boogaloo
Ginataang Manok Recipe Ingredients: 500 gms chicken, cut into serving pieces 4 cloves garlic, crushed 1 onion, sliced 1 thumb size ginger, sliced 2 cups kalabasa or squash, sliced 8 pcs stringbeans, cut into 1 inch length 2 cups coconut milk 1/2 cup water 2 tsp cooking oil fish sauce salt and pepper Cooking Procedures: 1. In a pot, heat oil and saute garlic, onion and ginger. 2. Add the chicken pieces and fish sauce. Cook until lightly browned. 3. Add water and coconut milk and bring to a boil. 4. Put the kalabasa and cook until slightly tender then add the sitaw. 5. Season with salt and pepper.
Introduction of FF4, in terms of FF13 You, play as a F'lien called Cecil in the military wing of G'lil called M'lili, along with your childhood best friend trained in the art of Blolfie in another military wing of G'lil called Monfewi. One day the Fu'roef of G'lil summon you and your childhood friend to the journey to a town, in which a magic art called Mfeiw is practiced by a group of people called Lofiwefe...
I wish this, FF1, 2 and 3 recapitations had english subtitles as well ;( My first language isn't english, so it's very hard getting what Oni says at some points. Since FFXIII-2 have a very confusing plot, I can understand little to nothing. :(((
Ive gotta rewrite this story so that it: A: IT MAKES SENCE... B: Has more of a connection to the first game... C: To pretend the "if you change the future, you change the past" phrase doesnt exist...
after watching this its clear why Final Fantasy XV has greatly stepped back from the Fabula Nova Crystallis. Thank God for the Tales of Franchise and Persona to get my JRPG fix. FFXV off the top looks way more fun. Hell back in the day I was more interested in Versus 13 over 13 itself I know sales arent the only way to judge a game but damn look at the drop off form FFXIII (7.5 million sales) to XIII-2 (3.5 million sales) to Lightning Returns(1 million sales) from the latest info i could find.
Matthew Etter i ran back the numbers FF13-2 retention rate was more like 47-49%. Then from 13-2 to Lightning returns 29-30% So for that series it dropped 85% sales. FFX to X2 was more 53- 54% drop. Sequels sales drops happens. Yes. But my point there was alot of vocal disappointment in the series and the Square didnt listen they tried to patch work 13-2 and. In all honesty all 13 trilogy games could have been just one game if they cut out all the BS. Persona 5 looks good but dont think it will out sale XV. But it will likely be a more polished game.
I think smaller companies do better overall. they are way more focused. Passion projects. When alot of companies get big they lose their drive, their ethos. but FFX was last good one in my opinion. Havent played FFXv yet ill wait till they do a GOTY Edition Im a big Persona fan since maybe 5 years ago. I knew of the series just finally got into it.
I have two questions: 1. caius needed to drop cacoon to open a big portal to valhalla so that the chaos could be unleashed into the world, but hope and the others stopped cacoon from falling or rather saved everyone on cacoon from dying , but then why did the chaos unleash anyway ??? doesn't that mean no portal would've opened? hence chaos could've come out???? 2. why did lightning freeze herself?? how does that help in anyway??? PS, I'm about to play the 3rd one, thought i needed a refresh, must the the 50th time I watch a ffxii2 recap but still have a hard time remembering the story ...
+carolthorn 1: When Noel was "forced" to kill Caius, he also killed the goddess Etro (she gave her heart to Caius so he could be Yeul's immortal guardian). She controlled the chaos in Valhalla and with her dead, it just exploded into their world. 2: Lightning froze herself to keep the memory of her sister alive after she died.
Really good explanation. Again if anything the explanation is a little fast but that might be because it is a confusing story, and I ave already played the game haha. Again super job!
Every villain is every FF series must destroy the world because they believe they can save the world from itself. Except Kefka, he's simply crazy and just want to see the world burn.
Skyler B I've played it from start to finish 3 times and I've completed it 100% once, along with DLC and everything. It's just such a great game, I love it. It reminds me so much of FF 6 and 7 (My two favorites so FF 13-2 is also one of my favorites now.) :P
Skyler B Cool! I hope you enjoy it a lot. Oh, and if you ever tame a green chocobo, KEEP IT! It's the best healer in the game. ;) If you ever get it, ask me for infusion tips and I'll help you make it resistant to all elements and give it better stats. ;)
Nitram Zimaohk Sema Actually, they don't explain this in the game. Or in that other game either. I think in FFXIII-2 Fragments After, which is a 242 page book, that tells us that a Cactuar branded him a l'Cie. I don't get why the developers didn't put that. They could have easily placed that info into the game.
King Scheiber They just say it was to have powers in order to help Serah find Lightning I think, but they never mention who transformed him or what his mission is in the game. Also, I didnt know about that book :O I only read the episode 0
So why did he not just stab himself? That would amounted to same events going down in the end he pulled the blade on himself any way so it cant be that he was bound from it like Barthandelus was bound from destroying cocoon directly...hmmm
It's flimsy, but as they said, the Guardians have an inheritance system in which they can only pass on their power and immortality to the next Guardian that kills them. He was basically pushing for Noel to get stronger to slay him, while sabotaging Etro in the meanwhile. Though, as we find in Lightning Returns, that plan backfired.
Good point I love the story but it turned out to be too complicated in the end I wish they had found a way to make the story better starting at the end of the first one.
+Lesley Nealy He technically can't kill himself at all since he has Etro's heart. Only another guardian can kill him but since Etro fucked up, killing Caius kills her too. Etro is an idiot.
My head hurts. The story is so...convoluted. Couldn't they just have addressed the War of Transgression? I think that would have been quite more interesting than this "If you change the future, you change the past" bullshit
The original XIII's plot was fairly straight forward and had characters you cared about and ended well; then you're thrown into this chaotic convoluted nonsense + DLC. Why Square, why.
The first game had such a simple story and then they decided to make it all convoluted and confusing in the second one. Then the third one kinda fixed everything but at least gave us a happy ending
Jesus... is that what they want to do with the Final Fantasy 7 Remake sequels? I am horrified by how many similarities there are between this and the FF7 Remake. So convoluted and nonsensical. Plus, they're being directed by the mind behind the guy who made the Kingdom Hearts story. What a colossally volatile mixture.
this was actually a good game with only one thing bothering me, the Pokemon approach to your 3rd party member. Yes it gave you a lot of choices, but you inevitably had to find a good one, FARM IT, and then level it. Wash, Rinse, Repeat. got annoying quick
I don't understand why people can't grasp this game's story. I mean, this is LITERARY the most straightforward and overexplained story in the series and I personally love it and think it's one of the best. I mean, I bet I can write down the main pillar of the story in a single comment. Etro saved the l'cie of their curse>Gates of chaos break>the possible futures expand and multiply almost beyond repair>the Yuels start dying on their 15th birthdays as a result>Caius, the owner of Etro's heart and the undying guardian of Yuel is too attached to her to let her torment go on indefinitely>He can only die if another guardian kills him and since Etro gave him her heart, she will die too>Noel refuses to kill his mentor>Caius uses the chaos to assault Valhala and kill the goddess himself since the power of her heart doesn't allow him to stab himself and die (he will just be ressurected instead. It has to be another guardian)>Etro imbues Lightning with powers to defend her>Lightning knows the battle loops eternally but she can lose so she asks Serah for help by sending Noel to her>Serah and Noel start solving paradoxes to fix the timeline but end up getting Yuel killed in the process every time>Caius senses that and can't allow it so he communicates with his past selves through the chaos in order to stop Serah and Noel>Serah and Noel eventually battle Caius in Valhalla and Caius forces Noel to murder him>Noel kills the godess and the unseen chaos consumes the world>Serah had also been blessed by Etro's sight like Yuel so she's the last seeress to die by time changing>Lightning learns that Serah died so she crystalizes herself in order to wake up at the right time to fight the chaos and the creator of all things, Bhunivelze>Caius achieves his goal and FUCKING WINS but his plans backfires ENTIRELY in 13-3 There. Was this plot seriously so hard to get people? -_-
JPH It is easier than FF 7's plot, yes. And that's because the actual, real plot for FF 7 wasn't released outside of Japan until the Steam remake. All that bullshit about "Sephiroth clones" never happened. Hopefully the remake will also show us the actual story instead of being fucked up like the original port. The real plot to FF 7 is very complex and rich. It is also easier than FF 10's plot, yes. FF 10 starts out simple but then it gets completely convoluted with the Fayth and their memories, the differences between the various unsent, etc. By the end you're left wondering things like why Seymour would gradually turn into a monster instead of right away and yet still retain his memories and why Auron did not, how the Fayth operate and what their motives are and various other things that were poorly (or never) explained. FF 9's story is probably equally simple. Not more, not less. It didn't have any confusing or unexplained parts as far as I recall. Maybe it had plotholes but I could care less, the overarching narrative made sense.
♞ Go Fuck Yourself ♞ I feel once you go into the time travel plot, you already fucked up because every time travel plot has plotholes and overlooked stuff and why didn't they do this it would have been easier and such. Never was a fan to time travel because it is NEVER stable. Always unexplained stuff.
JPH That's highly debatable. Chrono Trigger is one of the games which I consider amazing and the plot in that wasn't confusing. FF 13-2 didn't have any plotholes either as far as I'm aware of.
A few questions -It was mentioned that Etro had already intervened before Cocoon fell, why paradox effect kicked in now? -It was certainly shown that Caius killed himself, or Noel barely holding the handle of the sword counts as him killing Caius? -Why Serah became seeress?
This story is ridiculous, and that is saying a lot when it comes to Final Fantasy. I love watching your videos, especially the FF13 ones since I do not have to play them now XD.
+aranciaaurora The deal with Etro is that she's the most 'human' goddess, and this may have to do with her being unintentionally modeled after the top creator goddess. She's the flawed but caring one. Her whole story is of intervening for humanity or specific humans' sakes and yet complicating things even more. But then she finally dies (or whatever) and Lightning carries on her better intentions. It is of Etro herself that humanity was created, and through Etro's power and actions that humanity's souls could continue to exist after death (but in new birthed bodies). Where Pulse would challenge and house man and Lindzei would manipulate and form man, Etro birthed and cared for man, even while often being the god of their deaths. Even in the larger scale of her interventions bringing on the 'end of the world', this of course did also lead on the chain of events of Lightning doing her own stuff, but partially in the name of being the champion of Etro.
+Malcolm Swoboda Honestly. I use to hate the Mythology of the game, till I found a detailed video that explained the myth without cutting corners. I just hate how sloppy SE got with their Storytelling and decided to give us this Mythology in bits and pieces. It did Not even Help that Etro was intorduced in FF13-2, and honestly....they should've ended the Game There!.
This game just goes too far imo. XIII has a chronic problem with not explaining itself well enough, but the game itself is fantastic anyway, and putting together the pieces of the lore isn't too difficult. I mean apart from the fact that they're like 'we're gonna save cocoon!' And then they make such a fuss about not killing Orphan just to do it anyway. This game though? I don't get it. Why is Caius trying to stop the timeline from being realtered? Because Yuel. And I get that being immortal, seeing her die so many times must be awful, but you'd let the world become entropy, and the timeline fully collapse just so Yuel doesn't suffer?! What the actual-
I don't know what kind of drugs they were taking when they wrote the story for this game, but holy shit. Hard to believe we went from the good old days of Final Fantasy to... this.
Most people enjoyed this over the original FFXIII, but the asinine time travel plot completely pulled me out of it. Checking this out as I still haven't played Lightning Returns and would do whatever I can to not play this game again, but what a train wreck of a story. I honestly enjoyed the original FFXIII story, it may have had some stretches of imagination and a lot of proper nouns, but it had wonderful character development that really carried some of the weaker plot points. Also, there were some fascinating themes on destiny, fate, contractual obligations (in a more extreme sense), sustainability, independence, and determination.
fail #1 not having 3 characters in party fail #2 not having snow, hope, sazh or any of them as a 3rd member fail #3 the extremely out of place attempt at copying chrono trigger with time travel, except doing it all wrong fail #4 Making the game based on using a moogle to find invisible fragments fail #5 making a game that had potential so atrocious fail #6 making it so god damn hard to find where to go even with a guide because the story makes no sense if you do even one thing wrong fail #7 its not ff7,8,9 or 10
*"Somehow, for some reason, suddenly, inexplicably"* are the right words.
The music in this game took my heart
As usual,time travel is a hell of a drug.
Yeah, it's like heroin for bad writers.
Joshua Richardson yup check out the new ff7r with sephi time travelling
I’m listening to the first minute, time travel, my brain immediately turns off. Glad I didn’t play this one
@@julioromero238 Ok lol
What always bothered me about this game was how quick and easy Sarah just writes off and forgets snow, who was her fiancee and did everything to save her in the first place. Even when she dies, no snow mentioned. So much for love lol
??? She talk about snow countless of time at the beginning what do you mean ? And then during her adventure would you always talk about you fiancé? It will be a bit weirn ain'it
@@khiem8488 yeah I agree. If anything she NEVER stops talking about him. But through the game, she realizes that she worries too much about Snow and that he’s capable of protecting himself so she tries to focus on only what she can do atm
I see your point, but I also deeply appreciate this game's resistance to romanticizing a male/female protagonist duo. It would've gotten old and tired if they'd done ANOTHER game where the growing romance was intimately tied up with the rest of the story. From one perspective, it can look like she's uncaring, but also love isn't everything. She's her own person too.
FF XIII: I have the most complicated and plot hole-ridden story in the entire Final Fantasy series!
FF XIII-2: hold my beer
You mean: hold my beer in multiple different timelines
This video has been Copyright Claimed by Square-Enix AGAIN, even though I won a previous claim that it IS Fair Use. #WTFU (where's the fair use?)
+Oni Black Mage
Sorry to hear :( This was really terrific content - I've beaten both FFXIII and FFXIII-2 but years ago now. Never played lightning returns but just got for my PC. Thanks for putting in all this effort!!!! Hope you don't run into any further copyright shenanigans.
Honestly this is the first time I ever heard Square C.claimed someone. They were always pretty chill about it.
Oni Black Mage Fuckin' Nazis.
I know this is old, but maybe it's because of the background music? Do they ever give you a reason as to why it's claimed?
I hope you won.. Your previous comment was a year ago, it's stupid why companies would block contents like this. It's free advertisement of beautiful games. Sheesh. These videos made me buy all the games, they should be paying you.
"This sequel features heavy time travelling"
LEAVE WHILST YOU STILL CAN
No
No human could possibly hope to understand this storyline.
I agree
Nope.
My first Square Enix Game was kingdom hearts 358/2 days. Then KH BBS, THEEEEN Final Fantasy 13.
And let me just say, this is an example of gamers being over-dramatic about not liking a new game because it wasn’t familiar to what they expect from the FRANCHISE.
As a stand alone, the games are literally fine for their era. 13-2 really holds up in my opinion over time, but it lacks the immediate icon-ability that makes it easy for people to mindlessly “final fantasy ooh ahh” at.
Ironically, ff 14 is INCREDIBLY difficult to follow if you don’t take in hundreds of hours of dialogue in full… whereas 13 requires like an hour or two of data-logue entries. Which people complained about. Albeit, you have to go out of your way for the full story.
I see 13 as a demo, and 13-2 as a more fine tuned demo
Bro I was confused in pt one
@@sketchtheparadigmyork1217😂wrong loser
I thank you for taking the time to share, I can see why many players complained of the story feeling too convoluted and abstract when time traveling causes great consequences in the 13 universe.
Yeul = Kenny
you bastard
I consider myself reasonably intelligent but this plot is way over my head. That said, it never stopped me throwing about 1000 hours of my life at it over multiple play throughs.
And people say Kingdom Hearts is confusing. This is out of whack! (good game though)
When I played these games I was hella confused since I played more for the game and less for the story, but the more you learn about the story it's actually really cool how much thought they put into it. Still confusing tho
I honestly had no trouble understanding the story of FFXIII... but this.... *this* , good God...
My mind throughout this story and recap:
"???"
Oni, wanted to say I love this series. You may not get a million views, but, this is great content. Also, wondering if you can answer one question/complaint I have with the FF13 story through 13 and 13-2: How would things have been different if the protagonists did NOTHING?
To me, it seems like if the protagonists aren't around in 13, then cocoon falls and Etro's gate is opened, leading to the events of lightning returns, albeit with perhaps, a different savior. If Sarah and Noel fail in their quest to stop Caius, he finds a way to kill the Goddess and chaos is released again.
I 'suppose' the difference, at least in the first example, is that humanity gets another 500 years before the end times, but, it just doesn't seem very fulfilling as a game story. However, the bad guys winning in the 2nd episode makes perfect story telling sense...if its a movie. When you've invested 40+ hours or however long you played 13-2, you want to know that your character's efforts mattered in some way.
+Daniel Cappuccio Thanks for watching. Let's see, if the characters did nothing, then, speaking 4th dimensionally, my guess is that Cocoon, with its fal'cie and humans on board would, all die due to Fang/Vanille turning into Ragnarok and ending things. If Etro intervened again, then Fang/Vanille would crystallize again and the Cocoon fal'cie would try something else to kill them. So let's assume their plan eventually works and Cocoon falls and dies.
That still leaves the Pulse fal'cie alive, as well as Yuel and Caius who are both immortal, and Etro would still be alive, albeit very sad. Since there was no need to mess with time via Chaos to save the party, the events of FF13-2 would never happen since there is no society of humans to fight for survival, and Caius wouldn't be mad at Yuel dying due to time paradoxes. If anything, Yuel might die even less often with no humans around. Because Caius doesn't try to freeze time, he would continue protecting Yuel and Etro instead. As an aside, Bhunivelze or his creations Lindzei/Pulse may or may not care enough to use the extra Chaos lying around to remake a new human society on a new Earth.
The only significant difference is Lightning Returns has the original group saving the original race of humans as Etro intended them, with Chaos inside. Keep in mind the Cocoon fal'cie's plan to end the current race of humans, wasn't necessarily wrong, as peaceful humans in the image of Bhunivelze would be likely be inhabiting Earth instead.
Just my 2 cents.
+Oni Black Mage I'll take your pennies and add a few more of my own. It is mentioned in 13 that the cocoon fal'cie were attempting to open "Etro's Gate" and create a calamity great enough to draw the attention of the creator, Bhunivelze. We see in the finale of 13 that Etro's gate was just about to open before the heroes intervened. Cocoon falling would release the chaos if the human souls were still on board. Even if the pulse fal'cie were still alive, they would surely be swept up by the chaos just as it happened at the end of 13-2. This seems to intimate that the chaos could escape Valhalla even without the death of the Goddess if enough souls had to flow into Valhalla.
Etro's gate opening in the final cinematic of ff13 may be an incorrect statement, but, I believe I read/saw that somewhere. If it is correct though, the heroes still continue to be 'damned if they do, damned if they don't' through both the first and second game as it relates to the overarching plot.
The points about Caius not needing to do anything (because Yuel would be safer in a world not altered by etro's paradox causing ways) doesn't matter as the end times would already be upon humanity.
PS. Thank you for responding to a comment on a much older video!
+Daniel Cappuccio FFXIII had them save many of Cocoon for hundreds of years. FFXIII-2 had them save many of Pulse for hundreds of years. FFXIII:LR had them save many for an indeterminate time. Its about Fighting Fate. About humanity having the little bit of 'chaos' that might surpass all other plans of any divine will. If they didn't do anything in FFXIII, other people might have been picked to kill Orphan, everyone in Cocoon dies and there is no Savior because there's no one to save. The world just ends. Either Etro's Gate is 'ripped open' and chaos pours in and God makes a new world, or he goes into the chaos himself and tries to find his mommy, but either way, everyone's dead and they don't come back. There would be no humanity anymore.
Malcolm Swoboda Given the nature of the game world, fighting fate to live another day makes sense to me. I think what might have been lost on me is the span of time that actually occurred in XIII-2. Obviously they tell you the years, but as a player jumping through time, all the events seem to be just days apart. So while the efforts of the players do make a large impact on the people living in the world, it would seem that the PC's themselves are still getting the short end of the stick.
But, when you consider the ending of Lightning Returns, with the characters finally coming together and overcoming GOD, yeah...it comes together.
I think it was also mentioned that a large group of people dying at once also releases chaos, so cocoon falling and humans dying would still create a burst of chaos which would be bad you know, if humanity dying out and being replaced wasn't bad enough, who's to say these "peaceful humans" are even really human, part of what makes us human is we are flawed and must overcome our shortcomings.
For me is still unclear why they would build a second cocoon...
Because pulse was not safe to stay on as in noels future
My brain hurts. But I am interested.
One thing I never understood is how Caius's heart of chaos = a manifestation of Etro and so killing him throws open the doors of Valhalla in the end. Why couldn't he just stab himself in the heart to reach his goal instead of waiting for someone else to do it? What was the purpose of going to fight Lightning in Valhalla since Etro wasn't physically there
TL;DUnderstand
Serah's sister is missing. Serah meets Noel. They do a load of stuff that doesn't actually happen because "the paradox has been resolved". They meet a salty emo Caius man. They kill a salty emo Caius man. S^*t hits the fan because a goddess went heart deep in him.
It's basically a bridge between 13 and Lightning Returns, where most of the game takes place in alternate timelines and doesn't even have anything to do with the main story, and doesn't even technically happen. For example, the whole "proto-Fal'cie" thing isn't even real after Serah "shouts" at Hope, because he never builds the AI that builds the Fal'cie in the first place. That's the kind of stuff you can ignore.
+Don'tShootTheMessengerX Yes, the main thing of FFXIII-2 is 'this is how we get from things seeming quite fine, to the world ending anyway'. Though there is still a 'timeline' of hundreds of years in between.
Great Recap man, playing Lighting Returns and this was needed ha :)
+TheTrophyMunchers haha i am going to do the same thing, final fantasy 13-2 is just unplayable, worst port ever. GTX 970 4GB and FX 8320, Lightning returns is much better + 60 FPS :p
Kenadit Shegow glorious 60 fps, it is much better port :)
Every year I still think ill go back and 100% this one. The music is the best part. Love the 13 games but damn this one.
The more times I watch this video, the better I understand it lol
OMG this videos are awesome! Please do Lighting Returns! Please!
I beat this game yesterday, and that was after putting it on hold for 2 weeks after the first 2 hours of story. Thank you for explaining the narrative. XIII-3 here we go.
This game story is way too complicated and convuluted for its own good. FFVIII was never this complicated
well FFVIII ends with Ultimecia giving her Power to Edea who even agrees to wield her Power, making every Playthrough of FFVIII canon, basicly^^
@Quinton Rogers No it wasn't. ff15 is trash
@hugo 4363 I can tell you some reasons why ff15 is a lot uglier than you think. It's the most empty final fantasy game. It has boring traveling, reapetitive side quests, no character development, incomplete almost no story at all with horrible narrative and the main story quests are most of them totally silly. It's not broken, it's disgusting. Technically can't get better except if they created 10 more dlcs to fill the gaps and change the story. At least ff13 was decent enough to complete its story and I found it very original and interesting. If you didn't like it it's your problem, but not in a million years ff15 is better than ff13. My favorite is ff9.
I shall end this debate once and for all: deleting it from history.
Noel Auditore ffxv had so much potential. Square just rushed the game just like how EA, Bethesda, and Activision does it. It was supposed to have a different story (most characters are the same) and a different title (versus 13) which means it was made in the same world as lightning’s. But meh we were given an incomplete game, made without passion.
This is great. I'm finally after getting lightning returns but it's been so long since I've played the first two of the trilogy. So this recap is really useful to me. Thanks.
FF XIII-2 is unnecessarily complex. so confusing. I started watching these recaps as a way to just jump right into Lightning returns, but while the recaps were great -- the story is so confusing I think i'll just play something else. Thanks for the summary. This half an hour saved me hours of agonizing game play.
None of that made sense.
yknow as much as people say this is convoluted and confusing, this game is literally my favorite final fantasy for its amazing characters, gorgeous music, really painful story especially on yeul, caius, and noel, and the really improved battle system. i had no problem understanding the story, its just a lot to remember but i just hope they actually explained clearly how exactly time travel works with this www-
I was so happy that I understood FF13, this second part is so hard to follow!!
16:08 what happened then with the Elisa's suspicious glance? It didn't lead to some sort of conclusion
3 seconds later he explains there's a boobytrap made by her that they get caught on
I love that the BC / AD abbreviation for XIII’s timeline is AF lol.
Lots of good work on this one, too. Thank you for your continued efforts.
lol you thought FF13 had a convoluted and confusing story?
FF13-2: Hold my time gate open. I'm about to unleash everything.
The ending to this game upset me so much. Not because I had to wait for a conclusion, but for the fact that an already unnecessarily embellished story and universe is constantly being added onto.
"Aw, happy ending for FFXIII!"
"FFXIII-2: Not really, the ending was a paradox! Here's time travel!"
Seriously, what is SqEnix's obsession with Time Travel?
I played this game for at least 15 hours and had no fucking idea what was going on at all
Arigato. For reasons I sadly got interrupted in my 26h playthrough and didn't felt like re-playing all of it again.
Thanks to your video I'm still able to somewhat "finish" the game, so I can move on to Lightning returns.
Great Work on the Vid. Keep it up :)
lmao
What's funny bout that?
This game is a solid proof that Squarenix have no idea what a time paradox is nor how it works.
I feel like if I watch this video, like 3 more times, then maybe I can start making sense of this trilogy.
Why not talked about the DLC expansion on Lightning's part? Explained a little bit more from what I remembered playing the game like years ago
Your video makes this game seem way more interesting than it was.
This actually has me wondering about Final Fantasy XIII. See, I don't believe the War of Transgression really happened. I believe it is a fiction created by Barthandelus to keep the humans from venturing outside Cocoon. Unless I forgot something in the plot or datalogs (i need to play this over again), but I think it went down that way because Barthandelus wanted to end everything. He used Etro to make humans on Cocoon so he could kill everyone and get Bhunivelze's attention. That way, Bhunivelze would end all creation and start over, or something like that...
my favorite exchange:
Serah: "Lightning, tell me, after all of this, after we do everything, will we finally get to be together again?"
Lightning: "One thing at a time, Serah."
Thank you for the clear, concise rundown. I couldn't bring myself to finish the game (it's such a mess), but I want to give XIII-3 a chance, too... so... you filled that gap in lore.
...what a mess of a story...
It's a shame too, because the game play and mechanics with taming monsters and whatnot is actually pretty good imo.
The "good ending with Hope and Snow" is still less confusing than the canon one 😂
I gave a chance to this game, but like in XIII the good ideas doesn't save it in my point of view, too much artificially complex things in the story
I have to admit that this could have been a great plot for a final fantasy game, time travel and a more serious tone for the plot...but...the fact that they tried to glue it together to 13 kinda ruins it for me u.u. Don't get me wrong, it's entertaining but it almost seem like they made the story as they moved on only to tie the three games together. 13 was by itself complicated enough to add this whole time travel thing and paradoxes...in a new game perhaps they could have wrote a better plot but here it's a pain to understand it all completly...I just hope that Square Enix can come up with a final fantasy to redeem the franchise like 7 did at it's time u.u...and one that might actually let us play our rpg like an rpg where we take the calls and it's not automatic -.-
+NekoSoren I understood the story perfectly the first time I played the game. I actually think it was so simple that it was way OVER-explained, lol.
If you have questions then I'll gladly answer because I feel like more people would enjoy it as much as I do if they could understand the story. :)
David Kennedy I rank FF 13-2 5th in terms of story and 3rd in terms of gameplay.
I rank 13-3: Lightning returns last in terms of story but the gameplay and sidequests are FUCKING AWESOME (P.S. The sidequests have awesome stories and I loved them all. The main story sucks ass.)
Not to count having to force Lightning to say "Meow Meow Choco Chow"...with Hope there to listen and maybe record it? XD
NekoSoren I actually liked that xD
Now, joke aside, I actually kind of liked the battle system this time around owo, and the banter between Lightning and everyone XD and it was nice to see her being nice to Snow xD
Ur very helpful dude. We need people like you
Man.. I love your videos that recap the plot of the FF games! Keep it up :3
Since in 2006 got canceled Versus XIII and Agito XIII in Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy XIII changed into Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy also changed into XV for PS4, XBOX 1 follow by Type-0 HD same PS4 and XBOX 1 in Japanese Release 2011 PSP only
even with a step by step explanation im still confused lol
And the Samurai Jack, Doc Brown and the Time Squad form Captain Planet and kill the jaberwocky and save Narnia just in time in Final Clusterfuck 2: Electric Boogaloo
Ginataang Manok Recipe
Ingredients:
500 gms chicken, cut into serving pieces
4 cloves garlic, crushed
1 onion, sliced
1 thumb size ginger, sliced
2 cups kalabasa or squash, sliced
8 pcs stringbeans, cut into 1 inch length
2 cups coconut milk
1/2 cup water
2 tsp cooking oil
fish sauce
salt and pepper
Cooking Procedures:
1. In a pot, heat oil and saute garlic, onion and ginger.
2. Add the chicken pieces and fish sauce. Cook until lightly browned.
3. Add water and coconut milk and bring to a boil.
4. Put the kalabasa and cook until slightly tender then add the sitaw.
5. Season with salt and pepper.
This game feels so much like bad fanfiction
Introduction of FF4, in terms of FF13
You, play as a F'lien called Cecil in the military wing of G'lil called M'lili, along with your childhood best friend trained in the art of Blolfie in another military wing of G'lil called Monfewi. One day the Fu'roef of G'lil summon you and your childhood friend to the journey to a town, in which a magic art called Mfeiw is practiced by a group of people called Lofiwefe...
I wish this, FF1, 2 and 3 recapitations had english subtitles as well ;( My first language isn't english, so it's very hard getting what Oni says at some points. Since FFXIII-2 have a very confusing plot, I can understand little to nothing. :(((
Ive gotta rewrite this story so that it:
A: IT MAKES SENCE...
B: Has more of a connection to the first game...
C: To pretend the "if you change the future, you change the past" phrase doesnt exist...
I urge you to try. I do think if properly managed, this story could become great while also not being this complicated. I’ll help you if you want.
after watching this its clear why Final Fantasy XV has greatly stepped back from the Fabula Nova Crystallis. Thank God for the Tales of Franchise and Persona to get my JRPG fix. FFXV off the top looks way more fun. Hell back in the day I was more interested in Versus 13 over 13 itself
I know sales arent the only way to judge a game but damn look at the drop off form FFXIII (7.5 million sales) to XIII-2 (3.5 million sales) to Lightning Returns(1 million sales) from the latest info i could find.
Matthew Etter i ran back the numbers FF13-2 retention rate was more like 47-49%. Then from 13-2 to Lightning returns 29-30%
So for that series it dropped 85% sales.
FFX to X2 was more 53- 54% drop.
Sequels sales drops happens. Yes. But my point there was alot of vocal disappointment in the series and the Square didnt listen they tried to patch work 13-2 and. In all honesty all 13 trilogy games could have been just one game if they cut out all the BS.
Persona 5 looks good but dont think it will out sale XV. But it will likely be a more polished game.
I think smaller companies do better overall. they are way more focused. Passion projects. When alot of companies get big they lose their drive, their ethos. but FFX was last good one in my opinion. Havent played FFXv yet ill wait till they do a GOTY Edition
Im a big Persona fan since maybe 5 years ago. I knew of the series just finally got into it.
I have two questions:
1. caius needed to drop cacoon to open a big portal to valhalla so that the chaos could be unleashed into the world, but hope and the others stopped cacoon from falling or rather saved everyone on cacoon from dying , but then why did the chaos unleash anyway ??? doesn't that mean no portal would've opened? hence chaos could've come out????
2. why did lightning freeze herself?? how does that help in anyway???
PS, I'm about to play the 3rd one, thought i needed a refresh, must the the 50th time I watch a ffxii2 recap but still have a hard time remembering the story ...
+carolthorn
1: When Noel was "forced" to kill Caius, he also killed the goddess Etro (she gave her heart to Caius so he could be Yeul's immortal guardian). She controlled the chaos in Valhalla and with her dead, it just exploded into their world.
2: Lightning froze herself to keep the memory of her sister alive after she died.
Really good explanation. Again if anything the explanation is a little fast but that might be because it is a confusing story, and I ave already played the game haha. Again super job!
Every villain is every FF series must destroy the world because they believe they can save the world from itself. Except Kefka, he's simply crazy and just want to see the world burn.
The story of the 13 trilogy is all over the place
playing through the game now =D im loving it! game mechanics is there and its fun!
+Skyler B (TheBakedGamer) It's an awesome game. :D
༼ つ◕ω◕ ༽つ Wise Sage Doge it is haha xD I was playing a bit yesterday :D
Skyler B I've played it from start to finish 3 times and I've completed it 100% once, along with DLC and everything.
It's just such a great game, I love it. It reminds me so much of FF 6 and 7 (My two favorites so FF 13-2 is also one of my favorites now.) :P
༼ つ◕ω◕ ༽つ Wise Sage Doge wow haha that's an a complishment! Awesome! I need to step up my game then haha. I think I'm halfway maybe I'm. On chapter 4
Skyler B Cool! I hope you enjoy it a lot. Oh, and if you ever tame a green chocobo, KEEP IT! It's the best healer in the game. ;)
If you ever get it, ask me for infusion tips and I'll help you make it resistant to all elements and give it better stats. ;)
They never explained why Snow has the Lu'Cie's brand, did they?
No, they don't. Just like the rest of the trilogy, they don't even explain anything.
King Scheiber I think they explain it in Lightning Returns but I dont remember xD
Nitram Zimaohk Sema Actually, they don't explain this in the game. Or in that other game either. I think in FFXIII-2 Fragments After, which is a 242 page book, that tells us that a Cactuar branded him a l'Cie. I don't get why the developers didn't put that. They could have easily placed that info into the game.
King Scheiber They just say it was to have powers in order to help Serah find Lightning I think, but they never mention who transformed him or what his mission is in the game. Also, I didnt know about that book :O I only read the episode 0
King Scheiber They said he must've found a Fal'cie after he wound up in a paradox and became branded again.
So why did he not just stab himself? That would amounted to same events going down in the end he pulled the blade on himself any way so it cant be that he was bound from it like Barthandelus was bound from destroying cocoon directly...hmmm
It's flimsy, but as they said, the Guardians have an inheritance system in which they can only pass on their power and immortality to the next Guardian that kills them. He was basically pushing for Noel to get stronger to slay him, while sabotaging Etro in the meanwhile. Though, as we find in Lightning Returns, that plan backfired.
Good point I love the story but it turned out to be too complicated in the end I wish they had found a way to make the story better starting at the end of the first one.
+Lesley Nealy He technically can't kill himself at all since he has Etro's heart. Only another guardian can kill him but since Etro fucked up, killing Caius kills her too.
Etro is an idiot.
But Caius's suicide fixed the paradox, thus saving Yeul... Why DIDNT he kill himelf if he cares about it Yeul that much?
I recall hearing that it was better than XIII
My head hurts. The story is so...convoluted. Couldn't they just have addressed the War of Transgression? I think that would have been quite more interesting than this "If you change the future, you change the past" bullshit
Despite the convoluted story, this is the only game in the Final Fantasy XIII series I actually like.
Watched my sister play this and didn't understand the story. Watched this and still don't understand the story.
I enjoyed combat but story was a confusing mess. I did love the dlc as well. Some cool guest characters such as goddess lightning as a “monster”
So they took the already complicated story of FF13 and introduced time traveling and different timelines to it....greeeeaat
The original XIII's plot was fairly straight forward and had characters you cared about and ended well; then you're thrown into this chaotic convoluted nonsense + DLC. Why Square, why.
The first game had such a simple story and then they decided to make it all convoluted and confusing in the second one. Then the third one kinda fixed everything but at least gave us a happy ending
I nnever played this game, that being said, props to oni for explaining this
Jesus... is that what they want to do with the Final Fantasy 7 Remake sequels? I am horrified by how many similarities there are between this and the FF7 Remake. So convoluted and nonsensical.
Plus, they're being directed by the mind behind the guy who made the Kingdom Hearts story. What a colossally volatile mixture.
this was actually a good game with only one thing bothering me, the Pokemon approach to your 3rd party member. Yes it gave you a lot of choices, but you inevitably had to find a good one, FARM IT, and then level it. Wash, Rinse, Repeat. got annoying quick
Okay, _now_ I can play Lightning Returns.
Jesus, this is complicated.
Did the Fal'Cie pick up Cocoon and put it in front of the sun? 5:23 Ahaha
Yeah. Because vampires do not like sunlight.
Of course it all makes sense now
I don't understand why people can't grasp this game's story.
I mean, this is LITERARY the most straightforward and overexplained story in the series and I personally love it and think it's one of the best.
I mean, I bet I can write down the main pillar of the story in a single comment.
Etro saved the l'cie of their curse>Gates of chaos break>the possible futures expand and multiply almost beyond repair>the Yuels start dying on their 15th birthdays as a result>Caius, the owner of Etro's heart and the undying guardian of Yuel is too attached to her to let her torment go on indefinitely>He can only die if another guardian kills him and since Etro gave him her heart, she will die too>Noel refuses to kill his mentor>Caius uses the chaos to assault Valhala and kill the goddess himself since the power of her heart doesn't allow him to stab himself and die (he will just be ressurected instead. It has to be another guardian)>Etro imbues Lightning with powers to defend her>Lightning knows the battle loops eternally but she can lose so she asks Serah for help by sending Noel to her>Serah and Noel start solving paradoxes to fix the timeline but end up getting Yuel killed in the process every time>Caius senses that and can't allow it so he communicates with his past selves through the chaos in order to stop Serah and Noel>Serah and Noel eventually battle Caius in Valhalla and Caius forces Noel to murder him>Noel kills the godess and the unseen chaos consumes the world>Serah had also been blessed by Etro's sight like Yuel so she's the last seeress to die by time changing>Lightning learns that Serah died so she crystalizes herself in order to wake up at the right time to fight the chaos and the creator of all things, Bhunivelze>Caius achieves his goal and FUCKING WINS but his plans backfires ENTIRELY in 13-3
There. Was this plot seriously so hard to get people? -_-
So you are saying this plot is way easier than FF7 or 8 or 9 or 10? You must be on drugs...
JPH It is easier than FF 7's plot, yes. And that's because the actual, real plot for FF 7 wasn't released outside of Japan until the Steam remake. All that bullshit about "Sephiroth clones" never happened. Hopefully the remake will also show us the actual story instead of being fucked up like the original port. The real plot to FF 7 is very complex and rich.
It is also easier than FF 10's plot, yes. FF 10 starts out simple but then it gets completely convoluted with the Fayth and their memories, the differences between the various unsent, etc. By the end you're left wondering things like why Seymour would gradually turn into a monster instead of right away and yet still retain his memories and why Auron did not, how the Fayth operate and what their motives are and various other things that were poorly (or never) explained.
FF 9's story is probably equally simple. Not more, not less. It didn't have any confusing or unexplained parts as far as I recall. Maybe it had plotholes but I could care less, the overarching narrative made sense.
♞ Go Fuck Yourself ♞ I feel once you go into the time travel plot, you already fucked up because every time travel plot has plotholes and overlooked stuff and why didn't they do this it would have been easier and such. Never was a fan to time travel because it is NEVER stable. Always unexplained stuff.
JPH That's highly debatable. Chrono Trigger is one of the games which I consider amazing and the plot in that wasn't confusing.
FF 13-2 didn't have any plotholes either as far as I'm aware of.
A few questions
-It was mentioned that Etro had already intervened before Cocoon fell, why paradox effect kicked in now?
-It was certainly shown that Caius killed himself, or Noel barely holding the handle of the sword counts as him killing Caius?
-Why Serah became seeress?
This story is ridiculous, and that is saying a lot when it comes to Final Fantasy. I love watching your videos, especially the FF13 ones since I do not have to play them now XD.
Chrono Trigger revisited.
i thought final fantasy 13 was compilcated but i was wrong final fantasy 13-2 is even worst they should of just continue final fantasy 12 story
So a goddess goes stupid and endangers the universe by saving 5 (was it that number?) crystallized L'Cie?
+aranciaaurora The deal with Etro is that she's the most 'human' goddess, and this may have to do with her being unintentionally modeled after the top creator goddess. She's the flawed but caring one. Her whole story is of intervening for humanity or specific humans' sakes and yet complicating things even more. But then she finally dies (or whatever) and Lightning carries on her better intentions. It is of Etro herself that humanity was created, and through Etro's power and actions that humanity's souls could continue to exist after death (but in new birthed bodies). Where Pulse would challenge and house man and Lindzei would manipulate and form man, Etro birthed and cared for man, even while often being the god of their deaths. Even in the larger scale of her interventions bringing on the 'end of the world', this of course did also lead on the chain of events of Lightning doing her own stuff, but partially in the name of being the champion of Etro.
+Malcolm Swoboda
Honestly. I use to hate the Mythology of the game, till I found a detailed video that explained the myth without cutting corners.
I just hate how sloppy SE got with their Storytelling and decided to give us this Mythology in bits and pieces. It did Not even Help that Etro was intorduced in FF13-2, and honestly....they should've ended the Game There!.
+Daniel Ramsey Could you link that video by chance if you can still find it.
Daniel Ramsey "To be continued..." lol This sequel was a rickety bridge to a sloppy finale
I finished the first one and wow I'm so confused how did they go from a happy ending to this??
And I thought FF13 was confusing
Now I need a video of all the paradox routes and alternate endings.... :P
i'd love that too. been trying to get thru this game for years but get frustrated w/ raising monsters, what spheres to invest in ect
Thank you!
This game just goes too far imo. XIII has a chronic problem with not explaining itself well enough, but the game itself is fantastic anyway, and putting together the pieces of the lore isn't too difficult. I mean apart from the fact that they're like 'we're gonna save cocoon!' And then they make such a fuss about not killing Orphan just to do it anyway.
This game though? I don't get it. Why is Caius trying to stop the timeline from being realtered? Because Yuel. And I get that being immortal, seeing her die so many times must be awful, but you'd let the world become entropy, and the timeline fully collapse just so Yuel doesn't suffer?! What the actual-
How much of this did you understand? I understood roughly a 75% of it.
I don't know what kind of drugs they were taking when they wrote the story for this game, but holy shit. Hard to believe we went from the good old days of Final Fantasy to... this.
Most people enjoyed this over the original FFXIII, but the asinine time travel plot completely pulled me out of it. Checking this out as I still haven't played Lightning Returns and would do whatever I can to not play this game again, but what a train wreck of a story.
I honestly enjoyed the original FFXIII story, it may have had some stretches of imagination and a lot of proper nouns, but it had wonderful character development that really carried some of the weaker plot points. Also, there were some fascinating themes on destiny, fate, contractual obligations (in a more extreme sense), sustainability, independence, and determination.
FF13-2: How not to do time travel.
fail #1 not having 3 characters in party
fail #2 not having snow, hope, sazh or any of them as a 3rd member
fail #3 the extremely out of place attempt at copying chrono trigger with time travel, except doing it all wrong
fail #4 Making the game based on using a moogle to find invisible fragments
fail #5 making a game that had potential so atrocious
fail #6 making it so god damn hard to find where to go even with a guide because the story makes no sense if you do even one thing wrong
fail #7 its not ff7,8,9 or 10
I love this trilogy!!!!!!!!!!! Lightning is hot!!!
what is Final Fantasy XIII-2... a time paradox.
I used to think I understood Final Fantasy lore.
Snow's hair looks like a white chocobo
I know that 13 and 13-2 are connected but what is the third game in the trilogy
+jman lightning returns
Laowai Boss thank you
Got up to 22:00 then I got confused , I thought caius died already!?