I did wonder why Madeleine didn't approach her own husband when the "possession" became more serious. I thought it was because she didn't want her husband to worry, and she felt that she can only open up to John. Well, at the end it was all explained. After "Madeleine" jumped into the water and John rescued her... at his house she requested for her hair pins. I thought it a bit strange that she would think to pin up her hair at the time. Perhaps she feels more comfortable with her hair pinned up? But now I understand it was because she wants to keep up the image of being "Madeleine". Without her hair pinned up, she looks more like Judy Barton. Something I've only wondered after the movie. It seemed like "Madeleine" didn't need to work at all, she had so much free time. That's a suspicious point, but it can be explained if Gavin is the one responsible for the entire business, or Madeleine received enough inheritance to last a lifetime.
How did Gavin know exactly when to be at the mission? How did he get real Madeline up there? Why did Gavin not pay to get the other girl to leave town, instead leaving the opportunity for Scotty to see her? Why would Judy cooperate? Given the modest living circumstances and critical decision to stay in town, it doesn't seem like she was paid enough to agree to be an accessory to murder. This whole plot is so absurd that it really makes me wonder why this movie has jumped so high in critical estimation recently. I find it too hard to watch.
@@flarrfan I totally agree with you. Including this plot could have happened as per getting Scotty to think Madeline is suicidal and then push the real one off a cliff or some other simple but apparently self-induced method which would also mess up her face to disguise her identity. But then Hitchcock couldn't use his fancy new camera. But this is also a problem of many a murder-mystery. Agatha Christie is full of these highly choreographically plots where the slightest mishap would leave the murderer holding the bag. I complain about them too - although no one listens to me -then I sit back and watch the movie by blotting out the bits of disbelief (which as seems to happen here for you for this movie, sometimes you can't get past). Not in this movie, but a common accepted trope is the "stairways of death" where the evil doer can reliably plan on pushing someone down a flight of stairs to their ultimate demise. Or the knock on the noggin which so easily renders someone unconscious (skulls are hard). Or the murderer who first makes the police- and the readers - think he or she is guilty, then gets out of it, particularly in a legal "double-jeopardly" manner, only to be revealed in the end to be guilty.
The moment when Scotty watches Judy leave the bathroom to become Madeline is one of the most powerful in all of film. Scotty feels that he has conquered death itself.
Wonderful reaction ! Impressed that you figured out part of the plot twist. Hope you’ll watch Rebecca ( 1940) and Notorious (1946). Those two are great examples of earlier Hitchcock. So good !
Earlier Hitchcock to me is at least the 30s. And it's nice to see Hitchcock outside of Hollywood. Rebecca is good, though the ending (no spoilers) doesn't fit the style for me.
I'm one of those who think Vertigo is or could fairly be called the greatest film ever made. It is extraordinary. To address some of the comments below, I agree that the plot isn't believable. It is far-fetched in many ways. However, this simply doesn't matter. I think it perhaps adds to the film's greatness; the brilliance of the film-making overpowers the mundane "flaws" in the plot. I'll also add that just about any great movie could be nitpicked apart if one is so inclined. The Shawshank Redemption is the highest rated movie at IMDB and beloved by many. Well, what Andy Dufresne pulls off in that movie is, at best, highly unlikely. In fact, I've read that one specific detail of what he does would have been physically impossible. Obviously, this hasn't stopped people from loving that movie. Movies are movies and reality is reality. Yes, there certainly are exceptions to this rule and plot holes, lapses, etc., can ruin a movie. But Vertigo is not one of those movies. It is an absolute masterpiece.
True, watching any movie requires a suspension of disbelief. Some movie flaws/plot holes might be too over the top to ignore, and it also depends on the viewer. Personally, I feel that Vertigo's "possession" is still believable, so I didn't have a problem with that.
Most of the greatest plays, novels and movies hinge on at least one and usually several wild improbabilities. Hitchcock could never have given us this magnificent movie with all of its dizzying themes on the human condition without bending or compromising on stark reality here and there. And to add to the complexity and dizziness, consider that Scottie was never in love with Madeleine because he never met her. He was always in love with a woman named Judy who was pretending to be someone he never met. So he is being truthful when, trying to assure her of his love, he says "No, there is something inside you, Judy" (that he loves). And he is also being sincere when he tries to reconstruct the pretend Madeleine in Judy...because that pretend person IS the woman he loved. Similarly, in the first part of the movie, Judy (pretending to be Madeleine) fell in love with a man who was also pretending to be someone he was not; not a hired detective, but a passerby who happened to see her jump in SF Bay. Of course, she had an advantage in knowing he was pretending while he was in the dark about that regarding her. Still, she never met or spent time with the "real" John Scott Fergeson before she fell in love with him, only with a man who was pretending to be something he was not. VERTIGO is more heartbreaking the deeper you get into it and the more layers of the human condition we peel back in it.
Great, intelligent reaction and analysis. This is my favorite Hitchcock film and one of my top five favorite films of all time. I grow to love it more each time I watch it. I love your comment that the only ghost in the film is the ghost of Madeleine in Scotty's mind. The shot of her emerging from the bathroom door in a green ghostly haze, accompanied by Bernard Hermann's achingly beautiful music, is one of the greatest and most breathtaking moments in cinema history.
Wonderfully fun reaction! Can't wait for you to do my favorite Hitchcock - maybe even my favorite movie - North by Northwest! That one's a lot lighter but great fun,. Much Love.
James Stewart and Kim Novak teamed up again that same year as Vertigo, in the comedy Bell, Book and Candle. Novak sort of had the upper hand in that one as a witch who cast a love spell on Stewart.
@@henryellow Another witch movie to check out is _I Married a Witch_ with Veronica Lake. These two movies probably inspired the television series, _Bewitched._
Great reaction. This is a film that if you want to really study how Hitchcock uses all sorts of parallels with visuals, dialogue and even in Bernard Herrmann's brilliant score then you cn watch Vertigo over and over again. It's visualized like a dream within a dream and it's Scottie rather than "Madeleine" who becomes obsessed with the past so Gavin's scheme is projected inside Scottie to the point that that's what his whole world becomes until he figures out the truth via a mirror image. I could go on and on...like Bernard Herrmann does a cue that's absolutely ingenious in one scene that never fails to blow my mind that m's all about psychological parallels.
Another great parallel that many miss the first time is the dialogue about Elster and Carlotta’s husband. When Scotty first goes to Elster’s office, Gavin says he wished he could have lived in the days of Old San Francisco, when men had “power and freedom.” Then Pop Liebel tells Scotty the story of Carlotta and how her husband “threw her away.” Adding, “he had the power and the freedom” to do that. Then Gavin literally throws his wife away... off the bell tower. Gavin tells us in his very first scene what he is going to do, but we don’t have all the information yet to make full sense of it. Brilliant writing.
@@johnmoreland6089 great points. Even tormented Scottie realizes it to an extent when he says to Judy on the bell tower stairs, "Gavin with all that power and all that freedom..."
@robertjewell9727 which cue by Bernard Herrmann are you referring to? @johnmoreland6089 Great observation on that "power and freedom" parallel. I didn't even notice at all.
@@henryellow if you go about the 41:10 mark on this complete score recording (I couldn't isolate the bars themselves) bit it's a rising and falling series of notes that imitates precisely Scottie earlier saying while standing on a stepladder "I look up. I look down. I look up. I look down." This occurs just after he's left now Judy's apartment and we realize who she really is.
13:16 I don't know if The Chinese really say that you're responsible for a person once you save their life, but Hollywood has used that device for a long time. 17:00 That County Coroner is sure hard on Johnny at the inquest. Played by actor Henry Jones, often portrayed unlikable people. 24:20 It's so easy to get sympathetic for Judy and forget that she was an accessory to murder AND brought an innocent policeman into Gavin's plot, which was pretty dirty. Hitchcock could really play with the viewer's emotions...he once told an interviewer that "the audience should suffer as much as possible."
I highly doubt that's a Chinese saying 😂 He sure knows how to rub salt into people's wounds. I wasn't clear on whether Judy was aware that Gavin planned to kill his wife. What John said at the top of the tower was never confirmed by Judy.
@@henryellow Some of her part in the plot was contained in that letter she started writing to John when he first found her and followed her up to her hotel room when she was back to Judy.
There's two kinds of people, those who appreciate the thematic complexity and extremes of Vertigo and those that prefer the way simpler and less adventurous Rear Window. You'll get some people trying to find holes in it just because they want to explain why they don't like it even though it's Hitchcock's most critically acclaimed film. It could also be his most personal film. As with Psycho it deals with obsession, and has a death midway. Scottie creates Madelaine exactly the same way as Gavin did by dressing her up and changing her identity. The meta layer is that that's what an actress does. There is some kind of justice at the end, though Scottie also seems to pay for his obsession. He is left helpless as he watches someone fall to their death (as he did at the start). There is also an alternate extended ending on UA-cam, though I like the dramatic ending that was used.
Indeed, it deals with obsession, as with Psycho. Now that you point it out, the movie indeed starts with someone falling to death, and ends the same way. In the end, I believe the emotionally shocking incident cured his acrophobia. An alternate ending? 🤔 Is it like a director's cut by Hitchcock?
@@henryellow No, the extended ending was simply to placate censors. It showed Scottie and Midge together hearing a radio report of Gavin Elster getting arrested. Censors wanted it made absolutely clear that he didn't get away with the crime.
Great reaction to this classic. Often described as Hitchcock’s most personal or autobiographical film, it’s definitely one that can grow on you upon multiple viewings. Like many of his films it’s a real treat to see this in the cinema. If you’ve never seen any of his work you should try some films by David Lynch.
Scottie's obsession wasn't a prerequisite for the murder plot, as far-fetched as it was, to succeed. All Gavin needed was Scottie to: 1. Hear the stories about Madeleine's family past 2. Follow Madeleine to the correct places 3. Become interested enough in the case that he felt compelled to help Madeleine 4. Take Madeleine to the mission the second time she turned up at his door
@@maximillianford9301Hitchcock himself said that the major flaw of the plot bothered him. That Gavin Elster could not be absolutely sure that Scottie would not make it to the top of the bell tower and thus see him and Judy
Its not about bad writting it tells us more about Gavins character.' How he operates, how HE thinks ect... He truely believes this will work so he went for it
@@johnp515 Hicth should had traumatized his fear of heights much more. Instead he showed us the opposite. E.g. when Scottie visted the McKittricks hotel he "ran" up the stairs "walked next to the railing" of the staircase heading for the hotel room. He then went to the window and looks down into the street to see her car was gone and yet show no signs of acrophobia in that sequence.
"...it tells us more about Gavin's character... He truly believes this will work so he went for it." That reminds me of "Dial M for Murder" where the character also believes his plan will work flawlessly. Execution is very different from planning.
Another nice reaction and you are becoming quite the classic buff. Rebecca is excellent plot-wise if you can forgive the ageing of the melodrama but rather long. Dial M for Murder is a dialogue driven murder thriller with some nice twists which I think you would enjoy. But other than Hitchcock a movie that might keep you guessing is "Identity"(2003), well worth a view IMO.
When the Sight & Sound survey named this the greatest film of all time, Alan Arkin opined that it is not among the 500 greatest films of all time and not even Hitchcock's best. Coroner's inquest was just to establish cause of death to determine if any criminal charges should be brought against anyone. About 40 years ago, I randomly encountered Henry Jones (Coroner) at Tower Records in Westwood, CA.
@@henryellow Henry Jones also has supporting roles in _The Bad Seed_ and _Deathtrap,_ which I think you'd enjoy. (On a side note, _Sleuth,_ which features one of the stars of _Deathtrap_ and one of _Rebecca,_ is also worth a look. No Henry Jones there.) Henry Jones was a very good character actor.
Before a movie, I'll glance at the basic info. I might check out what type of movie it is, the cast, if it's based on any novels, etc. It depends on the movie, really.
Given your reactions, I think you might like the 1986 Sean Connery film, 'The Name of the Rose.' It is a historical period piece. About a friar investigating a murder in an abbey in the 14th century.
Not one of my most favorite Hitchcock movies but considering how many great movies he did, have a lot of choices. Personally I find it hard to watch the second half, where Scotty forces her to "become" his tragically lost love. Would be creepy even if she wasn't the same person. Particularly in that she puts up with it, in order to keep Scotty's love and interest. Have only watched the full movie a couple of times, but I do love watching all the first-time reactions to it, as they experience the twists and turns of the plot. Can't recall anyone ever guessing these right.
Yes, his grief and trauma transforms into an unhealthy obsession. Perhaps it is also a message about staying in a toxic relationship where the person changes their partner to their liking, instead of actually loving the partner as they are.
@@henryellow But is this a story about what happens with an unhealthy obsession, or is Hitchcock using this in order to take his story to where he wants it for the story itself? (Of course, either way, one can derive some insight.)
Obviously, this film is about, at least on the metaphorical level, the male gaze. Stewart's character, who is obsessed, tries to remake Judy into Madeleine and, as a consequence, is ]]ca critiques the male gaze.
I did wonder why Madeleine didn't approach her own husband when the "possession" became more serious. I thought it was because she didn't want her husband to worry, and she felt that she can only open up to John. Well, at the end it was all explained.
After "Madeleine" jumped into the water and John rescued her... at his house she requested for her hair pins. I thought it a bit strange that she would think to pin up her hair at the time. Perhaps she feels more comfortable with her hair pinned up? But now I understand it was because she wants to keep up the image of being "Madeleine". Without her hair pinned up, she looks more like Judy Barton.
Something I've only wondered after the movie. It seemed like "Madeleine" didn't need to work at all, she had so much free time. That's a suspicious point, but it can be explained if Gavin is the one responsible for the entire business, or Madeleine received enough inheritance to last a lifetime.
How did Gavin know exactly when to be at the mission? How did he get real Madeline up there? Why did Gavin not pay to get the other girl to leave town, instead leaving the opportunity for Scotty to see her? Why would Judy cooperate? Given the modest living circumstances and critical decision to stay in town, it doesn't seem like she was paid enough to agree to be an accessory to murder. This whole plot is so absurd that it really makes me wonder why this movie has jumped so high in critical estimation recently. I find it too hard to watch.
@@flarrfan I totally agree with you. Including this plot could have happened as per getting Scotty to think Madeline is suicidal and then push the real one off a cliff or some other simple but apparently self-induced method which would also mess up her face to disguise her identity. But then Hitchcock couldn't use his fancy new camera.
But this is also a problem of many a murder-mystery. Agatha Christie is full of these highly choreographically plots where the slightest mishap would leave the murderer holding the bag. I complain about them too - although no one listens to me -then I sit back and watch the movie by blotting out the bits of disbelief (which as seems to happen here for you for this movie, sometimes you can't get past).
Not in this movie, but a common accepted trope is the "stairways of death" where the evil doer can reliably plan on pushing someone down a flight of stairs to their ultimate demise. Or the knock on the noggin which so easily renders someone unconscious (skulls are hard). Or the murderer who first makes the police- and the readers - think he or she is guilty, then gets out of it, particularly in a legal "double-jeopardly" manner, only to be revealed in the end to be guilty.
@@flarrfan The Best Thing About This Film Is .... Bernard Herrmann's Score!
A wealthy woman like Madeleine Elster wouldn't have a job. And, in general, women didn't work outside of the home as much then as they do now.
@@jamesalexander5623 I think Hitchcock misses occasionally and gives us a pretty good but not great film, but Hermann never misses.
I absolutely LOVE your movie choices.
Agreed. Loads of classics. Long may it continue.
I was lucky enough to go to some Q&A's featuring Kim Novak last year. Very interesting.
One of the most lucid reactions to this movie I’ve seen. You’ve got a great mind for film analysis - will check out your other choices.
The moment when Scotty watches Judy leave the bathroom to become Madeline is one of the most powerful in all of film. Scotty feels that he has conquered death itself.
Wonderful reaction ! Impressed that you figured out part of the plot twist. Hope you’ll watch Rebecca ( 1940) and Notorious (1946). Those two are great examples of earlier Hitchcock. So good !
Of course, I'll be watching them in the future! 😉
Earlier Hitchcock to me is at least the 30s. And it's nice to see Hitchcock outside of Hollywood.
Rebecca is good, though the ending (no spoilers) doesn't fit the style for me.
I'm one of those who think Vertigo is or could fairly be called the greatest film ever made. It is extraordinary. To address some of the comments below, I agree that the plot isn't believable. It is far-fetched in many ways. However, this simply doesn't matter. I think it perhaps adds to the film's greatness; the brilliance of the film-making overpowers the mundane "flaws" in the plot.
I'll also add that just about any great movie could be nitpicked apart if one is so inclined. The Shawshank Redemption is the highest rated movie at IMDB and beloved by many. Well, what Andy Dufresne pulls off in that movie is, at best, highly unlikely. In fact, I've read that one specific detail of what he does would have been physically impossible. Obviously, this hasn't stopped people from loving that movie.
Movies are movies and reality is reality. Yes, there certainly are exceptions to this rule and plot holes, lapses, etc., can ruin a movie. But Vertigo is not one of those movies. It is an absolute masterpiece.
True, watching any movie requires a suspension of disbelief.
Some movie flaws/plot holes might be too over the top to ignore, and it also depends on the viewer.
Personally, I feel that Vertigo's "possession" is still believable, so I didn't have a problem with that.
Most of the greatest plays, novels and movies hinge on at least one and usually several wild improbabilities.
Hitchcock could never have given us this magnificent movie with all of its dizzying themes on the human condition without bending or compromising on stark reality here and there.
And to add to the complexity and dizziness, consider that Scottie was never in love with Madeleine because he never met her. He was always in love with a woman named Judy who was pretending to be someone he never met. So he is being truthful when, trying to assure her of his love, he says "No, there is something inside you, Judy" (that he loves). And he is also being sincere when he tries to reconstruct the pretend Madeleine in Judy...because that pretend person IS the woman he loved.
Similarly, in the first part of the movie, Judy (pretending to be Madeleine) fell in love with a man who was also pretending to be someone he was not; not a hired detective, but a passerby who happened to see her jump in SF Bay. Of course, she had an advantage in knowing he was pretending while he was in the dark about that regarding her. Still, she never met or spent time with the "real" John Scott Fergeson before she fell in love with him, only with a man who was pretending to be something he was not.
VERTIGO is more heartbreaking the deeper you get into it and the more layers of the human condition we peel back in it.
Great, intelligent reaction and analysis. This is my favorite Hitchcock film and one of my top five favorite films of all time. I grow to love it more each time I watch it. I love your comment that the only ghost in the film is the ghost of Madeleine in Scotty's mind. The shot of her emerging from the bathroom door in a green ghostly haze, accompanied by Bernard Hermann's achingly beautiful music, is one of the greatest and most breathtaking moments in cinema history.
Glad you enjoyed the reaction! 😊
I'm not surprised Vertigo is one of your top five 👍
Indeed, that is a scene to remember~
Wonderful reaction and astute observations throughout! 🙂👍
you nailed it thank you you really got my favorite movie
One of my very favourite films. So much tension its ridiculous.
Very intelligent, insightful reaction to this complex film. New subscriber! 😊
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it 😊
Welcome aboard 🤗
Wonderfully fun reaction! Can't wait for you to do my favorite Hitchcock - maybe even my favorite movie - North by Northwest! That one's a lot lighter but great fun,. Much Love.
Coming soon~ 😊
James Stewart and Kim Novak teamed up again that same year as Vertigo, in the comedy Bell, Book and Candle. Novak sort of had the upper hand in that one as a witch who cast a love spell on Stewart.
Cool, I might add that movie to my list~ 😉
@@henryellowPLEASE react to Bell, Book and Candle! 🔔 📖🕯
I was glad to see the two of them together in a happier movie.
@@henryellow Another witch movie to check out is _I Married a Witch_ with Veronica Lake. These two movies probably inspired the television series, _Bewitched._
The dream sequence with Carlotta gave me nightmares as a kid 😂
Yes, I remember being really creeped out by it as a kid too.
That scene can be scary for kids, especially with the music.
Not to mention it's probably the first time CGI was used in a film.
Yes!!
Hitchcock doesn't do "occult." It might seem like it for a moment or two, but his movies are always about people and the real world.
Well, he convinced me for a moment that it might be a supernatural movie 😂
there is a filmed alternate ending you can find it on youtube
I see. It seems like it's an extra scene rather than a different ending 👍🏻
Great reaction. This is a film that if you want to really study how Hitchcock uses all sorts of parallels with visuals, dialogue and even in Bernard Herrmann's brilliant score then you cn watch Vertigo over and over again. It's visualized like a dream within a dream and it's Scottie rather than "Madeleine" who becomes obsessed with the past so Gavin's scheme is projected inside Scottie to the point that that's what his whole world becomes until he figures out the truth via a mirror image. I could go on and on...like Bernard Herrmann does a cue that's absolutely ingenious in one scene that never fails to blow my mind that m's all about psychological parallels.
Another great parallel that many miss the first time is the dialogue about Elster and Carlotta’s husband. When Scotty first goes to Elster’s office, Gavin says he wished he could have lived in the days of Old San Francisco, when men had “power and freedom.” Then Pop Liebel tells Scotty the story of Carlotta and how her husband “threw her away.” Adding, “he had the power and the freedom” to do that. Then Gavin literally throws his wife away... off the bell tower.
Gavin tells us in his very first scene what he is going to do, but we don’t have all the information yet to make full sense of it. Brilliant writing.
@@johnmoreland6089 great points. Even tormented Scottie realizes it to an extent when he says to Judy on the bell tower stairs, "Gavin with all that power and all that freedom..."
@robertjewell9727 which cue by Bernard Herrmann are you referring to?
@johnmoreland6089 Great observation on that "power and freedom" parallel. I didn't even notice at all.
@@henryellow if you go about the 41:10 mark on this complete score recording (I couldn't isolate the bars themselves) bit it's a rising and falling series of notes that imitates precisely Scottie earlier saying while standing on a stepladder "I look up. I look down. I look up. I look down." This occurs just after he's left now Judy's apartment and we realize who she really is.
@@robertjewell9727 Oh, it was only for a short moment after Judy's "memory reveal". It's so subtle, can't believe you caught it 👍
My favorite movie!!!
13:16 I don't know if The Chinese really say that you're responsible for a person once you save their life, but Hollywood has used that device for a long time. 17:00 That County Coroner is sure hard on Johnny at the inquest. Played by actor Henry Jones, often portrayed unlikable people. 24:20 It's so easy to get sympathetic for Judy and forget that she was an accessory to murder AND brought an innocent policeman into Gavin's plot, which was pretty dirty. Hitchcock could really play with the viewer's emotions...he once told an interviewer that "the audience should suffer as much as possible."
I highly doubt that's a Chinese saying 😂
He sure knows how to rub salt into people's wounds.
I wasn't clear on whether Judy was aware that Gavin planned to kill his wife. What John said at the top of the tower was never confirmed by Judy.
@@henryellow Some of her part in the plot was contained in that letter she started writing to John when he first found her and followed her up to her hotel room when she was back to Judy.
There's two kinds of people, those who appreciate the thematic complexity and extremes of Vertigo and those that prefer the way simpler and less adventurous Rear Window.
You'll get some people trying to find holes in it just because they want to explain why they don't like it even though it's Hitchcock's most critically acclaimed film. It could also be his most personal film.
As with Psycho it deals with obsession, and has a death midway. Scottie creates Madelaine exactly the same way as Gavin did by dressing her up and changing her identity. The meta layer is that that's what an actress does. There is some kind of justice at the end, though Scottie also seems to pay for his obsession. He is left helpless as he watches someone fall to their death (as he did at the start).
There is also an alternate extended ending on UA-cam, though I like the dramatic ending that was used.
Well put, though Rear Window is certainly a great movie as well.
Indeed, it deals with obsession, as with Psycho.
Now that you point it out, the movie indeed starts with someone falling to death, and ends the same way.
In the end, I believe the emotionally shocking incident cured his acrophobia.
An alternate ending? 🤔
Is it like a director's cut by Hitchcock?
@@henryellow No, the extended ending was simply to placate censors. It showed Scottie and Midge together hearing a radio report of Gavin Elster getting arrested. Censors wanted it made absolutely clear that he didn't get away with the crime.
@@joebloggs396 Ah, I see. Thanks for sharing that.
Nice job!
Great reaction to this classic. Often described as Hitchcock’s most personal or autobiographical film, it’s definitely one that can grow on you upon multiple viewings. Like many of his films it’s a real treat to see this in the cinema.
If you’ve never seen any of his work you should try some films by David Lynch.
Sure, I'll check out David Lynch.
Thanks for your suggestion! 😊
There was no way Gavin knew that John's obsession would make him behave exactly in this manner.
Scottie's obsession wasn't a prerequisite for the murder plot, as far-fetched as it was, to succeed. All Gavin needed was Scottie to:
1. Hear the stories about Madeleine's family past
2. Follow Madeleine to the correct places
3. Become interested enough in the case that he felt compelled to help Madeleine
4. Take Madeleine to the mission the second time she turned up at his door
@@maximillianford9301Hitchcock himself said that the major flaw of the plot bothered him. That Gavin Elster could not be absolutely sure that Scottie would not make it to the top of the bell tower and thus see him and Judy
Its not about bad writting it tells us more about Gavins character.' How he operates, how HE thinks ect... He truely believes this will work so he went for it
@@johnp515 Hicth should had traumatized his fear of heights much more. Instead he showed us the opposite. E.g. when Scottie visted the McKittricks hotel he "ran" up the stairs "walked next to the railing" of the staircase heading for the hotel room. He then went to the window and looks down into the street to see her car was gone and yet show no signs of acrophobia in that sequence.
"...it tells us more about Gavin's character... He truly believes this will work so he went for it."
That reminds me of "Dial M for Murder" where the character also believes his plan will work flawlessly. Execution is very different from planning.
Another nice reaction and you are becoming quite the classic buff.
Rebecca is excellent plot-wise if you can forgive the ageing of the melodrama but rather long.
Dial M for Murder is a dialogue driven murder thriller with some nice twists which I think you would enjoy.
But other than Hitchcock a movie that might keep you guessing is "Identity"(2003), well worth a view IMO.
I do have Identity (2003) in my list, haven't watched it yet though.
Thanks for your suggestion 😉
@@henryellow Just make sure you don't spoil the plot before you watch it by reading any promo bumf. 😉
Hitchcock said this movie was about obsession
When the Sight & Sound survey named this the greatest film of all time, Alan Arkin opined that it is not among the 500 greatest films of all time and not even Hitchcock's best. Coroner's inquest was just to establish cause of death to determine if any criminal charges should be brought against anyone. About 40 years ago, I randomly encountered Henry Jones (Coroner) at Tower Records in Westwood, CA.
Thanks for the fun fact~
Cool that you met one of the cast, though not the likable character in the movie 😂
@@henryellow Henry Jones also has supporting roles in _The Bad Seed_ and _Deathtrap,_ which I think you'd enjoy. (On a side note, _Sleuth,_ which features one of the stars of _Deathtrap_ and one of _Rebecca,_ is also worth a look. No Henry Jones there.) Henry Jones was a very good character actor.
And???????
Alas, he left before I had a chance to engage him in conversation.
How did I miss this comment before? I'll add those 3 movies you suggested, thanks! 😊
Henry, do you look at the Wiki articles you often mention and show in your introductions before or after you watch the movie?
Before a movie, I'll glance at the basic info. I might check out what type of movie it is, the cast, if it's based on any novels, etc.
It depends on the movie, really.
Given your reactions, I think you might like the 1986 Sean Connery film, 'The Name of the Rose.' It is a historical period piece. About a friar investigating a murder in an abbey in the 14th century.
I'll add it to my list.
Thanks for suggesting! 😊
@@henryellow William of Baskerville is the friar. The author was a Sherlockian.
Not one of my most favorite Hitchcock movies but considering how many great movies he did, have a lot of choices. Personally I find it hard to watch the second half, where Scotty forces her to "become" his tragically lost love. Would be creepy even if she wasn't the same person. Particularly in that she puts up with it, in order to keep Scotty's love and interest.
Have only watched the full movie a couple of times, but I do love watching all the first-time reactions to it, as they experience the twists and turns of the plot. Can't recall anyone ever guessing these right.
Scotty's obsession makes him very creepy. I think Hitch could have been more successful with more subtlety.
Yes, his grief and trauma transforms into an unhealthy obsession.
Perhaps it is also a message about staying in a toxic relationship where the person changes their partner to their liking, instead of actually loving the partner as they are.
@@henryellow But is this a story about what happens with an unhealthy obsession, or is Hitchcock using this in order to take his story to where he wants it for the story itself? (Of course, either way, one can derive some insight.)
@@henryellow That's why he cast Stewart, someone whose side the audience instinctively takes--because the character is not that nice, really.
That is creppy? How about that Gavin dressed Judy up to act as her wife to gaslighting Scottie so they use him to murder a young woman?
Obviously, this film is about, at least on the metaphorical level, the male gaze. Stewart's character, who is obsessed, tries to remake Judy into Madeleine and, as a consequence, is ]]ca critiques the male gaze.
...and yet .... he was literally being manipulated and gaslighting by her through the whole movie ; )