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Election blind dates: Toff and Jack Monroe - BBC News
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2017
- What happens when two strong-minded individuals from opposite sides of the political debate sit down for dinner? The BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme sent Made in Chelsea star Toff on an election blind date with food blogger Jack Monroe.
Toff, real name Georgia Toffolo, says she had a privileged background and is a Conservative Party member, while Jack Monroe, who at one time was unemployed and unable to afford food, is a member of three parties, including the Labour Party.
But did they get on?
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Toff: 'the harder I work the more I own' YOU'RE ON A REALITY SHOW YOU LITERALLY GET PAID FOR BEING YOU THAT'S NOT HARD WORK
How come you aren’t on one
@@compendioussuccient6784 Maybe she has more self respect?
@Etta James Harder work than nursing, cleaning, teaching kids with disabilities, working in a Chinese restaurant kitchen? Really?
@Etta James Notice how all the professions I listed are lower income despite being very hard work. Some below or at minimum wage. By Toff's logic, they just need to work harder and they'll earn more. Her privilege is showing, big time.
So embarrassed for her, getting her ideas about the working class from tv programs made to entertain and mock.
I 100% agree with you Regan!
@@samimorgan2252 Yes and it takes 100,000 benefit cheats to steal as much as one investment banker....
Could say the same to you
That's why I've believed that you should never form your perogative based on something that's either mostly or entirely fictional
toff - "most people on benefits are lazy cheats"
jack - "city boys in suits and private members club"
toff - "ugh that is such a stereotype!"
I'm from a council estate in the north and can confirm that a massive amount of people who are on benefits in my area do not deserve the benefits they are afforded by the government and abuse the system in order to avoid working.
@@owenwinn2821 So what do they do instead then?
Immigrants will come out and say outright that The UK is the place to be if you want benefits easily. It is abused more than one can comprehend.
@@laraimam241 and how many immigrants do you know ?
@@smcc5785 I watched one programme where a Romanian man (who had never even been to the UK himself) told reporters that it is a known fact that many Romanians go to the UK to seek benefits and that he knows numerous people that do so. Obviously this isn’t every immigrant but the ones on benefits have often come to the UK not for a job but for the benefits they get here that they don’t at home. It’s a known fact.
it's quite astonishing how out of touch you can be with the working class
bboyy 1871 but people in the City work really hard!
When will Labour ever learn?
I assume you're talking about about Jack Monroe.
I am very working class and COMPLETELY agree with Georgia Toffolo on pretty much everything!!!!!!
She’s been brought up into wealth and money and is so ignorant toward the poor and how people struggle with finding jobs and how people struggle with the lack of welfare they’re given. Like Toff needs to realise we all didn’t go to private school and some of us are growing up on benefits and minimum wage.
im working on less than minimum wage at a p**i shop yet shes a millionaire and done fk all ahah
What's worse, even after all Jack had said about being poor and having no money for her children to eat, regardless of what jack is earning know, toff still allowed jack to pay. To me that's sums up the right
She’s Got money for hair dye AND tattoos, but says no money for food 🤔 interesting. 🙄 🤦🏽♀️
And was drinking a bottle of whiskey a day... well, at night to “get to sleep” who knows whatever else she drank during the day. But NO FOOD!
I wonder how much her bottle of whisky cost, might’ve been enough for her child’s meal.
Toff is just so out of touch with working class people 😂
well, I really liked toff before seeing this but I've had to change my mind. she doesn't seem to realize that it depends what sector you're in which decides how much your hard work is rewarded. and her 'class' are more likely to get in the highly paid sector.
*says all people on benefits are lazy*
Jack : * points out rich people get jobs through family connections*
THAT'S SUCH A STEREOTYPE :(((
Ah, such double standards!
Jack Monroe is quick to criticise others, but never seems to admit to any real shortcomings in her herself.
@1996freddie - I've never been the recipient of nepotism but that doesn't give me the right to criticise others with impunity. What you say has nothing to do with my comment, so why direct it to me? Don't answer, I don't care.
Also, how many tradesmen (for example) got their start through their dad? It's not just rich people who favour those close to them. This fact doesn't help your argument so you overlook it.
@@allahspreadshate6486 it’s more like they helped there dads business and learned a trade not like they were borking into a 6 figure job with many resources and personal links to them
@@allahspreadshate6486 yes she does, Jack is most self depreciating.
Productivity does not equate to wealth! This should be so damn obvious with anyone with a brain!
K FF exactly
It does but it’s not a linear relationship
ABSOLUTELY
Toff not so likeable. As they say never talks politics
Toff: "It's (fox hunting) a great old British tradition"
Jack: "But, there are lot of great British traditions. Slavery was a great old British tradition"
Toff, age 22, "really love politics" and fox hunting, lucky that she "went to nice school and live in lovely part of London", thinks poor people are lazy (not hard-working kind of people because she work hard and earn more), have been "member of conservative party for last 8 years now" (since she was 14!!!), hard for her to imagine how someone of her age can vote for Labour; mind you, she's not "stuck up".
Only idiots vote Labour
Naeem
The slavery comparison is a false one though
Of course she "loves politics." She's so privileged that it's almost an abstract concept to her or a fun cocktail party conversation. Whereas for many people it's the reason they skip meals to feed their kids, or commit suicide due to a shortage of psych ward beds.
Elle Why If people didn’t spend their cash on smartphones and booze, they’d have enough to feed their kids 3 square meals and have a bit left over for dessert. Just needs a bit of tough love and budgeting support.
@@BossySwan You can't get a job or benefits without a mobile these days.
Thanks for speaking your corner Jack, And impressed by your composure, I certainly would have been quite frustrated in your situation.
I bet you're one of those people who talks over others when you were the one who asked the question in the first place...
@@user-vh6ts9uf6c I'm not actually, are you?
Poor Toff comes across as a person who never had an original political thought. Her party's line is Remain--> she votes Remain. The party switches the line to Leave--> Toff becomes a Leave enthusiast. Torries say let's fox hunt it becomes a great British tradition. Guess what will happen if Torries change their queue...
This is one of the reasons why I don't vote for something unless I fully understand what it is I'm voting on and feel strongly about it. I don't do it based solely on influence
Tory party was more LEAVE. She has the intellect to actually get the vote wrong in a yes,/no choice.
That Toff encompasses all the negative stereotypes of both the tories and posh privileged people
Tara McVeigh Notice she just accepted the other lady to pay for her despise knowing how much she had in comparison, I bet that was like that for her whole life.
@ Danny Well...Jack is pretty successful these days. She can't possibly be short of money.
Tara McVeigh she's fine
eve khan ... I thought the same as you but I've changed my opinion. and, I wonder if jack was so sweet because she was attracted to toff.
Toff "The tories are getting away with murder". Yes, quite literally if you look at the tragic suicides of a number of disable people due to the cuts in their welfare benefits.
Does she know what it is like to work 40-50 hours on minimum wage? Are they fairly paid for their work? Does Toff think she works harder than a full time nurse/policeman/fireman/shop worker/teacher? If rate of work was fairly paid in this country (I've seen Made in Chelsea), Toff would be paid roughly £2 an episode. All she has likely ever known is privilege and it is quite simply embarrassing to watch her take pride in her words.
myelectioneering she's a full time lawyer
myelectioneering what is minimum wage in the UK and who earns that
And?
Copy and paste your reply into google
Basically communism. How did that work out ?
oh my god! ... you couldn't make it up ... the rich girl having lunch bought for her. they're so used to being looked after by those beneath them. jack should have insisted on 50/50. tsk.
Did you ever think that maybe Jack doesn't want lunch brought for them.
work hard you earn, ask a factory worker lol
detech venture yeah lol on a zero hours contract, fuck toff man
pointless murders is ok but a plant is deeply distressing wtf
Toff is expertly demonstrating that people vote Conservative because they protect the wealth of the rich
Tell that to the 70% of people who voted conservative, a large number of whom live in ex mining towns.
No both of the party’s are there to protect the rich
If only the rich voted conservative, they would not hold the majority of the seats in the commons.
@@billslim1112 most of which haven't a damn clue! Turkey voting for Christmas with very short memories of what happened to their towns just 35 years ago.
Stick Toff on a council estate in Totenham on minimum wage for a year in a rundown council flat paying bedroom tax, she will then see why people her age vote Labour.
Says govt can't afford to help the vulnerable but no talk of tax avoidence until it was raised by the Left leaning lady.
@@Fletch_18 So your saying the people who voted conservative are stupid and didnt know what they were doing
I'm unimpressed that toff didn't insist on paying the bill !! Used to having others paying for her. 🤨
Toff:But that is such a stereotype....Also Toff:Benefits cheats
Toff spends her life doing the most piss easy work as a 'reality star', she doesn't know what hard work nor real life for most people
I actually love this so much, to actually give it a shot, being so open and understanding
Wow their interviews at the start and the contrast between them were actually a bit sickening
and yes toff, they literally are getting away with murder 12:00
100th like! Yes!
Can't believe she actually said that. What a horrible woman.
I think the left winger is a lot more likeable and correct in the inequality debate.
Nahhh
looks like toff live up to her name
Toff sounds like Lindsay Lohan as the British twin in The Parent Trap.
Why is alcohol legal then? It's poison. If anything the government can put taxes on Marijuana if it ever gets legalized.
I’ve watched this very carefully, treated it with due objectivity, have no particular personal political bias or affiliation, identify as ideologically neutral and have ultimately decided that this Toff woman has mashed potatoes for brains.
And the empathy and compassion of a snake
yes she's a millionaire.... and you're you
reminiscent of "let them eat cake"
'Drugs are drugs for a reason'
'Foxhunting is a great old British Tradition'
Charles Norris the comment about drugs made me laugh as so many of the made in Chelsea stars have been caught doing coke
😂😂
That Toff girl must be as thick as mince. I’ve been a care worker, and now work as a software engineer, and am married to a care worker. There’s no doubt that care work is physically harder than writing code, it can be relentless for an entire 12 hour shift. My wife earns a little more than minimum wage for her efforts, while I earn several times that. I would not pretend for a minute that I work harder than my wife; she’s the one who comes home knackered
Its not about how hard you work but about how smart you work. You realized that yourself. The real question is....Do you produce enough value? The trick is to get a system in place that allows people to aquire valuable skills. The educational institutional complex, built by progressives has failed miserably. Rather than own up to that fact and reform, you pander to the working class and say vote for me, I'll take from them and give to you.
@@derkguez8590 such a stupid take. If everyone learns the skills to “work smart” then who will do all the essential work to keep society working? Care work doesn’t create value but is a billion times more important than every other middle or high class bullshit job
@@derkguez8590 what a fkin word salad..
Much better than shrieking at one another. I don't like most of your stuff, but I liked this, thanks BBC.
I love how respectful they are of each others views.
Did you notice how only jack thanked the waiter. "Judge someone by how they treat someone they don't have to be nice to ".
Toff says 'thank you' at 3:37 but don't let that get in the way of your agenda...
Sean ☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️😂😂😂
Toff is frustrating
Really nice to see them discussing in a civilised way, accepting each others points of view
Amazing how the rich and privileged are so against benefits spending. What a mind set
But I bet their Daddies have investments in tax havens
you should provide subtitles for people with hearing disabilities ,please
There's a difference between benefits fraud and signing on, benefits fraud is lying about your situation to get benefits, that's the one pc that she's talking about.
"Drugs are drugs for a reason."
Pretty much like saying Brexit means Brexit
Really enjoyed this video, wow jack well done for paying for this lunch and for being honest about your circumstances....
So the wealthy Tory happy to let a struggling woman pay. So used to sponging on the poor.
I’m not sure where I stand politically but I was a brought up in a working class family and my parents are both labour. I agree with toff on some things but the other women is right a lot of people work there arses off and don’t earn a lot like my parents
A pattern I've noticed from the social climbers is that somebody tends to get shafted in their climb to the top.
Harry McCusker tell us more
Yes, the less competent get shafted for the competent. We call it meritocracy.
She wouldn't know a days graft if it whispered gossip in her ear
Toff is a typical Tory.
God I liked Toff, but this kind of changes my thoughts on her
Naem Khan I agree. It's funny while she was in the jungle playing mrs perfect she didn't think to mention any of these ignorant as fuck views. She knew the public would have her out of there quicker than one of her friends hunts a poor fox.
Same, she’s so detached from reality 🙄 ‘If you work hard, you earn’ 🧐 Delusional!
@@strangeways4530 maybe because her political views don't necessarily define her actual personality. It's a complete fallacy of association. Also, I'm a Celebrity isn't the ideal place for politics????
thoughly depressing, so thanks
Hurrr durrr did you mean thoroughly? Idiot. Please don't vote. You're not intelligent enough to do so.
all the wars in the world As the only man on earth to make a spelling error I apologise. Spotting it never went to your head either. Your punctuation is awful but don't worry.
+all the wars in the world The cancer is strong in this one.
Rewrite my comment with what you think is correct punctuation.
all the wars in the world I'd rather think of how excited you were to spot a mistake 😂 must be a good life.
"theres a reason why it a drug" lol
Toff is so out of touch , she comes across as someone with no life experience. She has NEVER done a days work in her life.
"You're not horribly left wing, I'm not horribly right wing".
Flat tax, fox hunting, Thatcher, slash benefits. You were half right and a halfwit.
John Riordan You can see where she gets her nickname from..
“Slavery was a great old British tradition” I love this woman 😂👌🏼
@Nim Boo Not at all. If foxes need to be culled (and I accept they often do) then it should be done humanely. Not by people who dress up on horses and command hounds to rip apart creatures for existing.
Slavery was a worldwide tradition before Britain was the first country to stop it.
@@artificiallift9110 britain only stopped it after significant pressure, after doing it for 200 years, after instituting the almost-unique transatlantic slave trade (unique in the fact that it lasted for centuries, was rooted in racist ideology and involved people being sold into permanent slavery). not to mention that britain paid the slave-owners compensation but not the slaves. and when it came to the descendants of those slaves exercising their rights they were treated terribly...did you catch that windrush documentary on bbc 2 recently?
@@arianrhodhyde7482
Slavery wasn't unique to britain though, it's been a constant throughout history, it's still a serious problem in africa. To call slavery a british tradition is pretty ignorant of history as a whole.
@@paulw6183 slavery wasn't unique to britain but it shaped and fundamentally changed the country and went on for a long time so you can call it a tradition. and slavery is a problem in britain too they just broke up a big slavery ring in the uk
Typical rich person let’s the poor person pay for lunch.
Real credit to Jack that she was able to build a rapport with and be congenial to someone so out of touch with reality and with such ridiculous views. I don't think I would have retained my composure nearly as well!
Luckily not everyone is as politically insecure as you.
Jack is the one who is out of touch. She is awful, narcissistic and slimey. No sense of personal responsibility had child she couldn’t afford because she had casual sex, thinks drugs should be legalised as a spliff is better than a bottle of whiskey every night, thinks she can change her gender.
Vile, attention seeking, selfish, lefty.
Why is Toffolo out of touch with reality ? Typical socialism, let's hate rich people for being monied and better schooled than us.
Something everybody can agree on: Nobody wants Dianne Abbott to be the head of MI5 😂
Yes I agree but I’m worried she actually believes Home Secretary is the head of mi5 that’s not how it works
I watched Made In Chelsea once expecting to see some civilisation, what with Geordie Shore being the standard representation for the North East (where I'm from). It seemed the whole lot of the MIC cast are thick as two short planks (perhaps save Francis), living a life of luxury on the money they inherit, not the money they've earned. It was quite disgusting to see, really. The Geordie Shore cast are ill-behaved and probably just as thick, but at least there is a slither of entertainment in it.
Keyser Söze
The difference between TOWIE, GEORDIE SHORE & MIC is that the GS cast members have improved their lives. Meanwhile the other 2 shows are full of people who went to private school yet still so stupid and ignorant
Toff needs to get in the real world
Even in the real world, she'd just be a temporary visitor, like the objects of Jarvis Cocker's scorn in Common People. She thinks she's nice, that's the kicker.
She's the last person to talk about working hard
"I Love it they (Tories) are getting away with murder." & there you have it.
MintSauce ! Makes me feel sick hearing that
Toff doesn't know anyone who is working hard and still struggling to survive. Clueless.
Learn English with KT sure but you do know toff has a degree in politics and is very smart, she definitely worked hard and I don’t think you can bring someone down with first impressions, if you see her on I’m a celeb she is lovely, I think it’s all an act for the show but yeah yano
Ughitsnotsimple She's doing the exact thing on I'm a celeb. You think the way she presents herself on TV is the same when she is off air?
Working Hard =/= Having a shit job
You can work hard in a shit job though...
"If you want to be a bird, fly. If you want to be a worm, crawl. But don't scream when you are stepped on"
This is the problem today. People lack initiative to better themselves, they find a naff job with little pay and long hours and decide to settle down in it. The common excuse is "But I can't find a better job, But I don't have the right qualifications" etc etc. This is a lie. In our lovely modern world with the internet all the resources are out there that you need to be able to make a better you. It is sheer laziness which holds people back.
"people that work hard earn more money"... erm.. what planet are you on Toff?
Becky Holmes how did she win I’m a celeb?! How!!!!!????
The majority of people voted for her, therefore she won; this democratic process seems to be very hard for some people to get their head around...
Alex Jackson I’m pretty sure she’s asking why people voted for her not that hard to understand
It's also very, very easy to understand that increasing numbers of the voting public really liked Toff as the programme progressed (even if they didn't like/know her previously). A simple question will get a similar response.
I wonder what people like about her as her views are very - -- gosh what can I say, very.....shall we just say she’s not very broad minded is she. Tally hoe the fox hunting tossers and all that...
When she says people who drive trains she should actauly now train drivers earn over 45 grand and on the tube up to 70k
Toff? jes you couldn't even satirize this.
I really thought that Jack Monroe came the good here, well done :)
Omg. I didn't realise that toff is so far removed from reality although she thinks she is not. Get back to MIC.
Toff, nurses are using food banks, and childcare/daycare workers are on an average of £7.09 an hour, and you still think if you work hard you get rewarded, the only people that get rewarded are the bankers that are typically born into the industry getting six figure salaries when nurses and childcare workers are scraping through life.
Nope STILL no evidence of nurses using food banks. Labour just won't let this fallacy die and have peddled it to death. The RCN have only claimed that student nurses use food banks due to 'insufficient' grants. I have yet to hear of one full-time working nurse that has resorted to using a food bank, unless nurses are gambling their money away in Ladbrokes or have eight kids, a dog and their neighbour to feed. STOP sensationalising this story.
you're an idiot, you've just said ''it's a choice to be poor''.
Jarvoh tell that to bill gates, someone who was in the shallows early in his life and see where he has come. look at Steve jobs who went from a nobody to a billionaire. care to go on? the left are just sleezebags who want the government to supply them with everything
Jarvoh also an idiot has better grammar than you ironically "your"
How are children in the UK meant to become the next Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, when schools are under-funded, that they can't get the qualifications to go to College/Uni. Also Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are examples that are 1 in a million.
Train drivers earn a lot of money actually.
Im not a left wing voter, but I don't particularly agree with Toff. she is wrong about working your arse off (what would she know anyway really). The hospitality industry for example is appalling, so is nursing and even my field of healthcare doesn't pay that much to begin with.
The UK currently has regions that have the lowest salaries in Europe, to the extent that it is matching places like Italy for similar jobs, and my italian friends have now gone home again because it really is no better. And these people, along with Brits, are bloody hardworking but you'll be waiting a long time to go up the career ladder.
Also there are nicer British traditions than Fox hunting.
Eugh god these two both spout a pile of rubbish.
Toff is a Tory she had a head start in life went to private school private hospital she is not aware of the unfairness of working class prop
TOFF IS 22? SHE NEEDS TO LAY OF THE BOOZE AND CUPCAKES LOL THOUGT SHE WASS 35!!
SilverSurferTrading - Lol 😂 same
Twenty two? jesus christ
Fox hunting is a great British tradition? Lol
Zahida we fox hunt in Australia because foxes are feral
Yes, incase you hadn’t realised.
LifeAsShan the fact it being for the upper class is a myth. Fox hunting unites both the working and upper class
You’re not even british though?
John Wayne - Did she say she was?
Love these two. Great friendships have always been possible across a political divide. Winston Churchill had many great friends in the Labour Party. Being able to say what you think is right but listening with respect to opposing views. Everyone learns.
Completely agree with everything Jack Monroe is saying, completely disagree with everything Toff is saying
Georgia Lillian of course you do because your brainwashed and indoctrinated with left wing agendas at school or collage or wherever it is you go
kirkham111 excuse me, have you ever been in a foodbank and spoken to people. i want to cry
''Drugs are drugs for a reason" xD
i love there conservation....i wish them both the best in life.
Wow, that was embarrassing. The way Toff jumped in when she was tying to explain the other side of austerity. She also relays her points as if they are obvious. That same facial expression every time. Ideologically shackled. This shower her true self.
8:30 🤣 genious 👏🏽 👏🏽
What’s the name of this lovely London cafe? Does anyone know? Thanks.
Thanks for posting, have you posted any more of these? I can't get through to your channel at the moment, maybe UA-cam is not allowing channel access.
If wiping arses (a noble and worthy occupation imv) paid £25 an hour then the whole approach to hard work paying well would be transformed into one of integrity. Instead its quite the opposite, which only points to the reality that those who run the country and its finances do not care one jot about those who really need to be looked after properly by those around them that are rewarded justly.
Toff isn’t horribly right wing? She might want to do some self-evaluation
This is air head Conservatism
Politics makes people so mad, left wing or right wing were all human beings with different minds and we should appreciate people views and differences
Definitely some chemistry at the end there. Very weird
Can't believe she didn't pay
Clearly toff works so hard ahahahahahahahahaha
Notice the working class lady (Jack) was always polite to the waiting staff whilst Toff failed to acknowledge their existence. Notice Jack was the one who paid whilst the so called rich kept her money.
And now she's on I'm A Celeb and everyone love her.
This was interesting, I think they both came off badly at some points but Jack was very good at keeping calm x
Toff in her bubble for 16 mins
Jack Monroe is like a lesbian Lily Allen.
James S im here for it,what a girl. SHE was the one who worked hard, toff was born on a country estate reciting latin to her oxford taught tutor, she has no ability to form a balanced opinion
This is an example of those on the more conservative side of politics pursuing ideals over practicality. It would be great if those on welfare receive the help that they truly need, like Jack should have, and that the select few would stop abusing the system-yet how can that be accomplished if you cut funds to the system as an entirety? How is that a viable solution? It’s like using a hammer to kill a mosquito. Perhaps abuse of the system can never be entirely prevented, yet that is worth withstanding more so than having an inadequate social welfare system overall, surely anyone can see that. And of course, as Jack said, the bigger issue than the less than one percent who do abuse the system are those in huge corporations who dodge taxes amounting in the hundreds of millions.
EDIT: “The harder I work, the more I earn” Funny considering Toff dropped out of university twice. Just saying.
I feel sick.
The 'conservative' here is not really representative of the current Conservative Party or most prospective or dedicated conservative voters. Her poorly articulated but clear Thatcherite ideological leanings have pretty much been eroded out of the party since Cameron's premiership and are now totally obsolete because its current leader is the ultimate Blairite centrist. Grassroots conservative voters like myself with perhaps more similar views to Toff's reluctantly vote for the Conservative Party because there isn't an established right-leaning opposition that appeals to us after UKIP's demise.
Thamer B- I wish your assessment were true but a large proportion of Tory voters I come across really do look down on anyone who is struggling as having either brought it on themselves or being insincere.
You claim Cameron and May are centrist but there is nothing moderate about hounding people to their deaths with work capability assessments! And Tory voters can hardly complain about a negative image when their attitude amounts to survival of the fittest.
The average Tory voter for instance regards all welfare claimants as 'lazy dole scroungers' without considering the soul-destroying experience many claimants go through. If unemployment results in 'free money' as Tory voters believe how does that explain the far higher rate of suicides among the unemployed if their life is supposedly so easy? Many people who sign on would rather not precisely because of the social stigma it brings. You are treated as a criminal in everything but name. And the real something for nothing here is forcing people into workfare programmes for a fraction of the minimum wage.
Sure there are claimants who abuse the system and that is clearly wrong, but it is not an excuse to vilify everyone whose life circumstances lead them with no choice but to sign on.
But Tory voters are so ideologically blinded by their superior and callous attitudes they seem incapable of trying to consider being in someone else's shoes.
There are things I agree with the Conservative Party on. I trust them more on crime, national identity and defence but on other social areas, they have a long way to go to shed the image of a 'survival of the fittest' ideology.
From my perspective the entire mindset of Tory voters is 'I am a taxpayer, why should my money help x, y or z?' It is a vindictive and selfish attitude stirred up by the likes of the Daily Mail and the Sun. These rags take the worst cases of welfare abuse and present it as the norm. And unfortunately Conservative voters are very influenced by this.
I am not saying all Conservative voters think this way, but most do.
cameron was a thatcherite. cuts and no compassion. the basis of a thatcherite
But I agree with Toff (the blonde girl) on how we shouldn’t be punished for earning more money by working hard. You’re not going to want to work harder only to have a lot if taken away from you.
But people who have a lot of money but get taxed more still have far more wealth than someone who is working class and doesn't earn a lot.
I worked in Social Services....I saw generation after generation..getting State help...One 17 yr yr old told me she wanted a baby ???? I said well you need a job..she stated she could do what mom does...meaning Welfare....sickening..children are taught life by how the parent lives ...
Toff doesn't really represent the majority of sane conservatives. Fox hunting? Really?
driving trains ~ actually my dad is a train driver and earns a very good wage!
Rod Marshall lol my dad earns a bomb as a train driver
I'm guessing this was taped prior to the GE campaign... I'm sure "Toff" isn't laughing so hard at Jeremy now.
Ben Willock Conservatives will win a 100 seat majority, then they'll laugh! 😁
Orange Tack this comment is hilarious in retrospect
Alex Langham ye 😂
In regards to Jack's argument about salary pay between a Healthcare Assistant and a Banker I'd have to ask how much a Surgeon/Consultant is paid compared to a HCA. Also the difference between a salary of an Investment Manager and a Cashier at a bank get paid.
So many opinions and so little life experience... 😥