The Problem with (most) Kayak Seats
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- Опубліковано 4 гру 2021
- If you want to get good in a sea kayak, it takes time and practice. But is your seat hindering you? This may help you figure it out.
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Redfish Kayak makes nice custom foam seats. They pop right in and stay put. I got one for my Eddyline Sitka. It definitely improved the boat, though the rear deck is still a bit high for my taste.
For the love of Delta, I have to say they are fantastic with replacements. I bought a used 15.5 out of Portland Kayak's rental fleet that had the seat back disintegrate after I had the boat less than a year. They didn't have to do it, and it was just out of warranty, but they did send me a new seat back.
And here I thought I was weird for putting the back support all the way down. Being new to kayaking I really find your videos very useful. I appreciate your work
What a great topic, I did catch your drift… very true
To get back into kayaking I bought a little kayak with no seat back, thigh hooks nor hip padding. This forced me to sit up and gain core strength. After a couple of years I still haven't added the missing bits in and happy paddling for 4 hours or more. For me, if the seat back is above the coaming I just keep walking.
Good comments Brett, like you I’ve removed a few seat back bands over the years and not missed them. One thing you mentioned in passing was the seat base and its role in rotation. It should be ‘slippery’ really but nearly none come like that. I’ve resorted to a temporary solution of very tough Gar bag black plastic taped over my four epic seat pads . Not too elegant but works really well. The seat pads work well to raise my torso height giving more stroke power. I think this seat height adjustability is a design thing gone missing too for us smaller paddlers. Thanks
Another of your excellent videos, super educational! It is like this, the seats of the kayak should not be like the one in the living room of our home. Thanks !!
Brett, I do agree. I own a wilderness tsunami. Personally I like the boat but the seat is pretty big. Previously I owned a Necky Looksha. I really like the performance of that boat. But it had a plastic seat that just wasn't comfortable after 2 or 3 hours of paddling. There has to be a happy medium somewhere.
Brett your observations are spot on! I am entering touring kayaking from whitewater kayaking. Why don't they put whitewater seats in touring kayaks? They are low profile and adjustable. I really liked the fact that in severe conditions you can tighten up the back band for better handling and can also maximize your power stroke. And when you don't need it, you can loosen it. Keep up the good work. Thanks
I confess...I added extra support to my seat back. It is one unit, and the back reclined more than I want, so I sculpted a piece of closed cell foam attached to the back. it gives my lower back support it needs (it is a bit messed up) but I still sit totally upright, and have to trouble with rotation. The whole seat is molded fiberglass, so no problems with it collapsing during a wet entry. I know it wouldn't work for everyone, but it is good for me.
Brett, I would be interested in your thoughts as to whether a backband allows the rotation of the core better than a regular seat back. It is definitely below the coming.
Good information, I resonate with the seat/backrest world angst. 🙄
a good seat, as by NDK (Nigel Dennis) allows bodyrotation due to a more slippery seat, low pelvis support, ... Low rear deck allows for easy rolling, surfing, stern rudders, ...combined with a sloping back support, ....
Glad I came back to this video.
Great info as usual. You have a good list of stretches for kayakers?
So could you remove the seat back of your Delta 17 and put in a foam block? Are there modifications to get the seat back out of the boat & out of the way? Thanks for the great video.
Last wet exit (at kayaking classes) did a self rescue and seat back was under my butt. Instructor said I had to get it behind me and get the spray skirt back on to "pass". I slid forward, feet at bulkhead and knees hitting the deck, grabbed the back, leaned as far forward as possible and pulled like crazy, I am sure I warped it. Of course this isn't conducive to balancing and avoiding another wet exit.
I removed the seat from my kayak, took a large piece of foam, and carved it out to fit my butt. I've also found that I don't really need a backrest. I took some foam and padded around the coming so it wouldn't bother my back when rolling or doing a static brace. For myself, the simpler, the better.
Truth is, these seats are perfect. FOR FISHING SIT ON TOP KAYAKS! Fishing kayaks are equipped with pedal drive systems or even trolling motors. Even if you re paddling, its for short time. I have a seat on my kayak and I m paddling, but after 4 hours fishing , I m paddling for 30 minutes only, rest is vertical fishing. So i need a comfortable seat. High profile seats for touring kayaks is a no go. Especially when you paddle on big waves, you need all the freedom of movement!
I took a lesson a few weeks ago in a WD Tsunami. When we were doing rescues, a couple of times as I slid into the cockpit, the seat back folded forward and I had to try and raise my butt and try to lift the seat back into place. If the seat back doesn’t spring up on its own another capsize seems all but guaranteed. Not just frustrating when you’re learning but I would think dangerous in a real situation in bumpy water. As I’m watching this there is a recommended video on how to make a custom kayak seat. I just saved that to “watch later”.