Two other interesting pieces to this puzzle worth mentioning: While John was in custody he had the signs to his property changed to "Foxcatcher Prison Farm". He was attempting to donate his home to become prison property so that he could serve his sentence at home. I guess that's what you can (almost) do when you are super wealthy, but the plan was stopped early on when neighbors got wind of it. The new prison sign was visible on the main road for quite a while. The second tidbit is that the Dupont family (allegedly) had generations of inbreeding and inter-marrying in order to keep the wealth within. Look up Duponts Devil Road Cult House, it's a haunted area featured in the movie the Village. John was not the only Dupont to suffer the effects of inherited illness.
I worked for the DuPont family about 10 years ago on one of their many properties. It is 100% true that there was a lot of inbreeding in the DuPont family. And I mean a lot. Mental illness, infertility, and many other health issues run throughout the family. Many die young by today’s standards even now. Also can confirm that Devil Road house is haunted. It’s very creepy even during the day. I grew up not to far from there.
That's interesting. To me, he appears to be an extremely high functioning autistic, Asperger's perhaps. Whatever he had, just with a peep you could tell he was not right. He has that face of someone who is affected by something, inbreeding explains a lot!
Bravo Bravo! Excellent content, amazing presentation this was something crazy. Myself born in the early 80’s and somehow never heard of these historical yet tragical events that occurred.
The combination of great wealth, power and mental illness is a very dangerous lesson we should have learned from the Roman Empire days. It is the fact that society continues to protect high value individuals to its own detriment that I believe the film version deserved a more in-depth 3-to-4-hour treatment.
Lol true, but unfortunately the most important point of learning history is ultimately to not keep repeating mistakes of the past, but of course as humans by the masses that point gets overlooked
My aunt was a house keeper in the mansion. She told many stories about the guy verbally abusing her and others that were there. Basically, he was nuts. Could it be close breading? Lots of wealthy people wanted to “keep it in the family”.
Breading? Like putting a breadcrumb coating on food? Its 'in-breeding' not 'close breading' one is schnitzel, the other is incest 😂 Lol no, his dad was from Surrey, in England and Mom from Philly (in US)
@@ValCronin My aunt worked there until the the house staff was discharged after the murder. She didn’t have too much to say other than the guy was very hard to get along with. He would request to be awakened at a certain time and when my aunt would try to follow through, he would respond with an angry rant. She went and visited him in prison with others on the staff, at one point, before all contact was cut off. My aunt lived in the area until her death a few years ago.
Agreed. He did an excellent job in explaining this story. I hope there is more content just like this for my mind to feast on. This is like junk food in the form of documentary entertainment! And I enjoy my junk food 😂
I'm from Australia so I had no idea what was coming. When he shot Dave, i almost fell off the couch. As far as true story movies go, this is easily the most surprised I have ever been... Absolutely heart breaking too.....R.I.P Dave 😭😡
This is a frightening cautionary tale of Coercive Control. Jon Du Pont controlled every aspect of those wrestlers lives as much as possible and could hold them all hostage to his bat sh*t crazy whims all the while dangling the wrestling program, their homes, their finances, and basically their lives if they didnt do what he wanted.
I feel that many people who are in positions of control have similar feelings and show signs of this same dynamic--just less severe. Bosses can rise to an inflated sense of control over their employees' lives and demand complete obedience in order to receive their wages. Jobs where the job description is 'do whatever youre told' rather than a set list of responsibilities should be a red flag for this sort of dynamic. It is more common than many would think.
And that’s why I don’t say he had mental illness John knew exactly what he was doing holding them men & their families hostage so he can have hostages & people he can bully. Smh John was an insane jealous human being. He was insane because he was loneliness & bitter ugh I hate his face.
My friend, real truth here. Got tired of the old UA-cam moniker. 30000 and growing, my friend. Still wonderful to see as I know you will reach way over a hundred thousand in a very short time. And technically speaking I am absolutely loving you taking the time to do this story, which is rarely done. Amateur wrestling was a huge part of my father's life as well as mine, throughout our lives and this really hit home because Schultz and so many people from the Lehigh Valley area where iconic to me. I wanted so desperately to grow up and attend Lehigh and win an NCAA Championship in amateur wrestling, but I chose the hockey route LOL
John was always a strange cat. My dad would tighten up his grip with me whenever we ran into John either at the T-Bird or Ewings Meat Market. My Grandfather was chief of Marple PD and had stories about John as well.
do you to the best of your estimates think your father viewed him as a genuine malicious threat or more as just a weirdo? These super rich types either tend to overcompensate by being too nice to the "common man" or just being outright AHoles
What do you think he’s making up here? If you lived in the area you would know he was close with the local police departments. Dupont had a state-of-art indoor shooting range on his property which he let the police officers use. He also owned a helicopter that he would let the police use as well. That’s one of the reasons the police waited 2 days for him to come outside, along with being aware of DuPont’s giant weapons arsenal. He was also an “honorary” member of the Police force so the local police knew him very well.
This man hired a security team, who then hired a construction crew to find hidden, tunnels and secret compartments in his house, to which he thought his staff was messing with him in his sleep. No one thought to put this man in a crazy home I mean, nobody had the balls to step up and have this man admit it. That’s sad.
This level of crazy paranoia is the same as every Trump and Alex Jones follower. They believe there are demonic lizard people wearing human skin walking among us, and that the government is trying to turn you gay or transgender with tap water. They thought the dead kids at sandy hook massacre were all paid actors, and they harassed the parents and demanded to see their dead kids bodies for proof. They thought a grandmother was running a child sex ring in a secret basement under a pizza restaurant, they went inside with an assault rifle demanded to see the non-existent basement. All kinds of bizarre mentally deranged things, some have turned violent, but there are too many of them to put in crazy homes.
I remember hearing about this story, very sad and could have possibly been avoided, mental illness is often misunderstood and sometimes used as an escape to not be held accountable for a crime commuted. With his frame of mind I wonder if he really understood what he did, either way doesn't bring the victim back. Thanks for sharing
@@DB_Cooper. Yes it is. Drug induced psychosis is one of the biggest problems that people over look. That, and combination with a mental illness that has already always been there can literally make you a murderer without knowing what you did wrong. It's very sad.
Cocaine induced psychosis is NOT an excuse for murder, if anything it should have made the case against him worse, not softened the blow from clear 1st degree down to 3rd degree. Glad the POS died alone in jail. Just goes to show that if you're rich in America, the rules don't apply the same. Anyone else, especially a person of colour would have been slapped with 1st degree and swiftly convicted....
It could only have been avoided, maybe, if one or a few things happened… if early-on in John’s life, his parents (or someone close to him or the family) were honest enough or open-minded enough to even consider therapy, counseling, psychiatry, and possible diagnoses and treatment. I don’t see how else it could’ve been avoided. Because it was never that way, John and his ‘eccentricities’ spiraled…
I met John Dupont in prison in 2006 at Mercer in PA lol. We both happened to be sitting outside the infirmary at the same time, just me n him. He tried to strike up a polite conversation. I got up, excused myself, n walked over to the smoking area. In a respectful manner tho considering he was elderly lol, I was only 19 at the time . It was only because the rumor was that he was gay. I ain't homophobic in the slightest, but u can't fraternize with the gay guys in prison , unless you're into that😂 That's surprising to me about how he did the black wrestlers tho. Considering I'm Black, he was super polite n nice seeming to me smh. Maybe he was just scared ... there was rumors floating around the system of people trying to extort him😂😂
Mercer was a soft prison, and I used to chat with everyone gay, black, whatever. I am a dorky white guy and never got messed with and I did a year and a half in prison.
The fact that the cops let this guy surrender whenever he felt like it was so disgusting. If it was me or you, they would've blown up our houses and murdered our family (pets included) to bring us down. I guess billionaires are exempt.
To think a man of such wealth and privilege. A man who could have anything that a man could buy. Died decrepit bearded and wheelchair bound at the Norristown State hospital for the criminally insane in Norristown Pennsylvania .Lesson... all the money in the world cannot free someone from the prison of there own mind and mental illness. A truly tragic story.My sympathy goes out to the Schultz family.
He should've been in an institution before all that happened. The story would've been different (and better) for eryone involved if somebody stood up and decided to take actions to address his mental health .
Bruh this shhh is crazy, they said he got rid of his black car, his black boots and his black wrestlers. As a black guy im crying over 😂. Ive met some prejudice ppl but this guy took the cake . Dam
The 30 for 30 had so much more material that the movie could’ve worked with. I enjoyed foxcatcher but it seemed like they watched one interview where DuPont was talking slowly due to reading a script and ran with that being how he was. The 30 for 30 would’ve added more to the character for the big screen.
@@djcastano1180I agree that Foxcatcher could have and should have been longer and included much more non-fictional content. And it's not like the information was hard to find.
3rd degree murder is just manslaughter, not murder. DuPont grabbed a gun, drove down to the victim's house, waited for him to appear and shot him dead. That is textbook 1st degree murder (planned and pre-meditated). He got 3rd degree murder because the reverence American society has for the rich "Second-degree murder is the opposite of first-degree murder. If you kill someone unintentionally or unplanned, it’s second-degree murder, a.k.a homicide. For example, a person could kill one during a heated argument" No heated exchange, no horseplay. Just murder
That's so fucked up. Insanity due to a massive cocaine and alcohol addiction isn't an excuse for murder. He clearly planned it out, and should have been stuck in an electric chair. He killed a man, totally ruining Daves family.... In front of multiple witnesses. How is that NOT 1st degree?? God damn, the USA "justice" system is a joke. If a black man did this, he would have had the maximum penalty applied. R.I.P Dave, as a father myself it breaks my heart that his wife and kids watched him bleed out in his driveway....
"Insanity due to a massive cocaine and alcohol addiction isn't an excuse"... it is. He was INSANE, he was OUT OF HIS MIND , obviously something was gonna happen , they should've tried to put him in an institution, they let him go on . Tragic this happened tho , also I don't think John is some kind of Saint, but still , the guy was looking for tunnels and people in the walls ... he should have been in a mental health asylum .
Your video is better than the film! Being a director/producer myself, after watching this, your narrative would have made a better film. They hinted a sexual creepiest that you don’t even mention. If I had known this story the way you tell it, I would have spent more time on his mental illness. Great video!
It was also a different time then, people didn't talk about mental health openly, it was nt in media . Especially a rich man, his behaviour was most likely put down to eccentricity.......hind sight ......so sad though. I going to read up more about it
I so remember hearing about this case before!! It's actually quite sad but extremely disturbing as well. I'll NEVER understand why people do the things that they do and what goes through their mind @ that very moment??! Off topic thank you so much for a interesting case!! I so appreciate it!! Again thank you!!
Since John never gave a motive, I think his hysteria & paranoia regarding being spied-on finally spiraled out of control; as he asked, “do you have a problem with me” before shooting Dave, he must have thought Dave was one of the “spies” around the property. Plus, considering John and the security guard were driving around, assessing storm damage, to begin with… he was likely analyzing and perceiving every little thing in the trees, the property, and then they saw Dave..
I disagree that he was too out of his mind to realize he was murdering his employee simply because he was angry at him and disliked him. It was premeditated, intentional, concealed until the moment he had to reveal his intention.
I disagree with you. John was not insane he was a smart man. He knew everything he was doing and as the wrestlers finally seen how controlling & evil & jealous he was they started to leave. And he was mad that the wrestlers respected David & went to David instead of John. John knew he was going to kill David he been envious of David for awhile the wrestlers said. John was jealous David had a wife & children which he never had.
Sure, he was wildly paranoid and schizophrenic, but he absolutely knew what he was doing when he shot Dave Schultz. He concealed the gun the entire drive until it was time to pull the trigger. He shouted an angry motive as he was firing. He fled the scene, knowing that what he did was wrong and that there would be repercussions for his action. He knew he was harming someone and that it was wrong. He should have gone to prison and gotten treatment and medication on the side, rather than going to a psychiatric hospital while being imprisoned on the side.
It wasn’t just the security company that fed into John’s paranoia. His family and wrestlers - and likely everyone else - fed into John’s wealthy entitled tone-deaf arrogance and paranoia by appeasing him at every turn. It seems like Dave’s brother was the only one who rose above the pressures of appeasement. I would imagine that the combination of mental illness, entitlement, and constant appeasement could have had an even more horrific outcome than it had.
Im sorry to say that im related (distantly) to this man. I had heard that there was a murder in my family but never learned the details, thanks for the video!
I know someone who did get help earlier. He still murdered someone. They left him on his own to self medicate. Tragically didn't take his meds. That's the state of our mental health field today. Insane people living alone and unsupervised.
There was an interview that with Kurt Angle that he was on the property couple days before this murder happened visiting with the victim and his family cuz they were close friends and Kurt was getting ready for the 96 Olympics
I randomly was thinking about the Du Pont Murder and have no idea why. I didn't even watched the movie recently and have not seen anything on the internet to trigger me to search for this (or not that I'm consciously aware of). The memory of the film just randomly popped up in my head. I'm surprised that I remembered John du Pont's name. I'm not wrestler. I'm not even American. But I watched Foxcatcher back in 2014 and remember that it was a fantastic film. I watched a documentary about crazy FLDS cult leader Warren Jeffs recently, so that might have triggered me to search this.
I remember back in the day was at camp hill prison he offered to pay to redo the gym at the prison as well as buy evey inmate there a t.v but the prison wouldnt let him do it
Maybe since he was in a generation or two back from the incest in the family! So sorry for David and his beautiful family!! People without GOD have no one to turn too!!
@@chrisbutler1668 to be fair you gotta remember du font is a master in marksman and has plenty of weapons but I agree some of it had to do with his wealth
Cops were inside that school in Texas 3 minutes after that gunman walked in. They waited 58 minutes to allow him to kill 21 people. All so they can disarm us. Wealth and power have nothing to do with it, it's about selling a narrative to facilitate a political agenda.🤷♀️
It sounds to me like Johns mom dying was too much for him to cope with alone. Since he had no friends except his mother he had noone to talk to about his greef. Then he had a drug habit and im sure he was on meth. I know several ppl that changed after highschool when they started using meth. One friend swore up and down that there were ppl living in the walls of his house. We all grew up in what most ppl would call large homes. He still lived at his moms very big house. His mom wouldnt ever come in the part of the house he lived in and his girlfriend lived with him. He used to beat her up over stuff he really believed was happening. The most bazaar stuff you can imagine. One example to help u understand how crazy he got on meth was he literally beat his girlfriend so bad one night that she soiled herself. Whn i asked him about it during a visitation at the county jail he said he had heard his girl making sounds like she was having sex thru the PA system in his house. She was in the gameroom he said having anal sex with some guy on the pool table that lives in the walls of his large home. The house being the size it was made it impossible to catch the man. He would enter thru a false paneling that could be accessed via his closet. No matter what i said or how i tried to explain to him that altho it is possible its very unlikely that a man thats his girlfriends sexual partner is living inside the walls in his home he was past comprehending rational thought. Sad what meth did to him. And this is one of at least five ppl i know that if they use meth they become very paranoid and very bazaar and even scary. Tragic what happened to David in this story. John too. Childhood shapes the adults we become. And even the large homes and upper middle class families i grew up with theres really no way we can understand what its like to grow up in a place as an only child with the money that his family has. Everyone was literally playing along in his fantasy of being a wrestler instead of giving it to him raw even if he didnt want to hear it that he wasnt a wrestler and shouldnt micro manage the team because of the obvious reasons, of everyone needing his money if not him. And they all tried to play along until it just become too much to deal with. David wanted to have his children grow up in one place. Make friends and have a life he and mark didnt have with them never staying in one place for long as children. So he tried and tried to reach john but john had far more issues than david knew or even wanted to believe were real. And altho it cost him his life his children and wife did sue the Du Pont family and was awarded 35 million dollars. So theyre good eventhough hes not a part of their lives anymore. Plenty of ppl lose their dads and dont receive anything to help with their lives post his passing. So they were at least awarded that money. Plenty of money if managed correctly. Some ppl act very different whn they do meth. Trust me if u dont already know.
He literally almost got away with murder. Since when do cops "negotiate" on the phone for days with a murder suspect they have dead to rights? Sickening.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 Almost got away? Cops had him surrounded. They opted to talk rather than risk a shoot out as they knew he had machine guns, all they needed to do in the end was shut the heating off and wait. He was arrested and no one else was killed or injured so they played it right.
Remember that Dupont's estate was worth about $200M when he died and he willed 80% of that to wrestler Valentin Yordanov. His family challenged the will based on mental competence but Yordanov prevailed. So do not expect Yordanov to say anything critical of Dupont. I'm guessing this was a homosexual obsession and was one of the reasons Dupont initially had issues with Dave Schultz because he was jealous of Dave's friendship with Yordanov. What is despicable about this story is that people supported John after the murder because they needed his financial help. I guess it really paid off for Valentin Yordanov.
play at 1.25 speed for a normal voice. great video nonetheless 👍
Lol your right! Thank you 😂
Holy shit night and day difference! It’s like 480i vs 4k lol
Much better!
He's drunk
lmaoo 😂 yoo i was starting to have an anxiety attack until i read your comment halfway through the video 😂😂
Im a wrestler and this still effects the wrestling community to this day so tragic rip Dave Shultz
How so?
@@psywalker7973 because of the impact Dave Schultz had on wrestling and his tragic death
I'm sure!!
Get over like they said about slavery
@@bigp5340what the fuck are you talking about lol
Incredibly sad. Especially for David's wife, daughter and son.
Think about Mark. He's the one that started the relationship with Dupont. It's nobody's fault but Duponts, but survivors guilt is a real thing.
difference between eccentric/insane. $5,000,000.00
Rich people are evil poor people are crazy 💯
Due to inflation that number is $8,000,000 million now😂
Two other interesting pieces to this puzzle worth mentioning:
While John was in custody he had the signs to his property changed to "Foxcatcher Prison Farm". He was attempting to donate his home to become prison property so that he could serve his sentence at home. I guess that's what you can (almost) do when you are super wealthy, but the plan was stopped early on when neighbors got wind of it. The new prison sign was visible on the main road for quite a while.
The second tidbit is that the Dupont family (allegedly) had generations of inbreeding and inter-marrying in order to keep the wealth within. Look up Duponts Devil Road Cult House, it's a haunted area featured in the movie the Village. John was not the only Dupont to suffer the effects of inherited illness.
Yeah, when your neighbors are all as rich as you are they have the money to fight against your plans.
A few years back, a DuPont was facing seriously messed up child abuse charges. This was probably 6/7 years back when I was reading about it.
I worked for the DuPont family about 10 years ago on one of their many properties. It is 100% true that there was a lot of inbreeding in the DuPont family. And I mean a lot. Mental illness, infertility, and many other health issues run throughout the family. Many die young by today’s standards even now.
Also can confirm that Devil Road house is haunted. It’s very creepy even during the day. I grew up not to far from there.
That's interesting. To me, he appears to be an extremely high functioning autistic, Asperger's perhaps. Whatever he had, just with a peep you could tell he was not right. He has that face of someone who is affected by something, inbreeding explains a lot!
Now it makes sense why he looks like he popped out of a 14th century portrait...
Bravo Bravo!
Excellent content, amazing presentation this was something crazy. Myself born in the early 80’s and somehow never heard of these historical yet tragical events that occurred.
The combination of great wealth, power and mental illness is a very dangerous lesson we should have learned from the Roman Empire days. It is the fact that society continues to protect high value individuals to its own detriment that I believe the film version deserved a more in-depth 3-to-4-hour treatment.
Good movie, but would have made a great American Crime miniseries.
Lol true, but unfortunately the most important point of learning history is ultimately to not keep repeating mistakes of the past, but of course as humans by the masses that point gets overlooked
My aunt was a house keeper in the mansion. She told many stories about the guy verbally abusing her and others that were there. Basically, he was nuts. Could it be close breading? Lots of wealthy people wanted to “keep it in the family”.
Breading? Like putting a breadcrumb coating on food?
Its 'in-breeding' not 'close breading' one is schnitzel, the other is incest 😂
Lol no, his dad was from Surrey, in England and Mom from Philly (in US)
@@supremebuffalo6322 Sorry for the grammatical error!
Please share any of the stories she shared with you!
@@ValCronin My aunt worked there until the the house staff was discharged after the murder. She didn’t have too much to say other than the guy was very hard to get along with. He would request to be awakened at a certain time and when my aunt would try to follow through, he would respond with an angry rant. She went and visited him in prison with others on the staff, at one point, before all contact was cut off. My aunt lived in the area until her death a few years ago.
@@Modeltnickwhy would they go to meet him after all of that?
Thank you for the video!
Your explanation of this case is clear and understandable.
Agreed. He did an excellent job in explaining this story. I hope there is more content just like this for my mind to feast on. This is like junk food in the form of documentary entertainment! And I enjoy my junk food 😂
This really breaks my heart ,what a amazing kind man to teach people wrestling.I saw the movie 2014 film Foxcatcher,I cried for Dave Schultz.
I'm from Australia so I had no idea what was coming. When he shot Dave, i almost fell off the couch. As far as true story movies go, this is easily the most surprised I have ever been... Absolutely heart breaking too.....R.I.P Dave 😭😡
This is a frightening cautionary tale of Coercive Control. Jon Du Pont controlled every aspect of those wrestlers lives as much as possible and could hold them all hostage to his bat sh*t crazy whims all the while dangling the wrestling program, their homes, their finances, and basically their lives if they didnt do what he wanted.
I feel that many people who are in positions of control have similar feelings and show signs of this same dynamic--just less severe. Bosses can rise to an inflated sense of control over their employees' lives and demand complete obedience in order to receive their wages. Jobs where the job description is 'do whatever youre told' rather than a set list of responsibilities should be a red flag for this sort of dynamic. It is more common than many would think.
you mean he was a narcissist. he went crazy becuz he was losing control of his baby
And that’s why I don’t say he had mental illness John knew exactly what he was doing holding them men & their families hostage so he can have hostages & people he can bully. Smh John was an insane jealous human being. He was insane because he was loneliness & bitter ugh I hate his face.
Money talks
Politicians do it all the time and people still worship them as long as it's their side of the coin.
My friend, real truth here. Got tired of the old UA-cam moniker. 30000 and growing, my friend. Still wonderful to see as I know you will reach way over a hundred thousand in a very short time. And technically speaking I am absolutely loving you taking the time to do this story, which is rarely done. Amateur wrestling was a huge part of my father's life as well as mine, throughout our lives and this really hit home because Schultz and so many people from the Lehigh Valley area where iconic to me. I wanted so desperately to grow up and attend Lehigh and win an NCAA Championship in amateur wrestling, but I chose the hockey route LOL
Thank you!
Why was this a big surprise. Du Pont was a freak of the highest order.
You have a perfect narrating voice. Awesome channel. Thanks!!!
This is just my opinion and in no way meant as an insult, but the cadence reminds me of Ray Liotta in Goodfellas a little 👍
John was always a strange cat. My dad would tighten up his grip with me whenever we ran into John either at the T-Bird or Ewings Meat Market. My Grandfather was chief of Marple PD and had stories about John as well.
do you to the best of your estimates think your father viewed him as a genuine malicious threat or more as just a weirdo? These super rich types either tend to overcompensate by being too nice to the "common man" or just being outright AHoles
Pedophiles that’s why
What do you think he’s making up here? If you lived in the area you would know he was close with the local police departments. Dupont had a state-of-art indoor shooting range on his property which he let the police officers use. He also owned a helicopter that he would let the police use as well. That’s one of the reasons the police waited 2 days for him to come outside, along with being aware of DuPont’s giant weapons arsenal. He was also an “honorary” member of the Police force so the local police knew him very well.
The DuPont family is a dark one. One of them recently had some serious CP convictions.
@@Erosgates CP?
This man hired a security team, who then hired a construction crew to find hidden, tunnels and secret compartments in his house, to which he thought his staff was messing with him in his sleep. No one thought to put this man in a crazy home I mean, nobody had the balls to step up and have this man admit it. That’s sad.
Of course no one stood up to him, they were all cashing his checks
Kinda like Biden right
This level of crazy paranoia is the same as every Trump and Alex Jones follower. They believe there are demonic lizard people wearing human skin walking among us, and that the government is trying to turn you gay or transgender with tap water. They thought the dead kids at sandy hook massacre were all paid actors, and they harassed the parents and demanded to see their dead kids bodies for proof. They thought a grandmother was running a child sex ring in a secret basement under a pizza restaurant, they went inside with an assault rifle demanded to see the non-existent basement. All kinds of bizarre mentally deranged things, some have turned violent, but there are too many of them to put in crazy homes.
Great channel,Just found it on UA-cam.😍👍
Thanks! ❤️
I remember hearing about this story, very sad and could have possibly been avoided, mental illness is often misunderstood and sometimes used as an escape to not be held accountable for a crime commuted. With his frame of mind I wonder if he really understood what he did, either way doesn't bring the victim back. Thanks for sharing
psychosis from stimulant benders is a legitimate mental break.
@@DB_Cooper. Yes it is. Drug induced psychosis is one of the biggest problems that people over look. That, and combination with a mental illness that has already always been there can literally make you a murderer without knowing what you did wrong. It's very sad.
Cocaine offers mental illness.
Cocaine induced psychosis is NOT an excuse for murder, if anything it should have made the case against him worse, not softened the blow from clear 1st degree down to 3rd degree. Glad the POS died alone in jail. Just goes to show that if you're rich in America, the rules don't apply the same. Anyone else, especially a person of colour would have been slapped with 1st degree and swiftly convicted....
It could only have been avoided, maybe, if one or a few things happened… if early-on in John’s life, his parents (or someone close to him or the family) were honest enough or open-minded enough to even consider therapy, counseling, psychiatry, and possible diagnoses and treatment. I don’t see how else it could’ve been avoided. Because it was never that way, John and his ‘eccentricities’ spiraled…
Steve Carrell did a hell of a performance portraying DuPont in Foxcatcher.
Carrell is one hell of a performer. He reminds me of a less manic Robin Williams(RIP).
I met John Dupont in prison in 2006 at Mercer in PA lol. We both happened to be sitting outside the infirmary at the same time, just me n him. He tried to strike up a polite conversation. I got up, excused myself, n walked over to the smoking area. In a respectful manner tho considering he was elderly lol, I was only 19 at the time . It was only because the rumor was that he was gay. I ain't homophobic in the slightest, but u can't fraternize with the gay guys in prison , unless you're into that😂 That's surprising to me about how he did the black wrestlers tho. Considering I'm Black, he was super polite n nice seeming to me smh. Maybe he was just scared ... there was rumors floating around the system of people trying to extort him😂😂
That’s a pretty interesting story . Obviously he died in prison but I wonder how he fared during his time..
@Jake Harmon exactly, the guy wasn’t gay or racist, he had serious mental health issues and addiction.
Mercer was a soft prison, and I used to chat with everyone gay, black, whatever. I am a dorky white guy and never got messed with and I did a year and a half in prison.
A friend of mine named Jeremy Campbell was in Mercer around 2006. He robbed 2 banks with a note to fund his heroin habit.
Weirddddd brag
The fact that the cops let this guy surrender whenever he felt like it was so disgusting. If it was me or you, they would've blown up our houses and murdered our family (pets included) to bring us down. I guess billionaires are exempt.
Glad I found your channel! I have never heard this story before. :)
He’s quite Durst ish…..bet they’d have got along pretty well!
Thank you, really well structured, narrated and edited. A new one for me 👍🏼
Durst as in Fred Durst of the Band Limp Bizkit? 😆
To think a man of such wealth and privilege. A man who could have anything that a man could buy. Died decrepit bearded and wheelchair bound at the Norristown State hospital for the criminally insane in Norristown Pennsylvania .Lesson... all the money in the world cannot free someone from the prison of there own mind and mental illness. A truly tragic story.My sympathy goes out to the Schultz family.
He should've been in an institution before all that happened. The story would've been different (and better) for eryone involved if somebody stood up and decided to take actions to address his mental health .
Bruh this shhh is crazy, they said he got rid of his black car, his black boots and his black wrestlers. As a black guy im crying over 😂. Ive met some prejudice ppl but this guy took the cake . Dam
The 30 for 30 about this is really good
Yeah that’s a surprisingly good series.
Episode is called The Prince of Pennsylvania. Impossible to find online unfortunately
The 30 for 30 had so much more material that the movie could’ve worked with. I enjoyed foxcatcher but it seemed like they watched one interview where DuPont was talking slowly due to reading a script and ran with that being how he was. The 30 for 30 would’ve added more to the character for the big screen.
@@djcastano1180I agree that Foxcatcher could have and should have been longer and included much more non-fictional content. And it's not like the information was hard to find.
This Guy drove Military Tanks down the streets of his local town. He was more than eccentric, he was delusional 😢
He was just trying to track down the Disney characters talking to him through the walls. Nothing unusual there.
It's hard to imagine what kind of MAN, could rob that precious family of their Father. Sick, remorseless Mo Fo.
He was a psychopathic narcissist
He was WHACKED out on Scopolamine
Like every man put in jail over fascist nonsense?
@@flightofthebumblebee9529never heard that but looked that shit up holy crap no joke. He was on that stuff? Makes perfect sense
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 What about the cocaine? No side-effects?
The documentary about this is riveting
3rd degree murder is just manslaughter, not murder. DuPont grabbed a gun, drove down to the victim's house, waited for him to appear and shot him dead. That is textbook 1st degree murder (planned and pre-meditated). He got 3rd degree murder because the reverence American society has for the rich
"Second-degree murder is the opposite of first-degree murder. If you kill someone unintentionally or unplanned, it’s second-degree murder, a.k.a homicide. For example, a person could kill one during a heated argument"
No heated exchange, no horseplay. Just murder
That's so fucked up. Insanity due to a massive cocaine and alcohol addiction isn't an excuse for murder. He clearly planned it out, and should have been stuck in an electric chair. He killed a man, totally ruining Daves family.... In front of multiple witnesses. How is that NOT 1st degree?? God damn, the USA "justice" system is a joke. If a black man did this, he would have had the maximum penalty applied.
R.I.P Dave, as a father myself it breaks my heart that his wife and kids watched him bleed out in his driveway....
Money talks, so stupid just how things are unfortunately
"Insanity due to a massive cocaine and alcohol addiction isn't an excuse"... it is. He was INSANE, he was OUT OF HIS MIND , obviously something was gonna happen , they should've tried to put him in an institution, they let him go on . Tragic this happened tho , also I don't think John is some kind of Saint, but still , the guy was looking for tunnels and people in the walls ... he should have been in a mental health asylum .
You never heard of OJ? It's money not race
It’s not matter of “excuse” lol
"questionable nutrition decisions" 🤣🤣🤣
Your video is better than the film! Being a director/producer myself, after watching this, your narrative would have made a better film. They hinted a sexual creepiest that you don’t even mention. If I had known this story the way you tell it, I would have spent more time on his mental illness. Great video!
Thank you!
May be the rich DuPont was inbread causes his madness
Eat the rich or get eaten by the rich. Unfortunately a legend got eaten by an ultra rich man-child.
It was also a different time then, people didn't talk about mental health openly, it was nt in media . Especially a rich man, his behaviour was most likely put down to eccentricity.......hind sight ......so sad though. I going to read up more about it
Dope channel 💯
Thank you
I love the into music 🎶
I so remember hearing about this case before!! It's actually quite sad but extremely disturbing as well. I'll NEVER understand why people do the things that they do and what goes through their mind @ that very moment??! Off topic thank you so much for a interesting case!! I so appreciate it!! Again thank you!!
Thank you for watching!
@@MirrorMindYT You are so, so very welcome 💖💖💖💖
If you are after more, it was made into a movie with Channing Tatum and Steve Carell as John Du Pont. Great movie and worth a watch.
@@vampirequeen953 DuPont was a cold head. super paranoid
Since John never gave a motive, I think his hysteria & paranoia regarding being spied-on finally spiraled out of control; as he asked, “do you have a problem with me” before shooting Dave, he must have thought Dave was one of the “spies” around the property. Plus, considering John and the security guard were driving around, assessing storm damage, to begin with… he was likely analyzing and perceiving every little thing in the trees, the property, and then they saw Dave..
I disagree that he was too out of his mind to realize he was murdering his employee simply because he was angry at him and disliked him. It was premeditated, intentional, concealed until the moment he had to reveal his intention.
I disagree with you. John was not insane he was a smart man. He knew everything he was doing and as the wrestlers finally seen how controlling & evil & jealous he was they started to leave. And he was mad that the wrestlers respected David & went to David instead of John. John knew he was going to kill David he been envious of David for awhile the wrestlers said. John was jealous David had a wife & children which he never had.
Maybe accelerate your voice a tiny bit? Great content though man.
I could read this information on Wikipedia in less than four minutes.
Sure, he was wildly paranoid and schizophrenic, but he absolutely knew what he was doing when he shot Dave Schultz. He concealed the gun the entire drive until it was time to pull the trigger. He shouted an angry motive as he was firing. He fled the scene, knowing that what he did was wrong and that there would be repercussions for his action. He knew he was harming someone and that it was wrong. He should have gone to prison and gotten treatment and medication on the side, rather than going to a psychiatric hospital while being imprisoned on the side.
That paranoia was all the cocaine he was doing .
100%.
Scopolamine too I just heard
You guys apparently don’t know what mental illness is? Lol ok.
John E. duPont was a disgrace and embarrassment to the duPont family.
I think this channel should make a patreon account
Hey sorry for the late response. We do have a patreon the link is in the description. Thank you for the kind words and watching.
😱 shockingly interesting sad story, may David rest in peace, 🙏 great video thanks 🖤
The movie Foxcatcher with Steve Carell and Mark Ruffalo is pretty good. I just saw it. Someone recommended that movie to me.
It wasn’t just the security company that fed into John’s paranoia. His family and wrestlers - and likely everyone else - fed into John’s wealthy entitled tone-deaf arrogance and paranoia by appeasing him at every turn. It seems like Dave’s brother was the only one who rose above the pressures of appeasement. I would imagine that the combination of mental illness, entitlement, and constant appeasement could have had an even more horrific outcome than it had.
I was locked up with du pont he was trying to buy the whole jail 📺
Holy shit, you made this video 10 times better lol
This guy sounds like John Dupont 😂😂
Im sorry to say that im related (distantly) to this man. I had heard that there was a murder in my family but never learned the details, thanks for the video!
Some people have "Stranger Danger" written all over their face. Mommy issues seem to be a common thread in crazy also.💕✌️
Riiiight! Like Daddy issues aren't a common thread for abusers/murderers....
I know someone who did get help earlier. He still murdered someone. They left him on his own to self medicate. Tragically didn't take his meds. That's the state of our mental health field today. Insane people living alone and unsupervised.
The vast majority of the mentally ill aren't dangerous.
Widespread institutionalization hurt more people than it helped.
Thank Reagan for that
The intro music sounds like a home diy channel
Just got finished watching the movie. Wow...Just Wow...😢😢
this guy has the voice for print.
Du Pont didn't drive off after 1 shot. His security ran away and Shultz was shot 3 times.
15:54
Narrator says Dupont fired three shots.
I'm here after watching the movie..
His cocaine habit was contributing to his paranoia
Dundee Mifflin brought me here.
There was an interview that with Kurt Angle that he was on the property couple days before this murder happened visiting with the victim and his family cuz they were close friends and Kurt was getting ready for the 96 Olympics
Look up Mark Shultz and his UFC 9 fight. He was a F’n beast.
Not the colour black 💀💀
His personality reminds me of steven sea-gull.
Geez. When poor people act like that, they are crazy.
When rich people act that way, they are ECCENTRIC.
The movie was good I watched it, before I even knew it was based on a real story Channing Tatum played in it.
The victims family has said that it's inaccurate and asked that people not watch it. Just fyi
I randomly was thinking about the Du Pont Murder and have no idea why. I didn't even watched the movie recently and have not seen anything on the internet to trigger me to search for this (or not that I'm consciously aware of). The memory of the film just randomly popped up in my head. I'm surprised that I remembered John du Pont's name. I'm not wrestler. I'm not even American. But I watched Foxcatcher back in 2014 and remember that it was a fantastic film. I watched a documentary about crazy FLDS cult leader Warren Jeffs recently, so that might have triggered me to search this.
Not likely 😮😮
I remember back in the day was at camp hill prison he offered to pay to redo the gym at the prison as well as buy evey inmate there a t.v but the prison wouldnt let him do it
He left a impact alright
The drugs were probably the cause of his insanity to begin with.
Maybe since he was in a generation or two back from the incest in the family! So sorry for David and his beautiful family!! People without GOD have no one to turn too!!
Why am i barely finding out about this, holy cow
After this story, search out George Tonks, you can find him describe his relationship with John.
Great documentary...but wrestling is a sport not a game
Really though okay at 1.25 speed the dude sounds normal and not annoying
If you think he earned them degrees not only are you not american.......You dont see money and power which shows who you are
I saw the movie about this story quite some time ago.
Excellent movie about this called Foxcatcher. Steve Carell plays John du Pont. I believe he received an academy award nomination.
Angle just said there were 4’ tall tunnels from the civil war
1.25x speed to sound like a normal conversation
Why is his voice so slow? On 1.25 it sounds normal 😂
21:28 that picture explains what happened
Was it just dupont in his house?if so the standoff should not have lasted more than 10min.
The police said since no one else was in immediate danger, there wasn't a need to "rush in".
Shows how much legal rope a massive fortune gets you...
@@chrisbutler1668 to be fair you gotta remember du font is a master in marksman and has plenty of weapons but I agree some of it had to do with his wealth
Cops were inside that school in Texas 3 minutes after that gunman walked in. They waited 58 minutes to allow him to kill 21 people. All so they can disarm us.
Wealth and power have nothing to do with it, it's about selling a narrative to facilitate a political agenda.🤷♀️
Part of the issue was that he was in a bomb shelter (built into the house) and heavily armed so it would have been dangerous to go in.
I watched this on 1.25x speed. So much better.
I feel like they could have given Steve Carell a better nose prosthetic to look more like John Du Pont
doing cocaine for three plus days will put people in the woods. checks out. ✅
It sounds to me like Johns mom dying was too much for him to cope with alone. Since he had no friends except his mother he had noone to talk to about his greef. Then he had a drug habit and im sure he was on meth. I know several ppl that changed after highschool when they started using meth. One friend swore up and down that there were ppl living in the walls of his house. We all grew up in what most ppl would call large homes. He still lived at his moms very big house. His mom wouldnt ever come in the part of the house he lived in and his girlfriend lived with him. He used to beat her up over stuff he really believed was happening. The most bazaar stuff you can imagine. One example to help u understand how crazy he got on meth was he literally beat his girlfriend so bad one night that she soiled herself. Whn i asked him about it during a visitation at the county jail he said he had heard his girl making sounds like she was having sex thru the PA system in his house. She was in the gameroom he said having anal sex with some guy on the pool table that lives in the walls of his large home. The house being the size it was made it impossible to catch the man. He would enter thru a false paneling that could be accessed via his closet. No matter what i said or how i tried to explain to him that altho it is possible its very unlikely that a man thats his girlfriends sexual partner is living inside the walls in his home he was past comprehending rational thought. Sad what meth did to him. And this is one of at least five ppl i know that if they use meth they become very paranoid and very bazaar and even scary. Tragic what happened to David in this story. John too. Childhood shapes the adults we become. And even the large homes and upper middle class families i grew up with theres really no way we can understand what its like to grow up in a place as an only child with the money that his family has. Everyone was literally playing along in his fantasy of being a wrestler instead of giving it to him raw even if he didnt want to hear it that he wasnt a wrestler and shouldnt micro manage the team because of the obvious reasons, of everyone needing his money if not him. And they all tried to play along until it just become too much to deal with. David wanted to have his children grow up in one place. Make friends and have a life he and mark didnt have with them never staying in one place for long as children. So he tried and tried to reach john but john had far more issues than david knew or even wanted to believe were real. And altho it cost him his life his children and wife did sue the Du Pont family and was awarded 35 million dollars. So theyre good eventhough hes not a part of their lives anymore. Plenty of ppl lose their dads and dont receive anything to help with their lives post his passing. So they were at least awarded that money. Plenty of money if managed correctly. Some ppl act very different whn they do meth. Trust me if u dont already know.
If this was to happen today, he would have walked with nothing but possibly a fine.
Foxcatcher was a great film.
Dupont seemed weird, but due to his family money he got away with it for a long time.
He literally almost got away with murder. Since when do cops "negotiate" on the phone for days with a murder suspect they have dead to rights? Sickening.
The victims family has said that Fox catcher wasn't accurate and has asked people to not watch it. Just fyi
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 Almost got away? Cops had him surrounded. They opted to talk rather than risk a shoot out as they knew he had machine guns, all they needed to do in the end was shut the heating off and wait. He was arrested and no one else was killed or injured so they played it right.
Es una historia increíble
The ultimate frustrated jock.....among other things.
Good content. You don’t need to exaggerate pronunciation of words, tho. Great narrating voice without doing that, IMO. 👍🏽
He took the play speed off
Did you really slow down the audio to get over 20 minutes?
Remember that Dupont's estate was worth about $200M when he died and he willed 80% of that to wrestler Valentin Yordanov. His family challenged the will based on mental competence but Yordanov prevailed. So do not expect Yordanov to say anything critical of Dupont.
I'm guessing this was a homosexual obsession and was one of the reasons Dupont initially had issues with Dave Schultz because he was jealous of Dave's friendship with Yordanov.
What is despicable about this story is that people supported John after the murder because they needed his financial help. I guess it really paid off for Valentin Yordanov.
Sounds like paranoid schizophrenic so sad