@@Ranixo286 I have never heard of the Halicarnassus = Ultimecia theory. Huh.... I guest they both rule over a floating castle outside of time and space and have big pointy headwear. LOL! But yeah, I agree. In my head canon, Rinoa is Ultimecia. It just gives the story so much more weight in meaning in my opinion.
While Xerxes was overseeing the battle from his throne, which was at the foot of Mount Aigaleo, he observed the incident and he and the others who were present thought that Artemisia had attacked and sunk a Greek ship. One of the men who was next to Xerxes said to him: "Master, see Artemisia, how well she is fighting, and how she sank even now a ship of the enemy" and Xerxes then responded: "My men have become women; and my women, men." None of the crew of the Calyndian ship survived to be able to accuse her otherwise.[38] According to Polyaenus, when Xerxes saw her sink the ship, he said: "O Zeus, surely you have formed women out of man's materials, and men out of woman's.
Haven't gotten into final fantasy yet, but I watched this whole video and wasn't bored. I figured that's a great analytical data point for you :) Thanks a whole bunch for sharing. I like deep dives into character lore possibilities. This was a good video, and you covered a lot of ground in ten minutes!
Thanks for sharing. That is a good data point. Glad I could make it a little interesting! If you every play I Final Fantasy game, I recommend the older ones with the turn based gameplay. Final Fantasy X is a great entry point and the last of the turn based games. I really liked eight (obviously) and everyone likes seven. But six is my absolute favorite in the series.
@@KumaPlays haha six is my best friend's favorite so I'm gonna try that one on GBA. I also have picked up heroes of light and the crystal Chronicles ones if I'm remembering right.
@@tokhote I wish it was easier to play ALL the games. I've been really enjoying games I can check in and out of for short spurts, but I feel like more story-based games and RBGs take more attention, and I need to be ready to commit and play all the way through. I'll keep a lookout for 8 too!
What about the sorceress in Centra Ruins. There's a statue of Odin holding her dying in his arms. Either that's a different knight/sorceress pair, or maybe Odin was zephyr?
I thought rinoa became a sorceress first after the 2nd battle with Edea?.. then had Adel power after that battle which led her the only active sorceress of that time.
You are totally correct. Rinoa unknowingly gets powers from Edea, but neither of them were aware of that happening. However, that is what allowed Ultimecia to possess Rinoa, so it is relevant to the story. I was trying to keep the video from getting too long. So since she wasn't really aware of receiving Edea's power, I chose to say that her true powers were awakened after the fight with Adel. Great catch!
@@KumaPlays you know I never understood that part of the story with edea not knowing she had passed her powers to rinoa. If I remember right they said she did so because she thought she was going to die... so did she just not know because she was using Para magic due to having the party gf? But that still won't explain her access to her limit break. I wish they would explain that better lol
@@juststeve2579I think that it wasn’t Edea herself the one that transferred her power to Rinoa, but rather Ultimecia in Edea’s body, Ultimecia thought that Edea was gonna die, and if that happened, then she couldn’t possess anyone else at Ellone’s era but Adel, but Adel was imprisoned at the time, so no possession was ever gonna be possible anymore because no one else would have freed Adel out of free will with Ellone out there, so Ultimecia went with an emergency plan to possess someone from the party to gain access to Adel, and Rinoa was surely the most fit, and in order to possess Rinoa she needed to inherit Edea’s power, so Ultimecia did the thing and transferred Edea’s power to Rinoa. (Power which is later confirmed that is partially Ultimecia’s own power from her own future self, which may explain why Edea was so easy to possess at first, and why Edea still has access to the limit after the transfer, maybe when Ultimecia transferred Edea’s power to Rinoa, she only transferred her own Ultimecia’s future self power that was within Edea, thus leaving Edea with her original (weaker) power that still gives her access to the limit, but leaves her almost powerless and thus useless to possess against Adel and Rinoa)
Hyne was the ultimate villian because you never meet him but his influence especially getting both parts of his "body" during time compression is wild.
The moment you enter disc 4, till taking down Ultimecia, just feels like a final Exam. Like everything about the game is being thrown back at you. Ultimecia dictates which three you will start with. You get junctioned magic blown away at random. You can't revive anyone if they get absorbed into time. If you take too long on the final form, Ultimecia will cast Apocalypse(which I have never seen. It fascinates me how the plot hides Ultimecia away, but from replaying it, you can see she was there the whole time through Edea, then Rinoa.
How about at the end of the Timber broadcast if you look at the screen you can see red letters forming phrases assumed to be from Adel in space which is also why the tower was taken offline or how Ultimecia is Rinoa from a not so bright future timeline based off the floating castle being at the promised spot and a few other things. So much cool stuff in the background in ff8
Hyne should have set an alarm clock. He was crafty enough to make all humanity, but not so bright as to give himself a reminder to check on the kiddos.
Sorry my question, but after Edea is defetead didnt she pass her powers to Rinoa? Esthar tried the lockdown Rinoa just like they made with Adel (to stop the infinite circle of sorceress passing they powers to others). Them Adel drain Rinoa's power to fight (under Ultimecia's control i guess) and when she is defetead Ellone send Ultimecia's mind to her future.
You are correct that is the technical order of inheritance / possession. But considering how much ultimacia jumps bodies in that section of the game I understand why they just simplified it to Rinoa's final possession at Lunatic Pandora.
Im gonna go out of my way and say that Adel had slightly more raw power than Ultimecia, but Ulty is just more creative. Adel is more concerned with destructive non elemental effects and Ulty has more of a storybook style. When you fight her she isnt capable of using Ultima or Meteor unless she summons a helix and I kind of like that. And Griever is as powerful as he is thanks to Squalls imagination. She IS strong enough to resume time compression at the end of the game but only after merging with Griever and using his pieces as ammo for the spell. I say all of this bc Edea should technically be well above Adel, due to her receiving multiple lineages but she is functionally the weakest. That doesn't make sense unless you factor in the power weaking with each transfer. It also keeps Ulty from suddenly becoming powerful enough to cast TC from her own time after the Sorceress power stacks after enough time loops.
I could see Hyne being the emperor from FF2, i didn't care for 2 as much cause of the mechanics, but i did enjoy the story, and i could get into a tie in of the 2 stories
@@robertoquintero5200 Rofl no? Dr Odine created the junction machine Ellone, by studying Ellone's powers. Ultimecia uses the junction machine in the future to send her consciousness back.
It is easy to miss this in the story. Dr. Odine created a piece of tech called Junction Machine Ellone. It was based on Ellone's ability to send a person's consciousness back in time. It had been perfected by the distant future era of Ultimecia.
I always interpreted the final battle as Artemecia gaining knowledge and power... And realizing with this enlightenment *she was completely screwed* She would lose here. She always loses here. And then she would go around and around forever. Her attainment of godhood had sent her to a Jojo Villain tier fate. I think that weird dialogue "reflect on your childhood..." was because she had a feeble plan to try and free herself. If Squall was bought along to where Artemecia encountered Edea maybe Squall would find a way to put her down before she reached Edea and damned herself for eternity. But neither Squall or Edea can grasp this and Artimecia does what she has done over and over. And will always do.
Are you trying to suggest the Hein from FF3 is the same as the one from FF8? These games reuse names all the time without it being the same character. Just look at Cid.
Valid point. And it is totally possible that FFIII's Hein had to do the same skin trick that FFVIII's Hyne pulled. they could be different characters. But I like to think that since Hyne goes missing after ditching his skin in FFVIII, that his skeletal body fled to the world of FFIII. It's my head canon at least.
From the looks of it and how ugly the sorceresses were during time compression after defeating Adel, the powers have the potential of warping your appearance.
![The Complete Unabridged Timeline of Final Fantasy VIII [The Legend of Hyne]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/beThSIO6dWU/mqdefault.jpg)
Couldn't help adding Halicarnassus. Everything about her screams that she belongs in FFVIII. What do you think?
Some people have the theory that Halicarnassus is Ultamecia...but I'd rather her be Rinoa over Halicarnassus though honestly.
@@Ranixo286 I have never heard of the Halicarnassus = Ultimecia theory. Huh.... I guest they both rule over a floating castle outside of time and space and have big pointy headwear. LOL!
But yeah, I agree. In my head canon, Rinoa is Ultimecia. It just gives the story so much more weight in meaning in my opinion.
While Xerxes was overseeing the battle from his throne, which was at the foot of Mount Aigaleo, he observed the incident and he and the others who were present thought that Artemisia had attacked and sunk a Greek ship. One of the men who was next to Xerxes said to him: "Master, see Artemisia, how well she is fighting, and how she sank even now a ship of the enemy" and Xerxes then responded: "My men have become women; and my women, men." None of the crew of the Calyndian ship survived to be able to accuse her otherwise.[38] According to Polyaenus, when Xerxes saw her sink the ship, he said: "O Zeus, surely you have formed women out of man's materials, and men out of woman's.
@@Ranixo286 Unfortunately, Kitase debunked the Rinoa = Ultimecia theory
Halicarnassus was a man in FF5. They genderswaped him for FF14. Also, umbral and astral eras are also not connected to anything in other games.
Haven't gotten into final fantasy yet, but I watched this whole video and wasn't bored. I figured that's a great analytical data point for you :) Thanks a whole bunch for sharing. I like deep dives into character lore possibilities. This was a good video, and you covered a lot of ground in ten minutes!
Thanks for sharing. That is a good data point. Glad I could make it a little interesting!
If you every play I Final Fantasy game, I recommend the older ones with the turn based gameplay. Final Fantasy X is a great entry point and the last of the turn based games. I really liked eight (obviously) and everyone likes seven. But six is my absolute favorite in the series.
@@KumaPlays haha six is my best friend's favorite so I'm gonna try that one on GBA. I also have picked up heroes of light and the crystal Chronicles ones if I'm remembering right.
@@readyforclarity 8 is so good tho 😭
@@tokhote I wish it was easier to play ALL the games. I've been really enjoying games I can check in and out of for short spurts, but I feel like more story-based games and RBGs take more attention, and I need to be ready to commit and play all the way through. I'll keep a lookout for 8 too!
What about the sorceress in Centra Ruins. There's a statue of Odin holding her dying in his arms. Either that's a different knight/sorceress pair, or maybe Odin was zephyr?
I thought rinoa became a sorceress first after the 2nd battle with Edea?.. then had Adel power after that battle which led her the only active sorceress of that time.
You are totally correct.
Rinoa unknowingly gets powers from Edea, but neither of them were aware of that happening. However, that is what allowed Ultimecia to possess Rinoa, so it is relevant to the story. I was trying to keep the video from getting too long. So since she wasn't really aware of receiving Edea's power, I chose to say that her true powers were awakened after the fight with Adel.
Great catch!
@@KumaPlays you know I never understood that part of the story with edea not knowing she had passed her powers to rinoa. If I remember right they said she did so because she thought she was going to die... so did she just not know because she was using Para magic due to having the party gf? But that still won't explain her access to her limit break. I wish they would explain that better lol
@@juststeve2579 I totally agree. I love FF8, but it is a little like cramming for a test to fully understand the plot.
@@juststeve2579I think that it wasn’t Edea herself the one that transferred her power to Rinoa, but rather Ultimecia in Edea’s body, Ultimecia thought that Edea was gonna die, and if that happened, then she couldn’t possess anyone else at Ellone’s era but Adel, but Adel was imprisoned at the time, so no possession was ever gonna be possible anymore because no one else would have freed Adel out of free will with Ellone out there, so Ultimecia went with an emergency plan to possess someone from the party to gain access to Adel, and Rinoa was surely the most fit, and in order to possess Rinoa she needed to inherit Edea’s power, so Ultimecia did the thing and transferred Edea’s power to Rinoa.
(Power which is later confirmed that is partially Ultimecia’s own power from her own future self, which may explain why Edea was so easy to possess at first, and why Edea still has access to the limit after the transfer, maybe when Ultimecia transferred Edea’s power to Rinoa, she only transferred her own Ultimecia’s future self power that was within Edea, thus leaving Edea with her original (weaker) power that still gives her access to the limit, but leaves her almost powerless and thus useless to possess against Adel and Rinoa)
I feel like a remake or sequel would be fun to delve more into this backstory.
That would be amazing! I would be so happy if they did a remake of VIII. It is one of my favorite Final Fantasy games.
I was focused on squalls story I didn’t see how much Cid and Edea sacrificed
Hyne was the ultimate villian because you never meet him but his influence especially getting both parts of his "body" during time compression is wild.
Glad to see how far you’ve come with your channel bro.. seeing your subs and views grow with each vid 🙌👏👏
Thanks a lot man! Keep up the good work yourself.
Cool final fantasy video mate!!
Thanks a lot. Glad you liked it.
The moment you enter disc 4, till taking down Ultimecia, just feels like a final Exam. Like everything about the game is being thrown back at you. Ultimecia dictates which three you will start with. You get junctioned magic blown away at random. You can't revive anyone if they get absorbed into time. If you take too long on the final form, Ultimecia will cast Apocalypse(which I have never seen.
It fascinates me how the plot hides Ultimecia away, but from replaying it, you can see she was there the whole time through Edea, then Rinoa.
How about at the end of the Timber broadcast if you look at the screen you can see red letters forming phrases assumed to be from Adel in space which is also why the tower was taken offline or how Ultimecia is Rinoa from a not so bright future timeline based off the floating castle being at the promised spot and a few other things. So much cool stuff in the background in ff8
THANK YOU for pronouncing Ultimecia correctly 🙏
You did a great job
Hyne should have set an alarm clock. He was crafty enough to make all humanity, but not so bright as to give himself a reminder to check on the kiddos.
Not to mention how little he understood human reproduction, despite making them. 🙄 (in the game mythology, anyway)
Really great video man! 🎉
great video always try to get into FF8 as I love the rest of the games in the series but have a tough time getting through this one
Sorry my question, but after Edea is defetead didnt she pass her powers to Rinoa? Esthar tried the lockdown Rinoa just like they made with Adel (to stop the infinite circle of sorceress passing they powers to others). Them Adel drain Rinoa's power to fight (under Ultimecia's control i guess) and when she is defetead Ellone send Ultimecia's mind to her future.
You are correct that is the technical order of inheritance / possession. But considering how much ultimacia jumps bodies in that section of the game I understand why they just simplified it to Rinoa's final possession at Lunatic Pandora.
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Thanks a lot! I appreciate the comment.
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Interesting video.
Many thanks. I appreciate you saying that.
Im gonna go out of my way and say that Adel had slightly more raw power than Ultimecia, but Ulty is just more creative. Adel is more concerned with destructive non elemental effects and Ulty has more of a storybook style. When you fight her she isnt capable of using Ultima or Meteor unless she summons a helix and I kind of like that. And Griever is as powerful as he is thanks to Squalls imagination. She IS strong enough to resume time compression at the end of the game but only after merging with Griever and using his pieces as ammo for the spell.
I say all of this bc Edea should technically be well above Adel, due to her receiving multiple lineages but she is functionally the weakest. That doesn't make sense unless you factor in the power weaking with each transfer. It also keeps Ulty from suddenly becoming powerful enough to cast TC from her own time after the Sorceress power stacks after enough time loops.
Rinoa became a sorceress from edea not Adele
There are so many video clips that I didn’t see in ff8. Like fight between unlimecia and squall. How do u access those in game?
I came in the comments just to see if someone knew where that scene came from
@@bluepill6644 apparently it's from ff dissidia and mobius
Good morning thanks for sharing video my friend 🥰 always full suport
Thank you very much for the comment. Take care!
I could see Hyne being the emperor from FF2, i didn't care for 2 as much cause of the mechanics, but i did enjoy the story, and i could get into a tie in of the 2 stories
You missed Ellone and her role and abilities are crucial to explaining the story.
I think Ellone wasn't a sorceress, just someone very gifted with the power to send conciseness back in time.
@@MisoraRyuu0921Ellone is Ultimecia because she have the same ability
@@robertoquintero5200 Rofl no? Dr Odine created the junction machine Ellone, by studying Ellone's powers. Ultimecia uses the junction machine in the future to send her consciousness back.
I thought Ultimecia used magic to send her consciousness back in time. What technology are you referring to?
It is easy to miss this in the story. Dr. Odine created a piece of tech called Junction Machine Ellone. It was based on Ellone's ability to send a person's consciousness back in time. It had been perfected by the distant future era of Ultimecia.
Did you mean Lunatic? As in Lunatic Pandora?
What about the sorceresses you fight, at end-game? :V
Ultimecia is gorgeous.
Ultimecia is my literal wife.
I always interpreted the final battle as Artemecia gaining knowledge and power... And realizing with this enlightenment *she was completely screwed* She would lose here. She always loses here. And then she would go around and around forever. Her attainment of godhood had sent her to a Jojo Villain tier fate.
I think that weird dialogue "reflect on your childhood..." was because she had a feeble plan to try and free herself. If Squall was bought along to where Artemecia encountered Edea maybe Squall would find a way to put her down before she reached Edea and damned herself for eternity. But neither Squall or Edea can grasp this and Artimecia does what she has done over and over. And will always do.
Very well put video. Would you mind telling me what song you used when you talked about Ultimecia?
Wasn't para-magic developed by Odine under Adel's rule?
Rinoa receives her powers from Edea, not Adel.
Are you trying to suggest the Hein from FF3 is the same as the one from FF8? These games reuse names all the time without it being the same character. Just look at Cid.
Valid point. And it is totally possible that FFIII's Hein had to do the same skin trick that FFVIII's Hyne pulled. they could be different characters. But I like to think that since Hyne goes missing after ditching his skin in FFVIII, that his skeletal body fled to the world of FFIII. It's my head canon at least.
This is a wild guess but what if the story of Hyne is Actually Ultima's?
Like leaving his skin as in Vessel that was Clive
Lol interesting way to link it but its said specifically that Hyne hid amongst women, which is why there are only Sorceresses and no Sorcerers.
@@velvetstigma4961 oh yeah.
There is no debate that Hyne shoot first, unlike un certain Han
Where's Ellone ?
Just glad Squall kept his promise, not die, and Rhinoa didnt become who Square would not confirm.
Adel is FEMALE??
She would have to be. The sorceress power is incompatible with men for whatever reason.
From the looks of it and how ugly the sorceresses were during time compression after defeating Adel, the powers have the potential of warping your appearance.
Amusingly, the French localization covered that by mentioning she's a hermaphrodite to explain the masculine appearance
Yeah, she covers her nips, and is just magicialy roided out. Sort of like female muscle builders.
I thought she was a man my whole life. Until like, three years ago.
Almasy is a Hungarian/Austrian name, and you pronounced it incorrectly.
Ultimacia is smoking hot
Axel is male and I’m sure it was a translation error to say sorceress rather than sorcerer
I prefer the French version that states her as Hermaphrodite.
Adel is clearly a dude.
😜
Thanks for the comment!
Why does Adel look like a dude?