Conner..... I do have to say, your excellent at hosting and letting the guest speak there opinions....without interrupting constantly, with your own opinions. Very calm, honest and fair.
All about the goalkeepers too, we dont have moments where we can rely on Mes, Burnley and Sheff United have the 2 best goalkeepers in the league. Once the opposition bypass our defence its 90 percent guaranteed we concede.
A little silly from Joe here - we will only go top on Saturday if Burnley and Sheff Utd draw or lose their respective games before us, i.e. once again we are relying on our competitors tripping up, rather than a consistent level of performance and an accumulated record that would put us clear regardless of the results in any given week. Like last season, Farke isn't giving us that.
His defence of Farke is frail at best and just seems built on hope rather than conviction. It’s not about this weekend, as we will probably comfortably beat Derby. However, I have very little confidence in us beating Preston and Stoke away from home, and recent form, coupled with Farke’s lack of flexibility, suggests that I’m right to think that way.
@@nicknorton3867 I was thinking that we have winnable fixtures and Sheffield united and Burnley have hard run ins this next month or so (especially sheffield united) But with how we are playing and they are playing I can see us messing up Stoke and Preston away.... and can see sheffield united and Burnley beating teams like West brom and boro during their so called tougher runs 😩
It actually does my head in that people keep seeming to ignore the fact that Sheffield United have won five more points than us so far this season. We are nowhere near as good as some fans think we are.
Joe ….. we all said no excuses this season especially with this squad. No one expects we win every game but we need to be hugely upset and concerned if we do drop any points at all. This league is worse than last year and those outside the top four last year were very poor. The words you use the most at the moment are we could, we should, if. Time will tell, indeed this next month could be very important in what we can expect into next year. 12/13 pts out of 15 should give a good base to the second half of the season. 9/10 pts and then maybe the 49ers need to act.
The truth is Farke is so stubborn he does his own thing if it works he looks great. But when it doesn't work and he knows it won't work but still won't change anything
If Farke needs more players to get promoted.... Then clearly we have issues. We already have an embarrassment of riches, regarding our squad compared to the competition in this league. Yessssss.... Farke has three 90 point seasons, but all done with parachute payment teams. Beilsa got 93 with chuffing Bamford, Cooper and Tyler Roberts 😂
Excellent debate with Joe keeping calm and making good points. However, Farke’s decision making is hugely flawed even at our level. If I had the decision to make I would give Farke to Christmas and then decide. Farke fatal flaw in terms of players is his belief in mes and Bamford and is stupid subs. His general tactics are poor.
Be honest joe . What other manager would still be including bamford in his squad . None of the top manager's would . And if farke has put bamford on to give Joseph a kick up the backside is disgusting .and what a waste of game time if that was his plan!!! Ime beginning to think Joe is just a happy clapper 😅😂 .
Thank you CONOR & JOE👌👍 Fantastic COUNTERPOINT 👍👌 Especially after following on from yesterday's brilliant DEBRIEF 😱👌👍 Brilliant topics raised & discussed 👍👌 Unfortunately the common denominator in all of this is always FARKE, especially when it comes to his stubbornness & choice of substitutes & when he brings them on😩😫 Even if he does get us promoted we're all still not happy with him managing us in the premiership, that is very apparent & very clear 😫😩 We're all seeing the same patterns of play as we did last season & that is not a good thing 😩😫 We can all say that we need more players until the cows come home but with the players that we've got right now, a better manager would be able to get us to the top of the table & get us promoted, imagine if BIELSA had the players that we've got right now 😱😫😩🙏 I don't know, but I am feeling & dreading & can see us getting to the playoffs again & we all know what happens then 😩😫😢😥🤦🙏
Farke has said many times that an average of 2 points a game will get us promoted, he said it last season too. I feel we have the squad to win most of our games Home and Away but our tactics when away point more to not losing rather than going for a win, and as we have seen eg Blackburn, if we go behind we are screwed.
I just wonder if the 49rs are actually thinking about a change of manager are they likely to push the button before January if results aren't up to snuff in the next 3 games ?
In theory we have a good enough team to get promoted... but what concerns me is either end of the pitch. You are only as good as your goalkeeper and striker... and frankly i dont think our keeper or strikers fill anybody with too much confidence. Leicester romped the league last season with Hermansen in goal and vardy upfront. The defence and middle area of the pitch we look good, also in build up. Cant help but think that if you put a Hermansen and Vardy into this Leeds team, we probably wouldn't lose another game this season. And would run away with the title. Thats the importance of a quality keeper and striker. Usually the best keepers and strikers in the division play for the top 2 teams.
Aaronson has a good high press that’s it. He doesn’t create chance, I’ve never watched a game and though wow aaronson crates a lot with his passes never haha. We need this we have fast winger who you can do that with
Heres a thought. We havent got a decent number 10 😴 So why not ditch the number 10 role for these away games altogether and go 4-3-3 and give Guilavogui some game time... which may also add steel to the midfield and allow tanaka and Rothwell to really roam free? 🤷♂️ Alternatively a 3-4-3 system, which would massively benefit the players we have.....options are endless.
@@ianelliott549 it was mentioned last season by many people to play three in midfield? it'd be a massive improvement. i just want him gone, i find watching it insufferable.
Farke will never change. His football is slow and he doesn't proactively try to influence the game through subs. I think we will have enough to go up but it will be in spite of him not because of him. You give a manager like Carrick a front four of Ramazani, Gnonto, James and Joseph and we score double what we are now.
It's too late to change managers, but Farke is not good enough for the premier league as we will not have the best squad or players to bail him out. His game management and overall strategy is just not good enough, it's actually really poor; I think we will go up, but he has to go there after. Any decision to sub-on Bamford over Joseph cannot be justified, what was he thinking???????
We create many more chances than our opponents , the problem is we dont take enough of them, in the 3 games we have lost we had 44 combined goal attempts to 24 , its obvious what the issue is
I think when you have a team that is inconsistent at striker , we will be inconsistent scoring. Rutter was a much bigger loss then I think we say. Rutter created so much space for our wingers because teams knew he was a danger, so they let Wingers get loose. Who is creating that space for our wingers now ? Rutter is creating more space at a higher league that Aaronson is in Championship
An Italian Joe Gelhardt you might say?! 🤔🤭🤷♂️🤣 We were doing the same with Joffy a few years ago. AND Meslier. You can't overhype young players as we have no idea what the future holds and if they will even make it at he highest level. Let alone become the world class players that many were predicting 🤦♂️🤣
Everybody knew full well we had to go up this season- 90 point trophy means nothing if we don't get position #1 or #2, just like last season! That's why everyone is analysing every result/weaknesses in playing position/set ups- bcos that's what defines the lines of success or failure, being the hunter or prey, the survival or death THIS IS DARWINISM --- so pull up your socks, lift your head & fight, fight, fight 💛💙🤍💯🙌🙌🙌
I disagree with Joe, just because ur critical of someone, doesn't mean u want them sacked, Leeds have no room for error, we HAVE to get Promoted, we already felt the effects of it, losing key pieces, its only gonna get worse if we don't go up
Great show today guys! Joe was on fire, & really up for it. Just wish Leeds would play that way away from home! We must sort that away form or we’ll fail yet again. That would be a travesty!
The same old story when we start slow and the other gets a scrappy goal against play. We fall in a hole like we can't do anything against a low or midfield block. We just look scared there offence looks in capable no confidence
Fans want Farke out. When we win he gets criticised which means he gets I told you so but when we lose. Apart from the subs I have no criticism. We create more chances than any other team Farke can’t score them for the player.
Very easy to criticise Farke and most do so.For two seasons now he has had to contend with the loss of many star players. The team are doing everything right up to the box when it all falls short.
Creation for our strikers is poor. Brendan for me is not the answer. Too weak on the ball and rarely sets up our front men. Gnonto, Solomon better options. Bamford should have moved on two years ago!!
Great show. Thing is, its so obvious who the Farke out lot are, and fair play if you are. The give away is, when we win, Farke gets hardly any praise, if he does it is short lived, a few mentions a week. However, when we drop points, its most of the next week !! Fact. If he made subs at half time every game, and we lose, it would be, why did he take him off !! Always the fall back, to blame Farke for every lost point. Then we have the Farke out lot who sit on the fence, just in case we go up or stay down and then they can say, 'never said i was Farke ou, always thought he was not the man'!!. It stands out so much, they just do not want to be wrong !!! I said it all along, they would say !!!
Farke gets 90 points a season argument is awful. Look at the squads he had. Stick him in charge of Preston and see how he gets on. He's not a good manager. If he gets us up, would you want him in the prem? Probably not
Scott - constructive criticism isn't negativity. Constructive criticism enables you to grow and improve in all walks of life, not just football. Pep guardiola always used to criticise his man city players even after a win by saying "we were not perfect"..... that drive for constant improvement and perfection is the main reason he's had the managerial career he's had.
We do need a number 10 deathly we need out off this shite league we don't won't too make the same mistake from last season we need too learn let's get some more body's in this squad mot
Completely disagree that blunts and Burnley don’t drop points like we have. Factually incorrect they are only 1 point and 3 points ahead. So they do drop points. Let’s not try to rewrite history. Fans need to stop panicking
Spicy! haha
Conner..... I do have to say, your excellent at hosting and letting the guest speak there opinions....without interrupting constantly, with your own opinions.
Very calm, honest and fair.
you've the patience of a saint!
All about the goalkeepers too, we dont have moments where we can rely on Mes, Burnley and Sheff United have the 2 best goalkeepers in the league. Once the opposition bypass our defence its 90 percent guaranteed we concede.
Yes. Its the weakest position in the squad. Meslier isn't good enough to play at this level
A little silly from Joe here - we will only go top on Saturday if Burnley and Sheff Utd draw or lose their respective games before us, i.e. once again we are relying on our competitors tripping up, rather than a consistent level of performance and an accumulated record that would put us clear regardless of the results in any given week. Like last season, Farke isn't giving us that.
His defence of Farke is frail at best and just seems built on hope rather than conviction. It’s not about this weekend, as we will probably comfortably beat Derby. However, I have very little confidence in us beating Preston and Stoke away from home, and recent form, coupled with Farke’s lack of flexibility, suggests that I’m right to think that way.
@GargantuanD Goes without saying, I hope you and I are wrong and Joe is right. I'm just not seeing enough data and evidence to have that belief.
Sheff Utd play on Sunday. Burnley, yes, play on Friday.
@@johnwinter8672 Ah, thanks for the clarification. Fingers crossed all three results go our way...
@@nicknorton3867 I was thinking that we have winnable fixtures and Sheffield united and Burnley have hard run ins this next month or so (especially sheffield united)
But with how we are playing and they are playing I can see us messing up Stoke and Preston away.... and can see sheffield united and Burnley beating teams like West brom and boro during their so called tougher runs 😩
It actually does my head in that people keep seeming to ignore the fact that Sheffield United have won five more points than us so far this season.
We are nowhere near as good as some fans think we are.
Joe ….. we all said no excuses this season especially with this squad. No one expects we win every game but we need to be hugely upset and concerned if we do drop any points at all.
This league is worse than last year and those outside the top four last year were very poor. The words you use the most at the moment are we could, we should, if.
Time will tell, indeed this next month could be very important in what we can expect into next year. 12/13 pts out of 15 should give a good base to the second half of the season. 9/10 pts and then maybe the 49ers need to act.
The truth is Farke is so stubborn he does his own thing if it works he looks great. But when it doesn't work and he knows it won't work but still won't change anything
totally with you Connor about Joseph, he's the future while Bamford is a waste of time and effort.
Agree most praised under performer for leeds
Farke out! Should have gone at the end of last season .We have rewarded failure
Relax guy. We aren't Barcelona
not about the points we currently have, it's about the silly points we've already given away and continue to do like last season.
Play the big Frenchman away from home.
All our goals seem to be scared around the penalty area, why can't we score from 20 yards away from the net.
sick of all the Aaronson praise, bang average, runs around a lot, puts in the effort but in the end can't influence a match like a 10 should!
Aarason = headless chicken 🐔
It's like his body is on fire, and he's running around, arms flapping all over... Trying to put it out 😂
Falling over again now
americans are useless at our game. Only good in mls.
We definitely need a number 10 if possible a sticker on loan
If Farke needs more players to get promoted.... Then clearly we have issues.
We already have an embarrassment of riches, regarding our squad compared to the competition in this league.
Yessssss.... Farke has three 90 point seasons, but all done with parachute payment teams.
Beilsa got 93 with chuffing Bamford, Cooper and Tyler Roberts 😂
Truth is all those lads who played for bielsa really wanted loved the club unlike some of these lot who sometimes r bothered then not bothered at all
Joseph 1 touch heavy poor
Excellent debate with Joe keeping calm and making good points. However, Farke’s decision making is hugely flawed even at our level. If I had the decision to make I would give Farke to Christmas and then decide. Farke fatal flaw in terms of players is his belief in mes and Bamford and is stupid subs. His general tactics are poor.
90 points this 90 points that and we still didnt get in the top two! Whats the most important 90 points or promotion!!
Be honest joe . What other manager would still be including bamford in his squad . None of the top manager's would . And if farke has put bamford on to give Joseph a kick up the backside is disgusting .and what a waste of game time if that was his plan!!! Ime beginning to think Joe is just a happy clapper 😅😂 .
To be honest.... I think Beilsa would still be starting him 😂
no bielsa knew whole team had t g no way he would play bamford now
Hed start tyler roberts though
Thank you CONOR & JOE👌👍
Fantastic COUNTERPOINT 👍👌
Especially after following on from yesterday's brilliant DEBRIEF 😱👌👍
Brilliant topics raised & discussed 👍👌
Unfortunately the common denominator in all of this is always FARKE, especially when it comes to his stubbornness & choice of substitutes & when he brings them on😩😫
Even if he does get us promoted we're all still not happy with him managing us in the premiership, that is very apparent & very clear 😫😩
We're all seeing the same patterns of play as we did last season & that is not a good thing 😩😫
We can all say that we need more players until the cows come home but with the players that we've got right now, a better manager would be able to get us to the top of the table & get us promoted, imagine if BIELSA had the players that we've got right now 😱😫😩🙏
I don't know, but I am feeling & dreading & can see us getting to the playoffs again & we all know what happens then 😩😫😢😥🤦🙏
100% AGREE with the assessment that a 9 is not the priority! NO.1 priority is GK, and 2 is a 10/ creative mid.
Farke has said many times that an average of 2 points a game will get us promoted, he said it last season too. I feel we have the squad to win most of our games Home and Away but our tactics when away point more to not losing rather than going for a win, and as we have seen eg Blackburn, if we go behind we are screwed.
I just wonder if the 49rs are actually thinking about a change of manager are they likely to push the button before January if results aren't up to snuff in the next 3 games ?
It would be interesting to see what would happen if we did not win for 3 or 4 games if the board would look to replace
Unfortunately, I don’t think the 49ers will get rid of him regardless.
No i dont think they will. They are all talk !!
49ers have got no balls.
I really enjoyed that show guys! And connor hit the nail on the head for me in the 67 min fair play
Gotta say agree with conor,joe always backs manager to the death 😂
In theory we have a good enough team to get promoted... but what concerns me is either end of the pitch. You are only as good as your goalkeeper and striker... and frankly i dont think our keeper or strikers fill anybody with too much confidence.
Leicester romped the league last season with Hermansen in goal and vardy upfront.
The defence and middle area of the pitch we look good, also in build up.
Cant help but think that if you put a Hermansen and Vardy into this Leeds team, we probably wouldn't lose another game this season. And would run away with the title.
Thats the importance of a quality keeper and striker. Usually the best keepers and strikers in the division play for the top 2 teams.
I'm team Connor in this debate
Wingers Ramazani/James speed to burn and play Solomon at 10
DF been let down by players not putting ball in the net, BUT he makes a case for being stubborn with hypocrisy of rotation and subs.
Aaronson has a good high press that’s it. He doesn’t create chance, I’ve never watched a game and though wow aaronson crates a lot with his passes never haha. We need this we have fast winger who you can do that with
Farke is to stubborn in his ways unfortunately I feel this is a problem
Brilliant debate chaps. 😁😁
Great show guys, the weird thing is I agree with mostly Conor over Joe. However I agree with Joe that I think Conor does want him out
Only downfall to the West Brom vs Sheff United games is West Brom aren't great at home as they sit 21st in the home form table
The Bookies are not often wrong. The odds have changed for the table a lot. Leeds have never dropped from being Favourites to win it
Desperately need a striker and a goalkeeper.
Heres a thought. We havent got a decent number 10 😴
So why not ditch the number 10 role for these away games altogether and go 4-3-3 and give Guilavogui some game time... which may also add steel to the midfield and allow tanaka and Rothwell to really roam free? 🤷♂️
Alternatively a 3-4-3 system, which would massively benefit the players we have.....options are endless.
Good point. They never even consider this, do they? Fantasy football kids, at best.
@tonyhirst3628 trouble is Tony, Farke doesn't consider it either. That's perhaps more concerning than Joe and Conor not considering it 🤷♂️🤣🤦♂️
@@ianelliott549 it was mentioned last season by many people to play three in midfield? it'd be a massive improvement. i just want him gone, i find watching it insufferable.
Farke will never change. His football is slow and he doesn't proactively try to influence the game through subs. I think we will have enough to go up but it will be in spite of him not because of him. You give a manager like Carrick a front four of Ramazani, Gnonto, James and Joseph and we score double what we are now.
It's too late to change managers, but Farke is not good enough for the premier league as we will not have the best squad or players to bail him out. His game management and overall strategy is just not good enough, it's actually really poor; I think we will go up, but he has to go there after. Any decision to sub-on Bamford over Joseph cannot be justified, what was he thinking???????
We create many more chances than our opponents , the problem is we dont take enough of them, in the 3 games we have lost we had 44 combined goal attempts to 24 , its obvious what the issue is
I think when you have a team that is inconsistent at striker , we will be inconsistent scoring. Rutter was a much bigger loss then I think we say. Rutter created so much space for our wingers because teams knew he was a danger, so they let Wingers get loose. Who is creating that space for our wingers now ? Rutter is creating more space at a higher league that Aaronson is in Championship
We should of gone for Smodich he would of been perfect
10:29 Think we’ve hyped him up after a great start at Leeds. Willy is a above average championship player. Nothing more.
An Italian Joe Gelhardt you might say?! 🤔🤭🤷♂️🤣
We were doing the same with Joffy a few years ago. AND Meslier.
You can't overhype young players as we have no idea what the future holds and if they will even make it at he highest level. Let alone become the world class players that many were predicting 🤦♂️🤣
Heading for the Play-Offs.
Everybody knew full well we had to go up this season- 90 point trophy means nothing if we don't get position #1 or #2, just like last season! That's why everyone is analysing every result/weaknesses in playing position/set ups- bcos that's what defines the lines of success or failure, being the hunter or prey, the survival or death THIS IS DARWINISM --- so pull up your socks, lift your head & fight, fight, fight 💛💙🤍💯🙌🙌🙌
We need a #9 and a #10 in Jan a regular goal scorer and goal provider do this we win the league....MOT
I disagree with Joe, just because ur critical of someone, doesn't mean u want them sacked, Leeds have no room for error, we HAVE to get Promoted, we already felt the effects of it, losing key pieces, its only gonna get worse if we don't go up
Great show today guys! Joe was on fire, & really up for it. Just wish Leeds would play that way away from home! We must sort that away form or we’ll fail yet again. That would be a travesty!
Wait while feb got Watford Coventry Sheff United away and Sunderland at home very tough may struggle to pick up many points.
I would leave gnonto on bench, against Swansea he looked good when coming on
I think you may have forgot Burnley are playing middlesbrough on friday
Home for Sheff Utd top, Watford 2nd Leeds 3rd
Could be worse. We could be Plymouth
We need a creative midfielder who scores and create.
Interesting watch but just to point out (if) we beat Middlesboro on Friday you won't be top
The same old story when we start slow and the other gets a scrappy goal against play. We fall in a hole like we can't do anything against a low or midfield block. We just look scared there offence looks in capable no confidence
Only got 27 games left if we win 17 more games we will the the the league and i belive that
Farke has enough to get us up, but it’s clearly obvious why he’s failed miserably in the prem
Fans want Farke out. When we win he gets criticised which means he gets I told you so but when we lose. Apart from the subs I have no criticism. We create more chances than any other team Farke can’t score them for the player.
Thank God we have two home games next. Come on Leeds sort the away form out .
Why does he keep bringing up Joseph in pre season. What's he done in games that matter
Does Joe still think we are the best team in the league? the table would suggest we are 3rd best.
Very easy to criticise Farke and most do so.For two seasons now he has had to contend with the loss of many star players.
The team are doing everything right up to the box when it all falls short.
Raise the standards
farke is a fart.
Need to better away
Creation for our strikers is poor. Brendan for me is not the answer. Too weak on the ball and rarely sets up our front men. Gnonto, Solomon better options. Bamford should have moved on two years ago!!
Great show.
Thing is, its so obvious who the Farke out lot are, and fair play if you are. The give away is, when we win, Farke gets hardly any praise, if he does it is short lived, a few mentions a week. However, when we drop points, its most of the next week !! Fact. If he made subs at half time every game, and we lose, it would be, why did he take him off !! Always the fall back, to blame Farke for every lost point. Then we have the Farke out lot who sit on the fence, just in case we go up or stay down and then they can say, 'never said i was Farke ou, always thought he was not the man'!!. It stands out so much, they just do not want to be wrong !!! I said it all along, they would say !!!
Farke gets 90 points a season argument is awful. Look at the squads he had. Stick him in charge of Preston and see how he gets on. He's not a good manager. If he gets us up, would you want him in the prem? Probably not
90 points..... All with parachute payment teams
Guys we will win the league
And mes is terrible get a keeper in January
I've been saying that for three years but hear we are still.
If we go on a run and win the league by 10 points Connor will say I told you so this squad is far superior and all the negativity will be forgotten.
Why would you do that? Just be happy, if he improves we all want that.
Scott - constructive criticism isn't negativity.
Constructive criticism enables you to grow and improve in all walks of life, not just football.
Pep guardiola always used to criticise his man city players even after a win by saying "we were not perfect"..... that drive for constant improvement and perfection is the main reason he's had the managerial career he's had.
Let’s hope we do go on a run
Like for like subs he needs not be to stubborn and tactically change the system but he does not. Clueless in my opinion
We do need a number 10 deathly we need out off this shite league we don't won't too make the same mistake from last season we need too learn let's get some more body's in this squad mot
meslier need to go in January
@emmetfitzsimons4170 ya aggre he is costing us and we need a good replacement aswell mot
Completely disagree that blunts and Burnley don’t drop points like we have. Factually incorrect they are only 1 point and 3 points ahead. So they do drop points. Let’s not try to rewrite history. Fans need to stop panicking