Star Wars Ruined the Movie Industry
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Disney ruined Star Wars.
This.
Disney let Kathleen Kennedy ruin Star Wars
@@brokenwrench404if it were another job she would’ve been fired a long time ago
Have you watched the prequels? As someone who likes the original trilogy, I was inclined to disagree w. Klavan, but when considering the number of people who like episodes 1-3, I think he might actually have a point.
Wow hot take. Lol
Star Wars needs to get out of Disney's hands if it wants to continue
Andor was good
@@triplea657aaa And pretty gay too.
I wish George Lucas had never sold them to Disney. Big big mistake
@@triplea657aaa The exceptions don't determine the rule.
The moment Disney bought Star Wars, it felt I was the only one saying “this is going to suck”.
I actually love them debating this. I would rather debate starwars than politics sometimes.
I probably won't get anywhere talking politics with folks here, anyway. So let's go:
Episode 2 is the best SW film outside the OT, change my mind.
@wet-read Conservatives are very open to conversation as long as it's in good faith. But yes, in regards to episode 2. Personally outside of the OT I would put episode 3 over 2. I actually think 1, 2, 3 got better with each movie. I just can't get over that lightsaber sequence between Anakin and Obi-Wan. It's the greatest fight sequence in the entire starwars series.
@@leroyrodgers6089
Perhaps.
I had issues with E3.
Palpatine too comfortable looking as a captive.
The mostly atrocious dialogue and delivery when Anakin tells Mace about Palp, and when Mace et al. confront him. The fight scene was pretty lame, too. Didn't really care about the movie as a whole. I liked 1 and 2 more.
My God, the amount of L's in this video is insane lol
@@wet-readthat's a worse take than voting for biden!
Matt Walsh is against anything that doesn’t involve being a boring adult.
The Daily Wire should have fired Shapiro for his grating voice rather than Candace. Such hypocrites.
He’s one of the founders so owns the company
That's why the jew can fire the Christian, bc he believes in freedom of speech! Ha liars like the rest! Mrs. Owens is gonna be bigger now!
Agreed! But he’s a J! So u can’t because he’s a protected class even though they are kinda sh@t people!
@@AndyT81that dosnt matter he should be fired for being anti Christian and anti American
@@thecombatdonkey6087 He's not anti-Christian or anti-American.
Someone tell Jeremy that the redoing of the original trilogy happened before the prequels.
_maclunkey!_
By George Lucas.
Someone also needs to tell him that theyre basically the same movies and George did a lot more on EMPIRE AND JEDI than some directors in the industry
Yes, to drum up interest in the franchise (as it had been a significant number of years since the last movie) and also raise money to finish production on the next movie.
Hey DailyWire where are you to defend your own employee Candace Owens who is getting defamed from the mainstream media? You`ve stood up to defend Matt Walsh, & Michael Knowles in the past but absolute silence when Candace Ownes is getting attacked?
As a DW subscriber, I wrote an essay to Andrew Klavan’s Mailbag explaining why he’s wrong.
"Dear Drew, I wrote you, but you still ain't callin
I left my cell, my pager and my home phone at the bottom
I sent two letters back in autumn, you must not've got 'em
There probably was a problem at the post office or somethin
Sometimes I scribble addresses too sloppy when I jot 'em"
@@cyclone8974, how’d you know?
@@SchlockstarJoe I am old
Any chance I could read this?
Matt is quite a bit younger than I am. I was 20 when it first came out. And the technology was not nearly as advanced as it is today. Everything was done with wires, puppets, cables, and sets built by hand by carpenters and painters to give special effects the reality that was possible at that time. When I watch those movies now, that is how I look at how advanced the effects were and remember the first time seeing that large ship fly across the screen chasing princess Leia's spacecraft. While the first three newer ones in the early nineties were okay, I have no interest in watching the new ones because there is no imagination.
Star Wars is literally the classic hero’s journey. Klavan and Matt are wild for those takes.
Matt and Andrew are tripping.
Andrew trying to suggest that even old B movies were more intelligent is absurd.
THIS!!! Drew is being SO selective in his data.
Also boring & creatively lacking comparitively.
Jealousy maybe?
I agree, it's like come on dude, The Blob from the late 50's was intelligent? Get the f@@k out of here.
Blasphemy!!! Star Wars is the epitome of creative exploration and paved the way for visualizing movie concepts such as Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Avatar, and many others.
No curmudgeon will ever like fun.
Every time I hear the daily wire lads talking about movies it’s like listening to a feminist talking about mens problems
It shows Matt didn’t actually watch the film too closely, as Han makes fun of the lightsaber in the movie saying it’s no match for a good blaster at your side.
Plan 9 from Outer Space was 140 IQ? That thesis is insupportable.
Plan 9 is about an 80 IQ, but somehow still fun to watch!
I'm with Ben and Jeremy on this particular issue.
Matt hate fun so his option Andrew just has bad take on this
Wut
i legit want a full, hour-long debate on this topic.
I’ve been saying what JB said for a while. Lucas made 3 (more like 2.5) great films, then was given full control of the prequels. People shit all over the prequels so Lucas had to compensate by himself shitting all over the original trilogy, tinkering with it, and sabotaging to make the prequels seem better by comparison.
Second possibility is: Lucas’s vision was restrained by the technology of his time, which was actually a good thing. We’ve seen this a bunch with film makers. Jurassic park and Jaws are other great examples of less is more.
I lean towards the first though. His over compensation towards propping up the prequels is cringe. Saying Hayden Christianson gave the best performance, freaking Jar Jar Binks being his favorite character, like dude chill with this nonsense
In the new star wars by Disney Luke and his sister get married and they cast out anyone who says incest is bad.
After watching Star Wars with my son for the first time today, he looked up at me and asked, "Daddy, why was R2D2 so dirty?"
Puzzled, I asked him what he meant.
He replied, "Well, they had to bleep out every word he said!"
lol 🤣🤣🤣
That is an awesome story.
Kids, and the things they say.
How they see the world is refreshing.
@@kellybreen5526 I think he is kidding with the baddad jokes .
@@user-tg5oo4zf2x
Got me then. It is good joke. I bit.
I am with Ben on this these guys don’t know what they’re talking about. Also, Matt’s point about light sabres is moronic it’s explained in the film as being the traditional weapon of the Jedi and Sith and only the Jedi and Sith mainly use light sabres because only people with their kind of powers can wheeled such a weapon effectively.
Ben is a fanboy on this take and is wrong
@@arizonaFIREent could you elaborate?
@@arizonaFIREent being a fan boy does not make you wrong you know.
The prequels ruined Jake Lloyd's & Ahmed Best's lives. The latter even contemplated suicide.
Andrew Klavan: The film IQ before Star Wars was a lot higher
Me: Clearly you did not see some of the movies Hollywood made during World War 2. Or perhaps a C teir western?
Matt may have good takes on politics. But his opinions on anything that a normal person would enjoy or have fun with is just atrocious.
Nah, he's right. I know not a single person, me included, that saw SW as an adult and didn't find it horrible. And not because it's old, older films than SW hold up perfectly today.
Ben's not wrong about the 60s and 70s. The movies of that era suffered from cinematic innovation over pacing and writing. There's still remnant of that style during some of the scenes in A New Hope. What fixed the movies was comedy. In the early 80s comedy either in part or whole in movies became more family friendly, and the laid the ground work for the many beloved comedies of the 80s and 90s. Unfortunately, after 2000 humor took a dive again either not being funny, or being adult focused again. It's the humorous aspect that made Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters, and Back to the Future work so well. By the 90s it seemed directors has a better sense of how to tailor a movie to be action, suspense, romantic comedy, sci-fi, sci-fi comedy, etc. It's also why the Disney Renaissance films were so popular, because they were written for a more general audience incorporating classic plots, top tier comedians, and top tier songwriters; now the crew is scraped from the bottom of the barrel.
That's a good point about the humor. However, Ben is completely wrong that the films of the entire decades of the 60s and 70s were bad. The effects of the studio system were still being shaken off in the 60s - and it shows - but when the 70s came along, American cinema came into its own. The sheer volume of masterpieces and classics that came from the 70s will likely never be topped. The 90s is probably the closest we've come since.
@@Guigley Other than A New Hope and The Muppet Movie, I don't care for like anything that was made in the 70s. There are a lot of overrated movies from the 70s that older people like, because they're blinded by nostalgia, such as Jaws and The Godfather. In contrast, the 80s and 90s have all the great movies for me. I guess you're either older, or have a very different taste. It could be you like the slow pacing, and silent panning of shots that is common in those earlier eras. The 50s and before focused more on writing.
I think all of you are just wrong about the 70's movies. Just the influence that the movie Rocky had on the industry changed film making forever. Then you throw in Jaws, Halloween and so many others. I would also say that the Star Trek movies had a far greater influence on Aliens and other series like that. Star Wars based everything on special effects and like strange aliens. I even as a kid never like Star Wars after seeing the first one.
Ben is wrong about the 70's. that met be the greatest decade of movies and The Godfather is really the movie that put new life in Hollywood. This decade had Clockwork Orange, Dirty Harry, Jaws, Chinatown, One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, The French Connection, Barry Lydon and so many others.
@@tiggerwoods100 I agree, the disrespect towards the 70's is crazy. The decade had great blockbusters like Jaws, great comedies like Blazing Saddles, great action movies like Dirty Harry and great dramas like The Godfather. The list could go on and on.
Alec Guinness was a real drag at Star Wars conventions and he hated the Ben Kinobe character. He tended to be a bit crusty and dismissive of Star Wars fans.
he despised Sci-Fi
He knew it was a terrible movie and no doubt was embarrassed that he would forever be associated with it.
Great actor but he thought the dialogue was turgid.
The only thing he’s even known for 😂😂😂😂
@@van3158
I know. By this generation but :
Does she play the balalaika?
Can she play!
Well then it’s a gift.
Look it up.
Last line of a masterpiece.
And he had the last line.
I like how the thumbnail frames this discussion like a duel between a father and son
@2:48
You mean the B movies that Mystery Science Theater 3000 would make fun of while I was falling asleep because even MST3K's brilliant comedy couldn't help those boring movies? Those are the movies that are better than Star Wars?
As for the lightsaber argument, it can seem weird and antiquated, but that's what makes the Jedi stand out. They cut the clip short, but Obi Wan was about to say "Your father's lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster. An elegant weapon, for a more... civilized age."
Disney ruined the western entertainment industry. Which is caused by the woke ideologies.
More non-political debate, this was really funny and a refreshing change of topic
George Lucas allowed Star Wars to be ruined.
bens take is of course right
I wasn’t allowed to watch Star Wars when I was a kid until I was around my teens and I am a huge Star Wars fan so that disproves Matt’s claims.
I will also say this, George Lucas didn’t ruins Star Wars, the original films, or not worse apart from the Han and Greedo scene. Second, the prequel’s are awesome. Yes, the acting is at times within the dialogue is bad, but for me that doesn’t ruin it, because at the core, the story is still excellent.
Even some of the Disney produced Star Wars is still good. Yes, there’s a lot of bad as well but Rogue One the Mandalorian, the last season of the clone wars, Star Wars rebels the Mandalorian episodes in the Boba Fett show parts of the Ahsoka show and of course Andor are all awesome.
I’m all for accelerating to ludicrous speed and having dinner with Pizza the Hut.
“They shot my hair!”
Very true, my friend.
Also, if some of my comment sounds off with odd words or phrasing I use voice dictation and sometimes it doesn’t work very well. Plus, I was in a bit of a hurry when I made the comment.
@@leightoncressman6188
I have to edit mine often due to big thumbs and a touch screen. Not a good combo. Add to that auto correct will often change a word thanks to its intuitive AI that is wrong. Oh and it Americanises my spelling.
Walsh and Klavan are Nerf herders.
Matt Walsh said, 'Squid Game' would kill children.
He also said he never watched it.
I've no need to debate the value of Star Wars with someone who doesn't like it. Quite simply, not everything is for everyone. Personally, I adore the Star Wars films that I like, and really don't care about the ones I don't like. And honestly, the ones I don't like make up the large majority. To say that Star Wars ruined the movie industry, though, is ridiculous and simplistic. Historically, Hollywood has never been above pandering to what it sees as the sure money, and it certainly wasn't Star Wars that started that. And the audiences for other films didn't just go away when Star Wars came along. We have only Hollywood itself to blame for declining quality in the industry, and now, all of it's agenda-driven nonsense to kill it.
After Vietnam, and Watergate people wanted escapism. Disco, “Charlie’s Angels” and films like Jaws, Rocky, Star Wars etc. The 70s were a great era for American cinema. Scorsese, Altman, Malick, Kubrick etc
Matt Walsh don’t be a boomer challenge (impossible)
Cancel Daily Wire over Candace.
They put a gag order on C@ndace. I was supportive until they silenced their colleague. Why gag her if she's done nothing wrong? Repost: Remove CO gag order. Debate CO - cowards.
Star Wars changed cinema. Disney ruined Star Wars. Thus ruined cinema.
Klaven isn’t a million miles off with his statement. Before Star Wars, the 70s was loaded with really dark, challenging fantastic films that were also box office successes. Chinatown, Dirty Harry and its sequels and as Ben said, anything by Coppola. The early to mid 80s were similar. Ghostbusters, Heathers, society, fatal attraction and a personal favourite Tightrope. The latter being a massive box office hit despite the grim tone. The era of the sequels was well and truly under way though. Star Wars, Beverly Hills cop, lethal weapon, crocodile Dundee, Rocky. As you went in to the 90s, it all became about bigger budgets, and loaded with brainless (not an insult) explosions and massive movie stars. Cage, Arnie, Willis, Sly ect. You also had the birth of the Batman movie in 89 and its sequels in the 90s. Jack Nicholson started the trend of taking back end payments on big office which meant budgets went up and studios were becoming less inclined to gamble on movies that weren’t a sequel, established franchise or a movie driven by bankable star power. Skip into the mid noughties and that was the beginning of the marvel cancer that has left lasting damage on Hollywood. Budgets are insane and break even points are higher and higher. There are of course a lot of fantastic exceptions, predominantly in the indie world, but you only need to look at what’s on at your local cinema in the last few years to see how the trend has damaged things. When marvel was a billion dollar guarantee for each movie, they would abandon smaller titles in favour of adding more screenings of the marvel rubbish. Hopefully with more and more people abandoning marvels dn Disney, this will see a tide change to smaller more focused and well written films instead. Drew isn’t a long way off.
Matt and Drew are absolutely wrong about the quality of Star Wars original trilogy. They are fantastic films, strong story, epic lore, groundbreaking production value, memorable characters, aesthetics and music. So much worked so
Well you are not bothered by some of the weaknesses of the acting (though I would not say it is bad it is not always great) and some clunky dialogue
But I think I can agree that the film industry constantly trying to replicate what Star Wars did IS a big contributor to the degrading quality of films over the last 30 years. Films started to rely more and more on production value and less on acting and strong character and dialogue. I do agree with that.
Andrew is being silly and he's clearly ignoring the dumb movies made before 1977. Going by his logic, you want to blame a movie for the blockbuster that would be Jaws. The 80's and 90's were great decades for movies, they had plenty of iconic dramas like Raging Bull or Independent movies like Dinner with Andre getting made. Matt Damon explained why the middle budget movies stopped getting made and that's connected with the decline in people renting/buying physical media. A movie like Shawshank for example didn't do well in theaters but became a hit on VHS.
I saw Star Wars in 77 at 8 years old. It captivated me until around 5th grade. I don’t think the first one came out on vhs at movie rental stores until 10-12 years later. I pretty much forgot about Star Wars until I had kids in 96. Star Wars will always be a part of my family. Even the crappy Disney ones
I got into Star Wars in my upper 20s as did someone else I know. And we fell in love with it. So, no. People don’t just like it because of the nostalgia of watching it as a child. I’d never even heard of it as a child. Now, I love many things Star Wars - the Originals, the Prequels, the Clone Wars, Rogue One, Solo, and yes, even some of the Disney Star Wars shows (Mando & Kenobi for example).
That being said, Disney’s grip on the franchise and entertainment industry at large is ruining it, and the good days of Star Wars are practically over as are the days of good cinema. To blame its downfall on Star Wars and George Lucas is ignoring the fact that it’s leftist ideology and weak, lazy, and terrible writing that are ruining film & television. Amidst all of the terrible drivel Hollywood/Disney pumps out today, classic Star Wars remains as one of the best stories ever put on screen with charm, adventure, wit, depth, romance, and timeless truths and good values that appeal to many generations.
I am a HUGE classic film buff and without question after years of studying film history I can state unequivocally that Star Wars and particularly Lucas and Spielberg RUINED film and changed it for the worse FOREVER! The demarcation for film historians should be BS and AS (before Star Wars and after Star Wars). We went from character based plots and storylines that’s required skillful acting and performing, to an over reliance on special effects and producers caring only about one thing- making the next BLOCKBUSTER, rather than making a film that speaks to people . Go watch movies like In a Lonely Place or The Asphalt Jungle or He Ran all the Way from 1950 and then watch a few films from 1978 or later and tell me they are even in the same STRATOSPHERE!
Let's get one thing straight right now - Star Wars did NOT ruin the movie industry. Star Wars is the greatest entity in the history of entertainment, and has inspired generations of people to be and do so many amazing things for nearly half a century.
Disney taking control of Star Wars ruined the movie industry. Those are 2 completely different things.
Andrew does not seem to be a science fiction enthusiast. Matt grew up with an industry that copied much of the Star wars characters and themes so at his age, Darth Vader was not new. The Star wars movies started these characters which have been copied over and over. But before that it hadn't been done. It's hard to be startled or scared or shocked when you already know what's coming. Today's music and movies are all copies and remakes of the old classics. As we know they are never as good as the originals.
In regards to dead Spider-Man not being dead. I would imagine Ben was talking about Avengers: Infinity War.
That's crazy that Ben is the one standing up for Star Wars.
Pre Disney, folks that don't like Star Wars I'd catalogue as people I'd disregard for movie discussions. Post Disney, the exact opposite.
Walsh and Klavan are objectively wrong. I think they are just upset that there aren't any rocketships bouncing on strings...
Plus I would like to throw out there that Star Trek > Star Wars. Trek paved the way for Wars (Lucas even said this) and together paved the way for modern scifi classics like the Alien franchise.
Star Wars MADE the movie industry. Matt needs to watch his dirty mouth. There’s no need for that kind of violence.
I was 21 when Star Wars came out and Ben is totally correct! I loved the original and there were great movies after that!
I see your swartz is as big as mine, lets see how well you handle it.
Star wars is a great epic set of movies and has a great story of good VS evil
He has a point about Alec Guinness; personal letters he sent revealed that he thought A New Hope was a load of nonsense, and yet he and George Lucas created an iconic character despite that.
I even fought in the clone wars...😏
Star Wars is incredibly layered and deep. Mark Hamill is not aligned with me politically but he was perfect in that role and is a very good actor.
Star Wars is amazing but Disney ruin the nostalgia of Star Wars to large degree.
I didn’t see any Star Wars movies until in my 30s and I loved it.
Disney said come see for yourself how good the movies are. They obviously expected us to pay and once paid how do you get your money back? Many people still get caught by that. But how many times can a person be caught out before they refuse to get fooled again?
The light saber. "This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster. An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age."
I choose to believe Drew is trolling, because he says similar nonsense about superhero movies...after his beautiful WSJ piece about the greatness of The Dark Knight. He is, after all, a "grown @$$ man"...who plays video games.
Alec Guiness got 2% of the original Star Wars movie, then Lucas increased it to 2.5% because of Guiness' helpful changes, but after it became block-buster, Lucas lowered it to 2.25%.
You can see Guiness explain this in an interview.
Without Star Wars, there would be no Alien or, maybe even, LOTR.
Tolkien Wrote Lord Of The Rings In The 50s And Star Wars Came Out In '77
This comment is justifiably getting dunked on lol.
And more importantly
No Spaceballs……
Clearly the greatest movie ever!
That's such a bougus claim 😂
@@theintermorpherz I think it’s pretty damn obvious that he’s referring to the LotR movies that came out in the early 2000s
Francis Ford Coppola has been saying for years that Star Wars "ruined" the industry and the art of movies in the way discussed here, so this isn't a new concept.
Liking it isn't so much about adulthood or childhood but watching it now in the 21st century versus before. There are so many movies, series, TV series, and video games for people now, and easily accessible, and none of that existed when Star Wars was in its prime. The prequels only thrived on the curiosity of how the story would connect and continue, but while trailblazing new visual effects techniques that were used in better quality films.
Speaking of obsolete weapons like the "glowing sword," Han Solo's blaster is just a Mauser Mod. 1896 with a sawed-off barrel and some ribs glued on. Most of the weapons the storm troopers use are WW-2 machine guns, and other oldies show up, too. --Old Guy
The 70's had no good movies? Have you ever heard of or seen A Clockwork Orange? One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? Jaws? Close Encounters of the Third Kind? The Deer Hunter? Deliverance? Apocalypse Now? Are you guys sure you're smoking regular tobacco and not wacky tobaccy? 💯👍🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Alien, The Godfather, Taxi Driver, etc.
@@ChristianFrates1997 Dog Day Afternoon, Invasion of the Body Snatches, Young Frankenstein, A History of the World, Part One, etc. etc.
👍
I have a final presentation on the foreshadowed and VERY CATHOLIC themes running through The Marvel movies. I fully admit they are the last beautiful note for Western Cinema, but they are actually of high value and quality. Themes of ultimate defeat this side of Heaven. The cost Heroism, the ultimate ends of political machinations, and redemption through personal sacrifice.
Still waiting for Ben to apologize about his comments on Jesus
The clone wars cartoon actually got me really into Star wars, i wasnt able to watch old star wars movies from the 70s- 80s because it didn't keep me hooked. After i watched the cartoon and fell in love with the lore, i appreciated anything star wars after that, even the lego ones lol (born 1990, attempted to watch episode four in my youth and 20s and never wanted to finish it and didnt pay attention but i watched star wars in entirety, every movie and show when i was 30 it was great ..fun times )
The 70s had some of the best movies of all time.
I loved Star Wars! In the 70s, there was nothing else like it, that opening sequence in the theater was breathtaking.
Candace Owens is right about the members of the tribe…the small hats…the goblins…
If anyone's interested, there's a British band called UNIT that released a whole album inspired by and dedicated to Prageru, TPUSA and The Daily Wire. I discovered their You Tube channel a couple of years ago and most of their stuff is excellent. I'm not an agent for the band nor do I know any of them but, to judge from their lyrics, they seem genuine. I found them by typing UNIT Andy Martin The Voice Of Reason into YT which did the trick. They have the entire album as a playlist. One of their tracks features the mighty Ben Shapiro, a couple of later pieces feature Matt Walsh and they do a cracking version of Columbia Gem Of The Ocean, too! PS No, I am not the singer’s dad nor am I their manager or related in any way to the group!
Of all people I would've expected Walsh to appreciate the tradition and conservatism of the Jedi using swords
He’s progressive when it comes to weaponry
I don't think nostalgia has anything to do with it. There are movies and tv shows I loved as a kid, but when I watch them as an adult, I don't enjoy them as much because I see all the flaws now, some I can't watch at all because they make me cringe.
So, their complaints were the acting and laser swords? The ones who can use the Force use the lightsabers. That's the point. They need to be in tune with that higher power to wield it effectively. If they used some higher level technology, then anyone in this universe could use the technology, which would be pointless. They complain Star Wars dumbed down the movies, and then they want to dumb them down further? It was supposed to be "simple." The whole point is that the Jedi shed all the trappings of modern life and take the time and effort to listen to a higher power and let it guide them. A simpler life and a simpler weapon for defense.
Stars Wars didn't dumb down the movies, the movies and tv shows that followed it did. They didn't pay attention to what made Star Wars successful. The industry just said, "Make space movies and shows," and "We need more action scenes." They tried to find "the magic formula." Just look at the Sequel Trilogy. This is why it didn't go over well. There was no real storytelling, no character development, and enough plot holes to make a collander look watertight.
The original Star Wars trilogy didn’t ruin the movie industry, but Disney did ruin the movie industry since the 2010s with their buyouts like Marvel Studios, Lucasfilm, and 20th Century Fox! I feel Disney monopolizing the movie industry and destroying Star Wars and other franchises with woke propaganda, that’s why the movie industry has crashed!
I saw it at 25 and I was transfixed by it. I've been SW fan ever since. What Matt and Andrew don't understand is that SW was Sci-Fantasy, not Sci-Fi. The acting was competent. If it hadn't been, then the movie would have fizzled. The story was compelling. It was based partly on Joshep Campbells 'The Hero's Journey'.
Basically, they've lost their 'inner child' who can appreciate films like SW. I even enjoyed the Prequels. It is a subjective manner. I actually feel sorry for them.
What is really funny is that the climax of the first film is just a sci-fi remake of the Dambusters.
I’m not kidding. There is a video of the Richard Todd film (1955) with the Star Wars dialog voiced over and it matches damned near perfectly.
"They don't like star wars because they lost their inner child" is really what you're going with? I love anything sci-fi, fantasy and mixes of them, I just think star wars sucks. People can simply dislike things.
@@AwesomePossum510 ....and I believe Star Wars is great. Whatever floats your boat.
Matt should understand Star Wars is not science fiction as many people say, it's fantasy. That's why it doesn't need to make sense in everything. I mean, spacecrafts being noisy in deep space or people getting out of the ship in space with no more protection than a breathing mask is much more ludicrous than the lightsabers
George Lucas created the Star Wars, Indiana Jones IPs et al. for the young and the young at heart, and entrusted it to the company that seemed best suited to protect and carry them into the future - Disney. Okay, so that didn't turn out so well, but now the original films are treated as masterpieces (on story telling and character arc development) in comparison to the recent sequels. In handing Lucasfilm over to KK and Disney, he (ultimately) simultaneously destroyed his IP legacy but enhanced his myth as a film maker.
Andrew's argument about Star Wars ruining the movie industry is a non starter because the movie industry doesn't measure success by IQ points but profitability. For every Wuthering Heights there was a Bed Time for Bonzo. There is not now, nor ever has been, a mass market for thoughtful movies in the US, and those that succeeded at the box office succeeded for the same reasons as successful low brow movies - they engaged the audience (albeit different audiences in different ways).
This is, by far my favorite film in the Star Wars series. It was action packed and the story was self contained. I saw the movie in August of 1977, just before my 11th birthday. That same year, Universal re-released American Graffiti, which is one of my top 5 films of all time.
My 2 favorite decades for cinema were the 30s and 70s. Coincidentally, film historians agree. I'm not a Quentin Tarantino fan because I have seen the movies he "borrowed" from, so I'm not impressed with his work. But I agree with him on one thing. 80s cinema paled compared to 70s cinema and today's cinema makes 80s cinema look great.
Why do they use bats in Baseball...? They can just use the ball cannon...?
I saw the first Star Wars in the theaters in '77 at the age of 30.
And I still think that Darth Vader (in that movie) was the best villain I've every seen.
He might be the best villain ever made for the big screen. Matt just likes controversy
@@laststand6420I would consider Anakin/Darth Vader as an anti hero like Michael Corleone form the Godfather.
@@followerofchrist3125 Yeah no, Vader is a straight up bad guy... Of course he reverts to hero in the end, but for a long time he was pursuing power with no regard for the cost. That is the clear mark of a villain.
@@laststand6420 I disagree, mostly because of his soft spot for his son Luke. What do you think of Michael Corleone from the Godfather if you have seen it?
@@followerofchrist3125 Of course he has some good in him. That doesn't make him an anti hero or mean he isn't still a wicked, depraved, monster of a person.(Who I very much enjoy watching by the way). Most well crafted bad guys are actually after a noble goal, Vader isn't even after a noble goal, only personal power.
I have never seen the Godfather
Nah, what ruined the movie Industry was Ghostbusters 2016. What followed was a decade of using movie preference (and TV) as a tool for holding political struggle sessions.
But if you want to decry modern day popular films, it all started with Jaws and the rise of the summer blockbuster.
Walsh is correct about lightsabers, btw. They do not make sense as a weapon of war. Especially since we see jedi get gunned down in the prequels. At the very least, they should have a shield like the Gungans use. And, yes, they should use blasters.
The in-universe argument is that is precisely the reason why jedi use them. To handicap themselves. They are outdated relics of a bygone age where things were more "civilized." Now, I always took this to mean that kings and lords and whatnot had knights in their court and disputes were settled not with war but with duels. But the prequels killed that idea.
You gentlemen forgot to mention how all the engines on these high tech spaceships were on full thrust or so traveling in space. Imagine Glenn trying to reach the moon with engines on all the time. He would have needed a gas line attached running back to a fuel station on earth. Fun watching you guys.
Star Wars was brilliant in many ways. So many concepts from Biblical stories of good and evil. It has realistic ideas, because the theme is based on human tendencies in real life.
Big mistake to fire Candace Owens. Huge.
He's talking about Xfinity war which was 2018 I believe wasn't that long ago
The special editions came out before the prequels.
Gag order. Really. Such cowards. If all of you had true conviction in what you believe you wouldn't need a gag order, or fear a debate.
Ben’s right
He's mostly right but he was wrong with blowing off the 70's movies as a whole. The 70's met be the greatest decade of movies.
The prequels are better than the Disney trilogy.
If you go back to the interviews about star wars, it is shown how that, in the 70's, cinema was going cynical, and what star wars actually did, was counter that. That's what star wars did for movies. Star wars was just for the purpose of making you feel good. The exact words of George Lucas. I will say though, that Lord of the Rings doesn't suffer from what star wars does, when rewatching it. But Lord of the Rings has a lot more going for it.
Maybe they were talking about John Snow and not Spiderman?
A room full of siths discussing Star wars sounds just like you thought it would.
who is worse carry fisher or mark hamil
As someone who loved Star Wars growing up, I can entirely sympathize with both Matt and Ben's opinion on this. It was something great from my childhood that is corny and lame now that Disney has ruined my love for it.
I love Andrew, but he wrote the screenplay for One Missed Call. I don’t consider him an authority on films quality.
I LOVE ❤ all
Star Wars
Anyone don’t like that
TOUGH