The Last Jedi vs. The Acolyte: Which one do you think is "better"?
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This is like asking which method of torture I'd rather suffer through
So why is a video made about these 2?
"Do you want to eat from the garbage, or skip the middle part and slurp straight from the toilet?" This question in a nutshell.
So does it even need to be asked?
I asked an 8ball if Disney Star Wars will ever improve. It laughed at me.
Acolyte did less harm. We can simply ignore it. Kinda hard to ignore what they did to Luke in The Last Jedi.
Exactly! 100% agree.
Only because nobody watched it, but in facts its worse i think. Anakin is no longer special, any rando force user can make babies out of thin air now.
@@Nartanek acolyte is worse than TLJ in everyday. worse for canon and also worse writing. acolyte had the best on screen lightsaber battles in new cannon though. everything else was pure shit. and it sucks because it didn't have to be there were interesting ideas but never came to fruition on screen
It did less damage because so few people saw it
@@NattyPi Disagree strongly on the Acolyte lightsaber battles. They were flashy and visually pretty, but that only distracts from the poor choreography and cinematography. From randomly fluctuating power levels (how strong/skilled a given character is and what they can accomplish against others) to shots clearly showing a "dodge" from a strike that was ten feet off target, they are terrible screen fights. TLJ throne room terrible.
There’s no better. Just less shitty.
One was a terminal diagnosis, the other was doctor calling time of death.
My personal headcanon is that the Acolyte is an in-universe propaganda film made by the Empire. After Palpatine became Emperor he ordered the Imperial Media Division to create a slew of revisionist history/ propaganda films that would retell key moments in history to make the Jedi look evil and make the Sith look like good guys. The Acolyte was their first film and after Palpatine saw it, he hated it so much that he canceled all the other projects and had Vader, "take care of" the film makers
Up next, Train wreck vs airliner crash!
The Last Jedi. Because at least it tricked us into watching it. And Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher were in it.
That's your classic "Kobayashi Maru".
pick your demise,the Iron Maiden or the Rack 😓
The Acolyte... Only because they didn't destroy any legacy characters.. the faintest of praise... Also without the abomination that is the Last Jedi. There is NO WAY 'The Acolyte' doesn't even happen!!
It's like asking if you prefer a poo sandwich on white bread, or wheat. Being that the filling is poo, the type of bread doesn't matter, does it???
My thought exactly. I do not wish to eat either, nor do i wish to watch either.
Laughed
Both are terrible
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Ah, man. You beat me to it.
But yeah, they both suck.
This is the way
Then why keep talking about them! Why not talk about the "good" star wars?
@@Thed538dhskWe use to talk about them all the time when that’s all there was. Now there is this. So we talk about what we are currently getting.
I belive that if we got a decent sequel trilogy, and fans was mostly okey with it. I don't think the Acolyte would have divided the fan base and gotten fans to leave the franchise. So Last Jedi is definitely worse.
Acolyte is also just a story that doesn't really mean anything
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I would rather watch the Last Jedi.
that's like asking which shit was better. the one after taco bell or the one after indian food
-The Last Jedi is like bowl of ground beef and chocolate ice cream. There is some good stuff in there: some pleasant spoonfuls to be found, but the power of subversion alone won’t wash the taste of coco-beef out of your mouth.
-The Acolyte is like a bowl of dirt with some blue, green, yellow and red sprinkles.
Oh I thought we were comparing Rey to Osha
Answer is still "Both suck".
to be honest i’ve never seen 1 ep of acolyte and never will i stopped star warsing after 8 and refuse to accept any and all disney material as canon
Trash vs garbage. I consumed trash (TLJ) but I didn't even bother with garbage (the acolyte)
Which one was better? The question should be: which made you more sick of Disney Star Wars?
Last Jedi was the breaking point. Lucasfilm/Disney attacking fans for years was bad enough but making a Anti-Star Wars movie killed it
@Ihavethetouch Disney attacking fans was the biggest blow to Disney SW. You never attack the fans, you don't attack the people who pay for your merch, buy tickets etc. That is the most stupid thing they could have done but they did it because of what? Disney killed Star Wars, KK killed SW but nobody will take the blame. The people who used to pay for tickets etc. will be the enemy. I don't give a .... I decided to vote with my wallet, like most people did, and show Disney the middle finger
@@Ihavethetouch my original reply has been hidden. I agree with you
Unlike The Last Jedi, where I dislike all of the characters, I actually like Sol, but I’d overall say that The Acolyte is worse, mainly because of how contrived it was.
For example, the Sith were so close to being exposed, and all Sol had to say over his hologram communicator is two words: “Sith returned.” But Sol never says this, and Bazil sabotages him because that’s literally his only function in this story; he does nothing else except for fill a contrivance.
I know that the Sith cannot be revealed in this show because the that contradicts the Sith disappearing for hundreds of years before The Phantom Menace, which this show is a prequel to, but that just raises the question of why have this mostly disconnected show with very few pre-established characters take place here in the timeline instead of far earlier? You didn’t need Vernestra or Yoda or Ki-Adi Mundi in this show because it could’ve been set far earlier in the timeline, and Vernestra could’ve just been an entirely different character.
Also, though I dislike the characters in TLJ more, Osha and Mae are such bland leads. They have no personality aside from one being good and the other being (somewhat) bad. Their relationship is supposed to be a big factor into this series, but I can’t find myself caring at all.
I have to agree with you Thor. I think The Acolyte is worse than The Last Jedi. Mainly because I would rather have something that makes some decent points but isn't what Star Wars necessarily should be, instead of something that looks like Star Wars but is opposite of what Star Wars should be. This is of course my opinion and if anyone likes The Last Jedi and The Acolyte or prefers The Acolyte over The Last Jedi, good for you. I am happy you are able to enjoy something from Star Wars that I did not.
The thing with the Last Jedi is on paper i understand what it was trying to do, it just did it incompetently. Acolyte on the other hand just baffles me. There are so many moments where i just have no idea what the show wants me to think because there are so many contradicting messages and ideas
This. TLJ, for all its flaws, is still my favorite of the sequels. It had the best ideas of the three movies and my favorite moments (Luke/Yoda, throne room, and Luke vs. first order). A lot of it also looked gorgeous. The Acolyte doesn't really have redeemable qualities, except maybe the forest fight and a willingness to kill major characters. The ideas were the worst part. In the scene where Osha kills Sol, every audio and visual que indicates that the show wants us not just to sympathize with Osha, but actually side with her. It all stems from Headland's confused morality and her latching onto the Sith ideals of freedom and power, twisting them to match her real-world politics. She perceives herself as a persecuted queer person and she wants the power to live her life free from judgement, etc. That's all well and good, but then with The Acolyte she suggests that the solution is to TURN EVIL about it, lol. And of course, for this idea to work she has to make the Jedi the bad guys, another tired trope that she isn't capable of conveying convincingly. It's all just completely ass backwards. The show's biggest takeaway is that Lesyle needs therapy forever.
Poll: Diarrhea vs Vomit
Cinematography of TLJ is better. Diving into other aspects (writing, direction, story, lore) for Acolyte would be like diving into a toxic sewer…. diving into the same for TLJ would be like diving into a pool of needles. Don’t wanna go there.
Last jedi started the downfall the official downfall and the acolyte was the nail in the coffin so honestly we could point to last jedi as the Genesis of all that is wrong current Star Wars and the acolyte is the culmination of all that is wrong with current Star Wars
Acolyte have some cool lightsaber fight at least. I dont find a lot to enjoy in last jedi.
Cinematically and visually, The Last Jedi absolutely blows The Acolyte out of the water. I hate the movie with a passion but you cannot deny that it did look great at some point. Story and lore wise I'm not sure which is worse though, probably The Acolyte because they already had the failure of The Last Jedi as a template of what not to do and still did it anyway.
There were basic concepts in the TLJ story that had merit, but the detailed execution was trash. For example, there are many ways to have Hermit Luke that the fans would have generally accepted, but they chose none of them because the point was to tear down a legacy rather than to explore a character losing his way.
They could just said: I don't believe in the force anymore.
But I do know someone who may be.
These tools have only made me scared that others may find themselves all alone with no other ways to defeat it than to cut down the light in the darkness.
Especially since I became afraid and that fear is why the entire galaxy is afraid of Kylo Ren.
Hey Thor I have a similar question to this what do you think is worse being shot or being stabbed by a knife (assuming neither is a fatal wound).
I was stabbed once and I have to say it sucks. Never been shot but I hear it sucks too.
These comments are truly hilarious 😆
This is like asking diarrhea or vomiting
Personally, I think The Acolyte is the better of the two stories. The Last Jedi was a character assassination of Luke Skywalker and also undermined the characters of Finn, Poe Dameron and Smoke. The Acolyte made the Jedi the villains and glorified the Sith. However, it tried to be its own story rather than taking the main characters of the Skywalker Saga and deconstructing them. Plus not building on the plot points The Force Awakens introduced. That's my gripe with Rian Johnson. Last Jedi's saving grace is that Luke comes to his senses and sacrifices his life so that the heroes can escape. The Acolyte could have worked if they made it clear that the Jedi are good but flawed while emphasizing that the Sith are still villains. Perhaps making the Witches a dark side worshipping cult rather than some new religion would have underlined their connections to Snoke. Comparing these two stories is like comparing a dried up pizza with cereals without milk.
It's like asking if plague is better than disentery...
At least the last jedi had spectacle. As stupid as it was in hindsight, the "Holdo Maneuver" was pretty cool to see in theaters.
this question is demonic lmao
The Last Jedi gave us Mauler’s unbridled rage video
The last Jedi easily. In terms of story it’s the best we can get of the sequels.
He misspelled Qimir.
at least the last jedi made some money
On a purely technical level, TLJ is somewhat better. It and the Acolyte are both contrived stories that don't know how to develop their characters or even be internally consistent, but TLJ is at least more of a coherent story.
Now, if you take into account the character assassination of the OT heroes, the lost potential of the new cast, and the lasting damage to the setting and TLJ is so much worse.
Seeing the title I thought about it and I started thinking about the Southpark episode "Douche and Turd" and the 2 options presented there (although I only remember the German names). And I think TLJ and The Acolyte are perfectly represented by these 2. But I honestly have to go with TLJ after thinking about it. The implications of The Acolyte are just too bad. And I at least had some fun after walking out of the theater back than, unlike with The Acolyte
They're both as bad as each other, but I would still say The Last Jedi is the one that did more harm to the franchise and was the catalyst for the fanbase losing interest in it.
The last jedi by far lol. as much as i hate the sequel trilogy its ironically the best of the 3 somehow.
That's like asking 'which would you rather have cancer or AIDS?'
Acolyte had the best lightsaber duels in recent years.
The Last Jedi was your death.
The Acolyte is your coffin.
"Would you rather eat horse poop or cow poop?"
That reminds of when before The Last Jedi came out, Film Theory had the idea that it might end with Rey deciding to join Kylo, striking down Luke. That didn't happen, but the Finale of The Acolyte kinda was the same idea. Funny coincidence
There wouldn't be an acolyte without the last jedi.
The Rise of Skywalker is easily worse than both.
I honestly didn't know think the acolyte deserved the sheer amount of hate it got.
Granted, it wasnt great, it just wasn't as bad as everyone mwde out imo.
I'd Still only give it about 2.5/5 but i dont think it was awful.
Disney's really got us in a race for last place with this one
When I saw this I thought "DOWN THE TOILET AND INTO THE BOWLS OF THE EARTH! 🤬💩🚽"
Being fully honest The Acolyte is a thousand times worse than the Last Jedi I feel like I could at least watch the Last Jedi in the background but I can not and will not watch the Acolyte again because it was just bad and was far more insulting than the Last Jedi
I wish they didn’t bring in writers with an axe to grind. Being someone who wants to tell a good story in the shared universe. If you can’t play nicely with others, write your own standalone story and get a studio to produce the movie.
Ah, the old "Douche or Turd Sandwich" delima...
Considering that the Last Jedi only crapped on Luke as a character, and Acolyte crapped on the Jedi as a whole...i'd go with the Acolyte being worse. I haven't delved into the Last Jedi as deep, but I found 29 contradictions in just the first episode of Acolyte to not only the lore, but the lore within the show itself. Several of the cast (including the director) also began bashing the fans, which, to my knowledge didn't happen with any of the cast from the Last Jedi. Combine those with the Acolyte plans for crapping on the Sith legacy as well in the now canceled S2...Acolyte gets my award for "worst".
Who care about Star Wars anymore by the time Acolyte came out? From the get-go we all knew it was going to be terrible, Last Jedi at least had trailers that made you excited.
@ihavethetouch I care about Star Wars. Always will. In that regard...I guess I am more like who Luke represented. Sorry that you don't.
I thought one of the stupidest things is Qimir. It felt like Leslye planned for him to be a sith. Maybe an apprentice to Plagueis.
But what we got was a wannabe sith that exposed the sith still existing. I didn't feel that Plagueis was sneaking on Qimir to train him.. I think he was there to kill him before he revealed their secret
The Acolyte is disconnected enough to be ignored entirely, yes its objectively lower quality in every regard.
The Last jedi is regardless of how much we hate it connected to the main movies and can't be removed (unless you ignore Disney cannon entirely) it ruined what could have been and slandered old and new characters. The Acolyte is almost 100% self contained and doesn’t impact the rest of the universe.
come on. Somebody must have made that Poe scene with either a canned laugh from a 90's sitcom or, better yet, the ending theme from Seinfeld. That should be the default clip ;-)
Seems a bit unfair to compare a movie and a TV show since there's plenty to account for between them with their creative processes, lengths, etc.
8 episodes at like 20 minutes a pop isnt really that long. I dont recall how long TLJ was but it isnt 160 minutes long either... but it feels like it.
Oh wait TLJ was 234 minutes long.
Me when Disney was buying Star Wars: "This cannot be happening! This has to be a dream!"
The question isn't which is better, but which isn't less worse
One was fissure to the foundations of SW. The other was a fire through the inside 😂
Garbage is garbage if you ask me to choose one pile of garbage over another I simply wouldn’t choose at all.
LOL! Asking which poo smells worse...
I'm glad that we live in a world where we dont have to make this choice because there are another 60+ years worth of other films and content that have been made.
Asking which is better is like having a finger painting contest at a kindergarten and judging the artistic realism. Let's face it, AI was writing better stories in 2010.
I haven't seen acolyte, but I can tell you it doesn't even matter. Acolyte didn't do the damage to the main story that The Last Jedi did. NO MATTER HOW BAD Acolyte is, it doesn't matter because it didn't actively dismantle a beloved story. So Acolyte is better by that standard.
The Last Jedi. It's not even close.
That's my favorite movie from the Sequel trilogy.
You are Kathleen Kennedy, and I claim my five pounds.
Do we have to choose one of them?? That’s like trying to pick between two piles of crap. You just wind up choosing the pile that has the prettiest flies buzzing around.
Hilarious 😂!!! I would never have thought to ask this question.
The Last Jedi looked spectacular, if nothing else. It also had some funny lines.
My thoughts are that if The Last Jedi was a story on its own and none of the characters were people we knew and loved, we might think of it differently.
My biggest complaint about the movie is that it’s the penultimate chapter to a story that is disinterested in the rest of the story around it. Everything before? Garbage, toss it! Everything after? Why would I set anything up???
It’s not that it’s not an interesting story (well Canto Bight was just awful regardless) but just really out of place. But the actions of the characters within the movie make sense for each character to do.
The Acolyte treated actions like duct tape. “Why did this happen??” “Because… look over there!!” (Runs away).
I’ve never seen the acolyte, nor am I so I can’t really make a list comparing the two, their pluses and minuses, so I’d have to go with which did more harm to the franchise. Both stepped away from the tale of good versus evil to try and tell a subversive story, both did it badly or so it would seem, both damaged the viewership of the Star Wars project that followed it but in the end it simply has to be The Last Jedi! It fractured the fan base and has left permanent divides, the acolyte was simply ignored by the once vast Star Wars fan base and will be forgotten as soon as mainstream media stops talking about it. The last Jedi will always be remembered divisively, it will be remembered by whole generations with this black cloud over it, either by those who hate it or those angry at the ones who hated it, the acolyte is better simply because it’s completely disposable and will be forgotten in 3, 2, … So what are we talking about?
Somehow the Acolyte never came back.
This is an excellent take Thor.
Acolyte overall probably did less damage overall, but that’s because TLJ had already made a mess of
The real question is if Rise of Skywalker or The Acolyte is worse. The Last Jedi has some big plot developments I don't like but it's a competently made movie.
I don’t like The Last Jedi, but The Acolyte achieved a whole new level of garbage I didn’t know was possible.
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... I hate to say it but I honestly think The Acolyte might be better for ME just because of the "so bad it's good" quality and the fact that... as awful as it is, it was someones vision and not rewritten by so many different people it has no point. Wow. That was a tough question.
Agreed.
I unfortunately choose the Acolyte. Last Jedi ruined a legacy.
Last Jedi had a more coherent story at least but it definitely had a far, far more negative impact as everybody was still very optimistic about SW until we got those Luke scenes, Acolyte was just the final nail in the coffin
The Last Jedi - at least - had noble messages, even if they didn't really get across. Fight to save what we love, not to destroy what we hate. Do not forget the past, but do not be beholden to it either. War is kind of a mug's game because war profiteering is alive and well. You may think you're no-one, but you can choose to be someone. Even if I'm no fan of the movie, I know what it was trying to say and I understand.
The Acolyte, not so much; it asks a question of fault and accountability, but its' actual answer, and message, is... a bit more unclear. Despite its' aesthetics, there is something dingy and cruel about it - it lacks that Star Wars feel for me.
The acolyte was great!
The moral of the story in the Last Jedi is much better than in the Acolyte, so I'll go with that. Issues aside, TLJ represents that while a dark sider like Ben Solo can appear to take morally correct actions, in the end they will unjustly desire power over others. Meanwhile, the moral of the Acolyte is that those who commune with the dark side are justified in doing so, because it is just another interpretation of the force. Nah, the Acolyte completely bastardizes what the Sith represent, and with all of the faults TLJ has it is commendable that it doesn't try to conclude that the Sith or dark sider users deserve sympathy or allies for what they truly represent.
That's a hard one... The Last Jedi ruined any potential for the future of Star Wars they turned Finn into a joke, crap all over Luke Skywalker before killing him, they made Rey the ultimate mary sue, they killed off Snoke and removed all his mystery and potential. The lightsaber fight sucked.
The acolytes had some of the worst writting, character motivation, moral value, and acting I have ever seen from a star wars project. But at least there was some nice lightsaber fight and no major character was really ruined. For that reason Iight say the acolyte is not as bad, but its still some of the worst star wars thing ever release
Last Jedi, hands down
Never watched the Acolyte BECAUSE of the Last Jedi.
it’s like comparing a Pacer to a Yugo,both are unappealing 😬
"Better"? The Acolyte, hands down. The Last Jedi opened with Luke just tossing a very important lightsaber over his shoulder like he could care less. Lost me immediately. Visually stunning, but already lost a fan 5 minutes in. The Acolyte has a great story that wasn't told well. The Sith biding their time in the shadows is EXACTLY how that would've went down.
I saw the title and laughed out loud, man. This is how far we’ve fallen, comparing mid 🤦🏻♂️maybe one day we’ll get a quality show (andor season 2 🤞🏻
Just to watch, on its own, Last Jedi without a doubt. Doesn’t mean it isn’t apocalyptically awful. As Star Wars, maybe the Acolyte because it did less harm to the franchise.
My real answer is neither. But if I had to choose I would pick The Last Jedi over The Acolyte.
The acolyte by far. I never hated the sequel characters. Also it's a fun ride, and looks good. Acolyte is just a lore breaking, CW looking mess.
LTJ is the worst movie ever made, then again, the Acoshyte is the worst tv show ever made...
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They are both equally terrible.
I'll never not be annoyed by how much TLJ paved the way for Sequels mishandling. But The Acolyte, it's just a flat-out mistake that sunk the franchise to a new low.