Fire Queen
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- A film about "Fire Queen", currently at Aberystwyth Railway Museum. I've now been told that Fire Queen is not the oldest surviving narrow gauge locomotive...that title belongs to The Pays de Waes, a preserved tank locomotive built in 1844, which is part of the historical collection of the National Railway Company of Belgium (SNCB), on display at Train World. It is reputed to be the oldest preserved locomotive on the European continent.
So Fire queen was pipped to the post by four years!
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Thank you to the photographers and writers that made this video possible:
Keith Jaggers
Hefin Owen
Jeff Buck
Steve Knight
Charles Watson
A R Etherington
Tom Parnell
Smabs Sputzer
Grace's Guide
J Mitchell
Royal Library/Dave Mills
Amgueddfa Cymru
Allelys Haulage
The Vale of Rheidol Railway
Music by The Westerlies
Excellent video, went to the remote shed site before Fire Queen moved but could not see much, an incredible survival considering how much heritage was being destroyed around that period
Thanks👍 yes, the loco is an incredible survivor… the sixties was a very bad time for heritage, as you say, so much was lost. Still, we have Fire Queen. Thanks for your comment👍
Fascinating! Never even heard of this before, so quite the eye opener. Thank you.
Thank you! Really pleased that you enjoyed this👍
I grew up in Gravesend and used to visit my nan in Northfleet. Fire Queen was familiar to me though I have never seen her other than photos. My dad worked at an engineering firm next to the cement works at the bottom of that lane you show on the map. Horlocks is still present in Northfleet as there is an undertakers of that name on The Hill by St Botolphs church.
Thank you for your fascinating comment👍I wonder about that Horlock connection. It’s pretty cool that his house still stands, there might be some mileage in researching further into the man for another video. Very interesting that you grew up there, too. I wonder if the engineering firm your Dad worked at was near to the Northfleet ironworks? Thanks again for the comment!👍
Excellent piece. Thank you.
Thanks for listening👍
never knew the Whole story of Fire Queen, thanks for telling it, and please keep up the good work
Thank you, I’m really glad you enjoyed the video👍
I loved the narration. I have subscribed to this channel.
Thank you for subscribing, and for the kind words👍
Fascinating and a view of the Welsh Narrow gauge not seen before. However, I had heard of `Fire Queen` before, that just maybe will prompt me to visit Devils Bridge and thus travel the Vale of Rheidol railway??
Just to visit `Fire Queen`?
Thank you, take care.
Thank you! I’m so glad that you enjoyed the video. Yes, I think Aberystwyth is worth a visit just for the museum alone. Or you can go to the Welsh slate museum in a year or so and she’ll be in her new home there. I’ll make a video about that when it happens.Thanks for your kind comment👍
Thankfully it was SAVED!!
Yes, I agree, that was a bit of a miracle! Thanks for your comment👍
I'd never heard about fire queen until now
Glad to learn the history of this funky locomotive!
Really pleased that you enjoyed the vid, thanks👍
Excellent shot, Like
Thank you👍
If Assheton-Smith owned steam yachts, is it not possible that he was previously familiar with Horlock through that? The familiar name idea is more fun though :))
Yes, I wondered about that… Keith Jaggers had a study of A-S’s associations with Horlock and Crampton, but drew a blank. It was his suggestion about the link through foxhunting, like you, I think it has legs😂👍
In your picture of the Jenny Lidd that's him sitting on the back of the engine
I had to go and have a look… that’s amazing! I wish I’d known that👍
Great video! However, she’s not the oldest preserved narrow gauge locomotive:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pays_de_Waes_(locomotive)
Thanks for the clarification- I wish I’d said “probably” now! So Fire Queen is the second oldest narrow gauge loco in Europe… wow! Pays de Waes is fascinating… now I’m going to have to make a film about that. Thank you so much for the information.👍
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if fire queen and ever other locos around the world were sentients they would be telling us whats its like when they were working
What a wonderful thought! I wish, I wish…👍
@@iainrobinson6566 question what is your favorite north american locos?
@@jeffreymonroe4776 Probably a Maine two-footer, one of the Forney types.
@@iainrobinson6566 my favorite locomotive is California western #46 she's a 2-6-6-2 mallet and my favorite British loco is the lnwr super d
An extremely long wheelbase for an 0-4-0, and an interesting story about such an early industrial engine.
Glad you found the story interesting, she certainly was a long legged beast!👍
yeah given how long the wheelbase is i couldn't tell if the engine was an 0-4-0 or a 2-0-2
@@Lampironstudios215 The pistons being between the wheels also makes it look like a single, on the overwhelming majority of locomotives with outside cylinders the pistons are at least partially in front of the first driven axle. Having the pistons between the axles oddly resembles a diesel or electric jackshaft locomotive.
I never realized fire queen was a crampton!
Yes, it was that early…Fire Queen is an astonishing survivor. Thanks for the comment👍
Great historical video. Thanks for creating and sharing this.👍
I’m very pleased that you enjoyed it, thanks for your comment👍
I been there and see it a few weeks ago and the slate qurry about 2 months ago
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"Boyd's superb work" immediately followed by "his story doesn't tally up with the facts". Hmmm...
Hi, Dan. Boyd was well known for his discrepancies, wasn’t he. It’s still a superb work. Perhaps I could have phrased things a little better though😊
@@iainrobinson6566 I was gently pulling your leg :-) But, the more I read Boyd, the worse his work looks. I wrote a couple of articles about the Penrhyn, and his book on that railway is sadly just awful. Hey ho.
@@DanQuine Thanks, Dan😊It’s a shame, all those gorgeous maps and diagrams… all that work. But yes, there’s no place for slipshod research in what is supposed to be a learned tome. Not that I can speak😅 must have been depressing to encounter dissonances with your research on the Penrhyn.
I've seen images of Fire Queen online, and she's one unique locomotive. I saw someone on UA-cam built a live steam model of her, which was awesome. Her long wheelbase makes her like a steam wagon
Yes, I’ve seen that video, it’s a superb model. That’s a good point you make about the steam wagon, that wheelbase is … different! Thanks for your comment👍
Fascinating video and historical account. Thank you.
I saw Fire Queen a remarkable survivor, and numerous other locos including theLNWR Coal Tank at Penrhyn Castle.
I’m really pleased that you enjoyed the video, it was fascinating (and frustrating 😂) to put together.Fire Queen is really special, I can’t wait to see her in her new home. The coal tank is one of my favourite locos, along with the ex L&Y Barton Wright tank. I never saw it at Penrhyn, sadly. Thanks very much for your comment.
It surprised me thought hanging the running gear off the boiler was a good idea.
Thanks... yes, it works with traction engines, but the stresses on the more powerful rail locomotive where the running gear connects directly to the wheels rather than to a crank and flywheel arrangement does lead to some dissonance and differential expansion... hence the con rods bending. But it did work well enough. It'd be interesting to find out how the Cramptons on the continent fared. Thanks for your comment!
@@iainrobinson6566 I was thinking of the shock through the slack in couplings etc. Railways are smoother that roads. But higher loadings etc. mean that shocks are transmitted with more impact. I just saw joints and seams being worked excessively.
We are taking our mum to re see her engine for her 80th Birthday in February. We haven't visited the Fire Queen for over 50 years.
I hope she has a lovely day, it will be an emotional reunion for you all 😍As you can see from my video, Fire Queen is very well cared for!
Alfred Horlock was my great great grandfather.
It must be amazing to be able to say that… a direct line from one of the original masters of industry. Thanks for your comment👍
Great video absolutely fascinating story. Just subscribed to your channel.
Thank you so much, I’m really pleased that you enjoyed the video👍