One little detail I love about the Constellation class is that the impulse engines are just two Constitution class impulse engines pulled off and strapped to the side. REALLY shows how it was an attempt to bridge older, reliable technology to the modern experimental stuff, and was not keeping up.
Of all the designs called Stargazer, my favourite is the Constellation. I do wonder what the new Stargazer's first officer thought of Seven being promoted ahead of them
If they were still an inexperienced first officer, they might not have minded all that much. I would bet such situations vary greatly depending on ship and crew.
There is another reference to the name STARGAZER in real history. The Stargazer is a modified Lockheed L-1011. It first flew in 1974, but was modified in 1994 as an airborne rocket launching platform for the Pegasus rocket. It would later be used as a launch platform for the X-34 hypersonic rocket. The real life Stargazer got it's name from Star Trek. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargazer_(aircraft)
Well there was also the Stargazer Gundam from Gundam Seed Destiny movie Stargazer. would have been hilarious if a model of both the aircraft and the Gundam were in the Captain's ready room.
You know, I sort of get a maybe-coincidental impression of a pattern where four-nacelle ships maybe make sense as a transitional design between generations of ships, say, you often want that for an improvement on a perfected engine design or as the first version of a new one, either way they keep doing them and keep seeming to move away from them again. (Also that new Stargazer just looks great, whatever you think. :) )
Aye. Makes sense that as you get to the end of one technology you start adding more, instead of tweaking the technology for improvements… However I reckon the four nacelle design was intended to give it reliability. You only need two nacelles to form a warp bubble. With four nacelles you have options to prolong its time on duty before its coils need replacing…. Either by running the nacelles at half power to spread the load, or running two on, two off. Even if you lose two nacelles you don’t need to call in for a tow as the ship is still warp capable. It’s a good front line ship where support is far away. Enterprise may have pushed the frontier, but it should have had an infrastructure being setup behind it to support its mission to expand explored territories. When you don’t have that support behind a ship, not to mention the class is old enough to have the bugs worked out, the Stargazer could be more independent. Only needing resupply.
I always Figured 4 NACELLS MEANT ZZZZZZZZZOOOOOOOMIE TIME!! LIKE -FLY HER APART THEN‼️‼️‼️ AND COME IN WITH BLASTERS PHASERS PHOTONS HOTTTTT‼️TO SAVE THE DAY!! Every ship is its own entity Its Own Adventures We JUST GOT TO SEE SOME OVER OTHERS SO ITS UNDERSTANDABLE HOW SOME SHIPS ARE COMPLETELY UNHEARD OF IN WHISPERED CORRIDORS OF TIME!
Am I the only one who thinks that the Stargazer Class ship is the best looking one of the bunch? It just looks sleeker and more muscular than the others.
The little "extra bits" on these sort of kitbashed models, like the domes on the ventral side of the saucer, actually work really well with the Constellation's apparent troubled development - they imply that there were things added after the original design that just didn't fit properly into the original sleek lines, like how you see excessively crowded masts on late WWII ships with the addition of radars, fire control systems, and anti aircraft guns
Hey!! Do a video on the badges!!! I wanna know for sure what all the tiny logos in the middle stand for & how they might have changed over time. All the way from sewn in to the com badge & the pips & stuff even the bands on the end of the sleeves & all that... maybe a whole uniform video!!! Please, please, please!!!
He covers the rank insignia in “Starfleet Ranks & Duties”, and the combadges in “Communicators and Combadges”, both a few years ago. Perhaps an update might be worth it though?
@@kaitlyn__L thank you. I watched thoughs(maybe all of his ST videos) but more focus on the little logos in the badges & all the dif. ways the uniform(s) communicate rank or job would be nice too. Im sure I could look them up, but I would enjoy seeing the info in video format like I can only get here 🖖😎
I've watched the Picard series and I should point out one thing. The new borg queen was Dr Geratti and she was crewed with the captain before they got sent back in time because of Q. She had access codes to that ship before she became queen and when they returned, the queen already had the codes to break into the ship and therefore able to access the fleet from there.
Would Agnes Jurati have access to those command codes though? She was not actually a member of the crew and was just there to try and decipher the signal coming out of the anomaly
@@robinburt5735 She would of have special access because of the trusted relationship with the captain. Also after the android opening a wormhole incident, bet she got top phrases from starfleet because of her knowledge of the androids and help in peaceful negotiations with the androids. She had her own access to anything on the ship and with borg technology was able to access the computer core without warning and take over its system including communications. That way it can transmit a borgifide virus to the rest of the fleet.
Also she would have to be on probation from starfleet whe she killed the creator of the android race using Data's memory files found that was Data in a word soul.
@@Architect357 Right, but command codes are exactly that, only by the Captain and in eventuality first and maybe second officers. Whilst Rios trusted her i would be very doubtful that she would know them
I appreciate that they made the 25th Century Stargazer the NCC-82893 rather than 2893-A or -B or something. Sticking letters on the end of the registry as a reference to the original ship has started to kind of run away with itself, in my opinion.
Any idea why some ships use two vs four nacelles - What the relative advantages and disadvantages are that causes the Federation to oscelate between two and four nacelle designs? And those occasional 3 nacelle designs such as the Niagra class?
There's no canon reason I know of, but I like to imagine that four nacelles reduces wear-and-tear on the propulsion system, giving the vessel greater endurance and allowing it to run longer missions between visits to the drydock. This would be impractical for anything other than a long-range explorer, which is why we don't see it as often.
Anything I look into would be beta canon content, but we know nacelle size played a role in warp factor before they managed to start working around that. See Mirror Trip Tucker's reaction to the Constitution class for that. Then profile mattered more, which is why ships started getting slimmer and streamlined. Could be more nacelles was just an messy way to attain higher warp factors for longer?
@@CertifiablyIngame Ps, Anton Manning I think is only in the Vulcan's Heart novel, and that may not be explicit about him commanding Stargazer - though he was Picard's CO, in that sequence (set in 2329) I tend to assume the Stargazer launched sometime in the 2280s, and got refit by 2326, for now. Picard said that in even his time it was sometimes on the brink of falling apart, suggesting a fairly elderly ship.
@@lucky-segfaultyou only need two nacelles. But with four nacelles and two complete warp cores, you can operate long-term, using one system, then switching to the other while the first is refit. Voyager was going to take 70 years to go 70,000 light years. That somewhere around Warp 6.5. She’s capable of Warp 9.9, but not for years at a time without frequent layovers in Spacedock. Ironically, Janeway and crew would have been much better off if they’d been stranded in the Delta Quad with a Constellation Class starship.
Poor Constellation class. I think it was exactly what it looks like: in a time before large-scale replication, it was an attempt to squeeze more performance out of Constitution and Miranda-class tooling and subassemblies. The Excelsior, by contrast, had a ton of new tech at the time and very little carryover from the earlier ships. That would mean both retraining for crews, and a bottleneck in early production. and possibly component quality issues. The Constitution/Miranda systems, by contrast, were already in service and production for the vast bulk of the fleet, and crews knew them well. So there was almost certainly a push from the San Francisco Fleet Yards to effectively sandwich two Constitution refits together to make the Constellation class. Unfortunately, that doesn't work much better than welding two airplanes together, and it was fraught with problems, while the Excelsior quickly proved itself the much more reliable design and took over the bulk of front-line duties for Starfleet.
What i like most about the Constellation design is the reasonably thick and roomy looking saucer section/main hull. It doesn't look streamlined but quite rugged and practical for a federation design.
Streamlining doesn't make much difference in space, but it seems like a not-streamlined ship profile would cause more damage to subspace. But I guess that wasn't known to be a concern until later. I agree with you about the Constellation's appearance though. It just looks like a workhorse of a ship, like a space pickup truck. But does it really have six shuttlebays?
@@daveh7720 That's my main gripe with federation ship designs: they all often look unnecessary sleek and aerodynamic at the cost of usable interior space. If you just make the saucer sections shaped more like a puck than a frisbee (like the Constellation), you could reduce them in size considerably while retaining and maximizing usable interior space. Which in turn benefits structural integrity. As does getting rid of the separate engineering section and connecting neck. The gentle slopes and relatively thin edges on most of the saucer sections are impractical in so many ways and really only serve aesthetic purposes.
@@daveh7720 seven! You can count the doors as the model rotates (or just trust the numbers printed on them lol). You can see the hull extends beyond the Connie saucer, I guess they just decided to wrap around what would’ve been the secondary hull.
My Head Canon for 4 Nacelle design. Efficiency: Finer control over warp bubble allowing greater efficiency and endurance for long range flights. Assuming increasing warp factor takes a greater engine output than maintaining it similar to Newtonian inertia, once a desired warp factor is achieved 2 nacelles could be taken offline in a similar manor to modern high performance engines are setup to reduce the number of cylinders fuelled to reduce fuel consumption. Flexibility: Warp field can be better tuned to varied subspace conditions, allowing safer exploration of areas with adverse subspace environments. Similarly running the 4 buzzard collectors but only 2 nacelles could allow the vessel to transit areas with low concentrations of interstellar gasses. Redundancy: Even though given time Starfleet vessels seem to able to repair any level of damage. Thee destruction of a nacelle would be the most problematic. 4 nacelles would give the vessel the ability to still produce a warp field and return to spacedock with two nacelles destroyed or disabled (provided they are not diagonally opposite, even then one nacelle could be detached and moved to pylon with line of sight to another). If in field repairs are necessary having a ready supply of spare parts the additional nacelles represent accelerate repairs. Durability: Part of redundancy and flexibility. It is far less likely to for the diagonally opposite nacelles to be damaged or destroyed by mishap or enemy action, leaving the vessel still able to retreat at warp. A damaged but functional nacelle could potentially still be used at a lower output with the remaining nacelles compensating for the reduced functionality. Higher sustained cruise: Starship Cruise speeds are determined by the warp factor the engines can maintain without unsustainable wear on engine components. 4 nacelles = 1/2 the load per nacelle at a given warp factor to a comparable 2 nacelle design. Reduced transit times: Assuming the entire warp engine system is doubled as it appears to be on the constellation class. One system can maintain a perhaps slightly reduced warp factor while the other is taken offline for repairs/maintenance. Maintaining a higher average warp factor for a long transit. (ships do this).
I always thought that more necelles made better longrange ships. Better fuel efficiency. More Speed at same fuel consumption. Less load on the reactor. More ability to deal with "hard suspace terrain". Even some redundancy in case one necelle is damaged or lost.
My thought is if a nacelle or two is damaged or otherwise not working, you still have two, reducing the risk of getting stranded and/or making in-flight repairs easier to schedule. Two-nacelle designs appear to be superior, which I'd guess for simplicity and reliability, but those are less important compared to repairability without downtime for some mission profiles
Star Trek: it hurts when I pee-card is bad and all ships and characters are here-by erased. Also, the USS Stargazer is given way too much attention; its only clame to fame is that Captain Jean-Luc Picard commanded her. It have made better sense for Star Fleet to scrap the ship once returned from Frangi hands and for the entire class to be decommissioned since the ship fell into enime hands, it should be considered compromised.
Skipped the covert operations! Should be able to find out about it in part on Memory Alpha. But there is still the possibility that the Foreigner sells is able to provide a lower detection of the ship while in Warp. But Picard didn't start doing blackout operations while on the Enterprise. He's been a black op kind of guy for a long time
looking at this art of a young-ish captain picard c2390s/early 24th century, and yknow what, jason isaac would make a really good later-era JLP, with hair, like no joke kinda spot on.
did the federation change the way their warp field works after introducing the variable geometry pylon design of the intrepid class to stop the damage being done to subspace? how does a 4 nacelle design after the intrepid class, with what looks like stationary pylons, fair in this regard?
My understanding is that the variable geometry of the intrepid was a transition design to prevent damage to subspace, and that newer designs didn't need to physically move the nacelles they could just internally manipulate the shape of the warp field. Much faster acting and much less subspace damage than just moving the pylon angle. Think of how if you have one large electromagnet it just creates a magnetic field around it. BUT if you have a whole bunch of electromagnets you can turn some of them on or off, or even reverse the polarity of some of them, and actively change the magnetic field. Think of how a rail gun. Just my understanding. I forget where I read that but it made enough sense to stick with me
Sounds like a video I did on it XD If you look at Voyager's design timeline, the Intrepid would have been nearing completion when the subspace damage was discovered, so my theory was that the hinged nacelles were a last minute alteration while future designs incorporated the changes from the start.
One thing I don’t get is why the Star Trek Picard one doesn’t have the legacy hull number NCC-2893-C I wonder if it has slipstream I also thought one of the Prometheus class was called stargazer ?
please can you talk about the sonic School driver from Doctor Who how does it function das the doctor create on his Sonic School drivers itself I saw the TARDIS one's create one for the doctor and do you think we can have some kind of sonic School drivers in the next fifty years so
The famed tri-crossover between sonic the hedgehog, the magic school bus and doctor who first premiered on August 10 1998. It was a complicated process to organize the three properties into one show which premiered simultaneously on pbs and the bbc.
Yeah the quad missiles is not about long range. Otherwise you would have seen that on all deep space ships. It's for being able to sneak up on people while on patrol or to perform some Black Ops
What did Picard do between a command of the Stargazer in command of the Enterprise? That looks like a eight or nine year gap. Wondering if there's anything in the lore.
The Enteprise was 100% stated to be his next command after it. I’m guessing he just didn’t really have much to do after the court martial… but it’s certainly got room for some other things (like how Sisko was involved in orbital habitat and ship design).
There is a missing years book out there that I included in my non-canonical personnel file of Picard form a couple of years ago. Basically he stepped back and worked for Starfleet Archaeology then the Starfleet threat assessment program for a couple of years where he met many of the people he would go on to recruit for his Enterprise Command.
@@lexington476 Yes, see the novel The Buried Age, by Christopher L. Bennett. It's really good. And it shows the post lost of ship court martial, too. First he takes a leave of absence to join an archaeological expedition (C2358-60) and then returns to aid Starfleet operations.
@@VulpisFoxfire how is that a court martial offense though? You get court martialled for criminal acts. He lost his ship getting surprise attacked by an unknown enemy, that hardly counts. Starfleet is stupid if that's a court martial offense
@@seskal8595 Losing your command *is* a criminal offense in this situation. The court-martial is to determine if it was unavoidable (as it was in this case), or due to poor/stupid/incompetant/criminal actions/responses on the captain's part. It happens in the real-world military as well.
@@VulpisFoxfire that's just weird to me. Of course an investigation is called for it just strikes me as odd to brand it as a court martial. The negative connotations are quite strong
I'm not the only one that thought the Sagan class's design looks less advanced than the other ships in the fleet at this time? It looks out of place as a new design compared to say the Gagarin, Sutherland, Reliant.
No probs about spoilers for Picard mate i would be real surprised if anybody watches that garbage i certainly dont lol. I know you have signed things now and have to bullshit about it being good but i get it. :)
@@CertifiablyIngame Oh sorry mate my bad then i do appologise i thought you had a deal with S.T.O. You are right i did enjoy the 1st few eps of Picard but after that yes was not good to say the least.
One little detail I love about the Constellation class is that the impulse engines are just two Constitution class impulse engines pulled off and strapped to the side. REALLY shows how it was an attempt to bridge older, reliable technology to the modern experimental stuff, and was not keeping up.
Gosh, the Sagan class looks alright, but I REALLY like the Stargazer class from STO.
Of all the designs called Stargazer, my favourite is the Constellation.
I do wonder what the new Stargazer's first officer thought of Seven being promoted ahead of them
If they were still an inexperienced first officer, they might not have minded all that much. I would bet such situations vary greatly depending on ship and crew.
There is another reference to the name STARGAZER in real history.
The Stargazer is a modified Lockheed L-1011. It first flew in 1974, but was modified in 1994 as an airborne rocket launching platform for the Pegasus rocket. It would later be used as a launch platform for the X-34 hypersonic rocket.
The real life Stargazer got it's name from Star Trek.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargazer_(aircraft)
Well there was also the Stargazer Gundam from Gundam Seed Destiny movie Stargazer. would have been hilarious if a model of both the aircraft and the Gundam were in the Captain's ready room.
Also the name of an epic Rainbow song belted out by Dio...
We're still waiting on the USS Holy Diver.
@@Torgo1001 Okay, hear me out...
The USS Since You've Been Gone.
You know, I sort of get a maybe-coincidental impression of a pattern where four-nacelle ships maybe make sense as a transitional design between generations of ships, say, you often want that for an improvement on a perfected engine design or as the first version of a new one, either way they keep doing them and keep seeming to move away from them again.
(Also that new Stargazer just looks great, whatever you think. :) )
Aye. Makes sense that as you get to the end of one technology you start adding more, instead of tweaking the technology for improvements…
However I reckon the four nacelle design was intended to give it reliability. You only need two nacelles to form a warp bubble. With four nacelles you have options to prolong its time on duty before its coils need replacing…. Either by running the nacelles at half power to spread the load, or running two on, two off.
Even if you lose two nacelles you don’t need to call in for a tow as the ship is still warp capable. It’s a good front line ship where support is far away. Enterprise may have pushed the frontier, but it should have had an infrastructure being setup behind it to support its mission to expand explored territories. When you don’t have that support behind a ship, not to mention the class is old enough to have the bugs worked out, the Stargazer could be more independent. Only needing resupply.
@@davfree9732 Well, one presumes there's obvious advantages and tradeoffs to carrying the extras around.
I always Figured 4 NACELLS MEANT ZZZZZZZZZOOOOOOOMIE TIME!!
LIKE -FLY HER APART THEN‼️‼️‼️
AND COME IN WITH BLASTERS PHASERS PHOTONS HOTTTTT‼️TO SAVE THE DAY!!
Every ship is its own entity
Its Own Adventures
We JUST GOT TO SEE SOME OVER OTHERS
SO ITS UNDERSTANDABLE HOW SOME SHIPS ARE COMPLETELY UNHEARD OF IN WHISPERED CORRIDORS OF TIME!
Am I the only one who thinks that the Stargazer Class ship is the best looking one of the bunch? It just looks sleeker and more muscular than the others.
The little "extra bits" on these sort of kitbashed models, like the domes on the ventral side of the saucer, actually work really well with the Constellation's apparent troubled development - they imply that there were things added after the original design that just didn't fit properly into the original sleek lines, like how you see excessively crowded masts on late WWII ships with the addition of radars, fire control systems, and anti aircraft guns
Hey!! Do a video on the badges!!! I wanna know for sure what all the tiny logos in the middle stand for & how they might have changed over time. All the way from sewn in to the com badge & the pips & stuff even the bands on the end of the sleeves & all that... maybe a whole uniform video!!! Please, please, please!!!
He covers the rank insignia in “Starfleet Ranks & Duties”, and the combadges in “Communicators and Combadges”, both a few years ago. Perhaps an update might be worth it though?
@@kaitlyn__L thank you. I watched thoughs(maybe all of his ST videos) but more focus on the little logos in the badges & all the dif. ways the uniform(s) communicate rank or job would be nice too. Im sure I could look them up, but I would enjoy seeing the info in video format like I can only get here 🖖😎
You forgot the Gundam named Stargazer ;)
I've watched the Picard series and I should point out one thing. The new borg queen was Dr Geratti and she was crewed with the captain before they got sent back in time because of Q. She had access codes to that ship before she became queen and when they returned, the queen already had the codes to break into the ship and therefore able to access the fleet from there.
Would Agnes Jurati have access to those command codes though? She was not actually a member of the crew and was just there to try and decipher the signal coming out of the anomaly
@@robinburt5735 She would of have special access because of the trusted relationship with the captain. Also after the android opening a wormhole incident, bet she got top phrases from starfleet because of her knowledge of the androids and help in peaceful negotiations with the androids. She had her own access to anything on the ship and with borg technology was able to access the computer core without warning and take over its system including communications. That way it can transmit a borgifide virus to the rest of the fleet.
Also she would have to be on probation from starfleet whe she killed the creator of the android race using Data's memory files found that was Data in a word soul.
@@Architect357 Right, but command codes are exactly that, only by the Captain and in eventuality first and maybe second officers. Whilst Rios trusted her i would be very doubtful that she would know them
In Voyager for example only Janeway knew the command codes for the ship (and technically the Command version of the doctor hehe)
I appreciate that they made the 25th Century Stargazer the NCC-82893 rather than 2893-A or -B or something. Sticking letters on the end of the registry as a reference to the original ship has started to kind of run away with itself, in my opinion.
I’m looking forward to the Enterprise NCC-1701-ZZ
I more than agree with you. The Enterprise is the only one, in my head cannon.
I hope they confirm that Seven stays in command of the Stargazer when Picard return for its final season
Any idea why some ships use two vs four nacelles - What the relative advantages and disadvantages are that causes the Federation to oscelate between two and four nacelle designs? And those occasional 3 nacelle designs such as the Niagra class?
4 > 2 :. Better
Except when it isnt
There's no canon reason I know of, but I like to imagine that four nacelles reduces wear-and-tear on the propulsion system, giving the vessel greater endurance and allowing it to run longer missions between visits to the drydock. This would be impractical for anything other than a long-range explorer, which is why we don't see it as often.
Anything I look into would be beta canon content, but we know nacelle size played a role in warp factor before they managed to start working around that. See Mirror Trip Tucker's reaction to the Constitution class for that. Then profile mattered more, which is why ships started getting slimmer and streamlined. Could be more nacelles was just an messy way to attain higher warp factors for longer?
@@CertifiablyIngame Ps, Anton Manning I think is only in the Vulcan's Heart novel, and that may not be explicit about him commanding Stargazer - though he was Picard's CO, in that sequence (set in 2329)
I tend to assume the Stargazer launched sometime in the 2280s, and got refit by 2326, for now. Picard said that in even his time it was sometimes on the brink of falling apart, suggesting a fairly elderly ship.
@@lucky-segfaultyou only need two nacelles. But with four nacelles and two complete warp cores, you can operate long-term, using one system, then switching to the other while the first is refit.
Voyager was going to take 70 years to go 70,000 light years. That somewhere around Warp 6.5. She’s capable of Warp 9.9, but not for years at a time without frequent layovers in Spacedock.
Ironically, Janeway and crew would have been much better off if they’d been stranded in the Delta Quad with a Constellation Class starship.
_"Hello, old friend."_
Jean-Luc Picard
Poor Constellation class. I think it was exactly what it looks like: in a time before large-scale replication, it was an attempt to squeeze more performance out of Constitution and Miranda-class tooling and subassemblies. The Excelsior, by contrast, had a ton of new tech at the time and very little carryover from the earlier ships. That would mean both retraining for crews, and a bottleneck in early production. and possibly component quality issues. The Constitution/Miranda systems, by contrast, were already in service and production for the vast bulk of the fleet, and crews knew them well. So there was almost certainly a push from the San Francisco Fleet Yards to effectively sandwich two Constitution refits together to make the Constellation class. Unfortunately, that doesn't work much better than welding two airplanes together, and it was fraught with problems, while the Excelsior quickly proved itself the much more reliable design and took over the bulk of front-line duties for Starfleet.
What i like most about the Constellation design is the reasonably thick and roomy looking saucer section/main hull. It doesn't look streamlined but quite rugged and practical for a federation design.
Streamlining doesn't make much difference in space, but it seems like a not-streamlined ship profile would cause more damage to subspace. But I guess that wasn't known to be a concern until later.
I agree with you about the Constellation's appearance though. It just looks like a workhorse of a ship, like a space pickup truck. But does it really have six shuttlebays?
@@daveh7720 That's my main gripe with federation ship designs: they all often look unnecessary sleek and aerodynamic at the cost of usable interior space.
If you just make the saucer sections shaped more like a puck than a frisbee (like the Constellation), you could reduce them in size considerably while retaining and maximizing usable interior space. Which in turn benefits structural integrity. As does getting rid of the separate engineering section and connecting neck.
The gentle slopes and relatively thin edges on most of the saucer sections are impractical in so many ways and really only serve aesthetic purposes.
@@daveh7720 seven! You can count the doors as the model rotates (or just trust the numbers printed on them lol). You can see the hull extends beyond the Connie saucer, I guess they just decided to wrap around what would’ve been the secondary hull.
Absolutely love the content how do I give you money
My Head Canon for 4 Nacelle design.
Efficiency: Finer control over warp bubble allowing greater efficiency and endurance for long range flights. Assuming increasing warp factor takes a greater engine output than maintaining it similar to Newtonian inertia, once a desired warp factor is achieved 2 nacelles could be taken offline in a similar manor to modern high performance engines are setup to reduce the number of cylinders fuelled to reduce fuel consumption.
Flexibility: Warp field can be better tuned to varied subspace conditions, allowing safer exploration of areas with adverse subspace environments. Similarly running the 4 buzzard collectors but only 2 nacelles could allow the vessel to transit areas with low concentrations of interstellar gasses.
Redundancy: Even though given time Starfleet vessels seem to able to repair any level of damage. Thee destruction of a nacelle would be the most problematic. 4 nacelles would give the vessel the ability to still produce a warp field and return to spacedock with two nacelles destroyed or disabled (provided they are not diagonally opposite, even then one nacelle could be detached and moved to pylon with line of sight to another). If in field repairs are necessary having a ready supply of spare parts the additional nacelles represent accelerate repairs.
Durability: Part of redundancy and flexibility. It is far less likely to for the diagonally opposite nacelles to be damaged or destroyed by mishap or enemy action, leaving the vessel still able to retreat at warp. A damaged but functional nacelle could potentially still be used at a lower output with the remaining nacelles compensating for the reduced functionality.
Higher sustained cruise: Starship Cruise speeds are determined by the warp factor the engines can maintain without unsustainable wear on engine components. 4 nacelles = 1/2 the load per nacelle at a given warp factor to a comparable 2 nacelle design.
Reduced transit times: Assuming the entire warp engine system is doubled as it appears to be on the constellation class. One system can maintain a perhaps slightly reduced warp factor while the other is taken offline for repairs/maintenance. Maintaining a higher average warp factor for a long transit. (ships do this).
I always thought that more necelles made better longrange ships.
Better fuel efficiency. More Speed at same fuel consumption. Less load on the reactor. More ability to deal with "hard suspace terrain". Even some redundancy in case one necelle is damaged or lost.
My thought is if a nacelle or two is damaged or otherwise not working, you still have two, reducing the risk of getting stranded and/or making in-flight repairs easier to schedule.
Two-nacelle designs appear to be superior, which I'd guess for simplicity and reliability, but those are less important compared to repairability without downtime for some mission profiles
The Constellation is one of my favorite designs.
Make it so numba Rick!
Star Trek: it hurts when I pee-card is bad and all ships and characters are here-by erased. Also, the USS Stargazer is given way too much attention; its only clame to fame is that Captain Jean-Luc Picard commanded her. It have made better sense for Star Fleet to scrap the ship once returned from Frangi hands and for the entire class to be decommissioned since the ship fell into enime hands, it should be considered compromised.
Thanks for the video. Would love to see the Romulan plasma weapon from Balance Of Terror/Quality Of Mercy reviewed.
Is it just me or does the STO stargazer actually look a lot like the Sagan class, cool.
It's possible, since Cryptic loaned STO ship models to the production of Picard S2.
So a Starfleet vessel was gifted to Picard and his group of friends to trade about as they will. Even the Enterprise A wasn’t that much of a gift.
Skipped the covert operations! Should be able to find out about it in part on Memory Alpha. But there is still the possibility that the Foreigner sells is able to provide a lower detection of the ship while in Warp. But Picard didn't start doing blackout operations while on the Enterprise. He's been a black op kind of guy for a long time
looking at this art of a young-ish captain picard c2390s/early 24th century, and yknow what, jason isaac would make a really good later-era JLP, with hair, like no joke kinda spot on.
CANNOT UNSEE. O_o
I wish for a STARGAZER show.
did the federation change the way their warp field works after introducing the variable geometry pylon design of the intrepid class to stop the damage being done to subspace?
how does a 4 nacelle design after the intrepid class, with what looks like stationary pylons, fair in this regard?
My understanding is that the variable geometry of the intrepid was a transition design to prevent damage to subspace, and that newer designs didn't need to physically move the nacelles they could just internally manipulate the shape of the warp field. Much faster acting and much less subspace damage than just moving the pylon angle.
Think of how if you have one large electromagnet it just creates a magnetic field around it. BUT if you have a whole bunch of electromagnets you can turn some of them on or off, or even reverse the polarity of some of them, and actively change the magnetic field. Think of how a rail gun.
Just my understanding. I forget where I read that but it made enough sense to stick with me
Sounds like a video I did on it XD If you look at Voyager's design timeline, the Intrepid would have been nearing completion when the subspace damage was discovered, so my theory was that the hinged nacelles were a last minute alteration while future designs incorporated the changes from the start.
I LOVE THIS SHIP!!!
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still mad that we'll never get a Captain Rios/Stargazer show 😠
Wow a ship with advanced sensor suits on patrol sounds realistic
Okay, but if they were rendered warp-inactive by Picard’s time, how did Jean Luc pull off his namesake maneuver?
yeah a mistake there
@@Revkor Could have been a matter of policy rather than physically disabling warp.
@@TrollDecker no mistake. Hathaway was render warp inactive for the wargame test
@@Revkor, but that doesn’t mean they all were. The Constellation Class was near the end of its life, but some were still fully active.
@@michaeldemarco9950 only one was. Victory
still waiting to get that Sagan-class in game
One thing I don’t get is why the Star Trek Picard one doesn’t have the legacy hull number NCC-2893-C I wonder if it has slipstream
I also thought one of the Prometheus class was called stargazer ?
We need a Hero class Stargazer either one from picard or one of STO's design
please can you talk about the sonic School driver from Doctor Who how does it function das the doctor create on his Sonic School drivers itself I saw the TARDIS one's create one for the doctor and do you think we can have some kind of sonic School drivers in the next fifty years so
school driver? 🤣
it exist, and it works
The famed tri-crossover between sonic the hedgehog, the magic school bus and doctor who first premiered on August 10 1998. It was a complicated process to organize the three properties into one show which premiered simultaneously on pbs and the bbc.
I should check out USS victory
Yeah the quad missiles is not about long range. Otherwise you would have seen that on all deep space ships. It's for being able to sneak up on people while on patrol or to perform some Black Ops
Always thought the constellation class would have been a good ship for ambassadors.
Today I learned a new spelling of "Ventura" 😀
What did Picard do between a command of the Stargazer in command of the Enterprise? That looks like a eight or nine year gap. Wondering if there's anything in the lore.
The Enteprise was 100% stated to be his next command after it. I’m guessing he just didn’t really have much to do after the court martial… but it’s certainly got room for some other things (like how Sisko was involved in orbital habitat and ship design).
There is a missing years book out there that I included in my non-canonical personnel file of Picard form a couple of years ago. Basically he stepped back and worked for Starfleet Archaeology then the Starfleet threat assessment program for a couple of years where he met many of the people he would go on to recruit for his Enterprise Command.
@@CertifiablyIngame i watched the Picard episode, it was good.
@@lexington476 Yes, see the novel The Buried Age, by Christopher L. Bennett.
It's really good. And it shows the post lost of ship court martial, too.
First he takes a leave of absence to join an archaeological expedition (C2358-60) and then returns to aid Starfleet operations.
Wait, what was Picard actually court martialled for? I can't think of a good reason
Losing the ship.
@@VulpisFoxfire how is that a court martial offense though? You get court martialled for criminal acts.
He lost his ship getting surprise attacked by an unknown enemy, that hardly counts.
Starfleet is stupid if that's a court martial offense
@@seskal8595 Losing your command *is* a criminal offense in this situation. The court-martial is to determine if it was unavoidable (as it was in this case), or due to poor/stupid/incompetant/criminal actions/responses on the captain's part. It happens in the real-world military as well.
@@VulpisFoxfire that's just weird to me. Of course an investigation is called for it just strikes me as odd to brand it as a court martial. The negative connotations are quite strong
@@seskal8595 It's a martial court.
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Why four nacelles?
Why four when one will do?
Preffer the old Stargazer design
I view "new" Trek like the books, it's both canon and non-canon at the same time...
You can do that I guess, you would be wrong but if you are happy being wrong then good for you I guess
@@exilestudios9546 Yeah, CBS and Paramount Global have the final say on that, whether "fans" like it or not.
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I'm not the only one that thought the Sagan class's design looks less advanced than the other ships in the fleet at this time? It looks out of place as a new design compared to say the Gagarin, Sutherland, Reliant.
I don't regard anything from the Picard series as cannon.
The show is utter tripe.
Always seemed a terrible name for a starship. Hard to take seriously.
I'm totally blanking on anything worthwhile to say. So...algorithm
Picard is not cannon.
Do you work for CBS? No? Then you don't get a say in what's canon.
Like there was anything worth being warned about for Picard anyways. Utter trash.
A warning against "fan" butthurt?
No probs about spoilers for Picard mate i would be real surprised if anybody watches that garbage i certainly dont lol. I know you have signed things now and have to bullshit about it being good but i get it. :)
I have not signed anything and Picard started strong but overall was not good.
@@CertifiablyIngame Oh sorry mate my bad then i do appologise i thought you had a deal with S.T.O. You are right i did enjoy the 1st few eps of Picard but after that yes was not good to say the least.