Just a slight correction, Zahn wasn't able to do his story with the Thrawn clone because Mara Jade was essential to his plans... and they killed her off with out letting him know. Zahn stated he wasn't able to rework to story after Mara's death to be just Luke and Ben, nor was he able to set it before her death because Ben was just too young at that point. So essentially due to a lack of communication and a bad work ethic by killing off another authors characters, we lost a major plotline that had been in the works for decades. Due to Troy Denning and Karen Traviss not giving one thought to anything but their own plotlines. Even though Aaron Allston who was working with them objected to it and brought up that it would affect Timothy Zahn's storyline, and he's on record saying so too before his death.
In case Legends gets a marvelous resurrection, we're so gonna make the Denning-verse stuff instant apocrypha stripped into an Infinities storyline that shouldn't be revisited again.
@@tTaseric Their fault for being responsible for why the continuity got besmirched and has its unaligned haters, hence the necessary, and somewhat meta, purge.
The less said about Denning and Traviss's works, the better. What with Denning setting the reset button on the Jedi Order's structure post-NJO from Dark Nest going forward, and Traviss's works being tailored around the Mandalorians being the uber-cool heroes and the Jedi as fascistic wimps (not even making that up, she legit sees the Jedi Order as gestapo. Wtf)
Just a slight correction to Corey's comments. The story was to be about Luke and Mara training Ben, and them finding the Thrawn clone on that journey. Not Ben teaming up with the Thrawn clone. All three Skywalker's possibly teaming up or fighting against his misguided ways from there. It's the whole reason the plotline was dropped. Zahn had the whole plotline requiring Mara Jade to still be alive. Zahn wasn't able to rework his story post her death, that he wasn't informed about, and Ben was too young to be trained by Mara before she died. So it was essential to Zahn's plot that Luke and Mara were to be the ones teaching Ben. Plus it's highly suspected that Mara was to finally get her backstory and purpose of why Thrawn wanted to recruit her that was alluded to in the Hand of Thrawn duology and her backstory of her childhood past. Zahn has even stated as much. So the pivotal character here wasn't Ben Skywalker, as he was a blank slate Jedi trainee, so much as Luke and Mara being his established Masters finishing their character arcs of passing on everything that they had learned.
Eh, the novels are apocrypha to me. My interpretation for Jaden Korr, alongside Revan and the Jedi Exile is that their gender and Force alignment should have stayed ambiguous.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I honestly don't care about the genders of the Exile or Jaden, but I do like that Revan has a definitive appearance, personality, and history. IMO, he's simply too big and influential of a character to tiptoe around the details of, and I think that his romantic relationship with Bastila Shan (including marrying and having children with her) and the idea that love between Jedi *isn't* inherently wrong or a force for evil, but can actually be a force for redemption, draws strong parallels with the teachings and positions of other forward-thinking Jedi like Qui-Gon and Luke. They both accomplished great things via the power of love. Qui-Gon maintained his identity after death (something that normally only Sith could do through greedy attachment to artifacts or locations that were important to them), and Luke redeemed his father by showing him unconditional love when everyone else had written him off as a lost cause. That said, I'm not happy with *_all_* the details of Revan's story (Shadow of Revan), but the themes surrounding him are generally well done, and wouldn't work as well (or at all) without giving the character a definitive background. In any case, I think the fleshing out of his character was only a matter of time. Even if BioWare's writers hadn't have done it, it's very likely that someone else would have. Most fans already know that George Lucas nearly did it himself while laying out the Mortis arc for The Clone Wars. At the very least his appearance in that series would have been cemented as male, and who knows what other details would have been given away through dialogue in those episodes.
@@DovahFett ...I still would prefer ambiguity. Making Revan a Light Sided male that was easily turned into a living plaything by some generic fool named Vitiate/Valkorion/kriff whatever-his-name is, complete with getting an evil split personality clone, just robs a lot of value to KotOR I and II playthroughs for the lot of us.
I wish Clone Thrawn would have survived to show us a more fleshed out Empire of the Hand. I wanted more about the Empire of the Hand’s exploits in the Unknown Regions in general. There was so much potential to be had there.
This isn't so much a dropped plotline as it was wasted potential, but I always felt that the Ssi-Ruuk were given a raw deal story-wise. When they were first introduced in The Truce at Bakura the Ssi-Ruuvi Imperium was played up as a potentially galaxy-ending threat, yet they're sent packing with their tails between their legs after a relatively small scale battle over the titular planet Bakura, followed by having their empire beaten to a pulp by a Chiss retaliatory force after taking a few of their planets. From then on out there's only the occasional reference to ongoing skirmishes with the New Republic and Chiss, and when the Ssi-Ruuvi do finally regain enough of their strength to become a genuine threat again they try and fail at Bakura a second time due to being compromised from within by the Yuuzhan Vong and a revolt by their P'w'ek slaves. It's a real shame, because having Space Dinos as a recurring, powerful villain faction would have been rad.
Their role has sort of been given to the mysterious Grysk in the modern Thrawn books. Like the Ssi-Ruuk, they have been teased as potentially being a galactic-wide threat, and are presented as the main adversaries of the Chiss Ascendancy. On top of that, they are described as having a somewhat reptilian appearance.
@@DovahFettTbh Grysk seem more like Vong reintroduced in canon, what with their heavy emphasis on psychological warfare and weakening enemies from internal manipulation long before attacking.
Imo the Ssi-ruu never could’ve feasibly posed such a galactic scale threat given their reluctance to attack/die on unconsecrated worlds, but it would’ve been cool to see them appear more
I’d like to hear more about the dropped KOTOR II plot thread of the “True Sith Empire” waiting out in the dark. It always sounded like Avellone intended something very different to the Sith Empire of Swotor
I honestly like what swtor did. I liked that a small piece of the original golden age sith empire survived and later thrived in unknown space just waiting for revenge for the genocide the republic inflicted on them. If only sadow didn’t kill Kresh… if kresh lived then he would have prevented the insane war that the empire couldn’t win.
This is one of the biggest dropped plots, and it would have drastically reshaped the history of the galaxy. For those who don't know, in Kotor 2 it's pretty much outright stated that the known Sith Empire, which was found by Dark Jedi on Korriban and conquered a small quadrant of space before being defeated in the TotJ comics (and going on to spawn the entire following line of Sith in the galaxy), was in fact nothing but a tiny, castoff, forgotten outpost of the True Sith Empire which resided in the Unknown Regions, which Revan himself maybe came from and was desperate to do anything to defeat. This concept actually ties in neatly with the threat in the Unknown Regions the Chiss were always so wary of, and even explains their presence in TOR since they get allied with Vitiate's Empire despite the two groups being nowhere near one another,
@@empirednw6624I find it incredibly lame. Like, do they really need to look exactly like the Galactic Empire? TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers, Storm Trooper armor, all that shit was meant to be the next generation of vehicles and equipment the Republic used during the Clone Wars, like V Wings and Venators. Palpatine didn't just randomly start making the Empire look suspiciously close to the Sith Empire, that's dumb as hell. That'd be like if modern US marines started wearing grey uniforms with red arm bands and no one is expected to connect the dots there.
I always thought that KOTOR 2's version sounded infinitely more interesting than anything else they've done with the idea of an "ancient Sith Empire." They made it sound less like an actual government that can conquer the Republic but they're led by evil Jedi, and more like a Lovecraftian, eldtrich entity that would consume the entire galaxy if given the chance. They sounded a lot more like a group of Darth Nihilus' running around consuming entire planets, with the implication that Nihilus himself wasn't nearly as powerful as these actual Sith Lords. That sounds way more interesting than the lame shit we got in SWTOR.
I have taken advantage of the dropped KOTOR era sith troopers in a roleplay story arc. I basically chalked it up to these vaults being set up as a contingency plan, but this particular vault got destroyed and lost to time; the one Silri found was of course left undiscovered
I always thought it would gave been cool to do an Imperial Commando game where Sev joins a group the helps Jedi smuggle out of the Coruscant Undercity and have Delta operate and hunt down these Jedi smugglers and encounter Sev that would lead them to the Outer Rim where he is involved in the CIS remnants, helping smuggle Jedi out of the Empire.
My explanation for the ancient Sith Army is that they killed Silri and followed Palpatines dark urge to Byss where they helped him build the Dark Empire with their knowledge of Sith Alchemy and jedi cages.
@@empirednw6624 It does grow on you for some reason. Like, yes, it is lackluster compared to many other comics, but changing it altogether feels heretical.
I don’t know if this was actual storyline or just me seeing a pattern that is not there, but I think were hints that some sort of conflict with the Hutt incoming. The Essential guide to Warfare very detailed chapter about Hutt Space remilitarization post Vong Invasion, them supporting the Confederation during the Second Galactic Civil War, and growing slave uprisings during the Fates of the Jedi series. The endgame would be either Hutt civil war or direct conflict between them and the Galactic Alliance, either way it would destabilize the Outer Rims as part of One Sith plan, plus contribute to eventual foundation of the Fel Empire.
You know what, I never thought about Galen Marek's clone, most of the other ones are like "that character/those events can easily be lost in the cracks of history" (aside from the Thrawn clone), but Marek was made _such a big deal,_ that him suddenly disappearing altogether is a big gap in the histoy of star wars.
I think all you can do is write it off as non-canon/ massively overblown story told long after the fall of the empire. The stuff that happens is just too much.
I always just pretended the sequel was never canon, and that Galen died founding the Rebellion. Really, the only way to wrap up TFU2's story withlut a sequel is if Vader gets free and teams up with Boba Fett to kill everyone, and I can't imagine how lame that'd be for the main characters. TFU2 should've been about General Kota leading the Rebellion and how he dies before A New Hope, since obviously he and Galen can't be around by then. Plus it'd be great inversion of "the master sacrifices himself for his student" trope, where Kota has to live with the fact his apprentice is dead.
You know what would be fun? A crossover between the disney timeline and the legends timeline. I know multiverses are silly, but as a non-canon fan project, it would be harmless, like that lego short where Rey time travels
Possible, but make sure the Legends-verse and Alt-universe involved are NOT the "prime universes". Make them Elseworlds/Infinities just in case. Oh, and make sure the saga ends with neither side winning, because a pissed off once-covert Multiversal defense force has had enough and is now going to bring safety, security, and peace to a beleaguered Multiverse by any means necessary... which can lead to a shocking conclusion of them about to make an example with the Earth of Gravity Falls/Amphibia/The Owl House.
I pretty much view it all as canon unless something contradicts another thing, or if it's just shit (the sequels, SWTOR, TFU2, etc). I like the idea of General Kota and Saw Guerrera working together, I think they'd make an interesting pair.
Not a huge one but additionally in the DS game “Star Wars the Clone Wars: Jedi Alliance” the character Ros Lai is last scene taking kyber/force crystals that were floating around space above Coruscant immediately after the Malevolence’s Sister Ship, the super weapon Devastation, exploded. Why? What did she do with them? Does she have any story after that point?
Any intention on addressing any of these Unsolved questions/plotlines in the Empire at war expanded mod family? I'd trust you and your team with the writing, and after some other already planned features got added, having something like Silri's invasion would be an incredibly cool story mission, even if scaled down to a one off encounter, akin to the event battle for the Katana fleet in TR
5:00 "Ultimately, LucasArts started becoming a tire-fire after/around 2008" Ain't that truth. I'd be interested to hear more about the Mortis story thread from Crucible, if you've found anything.
Exactly Don't give me wrong i loved LucasArts and their games such as the original battlefront 1 & 2 and the bounty hunter with Jango Fett But even though many people loved to attack Disney for shutting down LucasArts ignoring the fact that LucasArts by that point was having problems such having the force unleashed 2 story being rushed as well as micromanaging in general. With that said If i want something from LucasArts Besides Battlefront 3 before they were shut down it is 1313?
Absolutely. Recently I revised my head canon. Legends/EU all the way. I was with many with Star Wars dying in 2012 was Lucas sold. But Filoni's The Clone Wars are so canon breaking in numerous ways that the IP died in 2007/2008 when movie and TV series came out. 2003 Cone Wars is great and works. The Clone Wars is the precursor to Disney Wars. I like the stories and do like Rebels, but I now reject those series as not true Star Wars. Anakin does not have a padawan, Asohka should be dead long before A New Hope, Maul stays dead, no f-ing helicopter lightsabers, no need for Inquisitors, no pacifist Mandalore or darksaber... I could go on.
@@jasonkiefer1894The Clone Wars (2008) is the single best thing to happen to Star Wars since the original trilogy. It single handedly redeemed the Prequels in the eyes of millions of fans and ushered in a golden age of Star Wars content. The 2003 series is almost completely inconsequential by comparison. It adds almost nothing to the characters it portrays, completely destroys any semblance of power scaling in the franchise (Mace Windu karate chopping a thousand B2s by himself), and is the epitome of style over substance. It's a fun watch for sure, and is artistically impressive, but it doesn't work on any level in terms of character or plot development. Not to mention that its portrayal of Grievous *completely* contradicts George Lucas' own depiction in Episode III. A piece of media that so badly conflicts a main series film does *_not_* work in the larger canon, neither now nor then. I was nine when The Clone Wars (2008) first began airing, and literally grew up with it. That show single handedly nurtured my love for the franchise and that era in particular. If it were to be removed or erased, the loss to the franchise's lore would be catastrophic. It's worth keeping for no other reason than its characterization of the Clones. It's humanization and characterization of them was _sorely_ needed, and previously was only found in periphery media like the Republic Commando series of novels. In most everything else they were being depicted as being little more than droid-like Stormtroopers by another name. The 2003 series is guilty of this as well. The Clone Wars *_is_* Star Wars, and was George Lucas' last gift to the fans before he finally got tired of being constantly pissed on by its most entitled and insatiable members. It was not the beginning of Disney canon, but the end of George Lucas' canon. I'd go as far to say that if you don't like The Clone Wars, you don't like Star Wars. I know that's a no true Scotsman argument, but I think it's true in this case. The series is as integral to the franchise as any of the films (and more so than several of them). It has become the bedrock of the franchise, and the stories and characterizations it provides contains much of the best writing the franchise has ever produced. To dismiss it is totally alien to me and the millions of fans it created (and continues to attract). It is not to blame for any of the subpar stories that might trace their roots to it. Doing so would be like blaming Peter Jackson's LoTR trilogy for the failures of Amazon's Rings of Power. The good these works did far outweigh any potential harm caused down the road by the pieces of media that they directly or indirectly inspired through their success. They are great works of art and should be respected as such. In any case, the amount of absolutely nonsensical, contradictory tripe that came out of EU makes your argument ridiculous, and I say that as someone who loves many of its stories and characters. But to act like everything was rosy before The Clone Wars is total nonsense, and if you disagree you've either forgotten many of its worse products (The Courtship of Princess Leia, The Dark Empire, and the Yuuzhan Vong say hello) or you never read them in the first place.
if you're about to talk about the karen traviss republic commando books, her buildup of mandalorian lore is still my head canon for mandalorians and the clone wars. best books, or at least tied for the top spot, in the eu for me ❤️🔥
I think the third force unleashed would have revealed thst Galen Marek was alive all along and multiple endings wouldve determined whether the good or evil starkiller was the clone. We also know Boba Fett would be involved, since every adaptation of Force Unleashed 2's story ends eith Boba following the rebels, presumably to rescue vader I also think its a safe bet that rahm kota would have died, since he's in battlefront elite squadron, but disappears after endor with no explanation.
HandofThrawn45 did an outstanding job at creating novels that could have been: infamous Sword of the Jedi trilogy, Blood Oath, TFU III, The Reenlistment of Baron Fel, sequels to Imperial Commando and Coruscant Night,...
What about the original clone wars as summarized in the Thrawn trilogy? Talk about plot lines that diverged wildly from the initial idea lol. I know it’s not the same at the subject of this video, I just think it’s funny/interesting that George didn’t give zahn at least a brief overview of what he thought the clone wars might be
I keep wondering: how much would it really cost Disney and whoever they license star wars to for the novels to keep hiring fan favorite legends continuity writers to keep writing legends continuity novels at a pace of 1-3 releases a year? Would it really be more than what they'd get in sales revenue? There's gotta be SOMEONE out there who's both a fan favorite writer and would like to keep playing around with legends continuity. Do we really think a Timothy Zahn set of post-Fate of the Jedi books where he can ignore the Legacy comics wouldn't sell enough to be profitable? Would he not be interested in writing those even if he was told he could do whatever he wanted in post-FotJ continuity?
@CoreysDatapad I guess I just figured with how I thought physical publishing in general has struggled for a bit now, that publishers would be happy to have anything they thought could be a net positive in revenue. But you're right, there are other factors in play. And neat, never thought I'd get a response from the channel creator on one of these comments! Thanks for the uploads!
I think the storyline around Allana Solo, the daughter of Jacen Solo was a pretty major one that was dropped, multiple major characters had visions about her future, Luke, Leia, Jacen and Ben. All of them saw different visions of her in the future, involving her unifying the Galaxy as Queen of the Jedi, either side by side with a Sith or by herself, the vision Jacen had was even a reason for his turn to the Dark Side, to alter the future and change the vision. So her life and future was treated like it would be pretty important, but then nothing happened. Her story just ends as a Youngling learning the force. We never see the conclusion and it seems like she just becomes completely irrelevant to later stories.
As someone who would constantly replay Forces of Corruption’s campaign over & over as a kid. Thank You saying for looking into what could’ve happened in a potential sequel. That has haunted me for like a decade and I’ve finally had some closure. Tbh I’ve always thought most Legend gams that werents the Jedi Knight ones to basically the non-canon to even Legends. So TFU and EAW never had huge implications for the rest of the galaxy and lord in my mind, but still nice to know what could’ve been
Very cool video. I didn't actually know about the plan to have a Clone Thrawn and Ben plotline. I've always thought it would have made the most sense for Kota and Starkiller to die when Alderaan exploded.
@kingofhearts3185 seriously? I thought the first was at least like 5 yrs prior with the 2nd being like a yr maybe 2 max later. Tbf it's been a long time since I played them and the first death star I figured was still a while away from being fully operational
@@kingofhearts3185 Individual Rebel Cells existed as early as the Empire's formation, but the actual Alliance was always formed very late into the timeline. Mon Mothma, Bail, and Garm had been doing their own things for over a decade before they united and formed the Alliance and a bunch of other fragmented groups followed suit around the Battle of Yavin.
Honestly, I think the moth balled Sith plot line, was probably something like she opened one or two of the troopers, they killed her and her friends and then just went back to being gaurds
I just thought of another dropped storyline: what happened to Zayne Carrick of the Knights of the Old Republic comic books, between The Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War, a.k.a. The 2ns Sith War that Darths Revan and Malak launched.
Silri and the Consortium only make brief cameos, which ultimately leave an even bigger cliffhanger for that part of the timeline than Forces of Corruption did. (Edit because UA-cam won't let me make new comments on this specific video for some reason) @RevanX77 It's in the Supernatural Encounters download you can find on the Star Wars Timeline website. Silri's part is in Chapter 83. I think it was updated earlier this year, because I noticed an older version of the book I got elsewhere didn't have that part.
Fortunately for The Force Unleashed and Imperial Commando, a fanfic author known as Handofthrawn45 made well written conclusions for both respective stories and can be found online. It’s called “The Force Restored” and “Twilight of the Jedi: The Dying Day”
Much appreciated. Copying these for later: Force Unleashed and Imperial Commando a fanfic, fanfiction, fan fiction continuations, sequel, “The Force Restored” and “Twilight of the Jedi: The Dying Day"
Honestly, I found the HandofThrawn45 fanfics to be terribly written, which also just skip absolutely vital bits. They're very plot driven with characters acting like automatons to randomly behave a certain way to force some rather contrived plotlines. I seriously don't understand why people like them.
There are three from the X-Wing series. The first is the third expansion disk Totally Games was planning on making for the original X-Wing, although we don't have any details about what it would be other than some files on the second expansion disk. The second is the fate of the remainder of the traitor Harkov's fleet; I think it was never finished off. The third is from X-Wing: Alliance, but I don't want to tell you in case you ever pick it up again.
Oh, yeah, the fate of Hamo Blastwell, among other characters in the feelies, is still a mystery. The fleet was trivial enough, so it must have been easily taken out by the loyalist hunters. Still hoping XWAU gets a fully voiced, well done fanmade expansion pack that closes that loose end and more. Besides, the FreeSpace modding community, bless 'em, did the same with the FS(1) Port add-on Silent Threat: Reborn.
I don't know if this was cut or anything but I like Nym from the Star Wars Starfighter video games. They did 2 games one tied into episode 1 film & then 2nd episode 2 film. But no more. I understand they did Comics but I didn't know about those at the time. I thought they would be another third game with him around the time of episode 3 (that's just what I thought) but no. I don't know if anything was planned or cancelled or they just naturally finish with second game or those Comics were continuation that finish the story I don't know.
Great vid! My biggest what could have been want was always the sword of the jedi trilogy for Jaina. Idk if anyone has ever said what it was gonna be about or if they got that far planning but I loved Jaina XD and it would have been a good cap to her character
So would the question about what happened to the surviving One Sith, like Talon, be a cut story line before or after the EU was destroyed to make way for Disney Canon?
After the reboot. While the second run of the Legacy comics was always going to prioritize a new cast of characters, it was also intended to tie up loose narrative threads left by the original run. The problem is that its publication started in the 18-month period between the Disney acquisition of the franchise, and the official discontinuation and decanonization of the EU. Because of this, the series was cut short and suffered a very rushed conclusion without being able to address the fate of most characters from the original Legacy run.
@@conradojavier7547 It was both Maul and Talon he would've used as the main antagonists for his own sequel trilogy, but he wouldn't have taken the Legacy comics into consideration at all. Despite his imput on some creative choices for some EU stories, he wasn't beholden by its continuity and would've had no qualms about overwriting the entire post-OT era to tell the story he wanted.
What about Omega squads mission to Mandalore teased at the end of the 501st novel. Even though it would have tied into one of the worst Expanded Universe books
I give the Commando novels a pass despite Traviss' Travissisms. It was interesting seeing the clones basically trying to find a cure for themselves and search for a place in the galaxy, and having different perspectives on their role in the war.
Ah yes, Zahn and his obsession to have heroes team up with Thrawn. Though other than with Ezra I believe teaming up with Ben Skywalker would be slightly more interesting simply so we'd get his reaction to the Yuuzhan Vong invasion and all that being in the past - show us what else the blue guy would do with his life. Surely he wouldn't have just used the grysk as a big scare either way, right? ...Right?
Fate of the Galfridian siblings from Invasion as well as the Outer Rim Alliance. Sword of the Jedi trilogy Whatever Troy Denning had planned to make Tahiri Veila do beyond that scene in Invincible towards an underage Ben Skywalker. The fate of Zayne Carrick and the characters from the KOTOR comics. More from the Dawn of the Jedi and Cade Skywalker's Legacy comics and maybe how the hell Ania Solo was related to Han and Leia when their only surviving offspring was married to a Fel and their granddaughter was a Hapan princess.
Ben Skywalker, son of Luke, teaming up with the clone of Thrawn for a quest is something I didn't know I wanted until I heard it. And did they want to make Force Unleashed III?
I’m convinced that Sword of the Jedi were gonna say first Luke and Leia, then Jaina and Jacen were supposed to be the replacements of the Twin Gods, and they just keep knocking it back a generation til they get it right (So now Allana will have twins - she’ll be the Father’s role while they’re the fanged god/winged goddess
RIP to the Dark Horse invasion story. I have no basis on which to make this claim but I feel it would’ve been better or at least different. I enjoy these meta videos discussing how got the stories we got
Additionally, regarding the potential third Force Unleashed game, Sam Witwer has given some details about it without going against any agreements made should Disney Lucasfilm want to pursue it at a later date or repurpose it. The shorthand is that at the end of the story, Starkiller would be betrayed by Vader yet again, and while confident that he could finally defeat and destroy Vader once and for all, Vader would reveal to Starkiller how powerful he truly was, that he had always been holding back how proficient he was with the Dark Side of the Force, to which Starkiller's final words would have been along the lines of "How... How are you this powerful?!" to which Vader would reply along the lines of echoing his sentiments from the first game; "I told you. I lied, from the very beginning, about everything." and would then succinctly kill Starkiller. I paraphrase the exact words, but it's more or less the sentiments that Sam described they were going to present.
I think the nightsister Silri thought she knew what she was doing, woke up the soldiers and they recognized her as enemy, killed her and went back to sleep waiting for the right person to find them to fight against the Sith. So they are still around in the future. The mothballed fleet never made sense to me, after all that time they would not be reliable. Also, the troopers would have one hell of a carbonite hibernation sickness and I expect lost their sight completely, needing cybernetics to compensate.
Empire at war was a hidden gem and the fact we never got a sith empire that came back and was playable.....disappointment is immeasurable....EAW deserves not only a remake but clean up the cut content and add new dlc
I always wondered how they drowned the Thrawn clone when he was in a cloning tank with a oxygen mask presumably.....like when luke was in the bacta tank.....guessing it shorted out the equipment....but if you were super smart and built your hideout underground near a lake, and had cloning tech wouldnt you make it waterproof?😮😮😮
the real question is, at the end of legacy comics ania solo was attacked by an unknown group. So who were the attackers? what if kylo ren discovered the legends universe and killed not only ania solo but murdered cade skywalker, and abeloth created disney canon universe
Such a shame about force unleashed 3 never happening. Those games first g9t be really jooked on stsr wars after my childhood phase of wstching all the VHS tapes of the OT died off.
@@conradojavier7547 And thats not an unworkable premise. Vader landinf on a planet of scavengrrs and conqueoring it becssue he can sounda like a cool idea.
Man, instead of Mara Jade and Ben Skywalker we got Luke losing his temper about a vision regarding his teen nephew and almost killing him; then letting said nephew kill all the Jedi and destroy his temple, and instead of bringing Ben in for justice, he yeeted himself to a literal island and cut himself off from the Force. Luke. F&cking. Skywalker. What a shitty replacement story.
Gotta remember the star forge ships were like 20,000 year old designs that used the power of the dark side. Even being an additional 5000 years older they'd be a threat because of that advantage. Instead of measuring their capabilities in turbo lasers or missiles you measure it in pure hatred
@@michaeltrombley-ir5yp Werent those ships still defeates by the republic and jedi fleet? So they couldnt have been that fsr sbove the galactic standard at the time.
@@ianmckee4726 only occasionally beaten by Republic ships. The Sith were rolling over the opposition untill Malak did his big betrayal. Before that it required more Republic ships to beat one Star Forge capital ships than a 1 to 1 fight. The big victories for the Republic needed battle meditation to even the odds. Something like an executor class would be trouble for the sith ships but a mon cal ship or an ISD wouldn't stand a chance without a 3 to 1 advantage
Honestly, the only dropped plots that bothers the Hell outta me are Sev and the original KOTOR III plot, especially the latter. I honestly despise TOR and the Revan novel because they utterly shaft both Revan and the Exile and the original idea of Eldritch Horror Sith, whose like we were given a terrifying taste of with Nihilus, that the Exile has to go out and handle with Revan (whose gender and alignment likely would have been handled like Dragon Age or like in KOTOR II) sounded so much more kriffing awesome in my opinion compared to what we got in TOR.
Sev most likely became the first Rebel Commando/Pathfinder. I still think KotOR III happened, albeit offscreen not unlike whatever happened between Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge and The Curse of Monkey Island.
Remember that, for better or for worse, the Revan and KOTOR III-related stuff ultimately just ended up being an hour-long side-quest in TOR, and you don't really HAVE to speak to Scourge more than a couple times if you don't want to. Point being, the game itself is infinitely larger than the disappointing direction they took Revan, and they thankfully let you ignore most of it to plant your own headcanons in there. Also, I do think they made the right call with how they showed the Sith. Having the Sith be slightly more uniform Sith society definitely worked in its favour more than just bloodborne-esque Sith abominations (Which would have definitely been really cool, but not for the type of game that TOR was.). The sheer scale of the worldbuilding at play during the 4 Imperial class stories was, in my opinion, a worthy trade-off to the stuff we lost from a potential KOTOR 3.
@@tTaseric Nah, considering the predatory monetary practices in TOR plus the fact that it just honestly wasn't that good, it wasn't a worthy replacement at all.
- I think Silri and Tyber Zann fought a successfully covert yet ultimately Pyrrhic shadow war with the ancient army in mind, but no rehashed Katana Fleet. Could explain why the Zann Consortium lost relevance rather jarringly come the Thrawn campaign - Didn't mind this becoming a nice piece of subversions, the clone's demise. After all, the panic of non-existent clones is arguably a perfect brushstroke from the dead man. - Became the first ever Rebel Commando, most likely fought his former Delta allies repeatedly in several battlezones, and either ended with all being mutually KIA or successfully converted his allies to the fledgling Rebellion. Either way, we need a proper Legends conclusion regardless if it's in novel or webcomic form... the teased Alt-universe resolving via, I don't know, The Bad Batch should never count either. - Meh. The Force Unleashed, preferably in its PS2/Wii/PSP/Switch form, should stay standalone in true Legends canon. - Also meh. Skippable filler, not unlike the DC Animated Universe's The Zeta Project. Should have replaced the latte two with the fates of Zayne Carrick and co., let alone Dass Jennir and his own company.
I am still very upset that Disney relegate the whole Yuuzhan Vong material to Legends. I’ll rather see Yuuzhan Vong Worldships than see another planet destroying recycled Imperial II lookalike trash Xyston Class ship.
Just a slight correction, Zahn wasn't able to do his story with the Thrawn clone because Mara Jade was essential to his plans... and they killed her off with out letting him know.
Zahn stated he wasn't able to rework to story after Mara's death to be just Luke and Ben, nor was he able to set it before her death because Ben was just too young at that point.
So essentially due to a lack of communication and a bad work ethic by killing off another authors characters, we lost a major plotline that had been in the works for decades. Due to Troy Denning and Karen Traviss not giving one thought to anything but their own plotlines. Even though Aaron Allston who was working with them objected to it and brought up that it would affect Timothy Zahn's storyline, and he's on record saying so too before his death.
In case Legends gets a marvelous resurrection, we're so gonna make the Denning-verse stuff instant apocrypha stripped into an Infinities storyline that shouldn't be revisited again.
Allston's death was a real shame. I'd honestly love to see what he would have written later.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Surely It defeats the entire point of ressurecting Legends if you just wipe everything you didn't like from its continuity?
@@tTaseric Their fault for being responsible for why the continuity got besmirched and has its unaligned haters, hence the necessary, and somewhat meta, purge.
The less said about Denning and Traviss's works, the better. What with Denning setting the reset button on the Jedi Order's structure post-NJO from Dark Nest going forward, and Traviss's works being tailored around the Mandalorians being the uber-cool heroes and the Jedi as fascistic wimps (not even making that up, she legit sees the Jedi Order as gestapo. Wtf)
I actually love that idea of Ben Skywalker and Clone Thrawn, especially because of some of the storylines brought up towards the end of Legends life
Just a slight correction to Corey's comments. The story was to be about Luke and Mara training Ben, and them finding the Thrawn clone on that journey. Not Ben teaming up with the Thrawn clone. All three Skywalker's possibly teaming up or fighting against his misguided ways from there.
It's the whole reason the plotline was dropped. Zahn had the whole plotline requiring Mara Jade to still be alive. Zahn wasn't able to rework his story post her death, that he wasn't informed about, and Ben was too young to be trained by Mara before she died.
So it was essential to Zahn's plot that Luke and Mara were to be the ones teaching Ben. Plus it's highly suspected that Mara was to finally get her backstory and purpose of why Thrawn wanted to recruit her that was alluded to in the Hand of Thrawn duology and her backstory of her childhood past. Zahn has even stated as much.
So the pivotal character here wasn't Ben Skywalker, as he was a blank slate Jedi trainee, so much as Luke and Mara being his established Masters finishing their character arcs of passing on everything that they had learned.
Same, and it makes sense for Thrawn to have had more than one backup clone.
I was always a little disappointed that we never got to find out more about the cloning project in Paul S. Kemp's Jaden Korr books. Oh well.
My main issue with the Kaden Korr books is my insistence that Jaden should have been female and the Exile male.
Eh, the novels are apocrypha to me. My interpretation for Jaden Korr, alongside Revan and the Jedi Exile is that their gender and Force alignment should have stayed ambiguous.
@@michaelandreipalon359 That can work too.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I honestly don't care about the genders of the Exile or Jaden, but I do like that Revan has a definitive appearance, personality, and history. IMO, he's simply too big and influential of a character to tiptoe around the details of, and I think that his romantic relationship with Bastila Shan (including marrying and having children with her) and the idea that love between Jedi *isn't* inherently wrong or a force for evil, but can actually be a force for redemption, draws strong parallels with the teachings and positions of other forward-thinking Jedi like Qui-Gon and Luke. They both accomplished great things via the power of love. Qui-Gon maintained his identity after death (something that normally only Sith could do through greedy attachment to artifacts or locations that were important to them), and Luke redeemed his father by showing him unconditional love when everyone else had written him off as a lost cause. That said, I'm not happy with *_all_* the details of Revan's story (Shadow of Revan), but the themes surrounding him are generally well done, and wouldn't work as well (or at all) without giving the character a definitive background.
In any case, I think the fleshing out of his character was only a matter of time. Even if BioWare's writers hadn't have done it, it's very likely that someone else would have. Most fans already know that George Lucas nearly did it himself while laying out the Mortis arc for The Clone Wars. At the very least his appearance in that series would have been cemented as male, and who knows what other details would have been given away through dialogue in those episodes.
@@DovahFett ...I still would prefer ambiguity. Making Revan a Light Sided male that was easily turned into a living plaything by some generic fool named Vitiate/Valkorion/kriff whatever-his-name is, complete with getting an evil split personality clone, just robs a lot of value to KotOR I and II playthroughs for the lot of us.
I wish Clone Thrawn would have survived to show us a more fleshed out Empire of the Hand. I wanted more about the Empire of the Hand’s exploits in the Unknown Regions in general. There was so much potential to be had there.
I have never been able to get over the Empire at War and Force Unleashed stuff, it haunts me to this day wondering what might have been
This isn't so much a dropped plotline as it was wasted potential, but I always felt that the Ssi-Ruuk were given a raw deal story-wise. When they were first introduced in The Truce at Bakura the Ssi-Ruuvi Imperium was played up as a potentially galaxy-ending threat, yet they're sent packing with their tails between their legs after a relatively small scale battle over the titular planet Bakura, followed by having their empire beaten to a pulp by a Chiss retaliatory force after taking a few of their planets. From then on out there's only the occasional reference to ongoing skirmishes with the New Republic and Chiss, and when the Ssi-Ruuvi do finally regain enough of their strength to become a genuine threat again they try and fail at Bakura a second time due to being compromised from within by the Yuuzhan Vong and a revolt by their P'w'ek slaves.
It's a real shame, because having Space Dinos as a recurring, powerful villain faction would have been rad.
Their role has sort of been given to the mysterious Grysk in the modern Thrawn books. Like the Ssi-Ruuk, they have been teased as potentially being a galactic-wide threat, and are presented as the main adversaries of the Chiss Ascendancy. On top of that, they are described as having a somewhat reptilian appearance.
@@DovahFettTbh Grysk seem more like Vong reintroduced in canon, what with their heavy emphasis on psychological warfare and weakening enemies from internal manipulation long before attacking.
Imo the Ssi-ruu never could’ve feasibly posed such a galactic scale threat given their reluctance to attack/die on unconsecrated worlds, but it would’ve been cool to see them appear more
Please make more videos like this Corey, it was incredibly interesting and fun 👍👍
I’d like to hear more about the dropped KOTOR II plot thread of the “True Sith Empire” waiting out in the dark. It always sounded like Avellone intended something very different to the Sith Empire of Swotor
I honestly like what swtor did. I liked that a small piece of the original golden age sith empire survived and later thrived in unknown space just waiting for revenge for the genocide the republic inflicted on them. If only sadow didn’t kill Kresh… if kresh lived then he would have prevented the insane war that the empire couldn’t win.
@@empirednw6624 He would have been a strict and harsh ruler which is why the massasi and most of the empire sided with sadow instead.
This is one of the biggest dropped plots, and it would have drastically reshaped the history of the galaxy. For those who don't know, in Kotor 2 it's pretty much outright stated that the known Sith Empire, which was found by Dark Jedi on Korriban and conquered a small quadrant of space before being defeated in the TotJ comics (and going on to spawn the entire following line of Sith in the galaxy), was in fact nothing but a tiny, castoff, forgotten outpost of the True Sith Empire which resided in the Unknown Regions, which Revan himself maybe came from and was desperate to do anything to defeat.
This concept actually ties in neatly with the threat in the Unknown Regions the Chiss were always so wary of, and even explains their presence in TOR since they get allied with Vitiate's Empire despite the two groups being nowhere near one another,
@@empirednw6624I find it incredibly lame. Like, do they really need to look exactly like the Galactic Empire? TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers, Storm Trooper armor, all that shit was meant to be the next generation of vehicles and equipment the Republic used during the Clone Wars, like V Wings and Venators. Palpatine didn't just randomly start making the Empire look suspiciously close to the Sith Empire, that's dumb as hell. That'd be like if modern US marines started wearing grey uniforms with red arm bands and no one is expected to connect the dots there.
I always thought that KOTOR 2's version sounded infinitely more interesting than anything else they've done with the idea of an "ancient Sith Empire." They made it sound less like an actual government that can conquer the Republic but they're led by evil Jedi, and more like a Lovecraftian, eldtrich entity that would consume the entire galaxy if given the chance. They sounded a lot more like a group of Darth Nihilus' running around consuming entire planets, with the implication that Nihilus himself wasn't nearly as powerful as these actual Sith Lords. That sounds way more interesting than the lame shit we got in SWTOR.
I have taken advantage of the dropped KOTOR era sith troopers in a roleplay story arc. I basically chalked it up to these vaults being set up as a contingency plan, but this particular vault got destroyed and lost to time; the one Silri found was of course left undiscovered
lol good old paranoid revan and his ridiculous plans.
I always thought it would gave been cool to do an Imperial Commando game where Sev joins a group the helps Jedi smuggle out of the Coruscant Undercity and have Delta operate and hunt down these Jedi smugglers and encounter Sev that would lead them to the Outer Rim where he is involved in the CIS remnants, helping smuggle Jedi out of the Empire.
My explanation for the ancient Sith Army is that they killed Silri and followed Palpatines dark urge to Byss where they helped him build the Dark Empire with their knowledge of Sith Alchemy and jedi cages.
That works, but it does waste her badly.
@@michaelandreipalon359fine by me, she is kind of lame.
@@empirednw6624 And even then, said army didn't do much of important iconic value in the notably rushed pace of the Dark Empire comics.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I still like dark empire, but some of the artwork is pretty bad with those weird colors and washed out backgrounds…
@@empirednw6624 It does grow on you for some reason. Like, yes, it is lackluster compared to many other comics, but changing it altogether feels heretical.
"You were a multidimensional character, Vestara! I loved you!"
Ben Skywalker, probably
I don’t know if this was actual storyline or just me seeing a pattern that is not there, but I think were hints that some sort of conflict with the Hutt incoming. The Essential guide to Warfare very detailed chapter about Hutt Space remilitarization post Vong Invasion, them supporting the Confederation during the Second Galactic Civil War, and growing slave uprisings during the Fates of the Jedi series. The endgame would be either Hutt civil war or direct conflict between them and the Galactic Alliance, either way it would destabilize the Outer Rims as part of One Sith plan, plus contribute to eventual foundation of the Fel Empire.
You know what, I never thought about Galen Marek's clone, most of the other ones are like "that character/those events can easily be lost in the cracks of history" (aside from the Thrawn clone), but Marek was made _such a big deal,_ that him suddenly disappearing altogether is a big gap in the histoy of star wars.
Doesn't help that FU2 ends with Vader being captured 1 year before a new hope. That's a big deal.
I think all you can do is write it off as non-canon/ massively overblown story told long after the fall of the empire. The stuff that happens is just too much.
I always just pretended the sequel was never canon, and that Galen died founding the Rebellion. Really, the only way to wrap up TFU2's story withlut a sequel is if Vader gets free and teams up with Boba Fett to kill everyone, and I can't imagine how lame that'd be for the main characters. TFU2 should've been about General Kota leading the Rebellion and how he dies before A New Hope, since obviously he and Galen can't be around by then. Plus it'd be great inversion of "the master sacrifices himself for his student" trope, where Kota has to live with the fact his apprentice is dead.
You know what would be fun? A crossover between the disney timeline and the legends timeline. I know multiverses are silly, but as a non-canon fan project, it would be harmless, like that lego short where Rey time travels
Possible, but make sure the Legends-verse and Alt-universe involved are NOT the "prime universes". Make them Elseworlds/Infinities just in case.
Oh, and make sure the saga ends with neither side winning, because a pissed off once-covert Multiversal defense force has had enough and is now going to bring safety, security, and peace to a beleaguered Multiverse by any means necessary... which can lead to a shocking conclusion of them about to make an example with the Earth of Gravity Falls/Amphibia/The Owl House.
I pretty much view it all as canon unless something contradicts another thing, or if it's just shit (the sequels, SWTOR, TFU2, etc). I like the idea of General Kota and Saw Guerrera working together, I think they'd make an interesting pair.
Not a huge one but additionally in the DS game “Star Wars the Clone Wars: Jedi Alliance” the character Ros Lai is last scene taking kyber/force crystals that were floating around space above Coruscant immediately after the Malevolence’s Sister Ship, the super weapon Devastation, exploded. Why? What did she do with them? Does she have any story after that point?
Hey, isn't she the Nightsister Quinlan Vos retrieved in the Republic comics?
@@michaelandreipalon359 Pretty sure that is right, yes
Any intention on addressing any of these Unsolved questions/plotlines in the Empire at war expanded mod family? I'd trust you and your team with the writing, and after some other already planned features got added, having something like Silri's invasion would be an incredibly cool story mission, even if scaled down to a one off encounter, akin to the event battle for the Katana fleet in TR
You can get the Thrawn clone as the EOTH, which I'd pretty cool
I'd like to see that Silri faction implemented in Thrawn's Revenge.
that would be a dream come true honestly. a true wildcard faction out of left field
5:00 "Ultimately, LucasArts started becoming a tire-fire after/around 2008"
Ain't that truth.
I'd be interested to hear more about the Mortis story thread from Crucible, if you've found anything.
Exactly Don't give me wrong i loved LucasArts and their games such as the original battlefront 1 & 2 and the bounty hunter with Jango Fett But even though many people loved to attack Disney for shutting down LucasArts ignoring the fact that LucasArts by that point was having problems such having the force unleashed 2 story being rushed as well as micromanaging in general. With that said If i want something from LucasArts Besides Battlefront 3 before they were shut down it is 1313?
Absolutely. Recently I revised my head canon. Legends/EU all the way. I was with many with Star Wars dying in 2012 was Lucas sold. But Filoni's The Clone Wars are so canon breaking in numerous ways that the IP died in 2007/2008 when movie and TV series came out. 2003 Cone Wars is great and works. The Clone Wars is the precursor to Disney Wars. I like the stories and do like Rebels, but I now reject those series as not true Star Wars. Anakin does not have a padawan, Asohka should be dead long before A New Hope, Maul stays dead, no f-ing helicopter lightsabers, no need for Inquisitors, no pacifist Mandalore or darksaber... I could go on.
@@jasonkiefer1894 Preach, fellow!
@@jasonkiefer1894The Clone Wars (2008) is the single best thing to happen to Star Wars since the original trilogy. It single handedly redeemed the Prequels in the eyes of millions of fans and ushered in a golden age of Star Wars content. The 2003 series is almost completely inconsequential by comparison. It adds almost nothing to the characters it portrays, completely destroys any semblance of power scaling in the franchise (Mace Windu karate chopping a thousand B2s by himself), and is the epitome of style over substance. It's a fun watch for sure, and is artistically impressive, but it doesn't work on any level in terms of character or plot development. Not to mention that its portrayal of Grievous *completely* contradicts George Lucas' own depiction in Episode III. A piece of media that so badly conflicts a main series film does *_not_* work in the larger canon, neither now nor then.
I was nine when The Clone Wars (2008) first began airing, and literally grew up with it. That show single handedly nurtured my love for the franchise and that era in particular. If it were to be removed or erased, the loss to the franchise's lore would be catastrophic. It's worth keeping for no other reason than its characterization of the Clones. It's humanization and characterization of them was _sorely_ needed, and previously was only found in periphery media like the Republic Commando series of novels. In most everything else they were being depicted as being little more than droid-like Stormtroopers by another name. The 2003 series is guilty of this as well.
The Clone Wars *_is_* Star Wars, and was George Lucas' last gift to the fans before he finally got tired of being constantly pissed on by its most entitled and insatiable members. It was not the beginning of Disney canon, but the end of George Lucas' canon. I'd go as far to say that if you don't like The Clone Wars, you don't like Star Wars. I know that's a no true Scotsman argument, but I think it's true in this case. The series is as integral to the franchise as any of the films (and more so than several of them). It has become the bedrock of the franchise, and the stories and characterizations it provides contains much of the best writing the franchise has ever produced. To dismiss it is totally alien to me and the millions of fans it created (and continues to attract). It is not to blame for any of the subpar stories that might trace their roots to it. Doing so would be like blaming Peter Jackson's LoTR trilogy for the failures of Amazon's Rings of Power. The good these works did far outweigh any potential harm caused down the road by the pieces of media that they directly or indirectly inspired through their success. They are great works of art and should be respected as such.
In any case, the amount of absolutely nonsensical, contradictory tripe that came out of EU makes your argument ridiculous, and I say that as someone who loves many of its stories and characters. But to act like everything was rosy before The Clone Wars is total nonsense, and if you disagree you've either forgotten many of its worse products (The Courtship of Princess Leia, The Dark Empire, and the Yuuzhan Vong say hello) or you never read them in the first place.
Yeah I think you can see a change in Lucas art video games when they stopped having animated Lucas arts logos.
if you're about to talk about the karen traviss republic commando books, her buildup of mandalorian lore is still my head canon for mandalorians and the clone wars. best books, or at least tied for the top spot, in the eu for me ❤️🔥
Somehow Thrawn's Clone Returns.
Thraaawn
How about old cut EU ships?
More particularly ships that could've been significant for their specific faction but was just straight up forgotten about
I think the third force unleashed would have revealed thst Galen Marek was alive all along and multiple endings wouldve determined whether the good or evil starkiller was the clone.
We also know Boba Fett would be involved, since every adaptation of Force Unleashed 2's story ends eith Boba following the rebels, presumably to rescue vader
I also think its a safe bet that rahm kota would have died, since he's in battlefront elite squadron, but disappears after endor with no explanation.
HandofThrawn45 did an outstanding job at creating novels that could have been: infamous Sword of the Jedi trilogy, Blood Oath, TFU III, The Reenlistment of Baron Fel, sequels to Imperial Commando and Coruscant Night,...
Wait WHAT ?!? There are fanmade versions by one author ???
What about the original clone wars as summarized in the Thrawn trilogy? Talk about plot lines that diverged wildly from the initial idea lol. I know it’s not the same at the subject of this video, I just think it’s funny/interesting that George didn’t give zahn at least a brief overview of what he thought the clone wars might be
I keep wondering: how much would it really cost Disney and whoever they license star wars to for the novels to keep hiring fan favorite legends continuity writers to keep writing legends continuity novels at a pace of 1-3 releases a year?
Would it really be more than what they'd get in sales revenue? There's gotta be SOMEONE out there who's both a fan favorite writer and would like to keep playing around with legends continuity. Do we really think a Timothy Zahn set of post-Fate of the Jedi books where he can ignore the Legacy comics wouldn't sell enough to be profitable? Would he not be interested in writing those even if he was told he could do whatever he wanted in post-FotJ continuity?
It's not just about raw cost or return. There's other publishing resources involved in that.
@CoreysDatapad I guess I just figured with how I thought physical publishing in general has struggled for a bit now, that publishers would be happy to have anything they thought could be a net positive in revenue. But you're right, there are other factors in play.
And neat, never thought I'd get a response from the channel creator on one of these comments! Thanks for the uploads!
Speaking of the Dark Horse Invasion comics, that series ended on an unresolved cliffhanger.
I think the storyline around Allana Solo, the daughter of Jacen Solo was a pretty major one that was dropped, multiple major characters had visions about her future, Luke, Leia, Jacen and Ben. All of them saw different visions of her in the future, involving her unifying the Galaxy as Queen of the Jedi, either side by side with a Sith or by herself, the vision Jacen had was even a reason for his turn to the Dark Side, to alter the future and change the vision.
So her life and future was treated like it would be pretty important, but then nothing happened. Her story just ends as a Youngling learning the force. We never see the conclusion and it seems like she just becomes completely irrelevant to later stories.
I see anything mention Empire at War, I click play. It's that simple.
No where is that on the title
@@Littlemilkjug533I saw Silri in the thumbnail
As someone who would constantly replay Forces of Corruption’s campaign over & over as a kid. Thank You saying for looking into what could’ve happened in a potential sequel. That has haunted me for like a decade and I’ve finally had some closure.
Tbh I’ve always thought most Legend gams that werents the Jedi Knight ones to basically the non-canon to even Legends. So TFU and EAW never had huge implications for the rest of the galaxy and lord in my mind, but still nice to know what could’ve been
I think Star Wars Galaxies featured an NPC on Kashyyyk who was heavily implied to be Sev
Very cool video. I didn't actually know about the plan to have a Clone Thrawn and Ben plotline. I've always thought it would have made the most sense for Kota and Starkiller to die when Alderaan exploded.
That feels very late in the timeline for them to have died then personally
The force unleashed games were only set 2 and 1 year before a new hope, so it isn't that far off.
@kingofhearts3185 seriously? I thought the first was at least like 5 yrs prior with the 2nd being like a yr maybe 2 max later. Tbf it's been a long time since I played them and the first death star I figured was still a while away from being fully operational
@@TY-km8hj I was surprised too, thought the rebel alliance was older.
@@kingofhearts3185 Individual Rebel Cells existed as early as the Empire's formation, but the actual Alliance was always formed very late into the timeline. Mon Mothma, Bail, and Garm had been doing their own things for over a decade before they united and formed the Alliance and a bunch of other fragmented groups followed suit around the Battle of Yavin.
Honestly, I think the moth balled Sith plot line, was probably something like she opened one or two of the troopers, they killed her and her friends and then just went back to being gaurds
I just thought of another dropped storyline: what happened to Zayne Carrick of the Knights of the Old Republic comic books, between The Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War, a.k.a. The 2ns Sith War that Darths Revan and Malak launched.
On Silri's story...
Read Supernatural Encounters :)
What are you talking about? I DO NOT remember her being a pivotal character on those mystical tales!
@@michaelandreipalon359 Not the original version, no, but the updated final one out on the site now!
Silri and the Consortium only make brief cameos, which ultimately leave an even bigger cliffhanger for that part of the timeline than Forces of Corruption did.
(Edit because UA-cam won't let me make new comments on this specific video for some reason)
@RevanX77 It's in the Supernatural Encounters download you can find on the Star Wars Timeline website. Silri's part is in Chapter 83. I think it was updated earlier this year, because I noticed an older version of the book I got elsewhere didn't have that part.
@@shadowslayer205 Seriously, where is this again?
@@shadowslayer205 Yeah I ditto this, where are they shown and how?
Could we get a part 2 of this, or even a series if theres enough content as im very sure theres more examples. Good vid Corey
Yeah when making these types of videos you could do one just on video games alone.
@@DanBen07 frr bro
Fortunately for The Force Unleashed and Imperial Commando, a fanfic author known as Handofthrawn45 made well written conclusions for both respective stories and can be found online. It’s called “The Force Restored” and “Twilight of the Jedi: The Dying Day”
Much appreciated. Copying these for later:
Force Unleashed and Imperial Commando a fanfic, fanfiction, fan fiction continuations, sequel,
“The Force Restored” and “Twilight of the Jedi: The Dying Day"
Honestly, I found the HandofThrawn45 fanfics to be terribly written, which also just skip absolutely vital bits. They're very plot driven with characters acting like automatons to randomly behave a certain way to force some rather contrived plotlines.
I seriously don't understand why people like them.
There are three from the X-Wing series. The first is the third expansion disk Totally Games was planning on making for the original X-Wing, although we don't have any details about what it would be other than some files on the second expansion disk. The second is the fate of the remainder of the traitor Harkov's fleet; I think it was never finished off. The third is from X-Wing: Alliance, but I don't want to tell you in case you ever pick it up again.
Oh, yeah, the fate of Hamo Blastwell, among other characters in the feelies, is still a mystery.
The fleet was trivial enough, so it must have been easily taken out by the loyalist hunters.
Still hoping XWAU gets a fully voiced, well done fanmade expansion pack that closes that loose end and more. Besides, the FreeSpace modding community, bless 'em, did the same with the FS(1) Port add-on Silent Threat: Reborn.
Legacy storyline with Nihil taking the One Sith back into hiding.
I would have loved to see more of the Insiders. It was such a cool idea, and I wish it had more time to get fleshed out.
I don't know if this was cut or anything but I like Nym from the Star Wars Starfighter video games. They did 2 games one tied into episode 1 film & then 2nd episode 2 film. But no more. I understand they did Comics but I didn't know about those at the time. I thought they would be another third game with him around the time of episode 3 (that's just what I thought) but no. I don't know if anything was planned or cancelled or they just naturally finish with second game or those Comics were continuation that finish the story I don't know.
1:06 lmao I say they should do it anyways if they can have another dark sider with a secret army and navy in the unknown why not
Great vid! My biggest what could have been want was always the sword of the jedi trilogy for Jaina. Idk if anyone has ever said what it was gonna be about or if they got that far planning but I loved Jaina XD and it would have been a good cap to her character
Sword of the Jedi where it was supposed to be a Jaina centric story following Star Wars: Crucible.
Love this video concept, would love to see another
Why not just have all three invasions happen at different times?
I like the thrawn clone storyline it definitely feels like something someone like thrawn would have and i hope this gets explored in the future
So would the question about what happened to the surviving One Sith, like Talon, be a cut story line before or after the EU was destroyed to make way for Disney Canon?
After the reboot. While the second run of the Legacy comics was always going to prioritize a new cast of characters, it was also intended to tie up loose narrative threads left by the original run.
The problem is that its publication started in the 18-month period between the Disney acquisition of the franchise, and the official discontinuation and decanonization of the EU. Because of this, the series was cut short and suffered a very rushed conclusion without being able to address the fate of most characters from the original Legacy run.
George wanted to see Talon as the New Big Bad.
Honestly, one should be fine just finishing with Legacy: War. Legacy II feels a bit fillery.
@@conradojavier7547 It was both Maul and Talon he would've used as the main antagonists for his own sequel trilogy, but he wouldn't have taken the Legacy comics into consideration at all. Despite his imput on some creative choices for some EU stories, he wasn't beholden by its continuity and would've had no qualms about overwriting the entire post-OT era to tell the story he wanted.
What about Omega squads mission to Mandalore teased at the end of the 501st novel. Even though it would have tied into one of the worst Expanded Universe books
No wonder there's a growing fan movement of only deeming Republic Commando: Hard Contact as a standalone tie-in to the video game.
I give the Commando novels a pass despite Traviss' Travissisms. It was interesting seeing the clones basically trying to find a cure for themselves and search for a place in the galaxy, and having different perspectives on their role in the war.
Ah yes, Zahn and his obsession to have heroes team up with Thrawn. Though other than with Ezra I believe teaming up with Ben Skywalker would be slightly more interesting simply so we'd get his reaction to the Yuuzhan Vong invasion and all that being in the past - show us what else the blue guy would do with his life.
Surely he wouldn't have just used the grysk as a big scare either way, right? ...Right?
I’m sick of people calling zahn a crypto fascist for his thrawn stuff lol. That’s probably one reason why more stories with him didn’t happen.
I would have loved the Sword of the Jedi and more stuff about the Fel Empire
Excellent work.
It really would’ve been cool to see Sev training and leading special forces in the Rebel Alliance
Fate of the Galfridian siblings from Invasion as well as the Outer Rim Alliance.
Sword of the Jedi trilogy
Whatever Troy Denning had planned to make Tahiri Veila do beyond that scene in Invincible towards an underage Ben Skywalker.
The fate of Zayne Carrick and the characters from the KOTOR comics.
More from the Dawn of the Jedi and Cade Skywalker's Legacy comics and maybe how the hell Ania Solo was related to Han and Leia when their only surviving offspring was married to a Fel and their granddaughter was a Hapan princess.
Ben Skywalker, son of Luke, teaming up with the clone of Thrawn for a quest is something I didn't know I wanted until I heard it. And did they want to make Force Unleashed III?
I’m convinced that Sword of the Jedi were gonna say first Luke and Leia, then Jaina and Jacen were supposed to be the replacements of the Twin Gods, and they just keep knocking it back a generation til they get it right (So now Allana will have twins - she’ll be the Father’s role while they’re the fanged god/winged goddess
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RIP to the Dark Horse invasion story. I have no basis on which to make this claim but I feel it would’ve been better or at least different.
I enjoy these meta videos discussing how got the stories we got
Would be cool if they could tell us what the New sith roster would have been like. In terms of specific units
Can we just come together and continue these stories with what clues we have?
I imagine people have already done that. There's probably some good fanfic about all of this stuff.
Yeah, you have no idea how many KOTOR 3 fanfics are out there.
We know what happened in 2008 and then in 2010 that killed Republic Commando franchise 😂
I always wished that the Dark Times comics from dark horse got a proper ending
Additionally, regarding the potential third Force Unleashed game, Sam Witwer has given some details about it without going against any agreements made should Disney Lucasfilm want to pursue it at a later date or repurpose it. The shorthand is that at the end of the story, Starkiller would be betrayed by Vader yet again, and while confident that he could finally defeat and destroy Vader once and for all, Vader would reveal to Starkiller how powerful he truly was, that he had always been holding back how proficient he was with the Dark Side of the Force, to which Starkiller's final words would have been along the lines of "How... How are you this powerful?!" to which Vader would reply along the lines of echoing his sentiments from the first game; "I told you. I lied, from the very beginning, about everything." and would then succinctly kill Starkiller. I paraphrase the exact words, but it's more or less the sentiments that Sam described they were going to present.
I'm honestly way more curious what happened to the Zann Consortium, Tyber and Urai after the game
I think the nightsister Silri thought she knew what she was doing, woke up the soldiers and they recognized her as enemy, killed her and went back to sleep waiting for the right person to find them to fight against the Sith. So they are still around in the future. The mothballed fleet never made sense to me, after all that time they would not be reliable. Also, the troopers would have one hell of a carbonite hibernation sickness and I expect lost their sight completely, needing cybernetics to compensate.
Empire at war was a hidden gem and the fact we never got a sith empire that came back and was playable.....disappointment is immeasurable....EAW deserves not only a remake but clean up the cut content and add new dlc
I always wondered how they drowned the Thrawn clone when he was in a cloning tank with a oxygen mask presumably.....like when luke was in the bacta tank.....guessing it shorted out the equipment....but if you were super smart and built your hideout underground near a lake, and had cloning tech wouldnt you make it waterproof?😮😮😮
I guess Legacy Era Darth Maul and Talon ("They're friends!") is in the next video, then.
The republic commando novels are absolutely great. I am really disappointed the series was never finished.
The nukes that the New Republic had in Vector Prime would have been useful in the later Vong war if they had just remembered they existed
the real question is, at the end of legacy comics ania solo was attacked by an unknown group. So who were the attackers? what if kylo ren discovered the legends universe and killed not only ania solo but murdered cade skywalker, and abeloth created disney canon universe
Ah damn, Galen Marek. I think he's far cooler than those weird Inquisitors.
Such a shame about force unleashed 3 never happening. Those games first g9t be really jooked on stsr wars after my childhood phase of wstching all the VHS tapes of the OT died off.
Vader, & Starkiller stuck on a Planet, sounds like Ahsoka to me with Ahsoka the White & Her Mando Padawan stuck in a Space Crab Planet.
@@conradojavier7547 And thats not an unworkable premise. Vader landinf on a planet of scavengrrs and conqueoring it becssue he can sounda like a cool idea.
It is a shame tfu 3 didn’t come to fruition
#6: Jaden Korr''s story
They should just make all of these games and give them the "Legends" banner.
Very minor, but I always wanted some sort of indication as to what happened to Vianna D'Pow and her clone daughter
i just want something other than empire vs nr/rebels.... i want the grysk war, would like to thrawn to fight grysk on screen
Man, instead of Mara Jade and Ben Skywalker we got Luke losing his temper about a vision regarding his teen nephew and almost killing him; then letting said nephew kill all the Jedi and destroy his temple, and instead of bringing Ben in for justice, he yeeted himself to a literal island and cut himself off from the Force. Luke. F&cking. Skywalker. What a shitty replacement story.
Wouldnt a mothballed fleet from Revan be reslly weak? Im imagining Han and Lando dealinf eith the whole fleet in the falcon.
No Star forge ships were powerful, and I assume they would keep them for a reason.
@@DM5550Z Although the question would then become why Revan or Malek hid and armada and army away while they were busy tsking over the galaxy
Gotta remember the star forge ships were like 20,000 year old designs that used the power of the dark side. Even being an additional 5000 years older they'd be a threat because of that advantage. Instead of measuring their capabilities in turbo lasers or missiles you measure it in pure hatred
@@michaeltrombley-ir5yp Werent those ships still defeates by the republic and jedi fleet? So they couldnt have been that fsr sbove the galactic standard at the time.
@@ianmckee4726 only occasionally beaten by Republic ships. The Sith were rolling over the opposition untill Malak did his big betrayal. Before that it required more Republic ships to beat one Star Forge capital ships than a 1 to 1 fight. The big victories for the Republic needed battle meditation to even the odds. Something like an executor class would be trouble for the sith ships but a mon cal ship or an ISD wouldn't stand a chance without a 3 to 1 advantage
Tyber Zann was too much of a chad, even against Thrawn. So they nerfed him.
Honestly, the only dropped plots that bothers the Hell outta me are Sev and the original KOTOR III plot, especially the latter. I honestly despise TOR and the Revan novel because they utterly shaft both Revan and the Exile and the original idea of Eldritch Horror Sith, whose like we were given a terrifying taste of with Nihilus, that the Exile has to go out and handle with Revan (whose gender and alignment likely would have been handled like Dragon Age or like in KOTOR II) sounded so much more kriffing awesome in my opinion compared to what we got in TOR.
Sev most likely became the first Rebel Commando/Pathfinder.
I still think KotOR III happened, albeit offscreen not unlike whatever happened between Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge and The Curse of Monkey Island.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Sadly, it would be hard for KOTOR III to happen off screen thanks to the Revan novel.
Remember that, for better or for worse, the Revan and KOTOR III-related stuff ultimately just ended up being an hour-long side-quest in TOR, and you don't really HAVE to speak to Scourge more than a couple times if you don't want to. Point being, the game itself is infinitely larger than the disappointing direction they took Revan, and they thankfully let you ignore most of it to plant your own headcanons in there.
Also, I do think they made the right call with how they showed the Sith. Having the Sith be slightly more uniform Sith society definitely worked in its favour more than just bloodborne-esque Sith abominations (Which would have definitely been really cool, but not for the type of game that TOR was.). The sheer scale of the worldbuilding at play during the 4 Imperial class stories was, in my opinion, a worthy trade-off to the stuff we lost from a potential KOTOR 3.
@@tTaseric Nah, considering the predatory monetary practices in TOR plus the fact that it just honestly wasn't that good, it wasn't a worthy replacement at all.
@@shadekerensky3691 Massively disagree but sure.
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Lux Bonteri’s story is still underdeveloped and unfinished.
It's a Shame they're TOO Busy Remastering Old Games, than make a Sequel of an Old SW Game.
- I think Silri and Tyber Zann fought a successfully covert yet ultimately Pyrrhic shadow war with the ancient army in mind, but no rehashed Katana Fleet. Could explain why the Zann Consortium lost relevance rather jarringly come the Thrawn campaign
- Didn't mind this becoming a nice piece of subversions, the clone's demise. After all, the panic of non-existent clones is arguably a perfect brushstroke from the dead man.
- Became the first ever Rebel Commando, most likely fought his former Delta allies repeatedly in several battlezones, and either ended with all being mutually KIA or successfully converted his allies to the fledgling Rebellion. Either way, we need a proper Legends conclusion regardless if it's in novel or webcomic form... the teased Alt-universe resolving via, I don't know, The Bad Batch should never count either.
- Meh. The Force Unleashed, preferably in its PS2/Wii/PSP/Switch form, should stay standalone in true Legends canon.
- Also meh. Skippable filler, not unlike the DC Animated Universe's The Zeta Project.
Should have replaced the latte two with the fates of Zayne Carrick and co., let alone Dass Jennir and his own company.
Honestly my head canon is that Tyber Zann in his search for Emperor's Vaults found Wayland and turned into a candle.
@@ArmedPotat0 Too anticlimactic.
Let's hope The Thrawn Clone is not an Fat Baby calling for his Witch Grand Mamas.
I am still very upset that Disney relegate the whole Yuuzhan Vong material to Legends. I’ll rather see Yuuzhan Vong Worldships than see another planet destroying recycled Imperial II lookalike trash Xyston Class ship.