PHP doesn't suck (anymore)
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
- PHP in 2023 is very different than PHP in 2012. Let's run through some of the changes!
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00:00 Intro
01:16 Traits
01:34 Short array syntax
01:47 Array destructuring
02:05 Variadic functions
02:12 Spread and splat
02:34 Generators
02:49 Anonymous classes
03:06 Trailing commas in function calls
03:26 Arrow functions
03:48 Null coalescing and null coalescing assignment
04:11 Null chaining operator
04:36 Named arguments
04:47 Attributes (annotations)
05:05 Non-capturing catch
05:28 Sensitive parameter attribute
05:43 Match statements
06:12 Weak maps
06:28 Enums
07:04 Typehints
07:19 Types, types, and more types
09:27 Readonly properties and classes
09:47 Addressing the speed of PHP - Наука та технологія
Sorry man. If you liked Looper, I can't trust your ability to determine what sucks
Oh it gets worse. I have an entire page on my site that ranks the Fast and Furious movies. aaronfrancis.com/lists
@@aarondfrancis it makes sense that you make videos on php AND have a list like that.
@@MrNedinator two awesome things!
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@@aarondfrancis, you are truly gigachad! Continue doing what you love!
How is it possible? Ten minutes flew so fast.
You rock, man. Keep it up!
Thank you so much!
"when have you personally needed 50,000 requests per second? how many users do you have?" 💀
Had to do it to 'em
* thdxr enters the chat *
Which language should we use in this case? What do you think guys.... Python? I don't think so...
@@bgeneto if you're hitting 50k plus it's time to roll some qbasic
@@bgenetosomething compiled maybe
Most people that say "PHP sucks" have never used PHP and started coding with javascript with React
Well, js and react suck as much as PHP does
@kwinso I avoid JS like the plague. Unfortunately JS is the web's programming language but if I can do it without Javascript, I'll do it without Javascript
@@kwinso What doesn't suck in your opinion (for back-end web development)?
@@AprendaWebDevRust or Go
I have used PHP. I had to make my own PHP framework to make the language remotely usable.
It fucking sucks. The only usable thing about PHP is that it’s Turing complete, but hey so is brainfuck.
I sometimes wish I hadn't missed out on PHP when it was popular. I got into web dev with React around 4 years ago. It sometimes feels like the Node ecosystem is finding increasingly convoluted ways of reinventing PHP.
leave it. learn ruby with rails (full stack mvc), sorbet (statical types) and hotwire (SPAs, animations etc.), or elixir with phoenix (also full stack mvc) and liveview (SPAs...). laravel has something similar btw, livewire for SPAs.
javascript and node have chaotic ecosystem, in time dependencies grow into unmanagable and unreliable mess. also, react has insane update rates. both problems will result in burnout. aside from javascript being javascript.
Learn serious framework written in well designed language. The 3 i have mentioned are fullstack, meaning that you can use them to build frontend and backend, APIs, CMSs, SPAs and so on. With wasm the possibilities are endless. And if you want to have knowledge about client-side apps, learn Angular - stable, mature, consistent. And there are 2 version for different usages. One written in Typescript, the other in Dart.
oh, and do not be a fullstack at work. You will have 2 times more responsibilities than front or backend dev. If front-end -> Angular, Dart, maybe Flutter and Unity if you want mobile apps, games, interactive movies. If backend -> Rails, Phoenix (the advantage is concurrency/parralelism and functional, not object-oriented paradigm, contrary to the rest options) or Laravel (or Symfony). That is, if you want to stick with web development. If operating systems and desktop apps would be more interesting -> C and Rust, maybe Zig but start with Nim, Crystal or Go to be comfortable with compiled languages and different memory management methods and garbage collection styles. If big data, machine learning, computer science and AI -> Python, Julia, Matlab, R and Ocaml. Python and Julia are the easiest, Ocaml is as difficult as Rust.
Do not touch the JVM ecosystem, it is a mess comparable to node case.
And it for the most part is still worse that php
To me who started on PHP around 2012 and continued using it until around 2017 and moved to React it seems that PHP of today is also finding ways of reinventing JavaScript, which I don't see as a bad thing. We learn and we grow collectively from each other and somewhere around year 2100 we'll have one language to rule them all.... but to my experience it will end up competing with every other language and these wars will continue. :D
Because it is, just in a bad way 😅
PHP and Turbo is all you need for most use cases.
I had no idea PHP evolved so much. All of the things I wish it had when I stopped using it actually are implemented now. Awesome vid!
I actually got my first job in PHP 10 years ago and since then jumped around using, JS, GO, Python, C# and today I work for a company who uses PHP. Its definitely not dead.
when someone claims that something is not dead, then it definitely is. otherwise no need in such statements
you are not dead @@guai9632
Python is not dead.@@guai9632
@@guai9632 >70% of web, dead sure
I started my career with PHP, 5 years ago and even if I now work primarily in Go, I still keep up with all the new features. It's still massively useful to me for small websites and other minor projects.
same here, hail Go :3
even minor projects i use Go XD
hey go devs, may I ask what do you use go on your daily basis@@kokizzu
@@kokizzuyou guys tried sveltekit?
Work has pushed me from php to go... Haven't worked much with go, but so far I think... php is light years better for web dev, and likely in general. Jesus Christ no ternary... useless vars and statements FTW... what a load of bs....
@@morphles If you ever worked in a big team you would have learned to hate ternaries.
Just keep the code readable.
from someone who went from c# to php, and saw all those changes from php 5 to 7 and now 8, this language is gathering its fast application on market alongside with the goods that comes with statically typed languages. Absolutely amazing work from the PHP team!
Honestly we owe the PHP team a lot for continuing to adapt
if you use PHP and talk of speed, you are in wrong application area :D
also, xeons and memory these days are cheap, add as many cores as needed. 2004 PHP was struggling, not anymore.
All of this new unique feature that new PHP has now, C# had in 2008
True, many of them. But PHP started as a scripting language to create dynamic web pages. It was initially developed by Rasmus Lerdorf in 1993. Rasmus was not an expert in compiler design. C#, instead, has been designed by Anders Hejlsberg, who created Turbo Pascal, Delphi, and then eventually moved in Microsoft when he first built a Java compiler, and then he made C#, and most recently Typescript. Hejlsberg is one of the most influent compiler designer. That why C# used to be so much better.@@nikolaslijepcevic
Dude! C# had a lot of positive changes over the same time. I'm not sure if you got the better deal or not.
Thank you for continuously promoting PHP. From a fellow PHP developer.
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yes, we moved from "some" framework to php with our 1M uniq per mo, and hardware cost lowers x3
I'm coming from the Java world and started learning PHP for a future personal side gig, and after reading about PHP 7 and 8, I'm excited about it. I chose PHP over NodeJS because I didn't want to deal with NPM hell.
Loved the video! The flow of it was purely amazing and entertaining! I am using PHP professionally and yet most of these went under my radar.
I am an SE student for this fall semester we use PHP in one of our courses. this video was a relief. honestly, I have only heard bad things about PHP and I was worried. thanks for the video.
thats why people who criticize PHP are so damn annoying, they are doing a disservice to everyone and they are just misinformed.
Sorry. The bad things are still there. But you'll never run out of job options. NEVER.
Almost every language has bad things in it.
But PHP is the only programming language designed specifically for web backends; it's a great fit for the task.
@@neptronix I'm pretty sure sending JSON and dealing with non-get and non-post methods are a pain. I don't think PHP is designed for anything other than server side rendered HTML
@@pixelsam123
it sounds like could understand PHP a little better.
PHP can handle JSON extremely well and even has an optional SIMD accelerated library for it.
It can certainly deal with non-post methods, we use them.
And yes, it excels at and was originally designed around sending hypertext through the hypertext transmission protocol.
It does the above better than any other language i've seen.. and the reason should be obvious, it was designed for web backends from the start.. hypertext is even in the name.. :)
Great video! It's been quite some years since I worked with PHP, happy to see it has adapted a lot of the features, I enjoy in other languages (C# and Typescript). Keep up the good work
"I'm no longer an accountant, and PHP no longer sucks" 😂💖
Everything works together for the good 😂 ❤️
Aaron, I love your videos man! I am so happy that you became popular in the community and started doing such cool things!
Haven't really touched PHP since 2004. It was nice to have a summary of those things. I appreciate the fast pace!
For huge number of requests you can use the Swoole extension where you get a Node-like webserver continuesly running and processing requests with an event loop. At one place I even had to introduce sleeps in the microsecond range as the database was not fast enough to keep up with changed data.
Or just use roadrunner if your framework uses psr request/response objects
Sweet.
You recapped very well.
Although I was aware of almost all of them, I could never recap this way.
Good for you!
Thanks!
Glad I finally found your personal channel. Love your videos!
It's me! You made it! 🫡
Thank's a lot Aaron for this great video and your support for PHP 🙏👍😀
Dude, I feel like I am quite on the edge using PHP8.1 and stuff for quite a long time but even I learned something thats cool AND useful to me (usually it's just cool). Great video!
I used PHP for work (specifically with Laravel), and I was introduced to 7.4, but when I saw what 8.0 and 8.1 had, I knew PHP was a competitor. I would still likely not choose it, but it's definitely on par with modern languages in my opinion. Thanks for making this!
Php with enums, union types, and match was what got me through the pain of -> . Else I would've resigned, laravel or not
It took so long to get enums. That was a glaring problem with PHP for years.
Amazing video. Didn’t know PHP could do most of these. Lovely features.
An interesting overview of new things! But what made me dislike PHP back in the day isn't so much what it lacked, but the weird things it DID have. I'd be very interested in a video about what ISN'T in modern PHP... what are some things that were bad that nobody uses anymore (even if they're technically in the language)?
Interesting question... I'll noodle on it!
Rest assured no one has ever touched goto operator 😂
Or eval for that matter… not any time recently
Gone entirely or indeed so rarely used that they might actually be gone: non-numeric strings comparing equal to 0, eval, register_globals, magic quotes, open_basedir, a lot of the headaches with different character encodings (UTF-8 is now the [sane] default everywhere), the mysql extension (all mysqli now), the "each" function (the foreach construct makes much more sense)
It really is a slow process to get things removed from the language, as that will usually prevent someone from just upgrading. However, there was a big game changer: Composer dependency manager.
First impression: PHP became a Frankenstein's monster because it mixed and matched a ton of features of at least half a dozen other languages. But of course languages seem to converge more and more, it's interesting to think about when are they going to be so similar that they would stop multiplying like they keep doing at the moment.
one decisive factor is the ecosystem: laravel symfony and apiplatform... very few (if any ?) backend oriented languages have such a strong ecosystem when it comes to productivity, 8.2 + those tools = the best backend developer experience out there
@@bilp_bloup_bot I'm not an expert at web app backend development so bear this in mind when you respond: what's your opinion about Python and its related "ecosystem" with respect to backend development experience? Isn't it efficient/straightforward/mature enough?
I already knew php wasn't dead because this channel exists.
I've been using PHP for my job for the last 14 years or so, I try to keep up with the version updates but so often forget what's possible because I'm so used to old school PHP. I learnt a completely new one from your video though, I did not know you could pass key: value named parameters to functions that's amazing! 😲Also had forgotten about the match() function instead of switch statements which is beautiful.
I've been using PHP professionally as my primary language since PHP 3, it rocks a lot more than it used to!!
😂 remember when PHP 4 slowly made it to virtual hosting machines and broke everything so you had to rename files .php3 for them to be ran through the php3 interpreter 😅
XAMPP & WAMP
@@nimmneun yeah I remember it well, there were a few episodes like that through the years but each one brought more understanding of the architecture, I'm happy it taught so much
@@coldestbeer LEMP/LAMP stacks mainly but I do have a VM with XAMPP that I use sometimes
@@74Gee I'm talking about the old days when I'd use xamp & wamp. Today its lamp.
Php continues to get the job done! Something else that's a "newer" addition I love...using First class callable syntax, often in place of where I may have a verbose arrow function callback. Places like collections, array methods, or even when you need a callback to bind a class into the container.
This man knows his stuff.
@mabdullahsari Says the very man who introduced me to FCC's!
Your content, enthusiasm and embracing style makes me relish the fact I have endured with PHP since version3 - keep up these amazing posts - thank you
Gah that's so encouraging. Thank you
Really worth the time, i enjoyed the video. and learnt a few things. Thanks Aaron
Small correction to your array destructuring segment: No, you didn't have to manually declare seperate variables and then access by index. Long before that was a feature, PHP shipped with the list() function which does essentially the same thing only slightly more verbose
A very good point indeed. Forgot about list
example please
$info = array('coffee', 'brown', 'caffeine');
// Listing all the variables
list($drink, $color, $power) = $info;
echo "$drink is $color and $power makes it special.
";@@mibrahim4245
@@mibrahim4245 $array = [1, 2, 3]; list($first, $second) = $array; var_dump($first, $second); //int(1), int(2)
True, but list is fussy. You can only use it with indexed arrays, and you don't have much control over which elements to extract.
List:
$array = [10, 20, 30];
list($foo, $bar, $cat) = $array;
echo $foo; // Outputs: 10
echo $bar; // Outputs: 20
echo $cat; // Outputs: 30
Destructuring:
$array = ['a' => 10, 'b' => 20, 'c' => 30];
['c' => $foo, 'b' => $bar] = $array;
echo $foo; // Outputs: 30
echo $bar; // Outputs: 20
I'm switching jobs. After about 10 years of PHP I worked with Java for almost 5 years and soon back to PHP. I'm excited to use this modern and useful syntax!
You do good videos, and seem positive. Good job! Also, I love PHP, so that helps. I wish you did more videos on PHP.
I want to be a positive force for PHP. Thank you for saying that. ❤️
This is amazing! Thanks for the rundown. Haven't used PHP since 2013 probably, when I was doing WordPress brochure sites. I might just have to try it again someday!
Most of these have been implemented in other languages, so I'd be still sticking to Typescript. But the sensitive variable stuff is very intriguing, not going to lie.
Typescript is still JavaScript @ runtime 🤮
For those like me who never thought PHP sucked, title of this video is "Modern PHP in 10 minutes!". Thanks @aarondfrancis!
I love that this is JUST talking about PHP. The language itself has grown so much, and this video doesn't even touch on the fantastic ecosystem, the best package manager around (composer), frameworks like Laravel, etc.
I want to do one on composer only at some point. It's so so good
@@aarondfrancisDefinitely on composer, Its d d d best
Amazing. Was working with PHP for years, but it's almost 10 years ago. Now I see that it is evolving as every other language and for me it looks like all languages are coming closer to each other providing same tricks and shortcuts for us :)
Great wrap up Aaron. Thanks for this. Enum is so good.
Really well-made video. It demonstrates how PHP caught up with TypeScript in a lot of ways.
This is incredible news for PHP developers. The reason I feel PHP isn't very relevant today, however, is that I don't see any reason why someone would switch from TypeScript/Kotlin/Python to PHP.
Considering that 80% of all websites run on PHP, I'd say that PHP is the most relevant of all. The UA-cam influencer bubble gives a skewed perception of reality. In the real world, PHP is king.
Python is slow as shit as an application language, Koatlin/Java is proprietary and expensive to run and TypeScript is not even a language. JS is indispensable but a mess of a language.
@@mrk131324 openjdk is free and not proprietary
PHP is 3x faster than Python now
PHP has Laravel. All you need.
Great video. Thank you for your efforts
Best video of the year Aaron! 🥰
i have been using PHP for several years and still work with many version, and named function arguments are easily my favorite
I find that PHP is really all I need for most things I build. PHP, Twig and Turbo goes a long way.
If I have something more complicated, there's Symfony and Laravel.
I do prefer other languages, but just for making a website without much hassle, PHP is the way to go.
Yet another gem, thanks Aaron!
wow, i have learning much from this video, i had not idea of naming parameters in functions, "match" function, destructure in array,
While your points are valid and PHP definitely isn't dead, would be interesting to see a comparison of PHP to the other options to really see if it's worth adding to one's skillset. I feel like a lot of companies are still using PHP because they haven't been able to afford to switch to something else due to having large scale apps. Awesome video :)
If you ask contextless question like „which language is the fastest?” The answer will never be one of the popular languages (zig is the fastest language, Lua the fastest scripting language). Which language is most performant for handling web requests? Elixir/Erlang. What matters much more is the landscape and infrastructure around that language. Here PHP is King in the web application environment, no other language can compete. And nowadays PHP outperforms all other big name scripting languages (except Node).
PHP is amazing, and far from dead, PHP is what got me programming at the age of just 9 years old, its languages like PHP that really give people the opportunity to learn programming.
Time to look at PHP again. Awesome video!
Loved this. Thanks. Subscribed.
Definitely a +1 with the PHP speed, we run a game analytics platform and we easily handle 20-30mil requests per week. It’s nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be
Isn’t that like 2 requests per second?
@@dhkatz_ no, it‘s up to 50 per second
Haters gonna hate....They were saying PHP was gonna die 10 years ago. It's changed so much, continues to grow, has a great, supportive community, and owns how much of the web again? Just Wordpress alone (love it or hate it) is enough said.
If PHP is enough for me to make decent cash to support my family... I ride the PHP wave until it crashes. PHP lives on.....
PHP is dead walking
even fortran and algol is not completely dead. they just aren't as alive as they used to be. so is php
OK I am in love with this video; Bravo to the editor. You sir have earned a subscriber.
🫡 I won't let you down!
Last time i worked with PHP the only issue I had was code intellisense and type error reporting while coding (which I love most about TypeScript atm). There was some plugin to make it better but it was very resource (CPU/RAM) exhaustive. Is that better now?
Btw ... I hope you'll find the chance to do videos a bit more frequently. They are pleasant to watch and there are many cool/modern open source projects to cover ... and PHP is not just wordpress, laravel and symfony 😊
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy them. I'm certainly going to try to do them more frequently
@@aarondfrancisso nice that you followed through 🎉 100k subs this year gogogooo 🎉
Thank you Aaron for keeping the PHP flame alive!
These new kids think every shinny new toy is better than the last one, they see NextJS and think PHP is dead, when we know that's not the case.
I say PHP is years ahead of anything in the NodeJS ecosystem, it's just so bad and needs to mature a lot, the ecosystem and the community around it...
Well problem is there is no job in our country for PHP developers .. well there are some jobs but those jobs are about deprecated code in PHP or moving PHP into some reasonable codebases which are written in .. Java, C# or Python. So yeah PHP is dying .. even my university does not teach PHP anymore.
thanks Aaron for yet another great video.
A perfect video. Quick, informative, and entertaining.
I think it will be linked very often in response to lazy comments.
If you need to handle many requests or in async, PHP Swoole can be used. Also, use load balancers and put as many web servers under as needed. PHP is still scalable in this way 😂. And when the cloud servers starts to get expensive, you can always switch to dedicated servers with 80 cores, 256 GB RAM, 2x4TB nvme disks for 260 EUR per month. Those should be able to eat some req per sec and store some data for ya! 👍
The existence of swoole indicates that there's something lacking in the language.
Yeah. I have a side projects where Google decided to send me ~500k additional real users over a couple of days (they suddenly added >100k pages to the Google index) with millions of requests. My little server for that costs less than 50 USD per month and wasn't disturbed at all. Just proper modern code with PHP 8.2 and it ruuunnnns.
I really like when a language improves but I think most of the time you end up working in a 7 years old project that is never updated, I believe that's the reason why devs prefer moving to other language.
Pretty good point, probably true
The problem is going to be repeated after the 7 years for the application built with new Language too. So it’s not the language which is a problem but the culture of the company is.
Great job Aaron - I will probably refer back to this video several times ;)
there is no way this is PHP??!? yall just looked at JS and thought... huh!! *copies syntax frantically* 🙂
js devs: 🧐👀
am dead! 😂😂 but i love it. I will try PHP.
The best part is that is all vanilla / native. no need external tools ;(
thanks for this video!!! I've been working with php for 2 years, but didn't know some of this stuff. Thanks
Thanks for this Aaron
Great video! 👍
Has been ages since I last used PHP. Thanks for the update.
Great explained, thanks
Nice video Aaron, caught a bunch of stuff I wasn’t aware of!
This made me realize how outdated my code was for something I built a year ago. Thank you!!!!
Hey you are that friendo from the very good planetscale vids. Subbed! You are great :)
It's me! Hi! Thanks for the kind words
Well done, I remember writing PHP a few years ago, used it for a quick website for my wedding and had used it previously for a small church website in early 2000s but it's good to know the language isn't what it used to be.
Really good video, btw. I was unaware of some of these more recent developments since I've been using primarily Python since the apocalypse.
Good job, man!
I start using php since year ago because it similar with typescript, one last thing is laravel the most happiest programming language i ever see
I use PHP 8.2 every day - I thought I was pretty up-to-date on modern PHP, but you've just blown my mind with the null chaining operator. No idea how I missed that!
Your way of saying things is so much fun, making this a really fun and easy watch, I have a little comment, it would be nice to just tag every example with a since PHP x version, so we have a reference, thanks for sharing
This video is awesome! 👏
8:54 Love the transition from types to constructor promotion!
Thank you! I was proud of that one 🤓
Killing it homie 🤜🤛 Keep it up!
Thanks Tony! ❤️
Best possible productive 11 minutes. 🔥
awesome. great work
Wow, first off great video - thanks. Second, I need to look into PHP again (last used it circa 2010 ). Had no idea the improvements. Between this and your Laravel video I'm excited to do some weekend hacking. Installing PhpStorm...
Whoah! Didn't know they added all this! Might have to brush up on some PHP!
A nice summary of new features of PHP! I still won't use it haha, but it is nice to see that a lot of effort has gone into improving PHP.
Amazing video, thank you as always! My PHP experience was always limited to Wordpress, and even that I haven't touched in awhile...
You are such a great communicator! Thanks for the video. Learning PHP right now, and am kind of not understanding why people hate on it, since it seems very capable to me. Of course I haven't really tried any other server side lang yet, but still. PHP definitely gets the job done smoothly.
Will be learning JavaScript and Ajax to get client side rendering going on my projects as well. In combination with PHP I cant see a better easily-learned combination of web dev languages
I'm using PHP for backend and JS for frontend and it's working flawlessly!
I'm suffering from a bit of JavaScript burnout right now and this video makes me remember how much fun PHP can be!
PHP 7 performance boost was so massive that the earth started to spin faster when it was released.
Two little known superpowers of PHP are: Arrays and CLI. First, the PHP array (hash table) implementation is unique among all programming and scripting languages: Integer and string keys in the same data structure while _maintaining order of inserted items_ when iterating over the array and yet having O(1) for all operations. Second, PHP CLI allows for _system development._ Sure, you can run PHP CLI from cron jobs but you can _also_ develop and deploy root level, always-on system services that start with the OS at boot. Throw in PHP extensions (e.g. via PECL or roll your own) and you can expose any C library or system call to PHP CLI userland.
Well done, thank you sir!!!
Php has really made some improvements. Nice to see.
Hello, Aaron. Thank you for everything you’re putting out! It has helped me tremendously and I can’t thank you enough. ❤
Would you be interested in making a video about your php dev environment, maybe plugins that you’re using and stuff like that? I’m sure it would make trying php even more easier for those that never did it, me included!
You’re awesome. ✌️🚀
Thank you! And yes, I'll absolutely be making more videos about my environment
I used to use PHP. Then, around when 5.6 came out, I switched to Node out of necessity. I tried to keep up, but the language evolves so fast, it's hard. I love it and I hope I can use it again in the future. Also, learned about enums and match from your video, so thanks!
THANK YOU Aaron!
I've been missing some projects from PHP 7 to 8, and there have been classes that literally end up a quarter of the size they were before. Also, keep discovering features of the language I didn't know about.
Thanks for this video, it's great!
I have never hated on PHP. I loved it and it was my first major programming language (except C++ in high school, but didn't do much with that). JavaScript is my bread and butter now though. I will absolutely still work with PHP and consider it moving forward now that I know the improvements but it'll be extremely hard to convince me to move away from JS.
I author Raylib-PHP native extension, Raylib is a game library for Windows, Linux, macOS, Raspberry Pi and Android. Two items left out is JIT and FFI :). On my M1 Mac Mini it's almost on par with NodeJS, with JIT enabled, in my unscientific test it was about 10% slower, for moving and rendering 100,000 sprites on a screen (44 FPS NodeJS vs 41 FPS PHP with JIT). FFI is critical to let people consume shared libraries .dll, .dylib, .so files in PHP without needing to write low level C code. For Raylib, that comes at a performance hit, which is why I still write C interop PHP bindings. There are still some holes in FFI, i.e setting up native C callbacks is not supported on all platforms and leaks memory.