'02 Mini Cooper: No Comm-Dead Dash case study
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2015
- As usual, this European throws a curve ball. Not only is the problem obscure, but the lack of good wiring diagrams makes this diagnosis even more fun and exciting...
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I was at MINI cooper for a few years before going to an indy shop. I love working on these car. VERY easy for the most part. once you learn the little tricks like sliding out the connectors, it makes them super easy.
Nice find.
Ivan, you always come through with a fix! Never doubted you for a minute. You make it interesting for me. I always learn. Thanks.
Thank you Michael! Learning something new is always my #1 goal with all the videos :)
Great job Ivan. I love these diagnostic videos.
Green is my favourite colour. Great blind Diag Ivan, in the UK we deal with these issues daily. Cheers, Steve 👍
Great diagnostic work Ivan.
You don't even know how helpful this was. My daughter bought a mini 2003 as an extra vehicle. The car had 119k on it. She made it 20 miles after purchase and it spun a rod bearing. I did a salvage yard engine swap to a engine with 48k, (never ever do an engine swap on a mini) anyway finished it, great motor, and I had some suspicions about the reason the bearing spun because I went with her to purchase the car and it ran like a,sewing machine. Ok well when I did the swap I noticed very little coolant, now I'm am old engine bulider, owned an auto parts store, raced, all that so I have taught my daughters about vehicles and my daughter knew to keep her eyes on the guages. What i failed to teach her is the temperature sensor doesn't read anything but fluid so if you have no coolant it reads pretty much ok. It was pouring rain when she bought the car. Long story kinda short, the electrical gremlins decided to attack and stopped the coolant fan from working. Now also things are acting strange so I bet you this thing also has been wet and the same connector is corroded. Thanks again young man you have really helped me out. Of course all but the part where dad has to lay upside down in the floor board and solder all the bad wires. Thanks again
Awesome job man! Those minis are a pain. 100% agree, the owner needs to sell that bucket FAST. Thanks for the video and bringing us along!
Great job tracking down the problem!
Excellent troubleshooting, Ivan!
Nice job Ivan. I saw you with Eric on his Video with South main Auto. Checking out your vids. Love seeing mechanics like us out in the field. Keep up the good work.
This is one of the many reasons why I avoid buying an auction car.. If I were to I'd really limit my spend and likely be outbid in most cases. Great video (as always)!
Excellent job Ivan. I had a Mini not long ago with inop wipers. After pulling out the little hair I had left I discovered a fuzzy green wire under the under hood power distribution box was the problem. A piece of wire and solder finally was the fix. I have come to the conclusion after my tormenting experience and watching your video that the wiring in a Mini sucks the big one.
Great diagnosis Ivan without the use of a wiring diagram! The "Green Crusties" come as stock in the UK!
Loving your videos, keep up the good work - Rob
Very good video! Thank you for making this. Helps a ton.
This car actually has a Chrysler 1.6L engine that was built in the Chrysler plant in Brazil. Rover and Chrysler made the deal before these cars were built, and once BMW bought out Rover they stayed with Chrysler as the engine supplier for the first several years of the Mini's production. This engine was based on the Neon engine but with decreased displacement for use in other countries besides North America. This same engine was put into the Neon and the PT Cruiser sold in Europe as well as other places around the world. Funny how many folks will brag on their Mini Cooper engine thinking it is a BMW unit, and the newer ones do have a BMW engine, but the first several years of production of the new Mini Cooper all had a Chrysler engine in them.
You excel in your craft, bro...all the best
just bought a Mini dirt cheap due to this very issue.....your vid help me find 6 broken wires and bad BCM on my 02 Mini..water in floorboards...a used ebay BCM and a few junk yard harness connectors..some depinning, heat shrink and soldering...presto all elec body functions work now..thanks!
Excellent find, great video.
Great job of troubleshooting !
Nice to see someone close to home actually take the time to diagnose something instead of just throwing parts at it. Wonder how man people would have just thrown a BCM in there just because the customer said it got wet when the sunroof was open, Good work man! If i ever getting any nightmares like that i just should call you lol your only 30 mins away!
+Devon Morder Awesome! Always looking for good case studies to keep things interesting...also makes for fun vids :)
when you first measured the amp draw you had the door open, that was some of your parasitic draw by itself on the amp clamp, not that it matters to the fix overall
Just so the viewers know to have everything shut off even the interior light and to wait for the fade out interior lights and doors closed before recording when your draw testing.
keep up the videos Bro very informative
Very well thought out diagnostic approach , this could have been a very time consuming job . Glad to see you stuck in there and pulled through . Would you say whit out a wiring diagram it would be possible to find a can communication issue .
Kid you're awesome don't ever change.
My 02 mini S is flawless. No problems. But then again I don't wait & let any seemingly problem or noise linger. It's all about the upkeep of any car.
Yes we see a ground trace over a fuse at rest, mostly always nowadays ,but good case study, well done ,,,
I have this exact same issue with my r53. So I'm gonna try this when the sun comes up. I've tried everything, glad I found your video!
Good luck, Rodney!
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics actually just got finished looking at what you did to fix the issue and my car is as it should be. No broken wires or anything. Checked the BCM also, which is good. The only way mine is different from your issue is the airbag light comes on in my cluster. That's the only light that comes on.
@@dump3deg6 so what u found man , cause I got same problem and no power on climate control at all
@@pakliv3243 the cluster was the culprit the entire time. I kinda felt stupid. I had found one on Craigslist and went and pulled it out of a wrecked base R53, drove home and plugged it up and sure as shit everything was back to normal. The gauge cluster controls ALOT of stuff so I can put money on that's what's wrong with yours
@@pakliv3243 there is alot of false rumors online that if you unplug the cluster you have to get the car reprogrammed and all these lies. Just unplug it, and plug the new one in. Good as new
I hate it when people fix things just enough to sell it. Why not spend a little extra on the connectors and fix the root problem. I like the diagnostic. Good video
Eh! Ivan very good wow thanks for this diagnostics thumbs up
Sal
I just love this video!!! It's just great!!!
Very informative, good video as usual, how do you like the amp clamp you were using?
wow, I should have seen this some time ago. Had same case+ main fuse box falling apart and much more for that green pandora box. Puzzling how they put that junction box so low on the floor. If not due to flooding melted snow could get in and short/oxidize the contacts.
nice work yam
Hey Ivan...you're getting lots of good comments on this video which was a very interesting case study. You did a good job in hunting down the culprit with all of the oxidation. Kinda feel sorry for the next guy that buys the car. Keep up the good work Ivan..
+stuzman52 Hi Terry, thanks for the comment! Yeah I sprayed the connector with WD-40 to displace some of the moisture, but the root problem I think was the clogged sunroof drains. It was an interesting one for sure, especially not being able to find diagrams of the power distribution or even the fuse box layout! Those pictograms on the fuse cover were funny. Turns out the power to the DLC connector came from a fuse marked with a "clock" picture...go figure.
I know what you mean by those pictograms for the fuses and it's just up to one's imagination to what they could mean. The first time I saw them in a VW, I said to myself, "am I suppose to know what the hell these pictures mean." I guess the engineers decided to do it this way so they wouldn't have to print all kind of different languages when they sold the cars all over the world. Again, nice work without any kind of documentation to go by.
DeoxIt D5 contact spray. It won't fix a broken wire, but I've saved connectors with it that looked even worse than those did. Dunno what's in it or how it does what it does, but it's earned a place in my rescue kit. :)
I'll say it again Ivan you are the Man
I wish you were closer to me In Florida I need a real diagnostic tech.
Get ready for more green crusty finds.
Car wash detailers are using steam to clean the inside if cars. And power washer.
Gonna be finding more cars like this.
Awesome find good job
Very good Diagnostic
Excellent video
another german shed! great vide and repair!
nice work
Great diagnosis. Strange that you weren’t able to find the wiring diagram on such a common car. Also strange that a connector up in the dash was corroded like that without the surrounding connectors also being corroded. You think it was a flood car or there is a water leak flowing down through to that connector? Hopefully the owner doesn’t just drop a car with so many issues in some unsuspecting buyers lap. Hopefully he lets perspective buyers know it has some unknown issues. Karma is a cruel mistress...
I totally agree! If you intentionally screw people, you'll get screwed or your loved ones will be...not a good indirect message in this video.
so true, well said Emma
I can tell you this problem stems from the sunroof leaking down through the frame of the car into the wiring. There are small hoses that come off of the drain tubes and flood the car. They use some fancy clip that fails. A 5 cent zip tie at the factory would have saved many owners massive headaches.
German car with water.... no way lol. Mercedes are expensive fish tanks. See it everyday. Good find and quick repair.
That's some nice diagnosis. 👍I guess the root cause is a leaking or disconnected sunroof drain on the driver's side, which caused the water to run down the A-pillar and straight into the fusebox. MINI = Many Irritating Nagging Issues
My whole plug was wiped out, on edge of catching fire, thanks for your video
Excellent diagnostic work. Just goes to show that if you have a solid electrical background you don't actually need a wiring diagram. They certainly make life easier but they aren't an absolute necessity to someone with skills. I think this video showcased your skills better than any prior video including the ones at SMA. Get your business name and contact info up in the intro. I would have loved to see the diagnostic on the Protege! Uninteresting my ass it's a Mazda! Wish you would have filmed that, let us be the judge of what's interesting. :P
+DJDevon3 I did film that but it was like 2 minutes lol...I'll put it up if you really want to see it :)
motoYam82 Yes please I enjoy watching people work on Mazda's. The Protege has a variant of the FS engine from the 626 and MX-6. It's a COP design but some have turbos and it's just really neat to see a factory turbo version of my engine.
Wiring diagrams you can find are German... have to figure out what colors are what :P Seen this problem so many times on Mini Coopers... Moonroof drains get plugged.. drains down inside.. and Green crusties all over.. BOTH sides.. : \ Ran into that same thing.. just a shot for the odo when you crank it.. drives you nuts.. You are a fricken genius
super job. could you do a video on the test equipment and tools that you take on a mobile repair call. also the reasoning behind the equipment. Would be interesting.
+gary smith Great idea, Gary. Will put that on the list!
Bravo!!!
Awesome video^
smart work
Great job the mini cooper wiring is not easy even with a diagram
Dude you rock..I though I was in for 1000 bucks new bc1...you are the man..if i was in the same town...beer on me..got a place for you if you want to go to KY derby
Cool! Always wanted to see the derby... My wife loves horses!
great fix Ivan, I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Not worth my time. When they show up I tell them I don't speak BMW but the shop three blocks away does. He only does BMW and MB. Thanks for sharing.
The first series of the BMW Mini is Mess. The best thing are the headlights that are mounted on the hood. If you closed the hood to hard, the lamps go bad. Second series was a lot better.
Get that tester that Scanner Danner has that checks relays and can start the car from the engine compartment. It bypasses circuits. I think OTC sells it.
I actually bought the UActivate kit from AESWave because I saw ScannerDanner using it! I used it exactly once and now it gathers dust on the shelf. Persnally it's easier to simply jump the relay terminals through a fuse and makes you think about which terminals to jump instead of trusting a fancy switch and some LEDs...
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics Jumping terminals can cause a jumper to slip and short a circuit. The tester has an adaptor that matches the relay. It seems to be very useful according to watching ScannerDanner! If a chain jumps, wherever the rotor points, designate that as #1. Then run that wire to #1 cyl. Then run the wires according to rotor rotation, firing order, and cyl. arrangement. Maybe it'll get you home. Get another set of wires so hopefully they reach. It'll be slow, but it may prevent a tow! If the chain has slack, get #1 On TDC on the compression stroke on 0 turning the engine in normal direction only. Lift the distributor and point the rotor at #1 cap terminal. Turn the distributor way back opposite normal direction. Lower the distributor and turn the distributor to normal setting. Put everything back and set the timing. If necessary get a oil pump primer shaft or old distributor for that engine with the gear removed to line up the oil pump and distributor shaft. This causes the crank to have to rotate less to fire #1. This translates into power! My auto-mechanic teacher told us about all this. He said to put a little transmission fluid in the oil to remove carbon on the valve covers and engine. It has detergent in it. OTC had a Breakout box for most cars with OBDII and one for Ford OBDI EEC-IV 60 pin. Thexton had one. It checked voltages and resistance from the ECM. It plugged into the ECM with an adaptor. I have one now kinda rusty and I don't need it. I never used it. (Ford EEC BOB). Ford itself had one.
Cool problem. Logic goes a long way in diagnostics. I always tell the younger techs I train at work and at school you need to figure out what is working correctly before you can get to the root cause of a problem. Nice job. Your name is Ivan right?
+busjockey1 Yup! That's great advice, especially on a multi-problem vehicle. There are so many possible directions to take, so it's important to focus on one and quite possibly that will lead to the cause of the other as well as it did in this case!
Making my way through your back catalogue.
A business question as I'm looking at going back into diag as a side gig. How did you charge this out?
First charge for diag. Second charge for repair.
But after you repaired the harness, you said everything on the dash wasn't part of the complaint. Do you quote on that?
I was a bmw tech and all of that (short of the service required) would have gone away with a fualt clear and reset tyre pressure system. Which is just a button on the center console. It would have been valued significantly lower at auction with the dash lit up like a Christmas tree.
did the sunroof drain get fixed yet? probably the cause in the first place, you think they would have fixed that problem by now 2010 "8 yrs newer than that 02" my mini had the same problem water in the footwell module.
For the Mini and BMW wiring diagrams try WDS online, it is free and has tons of useful info on about those cars. Just one moment, it can be used only through Internet explorer and be sure to have updated Java on your computer
+Denis Ivanovs Just tried this...seems that the info doesn't exist for this car...Otherwise that would be a great resource!
Awesome! How would one go about charging for a connector bypass? Like, 0.10 an hour per wire? Just curious
Just charge as long as it takes lol
Ahhh, the infamous green crusties strike again. Nice diag Ivan. You could not GIVE me one of those cars. Ship it to auction and cut his losses. This is why I like old American cars, simple electrical systems, not over engineered like today`s cars. Also Mini coopers are death traps if you get hit.
do u come out to Brooklyn? where's your shop?
Wished you were here In Houston. I'd pay you to do this to mine, im tired of screwing with it
BMW in their infinity wisdom did not bother to put clamps on the four sunroof drain tubes. I dropped the headliner and all four were not connected. Don't expect any help from BMW. When I purchased the car in 2002 (out of state) it would not pass PA state emissions. BMW customer service said there is no problem and try another dealer. I got a 1 time waiver from PA so I could drive the car. Two months later I got a recall notice for reflashing the ECU so it will pass inspection. Just my rant. Fun if they run. Most any dealer repair cost more than the car is worth.
I’ve dealt with 5 dealerships and they rarely know anything about these cars. I had a pulley tensioner break and they tried to tell me the harmonic balancer I had replaced a few months prior failed, probably because it’s a flawed design and is bound to happen. When I told them I’d replaced the hb they said I probably did it wrong. It’s difficult to dig down to that part but it’s one bolt. Had it towed and didn’t ever go back. Right now I’m dealing with the issue in the video. Wish I’d known about the drains not working. This might be the last straw for this car. Fun as it’s been.
good job
I recognise the blue/green stuff in the connectors :) i have it a relay socket and in my drivers door module on some pins.
water is the enemy there.
Thanks Ivan first time mini cooper for me to see. Corrosion killed the baby mini.
Hey man, you get down to Mississippi very often? I have a 2005 Mini Cooper Convertible...same exact problem...same exact fuse (number 5) I think. All other fuses work. Checked them today. Both Tach and speedo are not working. No dash lights either. I am not competent enough in my abilities to venture into pulling that panel off and looking behind the fuse box though. guess I will have to hire a mechanic. "Wish You Were Here"...lol! Great video though! Helped me a lot!
+robert cothran Checked all fuses with a similar continuity checker
+robert cothran Hah at least that saves a lot of diag time! That panel comes off pretty easy...if I remember just unbolt the rear seatbelt anchor and it pops off.
+motoYam82 I just might try it myself then!
That corrosion looks like a plug I'd expect to see in a salt water boat. Does fresh water cause that same green corrosion. I see that car has jersey plates. Any chance it had salt water in that car??? Thanks, Chris
+shadowdog500 Sharp eye! That thought crossed my mind too...a flood auction car? The owner said it had a clean title, and the fuse box itself seemed to be in nice clean shape. My theory is that the salt water from the carpet by the driver's feet got wicked straight to that connector. I don't think fresh water would cause that much corrosion on copper wire. Just a poor location, and the loom was wrapped in that fabric stuff which just holds in the moisture too!
Thanks!
The fuse prob turned from grounded to powered on crank because it is linked to a dule relay, eg file pump safety or altenator flow circuit.
Why not a complete fix with proper parts? Good job of fault tracing.Can I inquire where you purchased your test light as it looks the real deal?
+Tom OConnor Posted some links in the description for the diag equipment used here. "Proper Parts" would mean a whole new BMW wiring harness and a lot more labor...probably costing more than what the owner paid for the vehicle!!
hi so i have a similar problem but no corrosion on the plug...i got no power to fuse number 5 and when i unhook the plug and disconnect the battery and connect it again i get everything working for 2 seconds and then stop again once i put the plug again any suggestions ? thanks
Jeez Ivan, how could a car get so much corrosion in the passenger compartment??, unless like you said the sun roof leaks..
why is there a voltage drop if there is no current flow..on pin 16?
Ivan it is the first time I see you want to finish a car without the challenging attitude you have saying:" I hope not to see you again"❗😄
Great video thank you. Does this mini sound normal at idle?
+mhn3773 It sounded kinda funky to me too...didn't have time to explore that direction though.
after pulling battery connection the computer has to relearn the engine. It takes like 100Mi to retune itself....
My 2002 mini cooper is having the same issue dead instrument panel, climate controls, and digial overhead clock not working the radio and lights work and everthing else tho theres no water damage anywere i tried to change the entire fuse box but it completly killed my brand new battery beyond no return immediatly so i out the old one back in
Need to see what power feed or ground you are missing...
Good find... knowing the history can be helpful, wish more customers would provide more background info. Sadly, even when they do... the boss relays the info wrong on the work order (not all the time though).
+Thomas EXOVCDS I worked for an indy shop for a couple years before this and that was one thing that drove me nuts...the techs weren't even allowed to talk to the customers!! Don't have that problem anymore :)
+motoYam82 But the pressure is all on you now (to get that info). I can still blame the boss. :-)
I just bought 2005 last night and today am facing this pb and it coast to much to replace so how to stop the noisy at least for now i just remove the bettery
This minis dash looks way different than mine. My speedometer is in the center and rpm gauge is above the wheel like this one.
The moment when you gotta fix it just so you can write down the mileage of the repair.
Head light fuses are the same way. No power at fuse till you turn on the head light switch and gm crank fuses also.
+Richard Gill Good point Richard. That would have been clear if the manufacturer provided a power distribution diagram...still haven't found one for this car!
+motoYam82 Ivan check out identifix direct hit. They will give you a 2 month free subscription trial.Also there sister companies with Iatn. You will love there data base. Oem color wiring diagrams plus there version of Snap On troubleshooter.
0.3 Amp.draw with the door open quite normal. I hate sunroofs. The Engine is from Peugeot. Remove the connector and souder all leads.
I have this issue with my car now, had a leak through a seal on my windscreen which over flowed under the scuttle panel and down the back of my day next to my wiring loom, in the last couple of days my engine starts and all the warning lights come in my dash my I have no back light on my Speedo and my rev meter doesn’t work at all so I’ll see if some waters leaked in and if that fixes the issue
What was the solution. Mine has the same problem
@@bjorndegruyter2121 i had water leaking down my A pillar panels next to my windscreen on the outside, the waterproof bungs got removed and didn’t get replaced, because of this it blew up my control module and had to find a replacement one on eBay and get it hard wired in
@@Mrhoulden okee thanks for sharing your info :-) !
Did you mention going to the auction, That car will give Eric O or ScannerDanner a project when it rolls into their shop
lmafo ....... it runs so no wori :)
+m ph They will see my wiring job and say "guys, someone has been here before" hahaha
+motoYam82 Or maybe something like, "This isn't this cars first rodeo", or "Virgin, Not here"
i used to work on the old british leyland mini, i can tell you, that aint a mini, and its 0 percent british XD
a friend in the trade called me to diagnose one with half the dash lights out, turned out they all worked but someone took the cluster apart and stuffed masking tape down the light tubes so they didnt shine through to the dash lmao
Don't see that every day lmao
Lol but don’t the lights have to come on and go off for an mot. Guess it was a bodgit and scarper job. Also wasn’t the r50 originally designed by rover in 1997 hence the “r” granted not a lot remains after bmw but I’d give it 1/4 British :)
@@johnbee1574 A lot of the development work for the R50 was done by the Rover Group in the UK, and of course it was built in the UK as well so I think it's at least somewhat British, though being a "proper" mini fanatic I wasn't too keen on it at the time. The designer of the R50 was actually an American.
Hope someone can help me. I have fixed all the wires. But my Speedo and cluster always stay on like in key position one. If I disconnect the left red yellow cable all is off but key position one dose not work. Any ideas? Greetings from Germany.
Nice- never seen a fuse box with so many 5 amp fuses.
the leaking sunroofs strikes again... good fix..
my cousin builds these in the UK
Good hands on diagnosis, but without a wiring diagram you are shooting in the dark quite a bit.
can of worms! water wreaked havock if that's what did I suppose all those lights could be unrelated thanks for showing us
I like how the engine sounds like a Diesel
It had the green wire disease
You keep getting the battery current draw incorrect - there is no IN or OUT terminal on a battery, both terminals will show the same current with no respect to polarity. The polarity in current on a DC clamp, is dependent on the orientation of the meter that is clamped. One way will show negative amps, flip it around, and it will show positive amps!
Jeez! That's an awful lot of corrosion for a connector inside of the car.
Man u r good
At 9:00, probably indoor lights, "read map lights"