BYD Seal EV charging options explained - Don’t pick the wrong one
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- My first impression charging at an EV charging station and how fast is a 50kW DC charging station. Topics covered in this video includes:
- AC single phase and three phase vs DC charging (9:51)
- Type 2 connector and CCS connector explained
- Unit of measure kilowatt (kW) and kilowatt hour (kWh) explained
- Home charging single phase vs three phase AC
- Elanga EV Charging network & Elanga App
- 50 kW DC fast charging using CCS connector
- DC Fast charging progress every 10 minutes (3:17)
- Mode 2,3 and 4 EV charging compared
- EV Charging lifestyle changes vs Petrol car
- EV Charging cable wall organiser (9:26)
- BYD Seal AC Charging limited to 7kW
- PlugShare App and Elanga App (11:21)
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It is worth saying that BYD Seal can charge 3phase 11kw in Europe.
Very good to know. Thanks for sharing, I wonder why BYD's standards are different in different countries, it's not like we can't get AC charging in Australia.
@@SkyPerspective I think your delivery was similar to Thailand and that they mostly do not have 3phase. In Europe it is hard to sell without 3phase.
Yes, my Dolphin can charge at 11kw as well from a 3 phase
@@benceparoczi9481 thanks for sharing
Re the charging rates slowing down as you get above 80%, I saw a video explaining this. They said it was similar to if you were filling a fuel tank with a massive hose, but were absolutely not allowed to go over 100%. Once you hit 80% you'd want to slow the flow down to make sure you were able to judge it properly. And as you get incrementally closer to 100%, the flow gets slower and slower. The conclusion was that for
time-efficiency purposes, just 'fill' your battery to 80%/
I have a BYD Atto 3, which can also only charge at a max 7kw AC but I have 3 -phase at my home and invested in a 3-phase 22kw charger. Now because the BYD can only charge at 7kw, the charger is only providing 7kw on it's single phase output because that is the max the car can take. It might seem a waste of money to buy a 3-phase charger but the cost of a 3-phase charger is not much more than a 7kw charger plus I have the added advantage of future proofing my charger because my next car will more than likely be able to charge at 11kw plus if I have a visiter with a Tesla, for example, they can use my charger and it will charge at an an higher rate because Tesla's can charge at at least 11kw AC. The biggest cost for home chargers is with the actual installation but if you are like me and intend to stick with EV's then it is a worthwhile investment and it is also an added feature to the home, if and when I sell my home.
This is such a good point. Installing a powerful home charger to bring up the value of the house! Brilliant! Yes you are right. BYD's limit to 7kW AC is only BYD. Other brands, if we are getting other brands of EV, might be able to leverage 3 phase AC. Is it a lot more expansive between the single or three phase installation? Do you need to get special electicity supply from the grid? Please share your approximate installation price difference. Thanks.
This car would be perfect for me if home charging was better. I'm really surprised it can't even handle 11kW AC, which is "minimum" for most other brands. Great information! Thanks for the reviews.
I survived with just 1.5kw home charging for the last 3 months without any issue. In fact home charging is the best because I don't need to wait at shopping centers, and it's much cheaper. No inconvenience to my lifestyle charging 3 nights per week. I will be making a video on my charging pattern soon.
I've read in the manual of a home charging station brand that there is a nuance to 3-phase charging depending on the brand and model of your car as well as the kind of 3-phase charging you can provide. Let me explain.
I'm going to choose an example for Europe but this might also apply for other parts of the world.
There are 2 ways your house can have 3-phase electricity called 3P and 3P+N.
3P: essentially is a 3-wire system without a neutral wire. If you measure the voltage between 2 phases, you get 230V (again: in Europe). If you measure between 1 phase and the ground wire, you get 127 V.
3P+N: this is a 4-wire system with 3 phases and 1 neutral wire. Measuring voltage between a phase and the neutral wire gives you 230V and between 2 phases gives you 400V
What do EVs do when you plug in the home charging cable which has standard the 3 phases + the neutral + the ground wire (which will always be at 0 V)?
This is the part which differs greatly between car brands and even models. As a security precaution, some cars will measure the voltage between the neutral wire and the ground wire. This should be 0 V. If this difference is not 0 V, they simply don't charge.
The people who make home chargers know this and have taking this into account but it differs depending if you have a 3P or 3P+N setup.
3P+N: each phase and the neutral are attached to the charger providing this to the car together with the ground wire. This setup is the most straightforward and should yield 0V between neutral and ground after which any car should start charging at the full 11kW 3 phase.
3P: this is the tricky one. Because of the car security precaution mention above, when you have the 3P setup, the home charging station will connect 1 of the phases also to the neutral pin of the car. The car will do it's measurement, see 127 V between ground and (what it thinks is) the neutral wire and will switch to a setup where it will either charge on 2 phases-only or even 1 phase-only (depending again on the car brand and model).
So all people here who said they have a 3 phase system yet only see charging on 1 or 2 phases, have a look at your wiring closet at where the mains comes int your house: do you see 3 wires coming in (3P) or 4 (3P+N)?
There is a workaround if you're stuck with a 3P installation: transformers exist to convert 3P (230V) to 3P+N (400V) called a "Delta-Star transformer" or "Delta-wye transformer" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-wye_transformer). If you install one of those before your home charger, you'll essentially end up in the 3P+N model where the car can use presumably 3 phases . One caveat to this: these transformers become expensive really quick when you're talking high power such as 11 kW or 22 kW.
thanks for showing this. i'll wait for 350kw ultra charging to be available where I live before I even consider to buy any EV.
Great video. Very informative. I will be watching your follow up reports on usage and charging closely as I ponder wether to go EV for my next car.
Thanks for your support. You have given me an idea, maybe I should make a video about my experience switching over from petrol to electric car.
maximum rate of AC charging is basically depends on the onboard charger installed in the car (it basically converts AC to DC), so before deciding on which level 2 charger to buy, gotta see the spec sheet of the onboard charger first
I think if you change it daily with slow charger you can easily survive. Make it like a habit if you home put it to charge.
Yes I think so too. Initially I wanted to also not drive or travel unnecessarily, but no a car is meant to be driven whenever I feel like going somewhere, just like my petrol Civic. I will charge every time it's used down to 30% and see how it goes. 👍
Is it bad for the battery at all if you just plug in the slow granny charger everytime you arrive home?
Indeed, after a year and a half of EV ownership, I have never had to use a public charger, and this includes country driving. And only charging once or twice a week.
No I dont think so. It's more gentle on the battery because it's slower and doesn't generate so much heat. The battery management nowadays are pretty good.
I am curious about your 3 phase comments. You mention you tried to charge with 3 phase yet the connector you show does not have contacts for L2 & L3, hence is only single phase. Have you actually got a 3 phase charger that you tried?
In Europe they are gradually implementing a "peak capacity charge" in the electricity bill. This means that at home, you don't (or won't) just pay for the final amount of charge but also for the peak rate at which you use electricity as a whole. This because they want to avoid people starting up all their most grid charging appliances at once. Thus, they try to avoid a major surge in the grid. So, best to avoid charging your EV simultaneously with running the dishwasher, dryer, washing machine and induction plates...even at night.
The drop off nearing full capacity seems to be normal, based on watching BYD videos, the same drop off also occurs during discharge, not linear.
It makes sense because the byd seal battery management system needs to locate the batteries that haven't been charged to full. This means the fuller the battery the harder to find the batteries that are still not charged.
Hi. Love your videos. Can you do a video of a DC fast charger capable of using the max 110 speeds. Want to know how long it takes. Thank you
For 35% to 100%, my guess is 30 to 40 mins if we do the math correctly. If over my next two months trial of my slow home charger failed and I need to do a DC fast charge top up, I will remember to go to a 120kW station to test it out for you and reply on this comment thread.
Appreciating these videos. thanks
It's totally free for BYD buyers installing a 7kW AC charger in China. BYD don't send free home charger in Austria?
Unfortunately no
I had a 32 amp 5 pin socket installed and I bought a wall box, I charge at around 7kwh that equates to 10% per hour charge, total cost $1000, I charge from solar only, granny wouldn’t be useful for that.
That's very good to know. So far I am surviving with my granny. My digital electric meter shows me it's quite efficient and not much loss. Wait till I save up my $1000 maybe I will install it. What's the brand of your wall charger?
A DC-Charger with 50 kW is not really fast. It's okay during shopping, but not when traveling.
Yes I know, I was relatively comparing it to mode 3 and mode 2.
I’m not getting 150kw charging anywhere. Tried different brand chargers and superchargers. Best I can get is 105kw on Tesla superchargers. I have the dual motor aswell. Really annoying that it doesn’t charge at the claimed 150. I suspect byd limit it for battery longevity?
This is interesting. My dynamic base model advertise for up to 110kW but so far from all my test, I only manage to get 50kW max. I guess a lot of other factors affects the charging power like another car sharing the charging station and hot weather conditions. I wonder if others who has the same performance model like yours has ever charged at 150kW charging power before. Hopefully someone reading this comment can share their insight.
when ever go to charge station.. just charge up to 80% and then the rest charge at home AC. no point of wasting more time and money on charging from 80% onward.
Great tip 👍👍
Great video, by the way, will using 3 phase charger cause any damage to the battery ?
Really appreciate your video
Glad it was helpful!
Fast charging is way more expensive than at home
There are cheaper fast charger like $0.40 to $0.50. The one I'm using in this video elanga is quite expensive at $0.65. Yes Changing at home is cheaper.
The video is not wrong but for future proofing I think installing 3 phase is worth ut
I am not an expert in electricity topics, and I wonder if single phase DC will get more popular or 3 phase AC. If I am not wrong the trend and manufacturers are moving towards single phase DC. However, you are right, install 3 phase at home is definitely future proofing because it will work for both types of vehicles.
Nice explanation
Thanks for taking the time to comment letting me know.
Is there government oversight on the cost of charging stations? I get that it's cheaper than petrol...but I feel that it will be more and more expensive over time due to the increase in demand.
Yes government is definitely aware of the recent up take of EV because they initiated the incentives. Supply (charging station) is increasing too so hopefully supply is more than demand so prices will come down. Solar might be the best solution for EV charging. We just need a 3kW home solar system to charge our EV for free if we get enough sun.
I received my BYD Seal 10 days ago but I'm having problems when I try to charge on fast chargers. Charging starts, then after 2 minutes the message "charging complete" appears and charging stops even though the car is absolutely not fully charged. Has anyone encountered this problem?
Did you set the car reservation charging to start and stop at a certain time? You might have just hit the time to stop charging.
let say if you park the seal on side of the road on heavy raining night and street are all flooded, can we still drive the car ?
There is a different between heavy rain (water splashing down on the car), driving through flood waters (water splashing up the bottom of the car) and the car sitting in flooded water (water seeping into the car compartments). With the third one sitting in flood waters, the water seal (no pun intended) of the battery and electrical parts can only hold the water out for a period of time. After that, water gets into the electrical parts and anything could happen. Water and electricity don't mix and short circuiting a 61kWh battery most likely will cause a thermal runaway. So short answer to your question is: No, I would not drive the car if the flood water height has reached or is higher than the battery compartment.
So can we install fast charging in home?
Yes, most people do except people like me. Which country are you from? If Australia, check out www.evse.com.au
Buh the Wall connecter it is 3 times faster (11kw) you Can charge ind ind night not 3 :-)
I don't quite understand. Your charger took 3 nights to charge your car from 30% to 100% but. What option should I get for a faster charge at home since you say the 22kw charger only charges at 7kw?
Tjamks for the very informative video.
If you are only having and driving BYD Seal, then installing a 7kW single phase charger at home should be good enough. If you plan to buy a Tesla or some other EV that can charge faster using three phase, then you can consider future proofing your charger installation at home and install a 22kW three phase charger. 22kW can still charge BYD seal at around 7kW or 11kW. Hope this make sense.
@@SkyPerspective makes sense. I love the Seal but it's a bit too low to the ground so am waiting for the Seal U although I'm disappointed it's nowhere near as stylish.
The Seal U still looks pretty nice in my opinion.
@@SkyPerspective it does look good. And it's more practical for my needs. It's just not available yet and the Seal is dn sexy! I love sexy.
@@SkyPerspective I think 7kW is good enough for Tesla too. 15kW per 100km. 6 hours charging at night can cover a 280km trip.
Is this your only car, I am just asking as I don't think that I could wait 3 days to fully charge the car.
So based on my last round, I charged 30% used 10% charge another 30% used another 10% and charge another 20% before it reaches 100% on the third night. Yes, it's the "can't get one full charge overnight" that I need to get used to. Yes, I myself only uses this one car.
@@Sensei_Sifu Who are you referring to when you say they need to provide 7kW for about $199? BYD? Yes the current cost of A$1000+ is way too expensive, however, there was a comment above or below saying a house having a powerful EV charger can increase the value of the house, which is a good point.
@Sensei_Sifu If there is a brand selling good quality 7kW home charger at $199 I would be the first one to buy and install it, and perhaps rent it out for charging. I'm sure I'll recoup the cost in no time 😊
Can you safely use an extension chord with the slow 1.5 kW charger jim
Not advisable according to the instructions. Better to ask an electrician. We need to make sure extension cord can support the current, and there are other things like the extension cord cannot be coiled, and so on that needs to be considered. That's why it's not advisable.
Um. KW is rate of power, KWh is literally 1 hour of 1 KW.
Very nice and simple way of explaining. Thanks.
I’m interested in power leakage at home, if you are at 100% and disconnect the charger, then how much charge do you loose each 24hr?
I don't understand your question, do you mean how much power will the BYD Seal battery loses each day if the car is not driven?
Do you always charge to 100%? Also, what is the recommended base percentage charge for the Blade battery. I see articles that say don't go below 20% while another says 15% while others say 10% is perfectly okay.
I kept it full to 100% whenever possible. The lowest I would go is 25%, not for the health of the blade battery, but more for my range anxiety. Blade battery is pretty good in terms of degradation. We just need to make sure to once in a while use the mode 2 wall charger to let it charge up to 100% slowly
@@SkyPerspective Thanks for your reply. Appreciate it.
if using single phase 7kw at home, how long have to charge from 30% to 100% ?
I am not sure because I have never charged at 7kw. My guess would be around 8 to 12 hours. Hopefully someone can confirm.
Does the car agree with the Elanga charger on how much energy was transferred? (For example if Elanga said it has sold you 50 KWh and billed you for 50 KWh, did the car agree that it has received 50 KWh?
Hey @woofinu! I think the station basically says it can go up to 50kW, and its the car saying how many watt it is accepting. If you see the last 10 to 20 mins on the elanga app, the amount (kWh) I get is much lesser compared to the first 10 to 20 mins. Like wise the amount I pay is also much lesser in the last 10 to 20 mins. 50kW is the capability of the station not the amount of charge.
So someone with a super slow charging EV plugged in to this 50kW DC station for one hour may only charge at 10kW, and they pay much lesser because the charging power they consume is much lesser over the hour. So difficult to explain. 🙂 Hope it make sense.
@@SkyPerspective I think we have to differentiate between the speed of charging and the amount of charge. It's like when you buy petrol for an ICE car. Petrol pumps may pump fast or slow, but what you care about (and pay for) is the amount of petrol you get. In this case, I was curious if your car agreed with Elanga on the amount of charge it received.
I am not surprised that the charging speed dropped as you got near full. The same thing happens when you charge your phone or when you pump petrol into an ICE car. Things don't run full speed until full, then stop abruptly. They slow down to avoid overshooting.
Oh I see what you mean. My byd seal doesn't tell me how many kWh it has received. Elanga app says it has supplied 45kWh, the car battery size is 61.44kWh, and charging from 38% to 100% means it receives 62% of charge. 62% of a 61.44 kWh battery is 38kWh, so it doesn't reconcile with Elanga app? Can I say that?
@@SkyPerspective Another way to calculate is: If 62% = 45 KWh (as indicated by Elanga), then 100% = 73 KWh.
Maybe when BYD says that the battery capacity is 61.4 KWh, they mean minimum of 61.4, not necessarily actual capacity. Often when we buy products, they spec the minimum, not actual or average. I would measure a few more times at other charging stations to be sure. But I am surprised that the car didn't measure or say exactly how much charge it received.
@@woofinu you are most likely right. Over these few days charge I have been comparing my electricity consumption at home the amount of charge delivered into the car. My meter is shared for both charging the car and my house usage like air con so it's not precise. It's either 73kWh like you said or the portable charger impedance is fairly high.
Much too slow charging
I just got a new fast charger. Will be making a video soon.
@@SkyPerspective the car has too slow dc charging in comparison with others 10-80% in 40 Minuten is not for long Trips
@martinmuller6760 oh you meant dc fast charging is too slow. Yes we cannot compare to petrol cars on long trips where it takes 5 mins to fill up.
@@SkyPerspective No i mean other car Manufacturer vw stellantis mercedes bmw 10-80% 30min Hyundai Kia Porsche 10-80 18min. 40 Minutes at byd is too long
@@martinmuller6760 oh I see. Yes I think the charging power plays a difference here. Mine is the base model of the Seal and can only charge up to 110kW. The higher end model can charge at 150kW which will be faster. I am not sure how much faster.
Did i explain any electricity theory / concepts wrongly? If there are any experts reading this, please feel free to correct me here. Thanks.
Energy is measured in kWh, which is equivalent to 3.6 megajoules (MJ) or 860 kilocalories. Power is the rate energy is delivered (or consumed), power = energy / time = current x voltage.
Power is measured in kilowatts, energy in kilowatt hours (kWh). Power is the instantaneous rate of energy transfer. Also an AC connector has earth, neutral, and an active connection per phase (not positive). Positive and negative are connections for DC.
@@TonyStrasser I understand now. Yes I should not have used the word "positive" in an AC connection it's just live AC connection. Thanks for the correction.
@@lokchisiu Thanks for sharing the technical details.
I, like other people, installed 3-phase AC charging at home (I had 3-phase power) because the line load is reduced to +/- 2.5 KW per phase. My supplier could not reliably provide 7Kw on a single line during heatwaves etc. My 3-phase "Feyree" car charger bought from Lasada costs about $250. It has proved to be almost indestructible having been subject to excessive low voltage on one phase and a lightning strike during charging that burnt out the breaker, never missing a beat.
I do about 200km per week, so I just leave it plugged in during the sunlight hours of the weekend, at home. free 'fuel' with the house solar⚡😅
Thank you that was very informative. Is the portable charger safe to use if the house wiring isn't great? For example, I can sometimes lose power to my home during heavy rain or if too many appliances are turned on at the same time.
Doesn't sound good enough to me. Best to get a qualified electrician to test out your house circuit and give you a report. What I know is Tesla portable charger charges at higher wattage like 2.0 - 2.3kW while my BYD portable charger charges at 1.5kW. I suspect BYD is playing it safe to put lesser load on the house electrical circuit and the AC-DC converter charger in the car. Nonetheless, 1.5kW is still a lot of power going through the house cabling for so many hours, so best to have it checked by an electrician.
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