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I am permanently banned from tweeting on X! When I wrote, "What tweet was in violation of what rule?", I received no response. -- The best I can figure is I had written criticisms of Rachel Maddow and Michael Dell. Some with 4 million views. Maybe their social media connected people colluded with Elon Musk social media people? -- Elon Musk "absolute free expression" is a lie. FIX IT, ELON MUSK.
Now let's hear about X-formerly-known-as-Twitter. Then, maybe pay tribute to Musk's politics ("My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci" -EM). Or, are you trolling us for clicks?
There are many types of idiot indexes. The leader that would employ bullying and berating would get a higher idiot rating than a leader who could achieve the same with kinder manners.
Isaacson mentioned several of his workers left after being burned out. One of them returned, and Isaacson asked him why he returned he said "I had the choice of being burned out, or being bored, I chose to be burned out" damn, where does Elon find those people?
Having a job that actually gives you a feeling off accomplishment and purpose does that to people, regardless of the pay. Elon's companies have been pushing the boundaries of their industries and have become a magnet for highly motivated problem solvers.
@@sebastianchmielewski6281yes, I agree however , the principle is vastly expandable. Example.. medical anything, even chairs have an enormous markup that is simply greed. I can buy office furniture cheaper, but I can’t do the same thing with autoclaves and syringes.
I'm reminded that a pound of iron is extremely cheap, but when fashioned into sewing needles, that same pound of iron increases in value hundreds of times.
This is how it should/must be. Working at Tesla or SpaceX is serious work. It's not like it's Starbucks or McDonald's. Everyone has to be a high performer.
This isn't just an Elon thing. This is a hard lesson about the corporate world. When you have a crucial deliverable, bosses don't care about what's going on in your private life. It's not fun, but it is the truth!!!
@@ToadyMcgee when you negotiate a salary this is exactly what you are negotiating. "how much do you have to pay me for me to not care about the fact that you dont give a sheit about me as a person?"
Some parts have low material cost but need to be produced on expensive machinery, others using ip. So often the cost of materials is irrelevant. What's relevant is whether the part is good value or not.
@@sean-colinfort2111 its dumb. For example, the raw material cost of a quality watch is about $1. Would you spend a million $ setting up a fa tory to make one and hire those with knowhow to operate the factory and then do all the testing just to make a one piece or would you just pay the $500 and save yourself a million bucks.
@@sean-colinfort2111 Idiot index is idiotic. Your first port of call is to check what are the most expensive parts, functions, procedures etc in your operation. Then you see if you can do without them. Next you see if you can BUY them parts cheaper. In a market economy there is a reason for the price of any goods and services and that market price is usually a good indication of the true cost of if. The cost of setting up production and the capital investment needed usually means that usually means that no single consumer of goods can cost effectively produce those goods. Like car manufactures do not manufacture steel, even Apple does not actually manufacture the M-chips, they have them made. And on a higher business level making anything at lower cost usually means driving the price of what you are selling down as the competition follows. So you end up doing more and getting less per unit which makes it harder to make a buck. High price low volume is much easier that high volume low price. Especially if the demand is limited ... and this begs the question for the demand of payloads that Super Heavy can carry.... the word idiotic springs to mind.
If a pump is made out of titanium and costs thousands of dollars to machine, why not make it out of cheaper steel? A titanium pump is good value, but a steel one would be better value
@@snakevenom4954 Wood would be cheaper, pitty all those stupid engineers at the other aerospace companies did not realise this and it took the genius of Musk to realise that.
This was not unknown, it was widely communicated within the company. Managers should know common terms used in the business especially if they are part of the company's unique approach to business.
Yeah! That was a pretty dick move to do to someone in a meeting. Why not just share with everyone the idea of the metric; and then, ask them to think about it. I suppose there are different management / leadership styles. And sometimes, you need to use negative feedback to motivate people. The AMA defines a manager as someone who accomplishes work through others. In order to do so, you need to understand what motivates people and you should also have some understanding of the factors influencing the lives of your immediate / direct reports.
Elon wasn't mean to a random intern. The guy who he yelled at was the financial analyst in charge. If he doesn't know the cost structure then no one does and the entire thing is fucked. For a company hemorrhaging money this is very bad. The jobs of everyone at SpaceX were on the line.
Whenever I encountered processes or procedures that were broken, I didn't listen to those who said, "Oh, that's always been broken," "we've been trying to fix that for years," or "there's no way you can fix that - not enough time!" I simply fixed it. Sometimes it took me weeks. On occasion, it would take me months. "Do, or do not. There is no try." - Yoda
The idiot index is what the name says. One Snapdragon SoC can cost $100, but the raw parts, ten microgram of silicon, one gram of epoxy resin may be cost five cents. That has a very high idiot index, and there is no way to reduce it...
I am mentally appending an " 's" to make it an "Idiot's Index" and filing it with the same management-babble as OODA loop, i.e, things that sound plausible if you don't know anything about a particular subject and therefore are highly appealing to higher management.
I dont think you get the point, and ill use your example. That chip gets cheaper every year as manufacturing processes improve. The silicone didnt get any cheaper in the last 30 years but the performance per gram of silicone has exponentially increased without a corresponding price increase. The idiot index on cpus is closing
The cost of machining is the only thing that adds value to raw materials. It would be something like human labor * technique + raw materials * automation squared. Obviously something like AI could be used to up the weight of "technique", but that'll add a bit to labor cost because you need more specialized labor. This "Idiot Index" is basically the exact same process every corporation is using for cost savings, and something close to Capitalism's push to make everything, including labor itself some kind of market externality they can push the cost of off on someone else's shoulders, so they can steal that value as profit as well. Literally nothing new here to see, aside from tricking people to do rocket science for minimum wage.
I wonder what the idiot index is on a CPU? The value of a CPU can't be judged by its raw materials. And what about steel? What's the cost of coal? How about you create your own steel plant? Expertise needed to combine the raw materials has to be considered. And can you obtain those raw materials at the same price as a company that buys large amounts of this raw materials at a discount? Is buying the equipment to process the raw materials cost effective when you're not in that business.
It looks that Elon learned that primitive capitalist lesson very well. Still his water tanks rockets will never take people to Mars in this shape. He needs more innovation than material so that ratio will exceed a lot more the idiot index .
@@Sal3600 I know it's called vertical integration. I'm just pointing that just looking at raw materials is rather pointless in all but the most basic parts.
What is the cost for abdicating responsibility to fundamental human rights - including Free Speech? Where you been over the last 6 years, bro?? While you are entitled to your thought and comment(s) - it stinks. You sh!t the bed, bro.
They get paid to perform... and communicate. If he is having a problem with the death of his child, he should say something, not act like his boss is fucking telepathic.
When you lose somebody, your brain will go into protective mode, AKA a (clinical) depression. Often times, a depression does not cause the patient to be sad or "depressed", instead, certain cognitive or executive processes will be slowed down or will stop altogether for some time. The inability to communicate is a typical symptom of a depression. ... so, yes, a good boss SHOULD be telepathic in that sense that he should pick up non-verbal signs that a person is not functioning properly. I was in the leadership team of big corporations and we all got trained by psychologists to spot such cases so we would not do additional damage. . And by the way, EMPATHY is a fucking function of intelligence. You might want to think a bit about that before commenting on a subject you clearly have NO clue about.
I feel you brother. You're not human being with emotions; personal life; persona, after all. You're just a tool. Or worse - a cog in the machine. And how they feel is not important, right? And definitely how people feel and their psychological state is not going to affect their motivation and performance, doesn't it?
That sucks. Reducing people to what they can produce is what has lead to such a heartless philosophy in work culture. When we forget that we undertake these endeavors to make life better and focus only on productivity, we defeat our own purpose. It's not a burden to care, it's what we are here for no matter how advanced our technology becomes.
What you guys fail to understand is that every single person is going through some sort of traumatic event or will soon. Your brother died, your boss's father is dying of cancer and his wife just left him. His boss's son just got diagnosed with a terminal illness and he's on the verge of bankruptcy. Life is tragedy, but it's the case for all of us.
The us government needs to use the idiot index with pharmaceutical, medical treatments, military purchases and all contracts with companies, even with Space X and Tesla. Think of how much $$$ taxpayers would save.
@@ibtehaj-khan How are international problems irrelevant? 9/11 was very much international problem and what about immigrants flocking America, or oil imports and exports ... contrary to what some people think Texas is not the whole world and the global problems have consequences in Iowa too.
Don't get confused between the "idiot index" and "being an idiot". One is an analytical took - the other is a painful reality and fact when it comes to DC.
@@Axel_Andersenmaybe if you leave other countries alone, they won't try to destroy you anyway they can. If you start wars in other countries, they'll bring back the wars to you.
When the government spends $1000 on a lightbulb, they aren't spending $1000 on a lightbulb. They are spending $2 on a lightbulb, then spending $998 on a dark project that they don't want you to know about. Then they cook the books and said they spent $1000 on a lightbulb.
I was impressed by Musk's comment about "people having a strong feedback loop". If you have never taken control theory in college, you may not grasp the power of feedback loops to control the world. Almost all control equipment in the whole world uses some form of closed loop feedback. In that class, and a few years later in my first job, I realized that feedback was the key to people being able to improve things. No one can get things right the first time, except by accident, and no one executes perfectly every day. The key to making improvements is repeated refinement of process to achieve a particular goal based on new information becoming available. Interesting, I could not convince my managers of this fact. Managers typically run in an open-loop. That is, they issue orders and expect other people to make them happen. Having said all this, it can be exhausting to be part of that feedback loop. The agile s/w methodology basically is a codification of a closed feedback loop. A fellow programmer some years ago said that she preferred the waterfall methodology because it was a lot more peaceful. Closed loop can make you feel like you are on a mission from God, or "Gad", as John Belushi would have said.
Wow all these words to say "practice makes perfect". And you needed a college course to understand this? Where I'm from we learn this by 18 months old, when most children are fully potty trained and fully out of diapers. Lol American education really is a joke
Lucas is an example of a weed. The strongest plant grows in the crack in the concrete. You don't crack concrete easily. People think weeds are a nuisance and an evil. A weed is God showing you what real life means against your hard heart. Mountains are broken apart by weeds that have learned to become trees.
This is a pretty stupid index. Lets take some products with Really large ratios. Product. A silicon chip. Raw material. A pinch of sand. Product, a single strand of DNA containing the genome for a custom designed organism. Input, raw amino acids. In the DNA example, designing the custom life form is going to take a lot of smart biologists, who want paid. Designing chips takes a lot of smart chip designers. The equipment to turn silicon into the chip is also expensive. Labor and equipment costs are real and important and having them be larger than material costs isn't a sign that anything is wrong.
The idiot index isn’t a universally applied rule. You can see the general idea is to use it in a way to force things to be as economic as possible, cutting waste and inefficiency. This is one of the reasons why Tesla and SpaceX have machined a lot of things in house. It surely is one of the reasons why Tesla created their own lithium refinery as an alternative to traditional lithium extraction which takes a lot of energy and water from the environment.
I've had the chance to know managers from Tesla. Vision and capabilities aside, Elon is frequently cruel and capricious in how he treats people. He's a nightmare boss. People leave scarred.
In this case though, the guy was the financial analyst for the Raptor, how would he not know raw steel price is about $700 a ton??? Or all the raw cost prices of materials for that matter?
@@island97 Tesla?? The one where black employees have said that they were racially abused and said that managers call them "working on the plantation"? THAT tesla?
@@island97 Seems nonsensical to rank a CEO highly when they're driven to attain a nonsensical goal. Rushing to get to Mars at this time, or in the foreseeable future, is unjustifiable rubbish
@@AlainDessureault are you dumb? You are aware SpaceX launch astronauts and supplies to the ISS ?? They launch satellites for both private and public sector. By your logic. 98% of CEO run nonsensical compaines therefore their performance and management means nothing ?
I feel the same ! I realized musk was a con man years ago with the Hyperloop, boring company etc.... Luckily, he has a church of followers that are better idiots !
Anyone who says "I know more about manufacturing than anyone alive" is displaying the dunning kruger effect... they are an idiot is what I'm trying to say.
@@ophello nothing is wrong with efficiency, but there are some rules in order to set an efficiency index properly. One of those rules is "relevance". In any industrial processes there are many costs beyond "raw material". Sometimes the raw material costs could be irrelevant. This dumb index would consider "idiotic" all the following: farmaceutical (main cost: R&D) semiconductors (main cost: equipment) aerospace (main costs: all the above plus advanced quality control in order to prevent the destruction of the whole vehicle)
musk should find the "idiot index" of US healthcare and make it affordable. That will his greatest service to mankind and redeem him for his monstrosities on his employees !
To be successful in any corporation you learn very quickly to do what your boss needs doing first, then you do everything you need to do, to do your job and everyone occasionally gets chewed out by their boss, this just sounds like every company I’ve ever worked for.
When the idiot index was defined in this video, my first thought was, “If it’s more important that a critical and/or complex part be manufactured with a high degree of precision, it will cost more as a natural consequence - and you should expect to pay more”. So essentially this video says Musk didn’t care about that which is highly concerning. It also misdefines the index: it’s not a measure of “you’re an idiot;” it’s a measure of how much a person who who buys the part at the asking price would be an idiot - except that only an idiot would throw out the factors of criticality, complexity, and need for precision machining! It’s like saying you shouldn’t pay more for a plane’s propeller than you would pay for an equal weight of the same material to make, for example, hardware for the passenger seatback tray tables. Which would you care about if a failure was to occur??? Musk doesn’t strike me as someone who seriously cares about others.
In Kantian philosophy, particularly in the realm of ethics, the idea of dehumanizing someone and treating them merely as a means to an end is often associated with the concept of instrumentalization or instrumental reasoning. This is closely related to Immanuel Kant's principle of treating humanity, whether in oneself or in others, always as an end in itself, and never merely as a means to some other end. When individuals are reduced to mere instruments or tools for the achievement of one's goals, their intrinsic worth as rational beings capable of moral agency is disregarded. This dehumanizing treatment undermines their dignity and autonomy, which are central to Kantian ethics. Instead of recognizing and respecting the inherent value and rationality of individuals, they are objectified and exploited solely for the benefit of others.
What matters is cutting down the total cost, which, in the case of self-produced parts, is the sum of the cost of the raw material and the cost of turning that material into a part, including machining and labor. You could reduce the total cost not just by reducing the latter, but also the former, which would actually increase Musk's idiot index, not decrease it.
@@argfasdfgadfgasdfgsdfgsdfg6351 if i understand it correctly then the idiot index is an approach of optimizing production of a fully designed product/part and NOT an approach for designing the part - this assumes that you've already chosen the best/most optimal/feasable material for the job. Completely switching the material that the said part/product is made from at that point is off the table, unless you seriously screwed up somewhere already.
I’ve been using this method, the index, for some time now. I’d look at a $75000 new pickup and imagine it cut into 75 slices. I’d ask myself ‘is each one of these slices worth $1000?
His 'idiot index' is itself not very bright. For example, with microchips, the cheapest chips are quite cheap, and the most expensive ones are quite pricey, yet the cost of 'raw materials' is trivial in each case. You need to employ a much more comprehensive paradigm to judge what is a reasonable cost for 'item A'.
There are quite a few things it doesn't apply to. At least microchips have silicon cost. Software products are virtual. Doesn't mean 0 cost. It is cost of the service. In the industry Elon Musk operates, idiot index is a way to triage parts whose production can be potentially streamlined.
Yes, it's well named in that sense. You do of course need to make things efficient, but the way it's presented doesn't value the design and cost of making the parts etc.
@@sriharshacv7760 Yes, but consider the cost of 'raw' materials for microchips. The actual raw cost of sand is about $55/ton. That doesn't mean anything, really. You have to at least talk about a silicon ingot, which has LOTS of special processing involved in specialized facilities, etc. So it is not a 'raw' material. His idiot index does not really work.
You sound like all those who "fight the system" when it comes to implementing the Standards for Cost accounting systems - claiming that it is an absurdity to have to write down which jobs and how long they have used a hammer. Like in everything when it comes to analysis -therer is a "general" category. No - nails are not individuallyrecordedd inthe warehousee records.
Generally there are not rules that apply to everything. He is not making micro chips, and if he was he would obviously understand that final price / raw materials does not make sense.
There is millions of people who endure the same hardships for Less worthy causes. If our school system taught cost analysis, that first conversation wouldn't have happened.
Love him or hate him. He’s the reason why the US is in the discussion of a space race again. Love him or hate him, he’s the reason we could even compare total number of rockets launched from Spacex to other countries. Let that sink in. We used to compare SpaceX to a whole country. Now looking around you have all kinds of rocket companies vying for a chance to claim market share. And don’t say he doesn’t know his technology, because he does.
He is literally blowing up billions of dollars of NASA money over the Gulf of Mexico. Starship is the stupidest way you could think of to land on the moon
Well, actually, he's the reason there isn't really a space race. Falcon and Starship are placing the US so far ahead of everyone else, it will likely be decades before there's any real competition again.
@@jamescarter8311Nonsense -- Falcon 9 has lowered the cost to orbit, it hasn't revolutionized travel to space and boosters are still expended when more delta v is required. As for Starship, it hasn't flown a single successful mission out of three attempts and may never carry a significant amount of payload to low Earth orbit. NASA is going to have to find another vehicle to use as a lunar ferry if Artemis is to take astronauts back to the Moon.
I don't think much of Musk, but I thought at least that the SpaceX staff were capable and professional. That thought ceased when I saw them _whooping and cheering_ like idiots when their Starship rocket blew up shortly after "clearing the launch tower". If Musk had been been on a stage I think they would have thrown their knickers onto it. Why does the USA government pay $billions to these clowns?
The "idiot index" doesn't correlate in any way whatsoever with "value added". Incredibly expensive parts and goods are routinely made with dirt cheap components and elemental substances. The "idiot index" for a modern CPU is stupendous. Elon kind of scares me if he is this literal minded about the idea of "cost".
When you go to the super market you will realise that most food items are priced at at least 10$ per kg no matter the price of raw materials. prices have more to do with what they can make the customer accept (by programming them via social engineering) than by cost reality. That's the idiot index for all us.
There is a vast over-simplification using "idiot-index" in this video. This isn't something new from Elon Musk. It has been around for decades: think of Lean and The Toyota Way and the topic is far more nuanced than just slashing costs. I hope they didn't cut out so many of the processes to make the Raptor engine cheaper so as to make it unsafe. As an engineer, I can tell you that this is a fine line to thread and any poor decision making to make cost an issue over safety would ultimately have real-world life ending consequences. Think of Challenger, Columbia and more recently Boeing. And, pssst, physics also doesn’t care about the bottom line.
" What caused the catastrophic failure of the Space Shuttle Challenger on that cold Florida morning of January 28, 1986? From a technical perspective, experts cite lower-than-expected launch temperatures at Florida's Cape Canaveral, which caused a tiny rubber part called an O-ring to malfunction. "
Let's be frank and honest, the Challenger blew up because of politics, not engineering - the engineers knew what would happen, and that information was suppressed by the booster/o-ring manufacturers management because it would have caused a delay on a very public launch. There's nothing wrong with your engineers actually doing the work and finding and understanding failure modes in a development project - those are the kind of people who, like with Apollo 13, knew their systems and margins so well they knew what they could squeeze out of what was left when it counted. If you don't trust your people enough to understand what they are doing - you probably shouldn't be doing the job in the first place.
Elon Musk: Humans are not reproducing enough! Also Elon Musk: I expect my employees to work themselves to exhaustion to advance my agenda. I don't care if that means you can't have a personal life.
1:05 lol, that goes against the so loved idea of "outsourcing" . It almost never makes sense for a company to outsource productions, employees are always cheaper than the profit of your suppliers. so you should hire whoever you need and do EVERYTHING in-house.
I read the Isaacson biography of Elon Musk - and concluded that (even if I was highly qualified) I would never work for him (Musk) at SpaceX, Tesla, X, or any other company he runs; he's a relentless slave driver. On the other hand, to be a shareholder in a Musk-run company is a likely path toward substantial investment returns and financial bliss. To summarize: - being a Musk employee == bad - being a Musk company shareholder == good
@@alexi9108 Sooner or later reality catches up with hype and Tesla is no exception. Electric cars are NOT the be-all-end-all solution to mankind's transportation needs - and investors finally figured that out (i.e. Tesla stock was WAY overvalued). Nonetheless, there was a time when Tesla WAS one of the most valuable companies in the world - let alone, THE most valuable (based on market cap) automobile company in the world.
@@TyroneSayWTF Tesla bubble was created mostly out of fraudulent claims and promises for FSD and all the imaginary benefits of owning a Tesla, even Musk admitted it was overvalued so it's funny how long it took lol
You need to pick and choose the shares very carefully though. Many of his companies and projects are not a good investment already, the infamous solar rooftiles alone were just laughable and even the allmighty Tesla is not doing too great with their crappy build quality and questionable product lifecycle practices either. The stupid game he plays is clearly unsustainable and the moment trouble starts to pile up there will be no way out for the absolute majority if not for all his companies. But Starlink for example still has little competition and the steep equipment and prices and tarrifs along with poor signal delays still keep the gamers and even more importantly the masses of online porn enjoyers, the main Internet traffic users, from swiftly and firmly pushing the system to its knees. But thankfully when the inevitable happens to some of his companies for now he always has something else still rolling and thus keeping the Musk dream alive and once in a while some important guys may leverage the government to bail them out for some emergency contract. This is why you can not assume all the companies to have a period of bubble like growth followed by a single quick collapse. You need to be ready to buy and sell at a moment's notice or you will inevitably just lose your investments. Investing in Musk's companies are all high risk high reward kind of game.
@@Kirillissimus Please proofread your comment before posting. Also, the following passage sounds to me like a bit of disgruntlement from personal experience: "
Bottom line is that he invests his billions into his passion. Which in his case is trying to save humanity. When people are passionate emotions can run high, because you care. I hope that one day you find whatever it is that drives you on that level. That you are willing to sacrifice great things for it. And at times you will yell
@MrRaulstrnad. The entire industry is based on government subsidies so your point is moot. If others could do it better they would. But they arent even close. Try again
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The entire point of starting a selective separate society free from the anarchy our home has become. If we all become dust tomorrow at least the best aspects will carry on.
only reason to not have respect for him is if your ideology differs frim his....beyond that...his track record is quite unique with ppl currently alive.....and your differing ideology _should not_ matter because its irrelevant for the subject....it tells quite a lot about you as a person.
This video was a great reminder what a colossal turd Musk is. That fact that people are enamored with his endless incompetence and bullying is mind-boggling.
I don't regret passing on the opportunity to work in Sparks Nevada, because my talents would not have been applied there. The idiot index was coined by a dispassionate overzealous idiot. @DNomer said it very well: His 'idiot index' is itself not very bright. For example, with microchips, the cheapest chips are quite cheap, and the most expensive ones are quite pricey, yet the cost of 'raw materials' is trivial in each case. You need to employ a much more comprehensive paradigm to judge what is a reasonable cost for 'item A'.
looks like Elon wants to run a marathon distance with 100m dash pace. Non-sustainable, it's sad, as he will have more delays as many people will leave and they will spent more time on hiring and onboarding, than actual work
I imagine that it takes a hard driving leader to achieve the kind of goals that Elon Musk has. He works his ass off and he expects the same from his employees. The global competition is fierce.
This ratio is like BMI. It can be fudged if there's not enough context. What if I said the raw material and the product was the same price thereby bringing it closer to a 1:1 ratio? Like making the raw material more expensive but the production is still the same price. Who is the idiot now?
Im an excellent engineer. We all got inquiries from Tesla about 4 years ago. He wouldnt pay the rates that are normal in competing industries. We engineers started ignoring the inquiries from Tesla and the Indian recruiters. The Model 3 was delayed for production. You get what you pay for. Another 20 bucks an hour, that he refused to pay would have bought him millions in reduced time to market. Who is the idiot now? BTW, why does every corporate guru think india is the way to go for engineers? They suck.
I think some context is missing here. I work in manufacturing as a machinist. It's been my experience that it is true, that engineers will occasionally over-engineer a part. Eg; opt to machine a part, that would be cheaper to fabricate. But fabrication comes with its own costs as well. Fabricated parts are usually much cheaper, but they also can require large costs in tooling to get to that point...and if you aren't running large volumes of parts, the cost can be counter-productive. You don't want to spend millions in fabrication tooling, when you're focused on low volume prototype parts. In that case, the high cost of machining, might still be the better way to go. Also, certain parts are high precision for a reason, and there is really no getting around it. When the video said that "Elon cares about humanity, but in a macro sense", I found that kind of troubling. It initially implies that he's potentially willing to cut corners and make sacrifices...maybe where human lives are concerned?
He's on record stating matter of factly that the Mars project WILL cause some deaths, that it is inevitable, and that anyone who can't swallow that fact need not apply. Sounds harsh but he's probably right and it is better to rip that bandaid off sooner rather than later. Frankly I find the lack of sugarcoating refreshing.
@@rpscorp9457 Often, this kind of thing is a grossly over simplified. Eg; How much research from engineering went into determining the appropriate bushing?…the size, type, material? If the bushing is subjected to unique stresses, testing will have to be performed in order determine material type and even shape and size. All of these decisions are made by qualified, well-paid people in the research and development phase of a project. So yes, sometimes you can wind up with a $90K bag of bushings. To the layman this seems unacceptable. But that fact alone doesn’t mean the cost can’t be justified.
@@summerbreeze5115 Boltzmann was a physicist who has major contributions in statistical mechanics and has also given the statistical description of 2nd law of thermodynamics.. i couldnt get to much about him...
@@Vengemann He committed suicide Must have been a weak man :P I had used in equation when i was in high school in the chapter "gaseous State" something that sort
@@summerbreeze5115 to be honest we can determine him weak as we dont clearly know what happened to his mental condition .. i heard many people didnt believe him started going against him.. And that is what i clearly want to know what made him suicide even though it was a bad idea...
There was s some truth to this. When I was in engineering school, I had a teacher that had worked with a NASA contractor. He said he would routinely see someone take a regular hareware screw off the shelf that cost about 5 cents at the time, put in in a bag and write "Space Screw, $1.25.". There has traditionally been a lot of graft in the industry. But "how much is your customer willing to pay for an item" is also how we determine what the price point of an item will be. The highter the price point over cost of material, labor, maintenance and plant build, the more profit is made, and the more investors will invest in the product. So, now the manufacturer has investors, whom by law have to see a profit on their investment. But they have a buyer who wants to lower the price point signifagantly. Easy, just lower your profit margin, right? The answer to this question will be left to those who work in actual corporate America... Or any other country.
@@donaldhobson8873 An ORE is the name given to a rock or group of rocks that contain something that makes economic sense... what are you talking about? You better find some Rhodium ore... 😀
This is one of the most elementary concepts in supply chain management which when taken alone means absolutely nothing. Elon is just a marketing guy and its shameful how many people buy into this crap. Ironically, the real idiots are the ones that can't critically think or be bothered to do the most basic due diligence.
Musk being a businessman is able to do something the Chinese government has always wanted. Self sufficiency. By building everything himself, he can cut out costs and make his business profitable.
"Idiot index" is used to judge one product floating over value or not, it's super meaningful not only considering on manufacture but also throughout human being life as well.
I can illustrate that. In terms of the product of my wages vs. what they were worth to me, particularly when money gets weighed against the worth of my time to live a normal life and health in all its aspects. I was asked to work split shifts, 6 am to 2 pm and 6 pm to 10 pm. Problem is I'm biologically a night owl. On my normal 12-hour days I wake up at 4:20 am and by the time I get home at 6:30 pm, I eat and then just flop to sleep. That's the only way I can make up for my exhaustion at not working according to my personal circadian rhythm. But when I did split shifts, I got home at 10:30 pm and because of my night owl nature, couldn't fall asleep till about 2 a.m. So I wound up working on a bit over 2 hours sleep a day for multiple days. And then stepping into 12-hour shifts on top of that. Boy was I out of it. For days afterward too, my sleep schedule was crazy and I did not feel clear at all. For me, the product of my labor, that is, cash and higher regard at the company, was not worth the greatly increased difficulty at work and being completely drained afterward even on my days off. I thought splitting my shifts and working extra was worth it. At the cost of my health and clarity and ability to have any pleasure if only to curry favor and/or avoid office politics pain. It wasn't. The money would have had to be far better to not let me fall into an idiot metric with regard to the value of my labor and life. SO MUCH extra effort and negative health effects for relatively little money.
@@MarcIverson is that boring person who is constantly waiting for an opportunity to turn the conversation to "ME ME ME". Even when that means comparing their pathetic life to an historic spacecraft launch.
@@MediaFilter the user you address in your pathetic rant only added a "lived experience" record in the "Work vs Life" discussion that goes on above. It will be interesting to see the outcome of 4d workweek experiments that have started recently in several places. Allegedly longer days, so 10h I suppose. Others (mostly women) want 6.5h days. It seems like (especially younger) males are easier to to manipulate to sacrifice themselves to a "greater" cause.
@@jonashellsborn7648 Thank you. I was only trying to helpfully validate the poster's thesis before being blindsided by a troll ambush. Even if I'm not interesting, and I have no desire to win over the whole world, I thought it was useful to broaden and validate the discussion regardless. Seems positive to me.
This type of “idiot index” is dumb in itself for anything that’s complex. It’s a good thing NASA contractors were intelligent enough not to use it during the Apollo program.
Dude should have just scribbled his name and the date, and handed it over, and said "okay, here. Resigned" The level of 'fuck this shit' is off the charts here.
@@gramma677 no most car companies are not fully intergraded at all. They are buy large amounts of parts from third party manufacturers. Some of their car bodies are even entirely made by third party manufacturers. This is common practice in the industry and has been moving more towards outsourcing since the 70s. It is the same way across most industries because manufacturing at scale is very difficult. If you look at the watch industry Rolex was so highly valued because it was the only company that was able to fully integrate until very recently. Before the last couple years most other watch makers were buying their entire movements from third party dealers. Tesla is becoming fully integrated to the point that it’s starting to refine its own lithium for batteries
@@gramma677 no most large car companies aren’t fully integrated and are out sourcing many parts and process to third party suppliers. It’s been that way and has only increased since the 70s
Ye we are supposed to stop the world working for 1 week, bcs Lucas has lost a baby =(. Forget about 2 billion poor, Forget about diseases, Forget about your futur. Stop please bcs cmon Lucas you know. It's a human being come on. We have to stop working and shit. The entier humanity for LUCAS. We stand for LUCAS. Because we were so dump to find any other creative idea to damage the reputation of the man in a millenium. So sad, man. I am crying now for LUCAS. hoooooly shit. Our precious LUCAS.
It's called abuse of power. Powerful people must resist the temptation to hurt people when it is not necessary. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is the golden rule. We all know this.
Too many people think that the Raptor engine is a done deal when the reality is that the jury is still out as to whether the Raptor engine design is up to the task. The Raptor 2 is an improvement on Raptor 1 with increases in performance and thrust and a reduction in the the amount of parts which reduces the amount of time to manufacture and test. But that is for nought if the engines can't be reliably re-lit and are insufficient in lifting the required payload. Maybe a betting man might be looking for Raptor 5 before all the problems are resolved.
So true. Also if Elon asks about the price of steel for the engine he must be thinking that he can push the price of the engine towards the price of steel, right? So why burn fuel each way trying to bring back that engine (or 36 of them!) to be refurbished, why not just make disposable engines like the rest of the industry...
@@Axel_Andersenbecause rocket engines cost a lot of money. It is stupid to throw away millions dollars parts after 10 minutes of use. Its like throwing away your car when the tank is empty, instead of keeping a little bit of fuel to go to the gas station.
@@niconico3907 You missed the point. IF Elon thinks that the price of the raw material (a few thousands) is significant compared to the complete engine price (millions according to you) then he must be thinking that he can push the price of the engine down close to the raw material prices. So IF he can do that or believes he can do that, THEN it would make sense for him to use disposable rockets because re-usable rockets are heavier and more expensive than re-usable and will still require refurbishment between flights (unless you buy his lies about one hour turn around).
@@Axel_Andersen Regardless of what you say, SpaceX currently offers the cheapest rate for getting material to orbit. So the engines are cheap, and they can be reset and reused in a more cost effective way than just making disposable rockets. Proof is in the numbers
@@stevenwoerpel1884 So you want to change the subject and not talk about idiotic idiot index and making pumps from steel? Talking about whataboutism.... Ok. Yes, I agree that SpaceX Falcon 9 seems to offer good value for money. I'm still a bit skeptical because it is not a public company so we do not know the real number ie are the books on red or black. However, trying to keep in the subject ie Elon's competence, how much of this apparent success is due to or despite of Mush?
The notion of establishing a community on a barren planet that has no oxygen, no water, and no livable atmosphere is idiotic. But if you will be able to subscribe to a daily pay per view tv stream to watch the volunteers who will be stuffed into the rocket for two years then I will pay to see them. Because the notion that a small group of strangers forced to live together with no means of escape will be worth the money. Oh, and the trip back is also two years. I’m going to stock up on popcorn to watch this idiotic venture.
CEO's can cost billions. But are made of meat which is like $10/kg. And weigh 100kg. So a CEO can have an index of over a million. Ie get rid of Elon and replace him with a stack of burgers.
I like the name : “Idiot Index”. But I would take a different index. “Total cost” vs “Payload”. Just googled, whether Balloons are already used instead of rocket and found : Launching Rockets from Balloons is About to be a Thing, But We Need a Better Name than “Rockoons” I am not sure, whether I like the name *Rockoons* . But I like the idea and we should forget about classic Rockets. There are a couple of other ideas, but Rockoons can be the cheapest.
It has previously been examined in MBAs as Porter's value chain. If there were an 'idiot index' it would be surely based on the efficiency of competing methods adding the same 'value'. The real Idiot index here is Musk, after saying 'I know more about anyone else on earth about manufacturing' not knowing that this 'added value' has been a thing for a long time.
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Isn’t this “idiot index” like a basic business concept.
@@AL-lh2ht re-branded by Elon
I am permanently banned from tweeting on X!
When I wrote, "What tweet was in violation of what rule?", I received no response.
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The best I can figure is I had written criticisms of Rachel Maddow and Michael Dell. Some with 4 million views. Maybe their social media connected people colluded with Elon Musk social media people?
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Elon Musk "absolute free expression" is a lie.
FIX IT, ELON MUSK.
Now let's hear about X-formerly-known-as-Twitter. Then, maybe pay tribute to Musk's politics ("My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci" -EM). Or, are you trolling us for clicks?
There are many types of idiot indexes. The leader that would employ bullying and berating would get a higher idiot rating than a leader who could achieve the same with kinder manners.
Isaacson mentioned several of his workers left after being burned out. One of them returned, and Isaacson asked him why he returned he said "I had the choice of being burned out, or being bored, I chose to be burned out" damn, where does Elon find those people?
True talent and hard work are very hard to come by.
There are some fates worse than having too much to do! Excellent anecdote 👍🏻
never heard of passion or hard work?
@@MiracleBro605 At this level? Nah.
Having a job that actually gives you a feeling off accomplishment and purpose does that to people, regardless of the pay. Elon's companies have been pushing the boundaries of their industries and have become a magnet for highly motivated problem solvers.
I can tell you right now, all these companies waaaaaay overspend on parts and materials. I know, i sell them.
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Its a myth of "rocket science", claim it's very complex thing and you can earn a lot
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@@sebastianchmielewski6281yes, I agree however , the principle is vastly expandable. Example.. medical anything, even chairs have an enormous markup that is simply greed. I can buy office furniture cheaper, but I can’t do the same thing with autoclaves and syringes.
@@sebastianchmielewski6281Cool story bro, how many did you build ?
I'm reminded that a pound of iron is extremely cheap, but when fashioned into sewing needles, that same pound of iron increases in value hundreds of times.
sounds like Adam Smith
A Mars bound Starship has just a single use. No going back to earth.
@@DataWaveTaGoStarship is supposed to be capable of making several round trips.
figures a billionaire would not appreciate that labor costs money.
@@Pooua "supposed" is the key concept here.
This is how it should/must be. Working at Tesla or SpaceX is serious work. It's not like it's Starbucks or McDonald's. Everyone has to be a high performer.
Behind the lenses he is looking at these components to answer the age old question "Is it worth manufacturing the item on my own?" vs purchasing it.
This isn't just an Elon thing. This is a hard lesson about the corporate world. When you have a crucial deliverable, bosses don't care about what's going on in your private life. It's not fun, but it is the truth!!!
One of the things wrong in our society
@@ToadyMcgee not really
@@ToadyMcgee when you negotiate a salary this is exactly what you are negotiating. "how much do you have to pay me for me to not care about the fact that you dont give a sheit about me as a person?"
@@Supreme_Lobster We're wired differently. Let's agree to disagree.
She clearly said Elon didn’t know it at that time that he is going through something traumatic personally
So let’s just use more expensive raw materials, and the idiot index will improve 😁
Spoken like a true bureaucrat.
@@RavarsenBlogspot Or a smart sarcastic person. Who knows?
there it is, one of the many flaws in musk cult thinking@@giorgiobarchiesi5003
Elon will accept your resignation. Lol.
@@giorgiobarchiesi5003 No, smart people wouldn't even say that as a joke. You're fired!
Wow, don't ever tell Elon how much Twitter was.🤣
Musk said Twitter wasn't about the money before he even purchased it. It was about having a platform for free speech. That said, X is doing fine.
@jamescarter8311 must be an idiot to believe that. He was forced to buy Twitter, just FYI.
Well, there is no much material in Twitter so the ratio is 40 Bilions totally inefficient.
They lied and a lib "judge...lol" OK'd it
@@jamescarter8311He was forced to buy Twitter. Stop the cap!
Some parts have low material cost but need to be produced on expensive machinery, others using ip. So often the cost of materials is irrelevant. What's relevant is whether the part is good value or not.
Baselines are necessary. Without the "Idiot Index" how would you evaluate?
@@sean-colinfort2111 its dumb. For example, the raw material cost of a quality watch is about $1. Would you spend a million $ setting up a fa tory to make one and hire those with knowhow to operate the factory and then do all the testing just to make a one piece or would you just pay the $500 and save yourself a million bucks.
@@sean-colinfort2111 Idiot index is idiotic.
Your first port of call is to check what are the most expensive parts, functions, procedures etc in your operation. Then you see if you can do without them. Next you see if you can BUY them parts cheaper. In a market economy there is a reason for the price of any goods and services and that market price is usually a good indication of the true cost of if. The cost of setting up production and the capital investment needed usually means that usually means that no single consumer of goods can cost effectively produce those goods. Like car manufactures do not manufacture steel, even Apple does not actually manufacture the M-chips, they have them made.
And on a higher business level making anything at lower cost usually means driving the price of what you are selling down as the competition follows. So you end up doing more and getting less per unit which makes it harder to make a buck. High price low volume is much easier that high volume low price. Especially if the demand is limited ... and this begs the question for the demand of payloads that Super Heavy can carry.... the word idiotic springs to mind.
If a pump is made out of titanium and costs thousands of dollars to machine, why not make it out of cheaper steel? A titanium pump is good value, but a steel one would be better value
@@snakevenom4954 Wood would be cheaper, pitty all those stupid engineers at the other aerospace companies did not realise this and it took the genius of Musk to realise that.
Elon: "If you don't know this weird accounting metric that I invented, I'll treat you like shit."
This was not unknown, it was widely communicated within the company. Managers should know common terms used in the business especially if they are part of the company's unique approach to business.
Yeah! That was a pretty dick move to do to someone in a meeting. Why not just share with everyone the idea of the metric; and then, ask them to think about it. I suppose there are different management / leadership styles. And sometimes, you need to use negative feedback to motivate people. The AMA defines a manager as someone who accomplishes work through others. In order to do so, you need to understand what motivates people and you should also have some understanding of the factors influencing the lives of your immediate / direct reports.
That's pretty much every software engineer
Knowing how much the materials cost is a "weird accounting metric" to you? Elon was right and you're dumb and soft. Cry about it.
if only they put you in charge bro. then we'd see REAL results.
Isn't the Idiot Index just a very small part of the complex Cost Management that is done by every manufacturer in the world?
basic capitalism
Sure it is.
a corporate celebrity coins euphemisms. folks in the trenches are forced to learn new lingo.
yes. but musk sycophants assure us that he created the formula for water
zes but musk is overdoing it better yet musk fans don't really understand what technical development entails
Elon wasn't mean to a random intern. The guy who he yelled at was the financial analyst in charge. If he doesn't know the cost structure then no one does and the entire thing is fucked. For a company hemorrhaging money this is very bad. The jobs of everyone at SpaceX were on the line.
Another Elon fanboy
Whenever I encountered processes or procedures that were broken, I didn't listen to those who said, "Oh, that's always been broken," "we've been trying to fix that for years," or "there's no way you can fix that - not enough time!"
I simply fixed it.
Sometimes it took me weeks. On occasion, it would take me months.
"Do, or do not. There is no try." - Yoda
The idiot index is what the name says.
One Snapdragon SoC can cost $100, but the raw parts, ten microgram of silicon, one gram of epoxy resin may be cost five cents. That has a very high idiot index, and there is no way to reduce it...
I am mentally appending an " 's" to make it an "Idiot's Index" and filing it with the same management-babble as OODA loop, i.e, things that sound plausible if you don't know anything about a particular subject and therefore are highly appealing to higher management.
Now imagine the index for software...
What it does is force you to look at the high ratio parts and see if you can reduce their cost it doesn't mean you can reduce it.
I dont think you get the point, and ill use your example. That chip gets cheaper every year as manufacturing processes improve. The silicone didnt get any cheaper in the last 30 years but the performance per gram of silicone has exponentially increased without a corresponding price increase. The idiot index on cpus is closing
Different industries will have different baseline
The cost of machining is the only thing that adds value to raw materials. It would be something like human labor * technique + raw materials * automation squared. Obviously something like AI could be used to up the weight of "technique", but that'll add a bit to labor cost because you need more specialized labor. This "Idiot Index" is basically the exact same process every corporation is using for cost savings, and something close to Capitalism's push to make everything, including labor itself some kind of market externality they can push the cost of off on someone else's shoulders, so they can steal that value as profit as well. Literally nothing new here to see, aside from tricking people to do rocket science for minimum wage.
Seriously! The exclusion of the labor in the cost is some kind of fantasy
I wonder what the idiot index is on a CPU? The value of a CPU can't be judged by its raw materials. And what about steel? What's the cost of coal? How about you create your own steel plant? Expertise needed to combine the raw materials has to be considered. And can you obtain those raw materials at the same price as a company that buys large amounts of this raw materials at a discount? Is buying the equipment to process the raw materials cost effective when you're not in that business.
It looks that Elon learned that primitive capitalist lesson very well. Still his water tanks rockets will never take people to Mars in this shape. He needs more innovation than material so that ratio will exceed a lot more the idiot index .
its called vertical integration@@GizmoMaltese
@@Sal3600 I know it's called vertical integration. I'm just pointing that just looking at raw materials is rather pointless in all but the most basic parts.
What's the idiot index on buying Twitter for 40 Billion?
Musk was forced to pay that much by the courts. He wanted to back out when he found out that he'd been misled about the real state of Twitter.
@@gramma677 still, ratio gives ranking. Good job not seeing that.
What is the cost for abdicating responsibility to fundamental human rights - including Free Speech?
Where you been over the last 6 years, bro??
While you are entitled to your thought and comment(s) - it stinks.
You sh!t the bed, bro.
You cannot put a price on free speech. It's worth more than life.
No price on freedom of speech would be the answer. But there's definitely a price... taxes😅
They get paid to perform... and communicate.
If he is having a problem with the death of his child, he should say something, not act like his boss is fucking telepathic.
Smart comment.
@@abyssaals Underrated comment. 👍
in this case Musk dont need to know , because he wouldnt know the answers if his child s ok
When you lose somebody, your brain will go into protective mode, AKA a (clinical) depression. Often times, a depression does not cause the patient to be sad or "depressed", instead, certain cognitive or executive processes will be slowed down or will stop altogether for some time. The inability to communicate is a typical symptom of a depression. ... so, yes, a good boss SHOULD be telepathic in that sense that he should pick up non-verbal signs that a person is not functioning properly. I was in the leadership team of big corporations and we all got trained by psychologists to spot such cases so we would not do additional damage.
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And by the way, EMPATHY is a fucking function of intelligence. You might want to think a bit about that before commenting on a subject you clearly have NO clue about.
My brother had died when I was on the job, I got ZERO sympathy or understanding in my hard times by coworkers or management
I feel you brother. You're not human being with emotions; personal life; persona, after all. You're just a tool. Or worse - a cog in the machine. And how they feel is not important, right?
And definitely how people feel and their psychological state is not going to affect their motivation and performance, doesn't it?
I give You my sympathy and understanding.
That sucks. Reducing people to what they can produce is what has lead to such a heartless philosophy in work culture. When we forget that we undertake these endeavors to make life better and focus only on productivity, we defeat our own purpose. It's not a burden to care, it's what we are here for no matter how advanced our technology becomes.
What you guys fail to understand is that every single person is going through some sort of traumatic event or will soon. Your brother died, your boss's father is dying of cancer and his wife just left him. His boss's son just got diagnosed with a terminal illness and he's on the verge of bankruptcy. Life is tragedy, but it's the case for all of us.
@@allanshpeley4284 I do indeed understand that.
The us government needs to use the idiot index with pharmaceutical, medical treatments, military purchases and all contracts with companies, even with Space X and Tesla. Think of how much $$$ taxpayers would save.
Nevertheless, government will waste the saved money on irrelevant international problems.
@@ibtehaj-khan How are international problems irrelevant? 9/11 was very much international problem and what about immigrants flocking America, or oil imports and exports ... contrary to what some people think Texas is not the whole world and the global problems have consequences in Iowa too.
Don't get confused between the "idiot index" and "being an idiot". One is an analytical took - the other is a painful reality and fact when it comes to DC.
@@Axel_Andersenmaybe if you leave other countries alone, they won't try to destroy you anyway they can. If you start wars in other countries, they'll bring back the wars to you.
When the government spends $1000 on a lightbulb, they aren't spending $1000 on a lightbulb. They are spending $2 on a lightbulb, then spending $998 on a dark project that they don't want you to know about. Then they cook the books and said they spent $1000 on a lightbulb.
When a dog is expecting a beating but gets encouragement instead, it gets excited and happy. That is not inspiring leadership.
That's what you took from this?
Landing the Rocket...When Gravity is Free is a Hugh Idiot Index...🤣
GENIUS!!!
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Landing the rocket 10,000$ beuilding new rocket 5-10 million$ idiot index of 500/1 or 1000/1 so who is the idiot
Biggest idiot
Yup
Musk is an idiot
I was impressed by Musk's comment about "people having a strong feedback loop". If you have never taken control theory in college, you may not grasp the power of feedback loops to control the world. Almost all control equipment in the whole world uses some form of closed loop feedback. In that class, and a few years later in my first job, I realized that feedback was the key to people being able to improve things. No one can get things right the first time, except by accident, and no one executes perfectly every day. The key to making improvements is repeated refinement of process to achieve a particular goal based on new information becoming available. Interesting, I could not convince my managers of this fact. Managers typically run in an open-loop. That is, they issue orders and expect other people to make them happen.
Having said all this, it can be exhausting to be part of that feedback loop. The agile s/w methodology basically is a codification of a closed feedback loop. A fellow programmer some years ago said that she preferred the waterfall methodology because it was a lot more peaceful. Closed loop can make you feel like you are on a mission from God, or "Gad", as John Belushi would have said.
Wow all these words to say "practice makes perfect". And you needed a college course to understand this? Where I'm from we learn this by 18 months old, when most children are fully potty trained and fully out of diapers. Lol American education really is a joke
You don’t get it do you? Maybe you need a college degree.
Lucas is an example of a weed. The strongest plant grows in the crack in the concrete. You don't crack concrete easily. People think weeds are a nuisance and an evil. A weed is God showing you what real life means against your hard heart. Mountains are broken apart by weeds that have learned to become trees.
But few ever become trees. Few ever even bloom. They are cut down by the lawnmower known as the feeling.
Start packing if Elon ever says; I'll be Back.
This is a pretty stupid index.
Lets take some products with Really large ratios.
Product. A silicon chip. Raw material. A pinch of sand.
Product, a single strand of DNA containing the genome for a custom designed organism. Input, raw amino acids.
In the DNA example, designing the custom life form is going to take a lot of smart biologists, who want paid. Designing chips takes a lot of smart chip designers. The equipment to turn silicon into the chip is also expensive.
Labor and equipment costs are real and important and having them be larger than material costs isn't a sign that anything is wrong.
The idiot index isn’t a universally applied rule. You can see the general idea is to use it in a way to force things to be as economic as possible, cutting waste and inefficiency. This is one of the reasons why Tesla and SpaceX have machined a lot of things in house. It surely is one of the reasons why Tesla created their own lithium refinery as an alternative to traditional lithium extraction which takes a lot of energy and water from the environment.
I've had the chance to know managers from Tesla. Vision and capabilities aside, Elon is frequently cruel and capricious in how he treats people. He's a nightmare boss. People leave scarred.
In this case though, the guy was the financial analyst for the Raptor, how would he not know raw steel price is about $700 a ton??? Or all the raw cost prices of materials for that matter?
Yet tesla and SpaceX employees have rated the companies as the best places to work. And elon has been ranked in the top 5 best CEOs by his employees.
@@island97 Tesla?? The one where black employees have said that they were racially abused and said that managers call them "working on the plantation"? THAT tesla?
@@island97 Seems nonsensical to rank a CEO highly when they're driven to attain a nonsensical goal. Rushing to get to Mars at this time, or in the foreseeable future, is unjustifiable rubbish
@@AlainDessureault are you dumb? You are aware SpaceX launch astronauts and supplies to the ISS ?? They launch satellites for both private and public sector.
By your logic. 98% of CEO run nonsensical compaines therefore their performance and management means nothing ?
This is the best infomercial for NOT having women in STEM careers.
The idea of being criticized or sleeping on the floor is unimaginable to them… LOL
Where in this does it state that? Douche
truest words ive read in a while.
Lmao i can feel how irritate they will be seeing this comment and i love it😂
I was in physics grad, the few women that I met were the most insufferable, over-compensating individuals.
What a delusional and sad thread
as an industrial engineer I can say that only an idiot could think about an index like that
I feel the same ! I realized musk was a con man years ago with the Hyperloop, boring company etc.... Luckily, he has a church of followers that are better idiots !
This is why engineers are managed by accountants.
Anyone who says "I know more about manufacturing than anyone alive" is displaying the dunning kruger effect... they are an idiot is what I'm trying to say.
Why is it wrong to do things efficiently and spend less money?
@@ophello
nothing is wrong with efficiency, but there are some rules in order to set an efficiency index properly.
One of those rules is "relevance".
In any industrial processes there are many costs beyond "raw material".
Sometimes the raw material costs could be irrelevant.
This dumb index would consider "idiotic" all the following:
farmaceutical (main cost: R&D)
semiconductors (main cost: equipment)
aerospace (main costs: all the above plus advanced quality control in order to prevent the destruction of the whole vehicle)
musk should find the "idiot index" of US healthcare and make it affordable. That will his greatest service to mankind and redeem him for his monstrosities on his employees !
To be successful in any corporation you learn very quickly to do what your boss needs doing first, then you do everything you need to do, to do your job and everyone occasionally gets chewed out by their boss, this just sounds like every company I’ve ever worked for.
When the idiot index was defined in this video, my first thought was, “If it’s more important that a critical and/or complex part be manufactured with a high degree of precision, it will cost more as a natural consequence - and you should expect to pay more”. So essentially this video says Musk didn’t care about that which is highly concerning. It also misdefines the index: it’s not a measure of “you’re an idiot;” it’s a measure of how much a person who who buys the part at the asking price would be an idiot - except that only an idiot would throw out the factors of criticality, complexity, and need for precision machining! It’s like saying you shouldn’t pay more for a plane’s propeller than you would pay for an equal weight of the same material to make, for example, hardware for the passenger seatback tray tables. Which would you care about if a failure was to occur??? Musk doesn’t strike me as someone who seriously cares about others.
In Kantian philosophy, particularly in the realm of ethics, the idea of dehumanizing someone and treating them merely as a means to an end is often associated with the concept of instrumentalization or instrumental reasoning. This is closely related to Immanuel Kant's principle of treating humanity, whether in oneself or in others, always as an end in itself, and never merely as a means to some other end.
When individuals are reduced to mere instruments or tools for the achievement of one's goals, their intrinsic worth as rational beings capable of moral agency is disregarded. This dehumanizing treatment undermines their dignity and autonomy, which are central to Kantian ethics. Instead of recognizing and respecting the inherent value and rationality of individuals, they are objectified and exploited solely for the benefit of others.
@@gramma677 you talk about data and then you say anecdotal perspective. Those two aint compatible.
AS USUAL musk TAKES SOMEONE'S IDEA AND MAKES IT HIS OWN... I'M SURE HENRY FORD USED THE SAME RATIO BUILDING THE MODEL T...
The model tS never exploded violently in space
All CAPS huh like a grown up?
I wanted to say how silly you sound, but realized it would be a waste of time.
@@gramma677 Maybe going to space for real !?
Show us what you’ve built yourself
What matters is cutting down the total cost, which, in the case of self-produced parts, is the sum of the cost of the raw material and the cost of turning that material into a part, including machining and labor.
You could reduce the total cost not just by reducing the latter, but also the former, which would actually increase Musk's idiot index, not decrease it.
@@argfasdfgadfgasdfgsdfgsdfg6351 if i understand it correctly then the idiot index is an approach of optimizing production of a fully designed product/part and NOT an approach for designing the part - this assumes that you've already chosen the best/most optimal/feasable material for the job. Completely switching the material that the said part/product is made from at that point is off the table, unless you seriously screwed up somewhere already.
I’ve been using this method, the index, for some time now. I’d look at a $75000 new pickup and imagine it cut into 75 slices. I’d ask myself ‘is each one of these slices worth $1000?
It's easy to be a "leader" when you are the main shareholder and the guy who gets all the reward and the limelight.
Do you mean theft of previous work payments from Denver mint
His 'idiot index' is itself not very bright. For example, with microchips, the cheapest chips are quite cheap, and the most expensive ones are quite pricey, yet the cost of 'raw materials' is trivial in each case. You need to employ a much more comprehensive paradigm to judge what is a reasonable cost for 'item A'.
There are quite a few things it doesn't apply to. At least microchips have silicon cost. Software products are virtual. Doesn't mean 0 cost. It is cost of the service. In the industry Elon Musk operates, idiot index is a way to triage parts whose production can be potentially streamlined.
Yes, it's well named in that sense. You do of course need to make things efficient, but the way it's presented doesn't value the design and cost of making the parts etc.
@@sriharshacv7760 Yes, but consider the cost of 'raw' materials for microchips. The actual raw cost of sand is about $55/ton. That doesn't mean anything, really. You have to at least talk about a silicon ingot, which has LOTS of special processing involved in specialized facilities, etc. So it is not a 'raw' material. His idiot index does not really work.
You sound like all those who "fight the system" when it comes to implementing the Standards for Cost accounting systems - claiming that it is an absurdity to have to write down which jobs and how long they have used a hammer.
Like in everything when it comes to analysis -therer is a "general" category. No - nails are not individuallyrecordedd inthe warehousee records.
Generally there are not rules that apply to everything. He is not making micro chips, and if he was he would obviously understand that final price / raw materials does not make sense.
Lucas's personal issues notwithstanding, Elon was asking the right questions.
It is too bad that, now that Enron Musk has entered politics, he has himself become an idiot.
There is millions of people who endure the same hardships for Less worthy causes. If our school system taught cost analysis, that first conversation wouldn't have happened.
Love him or hate him. He’s the reason why the US is in the discussion of a space race again. Love him or hate him, he’s the reason we could even compare total number of rockets launched from Spacex to other countries. Let that sink in. We used to compare SpaceX to a whole country. Now looking around you have all kinds of rocket companies vying for a chance to claim market share. And don’t say he doesn’t know his technology, because he does.
He is literally blowing up billions of dollars of NASA money over the Gulf of Mexico. Starship is the stupidest way you could think of to land on the moon
Wrong in every way.
@@rdbchaseyour life , then it’s correct.
Well, actually, he's the reason there isn't really a space race. Falcon and Starship are placing the US so far ahead of everyone else, it will likely be decades before there's any real competition again.
@@jamescarter8311Nonsense -- Falcon 9 has lowered the cost to orbit, it hasn't revolutionized travel to space and boosters are still expended when more delta v is required. As for Starship, it hasn't flown a single successful mission out of three attempts and may never carry a significant amount of payload to low Earth orbit. NASA is going to have to find another vehicle to use as a lunar ferry if Artemis is to take astronauts back to the Moon.
I don't think much of Musk, but I thought at least that the SpaceX staff were capable and professional.
That thought ceased when I saw them _whooping and cheering_ like idiots when their Starship rocket blew up shortly after "clearing the launch tower". If Musk had been been on a stage I think they would have thrown their knickers onto it. Why does the USA government pay $billions to these clowns?
can't decide if elon is the world's smartest pseudo-intellectual or the world's dumbest intellectual
Neither. More like a cult leader of the world's biggest cult.
The "idiot index" doesn't correlate in any way whatsoever with "value added". Incredibly expensive parts and goods are routinely made with dirt cheap components and elemental substances. The "idiot index" for a modern CPU is stupendous. Elon kind of scares me if he is this literal minded about the idea of "cost".
When you go to the super market you will realise that most food items are priced at at least 10$ per kg no matter the price of raw materials. prices have more to do with what they can make the customer accept (by programming them via social engineering) than by cost reality.
That's the idiot index for all us.
I think Elon should take himself and all his billionaire friends to Mars.
There is a vast over-simplification using "idiot-index" in this video. This isn't something new from Elon Musk. It has been around for decades: think of Lean and The Toyota Way and the topic is far more nuanced than just slashing costs. I hope they didn't cut out so many of the processes to make the Raptor engine cheaper so as to make it unsafe. As an engineer, I can tell you that this is a fine line to thread and any poor decision making to make cost an issue over safety would ultimately have real-world life ending consequences. Think of Challenger, Columbia and more recently Boeing. And, pssst, physics also doesn’t care about the bottom line.
Sure but Elon is still a cuck
" What caused the catastrophic failure of the Space Shuttle Challenger on that cold Florida morning of January 28, 1986? From a technical perspective, experts cite lower-than-expected launch temperatures at Florida's Cape Canaveral, which caused a tiny rubber part called an O-ring to malfunction. "
Let's be frank and honest, the Challenger blew up because of politics, not engineering - the engineers knew what would happen, and that information was suppressed by the booster/o-ring manufacturers management because it would have caused a delay on a very public launch.
There's nothing wrong with your engineers actually doing the work and finding and understanding failure modes in a development project - those are the kind of people who, like with Apollo 13, knew their systems and margins so well they knew what they could squeeze out of what was left when it counted. If you don't trust your people enough to understand what they are doing - you probably shouldn't be doing the job in the first place.
The way you repeatedly saying f ing f ing .. its hilarious 😆 😂
elon really pulled "physics doesn't care about your feeling" LOL
it's bold to think that he is an embodiment of physics lmao.
But jokes aside - it was just his excuse to handwave away criticism sent his way.
Elon Musk: Humans are not reproducing enough! Also Elon Musk: I expect my employees to work themselves to exhaustion to advance my agenda. I don't care if that means you can't have a personal life.
1:05 lol, that goes against the so loved idea of "outsourcing" . It almost never makes sense for a company to outsource productions, employees are always cheaper than the profit of your suppliers. so you should hire whoever you need and do EVERYTHING in-house.
I read the Isaacson biography of Elon Musk - and concluded that (even if I was highly qualified) I would never work for him (Musk) at SpaceX, Tesla, X, or any other company he runs; he's a relentless slave driver. On the other hand, to be a shareholder in a Musk-run company is a likely path toward substantial investment returns and financial bliss.
To summarize:
- being a Musk employee == bad
- being a Musk company shareholder == good
Tesla is currently doing not so good in terms of share price
@@alexi9108 Sooner or later reality catches up with hype and Tesla is no exception. Electric cars are NOT the be-all-end-all solution to mankind's transportation needs - and investors finally figured that out (i.e. Tesla stock was WAY overvalued). Nonetheless, there was a time when Tesla WAS one of the most valuable companies in the world - let alone, THE most valuable (based on market cap) automobile company in the world.
@@TyroneSayWTF Tesla bubble was created mostly out of fraudulent claims and promises for FSD and all the imaginary benefits of owning a Tesla, even Musk admitted it was overvalued so it's funny how long it took lol
You need to pick and choose the shares very carefully though. Many of his companies and projects are not a good investment already, the infamous solar rooftiles alone were just laughable and even the allmighty Tesla is not doing too great with their crappy build quality and questionable product lifecycle practices either. The stupid game he plays is clearly unsustainable and the moment trouble starts to pile up there will be no way out for the absolute majority if not for all his companies. But Starlink for example still has little competition and the steep equipment and prices and tarrifs along with poor signal delays still keep the gamers and even more importantly the masses of online porn enjoyers, the main Internet traffic users, from swiftly and firmly pushing the system to its knees. But thankfully when the inevitable happens to some of his companies for now he always has something else still rolling and thus keeping the Musk dream alive and once in a while some important guys may leverage the government to bail them out for some emergency contract. This is why you can not assume all the companies to have a period of bubble like growth followed by a single quick collapse. You need to be ready to buy and sell at a moment's notice or you will inevitably just lose your investments. Investing in Musk's companies are all high risk high reward kind of game.
@@Kirillissimus Please proofread your comment before posting.
Also, the following passage sounds to me like a bit of disgruntlement from personal experience: "
Elon Musk stopped emotional development sometimes between the ages of 2 and 5.
What a despicable comment.
@@helmshardover What a despicable Musk simp
@@helmshardover Not despicable, hars, yes, but feels true..
Bottom line is, it's easy to say anything rude to others when you got billions dollar
Bottom line is that he invests his billions into his passion. Which in his case is trying to save humanity. When people are passionate emotions can run high, because you care. I hope that one day you find whatever it is that drives you on that level. That you are willing to sacrifice great things for it. And at times you will yell
I might have retired after few millions not even billions 🤣 no passion just fun..
it's easy to say anything rude to others WHEN YOU LIVE OFF GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES
@@MrRaulstrnad who exactly?
@MrRaulstrnad. The entire industry is based on government subsidies so your point is moot. If others could do it better they would. But they arent even close. Try again
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The biggest idiot part is Elon himself lolol he's bankrupting every business he puts his tentacles on lolol
Humanity is not going to Mars if there is no humanity left in us.
Insightful, and gets to the root of the problem: human nature.
The entire point of starting a selective separate society free from the anarchy our home has become. If we all become dust tomorrow at least the best aspects will carry on.
ripped right out of r/im14andthisisdepp
Shut up, solve problems, or leave
@@FromFame I don't need advice from reddit incels. Keep that 💩 to yourself.
@@FromFameI don't need advice from reddit inc€|s. Keep that 💩 to yourself.
My idiot index is how much a person admires Elon Musk :D
Admired him enough to leave a comment about him on a video about him....lol
The index is working, look theres two now!
only reason to not have respect for him is if your ideology differs frim his....beyond that...his track record is quite unique with ppl currently alive.....and your differing ideology _should not_ matter because its irrelevant for the subject....it tells quite a lot about you as a person.
This video was a great reminder what a colossal turd Musk is. That fact that people are enamored with his endless incompetence and bullying is mind-boggling.
@@paweld Heat, kitchen. If you don't know the rest, you don't have a future in this field.
It's literally impossible to get anything done - and I mean anything - without stepping on someone's toes. It's just life.
Steve Bannon must be at the top of his index. 😂😎
I don't regret passing on the opportunity to work in Sparks Nevada, because my talents would not have been applied there. The idiot index was coined by a dispassionate overzealous idiot.
@DNomer said it very well:
His 'idiot index' is itself not very bright. For example, with microchips, the cheapest chips are quite cheap, and the most expensive ones are quite pricey, yet the cost of 'raw materials' is trivial in each case. You need to employ a much more comprehensive paradigm to judge what is a reasonable cost for 'item A'.
I'd be depressed too if I knew I wasn't going to build a cabin on Mars.
looks like Elon wants to run a marathon distance with 100m dash pace. Non-sustainable, it's sad, as he will have more delays as many people will leave and they will spent more time on hiring and onboarding, than actual work
Elon Musk does't give a F about your life...
obviously didnt watch the video, as thats proven false multiple times.
I imagine that it takes a hard driving leader to achieve the kind of goals that Elon Musk has. He works his ass off and he expects the same from his employees. The global competition is fierce.
This ratio is like BMI. It can be fudged if there's not enough context.
What if I said the raw material and the product was the same price thereby bringing it closer to a 1:1 ratio? Like making the raw material more expensive but the production is still the same price.
Who is the idiot now?
Im an excellent engineer. We all got inquiries from Tesla about 4 years ago. He wouldnt pay the rates that are normal in competing industries. We engineers started ignoring the inquiries from Tesla and the Indian recruiters. The Model 3 was delayed for production. You get what you pay for. Another 20 bucks an hour, that he refused to pay would have bought him millions in reduced time to market. Who is the idiot now? BTW, why does every corporate guru think india is the way to go for engineers? They suck.
I understand were you'rer comming from, but its not like they failed.
Um, I would say it’s idiotic to ignore the offer in retrospect. I am so confused by the moral of your argument
I think some context is missing here. I work in manufacturing as a machinist. It's been my experience that it is true, that engineers will occasionally over-engineer a part. Eg; opt to machine a part, that would be cheaper to fabricate.
But fabrication comes with its own costs as well. Fabricated parts are usually much cheaper, but they also can require large costs in tooling to get to that point...and if you aren't running large volumes of parts, the cost can be counter-productive.
You don't want to spend millions in fabrication tooling, when you're focused on low volume prototype parts. In that case, the high cost of machining, might still be the better way to go.
Also, certain parts are high precision for a reason, and there is really no getting around it.
When the video said that "Elon cares about humanity, but in a macro sense", I found that kind of troubling. It initially implies that he's potentially willing to cut corners and make sacrifices...maybe where human lives are concerned?
90,000$ for a bag of bushings..its that sort of thing he was talking about.
He's on record stating matter of factly that the Mars project WILL cause some deaths, that it is inevitable, and that anyone who can't swallow that fact need not apply.
Sounds harsh but he's probably right and it is better to rip that bandaid off sooner rather than later. Frankly I find the lack of sugarcoating refreshing.
Dollar signs first for most. But its brutal in a world that is more expensive. You made it expensive.
@@rpscorp9457 Often, this kind of thing is a grossly over simplified.
Eg; How much research from engineering went into determining the appropriate bushing?…the size, type, material?
If the bushing is subjected to unique stresses, testing will have to be performed in order determine material type and even shape and size.
All of these decisions are made by qualified, well-paid people in the research and development phase of a project.
So yes, sometimes you can wind up with a $90K bag of bushings. To the layman this seems unacceptable.
But that fact alone doesn’t mean the cost can’t be justified.
@@kendrom Grift...
Please make one about Boltzmann
Yes for sure!
Who is that?
@@summerbreeze5115 Boltzmann was a physicist who has major contributions in statistical mechanics and has also given the statistical description of 2nd law of thermodynamics.. i couldnt get to much about him...
@@Vengemann
He committed suicide
Must have been a weak man :P
I had used in equation when i was in high school in the chapter "gaseous State" something that sort
@@summerbreeze5115 to be honest we can determine him weak as we dont clearly know what happened to his mental condition .. i heard many people didnt believe him started going against him.. And that is what i clearly want to know what made him suicide even though it was a bad idea...
You don't work for Elon to get a cushy job, you work for him to make a difference, to be a part of history.
Hahahhahaha. I can't believe you think that
@@zm5668 do you have an argument against? Laughing isn't an argument.
At least be precise in your thinking: "You work for him to make his difference, to be a part of oblivion when he's made history..."
There was s some truth to this. When I was in engineering school, I had a teacher that had worked with a NASA contractor. He said he would routinely see someone take a regular hareware screw off the shelf that cost about 5 cents at the time, put in in a bag and write "Space Screw, $1.25.". There has traditionally been a lot of graft in the industry.
But "how much is your customer willing to pay for an item" is also how we determine what the price point of an item will be. The highter the price point over cost of material, labor, maintenance and plant build, the more profit is made, and the more investors will invest in the product.
So, now the manufacturer has investors, whom by law have to see a profit on their investment. But they have a buyer who wants to lower the price point signifagantly. Easy, just lower your profit margin, right?
The answer to this question will be left to those who work in actual corporate America... Or any other country.
This "idiot index" is like evaluate the price of a rock by the price of constituent elements...
the idiot index would be very low for people like Archimedes: he used a stick and drew figures in sand
@@bryck7853 Wrong, because the stick was moved by Archimedes, which was the most expensive man of its time 😁
Which works fairly ok for high quality gold ores.
But assigns the same price to coal and diamonds.
@@donaldhobson8873 An ORE is the name given to a rock or group of rocks that contain something that makes economic sense... what are you talking about? You better find some Rhodium ore... 😀
@@kodtechhe said the index cost would be low for archamedes, not the people paying archamedes.
You cannot build a great company with average people. Great people do not want to work with average people. Paraphrase of Steve Jobs.
This is one of the most elementary concepts in supply chain management which when taken alone means absolutely nothing. Elon is just a marketing guy and its shameful how many people buy into this crap. Ironically, the real idiots are the ones that can't critically think or be bothered to do the most basic due diligence.
Damn, I have even more respect for Musk now
Dude is a diamond in the rough of the corporate world
Musk being a businessman is able to do something the Chinese government has always wanted. Self sufficiency. By building everything himself, he can cut out costs and make his business profitable.
Elon says he loves humanity, but humanity is only an abstraction. He acts as if the only human he values is himself.
Cannot wait for him personally to board the rocket to Mars. That cannot happe too soon, sadly it will never happen.
Wow, what has he done to ya'll?
@@Juanvaldez-u5j He basically lies all the time damaging society with those lies and gets away with it. Good riddance.
"Idiot index" is used to judge one product floating over value or not, it's super meaningful not only considering on manufacture but also throughout human being life as well.
I can illustrate that. In terms of the product of my wages vs. what they were worth to me, particularly when money gets weighed against the worth of my time to live a normal life and health in all its aspects.
I was asked to work split shifts, 6 am to 2 pm and 6 pm to 10 pm. Problem is I'm biologically a night owl. On my normal 12-hour days I wake up at 4:20 am and by the time I get home at 6:30 pm, I eat and then just flop to sleep. That's the only way I can make up for my exhaustion at not working according to my personal circadian rhythm. But when I did split shifts, I got home at 10:30 pm and because of my night owl nature, couldn't fall asleep till about 2 a.m. So I wound up working on a bit over 2 hours sleep a day for multiple days. And then stepping into 12-hour shifts on top of that. Boy was I out of it. For days afterward too, my sleep schedule was crazy and I did not feel clear at all. For me, the product of my labor, that is, cash and higher regard at the company, was not worth the greatly increased difficulty at work and being completely drained afterward even on my days off. I thought splitting my shifts and working extra was worth it. At the cost of my health and clarity and ability to have any pleasure if only to curry favor and/or avoid office politics pain. It wasn't. The money would have had to be far better to not let me fall into an idiot metric with regard to the value of my labor and life. SO MUCH extra effort and negative health effects for relatively little money.
@@MarcIverson Thanks for illustrating many real details in your labor life to us.
@@MarcIverson is that boring person who is constantly waiting for an opportunity to turn the conversation to "ME ME ME".
Even when that means comparing their pathetic life to an historic spacecraft launch.
@@MediaFilter the user you address in your pathetic rant only added a "lived experience" record in the "Work vs Life" discussion that goes on above. It will be interesting to see the outcome of 4d workweek experiments that have started recently in several places. Allegedly longer days, so 10h I suppose. Others (mostly women) want 6.5h days.
It seems like (especially younger) males are easier to to manipulate to sacrifice themselves to a "greater" cause.
@@jonashellsborn7648 Thank you. I was only trying to helpfully validate the poster's thesis before being blindsided by a troll ambush. Even if I'm not interesting, and I have no desire to win over the whole world, I thought it was useful to broaden and validate the discussion regardless. Seems positive to me.
Elon scores high on his own index
I bet you have the highest score
This type of “idiot index” is dumb in itself for anything that’s complex.
It’s a good thing NASA contractors were intelligent enough not to use it during the Apollo program.
What’s the over/under on how long it takes him to burn out the entire human population?
Dude should have just scribbled his name and the date, and handed it over, and said "okay, here. Resigned"
The level of 'fuck this shit' is off the charts here.
Isn’t this like a basic business concept.
You’d think but most businesses that manufacture things source their parts from third party dealers
Bingo - right on the nail.
You’re talking about full vertical integration. That is done by almost no businesses on earth
@@gramma677 no most car companies are not fully intergraded at all. They are buy large amounts of parts from third party manufacturers. Some of their car bodies are even entirely made by third party manufacturers. This is common practice in the industry and has been moving more towards outsourcing since the 70s. It is the same way across most industries because manufacturing at scale is very difficult. If you look at the watch industry Rolex was so highly valued because it was the only company that was able to fully integrate until very recently. Before the last couple years most other watch makers were buying their entire movements from third party dealers. Tesla is becoming fully integrated to the point that it’s starting to refine its own lithium for batteries
@@gramma677 no most large car companies aren’t fully integrated and are out sourcing many parts and process to third party suppliers. It’s been that way and has only increased since the 70s
What happened to the 90 seconds battery swap Elon demonstrated on stage 10 years ago? It wasn't fake because Elon is a genius.
He's not slow to change direction when he realizes he's wrong. Many examples.
@@helmshardover Not slow to change direction when enough other people realize he is wrong.
Elon doesn't care about humanity. He cares about his hobby. That's all.
He's just scared of dying. That's all. As all narcissists are. Putin also has an EXTREME will to live and extreme fear of death.
Ye we are supposed to stop the world working for 1 week, bcs Lucas has lost a baby =(. Forget about 2 billion poor, Forget about diseases, Forget about your futur. Stop please bcs cmon Lucas you know. It's a human being come on. We have to stop working and shit. The entier humanity for LUCAS. We stand for LUCAS. Because we were so dump to find any other creative idea to damage the reputation of the man in a millenium. So sad, man. I am crying now for LUCAS. hoooooly shit. Our precious LUCAS.
elon musk is the one problematic part .
The results disagree with you.
What is the idiot index of starship vs a water deluge system?
Lol good one
I wonder if "paying 44 billion just to give liars a platform" is at the top of that list?
People who think that way, their supported presidential candidate lost hugely!
Ironic that the salaries he pays are pretty low..
It's called abuse of power. Powerful people must resist the temptation to hurt people when it is not necessary. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is the golden rule. We all know this.
People giving businesses far too much credit. Most people accept parts for what they are. Aka Idiots
Too many people think that the Raptor engine is a done deal when the reality is that the jury is still out as to whether the Raptor engine design is up to the task.
The Raptor 2 is an improvement on Raptor 1 with increases in performance and thrust and a reduction in the the amount of parts which reduces the amount of time to manufacture and test. But that is for nought if the engines can't be reliably re-lit and are insufficient in lifting the required payload. Maybe a betting man might be looking for Raptor 5 before all the problems are resolved.
So true. Also if Elon asks about the price of steel for the engine he must be thinking that he can push the price of the engine towards the price of steel, right? So why burn fuel each way trying to bring back that engine (or 36 of them!) to be refurbished, why not just make disposable engines like the rest of the industry...
@@Axel_Andersenbecause rocket engines cost a lot of money. It is stupid to throw away millions dollars parts after 10 minutes of use. Its like throwing away your car when the tank is empty, instead of keeping a little bit of fuel to go to the gas station.
@@niconico3907 You missed the point.
IF Elon thinks that the price of the raw material (a few thousands) is significant compared to the complete engine price (millions according to you) then he must be thinking that he can push the price of the engine down close to the raw material prices. So IF he can do that or believes he can do that, THEN it would make sense for him to use disposable rockets because re-usable rockets are heavier and more expensive than re-usable and will still require refurbishment between flights (unless you buy his lies about one hour turn around).
@@Axel_Andersen Regardless of what you say, SpaceX currently offers the cheapest rate for getting material to orbit. So the engines are cheap, and they can be reset and reused in a more cost effective way than just making disposable rockets. Proof is in the numbers
@@stevenwoerpel1884 So you want to change the subject and not talk about idiotic idiot index and making pumps from steel? Talking about whataboutism....
Ok.
Yes, I agree that SpaceX Falcon 9 seems to offer good value for money.
I'm still a bit skeptical because it is not a public company so we do not know the real number ie are the books on red or black.
However, trying to keep in the subject ie Elon's competence, how much of this apparent success is due to or despite of Mush?
The notion of establishing a community on a barren planet that has no oxygen, no water, and no livable atmosphere is idiotic.
But if you will be able to subscribe to a daily pay per view tv stream to watch the volunteers who will be stuffed into the rocket for two years then I will pay to see them. Because the notion that a small group of strangers forced to live together with no means of escape will be worth the money. Oh, and the trip back is also two years. I’m going to stock up on popcorn to watch this idiotic venture.
Point taken, but I won't watch. It'll be far too sad.
Your boss is a choice. Make the choice that’s right for you, but never give up self-respect.
This sounds good and well until you realise he once spent a million dollars on a car. 😂
Where the best resources should be use ... to be on mars... or problems like poverty... one of the great resource solving a bs ...
Send DC to the mars and there will be peace on earth.
Wonder how his latest CEO raise changed his index score 🤡
CEO's can cost billions. But are made of meat which is like $10/kg. And weigh 100kg. So a CEO can have an index of over a million.
Ie get rid of Elon and replace him with a stack of burgers.
I like the name : “Idiot Index”. But I would take a different index. “Total cost” vs “Payload”.
Just googled, whether Balloons are already used instead of rocket and found :
Launching Rockets from Balloons is About to be a Thing, But We Need a Better Name than “Rockoons”
I am not sure, whether I like the name *Rockoons* . But I like the idea and we should forget about classic Rockets.
There are a couple of other ideas, but Rockoons can be the cheapest.
It has previously been examined in MBAs as Porter's value chain. If there were an 'idiot index' it would be surely based on the efficiency of competing methods adding the same 'value'. The real Idiot index here is Musk, after saying 'I know more about anyone else on earth about manufacturing' not knowing that this 'added value' has been a thing for a long time.