EDIT: IMPORTANT! While the double/triple dreamless echo thing certainly worked before, it DOES NOT anymore! The buff only applies to the echo held by H-Rover now 😔 Since it was brought up quite a few times rn: Yes, you can also use Danjin as a Hybrid for Hypercarry Rover. Both work well.
In your opinion its better danjin or the mc? I mean i really love danjin but for now i dont have the time to build both so i want to focus on one first
@@sebastian9777 if you do the team he say yeah, but i didnt plan to do this team, maybe two separates with each one, thats why i was asking (i have danjin C3)...
Both MCs are the highlight of 1.0 hands down, and they making me real exited to see her other forms. As well as what other echoes will Kuro cook up in the future. (Also fun fact - she can reach a 100%+ crit rate in her form with S6 without any external buffs)
@@beasthaven1571 yes and no, for the Rover, all sequence nodes are given for free at some point (main quests, world completion, etc) so yeah, it might take a while before we have all 6 sequence nodes for Havoc Rover, but we'll get them all eventually, and for free.
Rover by far is the coolest and strongest gacha game MC I've seen, most MC's from other gacha games are either utterly trash and useless in fights and are just strong and powerful in cutscenes to justify them being MC in lore. Rover? Not only he/she is voiced, Rover's combat animation looks so good, I chose the male MC and when he uses his ult when he says "Moment of Resonance" just gives me the feel that Rover is like a premium 5* character from the banner
Don't know which character is on your list next but can't wait for the Calcharo guide, since you're the only one who talks about forte upgrade priority and cycles.
Thank you for another informative video. When I saw there were only 5 weapons in the game and no polearms or hammers, I was a little disappointed. I think they've handled that pretty well by making the animations show a different weapon and the equipped one being just a stat stick. I really hope we see some cool dual wield and hammer users coming to go with the spear and scythe.
Not only is Havoc Rover cool to play, but the cutscene where she transforms into Havoc is easily the coolest moment in the game and made me want to swap immediately
@@sydorovich2532 to be fair, it's only really power creep if the player allows it to be power creep. Power creep does not mean that these characters stop being good or stop being useful. It just means that someone can do basically what they can do or generally what they can do either a little bit better or easier or the combination of both. I seriously can't think of any situations where power creep was so bad that you had to stop using an old character to use a new character.
Great guide as always, once you get to verina's guide eventually will it include a rotation as showed in this video? Because even tho I got her built, I never quite understand when she's supposed to come in and actually support the core of the team
She can work for some things but for pushing the limit (beating enemies higher than your own level in time limit content like holograms and tower) she can’t really do enough DPS to be a main dps
HSR HMC vs WuWa HMC: Finally a worthy opponent, our battle shall be legendary! Edit: You keep mentioning havoc rover as hybrid for main dps Danjin but you never mention Danjin as hybrid for main dps havoc rover, which is imo a better choice considering Danjin's havoc deepen outro. Also you don't mention havoc rover's S2 in the rotation part which I think is worth mentioning considering everyone gets it for free. Also seems weird that rover's S2 doesn't change their dps at all in your spreadsheet; if nothing else it's a huge boost to their burst potential.
Yea that's a fair point, you can use Rover as Main DPS and Danjin as Sub, certainly. Kinda glanced over that, not sure why. I apologize for that! For the S2, we usually don't adjust rotations for sequences, that is why there is no gain. Technically you could fit in another Skill, but given how we have to dodge, the timing on that will be VERY tight and it will likely not be possible. The timing already is extrremely tight tbh and getting all 15 basics in is already somewhat unrealistic.
if you end up doing a mortefi video id be really interested to know his dmg difference in a jiyan team vs being paired with other dps who dont heavy attack much
Nice guide. Is there a reason why you don't use your skill in dark surge phase right at the start of it? it comes off cooldown at c2 resonance chain when you enter demon mode
So guys i have a single question i want to play rover and verina with either danjin or sanhua so what do you recommend and please drop the rotation as well if possible😅
First off, super well made guide, deserved a Sub. Secondly a big question, can't you just get Sequence 2 with her right now? So the Sequence 6 stuff is just theory crafted math for now right? Cause I can not seem to find any options to get more than the 2nd Sequence.
@@iamrivenous Thank you for the Heads Up! Had to make sure. Loving to finally have a viable MC, playing her as a Duo with Danjin, thanks to the guide I was able to optimize some stuff a lot!
I wish I had a Danjin to pull the triple dreamless strat, it sounds amazing! I'll try a double dreamless with Taoqi and Havoc MC with a Sanhua support for my tower of adversity runs, hopefully it goes well LMAO!
while this is mostly the fact due to me hyper investing into Havoc Rover, i can E Q basically anything that isn't a boss and bosses die in one incomplete rotation (i only get to ult against the Crownless) also once you get S2 you can just skip the whole start of your rotation since your E cooldown resets once you enter the empowered state
How about the Sanhua/Encore/Verina team setup? It should outperform this build.. If future gives new aero 'resonance' character that would be different story to amplify with Rover..
Testing the Dreamless swap. Rivenous mentions that Rover ultimate can activate dreamless across entire party. But can anyone tell me why this is not the case when I test it? The Dreamless damage still remained the same for the 2nd member regardless if Rover ulted or not
Y'alll! I need help omg. I have Havoc MC, Verina, and Jianxin in a team but seeing it's not optional who can I replace Jin with? I have Sanhua (R1), Baizhi (R2), YangYang (R1), Encore, Yanwu (R3), Danjin (R2), Mortefi (R2), Aalto, Chixia (R3) :3
I’m still not sure what 2ed and 3ed dps I want to build 😢 I have Jiyan with his sword and haven’t used my selector or 80pull garanteed std banner yet. What would you suggest? Gonna go for the next banner char as well.
Any chance of doing Verina soon? I really need a rotation for her because I'm struggling to fill her concerto energy quickly. Everything about her feels so slow
Idk if 100-120% cdmg is ideal since its actually just 20% since it starts at 0. In this game crit is base 100 so if you had 90% cdmg you would do less dmg if you crit
@@iamrivenousOh i see what you mean. I think it can be a bit confusing for people when they look at this and see ”i should have 60/120 for my crit ratio” and they end up doing 20% more dmg when they do crit. Especially for former genshin/hsr players (idk about other games)
whats the consideration for a heavy attack focused rotation with mortefi support instead of sanhua? since she has the special heavy atk in the dark urge state? Trying to keep Sanhua for my Encore team for example so I can use Mortefi with Rover. Is the heavy attack just that much worse than the basic atk rotation?
Sanhua for faster rotations and a lot of burst in a short time. With Danjin it’s like 2 dps characters, which can be fun. Depends what you like, both are good tho.
Not much of a complaint for the game but i was a little disappointed we got another element of the MC so quickly. I pretty much just got used to how Spectro MC played and I find them really fun and was enjoying building them. But now I feel like its a little redundant to build Spectro MC now that I have Havoc MC. I'll probably get around to it, but I wanna play with my Spectro boi a little while longer.
If you need main dps then havoc rover is your best choice. Spectro rover kit is more like a support or sub dps for spectro team Spec rover outro skill stop enemy for 3 sec and if you unlock their sequence 6 they can reduce oponent spectro res
@@gegerkamfret Yeah i already have s1 Calcharo and fianlly got Jiyan so im not really looking for a main dps. I actually have been using Spectro MC as a sub-dps so far so I guess I'll stick to that playstyle for now. Thanks both :)
I hope it stays this way, i remember when the fire mc in honkai star rail was said to be one of the best charactzrs in the game, while after only about 2- 3 months later he was considered very mid.
EDIT: IMPORTANT! While the double/triple dreamless echo thing certainly worked before, it DOES NOT anymore! The buff only applies to the echo held by H-Rover now 😔
Since it was brought up quite a few times rn: Yes, you can also use Danjin as a Hybrid for Hypercarry Rover. Both work well.
In your opinion its better danjin or the mc? I mean i really love danjin but for now i dont have the time to build both so i want to focus on one first
My question is, who is a better sub dps? Havoc mc or danjin?
Also, hybrid danjin build?
@@Bao598Mc is gonna stay on field for most of the time so build them first
@@sebastian9777 if you do the team he say yeah, but i didnt plan to do this team, maybe two separates with each one, thats why i was asking (i have danjin C3)...
Both MCs are the highlight of 1.0 hands down, and they making me real exited to see her other forms.
As well as what other echoes will Kuro cook up in the future.
(Also fun fact - she can reach a 100%+ crit rate in her form with S6 without any external buffs)
Wait how
It's in her kit@@amari7782
Isn’t it hard to reach s6 you need 6 dupes right ;-; should I even be farming for YinLin!?
@@beasthaven1571 yes and no,
for the Rover, all sequence nodes are given for free at some point (main quests, world completion, etc)
so yeah, it might take a while before we have all 6 sequence nodes for Havoc Rover, but we'll get them all eventually, and for free.
THATS ABSOLUTELY INSANE 😱
Rover by far is the coolest and strongest gacha game MC I've seen, most MC's from other gacha games are either utterly trash and useless in fights and are just strong and powerful in cutscenes to justify them being MC in lore.
Rover? Not only he/she is voiced, Rover's combat animation looks so good, I chose the male MC and when he uses his ult when he says "Moment of Resonance" just gives me the feel that Rover is like a premium 5* character from the banner
I was shocked when i heard rover speaking 😂
@@sagansagan5395 I was surprised too, and she has such a pleasant voice (EN VA)!
@@elentari15 in japanese her voice suits her very good too!
@@sagansagan5395 Suits it even better. I'm playing with the audio in japanese, way better.
The MC in WuWa is god tier. Once havoc is unlocked with the right echos and you have a killing machine in your hands.
🫠 future characters will be more powerful
@@exploreevery Maybe but unless they nerf the MC, it's a good character to work with.
I'm still running spectro rover because I prefer that design on top of her playstyle, and even that's a killing machine.
@@exploreeveryI don't care Havoc Rover looks badass
A much needed guide for the most broken MC of a gacha game. Thank you!
While i think Rover is goated Enterprise from Azur lane is still the most broken gacha mc so far
they turned themselves into an angel, and i shit you not arbiter, it was the funniest shit I've ever seen
They actually made the Rover's kit Lore accurate unlike most gacha's do
I was highly anticipating this video. Thanks for the great guide!
As an avid Danjin enjoyer, this makes me happy.
Don't know which character is on your list next but can't wait for the Calcharo guide, since you're the only one who talks about forte upgrade priority and cycles.
Thank you for another informative video. When I saw there were only 5 weapons in the game and no polearms or hammers, I was a little disappointed. I think they've handled that pretty well by making the animations show a different weapon and the equipped one being just a stat stick. I really hope we see some cool dual wield and hammer users coming to go with the spear and scythe.
Danjin dual wields swords for a lot of her attacks.
Love your content man, looking forward to more.
Not only is Havoc Rover cool to play, but the cutscene where she transforms into Havoc is easily the coolest moment in the game and made me want to swap immediately
Amazing video! Thank you
Much needed guide. Thanks bro.
Love your videos man keep feeding us 🙏🏻🙏🏻
fantastic guide. thank you.
Good video! Will you upload Danjin guide? Theres plenty of guides but yours has such good quality
Thank you for amazing guide
Good video. Take some rest ❤. Waiting for Calcharo next.
I love how Rover is actually good. Unlike a cretain game's MC that could in fact never.
well Dendro traveler is usable, but hydro, i do agree, is utter garbage
@@francenkovcan5211Dendro Traveller got powercrept in 2 patches with the Archon release.
@@sydorovich2532 I mean you comparing Dendro Lumine being powercrept by Nahida is like comparing Amber to Father. Or a slice of bread to a pizza.
@@sydorovich2532 to be fair, it's only really power creep if the player allows it to be power creep.
Power creep does not mean that these characters stop being good or stop being useful. It just means that someone can do basically what they can do or generally what they can do either a little bit better or easier or the combination of both.
I seriously can't think of any situations where power creep was so bad that you had to stop using an old character to use a new character.
@@sydorovich2532collei was basically doing the same job as them but with less restrictions
Having a ton of fun with HMC. Can't believe they made an mc this good
I LOVE THE ROVER'S HAVOC ULTIMATE CUTSCENE SO MUCH 😍😍😭
thank you for an easy to follow guide
Good timing, I just unlocked Havock Rover
Thanks my man 🫡
Great guide as always, once you get to verina's guide eventually will it include a rotation as showed in this video? Because even tho I got her built, I never quite understand when she's supposed to come in and actually support the core of the team
Hoping for a Jianxin guide from ya soon king. Want your take on her as a main dps. Your guides are the best!
She can work for some things but for pushing the limit (beating enemies higher than your own level in time limit content like holograms and tower) she can’t really do enough DPS to be a main dps
HSR HMC vs WuWa HMC: Finally a worthy opponent, our battle shall be legendary!
Edit: You keep mentioning havoc rover as hybrid for main dps Danjin but you never mention Danjin as hybrid for main dps havoc rover, which is imo a better choice considering Danjin's havoc deepen outro. Also you don't mention havoc rover's S2 in the rotation part which I think is worth mentioning considering everyone gets it for free. Also seems weird that rover's S2 doesn't change their dps at all in your spreadsheet; if nothing else it's a huge boost to their burst potential.
Yea that's a fair point, you can use Rover as Main DPS and Danjin as Sub, certainly. Kinda glanced over that, not sure why. I apologize for that!
For the S2, we usually don't adjust rotations for sequences, that is why there is no gain. Technically you could fit in another Skill, but given how we have to dodge, the timing on that will be VERY tight and it will likely not be possible. The timing already is extrremely tight tbh and getting all 15 basics in is already somewhat unrealistic.
if you end up doing a mortefi video id be really interested to know his dmg difference in a jiyan team vs being paired with other dps who dont heavy attack much
Danjin and Rover duo is just too good 🔥
YES OUR QUEEN
For me, i have been building my other characters, but i REALLY like how it is to main rover, wont stop me from simping for Yinlin though 0.0
Havoc MC is undeniably strong. Can't wait for that S6.
nice bro.
can you do a mortefi guide?
dont know what is better on him, fusion dmg or regen on cost 3 and for the gun atk% or er
I just do him in moonlit atm, with double ER on 3cost, ill get him the 5* pistol on ar45 cause that weapon gives atk % on next character
imo most direct buffers like him and sanhua are betetr for a dps moonlit
Im still learning about the Echoes and these things like 4 cost, 3 cost and such. ¿Could u say some example Echoes that can be used with Rover?
A true MC
Meanwhile me still playing Spectre Rover because I prefer it's consistency
God the end lag on havoc rover basic atk is awful
it only happen on male rover
@@OktavianusCelestialine does it really? Damn, hope they change it
Nice guide. Is there a reason why you don't use your skill in dark surge phase right at the start of it? it comes off cooldown at c2 resonance chain when you enter demon mode
So guys i have a single question i want to play rover and verina with either danjin or sanhua so what do you recommend and please drop the rotation as well if possible😅
First off, super well made guide, deserved a Sub.
Secondly a big question, can't you just get Sequence 2 with her right now? So the Sequence 6 stuff is just theory crafted math for now right? Cause I can not seem to find any options to get more than the 2nd Sequence.
that's correct
@@iamrivenous Thank you for the Heads Up! Had to make sure. Loving to finally have a viable MC, playing her as a Duo with Danjin, thanks to the guide I was able to optimize some stuff a lot!
Hey man! 1 Quick question, are Epic cost 3 echos worth to use for the elemental DMG or double 4 cost and 111 atk% Is Better with leggendary?
Seriously rover is such a perfect mc strong enough that can keep up with meta's and cool and hot character design rover got it all
MC as a viable DPS, what a concept
So many good units to build, too little resources.
I wish I had a Danjin to pull the triple dreamless strat, it sounds amazing! I'll try a double dreamless with Taoqi and Havoc MC with a Sanhua support for my tower of adversity runs, hopefully it goes well LMAO!
What happened? XD
@@KUROI6969bad luck or their skipping jiyan entirely
I think it's bad luck, for me as well, got Danjin, but don't have Taoqi. 😅
@@-Maruku- to be fair she’s not on rate up so that makes sense
@@-Maruku-I want Taoqi so bad too 😭
while this is mostly the fact due to me hyper investing into Havoc Rover, i can E Q basically anything that isn't a boss and bosses die in one incomplete rotation (i only get to ult against the Crownless)
also once you get S2 you can just skip the whole start of your rotation since your E cooldown resets once you enter the empowered state
What is S2?
Basically WuWa equivalent of constellations
@@beasthaven1571 Sequence Node 2
My Rover is using 4-4-1-1-1 build, full Havoc set and a 4star weapon and still doing 25k. should I change my build to 4-3-3-1-1 after getting emerald?
Kuro really gave us a character so broken in the beginning. With Havoc and Specter, many crafts can be used on Rover.
double 4 cost with cd with emerald and crit rate substats go hard
It may be a dumb question but i have to ask, where do i get his 2nd resonance?
Can you get Umbral with heavy attacks too? or just Left click and resonance>?
6:28 The weap passives are mixed up with different ones.
How about the Sanhua/Encore/Verina team setup? It should outperform this build.. If future gives new aero 'resonance' character that would be different story to amplify with Rover..
When the Main Character is lore accurate in game.
Does anyone how what is need to revive unconscious charters???? Please help
Testing the Dreamless swap. Rivenous mentions that Rover ultimate can activate dreamless across entire party. But can anyone tell me why this is not the case when I test it? The Dreamless damage still remained the same for the 2nd member regardless if Rover ulted or not
I'll have to retest that I am getting multiple reports bow of it not working anymore ;__;
Added that to the pinned comment ... worked 100% while I made the guide. feelsBadMan, what a lovely timing. Thanks for the heads-up!
@@iamrivenous Awesome! thanks for confirming, great guide and all the best!
Y'alll! I need help omg. I have Havoc MC, Verina, and Jianxin in a team but seeing it's not optional who can I replace Jin with? I have Sanhua (R1), Baizhi (R2), YangYang (R1), Encore, Yanwu (R3), Danjin (R2), Mortefi (R2), Aalto, Chixia (R3) :3
Hope verina guide soon🙏
MC in e7 kinda nice
is it worth to draw in standard wep banner using astrite? wanted to get mc 5* wepp
I've got a question, if both Danjin and Havoc Rover are played perfectly which one does more dmg S6?
I’m still not sure what 2ed and 3ed dps I want to build 😢 I have Jiyan with his sword and haven’t used my selector or 80pull garanteed std banner yet. What would you suggest? Gonna go for the next banner char as well.
Personally getting varina just to have a buffer would be a big choice and then u can go for whoever on the 80 pull
@@amari7782 oh I got her from the initial banner so I got her :>
@@nolifeSnorlax oh ok then honestly you could probably go for calcharo or encor for that last slot and then selector for someone else
how about echo 4 4 1 1 1 crirate+cridmg compare to 4 3 3 1 1 crirate+havoc atk which is better?
Any chance of doing Verina soon? I really need a rotation for her because I'm struggling to fill her concerto energy quickly. Everything about her feels so slow
You can check the verina sheet, it's in the discord
Oh snap! I didn't realize there was a Discord, thanks!
Cant u use daijing to enhance rover with the 23%havoc dmg from daijing outro? Isn't that like a good team?
You can. Honestly, whether u play danjin as hybrid or rover, both are fine
I really hope Havoc Rover can hold their S Tier and no get powercrept
HI can i ask how much of a difference is sanhua and mortefi buff?
Idk if 100-120% cdmg is ideal since its actually just 20% since it starts at 0.
In this game crit is base 100 so if you had 90% cdmg you would do less dmg if you crit
I deducted all base stats. you also start at 100% ER, so I recommend -80% there? lol
@@iamrivenousOh i see what you mean. I think it can be a bit confusing for people when they look at this and see ”i should have 60/120 for my crit ratio” and they end up doing 20% more dmg when they do crit. Especially for former genshin/hsr players (idk about other games)
Can i ask who is more worth it to be hypercarry havoc mc or danjin S3 sir?
Kinda depends on your skill with battle mechanics lol. Cuz Danjin will get one shot if you don’t do perfect dodges. But MC is less punishing
idk, i would say Iroha From Magireco is really good for a mc, literally can revive a character during combat.....
how much crit rate is needed actually right now i have 46/240 ratio if need more crit than how much
danjin guide when 🙏
After some years we probably laugh like the diluc incident
Wuwa god
Is 4-3-3-1-1 echo better than 4-4-1-1-1 or 4-4-3-1? Dreamless + Crownless for double crit main stat?
R u gonna do jianxin and calcharo guide ?
Are we able to S6 both spectro and havoc? Or am I screwed for using up 3 of the sequence thing on spectro?
They’re different
A Danjin guide please!!
whats the consideration for a heavy attack focused rotation with mortefi support instead of sanhua? since she has the special heavy atk in the dark urge state? Trying to keep Sanhua for my Encore team for example so I can use Mortefi with Rover. Is the heavy attack just that much worse than the basic atk rotation?
Heavy Attack Rotation for H-Rover is not that good
@@iamrivenous sadge…too many teams are feasting for Sanhua 😭
@@illpineconeSanhua best girl.
@@iamrivenous The basic sequence after heavy atk(in dark surge state) is considered heavy atks tho? It should still be rlly good no
Sanhua or danjin for hyper havoc rover team?
Chixia guide pleasee, shes all i have
Im already going crazy farming 1 havoc damage bonus now i need 2? 😭
can someone please explain how to get the sequence nodes please. I only see a few from collecting sonance caskets
You can only get s2 atm on this build iirc
Please make danjin guide!
Who’s a good sub dps instead of sanhua and danjin
is mortefi good to pair with havoc rover?
Havoc Rover ftw
'Because the UA-cam algoritm wants me to tell you to do that' Thanks for your honesty, I will do just that. Thanks for your video!
Calcharo guide when?
It's a pity leveling up resources don't count towards both paths
Oooone wiiinged rooover
Is Calcharo's BA during his ult counted as BA damage or Ult damage?
Calcharo guide please
i got my rover doing 20k ults is that good?
which team is more effective and how big is the difference? Rover/danjin/verina or Rover/Sanhua/Verina?
Not too much, Sanhua is pretty strong.
Sanhua for faster rotations and a lot of burst in a short time. With Danjin it’s like 2 dps characters, which can be fun. Depends what you like, both are good tho.
Not much of a complaint for the game but i was a little disappointed we got another element of the MC so quickly. I pretty much just got used to how Spectro MC played and I find them really fun and was enjoying building them. But now I feel like its a little redundant to build Spectro MC now that I have Havoc MC. I'll probably get around to it, but I wanna play with my Spectro boi a little while longer.
Spectro MC is a mix of Atk and utility so unless you REALLY need the dps you can stay on spectro rover
If you need main dps then havoc rover is your best choice.
Spectro rover kit is more like a support or sub dps for spectro team
Spec rover outro skill stop enemy for 3 sec and if you unlock their sequence 6 they can reduce oponent spectro res
@@gegerkamfret Yeah i already have s1 Calcharo and fianlly got Jiyan so im not really looking for a main dps. I actually have been using Spectro MC as a sub-dps so far so I guess I'll stick to that playstyle for now. Thanks both :)
I hope it stays this way, i remember when the fire mc in honkai star rail was said to be one of the best charactzrs in the game, while after only about 2- 3 months later he was considered very mid.
Can I use Mortefi instead of Sanhua
Guys which one is better?
Havoc rover or encore?