I own the sherman and ride it everyday, I ride very aggressive and long distances but there hasn't been a single time I fully drained the battery even after riding 88km it still reads 83volts. I might consider next batch of the s20
I'm waiting for my Sherman max. The range of the S20 isn't enough for me, I need to be able to do at least 50 km at top speed without having to charge...
I'm also waiting on the sherman max since I paid my deposit in September 😢. But the boat that the euc is in finally docked in LA so it won't be too long
The S20 seems very polarizing. People either love it or hate it. There are plenty of biased people out there who hate Kingsong (*cough* wrongway *cough*), or Gotway, or whatever, but Hsiang doesn't strike me as one of them. Personally, I think it looks sick, has plenty of range and speed for me, and I can't wait to get mine.
I’m not sure that Adam hates KS, since he’s published positive reviews of other KS wheels. He had mixed things to say about the S20, though I would agree largely negative. I found it interesting that Hsiang wasn’t bothered by the tire design or the pedal dipping on the S20. After seeing some of the other videos I would have been scared to push it that fast in live traffic!
Adam WrongWay doesn't hate Kingsong, but his review does feel rushed. I met him in Amsterdam last year. I asked him which wheel he wanted to review. And he said S20. The power of the S20, is that it is highly configurable. WrongWay discovered this also. The suspension can be moved, the footplates can be moved up/down front/back. Flat sides for different pads etc. We still have only seen the preproduction S20, which is build much cheaper than a proper production model.
I think Adam's concern is legit but at the same time there weren't anything I'd consider "really bad" which would be safety problems like cutout or difficult to fix things like a rusty bearing. A broken plastic handle is just about the easiest thing to fix actually
That’s good to know. It looks like a lot of fun to ride, and having a performance wheel with suspension is a game changer for riding on city streets, since you can keep up with traffic without dying to potholes.
I don't think Adam is a Kingsong hater, maybe if you said a Gotway hater, some might consider it, at least for me, because of a statement he made in one video, wherein he said that he's going to delete some of his Gotway videos he made. I never really checked if he did delete some videos though. Anyways, I think it was a fair review he made. Also, even though I don't agree with Haisang's verdict on this particular video, I also think it's fair. When reviewing these wheels, there will always be some amount of subjectivity, and the difference of great reviews, such as this one, is when the recviewer doesn't allow himself to be blinded with his/her own subjective view of the wheel.
Great job again, Hsiang! I've ordered KS S20 2 months ago. That comparison just made my choice more clear😉 Hope to ride on NY streets someday on my KS S20 too 😎
Once again you’ve brought up some great points bro. I appreciate your point of view. I do believe some of the S20 shortcomings will be addressed and I still believe this will be an amazing wheel for most people. I don’t believe it 100% lived up to all the crazy hype but I do believe they have done something fantastic with this build. Of course my favorite part was that when riding it I felt like it could handle us big guys
Great video and content as always! But I disagree with this comparison. There's no such thing as an all around "better" wheel, it depends on what you're looking for. If you ride off road or prioritize comfort over range in your riding then the S20 is a better choice, hands down. But if you're like some of us who use their wheel as a primary mode of transportation, to ride all day running errands or travel long distances when needed, all while keeping up with 30-45 mph traffic... the S20 doesn't even compare to the Sherman. The S20 can hit 43mph but only for short distances. After that it seems you start getting seriously throttled back and the wheel starts beeping at anything above 30mph, which makes keeping up with traffic difficult and downright dangerous. I'm no KS hater, I have an S20 on preorder for now, but would never think of replacing my Sherman with one, that's just silly. The S20 is a fun, comfortable ride and an awesome off-road machine that can do high performance in short bursts. But its still a toy in terms of its short range, short-lived performance, & poor durability. The VS is a leap closer to being a legitimate vehicle, with long range, sustained high performance, and a much more robust build, at the cost of suspension.
I think I did say that if you need long range wheel the Sherman comes out ahead but this is mostly a comparison for short range performance. I mostly use the Sherman as a comparison here because it is the gold standard when it comes to speed.
Yes, it is crazy to put the S20 over the Sherman :) EDIT: Just to be clear I’m answering Hsiang’s question! There are cases where the S20 would be better….just not the majority imho :)
Hard to read you. You have had so many wheels that you loved. Then you went to the S18 and loved it for a month and then to the V11. I guess as an influencer you have no choice.
@@freeforester1717 Whats good of a pretty wheel if it shed pieces from the front and back when crashes. S20 is build around suspension but little crashes protection. Enthusiast are willing to pay for replacement parts but not main stream riders. People would only like to upgrade parts to make it better not because its broken..
Nope....I owned Sherman myself,....drag race up to 87 kph myself.....then I tried S20 demo wheel, I thought I would have needed more time for adjustment, but i just went hard at first time ....this wheel is amazing, smooth and fast....but I would definitely go for S20 for daily commute and 40 mph cruiser wheel.... Suspension and good 45mph speed wheel is the way to go!
Me too but ended up choosing the Max. And I've already got a regular Sherman and still chose the Max. Mostly because of what you said. Maintenance issues.
Interesting! I was leaning away from the S20. Your review puts it back in contention for me. I want suspension in my next wheel (due to potholes, not so much for off roading), so the Sherman is not on my list.
@@OWGAC You know that what you just typed is silly, right? I was not talking an “ally Cat” race. I have seen MANY videos, here and on Instagram (for all of the public to see) where racing EV’s is norm and caused ZERO headaches. You Know Better. Let’s make this race happen. Let’s really put your theory to the test. Side by side.
Im current in possession of a S20 and a MP, and the MP just drives away from the S20, i have a video on my channel (S20 demo day) and the S20 was at top speed and the MP not even beeping passes it with ease, the S20 is nice, shame it rides like a Kingsong, missed opportunity to have custom pedal tuning
Durability? Only if you stay on the streets. I wanted to buy a Sherman before but I canceled my order just in time after I saw 5 of them died at overheat hill because of the mud. Mud twigs and small pebbles is it’s Kryptonite. I saw 2 of them died on a piece of twig. I won’t trust it trail riding alone in a forest, you won’t be able to carry it out if it dies. It’s not an off-road wheel as they wanted you to think because it comes with an off-road tire. I just wanted something that can do anything including turning heads and for that reason the S20 wins.
@@oryxone-c3o I agree but I will not be buying a non suspension wheel again after I had a bad accident after hitting a pothole and definitely not a Sherman it has very little clearance on the upper part of the wheel, anything could jam it. I have seen it to many times don’t try to push it or dolly it to take out whatever is jamming it. It will overheat very fast and fry your motherboard. Range would not be an issue for me on the S20 because I’m only 130 lbs. I can do almost 60 miles on my S18. I can probably do more than 90 miles on the S20 easily and that’s more than enough for me.
@@MV-ld4wl I find hard to believe such carnage on Shermans... The Sherman goes through twigs like a shark would go through sardines... Mine munches and crushes them to splinters and go through pebbles without further problem despite the low clearance between the tire and the very machine. I've done some off-road myself so I can tell... You would only find trouble attacking a steep hill on a Sherman at a low speed. Nevertheless I think the Sherman wasn't specifically designed for that but it is a EUC that will take you almost anywhere when the tarmac is gone. That is one thing very different from ridiing it on a muddy hell. I insist it wasn't designed for that and an s20 will always do better.The risk of frying the motherboard is always there, all you have to do is to avoid that specific situation. The Sherman was designed for a sustained high speed not for hardcore climbing or off-road although it can deal with this terrains pretty, pretty good. But it is not for that,hence the low clearance of the pedals. Otherwise it's a perfect machine for just about anything you can throw at it. The s20 seems to be a very attractive product too but it's certainly a different approach, and taking account that the s20 wheel has been designed for a real punishment that we still don't know if it can properly without being destroyed... I don't think there is a better wheel so far, these two cover two different spectrums. Both combined are probably the dream team. Although suspension is the real lack of the Sherman I would never trade mine just for that. The perfect wheel would be a Sherman with some little suspension and better clearance in both aspects , tire and pedals. Let's dream a little longer... But after all it is like dreaming of a Ferrari you could savagely offroad with.😍
"Like and subscribe and we will be BFF Forever" that's "Best Friends Forever Forever" lol. Keep up the good work! As future S20 owner (I pre ordered) and first time rider it's nice to see some positive videos. There are more then enough critics of ALL wheels that as a new rider shopping for a wheel you don't want to buy ANYTHING based on all the bad press most EUC channels give! Don't get me wrong all the things wrong with each EUC are necessary and needed. However, there also seems to be an "overfixation" on all the flaws of every wheel and it is a huge part of EUC culture. At least until that unicorn of a wheel appears one day. Thanks again for the positive vids!
Hi Shawn, question on your opinion of the S20. put aside the issues that the pre-prod units have seen and your fire. What is you opinion (of the future) of the S22 compared to the Sherman Max? I would like to hear your opinion on this.
Any recommendations for a beginner euc? Watched the video from back in feb 2021 but not sure if anything has changed with batteries/bms in the new year.
Hey mate, I'm new to the EUC and love your content but you gotta normalize the audio levels just so the music don't overpower your voice. S20 looks like a beast in a smaller package too.
For all that money the Veteran Sherman doesn't even come with the impressive King Song Inferno mode shown in your recent S20 video. Seems like a big oversight.
I put down $100 deposit recently so, I probably won't see delivery if this wheel until Fall maybe? But, it would be my FIRST wheel which goes against what all the experts say. I just don't want to pay an extra 2k or for second wheel. I think if I take it really slow in open grassy area I can learn on this wheel?
Monster Pro has a higher top speed but in a normal ride what matters more is how quickly you can get up to that speed and due to its lower torque the monster pro isn't good for that.
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The missing data points for S20 are cutoff max speed and the survivability of S20's suspension end in a high speed crash. You should add durability score for future wheels, since EUC are known to be a crash magnet. It is known, riders' experiences based on how many bones he broke not how many wheels he has. It is known! Perhaps, range score as well, after all, curious people always ask for top speed and range for ever electric mobility!
I wish these videos were not about speed all the time. IMO it defeats the purpose. an EUC is meant to be a combination of small, light, compact, and agile with acceptable range, speed, and terrain capabilities. I would not want to load an extra 50lb item in my plane, use up extra space on a sail boat, or wheel something the size of a moped into the grocery store. Not long and some legislator will notice this and want to ban or restrict them. Still like the vid and like the speed, I just pointed out something to be wary of.
Nice work @Hsiang ! But i see that you still wear your ski helmet man, don't use that on roads , if you crash this chin guard will not protect you but break in pieces and damage even more your chin and mouth. Not my words, professionnals of ski protections told me so. greetings from France
As I'm just at the beginning of the video, I'm hoping that you compared the GPS-corrected speeds! Your MC/scooter street tire on the Sherman will typically need -8% correction for speed and distance (or even more, that one looks pretty low profile) S20 stock: don't know yet. Okay, will watch now 😀 Edit: no GPS correction. The real speed of the Sherman was likely lower than S20 in this comparison since it needs between -8 and -10 speed correction with the tire used.
I actually did record GPS data next to the euc world wheel data, but I didn't include it cuz it sort of bock up more of the screen. But I think experience riders can prob figure in the known offset base on the wheel data
@@OWGAC yes if you recorded a tour, then by averaging a bunch of values from a section of fairly constant speed you can get a good estimate of the correction needed. On Sherman I needed -8% with a Michelin City Pro 80/90-14, and 6% on the CST-C6004 street tire now (same as stock knobby) Curious to hear if you find that S20 needs correction or none like some said!
Check out the tracked ride footage from my original S20 review, it has both the EUC world wheel speed and a gps speed at the same time so you can compare
@@Curtish8892H I live in a small town in NorCal and the roads here are atrocious. I've never gone faster than 38mph on my Sherman because even that felt unsafe with all of the cracks and dips around here.
Fantastic work as always, Hsiang! Even though I notice you are running the Sherman this time with a street tire, do you have any quick thoughts comparing the S20 knobby tire against the Sherman’s knobby Kenda? In particular, I’ve heard that turning/carving can be a bit trickier on the S20 due to its more dramatic tread roll off on the sides. Thanks as always for sharing your knowledge and making our EUC community even better!
Keep in mind that I ride a monster v3 with similar sqarish tire profile and the z10 which is a wheel that according to some is notoriously difficult to turn, but to me I had zero issues with turning, even at higher speed. Now I don't do 30mph turns since in an urban setting you slow down just to be safe so not sure how it would do on a racetrack
@@OWGAC Many people put the tire on an EUC backwards... on motorcycles, the most power put down is in the forward direction and these are alot faster than EUCs. EUCs put the most effort into the tire under hard braking... going forward, EUCs are not hard on tires. Generally, the direction of a tire is due to the overlap of the layers in the carcass... EUCs are so slow (for a tire) so how the overlap is in our tires will never be a worry
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Awesome! The s20 is so fast, is that really safe tho? Very good video, very thorough, really liked this review. And yes I would most definitely pick the Kinsgong S20, hands down…
umm I think the biggest question mark over the S20 now is the Begode Master. We know the flaws in the S20 now, will KS address them in the first batch I wonder; well some of them for sure but......!
I'm waiting to see what flaws the Master has. Everybody is getting butthurt about a lot of minor issues found on the S20 demo wheels and acting like the Master is going to be flawless. Master will have only 1 thing going for it...a short but exhilarating rocket ride, then recharge. But what flaws will it have? What safety features will it have? Litech support is a good start, but many of the standard Gotway safety and QC concerns are still likely going to be present in the Master.
s20 and Master specs are awfully similar. I think the huge difference is how much they are allowed to draw from the battery. The more you let through, the higher the stress is on the battery. KS might be trying to make a longer lasting safer product. That's my theory anyways.
Since you didn't address it, I presume the Eagle wasn't calibrated to EUC World properly and not that it doesn't experience voltage sag at all and remains at 100% for a long while. 😋
@@BabbittdaWabbitt Actually it's the hybrid nature of the S20 motor. It gives torque AND speed, but the trade off is you have to build up to the torque for a couple seconds and most riders go hard off the line. Hence, a grinding sound.
I did intentionally put a sensitive mic on the gopro and did some post to enhance the noise cuz I liked the way it sound! But it's true that the Sherman is way quieter by comparison
that guy right there was about to get hit if he doesnt stop and keeps moving faster forward 0:30 some ppl take the i have priority on pedestrians crossings way too seriously but if you hit him you would be 200% at fault thats why we EUC riders gotta be 400% more carefull with evrything
Theoretically yes, but keep in mind that for 90% of traffic injuries or death here in NYC the person driving isn’t even charged. pedestrian for the most part do not expect that car stop for them especially on larger roads
Tried both the s22 and t4. T4 wins on acceleration. S22 wins on top speed. Suspension wise t4 is quieter but ride quality is about the same for both. My money is going to the t4 as soon as they sort out stator issues. I park my wheels in my basement and lighter is better for stairs.
Wonderful review! Your urban riding skills are Ducati I just have a few observations on the emphasis of: “‘“ Outside of extremely limited circumstances in the Sherman’s time period to offer the pinochle of cruise… that is because you don’t have the confidence to stomp on the Sherman’s software? Or Hardware? It’s a interesting question perhaps I wonder if you don’t trust yourself with the Sherman? Does the Sherman give a vibe or could there be a tire choice that sufficiently mitigates the stability questions within surface changes Trust… hmmm So the s20 iteration of technology and suspension own or continue to earn your Trust? Reliability was definitely covered in sugar with the high performance clips That’s a bitter ploy to divert interest on the reliability department ~ the suspension Sherman will logically harness the reliability of the Sherman having learned from the Sherman Max platform Perhaps add some suspension and huge power to the suspension Sherman and the Sherman original is never beaten for original cruiser feel I would love to ask anyone if they are thinking this is a rematch when it’s the suspension Sherman vs. S22/3
What type of helmet are you wearing and what type of shirt do you have on please. It looks like it is protecting you if you crash from road rash. ❤️❤️🔥🔥❤️❤️🔥🔥
The Sherman is more predictable I'd say, the s20 pedal dips when pushed hard but bounces back so it's trickier to take off but with practice I think you can squeeze the same take off as the sherman
Is your S20 suspension functional Hsiang ? In the shots from the back at 6:43 and onwards, it looks like there's no movement whatsoever despite the potholes all over the street.
@@mcfly_ev yes maybe with maximum compression and rebound dampening so it hardly moves. Or maybe there's still perceivable suspension travel, just hard to see on camera.
I have it set relatively stiff but as mentioned it is not a bouncy wheel, it'll only compress when you hit a large dip and you won't see it move as much as the s18. The setup is for performance and not comfort, think sports suspension on a bmw
@@OWGAC thanks, makes sense. I guess that even with this harder setup, you found it provides the increase in grip you've been seeking with suspension then.
I love your clothes/ gear, you are looking very svelte! I want to get some like that, I have an antique (53year old) stout 5'2" 140 pound female frame to protect, just started learning EUC but I can already mount it w/o holding on to anything! Can only ride very short distances ( like 8 houses down my sidewalk). Thanks for your great videos! EUC love from Kenosha, WI!!
Let me put out the disclaimer that I'm not a VS rider nor owner so I got no skin in this fight. That said, it would seem that there's a bias to the strengths of S20 over the VS. I certainly argue if one says the S20 is a better value & perhaps (maybe possibly conceivably) a better wheel for the average rider. The real competition is the Master vs S20 IMO
There isn't a real competition. It's just most people know the Sherman as a performance wheel. So the Sherman should be considered a reference point for comparing. That is the reason the Sherman is chosen for this video. Nobody knows the Master.
I own the sherman and ride it everyday, I ride very aggressive and long distances but there hasn't been a single time I fully drained the battery even after riding 88km it still reads 83volts. I might consider next batch of the s20
Great video! I especially like the music you chose. It helps capture the energy of riding one of these at 40+ mph in the street
I'm waiting for my Sherman max. The range of the S20 isn't enough for me, I need to be able to do at least 50 km at top speed without having to charge...
I'm also waiting on the sherman max since I paid my deposit in September 😢. But the boat that the euc is in finally docked in LA so it won't be too long
@@SunsetEuc should be shipping out to you last week of March if you ordered from ewheels.
@@SunsetEuc same bro that bumb ass APP LÈ HARVE ship😭
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finally someone reviewing whats actually important and not just bashing small details that will get fixed anyway.
Great job, really great comparison. Can’t wait to get my s20, got on line first week. Thanks for your work!!!
The S20 seems very polarizing. People either love it or hate it. There are plenty of biased people out there who hate Kingsong (*cough* wrongway *cough*), or Gotway, or whatever, but Hsiang doesn't strike me as one of them. Personally, I think it looks sick, has plenty of range and speed for me, and I can't wait to get mine.
I’m not sure that Adam hates KS, since he’s published positive reviews of other KS wheels. He had mixed things to say about the S20, though I would agree largely negative. I found it interesting that Hsiang wasn’t bothered by the tire design or the pedal dipping on the S20. After seeing some of the other videos I would have been scared to push it that fast in live traffic!
Adam WrongWay doesn't hate Kingsong, but his review does feel rushed. I met him in Amsterdam last year. I asked him which wheel he wanted to review. And he said S20.
The power of the S20, is that it is highly configurable. WrongWay discovered this also. The suspension can be moved, the footplates can be moved up/down front/back. Flat sides for different pads etc.
We still have only seen the preproduction S20, which is build much cheaper than a proper production model.
I think Adam's concern is legit but at the same time there weren't anything I'd consider "really bad" which would be safety problems like cutout or difficult to fix things like a rusty bearing. A broken plastic handle is just about the easiest thing to fix actually
That’s good to know. It looks like a lot of fun to ride, and having a performance wheel with suspension is a game changer for riding on city streets, since you can keep up with traffic without dying to potholes.
I don't think Adam is a Kingsong hater, maybe if you said a Gotway hater, some might consider it, at least for me, because of a statement he made in one video, wherein he said that he's going to delete some of his Gotway videos he made. I never really checked if he did delete some videos though. Anyways, I think it was a fair review he made.
Also, even though I don't agree with Haisang's verdict on this particular video, I also think it's fair. When reviewing these wheels, there will always be some amount of subjectivity, and the difference of great reviews, such as this one, is when the recviewer doesn't allow himself to be blinded with his/her own subjective view of the wheel.
Just when I thought I was sick of S20 reviews.....well played ! These are my current top choices. I may just get both by the end of the year.
Great job again, Hsiang!
I've ordered KS S20 2 months ago. That comparison just made my choice more clear😉
Hope to ride on NY streets someday on my KS S20 too 😎
Once again you’ve brought up some great points bro. I appreciate your point of view. I do believe some of the S20 shortcomings will be addressed and I still believe this will be an amazing wheel for most people. I don’t believe it 100% lived up to all the crazy hype but I do believe they have done something fantastic with this build. Of course my favorite part was that when riding it I felt like it could handle us big guys
Bonus if my S20 ships with it's own Power Metal theme like yours.
which one would be better for a larger rider? I'm 270
People buy Shermans for their sick nasty drum n bass music.
Great vid as always mate. Just wondering... where is that CF Sherman mudguard from??? Looks slick!
really wonder if a street tire would make a cool racing wheel out of s20
I would put a streettire on the Master. The S20 is the best off road wheel.
@@BunnyslippersEUC I really wish I could try all wheels for a day before buying.
I never get tired of his ACG black n white speckled parka :)
Damn.... Damn.... SPECTACULAR VIDEO HSIANG. I THINK IT'S THE FIRST OF ITS KIND!! VERY CREATIVE AND FUN TO OBSERVE THE 2 POWER HOUSE WHEELS!!!
Great review… I would have to agree with a lot of your points
Eagle coming first batch!!! Can’t wait to share my rides
Thanks for yours!
Great video and content as always! But I disagree with this comparison. There's no such thing as an all around "better" wheel, it depends on what you're looking for. If you ride off road or prioritize comfort over range in your riding then the S20 is a better choice, hands down. But if you're like some of us who use their wheel as a primary mode of transportation, to ride all day running errands or travel long distances when needed, all while keeping up with 30-45 mph traffic... the S20 doesn't even compare to the Sherman. The S20 can hit 43mph but only for short distances. After that it seems you start getting seriously throttled back and the wheel starts beeping at anything above 30mph, which makes keeping up with traffic difficult and downright dangerous.
I'm no KS hater, I have an S20 on preorder for now, but would never think of replacing my Sherman with one, that's just silly. The S20 is a fun, comfortable ride and an awesome off-road machine that can do high performance in short bursts. But its still a toy in terms of its short range, short-lived performance, & poor durability. The VS is a leap closer to being a legitimate vehicle, with long range, sustained high performance, and a much more robust build, at the cost of suspension.
I think I did say that if you need long range wheel the Sherman comes out ahead but this is mostly a comparison for short range performance. I mostly use the Sherman as a comparison here because it is the gold standard when it comes to speed.
Thank you. I was back and forth in between VS n KS20.you made me see things 👍
“A true 40mph cruiser, for about 10 miles”
Fixed it for ya
What's up with the e-rides dudes, I've tried contacting them by email multiple times with no response?!!
Yes, it is crazy to put the S20 over the Sherman :)
EDIT: Just to be clear I’m answering Hsiang’s question! There are cases where the S20 would be better….just not the majority imho :)
S-20 wins on design - poor design!
Hard to read you. You have had so many wheels that you loved. Then you went to the S18 and loved it for a month and then to the V11. I guess as an influencer you have no choice.
@@freeforester1717 Whats good of a pretty wheel if it shed pieces from the front and back when crashes. S20 is build around suspension but little crashes protection. Enthusiast are willing to pay for replacement parts but not main stream riders. People would only like to upgrade parts to make it better not because its broken..
Nope....I owned Sherman myself,....drag race up to 87 kph myself.....then I tried S20 demo wheel, I thought I would have needed more time for adjustment, but i just went hard at first time ....this wheel is amazing, smooth and fast....but I would definitely go for S20 for daily commute and 40 mph cruiser wheel....
Suspension and good 45mph speed wheel is the way to go!
Great music for the S20 vs. Sherman shoot out!
Well done. I have a KS16XS...No reason for me to change brands. Kingsong is a reliable wheel.
I'm undecided between S20 and Max.. but S20 looks like a lot of work to do anything mechanical on it.
Me too but ended up choosing the Max. And I've already got a regular Sherman and still chose the Max. Mostly because of what you said. Maintenance issues.
Interesting! I was leaning away from the S20. Your review puts it back in contention for me. I want suspension in my next wheel (due to potholes, not so much for off roading), so the Sherman is not on my list.
Hsiang - Try this video again and race Mickey on HIS Sherman and you on your S20. That should tell us which Unicycle is truly the fastest.
You remember what happen the last time we held a road race right?? You want the internet euc police to grab their pitchfork and torches again??
@@OWGAC You know that what you just typed is silly, right? I was not talking an “ally Cat” race. I have seen MANY videos, here and on Instagram (for all of the public to see) where racing EV’s is norm and caused ZERO headaches. You Know Better. Let’s make this race happen. Let’s really put your theory to the test. Side by side.
@@OWGAC Now that I think about, let’s have you race against Turbo and his wheel.
Im current in possession of a S20 and a MP, and the MP just drives away from the S20, i have a video on my channel (S20 demo day) and the S20 was at top speed and the MP not even beeping passes it with ease, the S20 is nice, shame it rides like a Kingsong, missed opportunity to have custom pedal tuning
For a balanced compromise for speed, range, durability and value for money, I will go with the Veteran Sherman. Thank you for this video.
Durability? Only if you stay on the streets. I wanted to buy a Sherman before but I canceled my order just in time after I saw 5 of them died at overheat hill because of the mud. Mud twigs and small pebbles is it’s Kryptonite. I saw 2 of them died on a piece of twig. I won’t trust it trail riding alone in a forest, you won’t be able to carry it out if it dies. It’s not an off-road wheel as they wanted you to think because it comes with an off-road tire. I just wanted something that can do anything including turning heads and for that reason the S20 wins.
@@MV-ld4wl yes, but range is the king for all PEVs, so.....
@@oryxone-c3o I agree but I will not be buying a non suspension wheel again after I had a bad accident after hitting a pothole and definitely not a Sherman it has very little clearance on the upper part of the wheel, anything could jam it. I have seen it to many times don’t try to push it or dolly it to take out whatever is jamming it. It will overheat very fast and fry your motherboard. Range would not be an issue for me on the S20 because I’m only 130 lbs. I can do almost 60 miles on my S18. I can probably do more than 90 miles on the S20 easily and that’s more than enough for me.
@@MV-ld4wl I find hard to believe such carnage on Shermans... The Sherman goes through twigs like a shark would go through sardines... Mine munches and crushes them to splinters and go through pebbles without further problem despite the low clearance between the tire and the very machine. I've done some off-road myself so I can tell... You would only find trouble attacking a steep hill on a Sherman at a low speed. Nevertheless I think the Sherman wasn't specifically designed for that but it is a EUC that will take you almost anywhere when the tarmac is gone. That is one thing very different from ridiing it on a muddy hell. I insist it wasn't designed for that and an s20 will always do better.The risk of frying the motherboard is always there, all you have to do is to avoid that specific situation. The Sherman was designed for a sustained high speed not for hardcore climbing or off-road although it can deal with this terrains pretty, pretty good. But it is not for that,hence the low clearance of the pedals. Otherwise it's a perfect machine for just about anything you can throw at it. The s20 seems to be a very attractive product too but it's certainly a different approach, and taking account that the s20 wheel has been designed for a real punishment that we still don't know if it can properly without being destroyed... I don't think there is a better wheel so far, these two cover two different spectrums. Both combined are probably the dream team. Although suspension is the real lack of the Sherman I would never trade mine just for that. The perfect wheel would be a Sherman with some little suspension and better clearance in both aspects , tire and pedals. Let's dream a little longer... But after all it is like dreaming of a Ferrari you could savagely offroad with.😍
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Keep up the good work! As future S20 owner (I pre ordered) and first time rider it's nice to see some positive videos. There are more then enough critics of ALL wheels that as a new rider shopping for a wheel you don't want to buy ANYTHING based on all the bad press most EUC channels give! Don't get me wrong all the things wrong with each EUC are necessary and needed. However, there also seems to be an "overfixation" on all the flaws of every wheel and it is a huge part of EUC culture. At least until that unicorn of a wheel appears one day.
Thanks again for the positive vids!
Love your videos Hsiang thanks man, great fun and full of real info. Cheers - pump that bird!!
Hi Shawn,
question on your opinion of the S20. put aside the issues that the pre-prod units have seen and your fire. What is you opinion (of the future) of the S22 compared to the Sherman Max? I would like to hear your opinion on this.
Any recommendations for a beginner euc? Watched the video from back in feb 2021 but not sure if anything has changed with batteries/bms in the new year.
Bonjour
Un plaisir de te revoir.
J'ai commandé une S20 depuis octobre, je patiente......
Merci à bientôt. 😃
Hey mate, I'm new to the EUC and love your content but you gotta normalize the audio levels just so the music don't overpower your voice. S20 looks like a beast in a smaller package too.
Awsome video and great comparison. Will you do a review on the Commander HS
Can you share links for jacket and your slingbag? the link in the description seems not the same
For all that money the Veteran Sherman doesn't even come with the impressive King Song Inferno mode shown in your recent S20 video. Seems like a big oversight.
In order for the suspension to be good, you need to transfer it to the rollers. This makes the suspension much better
what are those brass knobbys on your Sherman, I would love to get those! thanks, and the pedals!
I am the owner of Veteran Sherman. After I bought the s22 and modified the suspension (put rollers in it), I don't want to drive a Sherman anymore
Please, change the S20 tire for the same model that you show on the Sherman... I think the difference will be brutal!
Thanks for another 15 min well spent time for me :-). What pads do you recommend for KS20 - thx again
That's a Michelin tire on Sherman, isn't it? Do you know which model?
Really liking this wheel now
😊👍🏼-Times are changeing ...are you ready?
I put down $100 deposit recently so, I probably won't see delivery if this wheel until Fall maybe? But, it would be my FIRST wheel which goes against what all the experts say. I just don't want to pay an extra 2k or for second wheel. I think if I take it really slow in open grassy area I can learn on this wheel?
word on the street is the King Song S20 can be unlocked to do 80 kmh .... great review ... I definitely want an unlocked version
you're gonna have an unlocked face... leave it how they set it....
Isn't the monster pro faster than both ? Even though I don't really like this wheel, at least it had that in my mind ?
I can let you know soon as I’m Demoing a S20 shortly and I happen to have a latest batch Monster Pro as my personal wheel
Monster Pro has a higher top speed but in a normal ride what matters more is how quickly you can get up to that speed and due to its lower torque the monster pro isn't good for that.
Did you just say 2800wh for Sherman?? It's 3200wh buddy! Cool video. Make some more.
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The missing data points for S20 are cutoff max speed and the survivability of S20's suspension end in a high speed crash. You should add durability score for future wheels, since EUC are known to be a crash magnet. It is known, riders' experiences based on how many bones he broke not how many wheels he has. It is known! Perhaps, range score as well, after all, curious people always ask for top speed and range for ever electric mobility!
Less loudness on the music.... why talk at all if you are going to go back and forth with loud music.
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I want to see you ride the S20 with another wheel if possible Hsiang
Damn, Hate to say it but it was good to see the dangers of the S20 by the fire before they completed Mass productions. Glad no one got Hurt.
The s20 sound is incredible but holy crap its big. Also this launch for a preprod wheel it has been very confusing
love how you have a street tire on the shem
Yeah. Why haven't we seen a range test with Sherman on streettire?
Michelin tire, I think. Same as the one people are putting on the Monster Pro.
where do you get the frame sliders that you have on the sherman?
I hope ur right I'm getting mine in May can't wait
Most likely june
@@noelleonard2498
U think in June??
I wish these videos were not about speed all the time. IMO it defeats the purpose. an EUC is meant to be a combination of small, light, compact, and agile with acceptable range, speed, and terrain capabilities. I would not want to load an extra 50lb item in my plane, use up extra space on a sail boat, or wheel something the size of a moped into the grocery store. Not long and some legislator will notice this and want to ban or restrict them. Still like the vid and like the speed, I just pointed out something to be wary of.
Can you let me know when the next group ride is going down
Get on the nyc EUC collective chat on telegram!
Nice work @Hsiang ! But i see that you still wear your ski helmet man, don't use that on roads , if you crash this chin guard will not protect you but break in pieces and damage even more your chin and mouth. Not my words, professionnals of ski protections told me so. greetings from France
....and it makes you look like a dork!
@@416-Toronto it aint just the helmet....
As I'm just at the beginning of the video, I'm hoping that you compared the GPS-corrected speeds!
Your MC/scooter street tire on the Sherman will typically need -8% correction for speed and distance (or even more, that one looks pretty low profile)
S20 stock: don't know yet.
Okay, will watch now 😀
Edit: no GPS correction. The real speed of the Sherman was likely lower than S20 in this comparison since it needs between -8 and -10 speed correction with the tire used.
I actually did record GPS data next to the euc world wheel data, but I didn't include it cuz it sort of bock up more of the screen. But I think experience riders can prob figure in the known offset base on the wheel data
@@OWGAC yes if you recorded a tour, then by averaging a bunch of values from a section of fairly constant speed you can get a good estimate of the correction needed.
On Sherman I needed -8% with a Michelin City Pro 80/90-14, and 6% on the CST-C6004 street tire now (same as stock knobby)
Curious to hear if you find that S20 needs correction or none like some said!
Hey Hsiang. I have a question. What tire is on that Sherman in the thumbnail? Any losses in top speed from it?
Where did you get your slider pegs for your Sherman?
Great video, finally some speed! It would be nice to know how close the app speed is compared to gps speed is on the 20?
Check out the tracked ride footage from my original S20 review, it has both the EUC world wheel speed and a gps speed at the same time so you can compare
At 40 MPH, what's the average range you can get from full to empty?
You must live in the suburbs/country. Not possible to ride 40 for very long in the city.
@@Curtish8892H I live in a small town in NorCal and the roads here are atrocious. I've never gone faster than 38mph on my Sherman because even that felt unsafe with all of the cracks and dips around here.
20 miles, maybe a bit more or less 🤷 would be my guess if you could hold 40mph firmly.
Fantastic work as always, Hsiang! Even though I notice you are running the Sherman this time with a street tire, do you have any quick thoughts comparing the S20 knobby tire against the Sherman’s knobby Kenda? In particular, I’ve heard that turning/carving can be a bit trickier on the S20 due to its more dramatic tread roll off on the sides. Thanks as always for sharing your knowledge and making our EUC community even better!
Keep in mind that I ride a monster v3 with similar sqarish tire profile and the z10 which is a wheel that according to some is notoriously difficult to turn, but to me I had zero issues with turning, even at higher speed. Now I don't do 30mph turns since in an urban setting you slow down just to be safe so not sure how it would do on a racetrack
Where do I find those crash pucks for Sherman?
imo your one of the few who put on their own pads i wonder if that affected how they felt the power of the wheel
Makes a world of difference, people use stock since they look nicer but they are just about as terrible as any other stock pads
Tht master gonna tear they ass up.🤣
why do you have a tire in the opposite direction on the Sherman?
I guess he borrowed it from someone but same, I would install this tire the opposite way.
Hrrm I'll ask? Yes I burrowed this wheel but from a very exp rider so I'd be surprised if he install it backward by accident
@@OWGAC Many people put the tire on an EUC backwards... on motorcycles, the most power put down is in the forward direction and these are alot faster than EUCs. EUCs put the most effort into the tire under hard braking... going forward, EUCs are not hard on tires. Generally, the direction of a tire is due to the overlap of the layers in the carcass... EUCs are so slow (for a tire) so how the overlap is in our tires will never be a worry
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Awesome! The s20 is so fast, is that really safe tho? Very good video, very thorough, really liked this review. And yes I would most definitely pick the Kinsgong S20, hands down…
umm I think the biggest question mark over the S20 now is the Begode Master. We know the flaws in the S20 now, will KS address them in the first batch I wonder; well some of them for sure but......!
I'm waiting to see what flaws the Master has. Everybody is getting butthurt about a lot of minor issues found on the S20 demo wheels and acting like the Master is going to be flawless. Master will have only 1 thing going for it...a short but exhilarating rocket ride, then recharge. But what flaws will it have? What safety features will it have? Litech support is a good start, but many of the standard Gotway safety and QC concerns are still likely going to be present in the Master.
s20 and Master specs are awfully similar. I think the huge difference is how much they are allowed to draw from the battery. The more you let through, the higher the stress is on the battery. KS might be trying to make a longer lasting safer product. That's my theory anyways.
Sick video, what kinda range did you get outta the ks20?
Excellent video! I'm excited for the Master
How do I get some of those pegs you have on front and back????
How?
Great 15 mins charging my car👍
Since you didn't address it, I presume the Eagle wasn't calibrated to EUC World properly and not that it doesn't experience voltage sag at all and remains at 100% for a long while. 😋
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ok but is anybody going to talk about that groan / grind sound on the s20?
Most likely tire noise.
@@BabbittdaWabbitt Actually it's the hybrid nature of the S20 motor. It gives torque AND speed, but the trade off is you have to build up to the torque for a couple seconds and most riders go hard off the line. Hence, a grinding sound.
I did intentionally put a sensitive mic on the gopro and did some post to enhance the noise cuz I liked the way it sound! But it's true that the Sherman is way quieter by comparison
Also makes sound when magnets skip.
@@OWGAC i wonder if that will be addressed in the production. It seems worrying. Sure it sounds dope but I hope no damage is happening.
that guy right there was about to get hit if he doesnt stop and keeps moving faster forward 0:30 some ppl take the i have priority on pedestrians crossings way too seriously but if you hit him you would be 200% at fault thats why we EUC riders gotta be 400% more carefull with evrything
Theoretically yes, but keep in mind that for 90% of traffic injuries or death here in NYC the person driving isn’t even charged. pedestrian for the most part do not expect that car stop for them especially on larger roads
Tried both the s22 and t4. T4 wins on acceleration. S22 wins on top speed. Suspension wise t4 is quieter but ride quality is about the same for both. My money is going to the t4 as soon as they sort out stator issues. I park my wheels in my basement and lighter is better for stairs.
Great info. I really need this info to pick the next ride. It is very unsettwling chosing just off of stats on paper.
awesome Hsiang !..
great !! thanks
If the price of a EUC was based on its weight than a 125cc motorcycle would cost 12800$. Would you pay. How come up with such rediculous prices.
These prices are so jacked up.
Will the s20 charge faster because it’s 126v?
Wonderful review! Your urban riding skills are Ducati
I just have a few observations on the emphasis of:
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Outside of extremely limited circumstances in the Sherman’s time period to offer the pinochle of cruise…
that is because you don’t have the confidence to stomp on the Sherman’s software? Or Hardware? It’s a interesting question perhaps
I wonder if you don’t trust yourself with the Sherman? Does the Sherman give a vibe or could there be a tire choice that sufficiently mitigates the stability questions within surface changes
Trust… hmmm
So the s20 iteration of technology and suspension own or continue to earn your Trust?
Reliability was definitely covered in sugar with the high performance clips
That’s a bitter ploy to divert interest on the reliability department ~ the suspension Sherman will logically harness the reliability of the Sherman having learned from the Sherman Max platform
Perhaps add some suspension and huge power to the suspension Sherman and the Sherman original is never beaten for original cruiser feel
I would love to ask anyone if they are thinking this is a rematch when it’s the suspension Sherman vs. S22/3
What type of helmet are you wearing and what type of shirt do you have on please. It looks like it is protecting you if you crash from road rash. ❤️❤️🔥🔥❤️❤️🔥🔥
Great video !! I’m glad you compared it to the Sherman. Would you say the veteran Sherman has more torque off the line?
The Sherman is more predictable I'd say, the s20 pedal dips when pushed hard but bounces back so it's trickier to take off but with practice I think you can squeeze the same take off as the sherman
@@OWGAC thanks .. that reminds me of how it felt when I used to pedal hard on my mountain bike with suspension!!
How are you filming this video while riding?
Is your S20 suspension functional Hsiang ?
In the shots from the back at 6:43 and onwards, it looks like there's no movement whatsoever despite the potholes all over the street.
He might have it locked, you can lock the suspension, still will get some absorption but not full travel.
@@mcfly_ev yes maybe with maximum compression and rebound dampening so it hardly moves.
Or maybe there's still perceivable suspension travel, just hard to see on camera.
I have it set relatively stiff but as mentioned it is not a bouncy wheel, it'll only compress when you hit a large dip and you won't see it move as much as the s18. The setup is for performance and not comfort, think sports suspension on a bmw
@@OWGAC thanks, makes sense.
I guess that even with this harder setup, you found it provides the increase in grip you've been seeking with suspension then.
I love your clothes/ gear, you are looking very svelte! I want to get some like that, I have an antique (53year old) stout 5'2" 140 pound female frame to protect, just started learning EUC but I can already mount it w/o holding on to anything! Can only ride very short distances ( like 8 houses down my sidewalk). Thanks for your great videos! EUC love from Kenosha, WI!!
Great content but totally different wheel. You're comparing apple to orange.
Get your pro orange propaganda out of here! LOL
Let me put out the disclaimer that I'm not a VS rider nor owner so I got no skin in this fight. That said, it would seem that there's a bias to the strengths of S20 over the VS. I certainly argue if one says the S20 is a better value & perhaps (maybe possibly conceivably) a better wheel for the average rider. The real competition is the Master vs S20 IMO
There isn't a real competition. It's just most people know the Sherman as a performance wheel. So the Sherman should be considered a reference point for comparing. That is the reason the Sherman is chosen for this video.
Nobody knows the Master.
Exactly this!!
From TIMES SQUARE NEW YORK CITY YOU GO GUYS 1 LOVE & PEACE
show how S20 is lighter to carry climb's hills while maintaining low temperature , go's off - road & can jump..
Can you ride euc on the road in my?
Very Comprehensive
What Dainese jacket is that you're wearing?
👀 following. looks like a Leatt to me though