I owned a Heritage Classic, & currently own A Road King. I shop often & attentively at my local Harley D. dealership, & yet I learn more from you than I ever got there. Must be why I SUBSCRIBE. Keep up the great work. Often, we just don't know what to ask.
I traveled many highway miles on a 2001 Heritage Softail Classic and it performed wonderfully. It was comfortable and reliable and I would still have it if a distracted driver had not hit me and totaled it. Now I ride an Electra Glide Standard and I love it too. I’ve racked up many highway miles on it as well. I guess in today’s world everything has to be classified and labeled. I completely understand what you are saying in the video and you are right, but both bikes will perform well when touring. You do great videos, keep up the good work.
I remember when I first got my touring bike (Road king) it was very different from 1200 Sportster. The neck pivoted like a swivel when I first made a U-turn. That explains it. Thank you. Your videos are very educational.
In the eighties I worked Toyota Parts. The answer I once received for "What model do you have?" was.."It's not the small one, it's the next one up" . at the time there was , Starlet, Tercel, Corolla and Celica not to mention pickups, land cruisers, Cressida, none of them were big
I was at auto parts store a few months ago. Guy in front of me in line wanted some part for his daughter's XXX car. (Guy knew the brand; I don't remember now.) "What model, sir?" "I don't know, it's the top of the line thing." "Well I can't help you without knowing at least the model." Guy looked sour as he turned and walked out. I was worried it was going to turn into a ten minute argument. People!
I doubt this was the motor co. changing where the heritage is listed on the website. I bet it was a web designer that stuck it in with touring because it has bags or some reason like that.
This was done intentionally by H-D. I agree, it's a bit messy and don't particularly care for it either but it wasn't an accident. Street, Electric, Cruiser, Touring and Trike are the new categories instead of Families. They used to be sorted by XL, Softail, Touring, etc. Even the term "Street" is confusing because it's the nickname for the XG models but now it's used to describe XG and XL models designed for street riding (vs. cruising or touring). The easiest way to shop for parts online is to enter your year and model and they should sort by fitment. Buying off the shelf of a dealer is going to lead to confusion and more parts returns due to fitment. Aftermarket parts fitment descriptions are also going to be messy but that's not H-D's problem. Virtually nothing that fits a XG Street model will fit an XL model but they have thrown XG and XL models into that Street group when shopping for bikes. Shopping for parts still shows the FLHC(S) as a softail and XL and XG models as Sportster and Street models. H-D still has some work to do to sort it out. H-D brought this to dealer's attention weeks ago and my dealership has discussed it in general meetings and marketing meetings. The information has also been available on the H-D dealer website for a while for all dealer employees.
I noticed this too and was a bit surprised. I have a 2018 Anniv Heritage. I've put 18K miles on it, rode to Sturgis and Florida a few times.... On my last trip back from Florida I decided to check out a Street Glide, and reasoning was I wanted to see the difference in comfort. Well I bought a 2019 Street Glide and its a huge improvement when you tour long distances compared to Heritage. I kept the Heritage, because it's one hell of a cruiser that can certainly take you long distances, but the Street Glide now decked out like an Ultra is the way to go if you're touring. Best of both worlds IMO.
This is no mistake. It's a much bigger identity change. The frame family names are gone. The name "Softail" is only found one place and that's in the name Softail Slim under "cruiser." "Sportster" is no longer used anywhere on the site's language. There's just general categories now for global shoppers: street, electric, cruiser, touring. I now have a "street Forty-Eight" and you have a "touring Heritage Classic." Imagine the frustration sales staffs will have helping new customers choose a bike, frame, accessories, etc. when HD won't even acknowledge they make Sportsters and Softails. Marketing decisions like this are very deliberate and prove there are major changes coming (and continuing) for HD.
Also, i like your shop topics, for things to look for and at before riding. I also do the T CLOCKS walk around before each ride, specially air pressure and tires.
Hey J-Max.... I guess I’ll call my old Softail Deuce a touring model too. Bought it brand new, put 64,000 plus miles on that bad boy taking epic road trips (touring) all over the country and into Mexico. We’re all riding touring bikes, if we actually get out and ride further than our mailbox, or our favorite sports bar, and stay all night at least one night, somewhere other than a friends couch.
Just want to tell you man you are the reason I went with the heritage. Got a 2018 a few months ago. 1st bike and thank you for helping with my decision
Bought my 09 Softail Custom because it looked cool and talked to me. Have bags, detachable windshield and rear fender luggage rack. With the bags and windshield on she is Touring Bike. Has most comfortable seat HD ever put on a bike. Ride Safe
I've noticed looking through the catalogue that the more you pay for the bike the more options you have. With a 1200 sportster you have limited options and about 20 pages of mostly gingerbread items in a Harley catalogue, but if you have a streetglide you can choose from 20 different types of wheels and have 100 pages with custom accessories out the wazoo. I got the electraglide standard so my budget is the only limiting factor. I wanted the batwing but don't need a radio, so I'll do passing lamps, handlebars, hand grips, pipes, and a passenger seat and foot pegs and call it good.
Great vlog John. Yes I notice that looking at Harley’s website the other day. I think Harley put the Heritage there is because of a shorter rider who would have problems with a Road King SGS and above. You have proved that with your Heritage tour pack five gallon tank etc., plus you can go on a trip on the Highway and be comfortable. I also have Heritage great bike and Im 5 11 Be Cool and Ride Safe🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🏍
I have always called the touring bikes full size frames. I need to learn the letter designation for each bike. It can simply things actually. Thanks for taking the time to bring up the subject.
Thank you for making this video Harley Tech!! It freaked me out when I didn’t see the Heritage on their new page. Then I was confused when I found it in the touring group. It almost looks like they messed up on the layout.
I think the same can be said about the Sport Glide it's also a soft tail that can be seen as a touring bike from HD. It's another Swiss Army knife from HD with a tour pack and a high shield it's a perfect bike for touring plus it's more fun in town and round the twists
I got a 2014 it’s nice but that year ain’t no touring model . I wish it was . Glad to see you back on . The people that bought Chattahoochee Harley how’s that working out now?
Here's my experience in owning both in the last two years. I actually traded in my 2018 Heritage Classic after 14,000 miles in one year on it with the Hammock Seat, Tour Pack, large windscreen, wind deflectors, etc. I replaced it with a 2019 1/2 Electra Glide Standard which I brought up to Limited including the Tour Pack, the Hammock dual seat, passenger foot pegs, all available wind and heat deflectors but MINUS the radio, speakers, etc, because I use maps, radio/music, weather, etc., all through BlueTooth into my helmet. The lack of the weight in the batwing fairing is very helpful in lowspeed maneuvering! Why would I make this change if the Heritage was a tourer? The BIGGEST reason was performance on the interstate in terms of noise (engine and wind) and vibration above 65 mph, all of which is almost absent on the Electra Glide. For me, at 72 years or age and 54 years of motorcycle riding on over two dozen types of motorcycles, the Electra Glide is a far superior interstate tourer. Having the instrumentation up near the line of sight is super important to me in avoiding tickets and staying safer. The Heritage Classic was fine on a couple of tours between 1000-1500 miles that I took all on state and county roads below 65 mph. It was BETTER in rear suspension performance by a mile compared to the extremely limited rear suspension of the Electra Glide. The difference is very notable when riding dual around town with rougher roads, holes, etc. with them loaded comparably. Conversely, on the interstate with a passenger and properly loaded set of saddlebags and Tour Pack with the pre-load moved up properly, it felt less stable than the Electra Glide does in cross winds and truck turbulence, neither of which bother my similarly configured and loaded Electra Glide. It felt like the frame based weight distribution was contributing to this less stable Heritage feeling when loaded (properly)--a lighter front end feeling that does not occur on the Electra Glide. So certainly the Heritage served me well for my year's worth of touring, but the Electra Glide is a far superior experience (except for the rear suspension performance).
So you seem like someone with a lot of experience on a motorcycle. I've owned A Suzuki 450 for 10 years. I am thinking about getting a motorcycle after taking a break from it for 30 years. I am interested in either the heritage or the road King. I don't plan to go on long tours. I would commute on it for about 20 minutes to work each day. I am 6 ft 2 in tall and 230 lb. Could you help me explore the differences or considerations between the heritage and the road King and the electra glife. I like the idea of the electra with the fairing. I want comfort wind protection but not necessarily a big bulky tour look or feel around town. Is that even a concern? Maybe because of my size I need to consider a touring bike. I do need to test drive the motorcycles I know but was just looking for some comments before I do that. I would mostly drive solo and think the heritage would be a good option. maybe I am also just asking can I figure rider find comfort on a heritage or would that purchase be regrettable. Thank you.
Literally just had this conversation with my dealership yesterday. I went up to ask if since it's in the touring line now, could I get the 131 put on a Heritage when I buy this fall. The answer is no. I was told that because it is still the Softail frame the 131 wouldn't fit/ Harley's warranty wouldn't cover it even if I could get it to fit. To which I responded in true Monty Python fashion: "Very well. You make me sad."
🤔I was under the impression that it would go in any 114? Funny how you can't just get it fitted from the factory (the 131) NO you have to buy the 114 then take the motor out spend like ANOTHER $6,500 and end up with.a brand new 114 Paperweight!💩
@@vetta17 I saw that video too. He didn't say that it would fit. He said he saw no reason why it wouldn't. But that's beside the point. If Harley won't cover it on the warranty, then there's no point to squeezing it onto the frame. I would imagine the 2021 models will have a slight deviation in the motor cavity of the Softail frame to ensure the 131 has the proper spacing Harley wants, and then it will be available. Right before the 140 comes out...😤
See that’s interesting because Blockhead just released a video where his dealership told him they could put that engine on his FXDR which is the same frame
@@Legendairy_Angel94 In that respect yes but did you change the frame, driveline, size tires, shocks, dual front brakes, wider front end, etc? Even a softail can get fatiguing on the interstate with someone on back for hrs of bad roads. I do have friends on sportys, yamaha r1 fitted with bags, seat etc that travel coast to coast twice a yr and they say their next bike will be a bigger (more weight for the rd) planted, nimble bike. I myself cant ride anything less than a softail or dyna these days. Not for long haul. I know it can be done but not comfortably. There's a difference between a "touring" model and a bike you can possibly tour on. They are not "created" equal.
Been touring on my ‘05 heritage since new. Last summer I sold my ‘04 RoadGlide. I’m a smaller guy I always referred to the RoadGlide as “The Moose”. Yes it was great on the road but get in a parking lot or gravel and it was a MFer. Backing was unbelievable so I never felt confident on the RG. Last summer I went on a 4 state ride and yes the Heritage a challenge to pack next to the RG but even fully loaded it is easier to handle.
I checked the site and this is not the only change. They changed the concept of categorizing the bikes. So street and sportster is now under section street, then we have electric, then the cruiser section with no changes apart Heritage which is now under Touring category. So now they like stating the intention of the bike rather than the specs maybe in the view of the new upcoming bikes having different frames and engines. I foresee the adventure category to be added with the Pan America.
They’re not. I’m wondering if they did this to claim the touring line prices start lower than they were before they moved this model under the touring line.
Web designer to Harley corporate boss, "We have too many Softtail models to fit into the product template under 'Softtails,' what do you want me to do?" Harley corporate boss, "I dunno. You're the Web guy, you figure it out."
I asked my dealership parts department this as well. They said Heritage is a FL, back in the 80's was FL, it's a touring due to bags and foot boards. insurance for years considered it a touring for cheaper insurance. So... yes its a softail frame but depending whom you ask you might get a different answer.
Asking facebook or any social media platform for advice on your bike is like asking which S.T.D. is better. I tour with my softail deuce, but I definitely wouldn't consider it a touring bike. Thats what Ultras are for. You need that cruise control and nicer seat.
I agree, it is not in the touring lineup, completely different frame, parts etc. must be a marketing strategy to sell more Heritage motorcycles, since everyone wants a touring bike these days.
I agree! You really have to research your model. My example: in 2000 HD started using sealed wheel bearings (yup , welcome to y2k) so your 1999 Dyna needs to have it's wheel bearings periodically repacked while the 2000 dyna does not.
Done alot of cross country touring on my 1987 FLSTC...In 87 thought I was two young to get a ole man dresser...lol... still got it still love it... but my FLHTCU is now first trips...course some say I am an ole man now...lol...
I know its preference but may ask why I've had the RK and RG and now I have 2015 Softail deluxe and think about the RKs I just couldn't find the one fits me I have rheumatoid but still want to tour and only on 2 wheels
Kevin Craig so do plus copd. Had them all, the EG was too much Tupperware in and around me. Even had the trike, that’s all upper body work to control. The RK and dyna was my favorite now I have a New fat boy. With two on this bike you notice that you only have a single and not dual brake up front in some situations.
you are very correct you sure can tour with it. mine is great. another thing is extended warranty. they don't charge the same amount for softail vs touring. I am getting the extended next month and they had better not increase it from what they quoted uggggh. we shall see.
When I ride a a Heritage I feel like I sit down in it deeper than my roadglide, I just like bigger frame bikes the best, especially two up. Love them all though.
I was brought up on Electra Glides. My parents used to travel back and forth to Florida from New York. I currently ride a 2000Heritage Classic. My 1st Softail. I love the ride. It is not fast, so I won't travel on the highway. I travel locally. I consider it a weekender. Harley is BSing its customers because they think the new generation of riders are unable to make the distinction. Somebody at HD needs to go.
HD Canada website still has the Softail Heritage Classic in the Softail section only. HD has been updating their websites and making a few tweaks and changes in the last few days or so..... Maybe some website content designer working on the websites messed up as the closest they have ever got to a bike is looking at one on a screen LOL..
If HD defines the Heritage as a touring bike (which it is from a touring perspetive), then I suggest by the same definition, it should also include the Sportsglide as it to comes with saddlebags and a faring, although I also suggest after market fairings like Memphis Shades would have better wind protection than the HD stock offering, which was in my mind clearly designed with a greater bias on looks rather than functionality.
So after being a life long Harley owner, 86 Sporty, a little break to raise kids, 07 dyna, 09 street glide, 16 ultra, 20 ultra the motor company has received a lot of my money in bikes, service, accessories. I found myself looking at a 20 Goldwing. My 20 ultra has now been in the shop for over 15 days for a leaking rear left shock, a 1” lower shock (basically a street glide shock). Parts and accessories purchased in the deal and installed by the dealership prior to taking delivery. First delay? Harley kicks out the replacement shock and ships the original shock that came on the bike. Delay 2 ? Uhm you may have to pay labor because the parts department didn’t order a lowering kit verses two 2020 street glide shocks. Uhm no, not paying that, check your shit, it is covered under MFG warranty, uhm okay, your are correct it is covered because we did order it, install it, and we did do that in the original purchase contract, thank you for making me make multiple phone calls and a trip to the dealership to straighten this out. Now as of today, still waiting for that one street glide shock to come in. Back to the original why I was looking at the Goldwing, well probably just dreaming about a motorcycle that functions. I just want to know why is a brand new bike with less 1k on the odometer in the shop for two weeks for a leaking shock? And it hasn’t only been this bike, please keep in mind my bikes have been regularly serviced. There has been a trend, the 09 leaked oil from the engine to the primary, happened a lot on the 2006 96”, $900.00 repair on a bike with14k miles, did Harley do a recall, nope fixed them on a as needed basis when they came in. 2016 ultra, gas cap recall, hydraulic clutch recall, all before 2k and the the water pump paid for by ESP at 10k, I hope the motor company lasts forever, it is an icon, but I believe she is feeling the heat from her competitors and all these little things are why. That is all.
If it makes you feel any better, I’ve read a comment that the new Gold Wings have had some teething issues with electronics and that new transmission. I know they had some frame cracking problem back in the 90’s. They are a great bike but nothing is perfect.
Always good info John,,,,,if you come to Daytona this March, I'll be working the AMA booth (at the track) a couple days, stop by! Joe Zednick Ocala Fl.
Ya, fitment confusion for add-ons, even within the softail line can kinda suck. Just muddles it up even more to advertise the Heritage in the touring line up. Of course if you can weld or know someone who can... everything fits. Skol!
My thoughts (not sure if this was said already): The categories are “cruisers” vs “touring”, not softail vs touring. Seems like it means the application of the bike more than the frame (since bags etc on heritage). I think it would be much less confusing to have the bikes listed by frame not application for the reasons you mentioned. But I don’t think it was an accident, just a misguided idea.
Just had a tire mounted on my front ( Dunlop). I noticed right away that the blue dot was not mounted at the valve stem. Not all Dunlops come with dot, just the ones with a light spot to indicate how to mount in relationship to the stem. They had never heard of that. How do they charge $99 an hour and not know how to mount a tire. PS. I've worked in a tire shop and did check the website.
Good for you to notice that. Just because a guy works at a dealer, or even has the WyoTech training, doesn't mean he know everything. So many people assume HD techs are gods. Same thing applies to car/truck dealerships. All vechicle places are hurting to find good help, and they are very very lucky when do they do find the "best of the best". But most the mechanics are far from that. There's 5 total dimwits for every one John Maxwell you find turning a wrench, unfortunately.
While I know some customers use them as touring and maybe I’m just old but a touring bike needs to be in the touring family and I can’t argue against your point one bit actually made way better than I could I guess I was going to try to say while I could tour on a heritage also but it’s just not a touring bike the forks yes the rear suspension unless they have made softails with touring suspension in the rear also but I haven’t worked for a dealership in several years so I could be wrong maybe you can set up the softail suspension differently now. Are all the big twins 6 gal tanks too ?
Keep it up don't burn out it happens HOG Chapters are good but people sometimes over load , Take it slow and enjoyment of the Chapter and people and the Riding, Do what you can at your pace . I like you keep it up live long and Harley Davison that's it for me .
So not only did H-D list the Heritage Softail as a "touring" model, they renamed all the softails as "Cruisers". The first line of the description of the Heritage "touring model" is "The quintessential American cruiser." So why is it not listed with all the other softail Cruisers? I hope I cleared this up for everybody!
Hey John long time watcher and big fan what what you do on here keep it up! Recently bought a 19 Street glide with the 107 and I'm looking at putting stage one on it. I was wondering if you'd seen any additional performance from doing the S.E high flow exhaust with super tuner pro vs just the mufflers and pro street tuner? Alot of extra money but thinking I may go with stage 2 or 3 later down the road.
As much as I enjoy your videos and when you ride on the country roads and chat, I personally think a video like this in traffic is cutting your concentration in half. Those big metal machines all around you are magnets for destruction.(they sure as heck arent paying too much attention) Keep yourself safe and as always the shiney side up!
In my opinion, the motor company is out of touch with what their constituents want. In addition, as a mechanic and shop owner i haven't been happy with them for twenty years. Quality goes down as prices go up, and they get more snotty
Agreed, not a fan of the Honda sounding scissor gear of the M8s. Ill keep my 09 SG and 96' Fatboy. I think Harley is freaking out over the competition. Plus the website designer probably f*cked up. Either that or Harley is trying to justify their high prices on their softails or should i say hard tails lol. Ill probably be a die hare Harley guy for life, its a love/hate relationship for me. Wish they were more reliable. I may one day check out the Indian if they get more dealerships out there.
@@PAULY-P yeppers it sure does, I know a guy that came from California to Missouri and bought a little Rebel 250 Honda and rode it all the way back to California, so it really doesn't matter, 💯✌️😎
Based on what I can find it seems like the move was when the challenger came out or close to it. Indian having that muscle touring bike and by slipping the heritage in they have one that can compete with it. Both monoshock, performance oriented v twin with a big motor
John Maxwell its good to see you back doing some vids. What are the bars you have on your bike? I was thinking of doing the HD Chizeled Lo on my 17 Road Glide until I went into Legacy HD, my local dealer in Effingham, IL and they showed me the new HD Fused Lo bars that just came out, and now Iam going that direction, just waiting on the call for them to schedule my bike in. What's your take on them? Have you seen them yet? Installed any yet?
I have a 02 FLSTC like new with 31 K on it and I would trade it today for a comparable Evo. I have my 01 road King for sale now I have a 72 FLH all factory and I love it and can work on it myself. I am done with new Harley Davidson's they are designed so an old home garage mechanic like me can't work on them.
Now that it's out in the open.... The fact the 30th Anniversary Fatboy uses black washers on the upper fork bracket but still uses silver hardware annoys me... a lot..
Well, I'll be damned! I didn't even notice, when I was on Harley's website yesterday looking at the differences between the Lowrider S and the Fat Bob! So I had to log back on check it out after watching your video. I guess I'm of two minds about it. I know what you're saying about the frame, but I can also see it in Harley's eyes too I guess. It was weird that I didn't pick up on it yesterday.
I think they got it wrong. They have done this in the past on other bikes. For example I have a 2009 Road Glide CVO. Went to swap out the grips and the parts guy at the Harley dealership only heard 2009 Road Glide or he didn't know that the CVO has the fly by wire throttle. So I had the same thing were I got the wrong grip and had to return them to get the correct one. I have also since learned that the fairing on the CVO doesn't use the same mounts to the crash bar as the other versions. The mount is just a little shorter to get the fairing down a little bit. Found this out trying to add lowers and they didn't fit cause they hit the fairing. I think Harley has the same problem all companies have, the designers and engineers create something a certain way and marketing and sales treat it a different way. I think that is what happened here. Marketing is probably trying to move all the bikes with saddle bags to be called touring.
Haynes manuals are cheap, and they have the specs broken down by year/model. Also thanks John Maxwell, now I want Krystal's and the closet one to me is a 10 hour drive 🤬 Keep up the good work! And please let us know when the Bronx will drop, if you can.
i spent almost 40 years in the Harley World, started taking out the Trash and cleaning the bathrooms at a Harley-Davidson/Yamaha dealer in 1973, and retired in 2010 (health) a dealer Service Manager and Ast GM and thru most of my career the Harley Letter designations made Sense and were Easy to Explain and if you Followed it you knew what you had, a little after i Retired Harley changed and the Letter Designations meant NOTHING and they have from what i can see no reason to even exist, That being Said, the OLD Letter Designation the Heritage was an FLSTC meaning FL for Touring Front End ST for Softail, C for Classic = Heritage Softail, ~ FLSTF the Fatboy FL for Touring Front End, ST for Softail, F for fatboy ~ the FLSTN the Nostalgia (the bike everyone wrongly calls the Deluxe) Again FL for Touring Front End, ST for Softail, N for Nostalgia These were the Touring Softails...........Then you Had the FXSTC the Softail Custom, FX meant Sport Front End (19" or 21") ST for Softail and C for Custom Etc Etc Etc but the NEW no meaning designations i could understand where you might be confused, part of why i sold my harley's and went to a goldwing like the new heritage in this video fake plastic bags, no sissybar WEIRD feeling handlebars and a harsh feeling Yamaha styled frame and total confusion because some moron in Milwaukee screwed with the best system in the industry the letter designations
I have been into touring long distance for a long time and my view of a touring bike is lots of storage upright seating with a full front coverage of the rider. A friend of mine has a Heritage and does long trips with it like a touring. Its low for her has a great seating position great for long distance for sure. But a touring bike it is not tho.
I’m not sure I’d buy a accessory based on which part of the web site the bike was shown. I’d always check the fitment in the catalogue or website. Grouping them by frame type could be confusing to a newcomer as well. When I started I had no idea what a Dyna was there, seemed to be lots of different bikes called Dyna. Just like Softail today. Grouping them by function (sort of) seems easier for nubies. Even that has problems, where would you put the SportGlide? Under Sports or Cruiser.
Hey John!! Keep up on the great content!!! BTW I love my "15" 103 H.O Fxdwg.... Next bike is either the Heritage or a Street glide. But time will tell .
Hey John probably not much interest in this outside of a few of us. But, I'd love to see a video of you removing and reinstalling the trunk (body) on a Freewheeler.
Heritage is a tourer if you make it such I have toured on much less...you just gotta want to go and somehow strap on your gear! Of course with my druthers the big bikes fit me better. And price wise I see I got quite a bit of choice!
hi john, i have a 13 heritage ultra classic, with the 103 engine, w/ the wide white walls, git a lot of comments on it, it runs great and has all the guts i need. comment on the 20 heritage it could use the shiney studs on the seat and saddel bags
The Heritage is a very capable and beautiful bike. In my mind, the only thing keeping it from being a true touring bike is dual front disc brakes. The more you pack on a bike the more braking you need to stop it. That all being said, the Heritage is still the best Harley Davidson for the buck.
The Heritage is still under Softail on the UK site. The US website looks like it has been completely refreshed so no doubt they’ll eventually screw the UK one up as well.
I owned a Heritage Classic, & currently own A Road King. I shop often & attentively at my local Harley D. dealership, & yet I learn more from you than I ever got there. Must be why I SUBSCRIBE. Keep up the great work. Often, we just don't know what to ask.
I traveled many highway miles on a 2001 Heritage Softail Classic and it performed wonderfully. It was comfortable and reliable and I would still have it if a distracted driver had not hit me and totaled it. Now I ride an Electra Glide Standard and I love it too. I’ve racked up many highway miles on it as well. I guess in today’s world everything has to be classified and labeled. I completely understand what you are saying in the video and you are right, but both bikes will perform well when touring. You do great videos, keep up the good work.
You sold me on Heritage 114s, just bought mine 2-12-20, kept my Dyna but can’t wait to get out there on the Heritage. Thanks for all the videos John
I remember when I first got my touring bike (Road king) it was very different from 1200 Sportster. The neck pivoted like a swivel when I first made a U-turn. That explains it. Thank you. Your videos are very educational.
In the eighties I worked Toyota Parts. The answer I once received for "What model do you have?" was.."It's not the small one, it's the next one up" . at the time there was , Starlet, Tercel, Corolla and Celica not to mention pickups, land cruisers, Cressida, none of them were big
I was at auto parts store a few months ago. Guy in front of me in line wanted some part for his daughter's XXX car. (Guy knew the brand; I don't remember now.) "What model, sir?" "I don't know, it's the top of the line thing." "Well I can't help you without knowing at least the model." Guy looked sour as he turned and walked out. I was worried it was going to turn into a ten minute argument. People!
I doubt this was the motor co. changing where the heritage is listed on the website. I bet it was a web designer that stuck it in with touring because it has bags or some reason like that.
That was my first thought as well. The problem when you have “non technical “ folks doing the work.
I would agree, except they didn’t move the Softail Sport Glide.
This was done intentionally by H-D. I agree, it's a bit messy and don't particularly care for it either but it wasn't an accident. Street, Electric, Cruiser, Touring and Trike are the new categories instead of Families. They used to be sorted by XL, Softail, Touring, etc. Even the term "Street" is confusing because it's the nickname for the XG models but now it's used to describe XG and XL models designed for street riding (vs. cruising or touring).
The easiest way to shop for parts online is to enter your year and model and they should sort by fitment. Buying off the shelf of a dealer is going to lead to confusion and more parts returns due to fitment. Aftermarket parts fitment descriptions are also going to be messy but that's not H-D's problem. Virtually nothing that fits a XG Street model will fit an XL model but they have thrown XG and XL models into that Street group when shopping for bikes. Shopping for parts still shows the FLHC(S) as a softail and XL and XG models as Sportster and Street models. H-D still has some work to do to sort it out.
H-D brought this to dealer's attention weeks ago and my dealership has discussed it in general meetings and marketing meetings. The information has also been available on the H-D dealer website for a while for all dealer employees.
I noticed this too and was a bit surprised. I have a 2018 Anniv Heritage. I've put 18K miles on it, rode to Sturgis and Florida a few times.... On my last trip back from Florida I decided to check out a Street Glide, and reasoning was I wanted to see the difference in comfort. Well I bought a 2019 Street Glide and its a huge improvement when you tour long distances compared to Heritage. I kept the Heritage, because it's one hell of a cruiser that can certainly take you long distances, but the Street Glide now decked out like an Ultra is the way to go if you're touring. Best of both worlds IMO.
This is no mistake. It's a much bigger identity change. The frame family names are gone. The name "Softail" is only found one place and that's in the name Softail Slim under "cruiser." "Sportster" is no longer used anywhere on the site's language. There's just general categories now for global shoppers: street, electric, cruiser, touring. I now have a "street Forty-Eight" and you have a "touring Heritage Classic." Imagine the frustration sales staffs will have helping new customers choose a bike, frame, accessories, etc. when HD won't even acknowledge they make Sportsters and Softails. Marketing decisions like this are very deliberate and prove there are major changes coming (and continuing) for HD.
Also, i like your shop topics, for things to look for and at before riding. I also do the T CLOCKS walk around before each ride, specially air pressure and tires.
Hey J-Max.... I guess I’ll call my old Softail Deuce a touring model too. Bought it brand new, put 64,000 plus miles on that bad boy taking epic road trips (touring) all over the country and into Mexico. We’re all riding touring bikes, if we actually get out and ride further than our mailbox, or our favorite sports bar, and stay all night at least one night, somewhere other than a friends couch.
Spot on, John! There’s a difference between a “touring” model and a model that you can tour on! 👍
It's nice to see you back on here again Mr. Maxwell . Think sunny weather !
Just want to tell you man you are the reason I went with the heritage. Got a 2018 a few months ago. 1st bike and thank you for helping with my decision
Bought my 09 Softail Custom because it looked cool and talked to me. Have bags, detachable windshield and rear fender luggage rack. With the bags and windshield on she is Touring Bike. Has most comfortable seat HD ever put on a bike. Ride Safe
When in doubt use the fitment guide on the HD site..... for factory parts.
I've noticed looking through the catalogue that the more you pay for the bike the more options you have. With a 1200 sportster you have limited options and about 20 pages of mostly gingerbread items in a Harley catalogue, but if you have a streetglide you can choose from 20 different types of wheels and have 100 pages with custom accessories out the wazoo. I got the electraglide standard so my budget is the only limiting factor. I wanted the batwing but don't need a radio, so I'll do passing lamps, handlebars, hand grips, pipes, and a passenger seat and foot pegs and call it good.
Great vlog John. Yes I notice that looking at Harley’s website the other day. I think Harley put the Heritage there is because of a shorter rider who would have problems with a Road King SGS and above. You have proved that with your Heritage tour pack five gallon tank etc., plus you can go on a trip on the Highway and be comfortable. I also have Heritage great bike and Im 5 11 Be Cool and Ride Safe🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🏍
I have always called the touring bikes full size frames. I need to learn the letter designation for each bike. It can simply things actually. Thanks for taking the time to bring up the subject.
Love seeing you back in the grove, great video.
Thank you for making this video Harley Tech!! It freaked me out when I didn’t see the Heritage on their new page. Then I was confused when I found it in the touring group. It almost looks like they messed up on the layout.
I think the same can be said about the Sport Glide it's also a soft tail that can be seen as a touring bike from HD. It's another Swiss Army knife from HD with a tour pack and a high shield it's a perfect bike for touring plus it's more fun in town and round the twists
I got a 2014 it’s nice but that year ain’t no touring model . I wish it was . Glad to see you back on . The people that bought Chattahoochee Harley how’s that working out now?
Here's my experience in owning both in the last two years. I actually traded in my 2018 Heritage Classic after 14,000 miles in one year on it with the Hammock Seat, Tour Pack, large windscreen, wind deflectors, etc. I replaced it with a 2019 1/2 Electra Glide Standard which I brought up to Limited including the Tour Pack, the Hammock dual seat, passenger foot pegs, all available wind and heat deflectors but MINUS the radio, speakers, etc, because I use maps, radio/music, weather, etc., all through BlueTooth into my helmet. The lack of the weight in the batwing fairing is very helpful in lowspeed maneuvering! Why would I make this change if the Heritage was a tourer? The BIGGEST reason was performance on the interstate in terms of noise (engine and wind) and vibration above 65 mph, all of which is almost absent on the Electra Glide. For me, at 72 years or age and 54 years of motorcycle riding on over two dozen types of motorcycles, the Electra Glide is a far superior interstate tourer. Having the instrumentation up near the line of sight is super important to me in avoiding tickets and staying safer. The Heritage Classic was fine on a couple of tours between 1000-1500 miles that I took all on state and county roads below 65 mph. It was BETTER in rear suspension performance by a mile compared to the extremely limited rear suspension of the Electra Glide. The difference is very notable when riding dual around town with rougher roads, holes, etc. with them loaded comparably. Conversely, on the interstate with a passenger and properly loaded set of saddlebags and Tour Pack with the pre-load moved up properly, it felt less stable than the Electra Glide does in cross winds and truck turbulence, neither of which bother my similarly configured and loaded Electra Glide. It felt like the frame based weight distribution was contributing to this less stable Heritage feeling when loaded (properly)--a lighter front end feeling that does not occur on the Electra Glide. So certainly the Heritage served me well for my year's worth of touring, but the Electra Glide is a far superior experience (except for the rear suspension performance).
So you seem like someone with a lot of experience on a motorcycle. I've owned A Suzuki 450 for 10 years. I am thinking about getting a motorcycle after taking a break from it for 30 years. I am interested in either the heritage or the road King. I don't plan to go on long tours. I would commute on it for about 20 minutes to work each day.
I am 6 ft 2 in tall and 230 lb. Could you help me explore the differences or considerations between the heritage and the road King and the electra glife. I like the idea of the electra with the fairing. I want comfort wind protection but not necessarily a big bulky tour look or feel around town. Is that even a concern?
Maybe because of my size I need to consider a touring bike. I do need to test drive the motorcycles I know but was just looking for some comments before I do that. I would mostly drive solo and think the heritage would be a good option. maybe I am also just asking can I figure rider find comfort on a heritage or would that purchase be regrettable. Thank you.
Literally just had this conversation with my dealership yesterday. I went up to ask if since it's in the touring line now, could I get the 131 put on a Heritage when I buy this fall. The answer is no. I was told that because it is still the Softail frame the 131 wouldn't fit/ Harley's warranty wouldn't cover it even if I could get it to fit.
To which I responded in true Monty Python fashion: "Very well. You make me sad."
Just go to Fuel Moto!
Tommy Arnold blockhead just went to dealership to test ride it, they told him they could put it in the softail frame
🤔I was under the impression that it would go in any 114? Funny how you can't just get it fitted from the factory (the 131) NO you have to buy the 114 then take the motor out spend like ANOTHER $6,500 and end up with.a brand new 114 Paperweight!💩
@@vetta17 I saw that video too. He didn't say that it would fit. He said he saw no reason why it wouldn't. But that's beside the point. If Harley won't cover it on the warranty, then there's no point to squeezing it onto the frame. I would imagine the 2021 models will have a slight deviation in the motor cavity of the Softail frame to ensure the 131 has the proper spacing Harley wants, and then it will be available. Right before the 140 comes out...😤
See that’s interesting because Blockhead just released a video where his dealership told him they could put that engine on his FXDR which is the same frame
I saw that too. It was between the Heritage and SportGlide. I liked them both. Thank you for all the informational give to us. Ride safe
This Old Grey Beard thinks.....If it ain’t an FLH, it ain’t touring.
This is what I'm talking about.
@@toddsmith6751 what are you talking about ??
@@PAULY-P well that's just not true. I turned my sporster 06 into a tour bike. Any bike can he a touring bike
@@Legendairy_Angel94
In that respect yes but did you change the frame, driveline, size tires, shocks, dual front brakes, wider front end, etc? Even a softail can get fatiguing on the interstate with someone on back for hrs of bad roads. I do have friends on sportys, yamaha r1 fitted with bags, seat etc that travel coast to coast twice a yr and they say their next bike will be a bigger (more weight for the rd) planted, nimble bike. I myself cant ride anything less than a softail or dyna these days. Not for long haul. I know it can be done but not comfortably. There's a difference between a "touring" model and a bike you can possibly tour on. They are not "created" equal.
@@PAULY-P I never said it was comfortable lmao I know the word touring is synonymous with the word comfort. But it shouldnt be
Been touring on my ‘05 heritage since new. Last summer I sold my ‘04 RoadGlide. I’m a smaller guy I always referred to the RoadGlide as “The Moose”. Yes it was great on the road but get in a parking lot or gravel and it was a MFer. Backing was unbelievable so I never felt confident on the RG. Last summer I went on a 4 state ride and yes the Heritage a challenge to pack next to the RG but even fully loaded it is easier to handle.
I checked the site and this is not the only change. They changed the concept of categorizing the bikes.
So street and sportster is now under section street, then we have electric, then the cruiser section with no changes apart Heritage which is now under Touring category.
So now they like stating the intention of the bike rather than the specs maybe in the view of the new upcoming bikes having different frames and engines.
I foresee the adventure category to be added with the Pan America.
Thanks John another solid video. I see your point and see where this could cause some problems for people. I wonder what they are thinking.
thinking ? that's making a big assumption .
They’re not. I’m wondering if they did this to claim the touring line prices start lower than they were before they moved this model under the touring line.
I still want a Softail Slim S Army Edition 🤙🏼🤤
Web designer to Harley corporate boss, "We have too many Softtail models to fit into the product template under 'Softtails,' what do you want me to do?"
Harley corporate boss, "I dunno. You're the Web guy, you figure it out."
😂
I asked my dealership parts department this as well. They said Heritage is a FL, back in the 80's was FL, it's a touring due to bags and foot boards. insurance for years considered it a touring for cheaper insurance. So... yes its a softail frame but depending whom you ask you might get a different answer.
Asking facebook or any social media platform for advice on your bike is like asking which S.T.D. is better.
I tour with my softail deuce, but I definitely wouldn't consider it a touring bike. Thats what Ultras are for. You need that cruise control and nicer seat.
Dual calipers, more shock, the frame, drive line, etc. The added weight takes potholes and interstate riding with a passenger much better too.
I agree, it is not in the touring lineup, completely different frame, parts etc. must be a marketing strategy to sell more Heritage motorcycles, since everyone wants a touring bike these days.
Exactly! Or the web designer messed up real bad.
Very good points John, thank you for explaining the differences.
I agree! You really have to research your model. My example: in 2000 HD started using sealed wheel bearings (yup , welcome to y2k) so your 1999 Dyna needs to have it's wheel bearings periodically repacked while the 2000 dyna does not.
Done alot of cross country touring on my 1987 FLSTC...In 87 thought I was two young to get a ole man dresser...lol... still got it still love it... but my FLHTCU is now first trips...course some say I am an ole man now...lol...
Glad to see you putting out more videos, always enjoy them.
Hey you featured my comment!! lol
Um, technically....
I've had the Road King, Dyna, Road Glide and Heritage Classic....I keep going back to the Heritage Classic.
Both the Road King and Heritage have the larger view looking forward. I like the Road King, mainly because of the headlight cowling.
Dual front disk brakes are better
I know its preference but may ask why I've had the RK and RG and now I have 2015 Softail deluxe and think about the RKs I just couldn't find the one fits me I have rheumatoid but still want to tour and only on 2 wheels
@@kevincraig8257 I have the RK Special and the one complaint I had was the handlebars. I since switched them and it is a great improvement.
Kevin Craig so do plus copd. Had them all, the EG was too much Tupperware in and around me. Even had the trike, that’s all upper body work to control. The RK and dyna was my favorite now I have a New fat boy. With two on this bike you notice that you only have a single and not dual brake up front in some situations.
I always learn something new in your videos, Thanks John. I love my Softail Heritage Classic.
you are very correct you sure can tour with it. mine is great. another thing is extended warranty. they don't charge the same amount for softail vs touring. I am getting the extended next month and they had better not increase it from what they quoted uggggh. we shall see.
When I ride a a Heritage I feel like I sit down in it deeper than my roadglide, I just like bigger frame bikes the best, especially two up. Love them all though.
I was brought up on Electra Glides. My parents used to travel back and forth to Florida from New York. I currently ride a 2000Heritage Classic. My 1st Softail. I love the ride. It is not fast, so I won't travel on the highway. I travel locally. I consider it a weekender. Harley is BSing its customers because they think the new generation of riders are unable to make the distinction. Somebody at HD needs to go.
HD Canada website still has the Softail Heritage Classic in the Softail section only. HD has been updating their websites and making a few tweaks and changes in the last few days or so..... Maybe some website content designer working on the websites messed up as the closest they have ever got to a bike is looking at one on a screen LOL..
If HD defines the Heritage as a touring bike (which it is from a touring perspetive), then I suggest by the same definition, it should also include the Sportsglide as it to comes with saddlebags and a faring, although I also suggest after market fairings like Memphis Shades would have better wind protection than the HD stock offering, which was in my mind clearly designed with a greater bias on looks rather than functionality.
John, you ROCK. Keep up the good work.
Glad your back John
Forgive my overuse of DUH while watching this video.
Enjoyed it!
Hooah!
Your right!! 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for the shout-out!
Agreed, MOCO should keep the Heritage as a Softtail.
Good point. Didn't know about the neck and frame being different
Oh yeah, frames are so much better on a touring. Plus the added rotor up front for braking.
I love my 07 Nightster....... But, since it is on the smaller side, most all other Harley's are like touring bikes to me. 😂
Oh boy this is gonna mess up some Ebay listings! Lol yes this will fit your touring softail classic mega super cool heritage bagger glide
So after being a life long Harley owner, 86 Sporty, a little break to raise kids, 07 dyna, 09 street glide, 16 ultra, 20 ultra the motor company has received a lot of my money in bikes, service, accessories. I found myself looking at a 20 Goldwing. My 20 ultra has now been in the shop for over 15 days for a leaking rear left shock, a 1” lower shock (basically a street glide shock). Parts and accessories purchased in the deal and installed by the dealership prior to taking delivery. First delay? Harley kicks out the replacement shock and ships the original shock that came on the bike. Delay 2 ? Uhm you may have to pay labor because the parts department didn’t order a lowering kit verses two 2020 street glide shocks. Uhm no, not paying that, check your shit, it is covered under MFG warranty, uhm okay, your are correct it is covered because we did order it, install it, and we did do that in the original purchase contract, thank you for making me make multiple phone calls and a trip to the dealership to straighten this out. Now as of today, still waiting for that one street glide shock to come in. Back to the original why I was looking at the Goldwing, well probably just dreaming about a motorcycle that functions. I just want to know why is a brand new bike with less 1k on the odometer in the shop for two weeks for a leaking shock? And it hasn’t only been this bike, please keep in mind my bikes have been regularly serviced. There has been a trend, the 09 leaked oil from the engine to the primary, happened a lot on the 2006 96”, $900.00 repair on a bike with14k miles, did Harley do a recall, nope fixed them on a as needed basis when they came in. 2016 ultra, gas cap recall, hydraulic clutch recall, all before 2k and the the water pump paid for by ESP at 10k, I hope the motor company lasts forever, it is an icon, but I believe she is feeling the heat from her competitors and all these little things are why. That is all.
If it makes you feel any better, I’ve read a comment that the new Gold Wings have had some teething issues with electronics and that new transmission. I know they had some frame cracking problem back in the 90’s.
They are a great bike but nothing is perfect.
You are on point! And I'm not just talking about the Heritage.
Always good info John,,,,,if you come to Daytona this March, I'll be working the AMA booth (at the track) a couple days, stop by!
Joe Zednick
Ocala Fl.
Ya, fitment confusion for add-ons, even within the softail line can kinda suck. Just muddles it up even more to advertise the Heritage in the touring line up. Of course if you can weld or know someone who can... everything fits. Skol!
My thoughts (not sure if this was said already):
The categories are “cruisers” vs “touring”, not softail vs touring. Seems like it means the application of the bike more than the frame (since bags etc on heritage). I think it would be much less confusing to have the bikes listed by frame not application for the reasons you mentioned. But I don’t think it was an accident, just a misguided idea.
Imagine that, Harley messed something up....
Like you, i'm dumb founded to.
I agree.... That wouldn't be the first time! 😁
Just had a tire mounted on my front ( Dunlop). I noticed right away that the blue dot was not mounted at the valve stem. Not all Dunlops come with dot, just the ones with a light spot to indicate how to mount in relationship to the stem. They had never heard of that. How do they charge $99 an hour and not know how to mount a tire. PS. I've worked in a tire shop and did check the website.
Good for you to notice that. Just because a guy works at a dealer, or even has the WyoTech training, doesn't mean he know everything. So many people assume HD techs are gods. Same thing applies to car/truck dealerships. All vechicle places are hurting to find good help, and they are very very lucky when do they do find the "best of the best". But most the mechanics are far from that. There's 5 total dimwits for every one John Maxwell you find turning a wrench, unfortunately.
While I know some customers use them as touring and maybe I’m just old but a touring bike needs to be in the touring family and I can’t argue against your point one bit actually made way better than I could
I guess I was going to try to say while I could tour on a heritage also but it’s just not a touring bike the forks yes the rear suspension unless they have made softails with touring suspension in the rear also but I haven’t worked for a dealership in several years so I could be wrong maybe you can set up the softail suspension differently now. Are all the big twins 6 gal tanks too ?
Keep it up don't burn out it happens HOG Chapters are good but people sometimes over load , Take it slow and enjoyment of the Chapter and people and the Riding, Do what you can at your pace . I like you keep it up live long and Harley Davison that's it for me .
So not only did H-D list the Heritage Softail as a "touring" model, they renamed all the softails as "Cruisers". The first line of the description of the Heritage "touring model" is "The quintessential American cruiser." So why is it not listed with all the other softail Cruisers? I hope I cleared this up for everybody!
Hey John long time watcher and big fan what what you do on here keep it up! Recently bought a 19 Street glide with the 107 and I'm looking at putting stage one on it. I was wondering if you'd seen any additional performance from doing the S.E high flow exhaust with super tuner pro vs just the mufflers and pro street tuner? Alot of extra money but thinking I may go with stage 2 or 3 later down the road.
As much as I enjoy your videos and when you ride on the country roads and chat, I personally think a video like this in traffic is cutting your concentration in half. Those big metal machines all around you are magnets for destruction.(they sure as heck arent paying too much attention) Keep yourself safe and as always the shiney side up!
In my opinion, the motor company is out of touch with what their constituents want. In addition, as a mechanic and shop owner i haven't been happy with them for twenty years. Quality goes down as prices go up, and they get more snotty
Agreed, not a fan of the Honda sounding scissor gear of the M8s. Ill keep my 09 SG and 96' Fatboy. I think Harley is freaking out over the competition. Plus the website designer probably f*cked up. Either that or Harley is trying to justify their high prices on their softails or should i say hard tails lol. Ill probably be a die hare Harley guy for life, its a love/hate relationship for me. Wish they were more reliable. I may one day check out the Indian if they get more dealerships out there.
I met the manager of Buffalo Wild Wings in Tifton GA. He knew you he just moved from Albany to Tifton. I had on one of your dealer T-shirt
And sportsters are listed under "Street"
2:45 "Squirrel"
I don't know, but whatever kind of bike you are riding and if you are touring the countryside with it, then it's got to be a touring bike,💯✌️😎
Yep my buddy takes his Yamaha R1 rocket coast to coast. Also have a sportster with us. Guess that makes them touring bikes. 🤨
@@PAULY-P yeppers it sure does, I know a guy that came from California to Missouri and bought a little Rebel 250 Honda and rode it all the way back to California, so it really doesn't matter, 💯✌️😎
@@OZARKSHDRIDERS
All bikes should be classified as touring then lol. Just throw a bag on it and your good👍
@@PAULY-P 👍
Based on what I can find it seems like the move was when the challenger came out or close to it. Indian having that muscle touring bike and by slipping the heritage in they have one that can compete with it. Both monoshock, performance oriented v twin with a big motor
John Maxwell its good to see you back doing some vids. What are the bars you have on your bike? I was thinking of doing the HD Chizeled Lo on my 17 Road Glide until I went into Legacy HD, my local dealer in Effingham, IL and they showed me the new HD Fused Lo bars that just came out, and now Iam going that direction, just waiting on the call for them to schedule my bike in. What's your take on them? Have you seen them yet? Installed any yet?
Good to see you back in the saddle
I have a 02 FLSTC like new with 31 K on it and I would trade it today for a comparable Evo. I have my 01 road King for sale now I have a 72 FLH all factory and I love it and can work on it myself. I am done with new Harley Davidson's they are designed so an old home garage mechanic like me can't work on them.
That is why aftermarket parts are so popular. Aftermarket parts sometimes are more a universal fit.
Ty mate and I agree
Now that it's out in the open.... The fact the 30th Anniversary Fatboy uses black washers on the upper fork bracket but still uses silver hardware annoys me... a lot..
I will guild you.. keep the greatness coming love your channel man
Well, I'll be damned! I didn't even notice, when I was on Harley's website yesterday looking at the differences between the Lowrider S and the Fat Bob! So I had to log back on check it out after watching your video. I guess I'm of two minds about it. I know what you're saying about the frame, but I can also see it in Harley's eyes too I guess. It was weird that I didn't pick up on it yesterday.
Thanks JM.
I think they got it wrong. They have done this in the past on other bikes. For example I have a 2009 Road Glide CVO. Went to swap out the grips and the parts guy at the Harley dealership only heard 2009 Road Glide or he didn't know that the CVO has the fly by wire throttle. So I had the same thing were I got the wrong grip and had to return them to get the correct one. I have also since learned that the fairing on the CVO doesn't use the same mounts to the crash bar as the other versions. The mount is just a little shorter to get the fairing down a little bit. Found this out trying to add lowers and they didn't fit cause they hit the fairing. I think Harley has the same problem all companies have, the designers and engineers create something a certain way and marketing and sales treat it a different way. I think that is what happened here. Marketing is probably trying to move all the bikes with saddle bags to be called touring.
Haynes manuals are cheap, and they have the specs broken down by year/model. Also thanks John Maxwell, now I want Krystal's and the closet one to me is a 10 hour drive 🤬 Keep up the good work! And please let us know when the Bronx will drop, if you can.
I got a 09 road king y is my chrome pipes blue I know from being hot but is it because of tuning
What is the best way or recommend way to secure your bike when using a front wheel chalk system to transport your bike in a toy hauler
i spent almost 40 years in the Harley World, started taking out the Trash and cleaning the bathrooms at a Harley-Davidson/Yamaha dealer in 1973, and retired in 2010 (health) a dealer Service Manager and Ast GM and thru most of my career the Harley Letter designations made Sense and were Easy to Explain and if you Followed it you knew what you had, a little after i Retired Harley changed and the Letter Designations meant NOTHING and they have from what i can see no reason to even exist, That being Said, the OLD Letter Designation the Heritage was an FLSTC meaning FL for Touring Front End ST for Softail, C for Classic = Heritage Softail, ~ FLSTF the Fatboy FL for Touring Front End, ST for Softail, F for fatboy ~ the FLSTN the Nostalgia (the bike everyone wrongly calls the Deluxe) Again FL for Touring Front End, ST for Softail, N for Nostalgia These were the Touring Softails...........Then you Had the FXSTC the Softail Custom, FX meant Sport Front End (19" or 21") ST for Softail and C for Custom Etc Etc Etc but the NEW no meaning designations i could understand where you might be confused, part of why i sold my harley's and went to a goldwing like the new heritage in this video fake plastic bags, no sissybar WEIRD feeling handlebars and a harsh feeling Yamaha styled frame and total confusion because some moron in Milwaukee screwed with the best system in the industry the letter designations
I have been into touring long distance for a long time and my view
of a touring bike is lots of storage upright seating with a full front
coverage of the rider. A friend of mine has a Heritage and does long
trips with it like a touring. Its low for her has a great seating
position great for long distance for sure. But a touring bike
it is not tho.
I’m not sure I’d buy a accessory based on which part of the web site the bike was shown. I’d always check the fitment in the catalogue or website. Grouping them by frame type could be confusing to a newcomer as well. When I started I had no idea what a Dyna was there, seemed to be lots of different bikes called Dyna. Just like Softail today. Grouping them by function (sort of) seems easier for nubies. Even that has problems, where would you put the SportGlide? Under Sports or Cruiser.
I agree, I do wonder if it was a mistake. Be sure to let us know.
Hey John!! Keep up on the great content!!! BTW I love my "15" 103 H.O Fxdwg.... Next bike is either the Heritage or a Street glide. But time will tell .
🤘⚡️🤘I still think the heritage is the best bang for the buck in the line up!
Hey John probably not much interest in this outside of a few of us. But, I'd love to see a video of you removing and reinstalling the trunk (body) on a Freewheeler.
What is the driver back rest you are using?
I agree with you sooner or later somebody’s going to buy a heritage thinking it has the touring frame
Heritage is a tourer if you make it such I have toured on much less...you just gotta want to go and somehow strap on your gear! Of course with my druthers the big bikes fit me better. And price wise I see I got quite a bit of choice!
Well damn, learning something new everyday. 👍 John! Hmm they should make a dirty thumb up emoji..🤔
hi john, i have a 13 heritage ultra classic, with the 103 engine, w/ the wide white walls, git a lot of comments on it, it runs great and has all the guts i need. comment on the 20 heritage it could use the shiney studs on the seat and saddel bags
The Heritage is a very capable and beautiful bike. In my mind, the only thing keeping it from being a true touring bike is dual front disc brakes. The more you pack on a bike the more braking you need to stop it. That all being said, the Heritage is still the best Harley Davidson for the buck.
The Heritage is still under Softail on the UK site. The US website looks like it has been completely refreshed so no doubt they’ll eventually screw the UK one up as well.