RESPONDING TO "21 REASONS IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE CHURCH IS TRUE"
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Videos are so long
And soooo good!
"Coffee is making me more white and delightsome." Gasp!
sorry for all the comments lol but i found this on twitter and thought it was hilarious: "In the future, so many young Mormons won't ever learn the LDS Church's real history. They'll be told the church pioneered LGBT rights."
theatergirl713 so true
I thought LDS started LBBFFGT rights and instigated acceptance
@sher hansen
Church leaders (like Oaks & The Boys) are both obsessed with and fixated on being "pioneers of everything"; when, in fact, they are "pioneers of nothing".
(Do you realize that people who are fleeing are not pioneers, at all, but refugees? Can you imagine Syrians reaching a place of refuge and then claiming, suddenly, to be pioneers? I don't think that kind of thinking happens...outside of Utah!)
Church started the Civil Rights movement too. In fact, Jos. Smith was BLACK!
@@jedimormon7138 Gaslight much?
"the best bible fanfiction you've ever read" hahahahhahahah
I literally laughed out loud when I read this comment.
As a vegetarian exMormon I can say that I'm healthier, stronger and HAPPIER! I try to tell the Mormons about the whole "eat meat sparingly" and they come up with stupid excuses why it's okay to go against their own scriptures like "muh protein", "plants have feelings" or "I like meat too much". So, why should I follow your religion if you can't even follow your scriptures?
boom
Nathan Wright exactly!!! I always try explaining to the members why a "loving Heavenly Father " wouldn't put animals here to suffer, but bacon though. Am I right.
@Celestial Celeste
Of course, pigs are in "hog heaven" when they are alive, on a pig farm. They eat very well! They don't have to scavenge or forage for food; and, they have no fear of predators.
(When it comes time to butcher those pigs, they blissfully go through the slaughterhouse, with no fear or realization that they will soon become somebody's breakfast sausage (or bacon).
No suffering there!
Of course, God (anciently) said "no pork".
God (to Mormons) said, "eat meat sparingly".
Mormons NEED a "punishment affixed to their commandments". (If there isn't a specific consequence attached to it, the people just go and do their own thing. And, the Church exists to do what, exactly?)
Around the 1950s, the church went into the cattle-ranching business and became the largest cattle-ranchers if he U.S. and for a brief period the largest ranchers in the world. Prophets and leaders used to preach to not eat meat before this time but stopped after this money-making venture. If they went into the coffee bean business, then coffee wouldn’t be part of the WofW.
*in the US
This entire video is gold. I wish I’d seen something like this before I decided to join. It would have saved me a lot of trouble and distress. What’s done is done now, I can’t change it, but I can grow from it and move on and try and fix the mess it created in me.
Mormon culture is toxic!I'm in the process of leaving the church,as I'm not 18 (apparently I'm not competent to make my own decisions on my belief regarding the church) In the words of my parents "we encourage you to go to church,as we want the best for you".Yet if I chose the alternative,love and compassion is restricted.Being in the lds church is bloody intense! It strips you of who you are,and feeds you with what you 'need to be,in ordering to be happy' It's emotional bondage.
That sucks! You're right, it's a psychological prison!
Yet you were competent to make your own decision at the age of 8 to be baptised? I remember everyone congratulating me on my baptism and all I could say was "you're welcome".
Your parents have no shame about their only real skill being blunt emotional manipulation. It's what they were taught. You get to see it and surpass it in your own personal evolution. A situation for cultivating patience and personal grace. Usually by the time a person reaches their 30's the roles of parent and child switch- the child as an adult realises they have to compassionately compensate for their parents inabilities and shortcomings by eliminating arguments and bickering and simplifying what is presented to them. They want to fight and withhold compassion because they are emotionally and psychologically adolescent. Go easy on them but be aware that they might figure out what you are doing and that could make things worse, so just taper it off a little at a time, on the sly. freedom is around the corner : )
They get weird because they love you and fear for your well being...you know that already
So....... at 8 you were mentally competent, and committed to baptism. Now, you're not mentally competent enough to leave. Manipulation at it's best. Sorry to hear that you are struggling with misbehaving adults.
@Zelph On the Shelf, If it's true that the LDS church has spent more on that mall than on humanitarian aid-it's sickening. I was always taught that the majority of tithing and other church donations were used to "run" the church and help those in need. It's pathetic. I'm currently disfellowshipped (not going back anyway) and I am literally not allowed participate in anything at church. They said I can't pray at church, even raise my hand to comment during a lesson, have a church calling, sustain people (basically pretend "voting" at church), etc... You know, because they love me right? But, I'm a vile sinner and not worthy to participate at church... But, you know what they still encourage me to do? Pay my mother f--king tithing.
Ryan Kent Rght that stops now if they kick say You disfellowed me why should I pay for something m not allowed to participate in, good luck.
Ryan Kent Tell them where to go regarding that, why should they have your money when your not allowed to do anything else, good luck.
Ryan Kent obviously the church needs your money bc 100 billion dollars is not enough for them.
Ryan Kent tell them where to shove that payment it stays in your account or goes on you, your home ect.
I know this is years late, but as to the topic of Mormons trying to preserve their heritage is very much true. of white Mormons.
in my experience as a POC, my connection to my non-white heritage was completely smothered until I fought my way out of the church. the same thing happens to multiple other members of color.
I knew a Maori girl who was shamed for getting a traditional tattoo that was very important to her culture. a lot of African members I've met were told off for not acting American enough. and then their attitude towards Indigenous Americans! it's worse than squashing their culture, they try to actively rewrite their history.
Prozac has made Utah the healthiest place on earth.
@Caleb
...as long as they KEEP TAKING their prozac!
Caleb True, other than Prozac they love inhaling OxyContin.
Ikr
@@kennethd.9436 Where do they get the Oxy? Is the church shipping it in from Mexico? Are the housewives secretly dealing on the side? There was one Mormon mommy vlogger who got plastic surgery and she was flying high for the better part of a year. Her surgeon wasn't even in state, so I was trying to figure out where the supply was coming from. As a chronic pain patient, I can tell you the rest of the country is locked up tight on any opioid RXs.
"in the church, you don't have to believe anything that isn't true"
requires you to profess a belief that Joseph Smith was a prophet before you can get a reccomend
Also, can you get a Temple Reccommend if you answer honestly that you don't believe the core tenants?
i remember having to answer that temple recommend question about affiliating with people who go against church teachings a few months ago. i was like "...myself?"
Ha! Most Utah Mormons should have their temple recommends cancelled because they voted for Trump and his cohorts. We know this isn't going to happen because of the Lying, hypocritical and ability to rewrite their creed and Jesus' Gospel (Proclamation on the Family was written/created just so they would have a creed to add to the amicus briefs when they were fighting same-sex marriage in Hawaii in 1996). fox13now.com/2016/11/15/embattled-trump-appointee-also-insulted-mormons/www.the-exponent.com/guest-post-the-benevolent-patriarchy-a-letter-to-my-mormon-dad-who-voted-for-donald-trump/www.sltrib.com/opinion/4585275-155/op-ed-should-mormons-who-voted-for
Thomas Moore Yep. I was disappointed but not surprised when Utah elected trump
I laughed when I saw Ed McMullin on The Circus tell his supporters that he knows how to spot a con man. Ironic on so many levels.
I voted for Evan McMuffin.
Literally me 😂
Church members are happier than others?😂 Definitely 100% happier after leaving the church. Also, if you go to any family ward outside of Utah, you can see the misery on everyone's face- especially the mothers of several children.
Well, there's always the few who would soon be put in the 'crazy' category and feel they are 'living the dream;' however, more often that not it's those same parents with an inordinate amount of children who tend to cut corners on their duties and work the system. SAD.
Kyle Olsen Did you serve in Italy? my husband served with a Kyle Olsen wondering I'f your the same guy 😜. I can't speak for my husband and the first few months leaving the church were tough but now it's been a while that cult mindset has somewhat worn off and I'm way happier outside the church too! The happiest I've been in my life actually. At the end of the day a hope in something false is still false so why keep it up just get on with it and enjoy life and study things that actually matter and make a difference to the real world.
@Kyle Olsen
Let's see. Happier "before" or "after" they have taken their blue pill?
2nd highest suicide rate in the US i think
Truth be told
I think Mormons do love their church more than God, and that's why they become so irrational trying to explain the huge contradictions. I realize most people reading this don't believe in God, but I do have faith that we were created by a perfectly moral God, and if God was truly behind Mormonism, then God would not be perfectly Moral. So that is why I left. I want to stand for truth, not stand for lies because it's a prosperous organization that tries so hard to look perfect on the outside, but on the inside are full of dead men's bones.
The MBROO well said!
When I joined the church as a teen, they seemed to honor and glorify abusive mothers.
"Everyone can be efficient when they're not paying their workers."
That was really reminiscent of the Hamilton line "Yeah keep ranting; we know who's really doing the planting."
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I became healthier after leaving the church too. Once I took of those shorts I wore as underwear I saw how much cellulite I had and started working out more. I'm by no means toned yet but I can actually SEE my body now.
@Kristen Pierson
You took off those shorts? Oh, you mean "temple shorts". Now I get it!
Bahaha this made me LOL
I've heard it said that whatever is good about the church is not unique and whatever is unique about the church is not good.
And about that public speaking point, really what I think it teaches is to interpret one's stage fright as a sign of feeling the spirit. It's a redirection of one's rationale behind the anxiety of public attention.
The apologists, nowadays, seem to be grasping at straws, a lot.
A thousand thumbs up! ALL of those points mattered to me, growing up in the church, and coincidentally, most of them drove me away. So, way to go, TSCC!
I was in the church 2 years and never had a home teacher visit me and when I left only one family (husband and wife) actually contacted me to see if I was ok and wanted to stay in touch. I didn't inform people I was leaving, I just stopped going. Really think the church needs to rethink their statement
I love Tanner's laugh. It makes me so happy!
I’m so glad you mentioned the book 1984! Everyone should read it
You might be a Mormon if...
you have ever used the phrase "with every fiber of my being."
bethany barter Hey don't I know you?!
@bethany barter
That's funny! When I go and buy bread, I look to see that it has fiber: so, I can add fiber to my being!
With all the fiber I ate this morning...
Without a shadow of a doubt
imagine if you will, a time when a mormon could have his throat slit from ear to ear and his blood drained out to atone for his own sins.
imagine a time in utah, (circa 1847) when fast and testimony meeting was followed by the blood atoning ceremony.
it was a particularly grizzly fast and testimony meeting today. 5 people were blood atoned today after meeting. from a diary read by thelma geer, direct descendant of john d lee mormon assassin and blood atoner for brigham young and joseph smith
if you thought there was a chance for a last moment stay of execution, you would be saying something similar at fast and testimony.
knowing with every fiber of my being is a hold over from the days of brigham young
they would sing the song who's on the lord's side who? have a very sincere fast and testimony meeting under careful scrutiny of the bishop and his counselors, and then it was off to the blood atoning.
one thing you could be blood atoned for, is having sex outside marriage. usually they just had the two of you get married. but if you had designs on keeping a pretty young girl away from briggy or one of the bretheren, you were definitely treading on thin ice.
If the LDS church were consistent, blacks would still not be able to have the priesthood, polygamy would be practiced (not just in heaven), they would have a temple at the lot in Independence, Missouri, and Jesus would have returned already....
Seriously, thanks for these videos! It's super helpful for me. And I love your sense of humor!
God bless you people, you make my Sunday's so much better :)
This week in my BYUI family theories class we had guest speakers who spoke about the husband's pornography addiction (which he admitted he still views occasionally) and sexually molesting girls and going to jail... And the wife was so proud that she stayed with him. I was SO ANGRY. This is what the church breads... Loosing your life and happiness for "GOD." Who in their right fucking mind would invite a woman to speak about staying with a CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTER.
Holy shit. What the????
@@ZelphOntheShelf I can't contain how outraged I am. The speakers were Lauren and Daniel Christian Joshnson, registered sex offenender from twin falls Idaho. I love your videos thank you so much!♥️
That's disgusting. Patting herself on the back for staying with someone who may still be doing so, or wants to do so?
the one at 22:14 made me laugh cause downstairs we have a pantry full of random cans of food we never eat
The thing that's ridiculous about BYU is that even my Community College professors do research in their fields of study. BYU needs to figure their shit out.
That’s why I left that school!
I too went to a community college before transferring. It was a sad day when I realized that I was getting a better education at CC than I did at BYU -I😅
Whatever the "true Church" is (we can argue about it all day) the LDS " church" isn't it. It's not even a proper church. No proper church would tell you what underwear you had to wear!
How did I just learn that coffee is making my vitiligo worse. I now know why my skin is basically translucent.
The article mentions the church's "financial stability" in the bit about being prepared for a rainy day like the church would dip into their funds to help out regular members in the event of a disaster.
I still love that this writer (barely) bragged that the Church collects tithes from members and then force them (you should never turn down a calling) to work for free.
thanks again for making my sabbath day bearable, guys! I love these videos!
Nice fallback position. "OK, OK! Our beliefs are BS, but come be dumb and happy with us!"
Assimilation? The LDS church is sounding more and more like the Borg.
No bishop I've ever had has ever advocated working at food banks
Joseph F Smith hated his mission, lol. Read his journal. He was racist against the Hawians, he couldn't understand why they did not bow down to him and then hanged a cat until it was decapitated.
The whole reddit post should be re-titled: The Foyer Mormon's Manifesto
The ad at the beginning of the video was for Scientology. Like a legit ad to become a Scientologist. I dono if that's like a joke by zelf, or if Scientology is targeting videos of those disenfranchised by their current religion.
UA-cam creators have no say in what AD's get played, so it might just be a sick joke by the Scientologists.
I know this is an older video, but the reason the Mormon church is doing so well is that it invested in the development of the Vegas strip back in the 80's. The church made billions and continue to generate revenue from the gambling, drinking and other non-mormon activities or should I say non-church of jesus christ of latterday saints.
I fell through the cracks while I was in the church . I was homeless after my dad died and I was in college.
I've been giving talks since before I was 12 but I hated it every time but my dad was the Bishop and after that when I was older my parents would always judge people who would say no to a talk so I never felt I could say no. So instead I'd be up there shaking and stuttering
This makes me mad. We don't have any of those poor people, and have middle class people! What a shame! Christ wouldn't have been seen as being someone of value to them. This shows how judgmental they are. No wonder people are killing themselves. If you're poor it's totally seen as an outward representation of an inward deficit. Etc etc etc
1984 was honestly what caused my shelf to crash to the ground. When he ended up loving big brother I realized I had also been convinced BY ME that the church was true.
Also was anyone else put off by the story about the trial with the cat? like isn't killing animals like that kind of a warning sign of other things?
I know someone who I'm currently banned from talking to because I'm gay and her mum is Mormon. They are SO empathetic. I mean, isn't it just the KINDEST to completely ghost me???
:( that’s awful I’m sorry
@@ZelphOntheShelf It's better now. We've been talking a little bit, in secret. I'm not sure how her mum would react, but we have a way to communicate if our current one is cut off.
You guys are great! Keep it up!
Christ, it's like Tanner is a totally new person with his long ass hair.
The moment you not something isn't true is when you have to ask yourself if its true
It matters whether "the church is true" to me! That's a strange phrase to begin with. BTW, they're fond of saying "The Church is perfect, the people are not." Now contradicting that. Which is it?
Do you have any peer-reviewed articles about the Church's finances or lawsuits about finances from reliable sources? ( I know one of my mom's friends growing up in high school was defrauded by Zions National Bank. I think owned by the church? It was about a gold mine in Nevada and he is currently still in a lawsuit against them for it)
I love seeing young people developing ideas/paradigms of life in spite of cultural construct.
Keep it up guys.
Another great vid! Reasons #5 and #7 made me throw up in my mouth a little... haha
I love you Tanner! I love you Sam!
The first specific faith concern I had was when I changed my diet to be any based. I was saddened and confused by how impossible it was so expect any plant based options at church events, let alone be centered in the meal
"Masturbation is good for you. THAT leads to longer life expectancy, you wankers!" Haha.
"Take care of their own" means nepotism
lds church utilizes adhominom attack
Love your videos! Have you considered starting a Patreon account to help support your video creations?
Andy PaTrolls The World. We have a Paypal link on our website! We've toyed with Patreon though, and it's an option. :)
Who else is having a faith crisis in 2021?
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I grew up by Deseret ranch.... the big Mormon ranch in Florida lol my mom used to work for them till they told her she could either raise me and quit or keep working and someone else can raise me. She quit and started working at her college
I know everyone always brings it back to Hitler. But Hitler was a HUGE animal rights activist and spearheaded a lot of the first animal welfare laws.
BUT HITLER.
So he did good. Doesn’t equal an ounce of the evil. It’s not the best argument.
Let's just savor, for a moment, the irony that the sin of drinking coffee is making Tanner's skin more white.
Sorry - but jehovah's witnesses have _everyone_ (that isn't living on a compound) beat as far as end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it preparedness. Who else has a persecution "go" bag?
Hey, guys! Luv U-all! BUT!!....please consider resisting talking over each other. We miss half of what you're saying.
Thanks.
You guys compliment each other well but a bit to much overrunning each other's speech.
💜💜💜 tanner is so cute! 💜💜💜
Are you guys both vegan? You guys have such similar experiences to me and my husband (I know you're not married). I went to BYU-I when you guys were there which is crazy to me. I just found you about 2 weeks ago. Also, are you involved in politics?
Cora Woolley Samantha is and Tanner is half-vegan! ;) (This is Sam, idk why I'm talking in the third person, haha.) I'm pretty into politics and tweet about it a lot @TheSamspo, but it's not something Tanner's that into! Also small world!
I believe the meat industry is similar to the LDS Church. They both exist for the benefit of the elite. I really believe that everyone that engages in the good fight burning the cult down should at least abstain from supporting the cruel industry that supports suffering.
Wait, someone died during his mission work because he couldn't afford insulin? How was he not able to get help from the church for insulin? No, no, no....
Great job Zelf! Justserve was a joke. I thought 90% of church service was profoundly church-centric. There’s a fine line if they count their “service hours” as contributing to community.
What's a "baseball baptism"? I've never heard about that before
I had brother black what a character
We thank thee, oh god, for our profit.
Your Mom had a year supply of Oreo’s 😂😂
I guess they don’t go bad.
I do think they’re right about the connection to history, Mormons do have a huge connection to their history, that can be very helpful for kids.
JS killed a cat?? That’s his worst crime out of all.
Okay. After #8 I’m positive that it’s satire....
Ummmmm, I was raised Mormon in the midwest and I am in no way exaggerating when I say that at least 80% of the (adult) members in my branch were overweight and probably about 60% were clinically obese. Going to ANY church event with food meant a huge dessert section, sugary punch of some kind, and casserole after casserole.
How did everyone skip over the dead, but tithing, diabetic dude?
My dad went to his bishop to ask if it was okay for him to get a fucking vasectomy. Tf
Not Self-aware, "unearned self assurance."
Okinawa Island aka the healthiest place on earth. I think they have more 100 years olds per capita than anywhere on earth. My point is, the Mormon dietary law isn't even close to having the corner market on health. And this is worth mentioning- The Mormon church claims to be the Restoration of Gods true church, yet it has a completely different dietary law than the Bible. Jesus followed His father's instructions perfectly, meaning He didn't eat pork, shell fish etc, because that was Heavenly Father's instructions for His people. Mainstream Christianity interprets scripture that this old law was done away with, which is becoming more debatable as other interpretations are out there that these instructions did not go away with Jesus. For Mormons though, instead of restoring the original dietary law, or adding to it, they come up with a completely different one! RED FLAG! A God who never changes sure changes a lot for Mormons! +zelphontheshelf
I had to stop at 13:57. I don’t know how you weren’t vomiting through the whole thing; how did you hold it together?
Just discover your channel . Would like some confirmation about the LDS worshipping some kind of celestial mother. I recently found that that the LDS has discovered that God had a wife . Apparently they believe because everything on earth is the shadow of what are in heaven including the family structure composing of a father, a mother and the kids; they very resulted Father God has a wife. The wife supposes to be Mother God. Looking forward to hearing from you on this topic.
The only person I've ever known who committed suicide was from my LDS ward.
Do you have a link to the Henry D. Moyle song? And was that a serious hymn in the LDS church, or someone's parody?
Joseph F. Smith held a trial for a cat and executed it. Jesus H. Christ. 🤦♂️
It's giving psychopath!
Re: promotion of education... they know other denominations have associated universities, right? Like, my old denomination (Disciples of Christ, membership ~500,000) founded two universities and at least one other college that I can think of off the top of my head.
nice. enjoyed it.
I’m also not looking for any church 🤚🏼
Responds well to criticism? Ha!
I got in trouble with Rostov Mission president Eric Ottesen, because my Stake President convinced me that my actions won't be against any rules. When I got punished, I said that since I am not a missionary and followed the advice from my stake president, the mission president can't do that. Ottesen asked my stake president if he told me that I can do what I did, but the latter said he never said anything like that. As a result I was punished even more and was called a liar. I was banned from going to YSA Conference and wasn't welcome at most activities. Later I had an interview with my stake president where I asked him if he still believed that what he told me was in harmony with the church rules. Surprisingly, he said 'yes', despite the fact that he knew that I got in trouble for that and he lied to his superiors about it. He even confirmed that what I did was exactly what he told me I could do. Yet, he refused to explain why he lied to the leaders. As soon as our interview was over, I emailed the mission president and reported on the stake president. The next day, I received an email from the mission president, telling me that he had a phone conversation with the stake president and they both believe that I misunderstood stake presidents words. I knew in advance that they will try to gaslight me and convince me that I got everything wrong, so during the interview I had my phone recorder on. I listened to that conversation about 6 times and made a few people, including a language teacher, listen to it. They confirmed that the stake president said what I thought he said. I informed the mission president about the recording and the analysis made by those people. He didn't reply for a month, until I forced him. He said that he doesn't care about evidences and witnesses, because the word of the take president is more important than that. I reported on him to the Area Presidency, but they didn't reply. I happened more than a year ago. Other leaders expressed more concern about the fact that I secretly recorded my leader than the fact that he taught wrong principles, framed another member and lied to his superiors. Now, whenever I say something about it, people just tell me to shut up.
Light Side Paul & Morgan?
1st John 10:10 the devil comes to steal kill and destroy. People who are ex mormons and leave the church loose there faith in jesus christ on a huge scale also the jws who leave loose there faith in jesus christ because there faith was not in jesus christ and in the church and men. That speaks volumes.
people live longer on todays diet than mormon diet
All the "we are good at charity" points seem rather weird to me. Regardless what one thinks of the organisation as a whole, certainly the Roman Catholic Church has to have the LDS Church beat on that front by basically every metric imaginable. At least on paper, the sheer amount of charity work the Vatican does is astounding - Caritas alone is basicaly global. If charity is a major concern of yours, join them - at least if you go tradcath, you get to impress everyone by knowing some basic Latin.... Or join the red cross and pretend you're Swiss maybe, that way you can LARP as rich?
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The same point applies to "financial secrity" aswell. The Bank of Vatican has big boy dollars...
The hair cut whoho
Hey I got vitiligo how did you cure it?
I might disagree with you diet since a purely plant'based diet does have some deficiencies with respect to trace elements and fats. However, a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet is healthy providing it is balanced.
"Masturbation is good for you. That leads to longer life expectancy, you wankers." You mean non-wankers. ;)
It sounds like BYU-I is much more conservative than BYU-P.
"Mormonhub article"
Find single hot shoulders in the Provo area